Thread for the discussion of arthouse and classic cinemaHorsey edition>/film/ chartshttps://mega.nz/folder/87xyiJjZ#3B2eXe2lmN2KbFNNEagggQ>/film/ literaturehttps://mega.nz/folder/XCokCRpR#tlesB0J_7jhaEWZVJqVzlAPrevious: >>204338031
Queen of /film/
>>204353028
The Gang’s All Here (1943)
>>204353028Based and firstpostpilled fellow Bauchad
>>204353090Beautiful
>>204353090does anyone even connellypost here
>>204353090The coalburner doesn't belong
>>204353004
>>204353004YJK
>>204353090>Lee not dead centerpretty good otherwise
>>204353090It reflects the general, yes, but it uglifies everything to have that "odd-looking" Lee guy there
you can actually order these vhs tapes from mandarake
>>204353155Dis moddafucker be ploughing dem phat ass jap girls in they Sato joints
>>204353155FUCK OFF
>>204353155The fish of /film/
>>204353163Quite a shame indeed, but it is a fine picture.
>>204353101>>204353075:)>>204353090Wonderful!
>>204353155AAAAAAAAHHHHHH noT AgAIn
>>204353191Lee is fucking beautiful, and I’m not even gay. Just look at this nigga.
>>204353219What the FUCK?
>>204353137there was a JCon faggot in these threads once, maybe he's still here>>204353219fucking lost it
>>204353240If you were gay, you'd be a faggot with horrible taste, then
>>204353191A /film/ waifu chart without Lee would be a complete joke. Leefag has been one of the most resilient /film/ regulars for years.
>>204353191>odd-lookingYou mean majestic looking.
>>204353191No respect.>>204353277I appreciate the recognition of my effort.
>>204353240Just one smile from this nigga restores all the hope I have lost throughout my life (and I’m not even gay).
>>204353075Comrade Xi smiles upon seeing all that Bau glory.
>>204353315
>>204353315>best smile
>>204353374>>204353386God is good!
>>204353090>Child Brooke ShieldsYou should be in prison.
>>204353386Damn right.
That someone waifus a man is already strange enough, but an ugly old chink of all people? I could understand Delon, Cooper, Mastroianni, but this one is madness. It'd be like some guy waifuing Whoopi Goldberg or Maggie Gyllenhaal.
>>204353090you snubbed Melody my newfag friend.
>>204353090A Based Supreme (1965)>>204353277Fact.*Trump voice* >We all love our Leeposter, isn't that right folks?
>>204353495Everyone hates coalburners
>>204353386For me, it's him pretending that he drank the watermelon juice in The Wayward Cloud
>>204353518You're not everyone, just yourself.
Cumtribute era will soon follow, mark my words
>>204353518Everyone hates /mid/ volleyball Becky pajeet bait sundress tradwife parodies
>>204353473There's something oddly fascinating about Lee's face. I'm sure there's a Tsai quote out there that describes his je ne sais quoi better than I ever could.
>>204353141>>204353090>>204353495
>>204353141Quincy Jones' genes must be weak as hell
>>204353473>That someone waifus a man is already strange enoughEver heard of gays?>Delon, Cooper, MastroianniLee mogs, but I do like Delon a lot.>>204353529That scene makes me laugh every time.
>>204353587See>>204353585
>>204353587They are extremely weak, just look at Rashida Jones, she's basically a tanned Peggy Lipton.
>>204353587He's a faux nigga. Cracker in nigga skin.
>>204353709still nigga
>>204353587Would
>>204353587Looks hispanic. Also would.
/tv/ is talking shit about Cassavetes again, bros...
>>204353587Good lord there's barely anything to bleach out
>Lee’s face and his general appearance was an important factor in my selecting him. It evoked a particular sensation that touched me deeply, while the professional actors that I auditioned did not touch me as much. Ordinary faces, and ordinary people, tend to leave a stronger impression on me. When I chose Lee to be my actor, there was a lot of criticism. People complained that he did not have the face of a star. He wasn’t big or muscular. Yet, what deeply touched me was precisely this sense of ordinary-ness in his appearance. He was natural. Lee’s appearance in my films actually changed the whole path of my development as a filmmaker away from standard, industrial-style films and in another direction.>It’s not about a face being pretty; it is about how you frame it. The reason that I always cast Lee is his face. His face inspires me to look at film in a different way. Thinking about it, over my twenty-year career in feature films, it was never about the story, it was about filming Lee.https://www.cineaste.com/fall2019/painterly-poetics-tsai-ming-liang-and-lee-kang-sheng
>>204353679It's so fucked up. At least Kidada tried to fix it but the government killed Tupac before she could get pregnant.
>>204352978Nocturnal Animals was amazing, I'll watch A Single Man in the meantime.>>204352531>>204352383>>204352379>>204352326>>204352277Thanx for the recs brehs. Still looking for fashion films, if anyone knows of anything let me know.>>204353003Both are the same, it's genetics diff in the end
>>204353904Would WouldWould Would
>>204353904Dios mios la creatura
>>204353849That's one of the creepiest pics of Tsai.
