Imperial Witch edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0HWarhammer Chronicles: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zipTime of Legends: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zipET: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zipTOW: https://gofile.io/d/ffbanDhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread: >>94741769>TQ:What is your favourite Lore of magic.
>>94752428Terrible image choice
>>94752428>TQlight, or Metal
>>94752428Hard to choose between Lore of da big Waaagh! and lore of the little Waaagh
>>94752469how so?
>>94752487He nekkid, he NEKKID!
>>94752428>TQLore of Plague
>>94752476>Light wizard>is dark
>>94752518As all magic users should be!
>>94752526Seconded. Sorceresses are the best!.
>>94752559Orc is da best!
>>94752505sloppa
>>94752574Nah, orcs suck. Sorceresses are cute and have nice boobs.
>>94752582how is it Slop anon? it's piece Adrian Smith did when he still worked at GW
Speaking of sorceresses. Whats a nice "elegant" chariot for a sorceress? Cold one chariot? More talking about the "chariot body" itself, the steeds ill figure out separately.
>>94752428Damn, baby girl rocking that Tajik /effay/
>>94752652Forgot me pic, shitpost is ruined. Will commit sudoku.
>>94752659>this is what like 25% of chaos warriors look like
>>94752639Wut you say?! Orc boobs da greenest and meanest!
>>94752661and 50% of kislivites
>>94752661Average Ostland phenotype, desu
>>94752650you don't really have much choice in plastic elegant chariots, it's either the dark elf monowheel thing or the slaanesh chariotunless you want to go for something WAY more unconventional and start from the mortis engine, but you would have to convert all the ghosts to be Delf-themed rather than vampire themed
>>94752694anon could use the high elf tiranoc chariot and then just add more DE bits
>>94752675>picHalf of Kislevites look like John Wayne?
>>94752675>this retard againShut the fuck up
How large and wide should I run my black orcs and boar Boy mobs?
>>94752650Definitely nothing GW makes, that's for sure
>>94752694I dont mind unconventional. >but you would have to convert all the ghosts to be Delf-themedOh, its not for a dark elf project, its for a chaos sorceress. Will be vaguely dark elf themed because its an elf, but I can do anything in the bounds of chaos when it comes to the steeds.
>>94752729blame GW or just Andy Law for making Kislev's ethnographic history nonsensical with the Mongolian Steppe Nomad Ungols the natives, who get invaded and subjected by the White Slavic Gospodors.
>>94752735I dont mind 3rd party so long as I dont have to print it, but I havent seen many good 3rd party chariots.
>>94752753The ungols are themselves invaders. The original indigenous population are the roppsmen, which were a pastoral agrarian society of woodsmen which was enslaved by the ungol nomad warriors, which were themselves later conquered by the gospodar.
waaagh
>>94752753>for making Kislev's ethnographic history nonsensicalWhat about it doesent make sense? You have successive waves of steppe-nomads invading from the east as they are displaced from their ancestral homelands by the spread of chaos/the kurgan.
>>94752763but the Roppsmen are such an irrelevant group that we don't even have any art or characters for them let alone models we both the Ungols and Gospordors have
>>94752787>we bothwhich both*
>>94752787Yes, because they were wiped out/assimilated as a significant force literally millennia ago. The roppsmen are not a big player in kislevite identity politics because they were the oppressed minority even before the ungols themselves got relegated to that status. To put it in terms of irl history, theyre essentially the pre anglo-saxon population of Britain, their identity as a separate group eroded by successive waves of newcomers. There is however still "some" presence of them, with praag having a ghetto named after them and shit. I also believe the !baba yaga stuff descends from them, but I could be wrong.
>>94752753what's nonsensical?read history, cossacks, hell, the first Bulgars came from the volga long before russians
>>94752806i think the kislev book says the hags are an Ungol thing not a Roppsman one but i would need to try and find a copy again to read it and of course, this all could change for TOW to add more Bears and Ice to everything
>>94752428>What is your favourite Lore of magicEither Shadows for the shenanigans, or Fire for simple, direct damage
>>94752813Bulgers and Cossacks aren't Mongolian or tartar-looking ethnicities though
>>94752505Smith can't paint a non-gorilla human if his life depended on it.
>>94752816>this all could change for TOW to add more Bears and Ice to everythingThey could have explored the looming gospodar-ungol conflict that the older lore implied. Heck, its not like they couldn't pull from history books when it comes to relations between nomadic and sedentary communities in the same area
>>94752822Huns are, though.
>>94752833GW seems rather leery of exploring such an ethnic divide these days which was why in both the TOW core book and TWW the Ungol Gospodar split isn't mentioned as a major thing
>>94752833Hear me out>strigany move in>steppe nomad vs gyppo nomad conflict>grand theft horse
>>94752816>i think the kislev book says the hags are an Ungol thing not a Roppsman one but i would need to try and find a copy again to read itYou might be correct, I dont know kislev lore too well frankly (because theyre an irrelevant minor faction that even some sort of pan-slavic pride cant bring me to be invested in). >and of course, this all could change for TOW to add more Bears and Ice to everythingThe ancient roppsmen made a blood-bargain with the primordial bear-spirit of kislev, which is why as they assimilated with the later invaders the bear powers spread to them! The bears of kislev are actually ancient roppsmen transformed into bears like the wolves of fenris, their special character is the ancient werebear king!
>>94752849the huns also came from further afield than the Bulgars and other Slavvic groups during the migration period through
>>94752863>gorkamorka: fantasy edition, war and caravan wagons replace cars
>>94752849>>94752822>>94752881I feel like people are forgetting that not every ethnicity exists in the warhammer world, or that the geography and history are different.The irl history of russia or the slavs cant happen the same way because the norse are different, because you cant have the rurik stuff going on because rather than relatively enlightened traders and shit the warhammer norse are a bunch of chaos worshipping marauders. There is no constantinople to inherit, there isnt as much of a siberia or eastern steppe...
>>94752899>Empire joins the fray>Whole step is just one huge drive by after another
>>94752816>the kislev book???
>>94752926*SteppeDang dislexia
>>94752930Realm of the Ice Queen book for WFRP2eit has the lore for Hags in it they aren't mentioned before then and not really mentioned after so we don't have much to go on
>>94752926do wonder when the MTO for this will start
>>94752926Considering what Empire horses drag to the battlefield why aren't they S5/T5. This, War Altar and retarded magical engines from 8th look like being several tons heavy and not only it requires two horses but they move at full speed.
>>94752914Kislev isn't just Russiaif anything Gospodars come from the Eastern Stepes is the analogue of the Ruriks that settled in Kiev
>>94753052Rurikids settled in Novgorod and only conquered what later became Kiev generations later.
>>94753052Yes, kislev isnt just russia, which makes the complaints regarding accurate ethnic relations even harder. Its a mishmash based on an amalgamation of eastern european tropes and concepts. Because eastern europe isnt a monolith and has different histories. Poland has a different relationship with the mongols or hunnic peoples than the russians and ukrainians. You have the polish hussars, the crimean cossacks and the russian streltsi being ruled by a stereotypical ice queen.
>>94753071yes, but it still mirrors the parallel that Eastern Europe already had people(ungols) before the ruriks(gospodars) came and Kislev is somethingfor example in Warhammer we don't have Modern England which is anglo saxons plus norman invaders
>>94753096Yes, you have general analogues, but the details obviously wont line up.
>>94752744>Oh, its not for a dark elf projectthen that frees up the dark elf warshrines to be used as frame for a chariot, since you won't have a normal one present in the armyespecially if you get rid of the staircase in front (to be used on other stuff)
>>94753295Oooh, thats an interesting idea. Think the swamp monster is a bit big for what youre suggesting though, I have one built for a conversion (probably going to be a great spawn) and it fills out a 100mm base on its own.
>>94752428>TQhonestly I think magic is the least interesting thing in warhammer, maybe Lore of Shadows idk
>>94753371>honestly I think magic is the least interesting thing in warhammerAnd what is anon
>>94753396???
>tqFire! Even if it's not optimal (or even remotely good) to have my sorcerer lord on anything besides shadow, I always have him use the lore of fire. It's just fun! He makes things explode and die, and that's all I could ever ask of him. I love fire in 6th, I love it in 7th, I even love it in 8th. Conflagration of Doom is the coolest spell ever made, even if it isn't the strongest, but good old fashioned Fire Ball and Fiery Blast are my favourite spells ever. I almost always get the former off on 2dice and the latter has allowed my sorcerer lord to wipe out entire units. Flaming Sword of Rhuin has allowed my sorcerer lord to gank a giant, Burning Head is weird and I've never been able to cast it effectively and Wall of Fire is really really cool, even if I always swap it out for Fire Ball.
>>94753396Interesting according to you
>>94753295Looks very AoSy
>>94752428Lore of Heavens, wonder if astromancers were seen more favourably before the colleges were established since the comet is already a sacred symbol and I think they are better esteemed by the Empire than the other colleges.
>>94753295>>94753306The monster is definitely too bigIt goes on a 120x70 mm baseThe chariot would need to be more like a howdah
>>94754017I do like the idea of howdah, but I want it to specifically be a chariot. Going to have it pulled by two golden serpents.
