Looting Edition>Bans (new)https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-december-16-2024>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-scheduleMetagame Mentor: Standard at Magic's Spotlight Serieshttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-standard-at-magics-spotlight-series>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>Previously>>94706476>TQMost recent deck you built/played?
Friendly reminder Aetherdrift will be KINO
>tqselesnya ramp brisela
What are the implications of this
>>94726677Love. The implication is love man. Something we all hope to have someday.
>>94726677Interspecies romance is immoral on Bloomburrow.
>>94726574Dimir Control.
>>94726677There are none.
>>94726677The otter and the toad fuck. Something usual at Bloomburrow
>>94726677That you could get a cute girl too, if you weren't wasting away here.
>>94726574>Most recent deck you built/played?grixis frog twin 4-0'd the shop weekly>2-1 boros energy>2-0 wizard twin>2-1 storm>2-0 oculus frog
>>94726826how did the twin matchup go? I was under the impression that wizard twin with the blue flare was good
>>94726574currently trying to make a dredge deck with pic related work at pio.
>>94726702But who's penetrating who
>>94726878the insidious part of insidious roots is actually a meta joke about how it constantly makes players try to find the brew that breaks it (they never do)
>>94726800>That you could get a cute girl tooWe both know that's not true
How far back does MTG need to revert its rules to make the game not shit? For me it's Sixth Ed rules set.
>want to play modern decks to play with the new format >lol expensiveSame as it ever was
>>94726910Funny. I started with 6E but people have complained about 6E rules changes fucking up Magic in these very threads. I guess "interrupt" is their Shibboleth.
>>94726910Changing the rules back won't remove the FIRE design and the UB.
>>94726800But I want to be the girl
>>94726941proxy everythingor play online, which is what i'm doing since there's no place near i can play paper
>>94726834i spammed thoughtsieze at him and hit him with a frog until he died. turns out you can giga punish flame of anor with 'i make my frog 6 toughness also cast orcish bowmasters while flame is on the stack'.
>>94726910>>94726968No but I would like trample rules to stop changing every time there's a rules update. *grumbles*
dunno what makes me more angry, the fact they took this long to fix standar, or that in 6 months standar will be ruined forever
>>94727976>FixHow did they do that?
>>94727985Foundations
>>94727985by filtering doomers like you
>>94727976In response, I cast This Town Aint Big Enough on this post, returning Stormchaser's Talent to my hand
Aight so since I didn’t make it into the standard 10k tomorrow let me share a word of advice to my fellow red mages: everyone is playing the >>94728036Stormchaser’s talent fotm deck. Sideboard Urubrasks forge and case of the crimson pulse, they beat it.Avenge me bros
Bloomburrow novels now
I want to go back
New MTG Goldfish video was funny.Seth won a match playing hammer time where he kept zero lands and beat his opponent.He also won the modern league.I love hammer time, but I can't afford moxes
my lgs barely does mtg events anymore.not even fnm. they just do saturday commander and once a month we have legacy.
>>94728115just read Redwall. it's better than anything the wotc hacks would write.
how many of you still play paper
Ban Mutavault from Pioneer. This overpowered utility card that has suppressed 3 color decks for too long, and is busted with Unholy Annex. Would also randomly nerf mono W, and desu Thaliafags deserve it.
I miss Duskmourn draft so much. Foundations sucks as a format.
>>94726619How did so many planes discover combustion yet none of them thought to weaponize it
>>94728122Play pre-modern, hit the weights and get a clue.
>$200 for mox opal
I want Delirium to be competitive outside of Modern so much...I want more Delirium after DSK.
>>94728510I'm getting my playset mint scars of mirrodin printing next week. paid $4.
>>94729301
>>94729321If i could make a top deck by less than 500$ i would do the same honestly LUL
When are we going to get more spoilers for Innistrad remastered?
>>94729429Better:Aetherdrift spoilers fucking when?
>>94729452>Aetherdrift spoilers fucking when?You actually looking forward to that set?
>>94729523Unironically yes.
>>94729523Ironically yes.
>>94726574>Most recent deck you built/played?STAX.Also how do I play stax without hurting peoples feelings?
>>94729364Well my point was that you should look for your local print shop, and see what they have to offer. Not pay for chinkshit.
>>94726900The card is retardedly strong, the problem is that decks don't just casually want to do what the card wants to do. It's like if they printed Cranial Plating into Pioneer or something; the cards to break it simply aren't there.
def name creature against sultai because of OBM, right
wait but timewalk is banned in legacy
>>94729644>I cast Time Walk.>Sir, this is a Wendy's.>Resolves? Walk turn
>>94729551>>94729560Shills.
>>94729639i actually just checked his list, you name instant because of 2x assassin's trophy
>>94729671Shill doesn't man what you think it means.
>>94729633The problem is you can't find Roots consistently enough for it to be good. If you take a turn off to Cache Grab for it first, you're already dead vs red, or your opponent will have established some retarded draw engine like Enduring Curiosity/Kaito/Unholy Annex/Caretaker's Talent/Beanstalk that then locks your Scavenging Ooze/Adept/Tyvars out of the game. The deck needs a plan B, like Soul Cauldron, but there's nothing good to pair with it like Priest of the Forgotten Gods in Standard.
