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>>98045379
>TQ
I'm playing an ACKS campaign. Help me decide my next character. Fighter?

>>98045416
Reminder that ACKS is a game only for faggots that scammed its backers into buying shitty AI slop.

>>98045134
>you are in the wrong thread anon
>your echo chamber is the second left
Rich, coming from a literal RPGnet plebbitor

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>>98045421
lol fishfag was triggered

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>>98045416
Explorer? It's one of my favourite ACKS II classes actually.

>>98044563
>It looks like the whole "ACKS uses AI art" did get them to give up slopping up the thread. It's a good thing to remember for the future.
Good catch, Anon. Tell them, it'll make them stop.

>>98045416
>>98045441
>flooding the thread with ugliest slop to offend people
At least this guy knows his game is complete shit, even if he won't admit it.

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>>98045441
However, I'm really tempted to go with an ACKS II Thief. What Macris has done with it, by introducing Shadowy Senses and the ability to perform Thief skills hastily, makes it extremely interesting to play. And backstab and cleaves interact beautifully. I might go with this one.

>>98045452
I'm asking for suggestion on what classes to play, and listing the options in case Anons are unfamiliar with the ACKS classes. That's not flooding, Anon.

>>98045469
Ignore him, Anon. He's an angry nogames. In my next game I want to play either a Thief or an Assassin. Exactly for the reasons you said. Very well designed.

>>98045421
It's also off-topic because it's not OSR.

ACKS isn't OSR because it takes B/X and goes deliberately against its very core.

The "OSR=Rules-lite" is inaccurate, but there's a reason why that inaccuracy developed and became so widespread. Comparing Old school games against Modern (defined primarily as 3e and later systems), and there's a number of differences that people like Matt Finch have explained as being "business-driven" in nature.

Matt Finch, in his Old School Primer, lays down the old school style as favoring Rulings over Rules, as well as focusing on the player's skill over the character's abilities. There's plenty of room to debate about these, but it doesn't take much to realize that what he's passive-aggressively bitching about is 3e's considerable proliferation of subsystems and mechanics, along with the "business-driven" decision to embrace splatbooks and endless system expansion.

They're not strict rules, and he even admits that games like 2e and BECMI (which he outright says are OSR) were starting to show signs of these corporate influences, so you can push a game in that direction a bit without making it not OSR.

But, we're talking about degrees. Pushing a game a little in the "Modern" direction is fine and even welcomed in many ways, especially if the "modern" direction is cleaning up or simplifying dated mechanics. But, if the "Modern" direction is making the most uninspired, rules-heavy version of B/X with splatbooks designed specifically to just sell extra classes, then it's hard to link it with the reasons the OSR began or grew popular.

>>98045484
OSR or not, it's just a shitty game and both it creators, "artists", and fans are talentless moral vacuums that are basically trying to grift the OSR community while shilling in every place they haven't been banned from.

>>98045379
>TQ
Getting a 2e game going. Got some friends that have never played an older version of DnD before so it’ll be interesting to see how they like it. Having it set in Daggerdale right after the civil war ends, so everywhere is pretty lawless and torn apart. As far as rules go, just using PHB with expanded weapon proficiencies from Combat & Tactics

>>98045503
This isn't the place to discuss it.

Ignore the buttmad trolls and their efforts to flood the thread with shit.

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>>98045483
Thanks, Anon. Not sure why all the negativity. Here's the Assassin. I don't know, he's a killing machine, but I would be missing on all the Thief skills.

>>98045514
Do they seem excited? I'm curious what kind of pitch you used on them.

>>98045484
>it's not OSR
That's a crazy take. ACKS is just an expansion of B/X. If ACKS is not OSR, then nothing is.

>Matt Finch, in his Old School Primer, lays down the old school style as favoring Rulings over Rules
Yeah, Matt Finch is wrong. I much prefer the approach of Alexander Macris, which is that RULINGS ARE RULES.

Here's a great video he made on the subject. Very highly recommended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uiXgBASiNQ

>>98045503
>it's just a shitty game
I disagree. I like it A LOT.

>>98045520
Fair enough, I feel I'd be missing out a bit too. The assassin is a bit one-dimensional. Is an ACKS II Crusader an option for you?

>>98045550
>Is an ACKS II Crusader an option for you?
Definitely. For those not in the know, a Crusader is an ACKS II Cleric. Macris had to change the name because he abandoned the OGL altogether, so from the copyright POV ACKS II is completely independent and insulated from WotC shenanigans.

>>98045560
>Macris had to change the name because he abandoned the OGL altogether, so from the copyright POV ACKS II is completely independent and insulated from WotC shenanigans.
Yeah that was a great choice. It's a bit annoying because Macris had to change the names of a few spells, but apart from that I'm totally fine with it.

>>98045524
2 are pretty excited. One started with 2e, the other never played it but specifically asked to try it. Other 2 I think are just along for the ride. I’m not the best with pitches, I just told them “it’s sandbox dungeon crawler set in a region that’s torn itself apart in a civil war” having the opening plot hook being investigating disappearances along the road that’ll take them to the caves of chaos. From there tho I haven’t planned any major story, I’ll just drop some points of interest around the map and let them decide where to go

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>>98045550
>>98045560
Oops forgot the image. Really love the ACKS II Crusader art.

>>98045578
Why does the shield look like that

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>>98045578
But at that point, if I'm going the spellcaster route, why not go full Mage? The idea of using the Magical Research rules to create Magic Items, Constructs, Undead, and Crossbreeds is very tempting.

AAAAARGH TOO MANY THINGS TO CHOOSE FROM

Love this game.

>>98045574
Why play AD&D 2e when there's ACKS? You have literally zero reasons. ACKS has all the things AD&D 2e has (proficiencies, kits, and so on) but done so much better and much better balanced. More interesting combat (thanks to cleaves), a fantastic Thief class as mentioned above. AD&D 2e is completely superseded at this point. ACKS kept the promise that AD&D 2e made but could never keep.

AND it's OSR-compatible because ACKS has all the OSR procedures in place, unlike AD&D 2e.

>>98045503
>shitty game
You're very wrong, friend. ACKS II is a fantastic game. It's not for everyone, but if you like cruch it's literally the best RPG since AD&D (1e of course) and B/X. A masterpiece.

>>98045503
>trying to grift the OSR community
what exactly is the grift?

>>98045601
>ACKS kept the promise that AD&D 2e made but could never keep.
Truer words have never been said, brother. You could say same about fulfilling the promise of BECMI.

Macris spent an extraordinary amount of time on ACKS II, and the result is a jewel as far as I'm concerned. I'm not exaggerating.

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>>98045589
One class I am not TOO interested in is the Venturer. The trading subsystem is good, but it's not the kind of campaign I want to have. Also it would require the other players to want to have that kind of campaign, and most just want to go into dungeons and kill shit, at least at low levels.

Will post more class options later to foster discussion.

