This is a general for OSR, seperate from /osrg/, where you CAN talk about AD&D 2e, retroclones & other general OSR. This general exists (and is seperate from /osrg/) due to trolling on /osrg/ making discussion impossible.Previous thread>>97275418
hopefully this one stays up
>>97301927Lets start off with maps, post your creations.Heres a map i made, feel free to use it or riff off it.
>>97301942I suspect it got taken down maybe because i went into too much detail on what happened to /osrg/Seems jannies dont like that.
>>97301950What is the context of this map? Like, is it just a generic dungeon or…
>>97301927Fuck your copycat threads, fishfag.
>>97301927>This general exists (and is seperate from /osrg/) due to trolling on /osrg/ making discussion impossible.Kill yourself, fishfag. YOU are the troll who was trying to make conversation on the REAL /osrg/ impossible. And now you're trying to steal the general by making copycat threads.
>>97302089Honestly there should be a thread for old school divergent systems. Let the two coexist. But the thread should change it's name.
>>97301950Is that some sort of religious complex?
Good to know there is a thread to discuss all OSR games in general
>>97301950This looks like a fun map to run a defense scenario through. After the players initially "clear" it, some large outside force begins to lay siege and tries to overrun it with little losers, and the players really have to pay attention to their resources while calculating how long they can hold out.I've run a few situations like that, and the players really had to get clever with how they monitored different areas and otherwise maintained their defenses.
>>97302449That looks like fun, also I'm nta but might steal the idea
>>97301927Why is this not called 2E general ? Wtf is wrong with you
>>97302506Fishfag has made trying to steal /osrg/ his whole personality.
>>97302144>Honestly there should be a thread for old school divergent systems. Let the two coexist.Uhhhh... >>97162687>the thread should change it's nameTrue tho. If he's got to todd it, he should call it /todd/.
This is the wilderness setpiece I wrote up after I rolled in a deleted thread. It's a bit shit.nocturnal lake[OC] This lake was once a notable waypoint and water source for spice caravans making their way across the flats of the north while that trade was still ongoing. It is cursed with forgotten magic, and only appears at night. While it is extant, it is at most knee deep, the water being good to drink and extremely clear and pure. As soon as direct sunlight hits it, it disappears as if it were a mirage, leaving a shallow dry lakebed in its absence, which is indistinguishable from the surrounding land. It would not be impossible for an uninformed traveler to find himself suddenly in the middle of this lake, as the old markers and warnings have mostly degraded away. Crossing the lake during the day was the notorious tradition of the passage of most direct northern spice routes, and many met their doom at sunset from a broken wheel, or a caravan slowed by too heavy a burden, or some other manner of delay. The lake is populated by a multitude of many legged slow swimming creatures, which swarm intruding material and seem to appear in the deeper central area of the lake at sunset, which they spread out from. These creatures target any foreign material and drag it down to the lakebed to fully submerge and smother it with their bodies, breaking it apart if need be. Anything that is covered in this way disappears at sunrise with the lake, but does not return. The water can be collected, and if direct sunlight hits this sample, it will disappear with anything submerged in it and not return.
>>97302898>broken wheelwasn't really thinking when I wrote that, doesn't really paint the picture I wanted. Pretend I wrote 'sick animal' instead.
>>97303866now I'm seeing lots of things that I should correct, but whatever, it's kind of ok.
>>97302898It's a neat concept, and it leaves a lot of questions that can be further explored (why is it cursed, who cursed it, etc.), but it would be nice if some things remained buried in the dried mud at its center (like maybe some gold). I'm guessing it all goes to some asshole Marid's treasure hoard though.Also, that water sounds like a horrifying way to execute people. Having them half submerged and waiting for sunrise has got to be unpleasant.
>>97304052Sounds more lovecraftian-alternate dimensions than genie magic.
>>97304360Funnily enough one of my ideas about what could be causing the lake was some extradimensional creature repeatedly injecting its digestive juices into the world and sucking them out.
>>97302010Its a temple dungeon dedicated to a dragon cult.
>>97302506>Why is this not called 2E general ?I posted about 1e and 2e last thread but that would be off topic in a 2e only thread. I was going to post about BX as well but I had to finishing shovelling the sidewalk before my parents got home.
>>97304620>stomach acid lakeYou need something cool to signpost this.
>>97302898Good OC anon. I like what you've made.
Whats your style of maps OSRG? do you like thin walls, thick walls, highway coridoors, zones? I'm a big fan of dwemmermounts personally.
>>97306654I like thin wall stuff. They look nice and can fit more stuff in them.
>>97306654>whats >dwimmermounts>do you like thin walls, thick wallsMan, thin walls or thick walls? Its so hard to decide.On the one hand I like thin walls because they take up less space, but on the other hand thick walls are great because theyre more sturdy.I cant decide, but this is a very important question to be asking. Thanks for bringing it up.Whats youre opinion? This is the kind of good quality discussion I come to this thread for! Such a good conversation starter! Almost as good as "goblins or kobolds?" man that was a good one too. Whats better? I cant decide, but we had a great discussion over that one too.
>>97306506Its good OC. I like it as well. So good. And thank you for saying its good content, thats good commentary. I like these in-depth organic discussions. Theyre increasing my appreciation for good content.
>>97302469Its very fun indeed. And your comment is also very good, it contributes to the discussion. I might steal that map and also your comment.
>>97302399Its good, isnt it? I like that theres a thread to discuss this. And I also like that you commented that you like that theres a thread to discuss this. Do you like my comment?
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>>97302010Id also like to know more. Would you say those walls are thin or thick? Would it be better if the map was redone with thicker walls? Or thinner walls?
>>97306654I make the party make their own maps. I'm lazy.
>>97307137Interesting! Do you prefer it when they draw them with thick or thin walls?
>>97307174I don't mind, but they never draw thick walls. What's so important about wall thickness?
>>97307218I think thick walls are better, but I dont mind thin walls either. Although I think I prefer thick walls.
>>97306654Avenue maps are fun as they help players orient themselves better. See chubby funsters video on dungeon design, really helped me amp up my style.
>>97307276Good take. I agree, avenue maps are good. But also maps without avenues can be good. It all depends on how you draw them.
>>97307276>>97307491Good discussion. I also think avenue maps are good.
>>97307729Interesting take. I think maps without avenues are perfectly okay and not in any way inferior to maps with avenues.
>>97307241>>97307771These are thought-provoking comments. I was wondering, should avenues have thicker walls than streets?
>>97307791I don't care much either way, I think avenues are overrated.
>>97307800Really? Avenues amped my style. How do your players orient themselves without avenues? Dont they get lost?
>>97307805to be perfectly honest i dont know, i havent played a game yet. but i do like to read books. have you ever run b4? whats your opinion of it?
>>97307812i havent run b4, but i think its good. stonehells pretty neat
>>97307824b4 is my fav. if i ever run it i will do the sinple option. if they dont find food and water in 2 real life hours, they die.
>>97301927NO THREAD QUESTION??? I WILL ASK ONE>whats your fav saving throw?
>>97307841great question. ill vote for paralysis
>>97307846close enough. mines petrify
>>97307851theyre the same save though, arent they
>>97307854technically theyre different saves with the same DC
>>97307857i think the bests paralysis for goblins but for kobolds petrifys better
>>97307864i prefer kobolds to goblins independently of the save
>>97307841>TQmy fav saves dragon breath. its really amped up my style
I guess if I wanted to talk about birthright I'd be forced over here? What the fuck is this thread even?
>>97307922"AD&D" 2e is not OSR. You could try on /nusrg/ or create a /2eg/ thread.