>Kibler gets turned 4'd by RDW in back to back games despite playing 2 mana 3/3s and 3 mana reach 4/4sbravo Wizards, why should Green get to block?
>>94729717this is what i was fucking saying in this thread for weeks and some moron was telling me to get good
>>94729717Fuck Green.
>emrakul spiking to 20+ tix on mtgo>when it's literally getting reprinted THIS monthI'm dumping my playset right fucking now
>>94729717Its actually comical how hard green sucks.
>>94729755do it
>>94729429If it was similar to the last remastered set, then spoilers would have been last month. My thinking is on next week. That'll make the reveals be about a couple of weeks before the release, and it'll get that out of the way before the story for Aetherdrift starts on the 10th.>>94729452Might be some in the story, but the official date they start is the 21st.
>>94728410Cannons exist for things like warships. Guns will never exist because the art design director is a total coward
>>94729523It's like a car crash in slow motion: i wanna see it if one happens near me but not participate in it
>>94726619Yeah, on opposite day
Why people understimates Sultai tempo so much? That deck is fucking gas and fuck as fuck.
>>94726574Having a lot of fun with Selesnya Auras lately, playing it even more than my beloved Angels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiln0FZ1y4QFUCK DIMIR
>>94730168I kind of want to shove some of the gun cards into an edh deck.Alaborn Zealot is a decent one drop and I think the best portal card with a gun
>>94730233that's not an auras deck that's a boggles deck
How we can make people to stop playing Red? We need another color just to bully Red into oblivion.
>>94730268What is the difference? All them run Light Paws and Sram and all the auras.
deathtouch shouldn't work against artifact creaturesthey're not alive, they can't 'die' a single poisonous sting from 1/1 Phyrexian Battlefly is not going to have any effect on a giant robot like Depth Charge Colossus!!!!
>>94730294So you want this effect?
>>94730289
>>94730294magic shouldnt have robots in first place.is a magic setting.
>>94730294It's the twelve squirrels conundrum.
>>94730268It's okay buddy, just take your meds now.
new aids just droppedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3licVgG10Qo
>>94728199I have my first cards on the way but no idea when I'll actually get to play. Only store anywhere near me has some of the most insufferable people I've ever met so not a chance in hell I'm gonna learn the game with them
>>94730309What if the robot holds a wand
>>94729569once you are at the level of building stax you can't be worried about anyone's feelings. it's a purely hostile way to play. you suck all the game actions out of the room.
>>94729301i loupe every deck i play against in any sanctioned event.better have a good excuse lined up.
Why wasn't it unbanned?
>shuffle deck, draw a land next>two lands in opening hand, no third land for 5 turns>add new card into deck, draw it in opening hand>opponent is never land-flooded/droughted
>>94730833Really? That shit can't be unbanned before Deathrite Shaman, Rite of Flame, Punishing fire, Jitte and Bridge from BelowWe already have enough Affinity with Opal.
>>94729755probably why it spiked since it will see meta play in the following months
>>94730294I think a lot of cards that target creatures end up being a flavor loss against artifact creatures. Go for the throat being among the dozen cards to care as an excuse to make a cheaper murder is maddening to me.
>>94730833multiple reasonsnondeterministic and eats up a lot of time like eggsextremely cryptic for new players because it abuses very specific timing restrictions involving the process of paying costs while casting a spellit's extremely gay
>>94730833everything shits out tokens today and all tokens are artifacts for some reason today
>>94729847I did a few hours ago got 76 tix for it, I think I originally bought the playset for like 20 tix>>94730868I can understand spiking a little bit, it is posting results, but every reprint set gets drafted to death on MTGO, the innistrad remastered reprint is gonna cost less than 5 tix in a few months
>>94730823>it's a purely hostile way to play.I don't get it? Because Trinisphere affects me too.
>>94730290Auras stack auras on any old creatureBoggles stacks buffs of all kinds on a Hexproof creature that's hard to remove
>>94726878>Golgari card>Selesnya flavor text>horrendous deep fried art (AI?)I'm so happy I stopped playing this shit.
oko steal your informant and mill you out with leyline in play is apparently a thing that can happen
>>94730294Black removal used to not affect Artifacts! #tmyk
>>94730305Is that a fucking gun in my fantasy game?
>>94731249Yeah but that stopped being a thing in 7th, and the game before that isn't really mtg.DARK BANISHING
>>94730294deathtouch is 'magical', it's always disproportional
>>94731123because it stops the game from happening. instead of moving forward you're standing still or moving backwards. progress is replaced with stagnation. it's less exciting and has fewer interesting decisions. I'm an old head so I get it, but I also see why most people don't want to play a game where you don't play the game
>>94726574This game is not about magic anymore.Suck techno dick, nerds.
>>94731293that concept held on a little longer than that, and you have it backwards: only the game before then is really mtg. what comes later is a twisted parody
>>94731215In Legacy I've had people reanimate my spy and mill me without a leyline and give the win because of it.