>>98045379
>what are you prepping? what are you playing?
I'm prepping a oneshot of OSE with a group of eight players and another DM for an all-day affair. The plan is for me to run an extremely deadly dungeon, and when a PC dies they go over to play in the DM's afterlife game on the same dungeon map, and accomplishing different things will have effects on both games (killing/defeating some enemies might make them appear/disappear in the other, a player might get resurrected and pulled from the afterlife game, etc.).
It's been a lot of back-and-forth production discussion with the other DM, and he's confident it will work out, but my key concern is just time and whether or not we'll have enough of it. It's got a lot of moving parts and we're trying to figure out ways that we can communicate with each other without having to stall or disrupt each other's games, and he also has his heart set on both the living and the dead groups to come together for a big final battle.
We still have more than three months to plan everything out, so I think we'll iron out the kinks, but I'm mostly just hoping that the eight players can all really build up some experience playing with the other DM so that things go smoothly, because a few are kinda shoddy.

>>98045625
"Grift" means "something I don't like" at this point. It's not only imprecise, but also very intellectually lazy.

>>98045649
>ChatGPT, reply to this TQ with a post in the style of 4chan.

>>98045587
>why does shitty ai slop look like trash
Probably because once he's got the money he doesn't care how bad the product is.

Reminder that the actual /osrg/ can currently be found here:

>>98041565
>>98041565
>>98041565

>>98045421
Don't forget that ACKS got banned from several sub-reddits because it was spammed and shilled by its discord, brigading and flooding discussions and just generally being an annoyance.
I wonder where those ACKS shills went after being banned from there?
Where else could they try to shill?

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>>98045678
>ACKS got banned from several sub-reddits
Buddy I already told you I like ACKS, no need to insist!

>>98045678
lmao go back to plebbit if you like it so much there, faggot

>>98045649
Good luck.

I'm actually not a fan of these sort of "high-concept" games because they end up getting pretty railroady.

But, if you can figure out how to avoid that, I don't see why it shouldn't work out.

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>>98045644
>Will post more class options later to foster discussion.
Back as promised. The next option is the Barbarian. This is interesting too, since the one from UA was really poorly designed. This one works well, but it's not on top of my personal list.

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>>98045700
>it's not on top of my personal list
The bard, on the other hand...
really interesting. They can't cast spells, but the Jack of All Trades, that lets the Bard pick a power from another class (subject to Judge approval) is really cool. I'll have to think what to pick, if I play one. Any ideas?

>>98045700
>>98045712
Thanks for these effortposts and quick reviews of the ACKS classes, Anon. Keep them coming.

>>98045719
Glad you appreciate them, Anon. I'm sure others do too but are not saying it because they are annoyed by the trolls who want to kill this great thread.

Reminder that 2e is not OSR

>>98045441
>his hand has merged with his bow
>his legs make no anatomical sense
>his belts/boots are just pure slop
lol people paid for this?

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>>98045729
That's not even the worst example of slop.
The "artist" who did most of the art in the books does some real fucking slop shit.
Completely undisclosed, of course.
The severe contrast between what we can presume is his actual art and the slop he generates is pretty striking.

It's like everyone that's part of the project has always been some kind of piece of shit.

>>98045729
>his legs make no anatomical sense
AI really struggles with proportions and placement, always trying to cram full limbs into places or otherwise mis-alligning them. That's why >>98045520's arm/hsnd is so small and weird. Also, the dagger-thing she's so awkwardly holding becoming part of the background is pretty funny.

>>98045729
no, the art was free (ai)
people paid for the game rules

>>98045644
>slopped up jewelry
>Slopped background
>slopped coins
>EXTREMELY slopped coins
jesus christ did the art director just count the number of fingers and think this would pass?

>>98045837
>people paid for the game rules
You're talking to people who don't play and only read rpg books as if they were novels or coffee table books. That's why the only conversation they're able to have in this thread is about art. Bunch of nogame faggots.

>>98045853
sad. I just like playing games.

>>98045837
People paid for a lie.
>>98043676
Here's a guy saying Macris went on to reddit (lol) to claim only one minor "artist" making filler art made any "AI-assisted" art, and even said that Old School Jelly (or the artist you can see here >>98045758) who did most of the art for the books does not use AI at all.

>>98045853
>guy sold books filled with shitty AI art without disclosing it was shitty AI art.
That's fraud.

>>98045873
>People paid for a lie
what lie are you referencing?
>>98045886
>That's fraud.
well, no, its strictly not, but he has indeed disclosed that some of the art is AI

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>>98045712
Very nice reviews, Anon. I'll go next.

The Bladedancer is very cool as well. It's basically a variant cleric that uses bladed weapons, unarmoured combat, and while it also is a divine caster, it has a completely different spell list, which is made possible by the fact that ACKS II has spell repertoires with 396, 36 per level for Arcane casters and 30 per level for Divine casters. So you can have two divine casters with no overlap in spells, if you use the Custom Class rules!

Anyway, I'm not gonna play because I don't like playing female characters, and that's a female-only class. But another player at the table says she might.

>>98045601
I’ve looked through the core rule book before and I just don’t like it. I don’t like games based on BX in general and I don’t like ACKS version of classes. If I wanted “ad&d but with more classes” I would play Hyperborea. Or simply port Hyperborea classes to ad&d

>>98045893
>some art is AI
have you looked through the book? It’s almost all AI

>>98045484
Just reposting this and ignoring the criticism doesn't make you right fuckhead.
>ACKS isn't OSR because it takes B/X and goes deliberately against its very core.
Then 2nd ed isn't OSR for the same reasons.
>but there's a reason why that inaccuracy developed and became so widespread
Idiots with meme opinions flooding social media with their fuckhead opinions.
>finch, rulings over rules
Debunked as is before we even get to you parading its corpse around just like how you detest others doing with gygax.
>They're not strict rules
Then fuck off with your ACKS grinding problem.
>But we're talking about degrees when its a thing I like.
Nah. The ACKS shills are bad but you're just as fucked in the head and make it worse.

>>98045903
I also don’t like domain play in general. If you like domains, cool, good for you. It just ain’t for me

>>98045915
I only open the book to look at the rules. The art is just filler for pacing o algo

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>>98045918
>The ACKS shills are bad but you're just as fucked in the head and make it worse.
There's no ACKS shills, Anon.

>>98045416
>uniforms are not uniform between soldiers
>guy in background doesn't even have matching greaves
>Fucked up weird tiny sword and hand holding it, hilt is misaligned
>Background fabric is just pure slop
>front guys knees are just doing their own thing
>the fuck happened with his greaves lol
>belt is lopsided and slopped up
>light source is constantly changing
This is actually sorta fun. These are not the mistakes a professional artist makes.

>>98045918
>shills
what do you think the word "shill" means?

>>98045903
>>98045920
Fair enough, Anon. Like another Anon said, ACKS is not for everyone.

>>98045893
He outright lied about how much.

>>98045941
>>uniforms are not uniform between soldiers
>>guy in background doesn't even have matching greaves
historically accurate
>>Fucked up weird tiny sword and hand holding it, hilt is misaligned
damaged dagger
>>Background fabric is just pure slop
quite damaged
>>front guys knees are just doing their own thing
what does this mean?
>>the fuck happened with his greaves lol
?
>>belt is lopsided and slopped up
not to me
>>light source is constantly changing
just like real life!

