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>>203085738belly too small
You are a student in the Citadel: choose two links to receive after you mastered their subjects.
>yfw locusts
Cute and canon!
>But there were others with faces he had never known in life, faces he had seen only in stone. The slim, sad girl who wore a crown of pale blue roses and a white gown spattered with gore could only be Lyannauh rhaegar bros, why the FUCK is Lyanna sad if she went with Rhaegar by choice and wasn't held prisoner?
ARE YOU COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR BLOODY MIND, AEGON? KILLING THE RATCATCHERS? ARE YOU THAT FUCKING STUPID? DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE? THOSE MEN WERE LOYAL! THEY KNEW EVERY TUNNEL, EVERY SHADOW IN THIS DAMN KEEP! THEY WERE OUR EYES AND EARS! YOU THINK THE CROWN LETS YOU DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT?
>GRRM>And believe me we need that, more than ever before. The world, the country, and yes, certainly me. This has not been a good year for anyone, with war everywhere and fascism on the rise… and on a more personal level, I have had a pretty wretched year as well, one full of stress, anger, conflict, and defeat.What the hell is he talking about? What fascism? Is he talking about the presidential coup that occurred?
>>203085855>why the FUCK is Lyanna sad if she went with RhaegarBecause he fucking died. And then she died.
>>203085738Imagine you completed your training to be a maester and you get assigned to House Bolton
>>203085917>free training in anatomybased
>>203085917I would be thrilled if I was a specialist in necromancy and human experiments
>>203085917I'd unironically enjoy that as the Boltons should be the lords of the North and not the Starkcucks.
Anyone else noticed this? The men Alicent and Rhaenyra fucked share the same blood. Alicent fucked Viserys and Rhaenyra fucked Viserys' brother, Daemon. Rhaenyra fucked Harwin Strong and Alicent had a weird relationship with Harwin's brother, Larys.Alicent and Rhaenyra fucked the same man too, Criston Cole.
TAOOBA...?
>>203086001Yes but slowly
>>203086001She's gone.
>>203086001what an absolute nothinburger of a scene
>>>203085768>Lord Lyonel announced his intention to marry his father's widow, but the reigning High Septon forbade the union as a form of incest. >However, Lyonel kept Samantha as his paramour for thirteen years and fathered six children on her.>Lyonel and Lady Sam attended the coronation of King Aegon III Targaryen and his wedding to Queen Jaehaera Targaryen, with their presence being so great a scandal that the High Septon refused to travel with them.>Relations between the Hightowers and the Faith of the Seven soured when the High Septon commanded Lady Sam to remove herself from her step-son's bed and take vows as a silent sister as penance. >When she refused, the High Septon condemned her as a shameless fornicator and forbade her to set foot in the Starry Sept until she repented. >Instead, Samantha mounted a warhorse and burst into the Starry Sept as the High Septon was leading prayer, claiming that while she could not set foot there, the High Septon had said nothing of her horse's hooves, and commanded her men to close the doors, as the sept should be closed to all if it was closed for her. >Though the High Septon grew furious, he had no choice but to relentBullying the high Septon to recognize your illegal marriage is a proud and time-honed Westerosi tradition.Teenage and pregnant Cersei would girlboss all over him while nursing a glass of wine and then everyone would clap.
>>203085982Yes, can they fuck each other now
I dont think I will ever rewatch hotd
>>203086023this, GRRM hates centralized religion so the High Septon is always corrupt until the High Sparrow comes in>The High Septon, known as the fat one, is a grossly fat man who has been High Septon for many years. He is regarded by many lords and smallfolk as corrupt>next septon is selected directly by Tyrion so he will annul Sansa and Joffrey's betrothal
>I do not look forward to other posts I need to write, about everything that’s gone wrong with HOUSE OF THE DRAGON… but I need to do that too, and I will. Not today, though. TODAY is Zozobra’s day, when we turn away from gloom.What did GRRM mean by this?
>>203086074I already did. Yes, I'm a rogue c.uck
>>203085902What coup?
>>203086023Not while the Martells, the other great houses who are massively wary of a sudden Lannister upswing and potentially the king himself are all chimping out
>>203085809If I am being assigned to a keep then the most vital to learn seems to be healing/medicine and ravenry.
The more I read about the non-asoiaf related stuff, the world building, the more I come to hate GRRM as a weak, fat hypocrite. He stole a shitload from RE Howard and HP Lovecraft, and it goes way beyond anything like inspiration or parody, the fat can of shit just blatantly rips off names and species and as he so derisively put it, “made it his own”.
>>203086074I watched it 3 times. One by myself, one with my friend and another with my momSeason 1 I've watched like 5 times by now
>dynasty falls because a grown man couldn't stop himself from cooming over a 14 year old who was considered skinny and boyishtarg bros...
>>203086714I blame Aerys for not marrying Rhaegar off to Cersei. Even with Rhaegar's escapades Tywin still would've brought gold and steel in defence of the Iron Throne and won the rebellion in its infancy.
>>203086714He just like me fr fr (no cap)
>aegons bloodline becomes Duncan the tall, Davos seaworth and Karl tannerBlacksissies….
This general is now dead
>>203086935https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THQ5qv2YYsg
>>203085738Why didn't Daenerys impregnate Sansa? That way she could've created a child of Ice and Fire to fulfill the prophecy
>>203087066She lacked a dick.
>>203086407Doran won't do shit.All his neighbours would rather raise up another Blackfyre pretender than be vaguely associated with Dorne.
>>203086023What a faggy story the libcuck George concocted. In real the men would view that as an affront on their faith and would rip the bitch off her high horse.
>>203086368In the US the current standing president was forced out of running by corrupt officials in his party even though he was elected in the primary election by the citizens of America.
How could you possibly not be a Freychad by now?
Lord Mudton of Redearth doesn't know hot to make a tripcode
>>203085738>I mean, Osama Bin Laden is a beloved billionaire Arab by the people of New York.
>>203085809Tantric sex and anime
ITS UPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrbiMapqkYw
>>203085891Cats are loyal. They can deal with the rats.
Replacing the ratcatchers with rats was an objectively bad call.Cats are better than humans at the act of chasing rats HOWEVER:I've never known cats to put down hundreds of traps and poison.
So who sent the catspaw to kill Bran? You don't actually believe it was Joffrey, right?
