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was it sexual harassment

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>>217109818
We've had one billy, yes. But what about second billy?

>>217109838
>uploads her Onlyfans archive directly into your brain

stunning. powerful.

So since that technology exists for making a "save point" of human brains and memories, what's preventing humans, or the RDA in particular, from transferring minds into fresh bodies whenever someone dies or even grows old.
Look at Quaritch, he was already over the hill, but he got a new life in a new body. Presumably that body also will last him a long time if he lives on.
Technically the RDA also still has his memory save file so they can make a new Quaritch or even have multiple ones running ops.

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>>217109842
Actually not impossible. FaA has better upward trend than TWoW, probably cause of Varang and more action.

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>>217109838
IT'S NOT MY FAULT

>>217109893
Conciousness doesnt get transfered. The new body is just a clone

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>>217109896
A billion in 2009 is 1.5 billion today. Original Avatar was insane.

>>217109838
JC simultaneously dicks around repeating himself while going full bore into some of the logical directions I've been imagining for ages. It was inevitable there would be a moment where natives were given guns and he probably gave it the best treatment possible with this character.

>>217109896
>more action
>more flying
>less whales (and more whale action)
>Toruk
>Varang
>stupid sexy Quaritch and his funny one-liners
Yep, I'm thinking billie is going plural.

>>217109838
It was framed as one, except Quatrich manifested "If i am willing this is not a rape" meme in reality later on.

>>217109914
It's de facto the same. Quaritch was "himself" when he woke up in the new body.

>>217109893
Money and inequality, the elite would no doubt do that. Though Pandora doesn't really seem like a priority to Earth for some reason.

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>>217109893
Maybe there's politics about cloning humans on earth, but they don't care about Na'vi hybrids or can't do anything about it on Pandora. Besides that Avatars are supposed to be the most expensive tech they have. Also you would essentially become a product of the RDA like Quaritch and chained to them for good. Quaritch didn't even seem like he knew the implications, or didn't care about someone that would only exist if he died.

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>>217109896
>"You want cultural impact? I'll show you cultural fucking impact, you cunts..." - Jimbo, probably
Varang became viral and the word on mouth is great, everybody's in love with her

>>217109973
She's not a mommy yet but she will be

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>>217109973
For good reason.

>>217109973
>it's real

>>217109954
They're not the same person. Navi Quaritch confirmed that when he crushed Human Quaritch's skull

>>217109893
A new body with a copy of your memories isn't you, anon. You are your brain and the near infinitely complex connections it's formed due to your genetics, formative years and continued outside stimuli. Even if a perfect copy is made, the spark of consciousness that is you resides in your flesh. There could be more yous, or a successor you, but the continued existence of the meat in your skull is what determines what is you. The closest you could get is Ship of Theseusing out the mortal fleshy parts of your brain one by one until you're it's organic and functionally immortal with the same spark of consciousness preserved throughout the process, but odds are we'll never achieve the level of ability necessary for you to really remain a person with the same depth and potential of personality after all that.

>>217109998
Dead man's memories...

>>217109954
He still had issues adjusting and was fucked up mentally by some stuff. His main advantage was that H Quaritch was dead which made process more seamless and less complicated. Imagine if he simply got captured at the end A1 and they kept him as a prisoner till A2.

>>217109964
can tell that hiss was from the heart

>>217109998
>same personality
>same memories
>same behavior

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Thoughts on the first minute of this video?

>>217109980
True. We need pregnant Varang in the next movie.

>>217110029
A copy is not the same as the original.

>>217110029
>same memories
Almost but not quite.

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>>217110010
>the spark of consciousness

You have some sort of autism where you bring outside new age mumbo jumbo into a fictional setting. Quaritch de facto woke up in his new navi body and behaved the same as old Quaritch, had the same memories and so on.
And then he was told Quaritch basically made a backup of his brain information. He LATER decides to go on his own path, but that's unrelated to him being de facto Quaritch in a new body.