>>204353090Gadonfag must be seething rn.
>>204353734
Can finally post the webms I made while I was banned.
>>204353489Off-topic waifu.
>>204353961
>>204353992Banned for?
>>204354045Posting Sarah Gadon
>>204353904>>204353942Would WouldWouldn't Would
>>204353904Hey I love that pic!>uses the least flattering Kenya pic he can find>she's still hotNice try, Quincy don't misshttps://youtu.be/y-ndMMYhmi0?si=jyoiYNpk9ZZbtjJ4
My wife.>>204354045I called someone a faggot.
>>204354067Cuck
>>204354067Based
>>204354007Melody is a part of /film/ history
>>204354117Never been in /film/
>>204354086>I called someone a faggotDeserved ban. /film/ is a LGBTQIAP general.
>>204354117No she is too lust-provoking, but not in a /film/ic sense. I want big sex with her pussy so don't post her here because it make me want big sex.
Just can't cope with the fact that I got a job without searching for it. Destiny wants to take kino away from me... it's not fair bros...
>>204354162>/film/ is a LGBTQIAP general.It was in a /trek/ thread.
>>204354190General dwellers really are a separate species
>>204354179Do everything you can in order not to get a job or be homeless.
>>204354179Carpe diem anon
>>204354234>>204354179Suck a dick if you have to bro. I know I have.
>>204354253Tsai? Are we in the presence?
>>204354179>>204354253Shake your nuts if you have to bro. Real shit.
https://youtu.be/EdAigXMS7kIJoe speaks English. Why can't Tsai bother to learn it?
Best Hou Hsiao-hsien film? I watched Millennium Mambo and was disappointed. The opening was amazing though.
>>204353219I’m crying
>>204354414filtered, and don't bother anymore.
>>204354414A City of Sadness (1989) but it will probably filter you if you don't know Taiwanese history from mid to late 40s.
>>204354348He didn't have the privilege of growing up watching BLACKED.
>>204354348Tsai isn't an orientalist grifter pandering to westerners, for one.
>>204354505I don’t. >>204354478I’m ready to accept this as a possibility. I tried my best to like it, but felt nothing.
>>204353090very comfy picture
>>204354505A Borrowed Life > City of Sadnessbut the anon shant bother, he is filtered by Mambo.
>>204354348Joe had wealthy doctor parents who placed him in a good school and raised him on American interracial porn.
>>204354547Joe is constantly taking the piss out of his country.
>>204354593This is true. Considering others love Mambo and I thought it was ehhh. Maybe he is not for me. I thought it was borning an unemotional.
>>204354414>>204354505Seconding City of Sadness. And firsting Goodbye South, Goodbye.
>>204354640Mambo is his most entertaining.
>>204354640>unemotionalWAT
>>204354659>>204354663Yup. It’s sad too because he is the only Taiwanese director I’ve watched that I don’t love.
>>204353004horse kino
>>204354685Sato's films feel cursed to me, probably because all the ones i watched were from vhs or laserdisc rips 15 years ago.
>>204354685is it even legal to watch this movie
Is anybody here on the really private private trackers? There's two movies I already have but I'm curious if they're available in better quality anywhere
>>204353219>The fish of /film/I like the way you think.Here's an AI ART variant on your creation.
>>204354942soulless
>>204354942That wasn't my creation, some other anon posted it in the /film/ thread that featured that bizarre horse and it impressed me enough to save it for a rainy day. Nonetheless, I applaud your work.
>>204354867>really private private trackersWhich ones you mean by that?
Does anyone know anything about Nigerian film? I really want to get into more African cinema after watching many Senegalese films.
>>204353219>The fish of /film/And here's a cutout version you can share with friends or reuse for whatever if you're not using the HYPIC app.
>>204354980like KG and shit. I don't really know the names . But like, above Cinemaz.
>>204354234>>204354246>>204354253>>204354346Literally carpe diem. This is like death: when I knew that I will work (because work searched for me) I immediately started reading Paradise Lost and stopped procrastinating. Maybe this work business isn't that bad, huh...
>>204353090Add >>204353155.
>>204355020I’m happy for you. This is how I felt until I worked myself to the point of exhaustion.
Carpe Diem themed films? Ikiru is my suggestion.
>>204354815Yes you pussy.
>>204355010Yeah, I'm on KG. And yes, it's really a great site in content, look and seeding, despite the the people in power being woketards.
>>204355155>despite the the people in power being woketards.Not even gonna ask. I just wanted to know if there was anything better than the DVDRips for Honeymoon Hotel (1964) and Don't Make Waves (1967). Wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't but it doesn't hurt to ask. Could you check for me?
>>204354640>>204354659YOU SAY MAMBO - I SAY MOGAMBO (1953)
>>204355338I'll make Red Dust webms right now just to shit on you
>>204355155100$ for invite?