>>203087627Being a Lothson chad, Jon Lothson will recieve Harrenhal for his service to Aegon.
>>203088360Based pimp.
>>203085917I check if Bolt-on theory is true by stabbing Roose with glass candle through the heart and throwing body to the fire.
>>203087105Dragons can change their sex at will for reproductive purposes.
>>203088328Joffrey
>>203088328Future Bran
>>203088460Fake news. World says this isn't true.
>>203088328George
>>203088456The only way Roose can be defeated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAom8ws8qp4
>>203088556Kek
>>203088539Then how did Drogon breed Viseryon to create Drogaryion in that sample chapter from Winds?
Barbrey Dustin suspects Roose may vie for the Iron Throne. Realistically, how do you think Roose could achieve this?
>>203088328Balerion.
>>203088587That wasn't winds, that was Drogon III from Preston's fanfic
>>203088587Viseryon is female, Daenerys knows shit about reptile anatomy.Also subtle suggestion that Viserys got raped by khal Drogo.
>>203088328Euron. It was Euron's dragonbone dagger and he knew Bran was being groomed by Bloodraven so he wanted to eliminate him.
>SHE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD! WHO WANTS TO TRY NEXT?
>>203088555>George Graceford was the Lord of Holyhall and the head of House Graceford during the Dance of the Dragons.Huh? Digits don't lie though.
THE RATCATCHERS
>>203088637>Viseryon is female, Daenerys knows shit about reptile anatomy.>Also subtle suggestion that Viserys got raped by khal Drogo.Make it fucking stop. You people need to not only be gelded but also muted.
>>203088328Mance or LittlefingerAn absolutely dedicated catspaw who didn't immediately flee the area with the money they were already given, and resourceful enough to set the fire as a distraction
>>203088653No, Euron sent Jamie to knock Bran out of the window. He knew Bran was being groomed by Bloodraven so he took away the functions of Bran's lower extremities
>>203088734Why do you think he hated riding horse and was so happy to ride a cart?>Make it fucking stop."No."
>>203088637>Also subtle suggestion that Viserys got raped by khal Drogo.meds now
>>203088767Joke's on him. The only lower extremity of Bran's Bloodraven was interested in is still fully functional. At least for Bloodraven's purposes. I'm talking about his butt
>>203088790I genuinely hope you get almost raped in real life, woman. This isn't healthy to be posting this stuff.
>>203088767>Euron himself is being warged into by a powerful mage from the future who is trying to stop Bran from becoming king coomer
>>203087727I know how but can't be bothered since this name is just some endearing LARPish thing to use in these /got/hotd/ threads. I'll use it again after the general dies only when it comes back for dunk.
>>203088869Euron will get stuck warging into dusky woman and Victarion will fuck xim.
>>203088899Euron is trans confirmed?
>>203088637>"she" thiks the dragoncock cathces rather than pitchesVizzy had that big brown buck oiled up and down on all four moaning for massa like it was 120 BC.
>>203087627>that frey in the far left Mouthbreather chads rise up!Captcha: D00D
>>203088918He will be.
FUN FACT: Did you know the term "warging" technically only refers to the act of skinchangin a wolf specifically? It doesn't matter because the fandom universally uses the term to refer to skinchanging in general and everyone knows what you're talking about when you say it. But, nonetheless, it is technically incorrect. Which is the worst kind of incorrect.
>>203088328it was Bloodraven
>>203085809What subject area taught at the CitadelUnironically seems like a cool place desu and I hope we find out more about their relationship with the Hightowers
>>203088987Thank you Stannis
>>203088328It was Ned. Yes, I'm aware that we have access to his thoughts and he never thought about it at any point in the book, but he also never thought about Jon's true parentage either. He's not a thoughtful man. The Starks have quick tempers and completely empty minds
>>203086160If he’s oh so upset then why doesn’t he finish the books and correct the record
targ nation sisters…I’m killing myself…
>>203088520ProbablyBran’s storyline is going to be like Attack on Titan where he has to fuck over past Bran in order to save the world
>>203088987Yes, actually. I read it in my copy of The World of Ice and Fire™.
>>203086160He's working really hard on the blog post but he's not going to make any promises about when it's going to be posted. He already wrote most of it but he had to throw out some parts. He's committing to not working on anything else until he's finished this blog post.
>>203088890Damn, I liked you, Lord Mudton. Hope to see you again with Dunk & Egg.
>>203088987Makes sense. A warg is a mythical type of wolf, I believe. I know this from Witcher 3.
>>203085738I just want to give a quick shout out to my nigga Belwas
>>203089122>the man with a cuck hat and a coat of cuck arms got cucked to death by Lancel and the moon boy too for all I know>Aerys' incest-spawned grandson has ruled the realm for 20 years>a member of a Targ cadet branch is the only person likely to challenge himThis will cause immeasurable asshurt all over the global south but the Targs fucking won.
>>203085738Not gonna lie… what the Lannister’s did to the Targaryens was fucking monstrous. I just realised that now
Who would win in a fight between Duncan the Tall and Aemon the Dragonknight?
>>203089325How many did the Targa burn over the centuriesCheckmate dragon cucks
>>203085738Asoiaf confession: Wyman’s ‘The North Remembers’ speech makes me tear up every time
>>203089325Tywin tried many times for reconciliation and cooperation. Aerys' reign was as good as it was because Tywin was Hand for twenty years.
>>203089372Dunk of Fleabottom
>>2030894181. Joanna Lannister's maidenheadWhat else?
>>203089322Heh
>>203089498Sometimes you've just got to hit them with that sex offender stare.
>>203088555Always that fucing guy
>>203089325Dragonspawn aren’t human
>>203089325Tywin always said the Targaryens were a glorified crew
>>203089504I want to take Sweetrobin and raise him as my own. He deserves better.
>>203088615Kill everyone ahead of him in succession.Even if that means everyone in Westeros.
>>203089477>fucking LANCEL>gatehouse Ami's husband>he got cucked to death by gatehouse Ami's husbandFeel free to present the finest cope in Rahjingagajar village but I'll tell you one thing and I'm not ashamed to say it, my estimation of House Baratheon as a ruling house just fucking plummeted.
>>203088615>Take over Ramsay's body>Make a daughter>Marry daughter to eventual son of Tommen/Aegon>Maybe take over daughter's body depending on how that works?>Take over the resulting crown prince's bodyGG EZ. He tried it before during Aegon's reign with Barbra Bolton but Aegon III had shit taste so it failed.