>>217110030
I'm sorry, I couldn't get past the Black Panther final fight, it looks too awful

>>217110055
>be alive
>have clone made of you with your memories implanted
In this scenario, does your concsciousness simultaneously exist in both bodies or are you and your clone two different people?

>>217109918
>The Denarius being debased is a good thing

>>217110055
No, you're just a retard. NuQuaritch is mentally identical to old Quaritch, but old Quaritch is dead and gone. A rich narcissist who wants to live forever won't be satisfied by a perfect copy of himself running around if he's not retarded like you and realizes that he himself will cease to exist.

>>217110055
A clone with copied memories is simply not the same being as the original human. Why is this simple concept so hard for you to understand? Are you brown? How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast?

i just want to see the humans win once cameron, is that too hard to ask?

>>217110075
New Quaritch didn't remember his death, only everything up until his memories were preserved. There was no transference of consciousness, just preserved memories to put into blue Quaritch if the original never made it home.
If human Quaritch had survived they could have put his memories in his avatar and created ten more to implant his memories into as well. Not that it'd be a good idea.

>>217110118
I agree, my question served a rhetorical purpose.

i'm still kind of surprised that 3 was still so water based, i expected the family to go to different regions (eg the volcano one), and especially after the traders showed up- but nah it was just the water zone again
>>217109818
>eepy colonel edish
based

>Neytiri wouldn't care if her children died because she hates humans
>making clones with your memories is the same as immortality
We have a rogue retard in the facility.

>>217110092
That's why Amrita exists. Making a copy would only satisfy the scientific group or the philosophical bunch as an option for immortality.

anyone else lowkey addicted to https://forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org/

>>217109954
Nope, different people. This is getting philosophical but blue Q acts very different to human Q from the start (we need to act like na'vi, use their animals etc- even if human Q had an avatar while he was alive I feel sure he'd never do that shit). I think he does try to be like the human one at times but generally he acts in his own way.
>>217110011
Does get a bit weird with spider though. Seems like he wants to care for him like a father using old memories but it contrasts his new personality almost?

>>217110161
You're confusing them going on a mission to do a specific thing and them "existentially" and "philosophically" behaving different which is entirely your headcanon.

>>217109893
>>217109954
Those with the ego and resources to do it probably would, a similar thing happens at the end of Cyberpunk, and once real people can virtualize there'll be a lot of dead CEOs floating around cyberspace
But when most people want immortality they want their specific train of consciousness to continue, copies are a pale substitute for that

This is probably handwaved for the sake of the plot but have they ever hinted at what's keeping avatars unconscious when not piloted by the humans they're based on? I can't think of a reason why they'd be a meat puppet when not actively possessed. They should retain the memories of what happened in the avatar body.

>>217109973
>type "FIre and Ash" on twitter to check on box office numbers
>it is full of Varang porn
>Literally every post is porn of sorts

damn

>>217110092
>A rich narcissist who wants to live forever won't be satisfied by a perfect copy of himself running around if he's not retarded like you and realizes that he himself will cease to exist.

NTA but you're actually wrong about this. A rich narcissist absolutely wants to exert his will on earth after he's dead. It doesn't even have to be a clone, even an AI trained to think in equally twisted ways that was given control of his companies would be enough.

Like sure, they'd prefer to keep living themselves, but their psychology says it's better than nothing because they can keep torturing commoners long after they're dead.

>>217110253
Wow. I guess it's time to check twitter.

>>217109893
They could hand wave it with something like, the human brain can't handle having memories uploaded to it, but the genetics of a recomb brain make it possible. Thought, they do try to emphasis that making avatars is expensive.

>>217110296
If it's the best he's got then he'll go for it when he's on the verge of death and out of options, but the point is it's not something they'd be scrambling for like immortality juice. A good portion of them may not even go for it at all, especially if they have, say, a successor son they're proud of.