>>204355338The OG Mambo.
>>204355338white girl on the left is pretty cute. she's got a bit of a Sarah Gadon look.
>>204355132Taking this somewhat loosely for max recsThe Phantom CarriageLetter from an Unknown WomanKids ReturnCemetery of SplendourHappy HourDrive My Car
>>204355465You don't know who GRACE KELLY is?
>>204355475I think I have ever only seen her in Rear Window
>>204355338You say Mogambo, I say Mandingo.
>>204354190>It was in a /trek/ thread.That would be Mike Stoklasa (RedletterMedia) doing that. I've suggested strongly repeatedly that the Mods insert a PERSONAL POST FILTER (they enact self-censorship, only hide user posts for themselves, and their psychological drama doesn't deny other opinions or post viewings) option to get drama queens like Mike to stop pretending he owns this forum (Reddit-tarded behavior). It knocks out Mod Drama, makes the forum less angry and angsty, and simplifies life for everyone rather easily. Plus the drama queen can unhide all the hidden posts later if they decide to be less of an isolationist. The current system has the exploit where JUST ONE whiny cunt can deny free speech and post viewing of another person's efforts so long as they have a PET MOD or LAZY MOD backing them up. Then 4Chan becomes REDDITCHAN. To identify Mike Stoklasa behaviors, PRIMARILY in Star Trek Threads... look for posts that exhibit these 4CHAN trope phrases:MedsSchizoCopeFaggotChudESLSamefagThe poster using these phrases plus has a bunch of censored posts "Anonymous plus crossed out post number". This is the proper response.Flag this guy with FLOODING tag.Believe it or not, 4CHAN isn't a subsidiary of RedletterMedia and Mike Stoklasa is not the owner of these forums. His personal tastes are not everyone's personal tastes. I dislike censoring anyone for having legitimate opinions, but the dipshit is causing unnecessary stress and making 4CHAN into his own personal REDDITCHAN. Other people have the right to enjoy viewing other people's posts.Reducing a Whiny Cunt's BAN FEVER is the only way to lower his behavioral issues, sadly. If a "Report Post" basically acted as a personal filter list (hiding other users posts SOLELY for that user), these forums would be less tedious. Plus it would lower moderation human review.
>>204355475He's Asian, so to him all white broads look the same.
>>204355465AND she got dicked down by a North African fella just like Bau. Perfect /film/ waifu
>>204355475Not only is he annoying and an asshole, he's a turbopleb to boot. SAD!
>>204355267Yep, there's a DVDRip for Honeymoon Hotel. And just as well a DVDRip for Don't Make Waves. In both cases, no subtitles in the torrents or the files.
>>204355509That's right, Jay!
>>204355515In my defense the two look alike in that photo.>>204355519whoa really? source? that sux.
>>204355515Most white women look the same to me too, but I can still recognize Grace Kelly. I wish these threads has a stronger classic bias.
>>204355507This had so much potential. Why did I find it so boring?
>>204355532Thank you. I'm assuming they're probably the same ones I have then. Is the Don't Make Waves file around 985 MB, and Honeymoon Hotel 1.36 GB? I thought there may be TVRips or something out there.
>>204355618Because the only acceptable racemixing partner for a white woman should be amwf. Coalburning is degenerate and women only do it to feel like trash during their ho phase.
>>204355567She was married to a literal prince
>>204355686>the only acceptable racemixing partner for a white woman should be amwfIt's called ricemaxxing.
>>204355686Oh so the actually weren't joking about you, you're really like this.
>>204355686>during their ho phase.I hope most women skip that phase
>>204355756:^)
>>204355707That doesn’t make her acting any better. You could’ve stuck any good looking blonde actress in her place, and nothing would’ve changed. I’m not saying the films that she was in aren’t great, because they mostly are, but the reason they are, is anything but Grace Kelly.
>>204355771>I’m not saying the films that she was in aren’t great, because they mostly areRear Window is shit
>>204355636Certainly what you have is the same for Honeymoon Hotel, a 1.36GB mkv file. The DVDRip for Don't Make Waves is an 1.35GB .avi, but the quality must be about the same of the 985MB file. It's an avi from 2011, after all.Sadly, no different versions, much less HD for any of the two.
>>204355091I just finished Paradise Lost (was just the artbook, I didn't even realize it was the full poem) and was thinking all of the time of the sudden change in energy I've had within the last 2 hours. We'll see how work changes me.>>204355132Underrated pics: Paris and Bridge to Terabithia
>>204354994Nigerian cinema is legitimately horrible compared to Senegal. Nollywood is a complete joke for the most part, even decades back, so at least it's good for laughs.There aren't many Nigerian art films, and what little there is tends to be fairly recent. Maybe check out Mami Wata and The Lost Okoroshi.
>>204355771I’m going to go as far to say that if Grace Kelly was replaced by Vera Miles in every role she had, the films would’ve been infinitely better. Vera Miles is a beautiful blonde woman who can act.