>>203089766>”the king will have 20 children, you will have 3”Cerseibros…
>almost 2 months since the season ended >thread is still more active than the Rings of Power thread which season just begun 2 days agoITS OVER ROPE SISTERS
>>203089850pure shit. both.
>>203089850it's like being the tallest midget
>>203089850they're both ass but at least got hotted has funny memes. rope general is just seethe 24/7
Speaking of shit shows, tried watching To Those About To Die.Boy what a stinker.
>GRRM attends HotD's s1 script writing period>GRRM stops attending HotD s2's script writing period>GRRM says he has no plans to attend s3's script writing period>HBO shits itself and cuts the eps from 10 to 8 very late in the day to an extent that they can't do anything about the ending for Season 2 making no sense>GRRM says that he enjoys early s2 while having problems with Blood & Cheese>GRRM doesn't say anything about anything HotD related post ep3 or ep4>GRRM posts a malding statement about "people trying to adapt the work of others inevitably try to make that work their own and improve upon it">GRRM goes on a rant about heraldry and HotD continually getting it wrong>GRRM is caught at a panel saying "Season 1 was amazing, Season 2? Hmm. I'll write a blog about that.">GRRM vaguely mentions that his blogpost about Season 2 isn't going to be positive because of the "number of problems">GRRM has people on tenterhooks to see if he's going to A) go scorched earth / B) just rag on HBO / C) rag on Hess/Condal / D) say meaningless vague statements and name no one, no thing, or something completely esoteric that only GRRM would have an issue with it (reminder that his least favourite scene in GoT is Robert's Boar Hunting scene in Season 1 because "there should be a royal procession not just 4 guys walking through the woods D:< )YOU ARE HERESo, how can people turn all of the above into cope-filled takes that "GRRM isn't mad about Season 2 completely shitting the bed, he's just mad about HBO cutting the episodes down from 10 to 8! That's the ONLY thing he could possibly be mad about!"
>>203090024Where do you even get the time to watch shows? I'm flat out watching movies.
>>203090022they've at least got "oh lawdy dem rangz"
>>203089913>>203090022>>203089953>its le shithow are you any different?
>>203090120what on earth are you trying to even say?
>>203090144the implication is that you are just as terrible as you think the show is
>>203090052The guy has become a master of keeping himself relevant while writing as little as humanly possible, be it books or blogposts.
>Wear it in silence, or I'll honor you again.How do you respond without sounding mad?
>>203090022Pretty much that. HOTD is bad, but is fun to shitpost about it.
>>203090228>your actions speak louder than my words ever could
>>203090084It's funny how that character got so memed before RoPe released only for her to turn out to be one of the most tolerable characters in the show.
>>203090228Throw up on my own shoes and fall over but in my head totally BTFO'd that guy.Another epic Cersei W.
>>203088615kek, no she doesn't. She says he's thinking king in the north because the Lannisters are fucked and a long winter is coming where the Iron Throne couldn't do shit about it anyway
Could prime Robert beat Rufio in a fight? Keep in mind that Rufio can fly and is racially ambiguous. He looks Asian but might also be South American.
Could prime Robert beat Ruffalo in a fight? Keep in mind that he played the Hulk and is racially ambiguous. He looks Puerto Rican but plays white guys all the time.
>>203090228Raven daddy to hire me a faceless man
>>203088328it's a GRRM retcon, he's a hack who doesn't create outlines so book 1 is a mess. He admitted this recently, basically saying he wishes he could have finished the series before publishinghe used to be smug about his "gardening" writing style, now he's ready to rope as his industry respect and legacy go into the gutter
>>203090446>Raven daddy George when he thinks about a Blackwood
>>203090377No. Robert, while strong, lacks the imagination necessary to take on a lost boy. And Rufio may be an actual demon. Peter Pan was a demon. It's why his ears are pointy. And in the original draft of the story, he kidnaps children and kills them when they get too old for him. Rufio fills in when Peter leaves, and is presumably cut from the same hellish cloth. >>203090428Yes, easily. Poor man's Clooney with none of the charm.
Could Robert beat Robert in a fight
>>203090448member the warden in the west plot line which makes very little sense
>>203090503Male children. He kidnaps male children. He's basically Michael Jackson. And for that reason, I believe that Robert could easily kill Rufio. Watch TCAP. Pedos are the wormiest little cowards alive. Not once in the entire run of the show did a single predator fight back. Even the ones who showed up armed.
>>203090511Tbf that's a big one, Bobby B vs Bobby Strong
>>203089322brownoids adore the Targshits and Rhoynar. They despise Andals for being actually white and not partaking in gay blood magic nonsense.
>>203090573He meant Robert Baratheon vs Robert Arryn.
>>203090596In that case, Sweetrobin wins. He's a powerful Greenseer and mage.
>>203090614kys preston
>>203090553whoops, warden of the east
Fucking up Asoiaf tv shows with wokeism feels different than trashing Tolkien related adaptations with this filth. The former is like your favorite bar being sold to a communist kibbutz university student fraternity while the latter is like dumping sewage into a church altar or onto your grandfather's gravestone. Both are really bad, but when it comes to Gurrm's work it already had not so subtle leftoid takes and you can at least mock and laugh at stupid liberals bankrupting the bar. Not so much in Tolkien's case, it's so sad it leaves a bad taste in your mouth to even think about it.
>>203090646>Fucking up Asoiaf tv shows with wokeismASOIAF was already woke. GRRM is a feminist peacenick hippie. Tolkien was a staunch conservative and Monarchist.
>>203090677Exactly.
>>203089058>The Starks have quick tempers and completely empty mindsModeled on the Balkans?
>>203090646The good thing is Rangs of Powah is a distant prequel, so it doesn't tarnishes Jackson's original trilogy.
More excited for GRRM's bridge burning post on HOTD than Winds.
>>203089221Thanks, anon. See you there.
>>203090581White people implicitly understand the Valyrian struggle.It is as if George sat down and read the Camp of the Saints and set out to comminicate the feeling of being undeer siege it evokes but with Volantene noblemen cowering behind the black walls and teeming masses of brownoids set on their destruction.
>>203089850>season 2 died for thisit wasn't worth it
What does /got/hotd/ thinks of House Mooton?