>>98045950
never heard anyone who actually plays the game complain.
also, who fucking cares?

>>98045939
>>98045945
Pretending to advertise for someone to troll a retard is still advertising for them.
That being said, you are doing it for free so you're more like a janny.

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>>98045941
The Paladin is also great. It's clearly based off of the AD&D Paladin. However, unlike the AD&D Paladin, it's very well balanced thanks to the ACKS II Custom Class rules. What you get is a class that has basically all of the same powers as an AD&D Paladin, less the spells, and with a limited selection of armour or weapons: Basically Melee-only.

>>98045965
>Pretending to advertise
nigger we're talking about an osr game in the osr thread. do you want a link to the free pdfs or something to quit your endless bitching?

>>98045965
>to troll a retard
Said retard has trolled /osrg/ for two years, non-stop, every day, multiple times a day. He's getting his just deserts.

>>98045965
>you are doing it for free
you get paid to post on 4chan?
>you're more like a janny
do jannys post about games very often?

You'll swing it in favour of fish at this point. Trying too hard.

>>98045894
Oh JESUS CHRIST.
>Those fucking pillars
>completely different, completely nonsensical, complete and total slop for pillars and the left one doesn't even match the double sunset(!) light sources
>swords are pure slop, with the blades especially struggling to retain their existence
>assymetrical belt that's slopped up
>severely slopped up jewelry
>her pelvis can't be attached to her legs

>>98045986
>You'll swing it in favour of fish at this point
is this esl or did you have a stroke?

>>98045379
>TQ
Never done much OSR but I've had it on my radar. Primary a GM for two 5e games with friends.
Girlfriend and I want to do a solo game where she is a werewolf, and I wanted to experiment a bit with different systems. I came across MÖRK BORG and after reading on it for a bit it seemed like it would be a good fit. Don't plan to use to use it's world because it's darker than what I was looking for, but the mechanics seemed interesting and simple enough. She's not the most mechanically minded player so the prospect of just intuiting our way through things is promising.
Am I doing something monumentally retarded or not?

>>98045669
Nobody wants to use your shitty little thread because you faggots are actively shitting up every thread on the board that uses the word "OSR" in a way you don't like.

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>>98045994
>hrm, yes, it pales in comparison to the brush technique of alistair tongteen, and denies access to the insistence of the soul!
no one cares but smelly ners like you

>>98045968
>SIX FINGERS

God fucking damn it.

Come the fuck on.

There's a million other issues, but fuck me, that's the most basic shit.

How can I trust a game's math if they can't even count the number of fingers on someone's hand?

>>98046000
>MÖRK BORG
not OSR
>it's darker than what I was looking for
so not a good fit for what youre looking for
>Am I doing something monumentally retarded
yes, just play BX D&D, why the vapid artpunk bullshit?

>>98046001
>shitting up every thread
We're the only ones talking about games here. Talk about games or stfu.

>>98045687
Do you really think that anybody believes you are different people when you post this exact same stupid shit every time? ACKSfags got banned because they were so desperate for Reddit updoots that they violated the site's rules, there's nothing cool about that. It's like getting banned from a San Francisco polycule for being too socially maladjusted.

>>98045689
You like it so much there that you got banned.

>>98046009
I have ACKS and fishfag blacklisted because of you homosexuals, so there's like three visible posts in this thread, which are also all you faggots spamming it anyway.

>>98046006
Oh wow.
Oh, wow.
That's pretty damn embarrassing.

>>98046010
>You like it so much there that you got banned.
lolwut

>>98046010
being banned from reddit and rpgnet is a badge of honor.
why do you care so much about what those sites think?
>>98046015
cool, not our problem

>>98046010
>you got banned
Never posted on reddit once, faggot. Talk about games. What's your favourite ACKS class?

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>>98046016
oh my, that will be quite the egg on the face!

>>98046021
explorer really satisfies my "thief that can actually fight" itch

the anti-acks fag doesnt play any games at all btw

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>>98045968
Next: The ACKS II Priestess. The Priestess is a "super Cleric". She gets many more spell slots (see top right on the screenshot), at the expense of all the combat options, she fights as a Magic-User.

>>98045873
>https://old.reddit.com/r/Autarch/comments/1i7lfhm/ai_art_in_acksii_books/
>The overall art budget was in the high five figures, spent more on art and have more art than all prior books I've done added together.

>high five figures for AI slop

Yo that shit is EMBEZZLEMENT.

>>98046006
>>98046016
>>98046026
>>98046037
>Fishfag samefagging furiously.

>>98046037
thats less than $110 per human-made art piece, that seems pretty reasonable.
>Yo that shit is EMBEZZLEMENT
yo nigga call yo congressman o algo

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>>98046031
>the anti-acks fag doesnt play any games at all btw
We established that years ago when he first showed up on /osrg/. Remember fishfag's character sheets?

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>>98046043
Nah man, I'm not here to cheat anyone.

I don't like people who lie.

You seem to love liars though.

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>>98046043
i posted the snob one and it was obviously meant to be a fuckin joke about how much of a fag he's acting, you bozo
>>98046048
oh, i member

>>98045649
personally I'm still at a stage when playing without such mechanics is fun enough
to me it feels strange but sounds interesting if that makes sense
try remember to report on how it went

>>98046046
>less than $110 per human-made-
Except it's not human made, it's AI-made, and the guy lied about it.

Spending even a dollar on AI art is overpaying.

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>>98046051
stop impersonating me faggot

>>98045461
OK this background and the pose make so little sense I'm pretty sure it's prompt-art
thanks for bringing it to our attention

>>98046066
The longer you look at it, the more ridiculous it looks. And, the smaller slop details take shape.

And, these fraudsters sold these books with the lie that they weren't AI like it wouldn't be immediately apparent.

I knew that Macris was a hack, but I didn't realize he was also completely blind.

>>98046051
>I have two browsers on my laptop
Wow, some impressive shit, fishfag. You're totally a haxx0r.

>>98046061
>~ 50 handmade paintings by Michael Syrigos and another ~500
60,000/550=109

>only chuds use AI art!
>ACKS is a chud game!
>ACKS uses AI art REEEEE!

so...who exactly are you trying to sway?

>>98046090
Using AI art is fine.
In non-commercial works.
Without lying about using it.

But using AI, and then lying about using AI, that's pretty much just plain criminal. You're trying to pass off AI art as if it were made by humans, and then even bragging about that.
If he had just used it and admitted to it and actually had that information in a place people could actually see it without having to discover it, that would have been bad but almost forgivable.

But Macris actually went onto Reddit and lied about how much AI art was in the books.
Not only does that make him a liar and a cheat, even worse, it makes him a Redditor.