>>204355533>That's right, Jay!You'll note that since I've been repeatedly forced to give "tit for tat" per Mike Stoklasa's behavior and giving him "3 Day Cooldowns" (which I strongly hate to enact) his output in RedletterMedia has gone from one monthly video to 3 or for videos per month. I think it's a mix of "old woman crankiness", terminally onlineness, and a distinct lack of social life outside of a too small friend group.In short, he's lonely, sexually frustrated, feeling the need for illusionary power, feeling he's contributing nothing to history, has lost his sex appeal, and isn't getting the respect he deserves. If he were in charge of a Home Owners Association, he'd be handing out noncompliance fines and measuring lawn height with a ruler by the hour. Or in short, "My problems suck! I'll be happy when I turn MY PROBLEMS into EVERYONE ELSES PROBLEMS".Mike Stoklasa should invite Steven Kostanski and Matthew Ninaber to interview and have lunch with since they have achieved aspects of what Mike desires to have accomplished and did it all on a decent budget. Plus Matthew Ninaber is a pretty good looking fellow and like Jay, masculine eye candy is never a negative for RedletterMedia episodes.
>>204355771I don't care for women acting to be honest, their job on screen is to be eye candy. Like irl they hire attractive women who can't do jackshit to sit at reception desks and all that stuff. I don't know, the only actresses whose acting I genuinely like are Maureen O Hara and Anna Magnani, no one else comes to mind right now
>>204355831Sarah Gadon is the greatest actress
>>204355707ohhh lol I thot you ment a nigurt
>>204355831Huppert is a genuinely good actress. No, I'm not asian.
>>204355798>but the quality must be about the same of the 985MB fileThat tracks. I couldn't remember but I must've converted it to mkv. Thanks for checking for me. It's unfortunate, both have really poor transfers.
>>204355831Then why did Anna Magnani ruin an otherwise spotless film, Momma Roma? Even Pasolini said this.
>>204355719based>>204355756sadly even trad church girls go through it
>>204355822Based as hell.
>>204355771Unfair, she clearly evolved as her career progressed. And even though she didn't deserve it over Garland, her best acting is in The Country Girl, she's pretty good there. The films themselves in her small filmography really are fantastic. In the Hitchcock trilogy you'll find her at her sexiest with To Catch A Thief and her most beautiful in Rear Window.
>>204355831>>204355879Huppert is fucking based and GOATED. And yes I am asian.
>>204355822Very based.
>>204355898She ruined Renoir's The Golden Coach as well. Some of the worst acting I've ever seen.
>>204355929
>>204355831>I don't care for women acting to be honest, their job on screen is to be eye candy.For the most part I don't like watching films focused on male characters but at the same time I don't value acting that much so I kind of agree
>>204356015>For the most part I don't like watching films focused on male charactersOpposite for me. I find it hard to relate to female characters.
>written by Pasolini>starring Mastronianni and Claudia CardinaleKinda surprised I've never heard of this before. Anyone here seen it?
Oh I forgot, Kathaine Hepburn was really charming in Summertime>>204355960Oh no, I loved her in The Golden Coach>>204355875Nigga it's North Africa, not Sub Saharan Africa. Pic related is their son
>>204356040I can only relate to female characters. Like Isabelle Adjani in Possession.
>>204356115>Pic related is their sonOops another pic, forgot about Summertime
>>204355822Truth nuke.
>>204356093Vincent Gallo loves it. I haven't seen it yet.
>>204355822Imagine if Sarah Gadon was alive back then to replace her...
>>204356175A /mid/-off for the ages!
>>204356132Agent Coulson
>>204356115sorry I do not know much of the land of clicks and ticks.
Watching Paul WS Anderson. Feeling intellectual.
i think i got a bit filtered by uncle boonmee
>>204356311no you didn't, it's babbys first asian spiritual arthouse.
>>204356311>uncle boonmeeclassic pseud filter
>>204356323I'm getting real sick of /film/'s Joemophobia.
>>204356311Uncle boonme is the shiny miniature buddha statue you buy at the Bangkok airport's giftshop. You didn't get filtered.
>>204356311Just selling Buddhist mysticism to white boomers. Reminder that Tim Burton gave it the Palme d'Or.
>>204356390Damn Isabella Rossellini is so beautiful
>*makes shittiest trailer of all time for your flick*https://youtube.com/watch?v=j9HXcsE0gI8That will be 200 francs plus tip, monsieur Bresson.
>>204356382>Bangkok airport's giftshopmore like GRIFTshop amirite.
>is the greatest and most majestic trailer of all timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apfFdvyPv4Q
>>204356451Isabella Rossellini unfortunately was looking more like 50 year old Ingrid Bergman even when she was very young
>>204356382>>204356387does joe have any actual kinos or is he a hack?