If Sara Hess says we are not supposed to care for the civilians killed by Rhaenys in the Dragonpit, then why are we then expected to care for Dyana, who is just a civilian?
>>203090614qrd
>>203090852King'sl anding smallfolk are horrible little mutant creatures. No one cares if they live or die, least of all they themselves.
>>203090774If you were rooting for rhaegar at the battle of the trident you are not white. Simple as
>>203090852A very post S5 mindset, civilian deaths in S1 are a big deal, someone like Mycah or Gerard even within the first few episodes
>>203090850Like a lot of the Riverland houses they just exude a lameness.
>>203090852This is a dumb reasoning considering the smallfalk plays an important part in season 2. To me it reads like she just made it because it was kill and didn't think about the possible consequences, so when she was asked that she said the first stupid shit that came to her head.
>>203090918OH WOOPS!!! UH OH!!!!
>>203090935You failed the test, Sukhdep. No need to humiliate yourself by publically confirming it.
>>203090852>It's Game of Thrones, civilians donät count!ratcatcherbros......
>>203090852What is, or would be, their response to asking>Why does it matter that Aegon, as it is implied, raped that maid?
>>203090375You're right, he may vie for King in the North, not King of the Seven Kingdoms. That makes a much clearer possible course of action. I'd say it could be done like this:>Phase One: Defeat Stannis at Winterfell (not on the Ice)>Phase Two: Consolidate power by crushing those who sided with Stannis or still hold a vengeance over the Red Wedding (Manderly must go extinct, who recieves White Harbour?), and cleanse the Night's Watch of Stannis' influence>Phase Three: Declare indepence and mobilise Northern forces to hold Moat Cailin against a fractured royal army, possibly gaining the loyalty of those who opposed him, now seeing Roose as carrying out Robb's aspirations, if differently
>>203090954Mallister and bracken carry
>>203090982Case in point.
>>203090850>mogged by Nymeria>mogged by the Lannisters>mogged by Randyll Tarly
>>203090983cope
>>203090677he tries to be but his story is fundamentally conservative even if he tries to fight it>Starks are the heroes, they lead the most conservative, rural kingdom and are the antithesis of the urbanized south. Seen as savages or fools for holding traditional values and gods>educated, enlightened southerners don't believe in magic, Others, or other traditional superstitions but are proven wrong>most of the heroes/major families have magical abilities carried through their blood, spitting in the face of blank slate equalityGRRM can't finish his story because it goes against his own personal ideology, so he's just stuck in a mental torture chamber
>>203090850House Codd > House Fisher > House Tully > House Mooton > House Shawney
>>203091022Targ dragons are no match for The Warrior and his sons
>>203090989"Rape" is worse than murder, chud
>>203090852i mean cole kills that ser in the wedding and nothing came of that. that was already telling of the writers shit ability.
>>203091050old gods also require human sacrifice, as does the drowned god. the seven are basically the only normal religion (and are therefore naturally hated by the lib author)
>>203091050Holy based
>>203090677GRRM accidentally wrote a story that shits all over his own morals and now he has no idea how to finish it.
>>203090723The Scots, but you comparison works better.
>>203090774>Valyrian struggle>white>inbred slaving sheep-herders from the Planetos equivalent of the Middle East
>Book accurate Team Black art >From left to right:Rhaenys, Corlys, Joffrey, Lucerys, Jacaerys, Rhaenyra, Daemon, Aegon III, Viserys II, Baela, Rhaena
>>203089086his books didn't change a single vote so he's demotivated.it seems he wishes he was a political activist instead of a writer.
>>203091268>White Velaryons >Black haired Rhaenys >Fat Rhaenyra >Attractive Daemon Fucking perfection!
>>203086484imo, the fat man didn't want to do world building but was "forced" by his publisher when the series became popular.
>>203091268Man, even Rahenys is attractive.
>>203091268I like the purple eyes
>>203091276>tolkien wrote his books during fucking WWII and cold war>GRRM mind broken by DrumpfSAD!
>>203091156I was about to disagree with you, but you're mostly correct. I would simply phrase it slightly differently. >GRRM accidently wrote a story that, when carried to its logical conclusion, completely shits on his own morals. For this reason, he has no idea how to finish it. His only real options are to choose a worthy King, which is anathema to his own ideology, or leave it as a world taken over by a spooky, omniscient and nigh-omnipotent tree wizard. He can either make a traditionalist story about good vs evil or 1984 with swords. Neither ending does much to support his political leanings. Although it doesn't need to. Just write a good story. That's all anyone really requires of him. No one should be expecting Martin to fix the world with his dragon stories.
>>203091058>>203091156I agree with you overall, the subtext Gomes against the author's intentions. But I think Gurrm is struggling to finish TWOW because he is unsure about Dany becoming mad and Bran being king/god emperor. He still wants these plots but he is thinking about how to delivery them without pissing off book fans and Khaleesi normgroids. Plus he probably wants to be ale to delivery at leats one big unforeseen plot twist, and that got very difficult after decades of fandom theories that discovered everything there is to be discovered in the books.
>>203091268We could have this instead they gave us black Velaryons...
>>203091268>that Rhaenysif only
>>203091365Goes against the author's intentions*
>>203091375I have to admit the actress is fine but she should've had pitch black hair.
>>203091362the worst evil in the entire universe, Euron, was fucking elected. George is a retard
>>203091268The Strong boys didn't look so out of place next to black haired Rhaenys.
>>203091362Even as a teenager, I knew it was obvious the series would end with like a kings moot system of electing an executive from the great lords. Or maybe a parliament of sorts Westeros can’t get “modern” in one generation but it can end on a progressive note
>>203090954>>203091011The only Riverlands house not extinct that has an intrinsic interesting or some appealing factor in and of itself is Mallister. I am a Bracken man over Blackwoods but, Brackens are ultimately only interesting by their relationship to the Blackwoods; you could argue that the same is not true for the Blackwoods with them being Old God worshipers, though to that is more than anything "Aren't the Blackwoods so cool being Old God worshipers? OLD GOD WORSHIPERS ARE SO COOL BECAUSE THE STARKS WORSHIP THE OLD GODS AND THE STARS THE BEST!", it is more GRRM wants us like the Blackwoods and that so much of fanbase has a fixation on the Old Gods / First Men that derives from the Starks and that gets also applied to Blackwoods rather than anything particular unique or specifically crafted about them. I opened with by saying not extinct as Mudd, Justman and Teague are interesting.