>>97307922Yep, this is the place. Ignore the evermad troll who comes here because he's otherwise lonely in the threads he's killed.
>>97307935Read the OP.Also, leave.
>>97307922>I guess if I wanted to talk about birthright I'd be forced over here? What this Anon said >>97307935, 2e is not welcome on OSR threads.>What the fuck is this thread even?This is a copycat thread by fishfag = 2etard, the /osrg/ resident mentally defective dagon worshiper who's been trying to take over /osrg/ for years. He's such a subhuman that he's never played D&D once in his life and he's even unable to create a character sheet that isn't chock full of glaring errors, we have proof. But despite this he has made these attempts to take over a general for games he doesn't even play his whole personality.The thread is used by fishfag to samefag and by the /osrg/ regulars to mock fishfag. It's great in its own 4chan-style retardation kind of way, but you're very unlikely to get any helpful reply here, it'll either be mockery or a useless reply by someone who doesn't really play games, let alone know the rules.
>>97307935>2e isn't old school>birthright(1995) belongs in the 'new school' generalYou're fucking with me
>>97307967I will never not post in OSR threads. If you don't like it, adopt a different name.>>97307976"AD&D" 2e is not OSR. Whether it's "old school" is a different question and one without a definitive answer because "old school" is subjective and relative to a person's individual age: If you're young enough, 3e might be "old school" for you.Either way, it's a bowdlerised knockoff for the storygaming special education kids of Satanic Panic moms and absolute garbage made for reading instead of playing.
>>97307976Nope, these retards pushed the goalposts on what is acceptable in /osrg/ and got away with it as it was just after the 4chan takedown and the diip in users. see >>97307974 as proof of itAlso they have no authority and just ignore them.
>>97307974>>97307935>>97307994You have no authority or say outside of your own subjective opinion. and objectively youre retards, This thread exists because youve inflicted the /osrg/ with your presence and made actual discussion impossible , because you cant help but be such blindingly autistic faggots and try to turn it into your own personal echo chamber.
>>97308011This is just moral yapping, it doesn't matter what your justification is or how good it is in your own mind for making a copycat general. I'm talking about cause and effect. If you create a copycat general, the regulars of the general will shitpost the fuck out of it, that's just a simple inevitable consequence. Whether you're the good guy in your own mind is immaterial, how hard you seethe is immaterial. There is no general anywhere on /tg/ or the entire board that will just accept a takeover attempt calmly and do nothing.
>>97307994Read the OP. Also, leave.
>>97308023you literally copied the response from the previous thread faggot lmao.
>>97308026>Read the OP.I have: It says "OSR", so I post here.>Also, leave.No. If you don't want me to post in here, call this general something that isn't "OSR"./todd/, for example.
>>97308029You've been trolling /tg/ for years, and you learn about copypasta only today, fishfag?The endless ways in which you're mentally defective never cease to amaze me.
Reminder to ignore the troll.Do not reply to him further.Laugh at him though. Laugh at his weakness.
>>97308043i agree, his hijacked thread is dead so he came here to stir up trouble. in the meantime, i finished floor 2 of my oneshot, very excited to give it a run.
>>97308029He's copied a great post, showing he has good taste and is based. Read it carefully.
>>97308029Here it is in its glorious context, fishfag.
>>97308043>Laugh at him though. Laugh at his weakness.
>>97307922Birthright is one of those experiments that I wish managed to live a bit longer so it could be fully realized.I really like the whole "The Manticore" instead of "a manticore" thing.
>>97308067Again with the one-liners with no actual content. LMAO fishfag you're not even able to simulate real discussion.
>>97308067Birthrights good. Very good. Do you like it?
>>97308082its one of my fav experiments.i like that they say "the dragon" instead of "a dragon". definite articles really amp my game up
>>97308086thats a very profound observation. shows youve a lot of experience running games. I think ill start saying the ogre instead of an ogre too. Its really good advice
>>97308094sorry i meant its THE very profound observation. my game is not amped up enough yet
>>97308094youll get there. my players that i totally play with really love it when i say "make THE dragon breath save" instead of "make A dragon breath save". really amps up the game. ive noticed they start to draw thicker lines after i say that, and orient themselves better in avenues
I had a look at the trainwreck of the previous thread and there were anons posting 2000's era reaction images and collages of posts (grim). To be honest I think I'll just assume the worst: all the anons involved here and on the other general are faggots and I'll probably just make my own one off birthright thread when I feel like it
>>97308067Honestly the whole settings gorgeous.its one of the best for domain play, which i wish we saw more of.
>>97308114You should still post here regardless of their shitflinging. ignore it and post earnestly.
>>97308082It's hit and miss.It kinda reminds me of Eberron, where a lot of it has a mechanics-first approach with lore rationalized afterwards. The basic conceit of divine rulers competing over divine-rulership-points is just about as blunt as it can be.But, it does do domains well and the transparency it has allows players to feel powerful and in control, all without being bogged down with too much bookkeeping. You could do a hell of a lot worse.
>>97308128i honestly like the focus on domain level play as the core gimmick of birthright, also the low magic schtick its got going on. Game of thrones (which ripped off birthrights iron throne) proves that it as a setting has plenty of potential for a political intrigue campaign.
>>97308114You need to just learn to laugh at the troll'powerlessness and ignore him. It's not hard to do, all of his posts reek in the same fashion.
>>97308048yeah im grateful this totally not dead thread is totally alive.things ive learnt this thread:>thick lines or thin lines>players need avenues to orient themselves>say the manticore not a manticore>you need to have a favourite save>goblins vs kobolds, which is better?such a goldmine this totally alive and successful thread in which anons with lots of actual play experience are postingalso b/x clerics can fight with daggers and can have a +15% xp bonus due to high wisdomits really amping my game up
>>97308136The low-magic mixed with HUGE POLITICAL POWERS is a neat dynamic.
>>97308148i like it. it's good, it's really good.
>>97308136its true its like game of thrones but its also like eberron
>>97308128Wow it sounds like you do have a lot of experience running it. These are very specific comments that could only be written by someone who's actually run a campaign in it and not just read it.
>>97308136You too! Your comparison with Game of Thrones shows that you have also run an actual campaign in it. OP has a TON to benefit from these comments giving actual play advice rather than generic positive things without any actual content.
>>97307976>You're fucking with meWelcome to the insanity that is the BrOSR "logic".
Jesus christ this thread's existence has convinced me that OSR is for homosexual faggots.
>>97308442I mean, it's almost inevitable for it collect the worst kind of people.The worst people in any hobby are always the ones who try to erect some sort of hierarchy or structure based on fallacies, with seniority and tradition being the two biggest that these sort of people lean on (before we get into nasty shit like gender/race/etc.).In the RPG community, if you want to find the crustiest, least-likable old men with the most backwards ideas and opinions, it's hard to even imagine a more ideal subsection than the OSR.It's a shame though. OSR games are great and have a lot of ideas worth preserving, but it's getting harder and harder to appreciate the apple for all it worms.
>>97308661It's the duality of the OSR.On one side:>"Hey guys, check out this monster that's some some sort of nightmare elephant, it may be one of the earliest examples of alternate-dimensional beings in D&D. I wonder how the game would have ended up if it went in a more Conan/Lovecraftian direction than the angels/demons/etc. direction it ended up going."And on the other side:>"Brother in Gygax (pbuh), we must secure a place for our preferred system and reject any but the most pure."