>>204356452I don't know why but that trailer made me laugh out loud, I love the film
>>204356420
>>204356571Syndromes and a Century is a solid 4/5
>>204356530>*blocks your path*https://youtube.com/watch?v=8vmZTjxFp8w
>>204356530someone needs to do a trailer like this for Days and Walker
>>204356530>shot of Lee riding a moped>"THEY CAN FLOW FREELY"KINOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>204356530the funniest part is they included the incest sex scene with the dad
>>204356651on it
>>204356571Tropical Malady.
>>204356530holy kek
>>204356707Another giftshop grift.
>>204354414Seconding Goodbye South Goodbye and imo Millennium Mambo is overrated
Bengali grifter.
Tarantinian dialogue led to modern Marvel quipfests never 4get
>>204355036This and Lee
>>204357305Oh fuck he’s already in there lmao
>>204357215Tarantino invented realistic dialogue in film.
>>204357215I was thinking this as well recently kek
>>204357215>>204357461His influence has been terrible for cinema.
>>204353264>>204353137Not him, but I can step up.
>>204357215Was Whedon trying to be Tarantino? What about Sorkin?>>204357461>>204357564I have a mental list of people and things that have set film back as an art form but it's fairly limited, I'd love to see yours.
Just fapped.
>>204358066movie
>>204357685
>>204357756Don't really have one, but please do tell yours.
>>204358154Gerontophilia (2013)
>>204357756I don't have one either like the other guy, I just kind of go on a case by case basis on the spot The Tarantino thing I just happened to be thinking about recently because I watched some video about him where his dialogue was getting jerked off
>>204358185>>204358227Like I said it's limited but>Sound>The Hays Code>Auteur Theory >Television>The Dissolution of the Hays Code >Steven Spielberg>George Lucas>The Weinsteins>Video cameras>Quentin Tarantino There's some stuff I'm missing I'm sure. And some of these weren't wholly negative.
>>204358391I suppose I agree with most of them, sound of course is an especially cheeky one that I agree with in theory but I want it in practice Whats wrong with auteur theory And when you say video cameras, do you mean specifically video cameras or digital in generalI would probably add CGI to the list
>>204358391Very interesting, i was expecting the list to be people and not events. >The Hays CodeI often wondered how things would have progressed in american film without this ever happening, especially how the wartime films would've been, and if noir would've even been a thing and how different it would be. >Steven Spielberg>George Lucas>The Weinsteins>Video cameras>Quentin TarantinoStrongly agree with all of these.>TelevisionI do like the longevity it did give to films and how it educated a lot of people on films of the past for a long time. >Auteur theoryCould replace this would the FNW. Or maybe add to it. But i'm split on this one.
>>204358391>>The Dissolution of the Hays CodeElaborate.
>>204356452What’s wrong with the trailer?
>>204358508>I agree with in theory but I want it in practiceWhich is why I added "not wholly negative". There's nothing wrong with movies having sound in theory, it's more that these are things which had a negative influence. The Weinsteins and the Hays Code are probably the only ones that you can say are truly irredeemable, depending on how you feel about Spielberg, Lucas, and Tarantino, at least. It's also why I left out the studio system and New Hollywood. I think both eras had their positives and negatives. And you see that my list is very America-centric, I haven't explored world cinema enough.>And when you say video cameras, do you mean specifically video cameras or digital in general>I would probably add CGI to the listI meant like camcorders, accessibility. But digital in general also applies. I always forget about CGI.>Whats wrong with auteur theory Unrepentant glazing. Used as shield against criticism, especially when you consider who gets to be considered an auteur and who doesn't. It's also just dumb celebrity worship bullshit.>>204358618>I often wondered how things would have progressed in american film without this ever happeningThe scene in Blonde Venus where Marlene Dietrich is swimming in the pond is incredible. I think it's possible America as a whole would be less weird about sexuality now if it weren't for the Hays Code. When you watch Pre-Code films I feel like you get a much fuller idea of how things actually were back then. I also think a lot of the New Hollywood directors unconsciously absorbed the conservative Catholic values of 40s and 50s Hays-affected films and it shows in their work. The noir question is interesting.
How responsible is Christopher Doyle for the greatness that is WKW? Vice versa? One can obviously see that together they are unmatched, but who had a stronger career without the other. My vote is for Christopher Doyle. WKW without Christopher Doyle is a mess, but Christopher Doyle without WKW is an outstanding filmography.
>>204358906>the greatness that is WKWlmao
>>204358906I know this came off as if I were disrespecting WKW and his abilities as filmmaker. I did not mean that. All I’m saying is isn’t Christopher Doyle’s camera that gives Wong’s world its resonance?
>>204358906>>the greatness that is WKWlmfao.
>>204358890>I also think a lot of the New Hollywood directors unconsciously absorbed the conservative Catholic values of 40s and 50s Hays-affected films and it shows in their work.I do agree with this but also a lot of the new hollywood guys were italian-americans so the catholic thing is a given.
>>204358890Also, very based for posting Claudette.