>>94754056I like that idea more than your chaos spawn thing
>>94754013dunno, predictions are a double edged sword in a world of pricey stakes and superstitious people with the power to execute youpredict wrong and your mecenate loses a lot of moneypredict right that a terrible event is going to happen and you might get accused of having directly caused it in secret for a secret agenda or having let it happen indirectly by not stopping it despite knowing how it might play outsome people simply like getting confronted with fate
>>94754056>two golden serpents.tomb king snakes?
>>94753052Yup, Kislev has little sense from the real world history perspective. For example winged hussars could never exist in Russia. Russian tzar actually tried to copy this formation and failed miserably, for Russia had no social group that could form that kind of cavalry (rich nobles following knightly virtues).
>>94754135Probably convert those sea elf eels or something, idk. Give em little wings.
>>94754013i don't think since the twin-tailed comet isn't a comment astrological event in the Warhammer world
>>94754148There's also a AoS vampire who stands on a big snake and would probably be small enough for the chariotBut you would have mirror syndrome with 2
>>94754187Yea, I think I know the one you mean. Not sure that pose works too well for the chariot either.
Finished my HPA to complement my mixed Skaven army. Absolutely amazing model to paint.Does anyone have any tips for how they would play him? Looking at his profile he looks like an infantry mulcher but I don't really know how else Skaven would try to compete with bigger monsters.
>>94754313He is an infantry devourer, but he can't fight monsters that well. He is T5 and WS3, so quite a few big things are hitting him on 3s and wounding on 3s. He does have a regen but that usually isn't enough to keep him in the fight with his d6 attacks and only d3 stompsKeep the Feed in mind if you do bring it, picking out a character in B2B and just biting their head off is greatSkaven don't actually have a way to deal with monsters short of the Dragon Slayer Axe or spamming 15 jezzails and hoping your opponent is idiot enough to put their monster across your hill
Can you play with minis on round bases on a square movement tray?
Damn.Chorf women look like THIS??
>>94754435Yes, but unless your round bases are 25mm, your tray will be considerably bigger (and that means illegal). Better rebase your models, anon.
>>94754435There are square movement trays with circular cutsI use them
>>94754435it's not 100% perfect for all situations, but it can work good enough
>>94754175true though its shown up like 4 times at least
>>94752428>TQNegromancy will always hold a special place for me.
>>94754576Necromancy*
>>94754449A fertility priestess/idol would honestly be a pretty neat addition to chorf lore/roster. With their numbers being what they are, and the general attitudes of dwarfs towards family, it'd make sense for the chorfs to put a lot of emphasis on, and status behind, breeding. Dress it up with some Hashut stylings and you got yourself a pretty solid concept.
>>94754583Admit you made that "typo" on purpose
>>94754013the witch hunter handbook suggests otherwise since I think concepts like Atroligy are pseudoscience that encourage superstition instead of faith in Sigmar among the populace
>>94754601etymologically speaking, they're perfectly equivalent spellings
>>94754576https://www.google.com/amp/www.inquiriesjournal.com/amp/539/nigromancy-in-the-later-middle-ages
>>94754013I think heavens mages have the best livings in current empire, especially if they manage to rope a rich patron to pay them for divination
>>94754576https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=negromancy
Are there any sources on the Empires Legal System from Province to Province?Do places still have a medieval feudal right to Pits and Gallows with the liege lord, or are there official State level Courts and Judges already?I would think places like Altdorf and Nuln have relatively advanced altought not unbiased in the modern sense courts of law.
hmmm…
>>94754720How does the empire farm with that much forest?
>>94754742Clearing Forests is excellent ground for agriculture.Most settlements are surrounded by cleared lands, but the vast majority of the region is still forrested.
>>94754720the most recent book Deft Steps Light Fingers for WFRP4e has a bit on this but it's handled in a very abstract sort of way rather than anything in severe detail in a location like Inherntence law in Wissanland isn't male-only unlike the rest of the empire and women can also inherit if they were born first or Nordland Law relies more on trials by Combat compared to the rest of the Empireyour best bets for specifics are splat books on these locations like the Altdorf, Middenland or Salzenmund books which have more detail on the legal areasSigmar heirs probably also have a section on it
>>94754742the map exaggerates the amount of forest in the Empire.this one shows the area around Middenheim mostly clear of the forest
>>94754766Interesting source already, thanks anon. It gives a general idea how law works in the Empire.
>>94752428Lore of High Magic. Gotta love Flames of the Phoenix.>>94752090>>94752455>get called 40kid>respond with quote from 40keksGod you children are fucking tedious.
>>94754728>Tom Meier's Zombie DragonIt's weird there was a time when GW credited it Sculters on the box
>>94754728kinoToo bad skeletons are useless in the old world, I loved my skellies.
>>94754888Sculptors*
>>94754905Call them zombies sans fleshWhy are skeles useless?
>>94754857>40keksWell done retard, you dont recognize realm of chaos.
>>94754936They're just zombies with a bit more armor (not enough to make any real difference) and they're 66% more expensive. Why would anyone want that?The only good thing is that they have a champion so you can duel big dudes to waste their attacks but it's not worse the huge difference in price.2x20 skellies is 200 points3x20 zombies is 180 pointsAND you can grow the zombies units up to 40 with invocation of nehek but you can't grow the skellies past their starting size.The only way I can see them be used ever is if you make one big ass meme unit of 80 or something
>>94754435Can recommend these. 20 spaces. 4 for £6https://www.firestormgames.co.uk/renedra---25mm-diameter-recessed-movement-tray
>>94754728those boxes belong in a display case.
>>94754662The Magic (or maybe the Nordland one, can't remember) book for WFRP also said they make a pretty penny by using their wheather powers to help with sea trading.
>>94754728>>94754888I googled the dragon expecting it to be shitIt's surprisingly charming
>>94755012oddly small though but that was the standard at the time
>>94754766Do you think a Stirland Baron would still arbitrate legal disputes within their jurisdiction/fief, or would they just preside over a County Judges procedure?
>>94754967Child, I literally posted realm of chaos
>>94754888>>94755012Honestly, I'd prefer this one over any of the later ones.Maybe augment the wings a little bit, but otherwise it is amazing.
>>94755066depends on the baron but i think stirland would eire on the side on the baron himself would arbitrate the case
>>94755080
>>94755066Always had the impression the Empire was quite bureaucratic as opposed to a feudal State like Bretonnia. The supposed Baron probably has executive and veto rights, but I imagine most decisions are handled by courts made out of ministers appointed by the governing noble.
>>94755066>>94755162And it's important to note that I mean courts that would exist anyway, regardless of which Baron finds himself under the big hat, he just has the right to appoint its members.
>>94755182>>94755162Certainly would depend on the size of the Barony.In VT2 you drudge through Ussingen, which has a Baron but doesnt seem large enough to have a dedicated court of law.I suspect some disputes would be handled by a Baron directly, or his appointed officials, and bigger disputes would probably require County or Duchy tier Courts of Law to rule on cases.
>>94755224>Ussingen, which has a Baron but doesnt seem large enough to have a dedicated court of law.A dedicated court of law can be just a room on the Baron's manor, which conveniently is run by his xousin, friend or brother-in-law. If I'm not mistaken such posts in the acrual HRE (and Habsburg Spain) were State-funded, which created an incentive for low-level governors and officials to put in as many people they trusted in thoae positions to essentially embezzle the money Central Government would send to fund these things.
>>94755254Interesting, so on that premise even a backwater Barony with less than 5000 inhabitants could have its own court-room with state funded Judge.
>>94752487I dunno, Itchy Nuisance is kind of busted if you can get it off consistently.
>>94755254Also, as trivia:Renaissance Spain created one of the first imstitutional audit programs, because just like their ministry the military also worked on State subsidies. The intended system was>men enrolled with local forces, providing thwir own equipment and being attributed a pay level in accordance to equipment, fitness and experience >local government tallies up how many of each soldier type they have and send that up the chain>this goes on for a few levels until reaching the crown>the crown then sends money to cover the military paymentsThe problem is that officials soon realized they could just fucking lie and say thwy had many more and mich better troops than they actually did, receiving funds well in excess of their needs and just pocket the difference after oaying their soldiers. This both drained Spanish coffers and made actually knowing how steong their armies were a nightmare, so they had to crack down hard with audits, on every level of government from village representative to provincial governor.
>>94752731I play against an Orc player a bit, and Boar Boys absolutely want to linehammer if they can to maximise attack, especially if they're Big Uns. Units of seven or eight work well. Black Orcs seem to work well in any size or shape.
>>94752582>>94752469Fucking retard.
>>94755280It's a bullshit or be bullshited world out there.
Are there already any modular rules for asymetric games or handicap? For example, in a 2000 v 1000 pt army maybe using Malifaux soulstone effects for the underdog (1/50 to 40/2000, 25 rerolls/+ dice/etc).