>>97307976"Old-school" in the "Old School Revival" sense doesn't mean "is old," it means "follows the old game design philosophy" rather than the one that replaced it, which was the "new school" that is now commonly seen as the standard or traditional style of TTRPG gameplay -- which is sort of: "Jump on the DM's wild ride for an Epic Story™ that will Recreate Your Favorite Fantasy Novels™," basically. This school of thought began to appear in t he 70s within a few years after the appearance of D&D, during the explosion of the TTRPG space and all the new games and ideas that came out, but it wasn't until the latter days of AD&D 1e that this particular style began creeping into D&D itself. 2e is when D&D began to be rewritten in order to (badly) facilitate this school play style, hence why it's dubbed the "new school" as opposed to the "old school" -- the terms are entirely D&D-specific.inb4 fishfag seethes and copes and posts his alternate histories again
Why does the troll come here when he knows he's unwanted and no one is reading his posts?Is it because that's true in every thread he posts in?
>>97309154>"Jump on the DM's wild ride for an Epic Story™ that will Recreate Your Favorite Fantasy Novels™," basically.Storyfaggot detected, opinion discarded.
Hello,Working on an ADnD sandbox campaign and I wanted to know if there were good ressources/rules for diseases in game? Like different types, how they affect the PCs, how to contract and cure them, etc.Thank you in advance.
>>97306654My favorite kind of maps are ones that fall into two extremes. Extremely naturalistic maps based on real-world structures that don't feel like they're part of a game, and an endless expanse of 10x10 foot rooms with doors set at the cardinal positions.
>>97307841>TQIt has to be magic wands
>>97309344>an endless expanse of 10x10 foot rooms with doors set at the cardinal positionsBased. Makes for great adventures if the DM is a good storyteller.
>>97308176Game of thrones my fav book
>>97309325Pg 13 and 14 of the DMG has your basic disease rules.Faerun has a lot of funky diseases if you want to give out stuff like Mindfire, Throat Leeches, or just straight up Cancer.https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Disease
>>97308115its such a gorgeous setting. thanks for saying this, i agree. excellent take
>>97309216yeah why doesnt he leave us alone hes ruining the thread
>>97307841Polymorph & Petrifaction
>>97309302So people correctly called you and your preferred edition 2e "storyfaggotry" and now you're trying to discredit the term itself by acting super retarded, is that it? Because yes, that bit you quoted is describing "storyfaggotry," and not in a positive way.
>>97307073i agree its a good comment
>>97309415thats a very good save i love this conversation
>>97309429whats wrong with stories rpgs are stories, its my fav part. like when you kill a kobold and the dm says how do you want to do this and you go like i want to cut its head off like thats a good story even if a bit short
>>97308927they like gygax? why he was a drug addict, a republican basically a fash, and he hated women with all the prostitute jokes. why are people so horrible? i like 2e because it makes me feel safe
>>97308661yes the worst people play osr. like alexander marcis hes such a fash. he was even banned from reddit
>>97308142>b/x clerics can fight with daggersthats so cool next game i want to play a cleric who like fights with two daggers can i use dexterity so he can be like very agile?
>>97301942it stayed up im very happy. thank you guys for all the good conversations. dont feed the troll
>>97309216It's assumed that he's in a nursing home. He clearly has no job and no life, and his advanced age and limited cognitive ability all line up. Being unwanted and everyone just waiting for him to die has made him bitter beyond what any of us can probably imagine, and we all just have to endure it like his orderlies have to endure him.
>>97309575>fishfag's in a nursing homelmaoNo, it's pretty obvious he's retarded from birth. If he were old he'd have played at least one game in his life, and fishfag hasn't. Remember his broken character sheets.
>97309606We're talking about you.Read OP and leave.
>>97309364Magic Wands is a good save. Thanks for contributing to the poll.
>>97309617Good luck with that, we've been telling fishfag to leave for years, but he keeps pestering the general. I have no idea why, it's obvious he's never played a single game in his life. Must be some kind of autistic fixation.
>>97309508>he was even banned from redditHe was?? That's horrible, what did he do?
>>97309647He literally promoted slavery there.
>>97309652That's disgusting. Thank Gods the reddit mods are keeping the place clean. r/OSR is such a wholesome community.
>>97309647He and his discord would brigade and shill and otherwise break the ToS.You know, do shady shit like spam and flood in threads. Just generally being obvious and obnoxious trolls.Ha ha. I wonder if they'd act the same way if they ended up on a different website after being banned from Reddit.
>>97309531>can i use dexterity so he can be like very agile?Ask your dm. That's a great character concept, a Cleric with daggers. I think it would make for good stories. I would allow it.
>>97308115this is a great comment.its a very gorgeous setting. the most gorgeous setting. we have very gorgeous settings but that ones the best one. i wish we saw more gorgeous settings.i love this thread, so much constructive conversation.
>>97309667The thing I still don't get is why the BrOSR trolls think they can also be pro-ACKS and not have it be obvious that all their lies about caring about design philosophy are not total bullshit and that it's all just trolling at its core.
>>97309659Yeah I love r/OSR too. It's a very good community. This one is good too. Good conversations. Like the one on thick lines vs thin lines. Very instructive.
>>97309617Don't feed the troll. Fishfag will never go away if you keep doing that.
>>97309728So what? Everybody's welcome here. If you don't like him you should leave.
>>97309733>Everybody's welcome here. >you should leave.Instructions unclear
>>97309741lol that was smart
>>97309745thank you
>>97309747You're welcome. You can stay. But please stop feeding fishfag.
>>97309751OK deal
>>97309758Let's shake on it.
>>97309763*shakes*
>>97309766okay good, lets talk about games now.
>>97309487Yes, I find the prostitute tables on the DMG really a bit disturbing and unwelcoming from my female players. Luckily they were removed for 2e.
>>97309796*unwelcoming FOR my female playersSorry for the typo, now it looks like I'm a sexist. I swear I'm not.
And yet, it still sounds less forced.
>>97308927>"Brother in Gygax (pbuh), we must secure a place for our preferred system and reject any but the most pure."Based. Have a Gygax.
>DM wants to do a "hardcore OSR" campaign>DM keeps telling us how deadly it's going to be and how unforgiving he's going to be and how he's going to make everyone his bitch>it ends up being the softest B/X game I've ever played, mostly based around killing goblins while saving basic puzzlesI understand the need to hype up the sense of danger, but there's some thresholds that need to be observed.
Reminder that this is a fishfag copycat thread and only used for samefagging, circlejerking, and making fun of fishfag.The real /osrg/ where all the /osrg/ regulars who actually play hang out is here: >>97275514
>>97310294Games are like haunted houses.Even if no one's really gonna die it's still fun to act like they might.
>>97310515It's the machismo though. He was hyping things up like he was gonna act like the toughest DM who's ever lived, and looking back I feel like an idiot for thinking that could have been the case.I think the "tough dm" legend may finally be dead. It's not really a point of pride. People are less inclined to ask "how did you survive for so long in [that notoriously antagonistic DM]'s campaign?" and more inclined to ask "why did you put up with his campaign for so long?"
>>97309972Reminder to exercise regularly and only use diet-Cocaine instead of the full calorie stuff.
>>97309972What kind of shitty map is that.
>>97309647>like alexander marcis hes such a fash. he was even banned from reddithe sure posts a lot for someone being banned on reddit
>>97310956That subreddit has like 500 people. I don't think even Reddit is aware it exists.
>>97310978My onlyfans subreddit has more members, and all I post is pictures of my feet painted green.
>>97310956It's the "OSRG Free to post incorrect bullshit about ACKS" edition, anon
>>97309704The BrOSR and their love for ACKS is just one of those things where shit sticks to shit.
>>97311170>BrOSR>love for ACKSYou're still clinging to that nonsense, huh?