>>94731256No
>>94729717>eceleb is bad at a gameWoah
>>94731644child
>>947315287th to 10th and <94 are the only times it was really magicAnd nobody plays <94>what comes later is a twisted parodySure, urza block was a bad joke
>>94731644get a load of this newfag
>>94726574Can I get advice on my Merfolk build? I’m new to thishttps://www.topdecked.com/decks/merfolk-tribal/dcad6bc2-e08e-4467-991e-4ecd51b6b526
>>94731662>>94731719Go donate to some more twitch streamers, maybe he'll say your name :)
>>94731719I have one of those. I found it in Hareruya bulk.
>>94731744Is there a reason you went mono blue instead of simic?
How crazy would be a Uro unban considering nowadays powerlevel?
>>94731744go to >>94728464
>>94732014
>>94732010I wonder if Uro in standard could shake up the format to the point black and red wouldn't be the best decks
Why don't WotC just print cards from back when Standard was good???
>>94732080because those cards suck now
>>94732010Uro and Oko made babies cry.Today Red and Black dominate the game and i don't see any faggot screaming like they did at that time.
>>94732010Considering how strong Phlage is in modern, Uro would definitely still be a powerhouse
>>94732085Imagine telling people not just that you take it up the ass, but that your ass leaks afterwards.
>>94732010I don't think it would affect the meta much, the format is balanced around frog, energy and different flavors of combo decksunless frog finds a way to adapt uro into the deck, there isn't an archtype that suddenly becomes top tier because of uro
>>94732080Because they extended rotation like morons and they can't make lower power sets without older sets that are still going to be around for 2+ years dominating the format.
>>94732098phlage is strong because it's in the correct colors, 99% of the reason phlage sees as much play as it does it's because of how it interacts with arena of glory, which can't cast uro
>>94732010Uro can be safely unbanned even in Pioneer and his impact would be very little considering the actual meta. We are not talking about a Winota or a Inverter, even Kroxa is used merely as a singleton and in very few decks.
>>94732102Imagine thinking of all that on your own and still telling people you're heterosexual.
>>94732131JUST LOOK AT THIS WEAK CARD BACK FROM WHEN PEOPLE ENJOYED STANDARD, ANONURGH THIS WOULD NEVER SEE PLAY NOW :/!!!
>>94732156If you could close your gaping asshole you could come play pauper with all the cool kids, but you'd have to leave the closet first because we're all openly homosexual.
>>94732156>Sorcery>Doesn't affect the board>Only replaces itself Yeesh. Why would I tap out for this on turn one?
>>94732156>1 mana do nothing Nice card lmao, meanwhile I'm killing people turn 2/3 in red
>>94732093people get used to the bad times when they see marginal improvementssee also: the road situation across every major American/Canadian town. ~25 years ago they were built with no plans on upkeep, now that due date is hitting the county wallets hard. All while the cities are unlivable and downtown is still bulldozed over to make space for a highway
>>94731999Honestly I just like the art for the commander and thought it had good synergy. I know mono limits options but I thought it was cool.
>>94732156>Cast leyline>Cast goblino turn 1>Meanwhile fag cast this>I killed him at turn 2Nice turn one bozo.
>>94732207>Ponder is banned in Modern because... IT'D JUST BE BAD OKAY?!?!?!?
>>94732203oh, and the marginal improvement that i forgot to mention is that they're building one more lane on every highway, as if that solves traffic
>>94732024Will do, thanks!
>>94732212>bans that help noobs avoid bad cardsthat's actually a cool concept
>>94732225>Ponder is le badThis is how far people are willing to go in order to either 1) defend their dumb opinions, or 2) troll.
>>94732260>people sometimes jokewow what a concept, if only you weren't too autistic to differentiate jokes from true opinionsalso, one or two examples don't counter a wider statement, that's what we in the biz call "anecdotal evidence". Ponder is good, but for every card like Ponder or Mana Leak there's twenty cards like Coral Merfolk or Assault Griffin.
>>94732299Are you arguing that printing Assault Griffin would make Standard worse or something?
>>94730514>my first cards on the way>learn the gameWhy would you be buying cards if you don't even know how to play
balatro is easy, just play two pairs
>>94730972Food, blood, and maybe clue tokens tokens probably shouldnt be artifacts but at this point I it's for the best all these stupid tokens are uniform this game is hard enough to keep track of
>>94732308it won't make it better is my pointwho cares about ass bird when [pushed mythic rare bomb] exists?
>>94731588They should I have brought back nightstalkers for capena or thunder junction
>>94732404At this point you're arguing that WotC shouldn't print any cards unless they're tournament staples. Shut up, you're just gay.
>>94732425>WotC shouldn't print any cards unless they're tournament staplesYes, and those staples should be reprinted.But also, [pushed mythic rare bomb] should've never existed in the first place. That is also my argument.
>Solos entire games better than Sheo>Sustains life totals better than Ripper>More value than FablexD nothing personnel kiddoo
>>94732010Uro would have zero (0) impact on Pioneer right now.