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>>98045894
LOL
didn't use AI my ass
thanks for the outing anon, I'll make sure to use your pics to make a compilation of AI-sloppery next to that reddit post saying there is basically no AI in acks

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>>98046037
>Yo that shit is EMBEZZLEMENT.
lol who the fuck cares

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>>98046035
>>98046106
Next up is the Shaman. I haven't looked at it yet. Has anybody played one? Is he kinda like an ACKS II Druid?

>>98045956
>light source is constantly changing
>just like real life!

...oh wow, you don't actually understand what that means.
Are you Macris?
Do you just genuinely have absolutely 0 experience with art? Is that how you thought you could lie about such obvious slop?

>>98046114
>THIS GUYS LEGS

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

>>98046125
Doesn't top the 6-fingered paladin, but still pretty great.

>>98046125
Look at the hand holding the staff. He has 3 fingers but do many knuckles

>>98046119
im a gamer, not some art snob poindexter

>>98046060
Aside from the other DM, I don't think anyone is really at the stage where they need something weird like that. The major reason I'm even helping to run it is because he just needs another DM.

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>>98046000
Most people here (me included) do not like the “Borg” games because they’re more art books with some rules tacked on some pages than actual games you can play. You could run the actual BX or AD&D. I get that is unfortunately a big ask for 5e players because “muh descending AC”. It’s not hard to convert it to ascending. As for a recommendation that’s not original BX or 1e I’d say check out Swords & Wizardry. It’s pretty simple but has more PC options than BX, is both ascending and descending AC. And very easy to add to it since it’s so simple

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>>98046114
>those hands

>>98046143
>>98046188
Oh my god, they're beautiful.

If this is the kind of slop he'd be willing to show us, how bad must the slop he'd want to hide be?

do you actually play games, or do you just bitch and moan about sloppa?

>>98046172
I think the Borg games are fun. They have a personality to them that encourages players to treat the game with rock star energy.
The graphic design hurts my eyes, but the game does manage to set a certain kind of "mood," which is more than many other games achieve.

>>98046204
How the fuck any one did layout with this art and didn't notice is beyond me

>>98046227
>Wah wah, how DARE you make fun of my PRECIOUS game
>*clutches pearls*
Your game is shit and its creator is a liar, a fraud, and can't even count to five reliably.

>>98046248
nah I dont even care if you call macris a niggerloving tranny AI-fag, I just want you to also talk about games.

So far my favorite ACKS character was an illusionist named Imbroglio. Not very "strong" but a very tricksy caster who could take out entire squads by himself if he was lucky (he wasnt).
Learned my lesson when I got my arm chopped off while maintaining a spell. The mortal wounds tables really make combat deadliness feel more "impactful" with how you can survive, but be badly crippled.

>>98046264
I can't trust a word you say,
It's probably AI generated anyway~.

>>98046264
>illusionist
There's Illusionists in ACKS? What book?

>>98046000
If you like what you see, give it a shot.
Mork is definitely more style than substance, but there's nothing catastrophically bad about it.
If you just want an easy game to pick up and read, OSE is B/X but formatted in a modern style, making it really easy to recommend to newcomers.

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>>98046269
Good observation! That's not only insightful - it's powerful. And honestly? That's inspiring.
>>98046287
There's an illusion/enchantment specialization prof.
Heres my sloppa of that char

>>98046248
>and can't even count to five reliably.
Is that half as much as a decade?

>>98046104
>Using AI art is fine.
No, it's not.

>>98045448
lol the shills always make the dumbest move

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>>98046299
>There's an illusion/enchantment specialization prof.
Ah, I got it! This one.

>Heres my sloppa of that char
Love it! He's got three fingers on one hand though, get ready for fishfag to throw a tantrum over it!

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>>98046114
Next one's the Warlock. I haven't looked at this class closely yet, but I got the impression that it's the ACKS II take on the 5e class. It has three possible "Dark Paths" (Demonology, Necromancy, Transmogrification) and is highly customisable. It also has drawbacks, "Corrupting Weaknesses", that make him disfigured, mutated, obsessed, cursed, stuff like that. I'll have to study this class more closely at one point.

>>98046351
He didn't try to sell it or try to claim it wasn't AI art.

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>>98046373
YEAH! MORE SLOP!
>fucked up hand
>fucked up other hand
>skull slop
>tons of fucking skulll slop
>slop text
>his robe is completely nonsensical
And, it almost looks like they inexpertly went over parts of the image with black, probably to cover up some more obvious mistakes. Christ what a sloppy fucking job.
You can even see how the bottom part of the guys robe, which is behind his arm and should be behind him, is in front of the slop skull that's in the foreground.

>>98046373
>It also has drawbacks, "Corrupting Weaknesses", that make him disfigured, mutated,
lol this game is about slop men in a slop world.

>>98046417
What else would you expect to come out of a guy who's mentally and morally disfigured?

>>98046351
OHHHHH ALICE WITH THREE FINGERS
>>98046377
>>98046410
>>98046417
>>98046433
I want you to suck my shit pipe, spammer

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>>98046373
The Witch! Like the Priestess, the Witch is a "super divine caster", with more spells than the Cleric and the fighting capabilities of a Magic-User. The twist on this class is that it uses "studious magic", that is, it cast divine spells, but uses a spell book like a Magic-User. This means that they have access to a much wider and more customisable repertoire of spells than either Crusaders or Priestesses. Pretty cool!

>>98046466
>that anatomy
>that pinky
>that whole fucking background
>those poor, poor completely fucked up and ugly breasts

Fuck man. It being obvious AI slop is bad, but the fact that it's also so ugly and the prompts so unimaginative might actually be worse.

If you're gonna cheat people and lie and use AI art and then claim you didn't, at least let the AI art be aesthetically pleasing.

It's insulting to slop guys.
Apologize to /slop/ for posting such ugly shit here.

>>98046172
>Most people here (me included) do not like the “Borg” games because they’re more art books with some rules tacked on some pages than actual games you can play.
I thought the MorkBorg threads on /tg/ were pretty popular. Or at least reaching 100+ posts popular.

>>98045379
>what are you playing?

I lied about never having played Tomb of Horrors and have a game on Sun.
I don't remember much of it though. I am planning on using what I remembet to not die though. I won't save anyone else though.

>>98046518
Yes, people in the morkborg thread do like morkborg. This is not the morkborg thread

>>98046561
Tomb of Horrors is pretty replayable.

It might even be a better experience overall if there's at least one person who can help skip over some of the more tedious parts.

>>98046617
It's an almost linear dungeon.

>>98046613
>This thread is for open OSR discussions. Including old-school D&D, retroclones, and broader OSR-adjacent games.

>>98046691
Ok, then talk about it then. That doesn’t mean others have to like that game. I have problems with C&C but I understand it has its fans

>>98045968
Hello, My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father; prepare to die.

>>98046114
It actually reads a bit like the 4e Shamans. Wonder if those were inspired by a TSR Antecdent the way Avengers were.

>>98046725
The only thing I can say about MorkBorg is that I'm pretty sure those are Ork gods.