>>97310978True, yes, ACKS is pathetically unpopulardoesn't change the fact that muhcris was indeed not banned on reddit, and moreover has a subrreddit to market his games
>>97311281Yeah, he was just blacklisted from r/rpg, r/osr, and some other related subreddits.
>>97311382well what do you know? this seems to be truefunny thoughsee a lot of similarities to ackshills' behavioral patterns on this board as wellold habits die hard I guessif it's any consolation I'd personally prefer you to stay on plebbit
>>97311241Hey, don't look at me. I'm just as baffled as you are pretending to be.https://bdubsanddragons.blogspot.com/https://enragedeggplant.blogspot.com/2025/01/review-acks-imperial-imprint.htmlhttps://jeffro.wordpress.com/2015/12/09/why-acks-is-one-of-the-best-rpgs-on-the-market/But even people who call themselves BrOSR are open about how they make an exception for ACKS.People on other websites noticed this oddity too. Here's an example from three years ago of someone noticing.It's pretty weird for a group categorized as being uptight purists who want to try and dictated what the true and proper way to play is and generally rely on labored stories about what they imagine was the traditional way, and yet they carve out a huge exception for a game like ACKS that barely qualifies as an OSR game with all its superflous rules that even include 3rd edition style feats. It's some INTENSE hypocrisy, but about exactly what you'd expect from a group as hated as the BrOSR are.
>>97311515>In addition, reading it is inspiring – you can see the passion of the author and his competence. I cannot even imagine how difficult of a task writing these books was, but I am sure that the author feels satisfied. The art is great too.LMAO that blatant poorly written full tongue-length rimmingit's almost as if muhcris had written the review himself and sent it over with a hefty bag of marketing budget shekels
>>97311554>The art is great too.I love him tossing that in at the end.It's like he looked at the gunned-down remains of his shattered dignity, moving from room to room in the house that was his integrity and seeing every corpse he was responsible for, and then found the last remaining shred of his soul, bawling in its crib in the upstairs nursery, and he thought "Hell, might as well" as he put his gun against its head.
>>97311606that's very poetic anonbe honest, did you steal it from somewhere?
OSRG Free, unhinged seafood-scented seething about ACKS
>>97311664Lighten up. Tell me >>97311554 doesn't make even you chuckle a little.
>>97311664>unhinged seafood-scented seething about ACKSthat's funny, I don't see a single word against acks as a systemapart maybe from >barely qualifies as an OSRwhich is just a semantic speculation and doesn't say anything about the quality of the game per seit's almost like you are assblasted maybe? check your rear
>>97307857That's crazy talk. There are five saves in AD&D and a different five saves in BD&D. That PPDM is the save against a paralysis attack, a poison attack or a death magic attack doesn't make it three saves, it's one save with the types of attack it's used to resist listed. The reason the "DC" for Rods, that for Staves and that for Spells are the same number is because it's the same save.>technicallyTechnically Basic says there are five saves, literally it lists two then says there are three others but as that total is less than the number of fingers I have on one hand I managed to count that high.One of them is Paralysis or Turn to Stone. The anons who prefer paralysis and petrify have the same preference if they're talking about basic because it's the same save.>with the same DCTechnically, in AD&D petrification is under the second column and paralysis is under the first column because it is a different save. Those two columns never have the same value in the same row.I know what I wrote about the number of fingers I have on one hand. Either it was a joke or I'm polydactyl.
>>97309154>"Old-school" in the "Old School Revival" sense doesn't mean "is old," it means "follows the old game design philosophy"C&C used a DND3 core.DND3 didn't follow this imaginary headcanon of yours.But C&C is archetypal OSR.You're wrong.>2e is when D&D began to be rewritten in order to (badly) facilitate this school play style1e was already doing this. Why are you pretending to be unaware of all the hatred directed against UA, and at OA, WSG, DSG, especially at their creation and expansion of NWP and the change in design philosophy that these things represented?Don 't bother answering, we all know it's you lying for your agenda.
>>97308109That make you insist upon is getting in the way of total immersion and full amperage>SAVE versus THE dragon breath!
>>97308035>No. If you don't want me to post in here, call this general something that isn't "OSR".You're just aping the helpful advice you read in the false /osrg/ about change its name if it's not actually going to be about OSR. Which it isn't.
Ignore faggots seething about this threads existance and post maps
>>97309718>extremistsThere's a third way. Medium lines. You know I'm right.Character sheets should also be written on with 4B pencils so you don't squash the paper or have to rub the easer too hard when you've changing details. If you live in a country that doesn't use the HB system for pencils, learn to translate. Don't tell me that you record HP somewhere other than your character sheet, especially don't tell me you use something other than an official TSR designed sheet with atiny trapezium box provided. Don't tell me you write HP around this box so you don't rub through the paper after repeatedly changes. That's philistine behaviour.
>>97312124Fuck.*THE tiny trapezium box.
>>97310978>500 peopleAnon, /tg/ has less than 6500 posts a day on all subjects.
>>97312255That's 500 all-time members. They have a weekly visitor count in the 80s./tg/ used to get as many as 20,000 unique daily visitors. Back before certain types of people started to try and drive everyone away.
>>97312055i recognize your mom in the north west lol
>>97312587These people want some sense of control, to act like they have an echo chamber dedicated entirely to them. its impossible to be that as its a public space. people will keep coming in, they can ever keep coping and hopelessly attempting to gatekeep a never ending tide (Which they will ultimately lose,) or they can just shut up and let things return to how they were.
>>97312636>a never ending tideMeanwhile, actual posts about games in this thread: zero.
>>97312055>ESL retard>post telling others to engage by contributing NOTHING of actual valueHi fishfag
>>97312700You know you're lying about a thread, in the thread you're lying in?You have a bad habit of just hard lying and hoping people will take you at your word for some inexplicable reason. Is that how things operate in your echo chambers?
>>97312055LMAONot only fishfag is unable to create a character sheet, he's also unable to create a map so he retorts to posting random shit from plebbit to simulate engagementhttps://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/17jur64/my_latest_map_in_the_dungeon_that_never_ends/What an absolute literal retard
>>97311915>But C&C is archetypal OSR.It's kind of a shame that C&C's legacy got complicated thanks to the Gary's death and the unexpected legal barriers that followed.
>>97312780*reSorts t. phonefag
>>97312783Culo & Caca RPG is garbage. There's a reason nobody plays it anymore. Not that it's an issue for you, fishfag, since you've never played a game in your life, cannot create character sheets, cannot draw dungeon maps, and only like to read splatbooks because you have no friends.
>>97312737Right, you've had great discussions with yourself about thick lines vs thin lines and what the best saving throw is. To people who are not mentally defective subhumans such as yourself those are NOT discussions, you absolute literal retard.
>>97312587Meds
>>97312124>Medium lines.Wow. Such a great take. Really good quality discussion here. An unstoppable tide of good quality discussion. This is the quality content that will save /tg/
>>97312840Fishfag believes if he blames the decline of 4chan on /osrg/ making "AD&D" 2e off-topic that will win mods over to his side.
>>97312783As someone who doesn't know about those legal issue can you give me the cliff's note version? I know its basic rules differences but C&C just passed by almost unnoticed because my friends played 3e and there was no way they were going to give up their hundreds spent on books to change to a new system. They also liked feats and prestige classes which wouldn't have helped things.
>>97312855You haven't even said which side of the line line you're on have you. It's because you're one of those medium-thick types isn't it. Shameful.