>>204358683Okay, so this is pretty much theorizing, it's just something that seems to make sense to me but I can't actually back it up. But I feel like the Hays Code falling sort of had the same effect of when prohibition fell and people were drinking as much as they possibly can. You know what I mean? They weren't allowed to show titties and violence and rape in films but then suddenly you can and there's this extreme rebuttal (Excuse me for using weird words, I'm tired). So you get films that are just tits, just violence, just rape. Like, it had already weakened significantly by this point and there were already exploitation films but the Hays Code officially fell in 1968, and then you have the 70s, the decade of exploitation films and the golden age of porn. If the Hays Code never existed in the first place, would there be a Russ Meyers? A Herschell Gordon Lewis? Roger Corman? Or did their careers exist entirely in relation to, within the context of, the code's existence? And I'm not exactly positing that we would've been better off without those careers, but there are a lot of exploitation films that are VERY bad. And those films were influential. Those films influenced Tarantino. And I feel like the dissolution of the Hays Code most likely helped create this divide where on one side we have Scorsese and Spielberg and on the other side we have like, Frank Henenlotter and, well, Russ Meyers. Jim Wynorksi, Fred Olen Ray, whoever. You have these mainstream directors who were unintentionally influenced by the films of the Hays Code and unintentionally they normalize that mindset/taste. They may do similar things as the exploitation directors, may have similar plots or whatever, but they do it "respectfully" and can be taken seriously by critics and audiences while exploitation films and filmmakers are dismissed as underground freak pervert shit. The Morlocks of the film industry.
>>204354685Neigh Means Yes/Wave is the better Sato horsekino, although the current rip looks like shit
>>204358906Doyle carried WKW the same way that Rerberg carried Tarkovsky
>>204358968>>204359023I’ll bite. What is wrong with this statement? The man clearly had his mark on film history even if it was minuscule in comparison with others. Anyone who denies this is denying reality.
>>204359204Please elaborate for someone who feels absolutely nothing when watching a Tarkovsky film.
>>204358683>>204359115I guess maybe what I'm trying to say is that I think the dissolution of the Hays Code helped create this hierarchy that's divided film and audiences (in America at least) ever since. Cheap and tawdry vs highbrow and even middlebrow. And I feel like the best stuff is in between, and that there are some exploitation films that could or should be taken seriously and that a lot of the formal safe guys are absolute shit. Of course sometimes exploitation lowly type shit rises through the ranks through time, but how high? Night of the Living Dead is a "classic" at this point but what respectable director is making a zombie film, or citing Romero as an actual influence? Tarantino will feel his shit films to the brim with references but the majority of his fans aren't going to then go back and watch any 70s films, especially exploitation, he's considered above the trash even though he's voraciously influenced by it. I don't know. Maybe I'm speaking nonsense. >>204359043>>204359062>a lot of the new hollywood guys were italian-americans so the catholic thing is a given.Good point didn't even think about it.>Also, very based for posting Claudette.I made a few webms from that scene but I don't have the rest on me right now.
>>204359115>and then you have the 70s, the decade of exploitation films and the golden age of porn.I think this has way more to do with the politics and morale of the country at the time, during/post-Vietnam, the end of hippies, Watergate etc. Much more a case of art reflecting life. Your thinking here is too self-contained in the movie business. Plus even though the code officialy fell in 1968, by the late 50s it was already very much weak and in many cases completely ignored. Think you're wrong on this one.
>>204359326>I think this has way more to do with the politics and morale of the country at the time>Your thinking here is too self-contained in the movie businessyeah that makes sense
>>204359326>>204359343I should also have mentioned that the success of Easy Rider in 1969 played a huge part in what kind of films started getting made by the big studios in the early 1970s, it was a gritty film about doped up bikers and it was a huge smash.
>>204359473that makes sense too
>>204359511>You have these mainstream directors who were unintentionally influenced by the films of the Hays Code and unintentionally they normalize that mindset/taste.>there are some exploitation films that could or should be taken seriously and that a lot of the formal safe guys are absolute shit. Of course sometimes exploitation lowly type shit rises through the ranks through time, but how high? Night of the Living Dead is a "classic" at this point but what respectable director is making a zombie film, or citing Romero as an actual influence? Tarantino will feel his shit films to the brim with references but the majority of his fans aren't going to then go back and watch any 70s films, especially exploitation, he's considered above the trash even though he's voraciously influenced by it.These are great point you've made though.
>>204359594I'm not entirely sure where I was going with it though. Way too tired to think. Goodnight /film/.
>>204359226Watch this https://letterboxd.com/film/rerberg-and-tarkovsky-the-reverse-side-of-stalker/Everyone else itt who has any interest in Tarkovsky should also watch it
>>204359639I'm going to sleep now too, kek. Goodnight.
https://the.hitchcock.zone/wiki/Production_Code_Administration>The PCA were unhappy with some of the more risqué dialogue in To Catch a Thief and especially with the Cary Grant and Grace Kelly hotel room romance scene that ended with a sexually symbolic firework display.