>>203091268White tomboy!Baela will short hair you will always have my heart
>>203091268The final redpill is realizing that there would've been a Dance of the Dragons even if Aegon and Aemond hadn't rebelled. Jace, Joff, Luke are still bastards, which means Aegon III and Viserys II have a much stronger claim to the throne. Daemon would also 100% want them to be King too, since they're his children, while Joff, Luke, and Jace aren't. The Greens would probably side with Daemon too funnily enough, since they're all about tradition and protecting their family from retaliation (due to them having a stronger claim)
>>203091520Daemon cares for Rhaenyra's sons and they are also his nephews so this wouldn't happen.
>>203091507elective monarchies just led to more noble oppressionsee Poland
>>203091507>I knew it was obvious the series would end with like a kings moot system of electing an executive from the great lordsThat's not a good system though. The Holy Roman Empire is proof that an elective monarchy is a really bad idea. The concept is way too easily corrupted, and it leads to an insanely decentralized government, with a country that's prone to infighting with nobles whom are all more powerful than the actual King.
Don't mind me, just posting the true American Tolkien.
>>203091520Daemon would be fine with the Strong boys because he was going to marry his daughters to them so if one of them was going to be king, his daughter would be a queen.
>>203091365>But I think Gurrm is struggling to finish TWOW because he is unsure about Dany becoming mad and Bran being king/god emperorI have no qualms with either of these plots and neither should George. Ending the story this way should not be seen as an endorsement of either of these outcomes. The Daenerys storyline is the easiest to "fix". If you want to end the story this way while keeping Dany's reputation intact, you can easily do so by having Aegon fuck her over. Just finagle it such that she attempts to take King's Landing and accidentally sets of the wildfire caches. The Lords of the realm then dub her the "Mad Queen" and the histories are written by the victors. The audience will understand that the histories aren't what they appear to be, which is a trope that GRRM clearly has a massive throbbing boner for, and he still doesn't have to advocate Monarchism. The subtext of the King Bran outcome is that the only effective King would have to be all-seeing, and thus we can still shit on the concept of monarchy. I think the real reason he's grown to fear this storyline is that it paints the Children of the Forest as creepy weirdoes and he doesn't want to look like he's shitting on indigenous people
>>203091640That's not Robert E. Howard, Michael Moorcock, or Robert Jordan, though
>>203091520If daemon wasn’t a retarded attention seeking autistic things could have turned out a lot different >born in the most prosperous peaceful time in history under the greatest king to ever live >chimp out like nigger for no reason
>>203091699>Michael MoorcockDoes he even count as properly American?>>203091640Based and Wolfepilled.
>>203091699based Conan chad.
>>203091699>MoorcockBritish. He only moved to America in the 90s. His before work was before that.
>>203091268Biggest disappointment ever
>>203091820Those wigs are atrocious.
>>203091640That's not an image of Jack Vance.
>>203091113>>203091050Are there more memes like this?
>Anons arguing about who is the American Tolkien>No one defending GRRM as the answerbased
>>203091892
>>203091689>The subtext of the King Bran outcome is that the only effective King would have to be all-seeingHe also doesn't have to advocate for such a system either. One thing I see in the fandom that has always confused me is that they rail against this ending because it's creepy and makes them uncomfortable. Preston says this all the time and I think a lot of people just mindlessly repeat it. But it's supposed to make you feel uncomfortable and it IS creepy and weird. Why the fuck ASOIAF fans are convinced that there will be a happy ending is very strange to me.
>>203091640Is that Mr Feeney?
>>203091268How do you go from this...
>>203091999>Geeny! GEE-EE-EE-EEEEEE-NAY!
>>203091222Another who failed the test.You hate to see it, you really do.
>>203092025...to THIS!?
>>203092037Eric Matthews was a bigger heartthrob than Shawn Hunter and I'm tired of pretending he wasn't
>>203091892.
>>203091050>pre-conquest westeros>stable>anything the andals touch>stableA speedreader AND a pajeet who jumps up and down and makes monkey noises while pretending to be white? Say it ain't so.
For me it is Lorath.
....semoc eH
>>203092164>Starks, gardeners, lannisters and Hightowers: hold dominion over their lands for 5000 years of consistent rule >targaryens: go extinct after a couple centuries Where’s that magic special blood tho? Why didn’t the dragons save them?
>>203091699>Robert E. HowardI only wish he'd had Tolkien's lifespan, instead of being a terminal mama's boy
>>203092200>place with weird history including deep ones, possible elder gods cult and a brief reign by Andals>it's called LORE-athBravos, Gurrm!
>>203092252>born with ability to see the future and nukes >go extinct >don’t even sacrifice themselves to save the world, just fail at everything they do and die They’re canonically retarded right? It’s the only explanation. this your goat?
>>203092160Another easy W for the CHADtowers.
Celtigars > Velaryons > Targaryens
>>203092252>accepting the in-universe chornology when George himself says that it vastly exaggerates the antiquity of the great houses>mysteriously walking back on the claim that Westeros was stable in any sense of the word after he realized that the history of pre-Targaryen Westeros consists entirely of anecdotes about which king or warlord overran and killed all his neighbours this generationNot as if I was sitting here expecting any geat intellectual work from your third world ass but you're actually retarded.
George lore: in the beginning time it was lovecraft. but then the age of memory sorrow and thorn came. And after that the age of Conan the barbarian. And finally the age of Middle Ages europe
Mollens > Flints > Forresters
>You are Robert Baratheon>You have just arrived at the Red Keep following the sack of KL by Lannister forces>What do you do to ensure the stability of the realm and your royal lineage
>>203092455Based
>>203090285*honors you again*
>>203092399>accepts the in universe propaganda that Targaryens are the chosen race when it’s been canonically proven you don’t even need Valyrian blood to tame dragons and don’t amount to anything in the end but a cautionary tale on the dangers of protagonist syndrome Go glaze the targs with your non binary dyke friends on tik tok homo
>>203092468I would tell amory lorch and the mountain to go even harder
>>203092468Immediately send troops to Braavos and make sure Mace Tyrell and Randyll Tarly kneel before the throne.