>>97311915>C&C is archetypal OSR.(You)
>>97307967>>97308026>where you CAN talk about AD&D 2e, retroclones & other general OSR>nooo not like that reee leavelmao, gay
>>97312922The legal matters are unrelated to the rules, which is ironic.Troll Lord Games was heavily invested with Gygax. Aside from publishing his Lejendary Adventures, they worked with bringing a lot of his old material, often with names subtly and not-so-subtly adjusted, into C&C, while also having him write new stuff for the "Castle Zagyg" line that formed C&C's backbone. They were really putting all of their eggs in the Gary basket, hoping to ride him into success.So, that basket tips, and Gary's widow gets Troll Lord locked in a right's battle, basically paralyzing the company for years, with his widow also having a bunch of other legal battles with Gary's kids, and the whole business regarding who owns what and how much Gary hated his own children gets incredible complicated.
>>97311606Fucking hell.
>>97307841Saving throws are a failure of design. The game should just kill you and the bad shit should just happen to you.
>>97313094All that's aside from the fact that C&C is mediocre, the SIEGE system is busted, and other than "Gary made stuff" it has no selling points. The OSR proper came straight out of grog's disappointment with C&C
>>97313308this is just moralfagging
>>97313308Hey, lonelyman. Here's a pity reply, since it's probably been your first real reply from anyone in a while.C&C managed to tap the true "old school spirit."It's a good thing that C&C wasn't a 1:1 recreation of a previous system or even close. It was an odd game with some bizarre design decisions and a wide mix of influences, but what it sought was an open-hearted appreciation of older games WITHOUT feeling burdened by maintaining any strict legacy. It wasn't an Old School Restriction nor Old School Restrainment, it was an Old School REVIVAL, a new path rather than retrodding (let me throw in it wasn't an Old School Retroddment in as well) of well-worn roads.If the OSR started in the needle-dicked fashion of your style, it would have died out much like OSRIC lays largely forgotten, rather than the OSR proliferating and expanding as it did. C&C showed everyone that the OSR was wide and wide open right from the start, and that's probably why you've spent two decades being mad at it.
>>97313403inb4>"F-F-FUCK YOU FISHFAG C&C IS NOT OSR 2E IS NOT OSR ITS NOT ITS NOT ITS NOT ITS NOOOOOOOT"
>>97312587>/tg/ has HUGE NOOMBER during covid lol no shit you idiot
>>97313403>the OSR proliferating and expanding as it did.its all POSR now.
>>97313403>C&C sucked and is forgotten, and here's why that's a GOOD thingkek
>>97313403Don't even give him pity replies. See what it does to him?
>>97307995>/osrg/ hijack thread gets insta moderated>This thread is ignored moderation wise and trolling reports are ignored.
>>97311554>I cannot even imagine how difficult of a task writing these books was, but I am sure that the author feels satisfied.This is sycophantic gold.
>>97313551>keep trolling thread >posts keep getting deleted The system works.
>>97313514He was gonna do it anyway. He might have even done it less than he normally does because he briefly felt less alone, finally getting a real person to pay attention to him.
>>97313409>If I say I'm fishfag NOBODY will know I'm fishfaglmao
>>97313551>40 hijack and copycat threads created>all instadeleted or buttraped nonstop by /osrg/ regulars in them>still hasn't realised that THIS is the containment threadThe innumerable ways fishfag's theory of mind is defective never cease to amaze me.
>>97314394There's no such thing as a 2e campaign, as you've amply proven by being unable to produce character sheets and play reports despite whining that it's not OSR nonstop for years, fishfag
>>97314401I dont need to prove anything to you, trollcowyou having your autistic fits so openly shows everybody in the threads, you literally bite any bait youre given. also ACKS is not OSR
>>97314394>got kicked out of a 2e campaignBased if true. Man, I wish I could crash a 2e campaign just to make fun of the storygaming special education retards who run them.
>>97314419>I dont need to prove anything to youYou obvious felt you needed to when you shared two character sheets so full with errors Anons are still laughing at you for them.
>>97314419>He still believes that if he says "trollcow" enough that will make the board forget that he's fishfag.So it's true what they say about your theory of mind being broken, eh?
>>97314427>>97314430>>97314433>Trollcow still bites every bit of bait he is given, autistically raging>Anons can clearly see this.Your sperg crusade to bar a game from /osrg/ because...You dont like it personally, and it has rules you dont like, is entertainment for people here. it doesn't matter what your justification is for why 2e is "not osr" its purely just opinion pieces, and your sources are...Some random post from 2009, as if theyre an authority on anything?I can post character sheets that have FAGGOT and NIGGER hidden in them and you take them so autistically literally you cannot see its making fun of you.Any slippery slope fallacy/strawman/appeal you can make on why you shouldnt have 2e in /osrg/ >("B-but people will storygame! people totally will pick up 2e as their first edition and it will be Ravenloft & dragonlance games everywehere! think of BX!") is proven wrong because the thread actively is made worse with your presence.people would actually talk about the OSR if you left, yet your crusade to control a public thread on a public imageboard website, that anybody anywhere can post to regardless of whatever you want will happen. Sooner or later the goalposts you attempted to shift will move back to allowing all OSR stuff and it will be a proper OSR general again. Until then, keep falling hook line and sinker, like a fish, faggot.
>>97314430For posterity
>>97314453>Fishfag saying "trollcow" in hopes it will make Anons forget his fishfag.>Fishfag trying to pass a DIFFERENT character sheet for the ones he originally shared >>97314484, hoping Anons have forgotten his REAL character sheets.LMAO he's desperate.
>>97313094The ayrt thanks you. Could have understood if it was WOTC arguing over, as you put it, not-so-subtly adjusted names but for a not very big company to get screwed over during an estate dispute due to dysfunctional family issues really is kicking a company when it's down.
>>97314484>>97314494NTA, i don't get it.This just seem's like a giant no true scotsman thing from you.>HES NEVER PLAYED A SINGLE GAME IN HIS LIFE! HES NOT A TRUE SCOTSMAN!>DESPITE HIM BEING INVESTED IN WANTING TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT 2ND EDITION!This just seems too autistic for me, or anyone else. i just walked into the thread and This is what i see.
>>97314362What a great post!In addition, reading it is inspiring – you can see the passion of the author and his competence. I cannot even imagine how difficult of a task writing these posts was, but I am sure that the author feels satisfied. The art is great too.
>>97313288>Saving throws are a failure of design. The game should just kill you Haven't seen enough FOE GYG in a while, even ironically so...FOE GYG? Yeah, FOE GYGGary already addressed your complaint>Someone once sharply criticized the concept of the saving throw as ridiculous.>Yet because the player character is all-important, he or she must always — or nearly always — have a chance, no matter how small, a chance of somehow escaping what otherwise would be inevitable destruction. Many will not be able to do so, but the escapes of those who do are what the fabric of the game is created upon.
>>97314520>Gary already addressed your complaintAnon, are you trying to have a serious discussion on the fishfag copycat thread? You should know better, this is for making fun of him.
>>97314419>ACKS is not OSR
>>97314453>Tries to pass a different character sheet for the fishfag character sheets.>>97314484Gets rekt in the very next reply, just a handful minutes later, with the actual fishfag character sheets.
>>97314484>>97314494sameanon here disregard that I suck dicksalso I've come to a realization that someone claiming to be someone on an __anonymous__ imageboard is not proof of anything
This the place to talk about AD&D 2e?
>>97314523Semi serious. The post I replied to was obviously a joke, only took a minute to pull that quote since I remembered reading that part of the DMG recently.I am waiting though for more about the thickness of lines and rebuttal of the cleric can use daggers line.
>>97311606>The art is great too.very memeable
>>97314539https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTMgX1PDGAE
>>97314540I think we have established that this is A place to talk about AD&D 2e. I think it might be too amped to call this THE place to talk about AD&D 2e.