>>94732563it would have the impact of making the format more fun, I miss sultai delirium so goddamn much
>>94732586>it would have the impact of making the format more fun, I miss sultai delirium so goddamn muchIt would not do that because sultai delirium would have zero impact on the format today.
>>94732636thats not what I meant, I want to have fun playing sultai delirium with uro, I don't care if it's tier 0 or tier 5
Is pretty ironic we are getting to the point where bad designs as Titans are kicked out of formats because of the absurd power level and the constant FIRE of WotC.
Anyone at Scgcon up for dinner tonight? Some places on marietta street look good.No, i will not pay for you
>>94732725Are you a 10/10 female girl
>>94732335I have no reference for anything so I'm just gonna see what I get from the bloomburrow prelease box and go from there
>>94732792Im a guy
>>94732397we are way past that point. just make em typeless. fuck artifacts getting infinite synergy
>>94732843Can you wear a dress at least
>>94726574>tqI just thought of this shitty combo today, wondering if there's enough food makers in standard to make it work
>>94732878Maybe
>>94732901I built a Food Fight deck based around Enigma Jewel + Collector's Vault generating pseudo-infinite treasures. It's really funny when it works, but the games where you don't draw Collector's Vault early suck.
>>94731149Dumbest take i have seen on anything in a minute
>>94728410guns bad because...guns just ruin fantasy ok?!now look at this stranger things reference
>>94726619>"Idonno fuck it just put him in a wheelchair"These two don't even look like the same character
>>94728410They have magic
>>94733453Sorry Anon, Fiora clothing design is incompatible with racing and all must bend to the theme of the quarter.
>>94733453>No legs>>94726619>LegsSo.... they regenerated his legs but lol jk they don't work?LMFAO WHAT THE FUCK AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>94730294You're in the wrong era of magic kiddo
>>94733534And they're really prominent and doing that weird limp atrophied thing. I swear it's a fetish for these freaks.
>>94731312Death touch is overwhelmingly on snakes, creepy crawlies, or dudes with poop knives there's nothing magical about it
>>94733597>I swear it's a fetish for these freaks.You don't have to swear, it literally is.
>>94733509Not everyone can use magic
>>94730168I would say not putting six shooters or rifles in thunder junction was a major contributor to that set tanking
>>94730168>>94730257>>94733638Originally Guns forbidden because when they tried to have them in Portal 2, the player feedback was that "it didn't feel like magic" and therefore was put in the "players hate this lets never revisit it again" box. Which is a bad system but better for overall health than what we have now.Now since Wizards had given up and made themes that never should of existed anyways its mostly because the people making Magic think guns are icky.
>>94733453They did the same thing with kambal. It's not at all the same guy he went from an old Indian dude to a bald black dude a decade younger
>>94733704>On Thunder Junction>Not wearing a hatREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>94733721Was there ever a reason all these people from all these different planes all got together and started playing cow boys and injuns on thunder junction?
>>94733735>Was there ever a reason all these people from all these different planes all got together and started playing cow boys and injuns on thunder junction?No.
>>94733735someone at wotc though it was a good idea
guess the formatno cheating by looking on goldfish
>>94733750I really hope they got fired
Been loving this deck.
>>94734101this does look pretty cool, I miss playing eldritch evolution somewhere in pioneer
>>94733735I think it could've been cool if it had just been it's own thing entirely with it's own characters and taken slightly more serious. I really like the cactus people
buy collector's cage nowyou'll thank me later
>>94734214Modern Wotc could NEVER do a western setting justice. They refuse to make gritty violent settings. For some reason they think they're selling this game to children and not 30-40 year olds
>>94734397Is a collector booster close enough
>>94733794Duel Commander
>>94734461you cheated you fuckyeah its duel commander, the first challenge in months fired today after they reduced the minimum amount of players from 32 to 16
most absurd game i ever saw, gg
>>94734545Hmm.Needs more Lurrus I think.
>>94734461Which vtuber is this
>>94734545based maat btfoing lurrus niggers with based oath
>>94734483The answer isn't really that hard to get. Those cards are only legal in legacy, vintage, and duel commander. There's no way you'd waste a post going ZOMG GUYS LOOK HOW MUCH FOW AND DAZE IS USED IN LEGACY and there isn't enough moxes for it to be vintage.
>>94734461Asses to asses butts to butts
>>94734483>>94734590Wash Away is the giveaway
>>94734483>you cheated you fuckNo, I just concluded that based on card legality. Brainstorm is only legal in Legacy and Vintage and Force Spike, Wash Away and Lose focus aren't played in Vintage, so I had to conclude they were from another format and Medvedev posted about the event earlier today.
>>947321023 is too high 2 is the standard baseline.
>>94735108Its like Lightning Bolt in StandardShock for 2 is to weakBolt for 3 is to strongSo Shock with a situational upside is the balanced zone.Leak of 2 is to weakLeak of 3 is to strongSo leak for 2 with extra requirements and benefits is ballancedAlso Leak of 1 is also way to weak so they add card or mana advantage to balance it.