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>>217110369
Zoe isn't that dark

>>217110161
>Does get a bit weird with spider though
How so? I thought it was pretty straightforward. RDA wants spider, but he prefers to live with the na'vis with his dislike towards humanity mostly stems from the bad memories he got with his absent father figure. Now that he's technically a "different person" he's trying to win him over, using old quaritch memories to "be a better father". It's not even that hard to understand

>>217110075
NTA but you seem to use the word "concsciousness" as a synonym for soul. Souls don't exist irl (as can be seen by how behaviour changes dependent on material factors like hormones and neural injuries ). Maybe souls exist in Cameron's science-fantasy world, but we haven't seen them there either.

So yes, if I got cloned then there would be two versions of me simultaneous. Both of them have a concscious mind. Obviously they would start to differentiate from the moment they wake up again (different experiences etc.)

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>>217110369
>>217110393
Kino

>>217110423
You're stupid and shitting up yet another thread with your stupid trolling crap arguments

>>217110369
stop posting this

>>217110161
Bluaritch doesn't act differently because he's fundamentally different, he acts differently because his situation has become fundamentally different compared to his memories.
>no longer human
>no longer old
>no longer in charge
>it's been more than a decade
>his old self has a son
>the people he's fighting now look like him, he can't leave their world and he could be spending another hundred years there
He's trying to adapt and stay on top of everything that's changed in his situation without dealing with major personal problems and questions that would leave him in crisis. The change in Quaritch didn't come from within.

>>217110423
>So yes, if I got cloned then there would be two versions of me simultaneous.
So if your two versions stand back to back, you are looking in two direction at the same time? Or are you only looking in one direction while the clone looks in another? Do you think you have access to your clone's sensory data? Do you think this, or do you think that it's a separate entity you have no access to?

>>217110452
You're retarded and have no rebuttal. Nta but you need a dose of your own medicine. Read your post.

>>217109954
If you had your memory put into a clone right now and you were still alive, which one is the real you? Functionally they are the same, sure. But if someone walks up to you and stabs you with a machete you feel it, your clone doesn't. You slowly bleed out and fade away and die.

You never get to see what your clone sees. You never get to know what happens. 'you' die. Maybe to other people, you're still alive through your clone, but who the fuck cares what other people are thinking, you're dead. The words associated with you are still alive, and people think your person good is continuing, but you are either in the afterlife or in a black void of nothingness while a copy of you carries the torch of the 'concept' of you.

>>217110480
Holy shit you're dense. If two apples come from one tree, they're the same fucking apple. Different people can eat them, because the universe isn't solipsistic. You goddamn MONGOLOIDS NEED MORE THAN MEDIA LITERACY, YOU NEED BASIC FUCKING PHENOMENON EDUCATION

>>217110401
Always found the absent and the whole "wasn't the best of fathers" stuff a bit weird since Spider could not have been older then 2 when Quaritch and Paz Socorro died. Like he should realistically not remember jack and shit.

>>217110203
If they "wake", the body would be essentially braindead and catatonic. Perhaps nothing wrong health-wise, but there wouldnt be anybody home, so to speak.

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>>217110514
>If two apples come from one tree, they're the same fucking apple

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Imagine being Quatrich and seeing this every day.

>>217110541
Varang would constantly be pregnant.

>>217110423
I can't believe you don't grasp this. You are stuck on autistic semantics. Are you not a conscious being?
>>217110514
You're saying you and your siblings are the same person?? What are you fucking smoking dude.

>>217110541
Imagine being mangkwan male and knowing you'll never get anything but scars from her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMxUVqAROUE

>>217110759
Her entire tribe is composed of simps and cucks.

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>the spinny weapons were oona's idea

>>217110527
Yeah, but it's never elaborated on, right? An avatar would have to be remote piloted since a remote transferal of consciousness would be even more outlandish, but even if something is keeping that avatar from being conscious without piloting, what's keeping it from storing memories and being able to gain consciousness of whatever that block is was disabled?
It doesn't make sense for it to just be a possessable meat drone incapable of being its own person, unless it's a handwaved concept, which is fine.