>>97314540>>97314552Correct, OP has kindly decided to make an EXCEPTION just for this thread, so we can discuss "AD&D" 2e despite it not being OSR.For example, you could say that "AD&D" 2e is absolute dogshit, the worst edition ever published under the D&D brand name, and that only nogame mongoloids like it.
>>97314566>"AD&D" 2e is absolute dogshitYou're saying the bowdlerised knockoff for the storygaming special education kids of Satanic Panic moms is dogshit?Mmmmmmh You might have a point there.
>>97314566>>97314579>I dont like hawaiian therefore its not pizza.
>>97314610>Everything I like is OSR
Is Luke Gearing’s Violence allowed here?It’s OSR but also fairly freeform.
>>97314618>everything i dont like is not OSR
>>97314623It seems more OSR adjacent.
>>97314610>>97314624You're wrong as always, fishfag.>There's lots of things I don't like that are OSR.Several first decade D&D modules, for example, are objectively bad.>There's also lots of things that I do like that are not OSR. For example Traveller."AD&D" 2e, however, is both absolute garbage and not OSR.
>>97314624False, I don't like BFRPG, but it's still clearly OSR. I like Traveller, but it's clearly not OSR. 2e is both garbage and not OSR. HTH, HAND
>>97314636>>97314638Great minds think alike.
>>97314636>everyone i dont like across different timezones is fishfagWhy didn't the OSR start in the 90s as a response to 2e If it wasnt OSR?What slippery slope fallacy do you have for us when 2e is discussed in the osr general? Suddenly its /storygame/ ?Also you continue to fall hook line and sinker just like a fish, fag.
>>97314641>>97314638>>97314636(Im totally not samefagging guys)
>>97314648>D&D 3e was published in 2000>D&D 3.5e was published in 2003>C&C was published in 2004>So the OSR was a reaction to 3.5e but not a reaction to 3e.>So 3e is OSR
>>97314648>Fishfag keeps saying "fallacy" to sound smart, but he has no fucking idea what he's talking about. >He's actually literally retarded in the neurological sense of the word.
>>97314667He keeps trying to use arguments that other people have used against him, but without understanding, like a monkey with a screwdriver.
>>97314648>slippery slope fallacyYou keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
>>97314661Nice strawman logic.3e is not OSR because its what the OSR was created AS A RESPONSE to.
And now he's misusing strawman, kek
>>97314671No. OSR was created as a response to 3.5e, to bring the game back to 3e. This is proved without a shadow of a doubt by the years 3.5e and C&C were published.So 3.5e is not OSR, but 3e is OSR.
>>97314669>like a monkey with a screwdriverMore like a monkey with a machinegun. Pure weaponised autism.
>>97314673>And now he's misusing strawmanHis inability to learn is also a wonder of nature. We've been telling him for months if not years that he's misusing "strawman" and "fallacy", and yet he keeps doing it.Add this to the long list of reasons I'm absolutely convinced he's a literal autist at this point.
>>97314679>I'm absolutely convinced he's a literal autist at this point.It's pretty much settled at this point. Do you think he knows he has autism?
>>97314679>"OSR?"Ive yet to see you make an actual post about oldschool dnd, meanwhile this "fishfag" posted maps and has tried to talk about his progress in his games.
>>97314687>Ive yet to see you make an actual post about oldschool dndWhy would I contribute to your copycat thread with anything but criticism of your hijack attempt and mockery of your retarded logic? I reserve the good stuff for the real /osrg/, like all the regulars here.
>>97314687>this "fishfag" posted mapsWow "this fishfag" that is totally not (You) the tell-tale spelling errors are just a coincidence reposted a map from plebbit! >>97312055https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/17jur64/my_latest_map_in_the_dungeon_that_never_ends/Such a great contribution to be proud of.
>>97314700>your hijack attemptHow the fuck do you hijack a thread, lol.>Why would I contribute to your copycat threadSo you admit you came just to this thread to stir up shit. Guess you have to find something to do as clearly you're not busy enough to do something else, lime play d&d.
>>97314710>This thread is for FREE discussion.>How DARE YOU point out that the garbage I post is garbage?>You should let me say bullshit without contradicting me!>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>97314710>Fishfag has spent YEARS on 4chan>He still doesn't understand how it works
>>97314722Nice non answer. I can see why you spend so much time here, clearly with an attitude like that you must find it hard to get games. You know you're doing a terrible job selling yourself, and making your side seem like the right one?>>97314706I was referring to >>97301950So far "fishfag" has>posted maps>talked about his gamesWhich is a lot more than you've done buddy.
>>97314730>posted mapsSure, fishfag, (You) posted this>>97312055that is a repost ofhttps://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/17jur64/my_latest_map_in_the_dungeon_that_never_ends/
>>97314730NTAReminder for tourists who are confused about what's going on here. /osrg/ regulars are not posting here because this is a copycat thread created by a retard who wants to topic-shift /osrg/. The real discussion is here: >>97275514
>>97314739>ignore the specific reference to the map he posted>spent the time to make OC out of date memes as an "own"You know you're telling me a lot about who you are, and i believe you. I also get why you stir shit up here, you keep it out of /osrg/ so you can put on a facade. Certainly you've gotta be familiar with that, as who the hell would wanna play d&d with you if this is what you're like, unfiltered?>>97314728Still a non answer, how do you hijack a thread? Do you "own" /osrg/?
>>97314757>NTADon't bullshit me, if anything it seems like your threads trying to topic shift. All i see here is a genuine attempt at discussion shat all over, and you admitting you came here explicitely for that.
>>97314760This is just moral yapping, it doesn't matter what your justification is or how good making a copycat general is in your own mind. I'm talking about cause and effect. If you create a copycat general, the regulars of the general will shitpost the fuck out of it, that's just a simple inevitable consequence. Whether you're the good guy in your own mind is immaterial, how hard you seethe is immaterial. There is no general anywhere on /tg/ or the entire board that will just accept a takeover attempt calmly and do nothing.
>>97314730>posted maps*Posted somebody else's map and claimed it was his, because he's a faggot and so are (You)
>>97314764
>>97314771>STILL does not explain how one "hijacks" a thread>posts some kinda copypasta from before in the threadNow i know you're just bullshitting. Thanks for clarifying.>>97314773How do you know it was the same person? This is an anonymous imageboard, in case you forgot.
>>97314786>>He posted somebody else's map and claimed it was his>How do you know it was the same person?Do you have brain damage, anon? Do you need medical attention?
>>97314778>shifting the goalposts on what "OSR" meansWho made you king of what OSR means? And all i see is "broadly encourages" i don't see "OSR MUST ONLY BE PLAYED" requirement. I just see someone bullshitting and getting mad when they deliberately entered a thread to stir shit.>>97314790Where did he claim that map was his in >>97312055 ? I feel like you're just strawmanning this guy at this point. Then again, you did admit you didn't come here to contribute.
>>97314786>STILL does not explain how one "hijacks" a threadGlad to answer this. For a few months now, fishfag (You) tried to modify the OP and remove the "first decade" qualification, that has been part of the /osrg/ OP for over 750 threads since 2019.That's how one hijacks a general (not a thread), by changing its topic against the wishes of the regulars of the general.
>>97314799>all i see is "broadly encourages"So you're a dope, got it.
>>97314799>Who made you king of what OSR means?Nobdoy is king of anything.Simply, "first decade" has been part of the /osrg/ OP for almost 800 threads and 7 years non-stop. And if someone tries to change that against the wishes of the /osrg/ regulars, they will react negatively to that.Try it out. Go to /5eg/ and change the OP to make 3e on-topic as well. See what happens.