>>94733735It is the desert fashion. I think the only plane that might have a desert is K***dash so it must have come from another plane whose fashion is that.
>>94733534>>94733453>>94733597Reminds me tumblrinas were having a fit over the "wheelchairs in fantasy" argument (even saw some abomination for WH4K). At least >>94733453 looked cool
>>94735177>K***dash1.Why do they care what those subhumans think2.Why bother changing this far in
>>94735777Because the entire company is situated in Seattle and as so not get canceled by the people around them the Wizards staff has kept itself at the forefront of progressive habits.
>Guns are le bad>Meanwhile at Thunder Junction
I played someone that said Branching Evolution should double the counters of an X cost hydra that enters the battlefield with counters. Branching Evolution effects creatures you control, and the counters are added to the hydra before you control it. I found other posts that disagree with me, so what is the answer? I'm very new to this if you couldn't tell.
>>94735777Because you're racist.
>>94736620The counters are added as it comes into play branching evolution will double the counters as it comes into play. Branching evolution is a replacement effect that doesnt use the stack so the hydra has double counters before anyone can respond.
>>94736272>meanwhile>we can have a card that depicts the idea of getting shot so hard with a "thunder rifle" that it melts the remains of the victims into the walls and ceiling but we can't have guns
Day 2 of the Foundations Spotlight series stream is up on StarCity Games Twitch, first round of the day hasn't started yet
Is just me or White is REALLY oppressive in Standard right now? Specially considering White Overlord is best Overlord.
>>94732519If it makes Fable's price go down I'm cool with that. I want to try some stuff with it.>>94732878>packing a dress to go to magic events so people will go to dinner with youNext Level Play.
if you play any form of tokens you are a subhuman...
>>94737162Why?
>>94737169a lot of those cards like annex, fable, overlord or sunfall provide too much value and are terribly balanced.
>>94737194How does this make you a subhuman?
https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=63260&f=LECan someone help me make sense of what is the purpose of Curie on this list?
>>94726627>Eldrazi look really cool>Modern only>Phyrexians look really cool>About to be rotated out of standardTHERE'S NOTHING FOR ME
>>94737583eldrazi is one of the strongest decks in legacy right now
Esper Pixiesso hot right now
>>94737563frog replacement that dodges go for the throat is my best guess, it still dies to fatal push but the deck is also running 4x tamiyo so maybe you can punish your opponent since sideboarding out removal is common against doomsday
>>94737608So hot they just got Burnt on stream
>>94737602>eldrazi is one of the strongest decks in legacy right nowSneak Attack? Show & Tell? Hypergenesis? Omniscience? (Ramp?)
>>94737638no, eldrazi stompyhttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-eldrazi#paper
>>94737624no...
>>94737194Fuck balance.
>>94737583Try Zur Overlords
>>94730233>fem-elf thongunnnfffff
>>94730309>magic shouldnt have robotsit's golems anon
>>94737608Been having way too much fun clowning on pixie kids with Leyline of Obstinate Baloth and this absolute unit
>>94736646
>>94735885I wouldn't exactly consider India to be a beacon of progress in any aspect
>>94738511Combining Twitching Doll and this is an amazing insect combo
I need a better Pixie art. Maybe a cute one but i wouldnt mind a more feminine one.
>>94738735pick ur poison my manhttps://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=pixie_%28megami_tensei%29
>>94734214>I really like the cactus people*who are NOT native to TJ.
>>94738838Aren't they literally the only people native to TJ?
>>94738860No TJ has no natives. The cactus people are not native top TJ.Where did they come from?Fuck off, stop asking questions. We're here to squeeze money out of depressed materialist pigs, not worldbuild and tell stories.
>>94738875>Cactusfolk are the only sapient creatures native to the plane but they're implied to have awoken recently
>>94738895>>Cactusfolk are the only sapient creatures native to the plane but they're implied to have awoken recently>Awoken recentlyLmfao so not native, they're not even people, just cacti animated by random chucklefucks.THE OMENPATHS BRO THEY JUST LIKEBRO THEY JUST AWAKENED THE CACTITRUST US, THEY JUST DID
Cactus folk at Thunder Junction just like Clowns and Killers at Duskmourn would have been kino, why they always focus on the most shitty stuff? Survivors and Outlaws are both boring and trash-
>>94738933It must be difficult going through life being this stubborn and retarded
>>94738956It's not. I get to smile knowing I'm less retarded than the people at WotC.
>>94738954>Cactus folk at Thunder Junction just like Clowns and Killers at Duskmourn would have been kino, why they always focus on the most shitty stuff? Survivors and Outlaws are both boring and trash->Make cactusfolk native to the plane?>No no we can't do that, it would be offensive to natives.>So delete them?>No no we can't do that, we need some kind of creature that's native to the plane.>So...>They just woke up? Therefor had no culture that the newcomers could colonize, but still have the aesthetic of a native people?>Perfect!I hate these talentless retards.