I want to build a Daemons army that is compatible across multiple game systems and for aesthetic reasons, want to stick to a single God.1. Will this get destroyed in TOW? Its a Legacy army playing with significant self-imposed limitations so I'm not expecting miracles.2. I could go for either Khorne or Slaanesh, does either stand out as less awful?
>>94754628Yes but then the Witch Hunters think eating anything more flavourful than gruel, wearing clothes not made of sack, or sleeping on mattresses encourage lack of faith in Sigmar among the populace. Pretty sure nobles still eat pheasduckgoosen slathered in ten-alcohol-sauce and the peasants enjoy rumpy-pumpy on the weekends anyway, both usually finding some tenuous excuse why doing so is actually super godly honest guv. Anon's logic makes sense, plus women and rich folk love stupid shit like astrology - "court astrologer" was likely one of the ways people snuck wizardly in via the back door even though it was technically outlawed.
>>94752428I always loved Dark Magic and Necromancy for some reason. They are just so raw and evil that it makes them look badass. Close third is either Metall or Waagh magic.
>>94755330I always liked this piece from 6E
>>94755280It's just a step-up from the office of Bailif/Sheriff (which was already pretty corrupt) and granting low level officials the ability to not only enforce low level decisions, but also take them.
>>94755080What I like about old dragons is that their size is more real. Like, it's just a big animal that you could actually fight and right instead of being a gigantic mystical creature that would essentially be unstoppable.
>>94755066Samefag
>>94755357>anything more flavourful than gruel, wearing clothes not made of sack, or sleeping on mattresses encourage lack of faith in Sigmar among the populace.Retard, rest of your point is pointless
>>94755004wouldn't that fall into Mannan's priests?like the lore Manaan/Mathlaan/Stromfels is a very petty capricious god, I doubt he'd be okay with mages cheating
>>94755413>size is more realReal as in...?
>>94755367Thanks for the recommendation.
>>94754662Depends on quality of their divinations obviously.
>>94755413I'm definitely partial to the scale of 4/5e. The centerpiece models so common now are not playing pieces I enjoy engaging with on any level.
>>94755481As in "it's just a big animal that you could actually fight"It's literally the next sentence you fucking retard.
>>94754857that old art reminds me, is there any japanese style Chaos Symbols or God Depitctions?like the chaos symbols stylized as kanji or Chaos Gods depicted as Kami, in my view japanese would worship many spirits/gods, the Chaos Gods would just be part of the world even if evil kami, also, since irl Amaterasu is a key deity, you could also make the Nipponese Sun/Light Kami to be Alluminas
>>94754936Well skeles have a 5+ armour 6+ regen this ed. so as long as you run your skele train in front of something with 0ap they’ll outperform zombies for tarpit.But against the standard big shit with ap-2, or a unit of cav(so lances) their armours naturally negated meaning that a similar sized block of zombies is cheaper by quite a bit and likely to serve better as a tarpit.+ you can raise a 20 man zombie unit beyond its max size still. Honestly 1 skeleton unit wouldn’t be so bad just be careful with deployment so it has somewhere to go. Id go with 6x6 (but 32 so incomplete back rank formation to maintain ranks as long as possible. before you lose a rank bonus. That would give you 8 models killed before you lose a rank. Should be just enough to take a big charge.And speaking of old dudes here’s some empire I’m working on. I think these are altdorf state regiment halberdiers but they deviate from the official dudes by virtue of having 2 knee pads and chain mail on the shoulders. So not sure
>>94755413Oldhammer Dragons certainly are at a Scale where a guy on a horse with a Lance can realistically kill them.But humongous dragons always existed in Lore.
>>94755594>battlemaster halberdiersI always hate when a seller tried to sneak those into a joblot of regular plastic ones to pump the figure number
>>94755542Ok, I was just checking if you're dumb. And yes you mongoloid, tabletop dragons are small by necessity with stats to boot, only retards like you would think this is the right size.
>>94755300>The problem is that officials soon realized they could just fucking lie and say thwy had many more and mich better troops than they actually did,Actually still an issue with especially Arab armies to this day. Was a huge factor in Iraqs invasion and the fold of the Syrian Army very recently, that Officers have phantom troops on payroll while actually only paying out half or less of what they cash from superiors.
>>94755663not to derail discussion but when Putin started the war in the Ukraine and the army performed so poorly he realized almost HALF the money he has put into the armed forces in the last 20 years went into skimming someone's pocket, a lot of people were jumping out of windows after that
>>94755497>my lord, your daughter will give you a strong grandson>how did the stars saw that?>*sweats profusely*
>>94755691Defense Industries all around the world are actually massive scams designed to vampirically suck up taxpayer money.Especially ever since private equity has wormed its way into the sector after the cold war.
>>94755594Man I wish halberdiers were a solid tabletop choice, no matter the edition they just suck.
>>94755846they're a cheap bunker common in 8th
>>94754598>picCute
>>94742280>>94742285Holy shit Anon, I literally just dug this Guy out of a box at my mom's house over Christmas. What you have there, is a MageKnight: Dungeons hero figure, Lord Oren. It was basically hero quest that could use any of your MageKnight figures as NPCs and monsters, and the heroes had extra boosted stats above their starting point, to represent leveling up. Some dude obviously chopped them off, and glued them to a GW base.
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>>94755625>Oldhammer Dragons certainly are at a Scale where a guy on a horse with a Lance can realistically kill them.Yeah that's what I like about them, they feel more grounded.>>94755657Stop embarrassing yourself captain autismo
>>94755846Core infantry was almost always an inferior choice in majority of armies, GW just can't write rules.
>>94755937>they feel more groundedDragons aren't supposed to be small anon
>>94755937>horse sized dragonsFaggot post WH dragons pics not some irrelevant medieval art
>>94755413>instead of being a gigantic mystical creature that would essentially be unstoppable.But thats what a dragon IS, and therefore what a "real" dragon would be. These things break armies.
>>94755970The vast majority of depictions of them up until a few decades ago would beg to disagree. But unfortunately we do live in that age of fantasy things needing to constantly grow bigger and be more magical and ostentatious and eventually, retarded. That's how we ended up with WoW and age of smegmar.>>94755991>general autissimo is still letting his autism go all out
>>94756049>The vast majority of depictions of them up until a few decades ago would beg to disagree.By which you mean "a specific kind of medieval art with its own specifics and conventions". Because you may be SHOCKED to learn this, but those medieval artworks were not trying for "realism".
>>94755899>>94755914>/tg/ deliversNostalgia bomb. Used to play that with my bros in the cafeteria during high school.
>>94756049Damn, how interesting. Quick question, what size was smaug again?
>>94755346Daemons are apparently pretty alright. A guy at my LGS plays them, he's been doing well. However, he plays Nurgle, so make of that what you will.An army dedicated to Khorne will be extremely fun, but also extremely volatile. If your opponent doesn't know how/doesn't want to bait out your frenzy charges, you'll have a great time. If he does... pray you roll well on your charge dice. If you can get past that, it's a Khorne list. It does what you expect it to do. I you go in with a positive mindset, you can still have fun even if you get charge baited. Red, especially bloody red, is an incredibly fun colour to paint. Slaanesh is Slaanesh, armies devoted to him are usually good. Fast, fun magic (not in TOW lol, go check out the lore of slaanesh in 6th) and very killy. Bitch and a half to paint properly, though, but if you use a white undercoat you'll probably be fine.I can't really comment about other game systems, as warhammer fantasy is the only version of warhammer I enjoy, but that's what daemons have always been for. The models will look better on square bases, but if you really want to play 40k, I won't hold the use of round bases against you.
Which Empire City is the best?Objective advantages only.
>>94756134>Damn, how interesting. Quick question, what size was smaug again?Small. Here's a painting literally made by Tolkien himself.Faggot.
>>94756215it dependsare you an engineer, Nulnare you a wizard, Altdorfare you a money hungry merchant, Marienburgare you a furry, Middenheimdo you like horses and strategy, knightsnof the blazing sun in Talabheim
>>94756215OstlandEasiest to flee into the chaos wastes
>>94756227I was gonna say, Smaug was inspired by Fafnir, the most famous dragon of myth, who was not that huge either.
>>94756280City of Ostland
Best lore for Mortuary Cult?
>>94755413100% agreed. Everything in modern fantasy needs to be huge but to me that makes it feel less heroic. Once you need to be a superhero to fight something it all turns into Dragonball Z power level shit.Like the modern griffon model is so large it could just roll over a unit of infantry like a dog.
>>94755899>>94755914>>94756102akshually wizkids acquired ral partha to use various molds for whirlwind onwards>t. huge mageknightfag
>>94756102MTG ruled the lunch hall in my highschool. >>94756401That is legitimately fascinating, and makes a ton of sense for how they were able to get so many moulds so fast. Thanks for sharing.
>>94755000yes i know!! ideally behind the fully painted minis>>94755012i like him hes very small though, and im having a bitch of a time assembling him…ill have to sculpt scales and shit around all the humongous gaps
>>94756401wait is that what happened to Ral Partha? I never really thought about why those blisters disappeared from my local shops back then.