>>98046373
>Their magic leaves them disfigured!
>Pic is a generic ass guy in a toga with skulls
Swear to fucking God. DCC was doing this bit in 2012 and giving the Magic Users tentacle heads, invisible limbs and fucked up eyes. You had one job and got mogged at it by a d20 book. Absolutely disgraceful.

>>98045514
>Getting a 2e game going.
Not OSR, sorry. You'll have to discuss that somewhere other than in an OSR thread.

>>98045516
Of course this is the place to discuss ACKS, it's the ACKS General. Where else are you supposed to talk about it?

>>98045520
What's the Assassin's Assassination Table like in ACKS II? Post as much detail as you like, the changes from AD&D are likely to be minor, I'm guessing.

>>98045601
Damn, when you put it that way, it's obvious that there's no reason ever to talk about or play 2e. Very illuminating.

>>98045625
The grift apparently is selling you an extremely complete game with a decade-plus of splatbooks revised and bundled with the core game at 5e corebook prices. Apparently that's the most villainous thing you can do in the eyes of a 2etard.

>>98045727
I for one am really enjoying your class breakdowns, I think they're going to make me a better DM and player.

>>98045894
Isn't this just an Elf? Why did he make the Elf a women-only class? Odd choice IMO.

>>98045965
ACKS and ACKS II are both sold out, actually. It wouldn't make sense to shill a product which cannot be purchased.

>>98046000
>Am I doing something monumentally retarded or not?
Yes, in that you're posting this in a troll thread made by a malding autist. You should probably ask /nsrg/, they actually play games there: >>97989049

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>>98046001
>starts an OSR thread
>claims that it's distinct specifically by including as many games as possible in the term of OSR, even ones that clearly aren't actually old-school in any way, shape or form
>gets mad when people discuss an OSR game in the thread

>>98046015
>he fails to draw the obvious conclusion from this

>>98046951
>What's the Assassin's Assassination Table like in ACKS II?
Assassination is a hijink (an abstracted downtime activity). Carrying it out requires a series of proficiency throws, it's not an exclusive prerogative of Assassins in ACKS II.

>>98046961
>Apparently that's the most villainous thing you can do in the eyes of a 2etard.
kek
It's funny because it's true.

>>98046978
>Isn't this just an Elf?
No. It's a Divine caster, and it specialises in fighting with no armour or light armour, so it gets bonuses related to that.

>>98046999
Could you elaborate on this? I don't know a lot about ACKS, but I'm very interested in talking about it in detail, in this thread.

>>98047008
>No. It's a Divine caster
Oh, I see, I guess that's the critical difference. I noticed the light-armor thing but that seems like such a common Elf house rule (after all, even AD&D doesn't allow casting in plate for an Elf F/MU) that I figured it was just an implementation of it.

>>98047015
ACKS is a game shilled by trolls. Everything good they can say about the game is a lie, and we've basically been forced to endure their presence here because they've been banned everywhere else they could shill.

>>98047021
tbf, acks is a bx game and bx elves can cast in plate

>>98047033
It's also a pretty big slab of shit of a game.
Bloated, slow, and ugly as fuck despite using undisclosed AI art.

>>98047033
Those trolls hijacked the /osrg/, apparently largely to create an echo chamber where they could shill their game without people pointing out its countless flaws and the general shittiness of its makers and players.

And, because these trolls are basically the kind of cunts that only know how to either troll or brigade, they've been flooding this thread only to have their precious game's art shown to be such hilariously bad AI that we've got everything from six-fingered paladins >>98045968 to whatever the fuck this creature is supposed to be >>98046114 .

>>98047055
Is the reason they're here because no one besides them goes to the /osrg/ anymore?
Bleak.

>>98047034
Well, that's what I was expecting! Hence my surprise when I thought he'd made the Elf class a human woman-exclusive.

>>98047021
>even AD&D doesn't allow casting in plate for an Elf F/MU
Wrong. Elves F/MU CAN cast in plate in AD&D. No restrictions whatsoever

>>98047033
Buddy, I think you're replying to the wrong post. I asked about assassination rules, not schizo theories.

>>98047086
Proof? 1e only mind you, I don't care about what some non-OSR edition changed.

>>98047055
>Those trolls hijacked the /osrg/,
False. Even the mods told you that /osrg/ has been the same for over a decade when you went to cry to them on IRC

>>98047033
>>98047039
>>98047055
>>98047067
Wow, you sound mad af, and definitely also like two people and not one guy replying to himself.

>>98047067
Kinda.

They're the kind of trolls happy to spend several hours flooding threads with shitposts because the only thing more important than shilling ACKS is being a cancerous pest. Considering the quality of the game, they might actually have flocked to it specifically because they knew it was so bad that advertising it would annoy people.

4chan is just the last place they can go, so they're going to react to anything that threatens their livelihood (ie. their ability to shill) here with the kind of tenacious energy you'd expect from the sort of masochists who'd willingly subject themselves to playing ACKS.

>>98047089
>Proof?
Look up the rulebook. No idea where you got that misconception from.

>1e only mind you
There's only one edition of AD&D, why call it 1e?

>I don't care about what some non-OSR edition changed.
It's actually "AD&D" 2e that doesn't allow elves F/MU to cast in plate. But that is off-topic he and it's not really AD&D anyway.

>>98047106
>malding
We're the only ones talking about games here. All you do is mald, gossip, talk about politics, bullshit like that. You've never ONCE made a post about games that wasn't a one liner to simulate discussion. And you've been on /tg/ for years at this point, fishfag.

>>98046114
I think this image is gonna make a great discussion point in the future.

>>98047107
>AD&D, why call it 1e
thats been explained, fucktard:
1. Because we have a resident 2etard troll
2. To provide clarity for those might might be decieved by such a 2etard
>you can still call it "AD&D 1e" if that's what you like.
your own words
>>98047107
>Look up the rulebook
or instead of being a dick you could just inform him that he's misremembering it with elven multiclass thieves
>>98047106
you dont play games, nor do you post about them. care to tell us about your campaign?

>>98047119
That's the lie you need to try and push, all while you flood a thread despite already having a hugbox that no one bothers you in.

You've realized that no one needs to try and trash your thread to make it shit? And yet, look how much ACKS you had to try and dump into this one to try and get people to run from your stench.

>>98047127
We're not flooding anything, we're talking about ACKS II, that is on-topic. It's also literally the only discussion in this thread.

>>98047125
>>you can still call it "AD&D 1e" if that's what you like.
>your own words
Huh? I didn't say anything like that.

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>>98047127
>discussion of a game is flooding
you literally cant even make a legible character sheet.
please post about your game now, instead of meta-bitching that people arent being inclusive enough ;(

>>98047107
>No idea where you got that misconception from.
You know what, now that I look I can't find an explicit prohibition on spellcasting in armor. The M-U just doesn't have armor proficiency. I might just have confused this with thieving skills.

>But [2e] is off-topic here and it's not really AD&D anyway.
Very true.

>>98047139
sure thing

>>98047033
>>98047067
>>98047106
Reminder not to feed this troll. Let's keep the thread clean, guys. Keep talking about games and consider reporting any discussion that's not about games as off-topic

>>98047119
There's a been quite a lot of game discussion, mostly about just how inept the ACKS makers have to be to let such bad AI art make it to the final print while lying to everyone that only minor amounts of AI art were used.