>>94738974You keep acting like them being underdeveloped and underutilized makes them not native to the plane when it's very explicitly stated that they are. Why are you so attached to this bizarre angle of a complaint when the original post for all of this was already saying the set was mishandled
Any fun suggestions for cards to chuck in a Modern Yawgmoth deck?
Shut the fuck up about cactus people jesus fuck
>>94738992>The Atiin are a nomadic human people who have found their way onto Thunder Junction through the Omenpaths.>NOMATIC PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOUND THEIR WAY ONTO THUNDER JUNCTION THROUGH THE OMENPATHSI appreciate you being both disingenuous AND wrong. It's fun.
>>94738962>being smarter than a retard is all it takes to satisfy this anon
>>94739125What can I say, an easy life is all you need.
Is there a format that has no Universe Beyond cards? And will never have any? That you can play on arena?
>>94739164>Is there a format that has no Universe Beyond cards?Nope.Every format either has UB directly in it, or Secret Lair alt arts with UB.
>>94739164We had just a while ago: Standard and Pioneer.Then WotC noted that they couldn't scam players if they had formats to runaway from their greed and now this is MTG for 2025.Half UB, half actual Magic and literally 1 set each two months.Conclusion: The death of this game and answering your question, no you can't scape now, you are trapped with the rest of us.
>>94739201>AETHERDRIFT!!!>DRAGONSTORM!!!!! (won't have the Storm mechanic or Dragonstorm card btw)>EDGE of ETERNITIES!!!I hate how all of these set names are blatant attempts to be marketable.Every one of these set names is globohomo slop YA novel garbage.
>>94739226I don't know i find something cool about seeing Tezzeret again.
>>94739240No you don't, anon.Fucking nobody cares or has ever cared about Tezzeret.
Seems like someone forgot their meds today
>>94739201why spiderman? what's the point? i mean you could make a case for ff in a fantasy setting like mtg but spiderman, green goblin, electro or dr. octopus? what the fuck, wotc?
>turn 2 Up the Beanstalk>turn 3 Overlord of the Hauntwoods
>>94739288>why spiderman? what's the point?
Turn 3?
>>94739288They went to disney and disney told them what was going to happen
>>94739288disney is at trying to bank in anything possible now children no longer watch it, so they try to grasp every ip possible with their handsstar wars set for 2026
>>94739164I've never understood how any of those were popular all it does is devalue the setting while providing nothing else
>>94739418>star wars set for 2026First for Zombie Palpi card with flavor text "Somehow, Palpatine returned".
>>94739452Disney wouldn't allow their ip to be mocked
>>94739418She'll be the strongest card in the set
>>94735108>NOOOO DON'T PRINT POWERFUL BLUE CARDS INTO STANDARD, WE ENJOY BEING ASSFUCKED BY RED!!!
>>94739582>T1 Swamp, Holdo Maneuver>Yeah, you shoulda won the coinflip, huh?>G2?
>>94739426>all it does is devalue the settingThat would mean something if anyone gave a shit about MtG's setting.
>>94739710Are you somehow implying UB is a good thing anon?
>>94739426>devalue the settingVery very few people buy cards because of Magic's setting. Bloomburrow was one of the better selling recent sets, and it was basically just Redwall UB. I don't know how Brother's War sold, but I'd guess nothing amazing, despite being 99% "member this thing from the old stories?" People just don't give a shit about Urza or Tolaria or the Weatherlight.
>>94739418Disney doesn't own marvel you idiot, they only have the rights to movie adaptations.MTG is going to base it of the comics.
>>94739757>Disney doesn't own marvel you idiot, they only have the rights to movie adaptations.
>>94739757??????
>>94739721I'm implying that trying to argue sanctity of the setting when the setting has been multiverse slop since day 1 is stupid.
>>94739757>Disney doesn't own marvelhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Entertainment>On March 29, 2023, Marvel Entertainment's remaining units were folded into Disney's other divisions.
>>94739608Last time mono blue and Dimir mill were competitive in standard people considered mono-red aggro a welcome reprieve from long tedious games.
>>94739737How many sets or plotlines have actually inspired players to interact with the lore?>NEO Jin posting>Chandra homophobia riot>Thalia autist>Thalia autist, Japanese
>>94739790Mechanics that should become really competitive again:MillDredgeLifegainFuck heroic shit pumping creatures, fuck enchantments and blink, fuck affinity and fuck energy
>>94739790>even when lecturing students, Teferi remains an absolute cuntAlso when is this? I thought temporal studies were banned at Tolaria West unless I missed something in the last few years.
kaito, teferi or jace?
>>94739827>whenIt could be literally any time anonIt's temporal studies
Maybe if I do the impossible and place in enough events with Enchantress more people will draw fanart of Sythis. Or I could be more reasonable and do it myself.>>94739859>manipulating time to give lectures on a taboo subject (manipiulation of time) and being a dick about itThis fucking guy.