>>94756433oh also i wanna stick a rider on him and ill have to make a saddle fuck me
>>94756049So what are you doing here? Because huge ass dragons are as old as 4th edition (ie. mid 90's), edition that marks proper WHFB. I don't know what this fakegrogging gives you.
>>94756512Why are you so flustered that some people like smaller dragons more, Austimus Maximus?
>>94756227>SmallYour dick is small. He's larger than WH noodle dragon judged by the size of skulls. Also>posting Tolkien made illustrations even when Professor himself denied that they are proper representation and are just his fancyGo fuck yourself
>>94756433I liked the old metal abyssal terror model that was the mount for the blood dragon vampire.
>>94756540I'm not flustered, just pointing out you don't belong here.
>>94755066I checked Sigmar's heirs, apparently it is in the North and East of the Empire that feudal law prevails and where the local lord still rules without j*ries and other sigmarite or, Ulric forgive me for uttering that word, v*renean influence.So Stirland, even if they are inbred, sigmarite and not of Teutogen blood holds the good and old custom of trial by the local lord dear.
>>94756627preferring different size dragons doesn't disqualify anyone from posting here. wonder why you're so enthusiastic to police
>>94756627You sound extremely mentally ill.
>>94756679Grognards think it is their duty to gatekeep. They are the same people that cried they were done with the hobby 15 years ago, but ended up coming back and buying the newest 60 dollar kit.
>>94756759first sentance may be true, and imo gatekeeping can be good, but we have no way of verifying the second.
Has the path to glory gotten a scan yet
>>94756863There is gatekeeping, and there is driving people from the hobby for trivial reasons.
I will exclusively use scaly porn face dragons, and none of you nerds will dare to make a single noise at the LGS.
>>94756875>>94756875The 6th ed chaos warband skirmish supplement? Yes. Even the additional rules from White Dwarf got scanned, but I unfortunately do not have them on hand.
Anyways, what is the best lore for Mortuary cult?
>>94757117Which lore do you think your liche priest (who I really hope has a name) would like to use?
>>94755899>>94756401Thanks for sharing anons.
>>94756433>ill have to sculpt scales and shit around all the humongous gapsI wonder if those were always there or if the mold has degraded.
What sre the general thoughts about the wolves of the sea army list?Seems great fun
>>94755899>>94755914Holy shit Anon! I posted THAT EXACT MODEL Sunday asking for folks to ID it, to no avail, I even went over to /grog/, and you show up unnanoucned and deliver the answer! Thanks Anon, you win the day.>>94756401Just keeps getting better!
>>94755899>>94755914>>94758112I also should have read the whole post rather than being blinded by the image. Still, thanks!
>>94756440I still got a blister of Battletech Elemental from them that my old local store found in a corner while moving to their new location, I got it for 5$.
>>94756284>Smaug was inspired by Fafnir, the most famous dragon of myth, Well yes, but no.https://voca.ro/1hemP5dG6Tk6
>>94758172>yes, uhm no because Fafnir wasnt always a Dragon but smaug is an intelligent Lizard hmm myes myesThis is the weakest ass deflection I've ever heard from Tolkien.Then again, he gets very defensive about his works being compared to the nibelungen despite the clear inspirations.Whereas his denial of those correlations are always rather weak>I say its not comparable, so it isn't, hm myes myes.
>>94758269Just curious, are you a twink?
>>94758277What kind of faggot brainrot do you have nigger.
>>94752833This just feels like one of those things like the decline of the Comanche and how high chief Quanah Parker ended his life as an 80yo man with bit parts in hollywood movies in the early 1900s, having been the son of a warchief and a white woman and leading thousands of warriors to raid and pillage before getting memed on by the american army.
>>94752505Light wizards are the only specifically no-girls allowed club
>>94754722>snotling mechthats actually a great idea. Now i need to find an appropriately ramshackle mech STL.>>94745309im using pic related, theyre pretty low detail and worried the low/high fidelity may clash, but im probably just being pedantic.
i quickly did a couple of simple variations of the banners that I'd previously composed (using the purple that's described in WD#291).but which one looks better iyo, left or right (in either case)?
WHRP question.I think I got all the basics down, is there any place I can read about WHRP campaigns, to get a better idea of how it actually goes? A lot of the book seem to be "figure it out yourself", with wizards being either common or rare, few XP rewards explained, and I'm still not sure how you are meant to build your characters.
>>94758380Citation? There are other depictions of female Light Wizards. Earliest I can remember Dave Gallagher's concepts from Blood on the Reik which is 2005.
What are some must haves in a wolves of the sea list? And is it even worth running ?
>>94758475>I'm still not sure how you are meant to build your characters.Maybe the step by step instructions in the 'creating a character' section?Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, but it's right there.XP is the GM's decision and depends on what pace you want. 100xp average per session is a good start.Wizards are as rare as the GM wants.
>>94758468Bottom right looks better, and the top row are about even. I'd recommend using a more saturated purple and making sure it borders black rather than red directly
>>94758561I don't mean rolling a character, I mean building them, as if making a character build. I see some nemesis that have very high stats and very high skills or talents or whatever they're called, but I wonder if you are meant to focus on stats first, then raise your skills, or the opposite, since skills are cheaper.That kind of stuff, you know?
Where are the legacy army PDFs? All I can find are a bunch of dead links
>>94758269Get life
>>94756879Quality gatekeeping is good though.
>>94758535Skin Wolves and Huscarls
>>94758580>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/links worked fine for me
Is Nuln army good?
>>94758569There are no builds.I mean, the system is easy to abuse. Just, I don't know, pick an elf and put all your xp in melee (basic).But that's utterly antithetical to the spirit of the game. I'd recommend rolling up a character you think is neat, then just going with the flow, taking advances that look fun or applicable to the campaign as and when they come up. The best abilities depend entirely on the nature of your campaign, which is driven by the GM and (if the GM is good), the players. In my game, for instance, Etiquette (Nobles) is probably the most powerful talent, and combat skills just end up gathering dust.
>>94758641>In my game, for instance, Etiquette (Nobles) is probably the most powerful talent, and combat skills just end up gathering dust.But... is it fun? I mean, I get that Warhammer plays totally differently from D&D, but I can't imagine a TTRPG where violence isn't the answer to everything. Except maybe World of Darkness, but this one is all about roleplay. And shitting on fascists.
>>94758569You are probably making this too complicated for yourself. But personally: I take combat-related skills first just to survive better, then potentially talents that are important for my character (roleplaying-wise or because they allow the career to effectively do what it's supposed to do), then distributing the exp among skills depending on how I feel about it. Stats at the end (again, personal preference) or whenever the GM hands out more EXP or we succeeded with party- and personal goals.Some skills and talents can be skipped if you feel like they don't offer much, but also don't hesitate to take something because you think it fits the character. Seasoned Traveler for instance is a talent hardly worth 100 XP, unless you actually do indeed travel around, and even then, language skills are also of dubious importance. But on the other hand: would an academic character be complete without some Classical?Some talents you might want to take immediately, like the once for casting spells and miracles or their respective careers.Don't feel like you need to "powergame" and jump between careers to make the most of your character to get access to different skils and talents. Taking non-career skills and talents and paying double is often a waste of EXP.
>>94758656>You are probably making this too complicated for yourselfYeah. But since I can't play it (not enough spare time), I can only read the book. And reread it. And wonder how it plays.That is why I was asking if there's a campaign detailed somewhere to see how it actually plays. And with 100XP per session, it looks like progress is really slow, though.But yeah, I get what you mean. Sounds like progress in the game is really slow, but every talent you buy can make your life a lot easier.I'm just honestly a bit confused, because if I got it right, your basic stat go from 12 to 30, and a normal roll adds nothing, so, by default, with a starting character, you already have only 30% chances to succeed. AT BEST. And it just sound so fucking abysmal that I keep wondering if I misunderstand it because starting character just sound so shit at everything.
>>94758673>and a normal roll adds nothingStandard difficulty adds a +20 by default. +0 rolls are hard difficulty. That's explicitly stated.So average stats + some points in a skill + 20 standard difficulty gets you around 50 to 60 chance at the start of a game.The first few sessions are misery simulators still, since characters indeed start pretty inept. Mind you, the first career levels are always someone like an adept, a squire, a trainee basically. This is by design, and the GM should treat them as such.It's a good idea to treat the first few sessions more light-hearted and comedic, unless the GM wants a misery simulator. It's the second career level where "builds" come into their own.
>>94758695I see. I read that dang book several times and there are still parts I don't remember or remember wrong, how annoying.
>>94756284I've always felt that dragons are a bit overdone and monstrous serpents are more inherently sinister.I mean you have tonnes of fantasy stories where good guys ride dragons but when is the last time a good guy rode into town on a giant snake? Snakes are so obviously evil that they're the original form of the big bad in the Bible, and its a giant serpent (Jörmungandr AKA midgard serpent) that Thor fights during Ragnarok. The sky/storm god vs the sepent is a common motif throughout indo-european based myths:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*Perk%CA%B7%C5%ABnos#:~:text=In%20a%20widespread%20Indo%2DEuropean,reconstructed%20from%20the%20attested%20traditions.Giant serpents > dragons IMO
>>94758651>But... is it fun?Absolutely. It's just that in this particular campaign they're Machiavellian rat-bastards rather than murderhobo rat-bastards. Violence is often a solution, but the PCs are wealthy enough to employ others to enact it on their behalf.You need to broaden your horizons, my lad. Warhammer as a setting is sophisticated enough that there's many more ways to be a cunt than simply shanking someone in the ribs. You can sue them. Frame them for chaos worship. Sabotage their business. Poison them. Blackmail them. Destroy their reputation. The world is your oyster (GM-depending).