>>203092468Firstly, have the Mountain and Lorch handed over the Martells - the polite fiction and official line is they were indeed rogue agents acting outside of Lord Lannister's orders and him being a just lord is seeing justice is done. Secondly, to appease Tywin, Jaime is released from the Kingsguard on the ground that he was inducted into the order whilst still not a man (only fifteen) and under duress (he could not refuse the Mad King). With the meta-knowledge also get Jaime to reveal the truth about the Wildfire, though to not cause panic only after it has safely been neutralised. Thirdly, when was Janna Tyrell married? If not then marry her over Cersei. Tywin has already made his bed by siding with the Rebels, especially by having killed Elia and her children, and I have given him Jaime back. Marrying Janna brings the Tyrells into the fold.
>Your brother Rhaegar, whatevah happened there...
You now remember this thing.
>>203092706The Tyrells are power whores who'd side with the throne in any case. You don't know that at the time but the Rebellion proved the Lannisters are greater allies than the Tyrells. Tywin was salty over not having Cersei marry Rhaegar and he'd want this chance to have a Lannister on the throne.
See this?? It means NOT WELCOME
Kevan Lannister > Tywin Lannister
>>203092468I marry Cersei to Stannis. I also make Stannis Lord of the Stormlands. This secures the allegiance of the Lannisters and more importantly Tywin.I marry a Hightower or a Tyrell, to secure an alliance with the Reach.I execute Varys.I assassinate Littlefinger.I kill Euron Greyjoy and Balon Greyjoy during the Greyjoy rebellion. Then I make Theon Lord of the Iron Islands, with a noble of my choosing as regent until Theon comes of age. Theon of course will be a ward of the Starks until he comes of age to guarantee his loyalty.I condemn the murders of Elia and her children, so I'll execute the Mountain and force Tywin to step down. Tywin will have to concede because I have the full might of the North, The Crownlands, The Stormlands, The Riverlands, and the Vale behind me.I encourage Jaime Lannister to tell his story, then I pardon him, and allow him to return home so that he can become the heir of Casterly Rock. I make Renly heir to Dragon stone and I send him someone to mentor him and rule as regent until Renly is old enough to rule.For now, I'll let Daenerys and Viserys live because we need her to awaken the Dragons. But After Viserys and Dragon die, I'll offer an olive branch, then bring Daenerys to court. She can marry one of my sons and become queen after I die. Doing this will bind the Baratheon and Targ blood together and secure us 3 dragons for the war with the others.I start an initiative to fortify the Night Watch's walls and give them more me. I "stumble" upon knowledge that dragonglass is a useful weapon versus the others after they're first sighted, then I start the mass production of dragonglass weapons.I dunno what I'll do to fix the economy though. But the state of it should be in much better shape than in canon because Littlefinger isn't alive.
>>203092468>Thank Tywin for his support but inform him I will be handing The Mountain over to Dorne, dress it up as punishment for him overstepping Tywin's orders by murdering and raping Elia so Tywin can save face. Toss in removing Jaime from the Kingsguard as a bonus.>Because I gave him an heir back I tell Tywin I won't marry Cersei but offer Stannis as a match instead>Also Stannis gets the Stormlands and a hug, make him feel as much loyalty to me as possible.>Execute Varys on whatever trumped up charges I can think of.>Littlefinger never gets to go near the Small Council.>Tell Ned I amn't a fucking idiot and I know Jon is Rhaegar's bastard but he can keep him alive so long as he takes the black when he comes of age and never knows his parentage. Encourage Ned to foster one of my kids and foster one of his own so we stay besties.>Outlaw incestuous royal marriages entirely as a concession to the Faith and to delegitimize the claims of any living Targs, real or pretend.>Leave a standing offer to have Viserys and Danny return unharmed to Westeros on the conditions he takes the Black and she consent to a match I decide on (read: she will be marrying my eldest son so loyalist houses shut up) - they won't accept it, but it weakens their later ability to call for a rebellion>Marry either a Hightower, Redwyn, or Florent woman if any are available for a relatively uncontroversial betrothal that still gets me in with someone useful.>Keep trying to get Dorne to normalize relations and have a daughter married to Loras to bring the Reach closer down the line.>Find some way to drum up recruitment for the Watch and invest heavily in preparing for the next Winter.
>>203092706Marrying a Tyrell directly is a bad idea>Spites all houses who sided with you >Rewards a loyalist house directly>Tyrells are rich but have a weaker hold over their bannermen than most major houses do>Reach will still be split over loyalties and the Targ lovers won't love you instead just because your wife is related to MaceIt's not the worst possible option but there's less controversial picks you could make that still carry some reward.
Which of the Free Cities would you choose to live in if you had to make the choice?
>>203093058Who would you recommend marrying then?
>>203092958>She can marry one of my sons and become queen after I die. Doing this will bind the Baratheon and Targ blood together and secure us 3 dragons for the war with the others.I doubt she'd accept it even if Robert had a rep for punishing Elia's murder and never tried have her killed/spied on. Also I'm pretty sure she's implied to be barren after her miscarriage.
>>203093076Braavos
>>203093076Pentos is the only normal city not full of oriental style freaks
>>203093076Pentos or Braavos or maybe even Myr. Big no to the rest of them
>>203093076Qohor and become a smith
>>203093085There's not a lot of "good" options that we know of desu. Cersei on paper is the best but her being a delusional evil fuck sorta ruins that.>Tully girls wed>Arryn has nobody>Starks are a no-go for obvious reasons>Martells and Tyrells were loyalistsI like this anon's >>203092973 suggestion of a Hightower but idk if there were any around.
> Four-legged dragons exist only in heraldry. No animal that has ever lived on Earth has six limbs.Guys... GUYS! This is HUGE! George RR Martin just confirmed that bugs aren't real.
>>203093220technically insects are vegetables
>>203092468I love how 90% of responses to this question always start with>Don't be a fucking idiot and make Dorne angrywhen in-canon having Dorne mad at him never cost Robert a single fucking thing and they don't even really seem interested in revenge against him specifically
>>203093220aw, look at that lil fella. He's happy to be eating leaves.