>>94739816Exactly, even hornyposting is barely a thing despite it being the lifeblood of every other gacha. Anons need to stop coping and understand that after a decade+ of failure on the lore side, they're not going to keep trying the same thing.>>94739721nta, but yes it is. Look at D&D, where they've achieved market dominance to the point there are significant numbers of people that played Cyberpunk 2077 and said they wanted to play 5E in a cyberpunk setting. Even in their recent successes like Baldur's Gate 3, do you think the game would've flopped had it been set in Tamriel or Middle Earth or whatever? The setting is the least important aspect of Magic, "devalue the setting" implies that it has value.
Troon or real girl?
>>94739970Which one is supposed to be the girl
>>94739920What's insane is waifu cards inspire more negative conversation than fun. I chalk it up to the MtG community being mostly speculators and trying to pull one over on the other guy. It's hard to want to engage with people who always have an angle.
>>94739997This card made so many people mad for no reason
F for my nigga rei
>>94739997Your guess is as good as mine, but I think you're probably right. I'd also guess Magic being the boomer of the big three means it has less appeal to kids, which indirectly means less people with a lot of spare time to drive that kind of engagement. A 12 year old posting about their favorite Pokemon is nothing strange, a 32 year old doing it is a much less common sight.
>>94739816Thinking about it, besides what you mentioned>The Weatherlight Saga gets talked about positively in retrospect>People seethe about Mirrodin still>Ravnica as a setting in general pre WAR>The group of ESL Alara posters>Elsbeth getting killed was a bid thing back in the day>People getting mad at the erasure of the Clans on Tarkir>OG Ixalan is liked for making Jace a good characterOf note is that the only thing post WAR people cared about was Jin postingReally half of those are from people liking the settings over the characters or actual stories.And that's what MTG was good at, making cool and fun settings built around shared traits across the multiverse and interesting color pie interactions. As someone who has read a bunch of them, the actual stories are not that bad. They are fun pulp adventures which is all they ever needed to by, that suffered from needing to be tied to set releases.An example is the Lorwyn Cycle since that's on the brain is the issue where Book 1 is all setup till the end, while book 2 gets to bank off all the setup and open with a run rescue mission adventure. Both suffer without the other but as a 600 some page affair its a fun read. But again that's 600 pages of story that's only just Fun, so why would you do that when you can just jerk off and watch anime?
>standard 10k won by gruul aggroWhat now? Will there be a ban?
>>94740500>What now? Will there be a ban?NO.
>>94739509Then why do they keep making movies?
>>94740500>We're monitoring the situation>All macro archetypes are seeing play>The meta looks healthy and diverse>Our data suggests it doesn't have an excessively high win rate>We can't make any changes now because it would disrupt an upcoming event>We're waiting to see how the next release effects the meta>The format has all the tools necessary to deal with it>There's plenty of room for rogue decks to succeed
>>94740500I don't even know how you would hit cards without the format simply becoming worse.Cards ares so fucked right now that I can't even fathom how hitting certain cards simply just don't break something else
>>94740649>There's plenty of room for rogue decks to succeedThis was my favorite because the room they had was literally 2 turns before being dead lmao.
>>94739164>>94739201That's it, I'm going Premodern now, enjoying some oldframe cards.
>>94739757>Disney doesn't own marvel you idiot
>>94740500What do you ban? Seriously any of the mices? Any of the extremely efficient pumping spells? The play pattern is almost identical as Pioneer and the problem the same, you dont have a real target and the decks are just extremely efficient and powerful
>>94739261actually I used to think he was a good example of diversity, a black (maybe blasian?) character where nobody makes a big deal out of it. that was too low-key so he got retconned into being white and his dreads became racist. this self-ignorance by wizards projected onto a societal anxiety and monetized through shame and guilt is the left's answer to conservative grift marketing (watches, bibles, hats, etc).
>>94741005>actually I used to think he was a good example of diversity,Yeah, literally so was everything in MTG prior to the DEI shit. It was one of the most diverse fucking IPs in the damned world, from its inception with Taysir's inclusion in the Nine Titans, the first real MTG block featuring 100% black characters, the golden age with Sisay through Kamigawa, to its murder at the hands of greedy, spineless retards.MTG was arguably the most diverse IP through all of the 90s, and absolutely the most diverse in the gaming space. This fact makes the retarded DEI garbage even more fucking ridiculous.
Do the deed already you bloody belcher
>>94726878It works pretty well as an infinite combo piece
>>94726878>currently trying to make a dredge deck with pic related work at pio.Many have tried.Many have succeeded.It's just that it can't compete with what the format already has. Pioneer is eternally cucked by infinite value engines and no good solutions to them.
>>94739844fuck kaito marry teferi kill jace
>>94739997Back in the day, doing alters for what are now UB cards was cringe like the morons who obsessively vomit forth custom cards despite having no functional game knowledge. Now UB is the only thing WotC cares about. Giant anime titties on cards can still sell despite the cringe, but the problem are the misandrist feminist activists waging war from WotC HQ; if men might like it, it gets tossed in the can.