>>94758765Maybe because serpents are real and genuine assholes who killed people through all of human existance.
I'm curious how people felt about 6th edition rules like high elf honours and wood elf kins and sprites as they seem quite similar to Bretonnian virtues. Was the reception largely positive for more customization or were there people concerned about homogenization?I have never moved beyond 5th and am completely ignorant.
>>94758610> 1+ Halberdiers> No core Knights> No Demigryphs> No Wizard Lords> OPG your Handgunnner *detachment* (IE 5 models) can fire in 2 ranks and your Helblaster can buy VanguardNo
>>94758610>>94759175I think they'd be more interesting if they committed to the theme and gave them more mercenary options. As it stands they can only take the same ones everyone else can.
>>94759227we might be getting more Mercenry options in a separate Arcane journel at some point
>>94759024Customization is always cool. Even if the meta choice is clear from the outset, having more ways to play the game is nice. And those rules are almost always a great excuse to convert and kitbash and paint your models differently.
If you had to choose between a chaos "Wolves of the sea" or orcs - Which army would you choose as your 2025 project?
>>94759526Orcs as Wolves of the SeaAt the start of the game one of the orcs is trying to make a name for himself
>>94759526orcs, easybut I'd go mostly with third party models, avatars of war built a nice range
>>94759555does any lore exist for Orcs living in Norsca?
>>94759556Have been looking at the highlander orcs, they looks okay.But have a box of black orcs I can start with
>>94759563Who says they have be Norscan orcs and not just a bunch of raiders?
>>94759584once made a necromunda pirate themed orc warband, with some savage orcs mixed in.See if I can find them again, and use them as characters
>>94759606>Necromunda*Mordheim
>>94759628Savage orks as berserkersTrolls are get some bigger orks for skin wolves Squigs as houndsetc...
>>94756227>Small>posting a picture where he lies atop a mountain of gold surrounded by tiny fucking skulls of the entire kingdom he killedK.
>>94759526Wolves of the sea. Its not even a difficult choice. Theres simply a lot more of a gameplay and hobbying challenge there, orcs are braindead to collect and play.
>>94759774>tiny fucking skullsThey're dwarves, of course they're tiny
>>94754742Empire's population is actually smaller than you would think, so you don't need as much farming
>>94754987>Why would anyone want that?Spears
>>94759896what even is the population of towns and cities in the Empire the numbers presented in the gazzeters are far too low for the Empire to be a working country
>>94756333I mean historically you have needed to be a demigod, favored by a god, or use some magical item that is essentially a super power. There's not really any myths about something mundane like a regular knight with a regular lance killing a dragon.
>>94759925Yea, this is comically low. Something something "fantasy writers cant into numbers".Especially considering you need like 10 men working normal jobs to support 1 soldier logistically or something, 100 for a cavalryman/chariot.
>>94759925>what even is the population of towns and cities in the Empireenough
>>94759782Not sure about more gameplay, but for sure more fun ways to convert something up
>>94759935I think they tried to explain it later with a justification of the Number only represents taxpayers above a certain threshold or not and even academics in-universe don't understand how it works take pic or the expert from an Oldie Weird Article>We settled down to a good meal and some relaxation before what we knew might be a fraught day’s travel across the Hägercrybs. Soon a discussion developed about our host town. It certainly seemed to have a large militia given its humble size.>‘This is because of the silver smithing and the local mines,’ explained Professor Gronighof.>‘But even so,’ continued Pfaff, ‘according to the Gazetteer of the Reikland (Siebenkabine Press, 2510 IC) the town has a population of 250, while there are 125 members of the militia.’>‘Well, there is your first problem,’ Gronighof opined. ‘The Gazetteer of our Grand Prinicipality famously has its population statistics based on an obscure methodology that only a few academics can fathom. Of which, I can say I amone,’ said Gronighof proudly.>‘What is the precise methodology, then?’ demanded Pfaff, rather irritated by his colleague’s smug demeanour.
>>94759925Not necessarily, Europe after the black death still functioned despite only having about 2 million people left across the whole continent, and I don't think the empire is meant to be the size of europe.
>>94759944???
>>94756333>Once you need to be a superhero to fight somethingBut that was always the case, all fantasy heroes are superheroes, theyre not normal dudes. The fantasy of "the gritty average joe winning through luck and pluck" is some modern american bullshit. The classical hero is a demigod inherently superior to everyone else as part of the natural order. He comes from some ancient bloodline, usually either royal or divine or both and is ordained and blessed by god and fate as a chosen one and fucker of shit. THATS why he mows down armies of normal dudes or fights dragons, because hes just built different and built better.
>>94759958>I think they tried to explain it later with a justification of the Number only represents taxpayers above a certain thresholdOkay, thats a LOT more reasonable. And yea, if you x10 every one of those numbers stuff makes a lot more sense. 400,000 is a reasonable number for a big city.
>>94756333>Like the modern griffon model is so large it could just roll over a unit of infantry like a dog.But it CAN do that. Its a behemoth, it will fuck some normal human infantry the fuck up.
>>94759982Middenheim is a bit odd as that was the one city where people complained the number in the gazetteer was too high as it was originally numbered at 400,000 in the initial PDF release of the Middenhiem book which is a bit silly considering the amount of living space on the plateau must be quite small going by the map at least even if it like Medevil Edinburgh and 65 people are squashed within a single tenement block
>>94760069The idea that middenheim is "just" the bit on the mountain-top is also kinda silly. The city would have outgrown the fortress ages ago.You would have the old city/fortress bit, and then suburbs ringing it/around the bridges.
>>94759227>committed to the themeWhat theme?
>>94760118that what Warrenburg is in the gazzeter the town underneath the Middenheim plateauand there are plenty of cities during the early modern period that didn't expand at all until much later Edinburgh is one such example
>>94759982>400,000 is a reasonable number for a big city.No, it fucking isn't. That would be the biggest city in 16th century Europe, with roughly the double population of Paris at the time.Or second biggest, if you count Constantinopole as Europe (about 600k).
>>94760118Not really silly, remember that Altdorf at some point begun to expand upwards, can't think why Middenheim should be any different. Also ignore shit like this map >>94760069, people who made it are fucking morons.
>>94760196News flash: warhammer is not irl
>>94756333You're just saying things completely unrelated to WH. Also you're dumb.
>>94759774Bruh, Bilbo is like 3 feet
>>94760214Middenheim is limited by geography unlike Altdorf which was built on a flat riverbank Middenheim is on the top and sides of a mountain, which will always limit population and building space
>>94752521I think that the Imperial Light Magic tradition comes indirectly from Khemri by way of Sudenberg, the Empire colony in not-Africa; so it makes a sort of sense.
>>94759898Buying spears on top of it make it even more retarded. You're now paying double the price of zombies for shitty ws 2 chaff.
>>94760228Indeed, if anything it would have even smaller cities considering how everybody dies all the time
>>94760272Stop trolling
>>94760317No.
>>94760348ok retard
>>94760366Not refering to Bilbo's height but the fact you try to pretend that JRR's ilustrations represent real inworld stuff. Thing he said himself is not the case. Retard.
>>94760383ok autismo
how do people visually differentiate between their slann priest's wizard levels? is there lore on this stuff? i have 2 old ones from fifth edition if it matters.im not really a fan of lizard men and was just making a small army for completeness sake
>>94760687Arent slann always level 4?
>>94760069As per Enemy Within, Middenheim's City Limits extent 30 miles around the Ulricsberg.
>>94760687I see no reason why you couldn't differentiate 2 slann by simply painting them differently. Perhaps you could have your favourite colour be used for your level 4 slann and your second favourite colour be used for your level 3.
>>94760687Also yes, Slann are always level 4. Did you mean skink priests? If you did (and you don't have different models), you can just paint them differently.
>>94760687Maybe you could give your stronger one some additional bling, or add an impressive decoration to his flying chair?
>>94760687not reallybut here's some potential avenues>the older the slann, the bigger and fatter it gets>the older the slann, the more sci-fi its throne is, with latter gens getting carried by sauri>the younger the slann, the more active it is and the more vibrant its skin patterns get
>>94760728that's the Duchy of Middenheim not the city it's like saying Luxenburg city limits expand out a bit when that is just the land controlled by Luxenburg itself
>>94760849New Slann looks not bad actually.
>>94760895Its a nice model, but it is a bit big and unwieldy. Although it does explain why its a large target.