>>97314842>ur dumb, ur also "fishfag"Lmao, can't actually disprove me or have any actual arguments. Also now that i am fishfag, glub glub, the fight for freedom begins.
>>97314916>>97314932>reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>97314932didn't you get banned?
>>97314916>>97314932lmao he's having a full autism meltdowndiagnosis confirmed
>>97314453>people would actually talk about the OSR if you leftFishnigger... people are talking about the OSR *right now* in /osrg/ more han they've been able to for years due to the incessant trolling. It's great. No off-topic bullshit about irrelevant games, no stupid trollposts.>move back to allowing all OSR stuffAll OSR stuff is allowed now. You're just confused by thinking Reddit is somehow the authority on the OSR. You should read the OSR Simulacrum blogposts again. And again and again and again, until you understand them.
>>97314949Was he? I'm glad he's back, his tantrums make my day.
>>97314984>If I say "trollcow" people will forget I'm fishfag.I'm amazed how you still believe that's how it works.
>>97314514>seem's>knows he has to use apostrophes when pretending to be someone else or he'll be caught out immediately>but he doesn't know how they work so he still gets caught out immediately>also writes "I" lowercase
>>97315006>If I say "BrOSR" people will forget I'm fishfag.I'm amazed how you still believe that's how it works.
>>97315006
>>97315028Nobody even reads what you write anymore, fishfag.
>>97314799>And all i see is "broadly encourages"To clarify this, just so this troll can't pretend to be a good-faith outsider: although all thread regulars knew what the sentence meant, it was indeed also well known that the wording was unfortunate, and that it could be a lot clearer; several attempts were made to fix this, but a janny sympathetic to the (nevertheless failed) attempts at sliding the thread over the years nuked any attempt to correct the wording to be less ambiguous and more clearly convey what posters had known to be the point all along. But the janny apparently disappeared during the hax (or got told to lay off; a poster in the general suggested taking the grievance to the admins and may have successfully done so; I don't know) and over the summer, anons collectively workshopped a new and clearer OP which was duly adopted, and which to be clear did not change the topic of the general one bit from what it always had been. It merely clarified what all good-faith posters had always understood to be the boundaries of the topic and removed the unfortunate ambiguity.However, this made the long-standing troll seethe since his attempts to slide the thread were now categorically closed off by the OP and deletions of his shitposts happily proceeded accordingly. This fake thread exists as his last-ditch deperate attempt to try to derail /osrg/, which is why that thread's regulars are shitposting in it to mock him.TL;DR eat shit fishfag
>>97314817>You don't have any authority, this is 4chan. Anyone can make whatever the fuck thread they want in the appropriate board.>t. Guy who is trying to enforce his 4chan authority by stopping anons from posting whatever the fuck they want in his thread
>>97314862>everybodies>nack
>>97315176This is just moral yapping, it doesn't matter what your justification is or how good hijacking the general is in your own mind. I'm talking about cause and effect. If you try and exclude a chunk of the general, the regulars of the general will shitpost the fuck out of it, that's just a simple inevitable consequence. Whether you're the good guy in your own mind is immaterial, how hard you seethe is immaterial. There is no general anywhere on /tg/ or the entire board that will just accept a takeover attempt calmly and do nothing.
>>97315210Based, have an arneson
>>97315006>some literal who BroSR blogThat blog was written by a redditor (u/-Xoth) to clarify what the limits of the OSR were due to people on the plebbit constantly expressing confusion about what counts as OSR. They had a very funny reaction to the series when it was posted: everyone went "hm, yes, very well researched, all of this is clearly true" and then went on calling Cairn OSR as if nothing had happened.The idea that it's a BrOSR blog just because it makes you seethe is funny, especially since those posts predate the BrOSR thing.
>>97315210Aha, very attempt, my fishsexual friend, however, HOWEVER! At no time has anybody ever tried to exclude any chunk of the general. The accepted shorthand cutoff for OSR has always been the release of DL1, which predates the release of 2e by several years. Mere wishful thinking will never get your new-school editions to be part of /osrg/, no more 2e than 3e or 4e. This has never been the case anywhere except the reddit (which as usual is full of conflict-fearing dorks who are scared to death of being accused of not being inclusive), and it won't be in the future either. Go ask on K&KA, on Dragonsfoot, on Prince's blog, or Melan's, or Blackrazor. Everywhere in the OSR you'll get the same answer: 2e isn't part of it, never has been, and never will be.
Wow, that's some rapid autism.I guess I have to scour this thread for whatever posts made the troll so mad and upset that he's decided he needs to try and flood it so people don't see them, so they can be reposted later.It's a good thing the trolls posts are so easy to identify and ignore.
>>97309667>>97311482>>97311515>>97311554>>97311606Was it these posts? They seemed to really upset him.
>>97315210>If you try and exclude a chunk of the generalFishfag, when (You) started posting on /osrg/ a few years ago, AD&D 2e had already been agreed to be off-topic for many years. So nobody is "excluding a chunk of the general". You simply cannot accept that the general is the way it is because you have a literal autistic fixation on it.
>>97315210
>>97315288>>97315313It's kind of amazing that you actually think you can just repeat a lie enough and people will become unable to use the archive to always prove you wrong.
>>97315351>peopleYou're wrong on two accounts, fishfag: >(1) there's only one of (You) here, and >(2) you're not a person, you're a developmentally delayed subhuman.
>>97314661You do know it takes time to make games, and it takes some time for reactions to occur, right?Here's the timeline.>D&D 3e was published in August 2000>This included Dragon Magazine switching from publishing material for several editions/systems to being exclusively for 3rd Edition>The last official 2e adventures finished being published shortly after>By the year 2002, people were getting concerned because no more material from previous editions was being planned or announced for reprinting, and they began to discuss actions like creating petitions to convince Wizards to reprint these books. This is where the "Old School Revival" discussions began.>In these discussions, the plans for C&C were also discussed, and after two years, in 2004, the game was publishedEverything is fairly tight, fairly ordered, and incredibly logical, with one thing leading to the next, and no huge gaps. The two years it took for C&C to be made falls in line with how long it took for many similar games to be made in this era, with OSRIC being a direct reaction to C&C and coming out two years after C&C.
>>97315374Nobody reads what you write anymore, fishfag.
>>97315385I feel like someone told you that no one reads your posts and you really took it to heart. Good.
>>97315393>he goes for the 'no u' comeback againNever miss a chance to prove you're still developmentally stuck in elementary school, fishfag
>>97315403>why does my endless hypocrisy cause people to always no u me??!?Because your greatest characteristic, beyond all your other shitty attributes, is your hypocrisy.
>>97315385It's uncanny how fishfag has been repeating the exact same bullshit arguments using the exact same words for years, non-stop, and then can't figure out why people stop reading him.He's a textbook case of actual maladjusted clinical autism. Perhaps in the hands of a qualified professional perhaps he would have been able to find a place into society somehow, somewhere. But I guess in his third world country they don't have that.
>got hit with a blow so hard he went off on a tangent about his boogeymanlol
>hypocrisyAaaaaand he's back to using words he doesn't understand. He's in a loop. Actual literal autism.
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>>97314520Yeah, except the player already had a choice in 99% of situations.>DM: "There's a treasure chest">Player (read: Scum of the Earth): "OMG I RUN OVER AND OPEN IT NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW GIMMIE TREASURE!">DM: "Uh...you triggered the trap and die">Player: "WHAT! NO! THAT'S NOT FAIR! I DESERVE A ROLL OF DICE! THERE'S NO WAY THIS COULD HAPPEN TO ME! HOW DARE YOU! I FUCKING HATE YOU YOU'RE THE WORST DM EVER GIVE ME MY ROLL! GIVE ME MY ROLL NOW!"Saving throws only ever make sense if there was literally no way to foresee the effect, and that's a failure of the DM, not the system.>>97314523>You should know better, this is for making fun of him.Yeah, I've been noticing this: Why the fuck is there a full on thread dedicated to just talking about a fucking pseudo-namefag? What the fuck are you doing giving them what they want by talking about them and making them famous? Literally every other post is "fishfag fishfag fishfag". You're making whatever faggot you're talking about immortal and literally everyone referring to this namefag and the namefag themselves should get permabanned. What the fuck happened to 4chan?