>>204359648So I must watch an entire documentary about a director that I do not give a fuck about to understand the implications of what you were referencing?
>>204359204>>204359648Rerberg worked with some renowned Soviet filmmakers but he only did Mirror with Tark.Want an interesting fact about one Soviet cinematographer? So there was a guy Dziga Vertov, he made Man with a Movie Camera (1929). He had a younger brother who was a cinematographer, he worked with Vigo on all of his films and then worked in Hollywood on films like On The Waterfront and 12 Angry Men
Good night, /film/
>>204357017Satyajit Ray looks like Indian Bunuel
>>204358391Actually based
We can agree that 90% of modern arthouse consumers -the type of crowd we saw spring-ip on letterboxd and criterion over the last 10 years- are larpers, right?If so how do we sperate the wheat from the chaff? How do I know my bros here on /film/ aren't like that liberal girl on letterboxd giving glowing reviews to Bresson films?
>>204361765>We can agree that 90% of modern arthouse consumers -the type of crowd we saw spring-ip on letterboxd and criterion over the last 10 years- are larpers, right?Don't know or really care. Purity spiralling about this kind of is itself kinda LARPy.>How do I know my bros here on /film/ aren't like that liberal girl on letterboxd giving glowing reviews to Bresson films?Ye shall know them by their fruits. Spam racial slurs and see what they say maybe?
>>204361867*kind of thing
>>204359725It's more about Rerberg than Tarkovsky, I think you would find it interesting, it's a good doc
>>204358906Being filtered by WKW's non-Doyle work is common, he is a director who hates getting pegged, and if you operate entirely on memes it is easy to be confused. You see WKW has been filtering his Cannes fanbase for decades. 2046 barely has any Doyle and it is his best movie. Blueberry Nights and the Grandmaster are also WKW masterpieces but because they lack memes ("whoooa dude big macs") and cheap Christopher Doyle aesthetics, people are in a state of revolt. ("pretty imag... not as pretty as before. grug unhappy! wong kar wai bad!" They do not want him to grow past his quirk chungus origins and create mature kung fu masterpieces like the Grandmaster. Also his early films have no Doyle. WKW is the GOAT with or without Doyle. All the asian cinema people drop here is just massive cope that WKW is already the best chinese director and everyone else is fighting for second place. >Christopher Doyle without WKW is an outstanding filmography.Not really. Doyle just resorts to the same visual cliches film after film. It will have shots that make you go "whoooa dude the vibes" but it will likely be a terrible film.
>>204361956'As Tears Goes By' has no Doyle but the others do. Regardless, Doyle is just a meme, cinematographers having star power today is the most bizarre of situations, I attribute it to audiences being too dumb to understand cinema intellectually. Even animals can understand aesthetic beauty so cinematography is what people cling to. However, cinema is not a visual medium and never has been. This is a recent phenomenon of the last twenty years as IQs have dropped down the sewer and mass immigration has lowered the standards of culture.
>>204361956Big Blossoms Shanghai fan over here
>>204361956If you actually think Blueberry Nights is good, let alone a masterpiece, there is no hope for you. To call Dou Ho-Fung’s aesthetics cheap is absurd. >Also his early films have no Doyle.That is literally one film about incest.
>>204361765>liberal girl on letterboxd giving glowing reviews to Bresson films?why is this a bad thing? everyone has to start somewhere in film.
>>204361956>The Grandmaster>matureWeak bait. Better luck next time.
>>204362074>cinema is not a visual medium and never has beenwhat is it then?
>>204361765ask them for their take on Apatow. if they think of him as anything less than the greatest director of the century they're art hauxs
>>204361765I've literally never read a letterboxd review in my life. I've also never visited r/truefilm or whatever it's called in my life. You people seem to spend your time reading through websites that make you mad, then you come back here and complain about it. What is the point?
>>204361956>>204362074Based Wongslopper.
/film/ is fraudelent! You niggas are fakes.
>>204362340>What is the point?Being mad here.
>>204362362still nigga
>>204362148People are thrown off by that movie for having no oriental exoticism. He made a fully American movie in the style of the Taiwan new wave and exposed so much of our society that we don't see in movies. Such as humanizing the police. In american films there can't be police without shootouts, black people, and speeches about how hard it is.
>>204362362You a fake nigga, F for Fake
>>204362277Judd Apatow is ass. Just because you like one bad director doesn’t mean a thing.
>>204362417>oriental exoticismI retract my >>204362347
>>204362164Film is a form of literature, this is where all the great films exist.
>>204362417no, that homo should have cast Chow Yun Fat or Tony Leung in Jude Law's role. WKW is just another western sellout, like Yang.
>>204362451hmm perhaps r/disney would be more your speed : )
>>204362417>in the style of the Taiwan new waveu mean the hong kong new wave lil bro
>>204362454>Asian Orientalist Exoticsploitation GriftersEdward YangWKW>Asian filmmakers about racial identityTsaiWu Nien JenHHH
>>204362487Joe belongs in the first list.