>>94760118No you wouldn't, because Warhammer is not some shitty Yankstanian hellhole. Every time in history when people have had natural fortification and felt under threat - which in the context of the Empire is "all the time, always" given what lurks in the wilderness - they've built as far up as they physically could, then down, then simply packed themselves in tighter. >>94760069's mention of Edinburgh is a perfect example, and we didn't get our nice shiny New Town "suburb"(for rich cunts only) until the late 1700s once we weren't having a slanging match with the English every other Thursday anymore and people felt comfortable living outside the city walls. Old Town tenements could hit 13 or 14 storeys on the "open" side of the slope.Modernity has completely warped people's perspectives of population, distance & travel times, and the size of cities. A "realistic" Middenheim would have a populace of around 50K. Since it's a fantasy world and Mallus is bigger than Earth, 80-100K is plausible. Half a million? Edinburgh barely has that population *today* and it's spread out to cover an ~8 mile diameter area.Only history nerds who also happen to appreciate fantasy fiction should be allowed to write for Warhammer, every time some drooling "genre fiction fan" type is let loose on it the degredation increases.
>>94760923People also underestimated how densely people were housed back then.People lived in a single room hovel with 3 children and the goat.
>>94759961>only having about 2 million people left across the whole continentlollmao
>>94759227>>94758610>>94759175not sure if OWB is wrong but it looks like they can't take state missile troops, which seems a little odd for Nuln. I get that outriders are core but why an arbitrary restriction on a weaker unit? Also the road wardens in rare is bs, why would you take them over hellblasters and stanks?
>>94760923>Every time in history when people have had natural fortificationThey eventually outgrew them. Or did you think rome remained the size of whatever the initial city wall was? Or vienna, or constantinople, or any other number of cities.You dont have a city around for thousands of years as a major population center and have it conform to the geography of its founding, thats simply fucking nonsense, eventually someone would get the bright idea of "I want to live in the big city" and realize there isnt any fucking room, so they will do the next best thing and settle next to the big city and walk a bit instead. And thats how a city grows. >b-but the empire is at constant warAs opposed to the peace and stability of medieval europe, right? It is not under 24/7 siege, of it wouldnt have ANY population. If leaving the mountaintop/walls was a death sentence then the city would have already fallen. The city must obviously be able to exert its influence and safety some distance, and therefore people WILL settle outside the immediate safety of the walls. Those settlements and people will suffer most when it DOES come under direct assault, but those direct assaults are not some everyday occurence.
>>94760895the palanquin is way too bulky for my taste, even the new kroak's throne is better, once you remove the orbiting bits but it's a nice kit with some options and considering the amount of third party slann prints available I can't say anything against it really
>>94754449Where's that model from?
>>94760692>>94760817mage priests are lvl 1 and mage lords are lvl 4, so that must be a later evolution>>94760796>>94760818I was trying to be lore accurate and just assumed there be some established tropes of lizardman cultural hierarchy>>94760849darn. making a mold just to mod it into a fat lizardman seems like a lot of work. thanks though
>>94761231>mask2019 CSM legionaries shoulder pad (trimmed down)>headdressA bit from something slaaneshi, not sure exactly what, but maybe ssyl'esske>staffSkulls set (cracked bloodletter skull)The rest is sculpted by hand, probably from greenstuff.
>>94761343>The rest is sculpted by hand,new use for my unused stash of nasir minis
>>94760984Rome, Vienna and Constantinople are all major trading cities on rivers where the terrain is somewhat flat and easily buildable so outward expansion is possible which a place like Middenheim isn't if someone wanted to move to "the big city" their only option was to build up or live in the slum at the bottom of the mountain
>>94761343Damn that's impressive
Tomb Scorpions are insane. I paid 70 points and disemboweled a 360 point Dwarf king.
>>94760895the actual slann looks good, the throne is fugly
>>94761481Yes. Them having HKB is silly.
>>94761343I'm half tempted to just learn something like blender and design/print the damn thing. Either that, or be lazy and pay someone else to either.Seems a hell of a lot easier.
>>94761559greenstuff is honestly not THAT hard to do, especially if youre just going for vague boobs or whatever. Also probably a far more useful skill than printing.
>>94752719Fun fact, because they shot that on a nuclear testing site, everybody who ever even walked on set for less than a day died of cancer!
>>94761567That model - and I say this without any disrespect - is actually very "approachable" in terms of skill. Its great, but its also the level of skill which I figure a regular hobbyist could reach without being some greenstuff god. Its not this shit.
>>94761567Greenstuff is easy enough to work with, I just don't always feel like mucking about with it. Plus, if I have a file, I can expand on a general idea without haven't to do everything from scratch again.
I come to you with a problem, /wfg/. I'm working on my marauders and they're coming along nicely, but I now have to decide if I want to commit to giving them the mark of Khorne and painting them to appropriately represent that, or if I want to make them look as if they have the mark of chaos undivided. Aesthetically, I'm really interested in seeing how they would look like just splattered with blood paint. However, I don't think that would be a very fun choice on the tabletop. My warriors of khorne have already failed me several times and I'm worried that this regiment will perform similarly. So, I turn to you for advice. Do I go for what I think will look better, or do I go for what I think will play better? This isn't so much a question about competitiveness as it is about simple fun. I want to use these guys as a flanking regiment to support my other infantry blocks. If they're frenzied, they won't really be able to do that effectively.
>>94761558They have both regular and Heroic KB. Only Chariots, war machines and i think swarms are unaffected by a scorpion instant death attacks
>>94760152Rich as fuck and loose morals (based von Liebwitz family). Enemy Within painted Nuln as pretty cutthroat and capitalistic even for Empire standards, from what I remember.
Is there a point to this dude when Helborg exists? He seems pretty cucked bith crunch and fluff-wise>Karl Franz's personal champion>Kurt is the one that actually represents KF and has his Runefang
>>94761662Maybe don't go all out on the red, and make standard bearer(s) with icons of Khorne/Chaos Undivided so you can switch as needed?
>>94761881Yes, this one is the one you take in a game with KF because he isnt invalidated by him.Helborg is a beatstick, karl is a bigger beatstick, schwarzhelm is a support character (BSB) with some bite.
>>94761881I think both are neat.
>>94761231Yup. It's a pretty great job
>>94762038oops. meant for >>94761343But as for your question, a reddit user did it, just as the other anon described.
My chaos warriors got delayed by another day. I’ve waited for these things for the past two weeks. I want to hobby.
>>94761881>Is there a point to this dude when Helborg exists?to have both
all this talk about varghulfs cooler bro tomb scorp makes me sad. I’ve got 5 50mm based undead monsters of various varieties I cant even squeeze into 3k.Also morghulStrigoi being a level one - I thought 30p for a chance at hammer handing isn’t the worst for the one turn it might go off all game. What do anons think?Vs chaos# ++ Main Force ++ [3000pts]## Characters [1496pts]Master Necromancer [210pts]: General, Wizard Level 4, Necromancy, Spell Familiar, Sceptre Of De NoirotMaster Necromancer [241pts]: Nightmare, Wizard Level 4, Necromancy, Spell Familiar, Skull Staff(nightmare)Strigoi Ghoul King [485pts]: Dark Acolyte, Beguile, Wizard Level 1, Battle Magic, Sword of Kings• 1x Terrorgheist [185pts]Tomb Banshee [90pts]Tomb Banshee [90pts]Wight King [154pts]: Great Weapon, The Accursed Armour, Crown of the DamnedWight Lord [136pts]: Shield, Battle Standard Bearer (Banner of the Barrows), Great WeaponWight Lord [90pts]: Shield, Skeletal Steed, Great Weapon, Ruby Ring of Ruin## Core [866pts]Crypt Ghouls [96pts]:• 10x Crypt Ghoul [9pts]• 1x Crypt Ghast [6pts]Crypt Ghouls [90pts]:• 10x Crypt Ghoul [9pts]Dire Wolves [40pts]:• 5x Dire Wolf [8pts]Grave Guard [390pts]: Drilled• 23x Grave Guard [12pts]: Great Weapon• 1x Seneschal [6pts]• 1x Standard Bearer [56pts]: Drakenhof Banner• 1x Musician [6pts]Skeleton Warriors [115pts]:• 20x Skeleton Warrior [5pts]• 1x Skeleton Champion [5pts]• 1x Standard Bearer [5pts]• 1x Musician [5pts]Zombies [70pts]:• 20x Zombie [3pts]• 1x Standard Bearer [5pts]• 1x Musician [5pts]Zombies [65pts]:• 20x Zombie [3pts]• 1x Standard Bearer [5pts]## Special [433pts]Black Knights [226pts]:• 6x Black Knight [28pts]: Barding, Lance• 1x Hell Knight [6pts]• 1x Standard Bearer [46pts]: Standard Of Hellish Vigour• 1x Musician [6pts]Fell Bats [60pts]:• 4x Fell Bat [15pts]Spirit Hosts [147pts]:• 3x Spirit Host [49pts]## Rare [205pts]Black Coach [205pts]
>>94761881Zoomoid go home
>>94762264OK, I got back home from work. Now what?
>>94762243Here’s the map! Forests are forests, I’ve got stacks of round bases I replace em with when stuff goes through them.Usually go a bit heavier with cool terrain but 3k so didn’t want to block maneuver it too hard.