Discussing the shitty mechanics has been done to death, and all just to have you squirm and twist, kind of like you're doing now. You're faced with pretty objective evidence of severe scumbag behavior from the makers of ACKS, and you think anyone except your little cult would care about a game made by that level of a scumbag.

Ignoring the general AI morality questions, there's really no way to say "Guy selling a game said it doesn't have much AI art when it's predominantly incredibly low quality AI art" without that guy being synonymous with a grifting scammer.

>>98047106
It's weird that you would start an OSR thread and then get mad when people discuss OSR games in it, even as you insist this thread is meningfully different from /osrg/ by allowing more games. It's also weird that you keep insisting that OSR is a term defined by how it's used by the community, but then when the community here consistently defines it in a particular way you get furious. Don't the obvious contradictions in your behavior register to you?

>>98047145
If you look in the section on multiclassing it actually discusses Demi-Human F/MU explicitly. Human F/MU cannot cast in armour. In ANY armour, actually

>>98047155
>malding about art
That's not *game* discussion at all.

>>98047156
We're just talking about how bad the game is and how awful the people who made it are.
If you don't want to hear that, you probably should head back to your hugbox.

>>98047155
cool, so instead of talking about games youre playing, youre reduced to meta-bitching about sloppa.
yawn.
Do you actually have a running game?

>>98047155
Discussion about art and gossip about reddit and RPGnet is not talking about games.

>>98047165
nigger you are the one who belongs to rpgnet and reddit.
we dont care if literal hitler made the game, we obviously are going to play it no matter how much you whine.

>>98047165
>hugbox
lmao you're the plebbitor from RPGnet, fishfag. Stop projecting, the BrOSR needs no safe space. We're here to conquer.

>>98047021
Check out pretty much any 1st edition AD&D modules (G1-3 is the best example) or Dragon Magazine adventures and elven F/M-U will be in all sorts of armor. So, unless players were supposed to strip in combat, then they could cast in armor. Elven chain was a late addition to the 1st edition.

>>98047151
>fishy

>>98047179
Opps I meant D1-2 as it has the most elves.

>>98047179
It's actually spelled out explicitly in the PHB, no need to check modules or magazines.

>>98047159
Huh. I was going to say that I couldn't find any clear statement that a multiclass F/MU could cast in armor, just that the dual-classed human F/MU can't, but then I realized the only explicitly affirmative statement (that I could locate, anyway) that Elf F/MU's *can* cast in armor is at the end of the example of a dual-class character.

Thanks, Anon!

>>98047162
At the point where you're begging people to only discuss mechanics just to avoid talking about ACKS scamming people who didn't realize they'd be paying for a book filled with AI generated art is the point where you're kind of forgetting just how much there is to a game.

Remember, people have different and genuine moral opinions about AI art. Some go well out of their way to avoid it, whether it's because most of the models are trained using stolen art, or that it's severely damaging the art market, or even just that they're Amish or Ludites. Tricking them into purchasing a game and supporting a company that willingly used undisclosed AI art is a fairly heinous act akin to tricking a vegan into eating meat.

Companies have been under severe fire for even using disclosed AI art. It's hardly undue to focus on the actions of a company that used undisclosed AI art.

>>98047166
>Do you actually have a running game?
Yeah, his game is called "shit up the whole /tg/ by spamming threads and whinging". He's been playing it for years and he's actually a master at it.

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>>98047182
suck my fishstick

>>98047190
Glad to help!

>>98047192
>more whinging and gossiping
Stop acting like a girl, faggot.

>>98047165
Excuse me, but why do you think you can command people to go to another thread when every time someone points out this is a troll thread and directs OSR discussion to /osrg/, you smugly insist that anyone can post anything wherever they want? Which is it?

(Also, what practical purpose do you see reeeing and telling people to go back to their supposed hugbox as having, given that it's clearly completely ineffectual? You evidently do not have the power to command anons or even to delete their posts, so wouldn't it be better to seethe furiously in private, instead of malding openly where everyone can relish it? It seems obvious that you are fucking up here, in an easily preventable fashion.)

>>98047195
>suck my fishstick
1e or 2e?

>>98047192
no, just discuss games youre playing too.

you can talk whatever shit you want, but at least attach something on-topic, like your last session, character plans, dungeon stocking, etc.

if you care this much, start a petition, or call your congressman, or threaten to sue autarch.
but why take out your hatred of acks on 4chan?

>>98047179
>Elven chain was a late addition to the 1st edition.
Elfin chain is in the DMG.

>>98047204
2e, as it is the LGBTQUIAPP++ edition, after all

>>98047207
ive truly never understood elven chain. its weightless like magic armor, but not magical, and is more rare than magic armor?
does acks fix this?

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>>98047194
You're the guy who went into every thread, flooded it, and this lead to someone else to make a new one. The proliferation of threads was a direct result of you being unable to tolerate people leaving you in your echo chamber.

You keep on trying to push various lies, and your favorite is your "There's only one person who disagrees with me" one that you will happily carry to your grave.

This thread is just going to hit the bump limit, another one will be made (perhaps by the OP of this one, perhaps by someone else), and the largest take-away is just going to be the hilariously shitty AI art and the not-quite-so-hilariously degree of depravity and attempts to defend it and its use from the ACKS shills.

People have already figured out when you guys are least active and are able to hold discussions without having to step over your posts constantly. You're basically training them in how to ruin your efforts to kill Open OSR discussion and just make you waste your time while providing ammunition to your opposition.

>>98047211
This seemed like it might actually turn into a real conversation so I replied to it in the real thread: >>98047225

>>98047206
>but why take out your hatred of acks on 4chan?
Hey, you wanted to discuss ACKS, let's talks ACKS.

Particularly let's talk about how bad it is for ACKS to sell books with undiclosed but incredibly obvious and terrible AI art. People have boycotted games for less. Hell, people have banned games from websites just because their tiny fanbase exclusively consists of mindless trolls.

>>98047218
>People have already figured out when you guys are least active and are able to hold discussions without having to step over your posts constantly.
That's strange, considering no discussions are actually being held. That being the case, how did you obtain proof of your claim? Who are these alleged people? What are they supposed to be talking about?

>>98047233
>People have boycotted games for less.
Well, ACKS is such a good game that people don't want to boycott it anyway, and in fact the rulebook is sold out.

>>98047218
>You're the guy who went into every thread, flooded it
We're the online ones talking about games here, while you gossip and whinge

>>98047233
>ACKS to sell books with undiclosed but incredibly obvious and terrible AI art.

I'm kinda surprised this gets buried beneath all the other bad stuff about the game.

That's pretty big deal.

It's kind of a testament of how bad the mechanics are and how bad the fanbase is and how dumb the politics are that a game chock full of AI art that its creator directly lied about gets more hate for the previous parts.