>>204362512agreed. And at the very top of the list too.>Asian Orientalist Exoticsploitation GriftersJoe 'Blacked' WeresethawhateverEdward YangWKW>Asian filmmakers about racial identityTsaiWu Nien JenHHH
There is no point in talking to any of you all. Besides for a few of you, you all have some of the shittiest taste and takes.
>>204362546give (yous) coward
>>204362557No point, when 99% of you all are fakes.
>>204361956The Grandmaster was just playing up kung fu cliches for western festival boomers. Memes. Things to recognize. A rejection of real kung gu, and an embrace of filmic kung fu in order to server slop to Hollywood-brains.
>>204362600Agreed. WKW is the P.F. Changs of Asian cinema.
>>204362512No he doesn't. It's surface level analysis founded in contrarian bullshit. He's pretty irreverent about his country and takes the piss pretty often.
>>204362688He pisses on his own people... The traitor belongs on the list.
>>204362688>He's pretty irreverent about his country and takes the piss pretty often.You are arguing against your own case you autistic, esl, niggrw
>>204362600It is the total opposite, it is WKW connecting to his Chinese roots, just like he did with Wuxia in Ashes of Time, another film that filtered millions. The film festival crowd hated the Grandmaster because it is they consider kung funa base level artform. Wong's only oriental exoticism grift is Happy Together, a film that had an unbroken two minute gay sex scene. This is a shameless movie, and I sense that Wong Kar Wai regretted it, because not one of his movies ever had gay sex, kissing, or even gay romance.
>>204362711>He pisses on his own peopleNo he doesn't. Look at something like Jenjira Pongpas' character in Cemetery of Splendour. He does a great job of finding the universal in the particular with her amid all the gentle ribbing about her folksy Thai credulity.
>>204362734They consider kung fu a base artform* for people like Jackie Chan and so on, not a serious genre worthy of artistic respect. This is slowly changing as we are seeing genre films being championed today in the arthouse; even Godzilla movies are now playing in Cannes.
>>204362460Chow Yun Fat in a WKW movie would be great, but after Happy Together, you will never see this. Chow Yun Fat stays away from politics.
>>204362734Weak cope. Fags have nothing to do with the orientalist grift. There's no exotic value to them.Chungking Express is perhaps the worst case of orientalist grifting ever put to film.
>>204362819>Chungking Express is perhaps the worst case of orientalist grifting ever put to filmHow?
An anonymous board is the worst place to discuss film. I wish I could pick out each of you so I know who to avoid. These films that so many of you casually label as worthless are worth more than anything nearly all of you will ever produce.
>>204362832ALL THE LEAVES ARE BROWN100 fucking timesat least Comrades Almost a Love Story had the balls to use Teresa Ting on the score.
>>204362846What's orientalist about playing that song over and over again?
>>204362855panders to western taste vs. the lesser known Peter Chan film that embraces Chinese music.
>>204362734WKW rapes and distorts kung fu just like Jackie Chan, turning it into an idiotic and wacky stunt show for western viewers. The Grandmaster has nothing to do with real Chinese culture, real kung fu.
>>204362864>panders to western tasteThat seems more like what the opposite of what an orientalist would do.
>>204362819Combining hard gay sex with orientalism is the biggest possible grift. It is meant directly for western film festivals and all the black, lesbian and jewish judges. You think anyone in china is watching Happy Together? They find it sickening.
>>204362883taiwanese niggas be havin gay pride parades and gay marriage now, so yeah, im sure they watchin it over there and in hong kong
>>204362881No the orientalism comes from the Asian faces who are just regurgitating western pop culture back at them. Imagine if in Memento Christopher Nolan for no apparent reason had Guy Pierce obsessively listen to the same Chinese pop song over an over again simply because he wanted to sell the movie to overseas markets.
>>204362883Weak cope. China has a rich history of homosexuality before the CCP.
>>204362912>No the orientalism comes from the Asian faces who are just regurgitating western pop culture back at them.Which would kind of defeat the purpose for a good orientalist looking for oriental for oriental's sake, would it not?
bakin rn
asian lil bros just be griftin
Discussing film is for pseuds. You really think that film was so bad then make a better one. Fakes all of you!
>>204356452Eh, I don't see the issue. Represents the film well.
>>204362855ignore Fortune Cookie anon. he's a mentally ill ricel
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>>204354942Please make it the next OP.
>>204362999No, they are using their own Asian bodies to feed western pop culture back to whites, instead of celebrating their own culture. that is the orientalism grift. You will never see American filmmakers ever having the same love or respect for China, or other Asian nation in general.
Does someone have a tracker for Poaching by the Water? I'm intrigued but I cannot find a torrent
>>204361765what's wrong with Bresson
>>204363599>/film/'s reading comprehension
>>204363631idgi
>>204353587Maybe so, but it also must be that Kinski's genes are very strong. I bet his great great grandchildren will still look a bit like him.
>>204363674His great great grandchildren are going to be 100% white.