Does overkill from wounds happen outside of challenges?E.G. A model with 5 attacks kills a 2 wound character by getting every hit and wound throughIs that 2 combat res or 5 combat res?
>>94762446Just challenges friend, overkill only occurs there to a max of 5. all excess wounds are wasted.
>>94762461Cool, we did that because we couldn't find anything about non challenges
>>94762473P.211 for future reference, remember you can always search the pdf for ‘overkill’ and just go through the results.Take any pics of the game?
>>94762528Not that one, it was super last minute because my opponent's original opponent cancelled so I stepped in for a game with him and I didn't think to take pics because I made a list when I arrivedPic is from a game on Sunday thoughYes my opponents dwarves were unpainted and the table is simple, but it was a learning game so KISS was the vibe
>>94762600OofI need to paint those magnets, I don't like that shine
>>94762038It is, but you can see that its pretty "rough". 100% something "you can do at home"
>>94762600Reasonable anon, I ran a new player with a 500pvc list as their first game vs my skaven infact, and yeah I certainly limited interactable terrain.Mat looks nice.
>>94762776wfg can be picky bitches
>>94758813>Frame them for chaos worshipWhat if they're actually Chaos cultists?
>>94762600this is a one of a kind picture. it's usually always the skaven army thats completely unpainted and never the dwarfs
>>94763016That's when you tell them you'll let them run away to Norsca if they rat on their fellow cultists but you send them off on a boat with a skinwolf who hates their guts while you watch from the clifftop with a telescope, a bottle of Echte Brandenburger (KF's favourite brandy) and a Hochland Long Rifle (for taking potshots at any survivors).
>>94763335I mean... One of the things I noticed when reading the rulebook is that it seems rigged to create conflict and drama, but with one thing in common.No matter if you worship Ulric, Ranald, Shallya, or nobody, or are a knight, a noble or whatever.EVERYONE. HATES. CHAOS.So I imagine the wanted group dynamic is everyone bickering, until some poor chaos slop arrives.
>>94763368My party's entire motivation for hunting down the chaos cult trying to start a civil war is that they found out the cult was piggybacking off their own attempt at starting a (small) civil war themselves.They don't want a bunch of chaos worshippers to break Magnus' treaties. Only patriotic(ish) imperial citizens are allowed to do that.
>>94763416That could actually be very fun to play. You learn of a chaos cult, but you can't call in the witch hunter because you have your own dirty laundry and you'd rather they keep their nose out of it.
>>94761614Make the file, anon. Give all of us shortstack lovers a boon.
>>94763242I have about 6000 points of painted Skaven and I just got a bunch of OLD skaven (for free!) like clanrats that I'm turning into gutter runnersI love my dysfunctional boys
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>>94763598https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2V1VKlFSDM
>>94761609Your work?
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>>94761954I have either made a terrible mistake or a fantastic decision that I will never regret. At least my opponents won't be confused as to whether or not they have the mark of Khorne. No more blood paint for my next 3 projects, I need to stop relying on it so much when I don't want to paint the fiddly little details anymore. Now all that's left is the banner.
>>94764249These guys belong in the stripping jar now. You have my condolences.
Whats the best all around loadout for a Dwarf king on shieldbearers?(and runes)
>>94764274See, I thought the same thing right after I started bloodying up the first one, but they're really starting to grow on me. They're even bloodier than my warriors. I'm probably going to regret this in the morning, but it is what it is for now. I'll at least use them in a game or two, these guys were more of a proof of concept than anything else. Great practice for painting muscly skin, too.
>>94764343bro are you retarded, put that shit on a tooth brush and flick it on. LMAOYou have fucked up your entire squad rip
>>94761662all this work and you did that i actually CANNOT
>>94764249You got a little carried away, hehe. Maybe next time flick the blood with a brush.
>>94764249not to worry bro a little bit of cum mixed with tooth paste should remove the blood but not the paint
>>94752428Do dwarfs have a reverse Book of Grudges?Like they have a book that records the good deeds other races or other clans did for them?
>>94764981A book of honor would not sound as hardcore as a book filled with your hated enemies
>>94764249That looks like shit
>>94765420it would be funny though if the book of honor was more like a pamphlet because dwarfs are so curmudgeonly
>>94761662>>94764249Sad to say but you ruined a perfectly good paintjob.
>>94764249Those marauders got lost in the sauce
Only have a box of black orcs that are soon to be done - What should I add next?
>>94759931Didn't St-George did that?Granted, he had the LORD with him, but still, he had regular gear and he was a regular guy.
>>94759931I agree that new Griffons and Hippogryphs are less so special mounts, and more so giant monsters with a dude on top.If the beast becomes so massive, the rider and their weapon becomes an irrelevant afterthought, then it is no longer knightly, its just a dude on a monster Take the old Hippogryph Breton for example, he still looks like a Knight despite the monstrous mount.
>>94759958>>94759925If you take the old german definition of a Bürger, that could make sense. As of the general population of a town or city very few were actual Bürger, or full citizenship. Those people are shareholders of sorts of the Town, as they are allowed to join the decision making process, but also have to act as guarantees for any debts or consequences incurred.If a bumfuck town in the empire has 43 "property owners" but something like 500 serfs and rentees, that would make sense.
How to best use the Goblin Wolf Rider Mob ?Load outs and unit sizes?
Oh hell.
>>94765985dorky ass snake
>>94765999It's a fucking sea dragon.
>>94765999the janky game is trying it's best
>>94766027Please don't call it janky. It tries its best.
>>94763713God I fucking wish. No, its some stuff I found on facebook. If I could make stuff like that I wouldnt be shitposting on a mongolian basket weaving forum.
>>94765711>rode his horse to the moon in some versions>not special
>>94764249Going to have to second what people have already said, I think you overdid it. The base paintjob was decent and now its really hard to see. At least they wont look out of place next to your khorne warriors.
>maybe I can proxy Kings of War ogres for warhammer ogres>they cost almost the same, give or take 5 bucksI don't know who needs to hear this, since I constantly see people shill proxies, but I'm not going to spend 38 dollars for a knockoff when the actual product is 43 dollars on ebay. Chinese knockoffs worked because it was like 15 bucks for a japanese product that cost 50. Once the prices are almost the same you're not actually saving anything, just getting something you don't really want to save a little cash that won't matter. You're better off not buying at all, in that case.
>>94766067Normally I'd find this hot....but it's a beastman, that poor boy is just going to have his anus ruined.
>>94766173Pretty sure its a girl.
>>94766186Nah, it's a boy. An innocent little shota, who is about to get fucked in the ass until he loves it.
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>>94766197Just like that boy. He's not going to enjoy what's coming.
>>94762437Turn one. Somehow kemmlers skull staff completely shuts down the 5 or so chaos lvl 4 casters and their spell battery marked units. I reserve move everything thanks to positioning for the big spells.
>>94766071You know, you're right. Objectively, you guys are completely correct. I messed up. But, within context, I think they're okay. I actually kinda like them. I'll have to see how they perform on the table. I'm not very optimistic about a 360* LoS unit that has frenzy, but at least they can be chaff. 97 points worth of chaff, but chaff nevertheless. A potential 20 attacks at WS4 S5 might even be pretty good too. I think I'll call them the Sons of Bathory.
>>94766283Madness happened. I baited some frenzied khornate greatweapons into the perfect position with the direwolves, then anhiliated them with the coach and was perfectly set to overrun into the giant which I’d put curse of years on and was tagged by ghouls that very turn. And I overran 3” I needed 5”.fml The giant ate the ghouls and reformed facing me to charge and he charged in his turn, rolled 6 s7 attacks. And missed them alll. My turn . The cairn wraith on top rolls two hits, two sixes to wound. Giant fails his saves, rolled 2 6’s again for the d3 damage of the scythe and just kill him in one turn. Madness
>>94766298>I'm not very optimistic about a 360* LoS unit that has frenzyWhy? Theyre almost guaranteed to get the charge, and its such a short range charge that they cant even be baited "properly" if you position them right.
>>94766298>them the Sons of Bathory.Bathory was the inspiration for carmilla, thats like, fundamental vampire stuff. Also if youre worried about them being baited, just be more aggressive with them. Its unironically the way to use frenzied units. Go balls deep, you dont have to charge the nearest unit, just charge, so as long as theres a good target youre golden.
>>94766306The rest of the game was super tense until this moment captured when my opponent conceded after turn 4 vampires. In the state you can see his flying 500p demon prince ground to one wound through crumble by a black knight unit he just couldn’t cut through thanks to challenges, the black coach caught in a brawl with a daemonic mount sorcerer and a chaos chariot. And the tbat after eating the chosen knights swung around to scream the character to death embroiled in the combat with Csm great weapons(he was thankfully on one wound) while the banshee made a huge charge allowing her to scream into the lone sorcerer who walked through the cemetery gates and was one turn from spiking my general. I did debuff that bad man with -2 ld before this scream. He rolled 12 for his ld. Failed all his saves, and promptly conceded with his daemon prince about to fall.I’ll post some pics of the big clash
>>94766343Tbat and banshee launch into the combat.