>>203093058Are there any other available Reach brides of note? You marry a Florent than that just risks pushing the Tyrells, and their Hightower (Mace's wife being one) & Redwyne (Mace's mother being one, Mace's sister married to another) allies, being further against you - and marrying a Hightower or Redwyne does not cleanly necessarily buy their support due to their Tyrell connection. Besides, even if they would get crushed by the Tyrell-Hightower-Redwyne alliance, you can court the Florents without a marriage to you either through Stannis or just appealing to them if the Tyrells were to work against you. Moreover, as alluded to already, the Tyrells are also at their strongest position they have been in a long-time through their Hightower and Redwyne marriages. We can also point to the wealth, by gold and agriculture, that the Tyrells can bring. And as said, the Lannisters have already made their bed in backing the Rebels and you have already given Jaime back.
>>203093197I think there could be an argument in Robert just marrying someone from the Stormlands. In a way that is a 'neutral option'. He is not favouring one external kingdom over the other, or either some strong Royalist house or particularly wronged Rebel house.
The idea of Cersei marrying Stannis is purely hysterical desu. She'd be dead within 5 years after he catches her cheating.
>>203093351Mathis Rowan has a daughter and was old enough at the time of the rebellion to fight for Aery's side. So maybe this daughter could be close to be of marriage age in 283 give or take 2 years
>>203093467That's fine. Tywin won't be able to do shit if Stannis catches her cheating and puts her on trial (which he'll do because he's an autistic lawsuit) before beheading her.Tywin will just have to quietly seethe like the Dornish did after Ellia's murder
>>203093470>old enough at the time of the rebellion to fight for Aery's side.Which does not really mean much when you have the likes of Robert, Stannis and Ned being old enough to fight despite their youth. Or old men like Jon Arryn. Or we look at Mace that could be a similar age to Mathis. Looking at the wiki Willas is born in either 273-276 AC. If we say Mathis is a similar age to Mace then reasonably his oldest daughter will be a similar age to Willas. If we take it to be 273 AC that means she will only be 10ish by 283 AC, if we wait to 285 AC she is only 12/3. Marriages to infants are a thing in the setting but, they are rare and a taboo. Marriages to a girl that has 'flowered' or shortly after do happen but, that means Robert could be looking at a marriage in 285-287 AC. Marriages when the girl has become a woman through maturity take place at 16, which further pushes the year back. Robert cannot really wait to marry or marry a bride that is not old enough to actually be able to, and safely, give him heirs.
>>203093197Lynesse Hightower maybe
>If you have need of a dagger, take one from the armory. Robert left a hundred when he died. Gerion gave him a gilded dagger with an ivory grip and a sapphire pommel for a wedding gift, and half the envoys who came to court tried to curry favor by presenting His Grace with jewel-encrusted knives and silver inlay swords.” >Tyrion smiled. “They’d have pleased him more if they’d presented him with their daughters.” >“No doubt. The only blade he ever used was the hunting knife he had from Jon Arryn, when he was a boylyanna didn't deserve Bobby B
>>203093076Braavos, except for all the goddamn swashbucklers with fragile egos.
>>203091268other than the blackwashed characters, the show did a good job with book-accurate looksoh and rhaenys' hair too
>>203093813It seems with that option you may as well just marry Mace's sister: the Hightowers are bound to Mace through his wife being a Hightower and likewise the Redwynes are bound to Mace through marriages. Even thought he circumstances are different and it probably would only be a minor problem in actuality, alternate Robert and his advisors may be concerned about disparaging comparisons being made about Queen Alicent Hightower and the Dance of the Dragons; if there is such a concern about stability and appearance of the dynasty change then that may be something that is a black mark against her as a candidate. The other thing to mention is what we know about Lynesse. We can question the account of Jorah and his circumstance as Lord of Bear Island are different to what we as Robert would have but, that is the only meta-knowledge we have about her and it does not particularly fill one with confidence.
>>203093076the one with purple eyed cutiesi think it's Lys
>a siege is deadly dull, I wanted to see this stump of yours, and hear whatever excuses you might offer for you latest enormities. They were feebler than I'd hoped. You always disappoint, Kingslayerhow do you respond without sounding mad?
>>203088328it was Bobby B.it's a mercy. We kill our horses when they break a leg, and our dogs when they go blind, but we are too weak to give the same mercy to crippled children.
>>203092780>Tywin was salty over not having Cersei marry Rhaegar and he'd want this chance to have a Lannister on the throne.Tywin is not in a position to do anything if he does not get it. He has burned the bridges with the Royalists through murdering Elia, Rhaenys and Aegon. Him declaring for Viserys, who is isolated on Dragonstone without an army, is not viable. Him declaring independence is something that is not viable. You have the STAB forces already in the field, the Greyjoys on his doorstep that he is aware could attack his lands, the forces from the Reach being brought into STAB through marriage, and potentially even some Dornish forces being sent for revenge. If you are Robert and are that concerned about still appeasing Tywin then you tell him get Jaime, who has been released from the Kingsguard, married and Jaime's daughter can marry the future Baratheon Crown Prince.
>>203088987sweet Cersei taught me that they can be used interchangeably.>Robert was killed by a boar. Do they say I am a skinchanger now? A warg? Am I accused of killing Joffrey too, my own sweet son, my firstborn?
>>203091268Rhaenyra should have been chubbier on the show and Daemon more attractive and good looking. I won't even mention the black actors or Rhaenys' appearance, only Rhaenyra's sons are book accurate on the show.
>>203094371I dunno why people think Tywin had some unassailable positions and could get whatever he wanted after the rebellion.>But Gregor never got punished!Because Robert was glad the kids died, didn't give a fuck about Elia, and at least resented the Martells for actively opposing him.>But he married Cersei!Because he wanted the Lannister's wealth and there were no better options from a great house anyway.If Robert wanted to choose someone else he could have.
>The world, the country, and yes, certainly me. This has not been a good year for anyone, with war everywhere and fascism on the riseI know making art isn't the same as being politically adept, but I truly don't get how GRRM can write about what he dies, the lies and manipulation, but then fall for this "democracy is on the line" absolute trite nonsenseImagine thinking Fascism is the biggest threat to the USA in 2024. Wake the fuck up you fat fucking retard. Jesus Christ.
Guys I just got another companion slot, who should I recruit? My current party is>Melisandre (Wife)>Kinvara the Red Priestess>Wun Wun>Rago the Bloodrider>Shagga son of Dolf>Sandor Clegane>Quort of ThennThere are tons of options remaining but none of them feel as fitting for my merry band of Fire worshipping Thenns.