>>98047233
>let's talk about how bad it is for ACKS to sell books with undiclosed but incredibly obvious and terrible AI art.
I don't give a fuck. I use rulebooks to play, not to look at the pictures, nogames.


>Hell, people have banned games from websites
Here he goes again about how much he likes plebbit and RPGnet. Go back there, fishfag. They're more up your speed.

>>98047257
>how bad the mechanics are
Generic criticism with no substance as usual. We've already established that you don't know anything about ACKS, like when you claimed that it has feats and PCs need to choose the adventuring proficiency to search for secret doors, both made up bullshit.

The truth is you hate ACKS for political reasons. Go back to your safe spaces on plebbit and RPGnet, faggot.

>>98047257
That's not really that surprising. The ACKS shills can argue endlessly about the mechanics from a subjective stance, and it's not a crime to sell a game with shit mechanics. A game having a shitty fanbase that's been banned from several websites is also something that these trolls have tried to wear as a badge of honor, to the point where they go out of their way to present themselves as trolls. But, the AI thing is something the trolls really don't want people discussing, as you can see with the continued efforts they put into flooding the thread and even begging that the discussion be shifted to something else.

>>98047277
>even begging that the discussion be shifted to something else.
Lmao, is that what you think?
On the contrary, I don't care about the AI art but every post you spend whingeing about it is one more step this shitty troll thread takes in the abyss. You bawwing serves my purposes, so keep going.

>>98047202
Well? You're clearly in the thread, Fishfag; any answer to this?

>>98047277
>even begging that the discussion be shifted to something else
LMAO
Again with the broken theory of mind and talking to himself.

>>98047233
that's your opinion, and I dont care.
If people didnt want to keep paying for acks, the elf and dwarf books wouldnt have funded.

Lets talk about actual table play though, what system are you running, how long has your game been going, and what happened last session?

>>98047233
>>98047257
>>98047277
Samefishfag

>>98047257
>That's pretty big deal.
to who?
>>98047277
>have tried to wear as a badge of honor
being banned from reddit and rpgnet is a good thing, yes
>the AI thing is something the trolls really don't want people discussing
discuss all you want, we just dont care.
we're busy trying to discuss acks, and you keep shrieking
>AI ITS AI WE GOT AI HERE!
but we dont care

>>98047230
nigger Ill discuss what I want where I want. stealing your post.
>>98047211
Elfin chain is a lot like the cloak and boots of elvenkind in that they seem to be intended to justify why NPC elves have movement rates for their AC and stealth abilities that don't seem justified by the standard rules and that PC elves don't share.

Of course, that creates the added problem that PCs could farm essentially limitless numbers of these items by just killing level 1 elves.

>>98047277
I remember how much trouble WotC got in when only a few pieces of AI art got into one of their books.

It was wild. Headlines everywhere. Everyone was reporting on it.

The artist was thrown under the bus and probably has their entire life ruined, and I think some WotC employees also got fired.

They had to spend months being super anti-AI and making lots and lots of promises about how they'd never, ever use AI again.

>>98047225
>Elfin chain is a lot like the cloak and boots of elvenkind in that they seem to be intended to justify why NPC elves
except the boots and cloak have clear defined use cases

>>98047312
WAOWIE ZAOWIE!
better sound the alarm bells and rouse reddit, we need to BOYCOTT this literal AI-fueled nazi game!!!

>>98047312
I vaguely remember that. I'm not even sure it was art in a book, just some marketing art. I do remember fifty threads about it here though.

>>98047312
>shitlibs cry and shit themselves over AI art
>ruin shitlib artist's life, other shitlib artists must toil in the paint caves by the sweat of their brows
>based BrOSR CHÄDS just use the AI to generate more images of Conan with Macris' face
>sales of ACKS continue unabated
>chud artists relaxing with a drink at the poolside while their robot slaves work

Do you guys even like ACKS, or is it just a bludgeon for you to use against your perceived enemies?

>>98047333
yeah, i play it weekly atm.
why would talking about a game I play be so offensive?

>>98045421
My man, you need to stop taking the bait when this game is brought up.

>>98047336
Because like half the posts in this thread are like this >>98047332. Glad you actually like it though anon.

>>98047338
He's incapable of that. The whole reason he's called Fishfag is because he had a disproportionate melty when a guy running the game described an inoffensive use he made of the game's rules to get a good gameplay outcome. Something about the game just fucking torques him beyond belief, I think the running theory is that he's just mad about the creator having been the lawyer for a homosexual at one point.

>>98047347
that post is a clear reaction the fact that we are trying to discuss acks in peace, and we cant getting replied to with
>BUT IT HAS AI ART, IT WAS A SCAM, A GRIFT, A HEIST!!!
and we dont care.

Its a game many people enjoy, and despite your autism, people are allowed to enjoy something you hate.

if you really want to complain, why are you complaining here on 4chan to people who straight up dont care about your position?

>>98047347
What you have to understand about posts like that is that they're mocking deranged shit that the ACKS hating guy has said previously, e.g. the "BrOSR" doesn't really exist, it's like four guys running a campaign together who wrote about that in 2022 or some shit, but he latched onto it and is fixated with this idea that they're a conspiracy which everyone who disagrees with his schizo shit (in other words, every normal person) belongs to who are trying to take over the OSR, whatever that would even mean. So now anons post as these supposed villains just to fuck with him and make fun of how crazy he is, but the anti-ACKS guy is so bugfuck nuts he seems to actually take the posts at face value.

>>98047356
I'm not really complaining, more observing that the admiration I see /osrg/ express for this game seems to be rooted in spite more than any actual merits for the game they bring up.

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>>98047327
That was some MtG thing. The D&D book thing happened later.

One part of it was an artist just using AI to finish up three pieces of art, like get them the final 5% there. The problem is that it made the final pieces look off and weird.

People protested, threatened boycotts, and WotC tried to calm things down by saying it was the artist doing it on his own and they gave the artist a stern talk about not using generative AI for art in the future.

But it was a huge scandal. People were really, really upset, and harassed the artist until he had to delete his entire online presence.

And that was all just a pretty innocent event, not something like deliberately putting full AI generated art in a book without saying anything.

>this whole thread
lmao why are osr troons so retarded? no wonder they play such shit idiotic "systems"

>>98047369
If it seems that way, it is because we have a resident troll who has been actively shitting all over the board anytime the game is mentioned in any thread, and after literally years of this, we have gotten fed up and have decided to become the aggressors.

>>98047338
They were just carrying on from the previous thread. If their goal is to flood threads with shillposts while acting like they just innocently want to discuss a game here rather than in its designate containment thread, I think the fair answer is to make sure no one could encounter their posts without realizing just how hollow and full of shit they are.

It's not like they're going to stop flooding either way while they're awake, so it's at least a good way for people to see more than just what kind of pieces of shit these trolls are, but why they're the kind of pieces of shit they are.

>>98047369
The best part is their "spite" is directed at an imaginary individual who's supposed to be made up of every person who's ever said anything mean about their favorite game.

>>98047380
This whole thing seems very two sided. I doubt that constantly trolling eachother is going to lead to this issue being resolved.