>>94766347The line collapsing as the push of battle let me break my opponent.>>94766298They look fun together anon, and as you say there will be no doubt what mark they have.
>>94766367Comfy game. Thanks for sharing.
>>94766197Nevermind, that was a strange thing to say. Also,>fish hatlol
Apply for inpatient psychiatric treatment, you sex crazed creeps. Or just cut your own cock&balls off before you diddle a kid, I don't give half a fuck. This general became impossible to use ever since you began to shit it up.
>TQEither Ze Lady or Battle Magic. I wish Illusion wasn't garbage
Do you prefere the beveled standard GW bases, or more flat mdf bases
I was just bored and thought I'd have a go at coming up with ideas for AoI for the Legacy factions that would come from their hypothetical Arcane Journals. I was using the trends from previous AoIs; basing them around old forgeworld monsters like we got in Troll Horde and Wolves of the Sea, putting in cavalry heavy AoIs which they like, and reusing old lists from 6th edition (Royal Clan). Dark Elves>Cult of Pleasure, basically just using the list from Storm of Chaos maybe with a few additions here and there for units that have maybe been added since>Cult of KhaineMaybe called something else so it's not just two Cult lists, but this also seems another obvious choice for Dark Elves to haveVampire Counts>Army of SylvaniaMaybe give it a different title so it's not *just* Sylvania and it can be used to represent a Lahmian host, but still the same principle as the Cult of Pleasure of just reusing the 6th edition list.>Cairn HostsAgain using the 6th edition lists, basically a vampire-free vampire list with necromancers and tomb kings leading it.Ogre Kingdoms>Ogre MercenariesNo Hunters and a lot of the other more Mourn specific options Ogres can take (Yhetees, Gorgers, etc.) Maneaters are a core choice and can take Halflings (Gnoblars can't be taken), the Ogres mounted on Rhinox can be taken.>Lazarghs (probably called something different)No Tyrants, Bruisers, or Firebellies. Based on Ogres living closer to the Great Maw so some more cool stuff for Butchers/Slaughtermasters. 0-1 Gorgers can be taken as Core and Dread Maws are a Rare choice.Lizardmen>Cult of SotekSkink heavy list, no Saurus heroes or Slann can be taken and the Saurus stuff that's core gets pushed to Special>Chosen of the Old OnesThe elite army list, representing the Slann and their personal warriors, loads of cool buffs to units and extra artefact options, Dread Saurians can be taken as Rare.Continuing in next post
Skaven>Clan Pestilens Going back to copying from 6th edition, but with a twist in that some of the old Tamurkhan stuff is back for it (just the Nurgle stuff), Plague Priests get a new lore>Clan MoulderMoulder sorcerer as a new option and then all the cool Forgeworld skaven monsters there used to beChaos Dwarfs>Guardians of HashutBring back the Bull Centaur hero model (make him generic), no levy units allowed, and 0-1 bull centaurs are core per 1000 points>Slave HostBasically the opposite of above, add some more levy options and stuff like that, some of the old forgeworld monsters like maybe Curs’d EttinDaemons of ChaosStruggling a bit with this one because the obvious answer (one for each god) is a bit lazy imo and doesn’t fit the rule of 2 per journal>Legion of the Dark PrinceBe’lakor’s dudes, add rules for some more undivided/loosely aligned daemons (kinda like the Horus Heresy list), and if a daemon can be taken as undivided (DPs Furies, etc.) it must be>Daemon CultistsRepresenting the people who worship and summon daemons in the first place. All the unreleased Fimir models are here as well as the ones they did release, and then rules for some cultists and that. Daemons can be given a rule similar to “Beneath the Sand” representing them being summoned in (maybe with a rule that it has to be less than x inches of one of the mortal units representing them doing the summoning)I know it’s not a perfect list, but curious of people’s thoughts.
>>94766693Are there any rumors or hints that any of the legends faction will be getting any sort of update?
>>94766689I have an irrational hatred for these
>>94766697I think wargamer Rob said we might be getting some next year, but I'm not really talking about that and just engaging in some fun hypotheticals.
>>94766713well that is a good reason to use them
>>94766693>Maybe called something else so it's not just two Cult lists, but this also seems another obvious choice for Dark Elves to haveCorsairs.Watchpost patrol.City guard. Beastmaster menagerie.Highborn party.I think theres a lot you could easily do, a lot easier than doing cult of pleasure which would require a lot of crossover with WoC and demons.
>>94766811Cult of Pleasure is a really cool list but yeah it might be better off not necessarily in the Arcane Journal but in a campaign supplement like it was originally released as. The Beastmaster one would allow them to do the cavalry heavy list that they've been pushing in half the arcane journals too.
>>94766831Beastmasters is probably more "monster mash".Cav could work for either watchpost patrol (dark riders) or highborn (cold one knights and chariots). I think you could do something really fun with a more elite army that tries to bring in the dark elf politics stuff, maybe bring back intrigue at court from the old HE list
>>94765848I guess this is what happens when GW no longer has history buffs/nerds in their employ
>>94765848Wasn't this same kind of documents that had Tilean places like Alcatani have shit like 80 people and explicitly said 60 of those were part of the Pikemen DoW unit?
>>94767033That would be silly.
>>94767033Up in Arms? Yeah, the Tilean population stuff was a bit whack, considering that its a relatively peaceful place, has good climate and trade.Granted, Alcatani in lore had just been hit by a marauding army, with most of its farmers going with Rodrigo as mercenaries, but it's still silly>>94767043Lo and behold
>>94767033probably this GezzaterI think at some point C7 just stopped putting numbers in them since they were not necessary for the Gazzeter's original purpose
>>94767102in higher resolution
>>94767121>>94767121>>94767121Migrate
>>94767115and the last page of the Gazzeter
>>94766849As to what I mean, have the army work around two ideas: "retinue units" (every highborn (master/dreadlord) must have a retinue unit purchased to them, only they may join that unit and if able MUST join that unit. They may not leave the unit under normal circumstances). Maybe have retinue units receive a slight buff or something, but idk, a more lenient force org chart might be enough)"the court of naggaroth", your general is randomly determined from among your highborn characters at the start of the game. If your general dies/flees the battlefield you must immediately roll for each other highborn character in play, and receive results from starscream esque "I am the new general"! to immediate fleeing since they have no other ties to the battle to a redoubled fervour as they want to prove themselves and become the next leader. Further every unit of highborn treats every other unit of highborn with suspicion, if they star the turn within 6" of each other and not in close combat they need to test to see if they function as normal or if they waste the turn either just watching the other for signs of treachery or maybe even engage in some impromptu backstabbing.
>>94767110>>94767115How is it that Luccinni has a smaller total population than Pavona? Thought the former was bigger territorialy than the later
>>94767138Remas has a bigger population than both of them anon
>>94767134Beyond that: No corsairs (what self respecting noble is accompanied by bilge rats?), no witch elves or executioners. Shades moved to rare. Bolt throwers more common. Cold one knights are core, but you can only take one unit per highborn character. Cold one chariots can now form units (same restriction as above, either/or with cold one knights).On a turn in which they charge all cold one units reroll 1s to hit and wound.
>>94767162Didn't realise. Do we even have a map showing the borders of each tilean principality/republic?
>>94760984>I'm just going to ignore the extremely apt example from the post I'm replying to that completely BTFO's my whole argument, nobody will ever notice...It's a bold strategy Cotton let's see if it pays off for him.And eh, what happens when your man there settles down in his nice little house outside the city walls - which in the case of Middenheim means "at the bottom of a basically-unclimbable cliff, with a mile+ long causeway between him and any help from the city" and some beastmen or goblins or orcs decide to have a bit of a jolly out of the forests?Also, you're once again allowing your retarded modernity-brain to warp your perceptions. Warhammer exists prior to the industrial era that drove both massive population growth *and* pushed that populace into cities to be where the work was. The Empire's society is early-urban mercantile agrarian, outside of great port cities that are hubs of global trade cities are not metropolises, for literal centuries they've been the place where the local nobility live in safety with their chosen retainers, servants, and support peasantry and only in the last hundred years have they started to grow with the emergence of a mercantile "middle class". Most "cities" had a few thousand people in them for hundreds upon hundreds of years because there was no way to make a living in a city when your economy is entirely based on growing stuff in the ground and plundering what neighbours have grown. There are almost twice as many people living in modern Greater London than were alive in the entire UK during the period of history that the Empire draws from. I know it's a struggle, but put aside your ego for a moment and just try to comprehend that and its implications. Most places that are occupied by people now were occupied then, but there were *1/12th* the number of people. Hmm, I wonder what you get if you divide the modern population of Edinburgh by roughly 1/12...oh look at that, about 50K.Read some fucking books ffs.
>>94766689GW bases and good luck selling anything based on mdf lmao. Pretty much cutting the value of your models in half.
>>94756453Why would you want a saddle to fuck you?
I don't know if this is a change to the old empire timeline, but I'm all for it. This is the perfect conditions for /yourdudes/