>>94740382>weatherlight sagaAsk 100 Magic players what the Weatherlight is and maybe 10 could tell you. It's irrelevant. If it wasn't for recent cards in DOM and DMU, it'd probably be even lower.>mirrodinComplete nothingburger>RavnicaThe only actually popular setting here, and it wasn't enough to sell MKM.>Alarawho?>ElspethYou cannot tell me with a straight face any significant number of people bought packs because of Elspeth.>TarkirAn example of how they fucked up the lore is not the strongest case.>Ixalan JaceSee Elspeth.The majority of MtG players don't even know a coherent lore exists. There was a significant sales boost just from ditching almost all existing characters and replacing them with cute animals. Meanwhile, Pokemon Go became #1 mobile game of the time by slapping Pokemon graphics on an existing mediocre game. I agree with you that anons exaggerate how shitty the stories are, most are fine. But it doesn't matter because most people aren't even aware of their existence, we're in the vast minority here. Plus they shot themselves in the foot from the start with their setup, it's not really possible to make a story about a multiverse that's interesting, long running, and not a comedy. The only one I can think of is Doctor Who, which has the benefit of being focused on a single consistent character, and plenty of people would dispute it being good.
>>94726878Hey, the first card I brewed.That gives me an idea.Perhaps an unholy fusion of my first Roots brew and Skeletons could work...>The Skeletons are also PlantsOh lawdy lawd, perhaps it could...
>>94740933It would have to be inkeeper’s talent imo
Huh. It's actually pretty threatening for something cobbled together so quickly.Initial tests are comfy.
Alright, I'm convinced. This is disgusting.Moss-Pit Skeleton + Insidious Roots is DISGUSTING, even moreso with it being so easy to enable via Slitherhead/Rubblebelt.
>>94741323you mean the card not played in mono red or gruul?
>>94741377meant and only gruul
>>94740382>Elsbeth (sic) getting killed was a bid thing back in the dayNot really. By Theros block most people had stopped caring about the storyline. The only thing I remember from that period was people arguing about whether she would come back since back then JotC had a policy where 'if a character is dead they stay dead' but also Theros was a setting with an explicit afterlife and way of returning from the dead.WAR was unironically more hyped than anything in the Theros block, both by Wizards and by the fanbase. The stupid "In The End" trailer was cringe in an endearing way and the stained glass teaser was cool too. WAR had every opportunity to be awesome and as impactful as NPH (which you overlooked in your post. The Mirrodin Pure/New Phyrexia thing got people to engage with the storyline as well). It was purely an execution problem and not having the balls to kill off meaningful characters despite promising an earth shattering change to the status quo.
>>94737056>white>oppressive>standard>EVERSomeone show this retard the Standard bans for the past 6 years and ask if white has ever been a problem.
Will artifacts ever be viable outside of improvise degeneracy and mana cheating?
>>94741640probably considering enchantments are now played in every deck.Biggest question is what it will take for equipment to be played
>>94741640You can play Ensoul in Pioneer.
Any good shrine decks?
>>94741830No.
>>94740933if i bolt this does it still put the can't gain life emblem on me? i assume yes because it's all in one paragraph but i haven't played mtg in a long time
>>94742459Yes, bolt deals damage and that'll trigger nemesis. Importantly, nemesis has to actually hit a player for the can't gain life clause to work. If you had something like leyline of sanctity, then you can dodge the effect.
>>94739997This card confused me because the originally card was male so I thought it was a trap until I realized they only released it in english and japanese so the ne is gender neutral.
>>94742725There's plenty of cards that have both a male and female version.
>>94739226Make up a cool name for a set for us.
>>94742881>Make up a cool name for a set for us."Core Set"Now THAT'S a set name.
>>94740933Monstrous Rage and Screaming Nemesis are what prevent Green, the natural predator of mono R from ever actually blocking it. Ban those and it's probably fine. But if you hit RDW, you're also going to have to deal with the Beanstalk problem or the meta is going to become unbearable.
>>94741602>Wandering Emperor>Sunfall>Farewell>Leyline Binding>Thalia>Raffine
>>94741602>Someone show this retard the Standard bans for the past 6 years and ask if white has ever been a problem.Anon just because WotC is too retarded to ban shit they absolutely should have banned, doesn't mean the cards didn't deserve a ban.Emperor was a fucking blight upon the game.
This is a perfect example of facts vs emotions. It feels really bad when your opponent casts Sunfall, so some anons here complain about white, but if you look at tournament results (facts), red and black are the issue colors in standard and pioneer.
>>94743014I'm not the white sctizo but most of those are removal used in other plans and of the two that aren't, one of them was meh and the other is multicolor.White can be strong buts its a supporting color to either Red or Dimir shells more than any threat on its own.Also what white sctizo wants is white to be pushed as hard as Red and Black, basically wanting a White Winter in the vein of Combo or Eldrazi. Because of this your better off just letting him cry and piss himself in the corner. while ignoring him.
>>94743036A large portion of players just hate control because telling them No is a feel bad despite being a necessary if unglamorous part of the game's health.
Why this general always feel the need to engage with White schizoid?
>>94743362>>94743362>>94743362
>>94741640if all colors didn't have the same exact vanilla slot-filler creature for draft, artifact creatures would be doing that job. i mean, some all-class cards in Hearthstone see or saw a lot of play because they were efficient bodies usable by any deck