>>203094452Most of the fanbase imagines Tywin as this unstoppable, Machiavellian god whom can kill anyone with impunity, because of the Rains of Castamere, the rape and murder of Ellia, and the Red Wedding.Tywin ISN'T that powerful (which is why his dynasty and legacy crumbles almost instantly after he dies), but his illusion of power is so great, that it even fools the readers who aren't a part of the setting.
>>203094499To that hippie has-been, anything short of Marxism is fascism.
>>203094424>only Rhaenyra's sons are book accurate on the show.That's true but they fucked up with their ages a little bit. Joffrey should have been older on the show and it's ridiculous that Aegon III and Viserys II are still toddlers, they should have been older. They only got Jace and Luke right based on their book ages.
>>203090144he's trying to make a new>but how does this affect you personally?
>>203094558LUKE!
>>203094499What is he waffling about ?
>>203094593It was not my intention for you to appear, Lukepedo. Go back.
>>203094546Wow, power sure does corrupt, doesn't it? Especially in the hands of illegitimate rulersAnyway, let's give more power to the government
>>203091268You shouldn't post this because now I can't stop thinking how perfect the cast would be if the Velaryons were white and Rhaenys had black hair.
>>203094643Am I not loved here anymore, /got/hotd/dunk?
>>203094749It's shame such great casting was wasted on a mediocre show that refuses to follow or respect the source material
>>203094759You were never loved. Maybe Branfags and other pedos who post here like you, but normal people don't.
>>203085917Sounds pretty based. House Stark is a reddit tier house and the Boltons are chads
>>203094543yeah the fact that all of his legacy was essentially nothing, should be proof enough of the castle of sand that was Lannister's under his rule. Even then, hadn't the "gold mines" been dry for decades already? Even worse...
>>203085738Little rats cut out Belwas and Victarion to show their little kike torture porn scenes instead of letting it be a mystery when Reek appears later in the story.
>>203094759yes you are, by the silent majority
>>203094759No
>>203094893Jace swings like he's a lumberjack.
>>203094452There is an aspect with Tywin that he has a reputation in the series and that has been mythologised by much of the fanbase. Yet, when you get down to it a lot about Tywin is stuff we are told without it being backed up. Something like:>Tywin is a proven battle commanderWhat great battles has Tywin won? He is not a noted commander in the War of the Ninepenny Kings. He crushed the Reynes sure but, he way outnumbered them and his fame/infamy comes from the very specific conditions that allowed him to drown them. His only action in Robert's Rebellion is sacking King's Landing after it had opened its gates. During the Grejoy Rebellion the Lannister fleet got burned under his ultimate watch, and he is note a notable commander in the suppression of the Greyjoy Rebellion. During the War of the Five Kings his own major battle was the Green Fork, a tactical (though hardly impressively) victory yet a strategic defeat.>Tywin was a great Hand of the KingWe are simply told he was. What was Tywin's tax policy?
>>203090052>HBO shits itself and cuts the eps from 10 to 8 very late in the day to an extent that they can't do anything about the ending for Season 2 making no senseis this really true?i remember grifters going about how the writers' strike not affecting hotd because it's already finished and now they claim they couldn't make changes because of the strike. quick dates searching:>march 28, 2023 they announce 8 episodes>april 11, 2023 filming starts>may 5, 2023 strike starts>september 27, 2023 strike ends>september 29, 2023 filming ends>june 16, 2024 first episode of season 2 dropsthey had a month to write an ending.the season was very bad not because of the cliffhanger btw.
>>203090228more wine, your grace?
>>203094927Maybe he's getting the lumberjack secret ending like Dexter Morgan did.
>>203094864>No Strong Belwas>No Victarion>No Shavepate (Or brzaen beasts!!)>No Tattered Prince (Joins in a Winds chapter)>No Brown Ben PlummThey fucking gave up on Danys eastern story lines and seemd to be allergic to the 'big tough strong warrior guy' archetype shes surrounded herself with
>>203094893That scene couldn't be filmed now, Eliot's a monster compared to Harry today.
>>203094452>could get whatever he wanted You can also challenge the idea of Tywin being this superpower by pointing out that it was 1) Jon Arryn, then Ned, not Tywin that was Hand of the King; and 2) he could not get Jaime released from the Kingsguard.
>>203095055Well "today" Luke is dead so of course this scene couldn't be made.
>>203094964HBO deciding to cut 2 episodes of a 10 episode season days before the writers strike started is what fucked the season, they couldnt rewrite despite losing 1/5 of screentime.This shows sucess will also determine the success of other shows like Dung and Egg and Aegon the Conqueror + other shows but they fuck it. Retards.Its a cliffhanger because they had their last episodes cut out from under them last minute
>>203095201>Dung and EggThat's the worst bed & breakfast tavern name ever.
>>203094893This never happened in the book, they did this on purpose because Luke was going to die and this had to be one of their last moments together. Cruel.
>>203095201>days before the writers strike startedanon, they announced 8 episodes on march 28 and the strike started on may 5.they had over a month to rewrite.but the season is shit regardless of the cliffhanger.
>>203095089You get off on being a cunt, don't you?
>>203095055>men can still grow taller at the age of 21 >Harry is 20There's still time. Harry, I believe in you!
>>203095510
>>203093467Stannis will not whisper Lyanna in her ear on their wedding night.she'll love him once she experiences his fidelity and judiciousness.Stannis will become a happy man due to his sexo wife and the realm will enjoy a peaceful reign.
>>203095510Luke is dead, it's the truth. His brothers will meet him soon, don't worry.
>>203095564Anon, Cersei literally slept with Jaime on Robert's wedding night. She was ALWAYS going to cuckold her husband for Jaime because she's an insane narcissist
Make a new thread peasants!
>>203095030I completely forgot about some of those. Criminal.
>>203095645Sorry but this won't happen. We'll end it here, the decision is final. No more threads.
I've got a new companion slot, who should I go recruit?
>>203095564Stannis is too autistic. The only people I could see Cersei being somewhat happy with is Oberyn and Ned
NEW THREAD >>203095830
>>203095642>Cersei literally slept with Jaime on Robert's wedding nightshe fucked jaime in the morning of her wedding.BEFORE she married.if Bobby B wasn't an ass, she would have been a loyal wife.>>203095812Stannis is autistic and Ned isn't?