>>98047380
Hey, to be fair, the guy DID sell a game that he lied about how much AI art was in it. It having AI art at all is pretty bad, but lying about how most of it was AI art probably deserves him being run out of town, tarred and feathered.

>>98047382
What does having them show "a good way for people to see more than just what kind of pieces of shit these trolls are" actually do? It's not like /tg/ users can vote to have other /tg/ users banned. This fight has been going on across the board for at least the past six months, with no real signs of slowing down. I think most people on the board's impression of this whole fight is that everyone is involved is annoying and retarded.

>>98047333
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>>98047375
It almost makes me want to make a thread just to address the whole ACKS AI art thing.

It's not nice to fill up a thread with any kind of ACKS discussion, even if most of the stuff here was making fun of the insanely bad ACKS art, so at least a separate thread might keep the ACKS trolls busy while also making the issue considerably more visible, and also bring in more people to help point out and explain the different AI mistakes.

A lot of people don't have that much experience with AI generation, so they can't identify it as easily as other people. A thread that helps educate people on what to look out for while helping people understand just what kind of scams people are willing to pull with AI art these days could be pretty beneficial to people as a whole.

>>98047393
Cool, I still don't care one bit, your arguments mean nothing to me, and if you want to find an audience who is receptive, you should go and talk to the people who were supposedly scammed.
Otherwise you're just pissing into the wind
>>98047388
>two sided
Yeah, that was literally what I said.

>>98047380
don't worry, everybody thinks you're all retards and always thought that, you don't even need all this effort

>>98047415
Great, do so I'm sure it will be a very lively thread with lots of involved interaction!

>>98047396
It helps to avoid getting caught up in their lies, for one thing. The main issue with these trolls is that they don't just stick with one form of trying to gaslight /tg/, but move from topic to topic, and once they're bored with one they'll just start trolling about something new.
It's probably impossible to get them banned or even for banning a whole topic to matter, because even if they didn't just evade the ban, they'd eventually just find something new to troll about. The only defense this board has against them is to learn how they troll, and to avoid their lies.

>>98047417
What I'm saying is that "Years of being fed up" is downplaying your part in it. You guys have been at this with eachother for the past half year at least. The refrain of "But he started it!" doesn't mean anything, especially not on an anonymous image board, where it's often dubious who "He" even is. I don't care who started it, I want to know how to finish it.

>>98047437
>I want to know how to finish it.
Cool, then contact the mods on IRC and tell them the situation and your position, and let us know what they say!

>>98047434
This one had quite a bit, particularly when this fantastic piece dropped >>98046114.

Also remember: the art spammed in this thread was just the stuff the shills were willing to show. I'm definitely betting on their being real showpieces of even worse AI art in those books.

>>98047437
you're talking to a troll falseflagger who makes up any excuse to shit up threads you retard

>>98047430
Cool, I haven't cared what normies think about me since middle school

>>98047445
Acting like a vulgar petulant child doesn't actually convince people that you are telling the truth

>>98047442
You are free and welcome to look through the PDFs and post as much bad AI art and criticisms of it as you would like!

Maybe you will even sway some people to your side, but people that already play the game aren't going to be interestedMaybe you will even sway some people to your side, but people that already play the game aren't going to be interested

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>>98047476
I'm replying to you in a pretty well reasoned polite manner, meanwhile you were taking every opportunity to try and be vituperative.

>>98047415
There was a HUGE amount of posts in the last thread about this stuff.
It's worth looking at in general.
It started with someone flooding with some ACKS monsters,
then someone saying those looked like AI,
and then a guy say that Macris had made a reddit post saying that specific artist (who did half the art in the books) didn't use any AI (and that the only AI art in the book was one artist who used AI-assisted art for some minor space-filling images).
Then it was a dive into that artist's Instagram, and it was undeniable that he used AI heavily while never saying he did.
Now we've also got this thread where it's pretty obvious that all the main class images are AI.
This is barely the tip of the iceberg.

>>98047480
Nah, I'm the guy he was calling a retard. I'm more pointing out that both sides of this argument frequently come across as petulant children. And I say that as someone who largely agrees with the 2e/"Fishfag" faction.

>>98047388
>I doubt that constantly trolling eachother is going to lead to this issue being resolved.
You've mistaken it for a resolvable issue. The actual issue is neither of the trolling parties plays any games. They're just here to shit. Its all they know and all they can do.

>>98047481
There's not really some iceberg or big conspiracy theory to unearth, lots of the art is AI, and the author has said as much.
I encourage your efforts if you want to make a project though!

>>98047481
I oughta give the ACKS2 PDF a look, I'm legitimately curious what percentage of the art is AI slop. I've only ever read the first edition and some of its sourcebooks.

>>98047484
I play twice weekly actually, sometimes three times, one of which is ACKS.
I'd be more than happy to tell you about my games or share my character sheets, if you're willing to do the same!

>>98047490
Sure, you should create a spreadsheet and document all of your findings!

>>98047466
>but people that already play the game aren't going to be interested
I'd still bet they'd try to flood the thread one way or the other. Either way, couldn't hurt.
In one scenario, they try flooding it and give other threads a respite while drawing even more attention to what kind of brigading trolls they are.
In the other scenario, they leave it alone and it can be a nice mix of "AI Art Ethics" along with "ACKS is a garbage game with garbage people, let's laugh at how he thought he could pass off this art as not being AI" and who knows what else.

>>98047495
>I don't even like ACKS, and it still has me making fucking spreadsheets for the game
I see your tricks, Macris

>>98047499
hey, if you dont document your work, its hardly going to be easily displayed to other people.
>>98047496
go on ahead!
>ACKS is a garbage game
can you specify your cirticism of the game itself?
>with garbage people
this just sounds rent free derangement. care to explain why ACKS has "garbage people"?

>>98047483
>And I say that as someone who largely agrees with the 2e/"Fishfag" faction.
Unless by that you just mean you dont care for ACKS much, that honestly either makes you completely ignorant or a dumb motherfucker.

>>98047492
No one on either side of your bullshit is capable of posting in good faith. The well's so permafucked no sane poster wants to engage with your attempts.

>>98047437
>I want to know how to finish it.
It's actually very simple: just convince the fishnigger to stop trying to redefine OSR and push his fake definition on the board. If you believe there's more than one of them. convince all of them to knock it off. This literally is just one guy malding about his shit never belonging in /osrg/, and the thing is, we're fine with him malding too, as long as he does it in private. Get him to keep his salt to himself. That's it.

>>98047506
Nah, I mean in the sense that I think 2e belongs in the OSR. Despite having this discussion with what I assume are /osrg/ guys a few different times, I've never really found their arguments for its exclusion particularly convincing.

I'm neutral on ACKS. I respect what it's attempting overall, but I don't think it will actually be good until it has publicly available automation tools. I don't really like feats in my retroclones.

>>98047510
I'm posting in good faith right now, and i and more than happy to post about my games and discuss what you are playing as well, if you want to talk about gaming and not complaining about games that other people play!
Deal?