>>97315351That's rich coming from you.
>>97315247Nono, those are badpeople and their ideas don't count. Only MY ideas count, especially my idea about how no one should exclude my idea when they're appealing to authority!
>>97315855Careful. The archive contains some pretty harsh truths right now.
>>97315866We've all seen the uno card so many times fish.
>>97315877Really? Only comically psycotic-level hypocrites like yourself seem to get endlessly no-u'd.
>>97315909nou
>>97315913The thing is, people see both threads.They see the troll brigade spamming and flooding like psychotic shitbags, and they know that these are the same people who are pretending that the /osrg/ has real people still in it.
>>97315942>thinks they only see one thread in a row as opposed to several years of your bullshit I see you identify as transparent.
>>97315942That's rich coming from (You), fishfag, given how you've been trolling /osrg/ for years and never contributed anything to any real discussion except for whining and schizoposting about alternate histories.
>>97315996The people of this board are not stupid.Your unnatural activities and methods don't really work here, especially when you try and pin all dissent on a single actor when that's clearly not the case.When you perform actions like flooding, people notice. They wonder why you would flood, especially when you do it for hours turning into days turning into weeks.You do not argue rationally. You do not post rationally. And, after you have your tantrums, everyone is supposed to forget and treat your propped-up general as if you are not in it?You gave up bumping the /nsrg/ once you realized everyone had figured out what you were doing with it, though it took over a month for you to finally come to terms with that. I wonder how long it will take for you to admit what you've done to the /osrg/ to yourself.
>>97316078>The people of this board>people notice>They wonderFishfag's defective theory of mind showing once again: He's convinced that if he says people believe X, people believe X.He's really stuck at a phase of cognitive development than, in neurotypical children, is complete by age 7.
>>97316104It's understandable you will continue to try and gaslight the board, because that's all you ever try to do, so I don't expect a honest reply out of you. Ever, really.But, even without you admitting it here, you should at least admit to yourself how much you regret your methodology, considering how much energy you have to invest in trying to spin your lies.
>>97315942>people who are pretending that the /osrg/ has real people still in itThis is where fishfag's psychopathology still confuses me a bit. >(1) Does he know that it's bullshit but erroneously thinks that just saying it will convince people?or>(2) Is he cognitively unable to tell real discussions from fake discussions?I'm leaning (2) at this point, because >(a) he's proven himself to be completely unable to simulate a real discussion in multiple copycat threads now,and>(b) every now and then he pops into /osrg/ and accuses Anons who are having perfectly natural conversations of being just one Anon samefagging.A genuine cognitive disability making it hard for him to distinguish real conversations from fake ones would explain all of quite parsimoniously.
>>97316078>everyone is one person persecuting me! lmao you're such a broken record.
>>97316143>A genuine cognitive disability making it hard for fishfag to distinguish real conversations from fake onesI've come to a very similar conclusion independently.
>>97316143>>97316195I don't think it's inability to distinguish real conversations from fake per se, it's just that his persecutory narcissism doesn't allow him to accept or even entertain the possibility that his deranged world view might be wrong. You've all seen how he instantly confabulated his weird theory that Castles and Crusades is the origin of the OSR as soon his previous horseshit was thoroughly proven false, and now he defends it with evey appearance of genuine belief.
>>97316143>>97316195Ha ha, wow.You're trying to tell us what a real conversation looks like? When you make threads like this?>>97315523Here's the thing. We know your methods, your energy, your obsession. We've seen you flood shitposts for days, we've seen what kind of posts you use as bumps for months, we've seen there's literally no limit to how shameless you will act.The board isn't stupid. It has intelligence. It has memory. Hell, Anon not forgetting (and not forgiving) is essentially why your grand plan will never work, because independantly people can discover the truth, a truth permanantly evident to everyone. It must be all the more evident to you, hence all the effort you put into your lies and schemes.And lets be real here. They're schemes. Dumb little schemes, but you put thought and planning into them, and that's what's so sad about you.
>>97316416Its also telling he just repeats the same mantras until someone blows him out on it. The current one is >The board isn't stupid.while being one of the stupidest posters on the board.
>>97316505>completely ineffective attempt to avoid the points made against youPost remains.
>>97316530Your point is >I got caught being crazy so I'll be crazy back its a shit point and you're making everything worse in a way you could easily stop.
>>97316639No, posts don't change just to suit you, nor are they altered by trying to tell people what they said.The post remains.
>>97316416>mucho texto
>>97316387>his persecutory narcissism doesn't allow him to accept or even entertain the possibility that his deranged world view might be wrongBoth things can be true at the same time. A person can have both autism and narcissism at the same time. Now fishfag isn't a person strictly speaking, but that doesn't make him immune.
>>97316666That's all you have? Can you whine some more? I need more salt for my popcorn.
>>97316666We've seen what you're trying to tell people and how its bullshit. You just keep repeating it.
This thread is not dead yet and I already miss it. It was so much fun.
>>97317360>It was so much fun.We'll always have thin lines, Anon.
>>97314484Please make an updated version that notes that he wrote greatsword instead of two handed sword as well, on his second sheet the thief one
>>97318770Good catch! Anything else?
>>97314778Because it's a travesty that never should have been added, wasn't there at the start, and it's completely wrong.
>>97315581>Saving throws only ever make sense if there was literally no way to foresee the effect, and that's a failure of the DM, not the system.That's a stupid take.>There might be venomous monsters in the dungeon>There might be no around them>They might envenom me>I have foreseen this>Therefore saving throws don't make sense>And DM will have failed by including those monstersEnd of adventure before it even starts.
>>97318939>wasn't there at the startYeah and look what that got us, (You)
>>97319084Having perfectly civil conversations without the trolls like, evidently, you.
>>97315817Grim. This shit is the reason I keep leaving /osrg/ in general for months at a time, and every time I come back, it is just slathered in more shit then I thought possible. Some one really ought to do something.
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>>97319177>Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, /osrg/ is the best it's been in years
>>97318883Ayrt, I might be mistaken but I believe that is the rules cyclopedia character sheet that he is using, and if that is correct then per RC, a thief cannot use a two-headed sword
>>97319184>so lonely he spends most of his time trying to sabotage the thread where everyone left himlol. Who you trying to fool.If you're so happy with your dead thread, stay in it.
>>97319546>dead threadLMAO, pic very related
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>>97320428kek, I don't know which is funnier, those guys, or that you think posting this is an own
>>97320468its just a silly joke you fuckin twat
>>97320725Oh, my bad, I thought you were a piscine gentleman attempting to post more of the touted "proof below" from the post you replied to. Nevermind, then
>>97318770>he wrote greatsword instead of two handed swordDone>>97319504>I believe that is the rules cyclopedia character sheet that he is using, and if that is correct then per RC, a thief cannot use a two-headed swordInteresting, but that's not conclusive enough IMHO. It wouldn't be a crime to use an RC-styled character sheet when playing B/X or BECMI.
>>97317360>This thread is not dead yet and I already miss it. It was so much fun.IT'S BACK! COME JOIN THE FUN>>97320024>>97320024>>97320024