>Mangkwan only became degenerates within the last generation (Varang's generation)
>they lost people during the eruption and ensuing starvation, they die on raids and they died in droves all throughout FaA
I wonder if Jim is going to account for the fact that the Mangkwan should be on the verge of extinction at this point or if there'll be hundreds more of them materialized ready to die in the next film.

>>217110423
>So yes, if I got cloned then there would be two versions of me simultaneous.
So if I point a gun at your clone's head and then at your head you would have the exact same response as long as your clone is guaranteed to live?

>>217110861
He will have them force other clans and collect outcasts to replenish their fighting force. With the help of RDA weapons they can realistically bully and enslave other na'vi.

>>217110861
>Quatrich and Varang now have to move around just like Jake's family in TWoW, except not to find sanctuary but to actually force tribes to join them.

>>217111004
I hadn’t thought much about that angle. Been wondering more about what the RDA does next. But do you think the ash people will be a rising power in the next one? Maybe Barang and Quaritch become real warlords?

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Quaritch is not the same person, simply because he has a new body, and the mind is an extension of the body. As soon as he wakes up he's in a vessel that will reshape whatever mind they put in it because it attuned to a different nature than his old one. This is obviously the trajectory he has followed and will continue to follow. Viewed this way, it is almost like a battle Eywa is waging on his human soul to quell its danger to her, since half the DNA comes from Pandora and it desires to be one with the environment it was created for. Jake has reinforced this in the latest movie, urging him to embrace his Na'vi side and integrate.

>>217111004
enslaved na'vi is in the concept art, but used as ye old construction slaves building Bridgehead

>>217110499
As a counterpoint, (You) are your experiences and your genes so a clone that has both is you just like your Children are also partially you in a literal sense.

If the perfect clone is not “you” then are you even “you” compared to yourself in the past?

Also Avatar is a Christian world and souls exist which is why the avatar tech can work at all and why Eywa can migrate your soul to a new body.

>>217111004
>>217111027
>RDA frames the Mangkwan (and Quaritch) for the loss of the whaling fleet for bumbling corpo PR purposes, using footage of him in full warpaint and arguing with the general, even suggest he helped Sully escape
>Quaritch and Varang now surrounded by enemies with a depleted Ash Tribe that spent most of its munitions in the last battle
>Quaritch becomes Toruk Makto purely as a recruitment drive for the Mangkwan and their raids now prioritize the RDA for their weapons

>>217110885
(nta)
Personally of course not, but if we're talking about someone living in a world with that kind of tech, yes. Any society that objects to mind digitization and its full use would be brutally outcompeted by groups or even individuals with a more pragmatic mindset, so those objections would go away one way or another. It's such an absurdly powerful capability, similar to time travel in the sense that you can't just casually introduce it to a setting without its implications breaking the rest of the worldbuilding.

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>>217109890
Based

Can we just have a cut of this movie with varang and quadrich ?

I couldn't stand this movie or the last one but something about me self inserting as quadrich and varang raping me with her hairussy is hot

Can't stand the other characters especially in way of water

>>217110806
>everybody's just jumping in the fire, do they even notice my new moves?
Woman moment

>>217111093
I expect things to play out this way. I do also think Quaritch will have a small group of RDA grunts loyal to him ( mostly Sec Ops). Could tie it in with the game were he's actually respected by the military grunts. Having someone like Bubonsky joining him would make sense.

>>217111121
I'm not saying people wouldn't do it, I'm saying the stream of consciousness of that original person isn't even affected by the clone existing
No one in this hypothetical future would get an immortal clone of themselves made and be like "oh thank god now I don't have to die" because they are still going to die
If anything mind copying would just increase the thirst for development towards genuine biological immortality, which is much more exciting

Love how this has turned into a debate about clones and their relation with the original. I expected this stuff from a SOMA thread but I guess were doing it here.

>>217111239
It should be such an obvious thing and yet some people refuse to accept that it's the same person. Like, imagine there's twins. They're the same, right? Now if the other twin dies, the other still lives, so it's a single continuity. So what if the other twin dies before the other is born? There's no loss of information in the apple from branch to branch.

>>217111093
>Quatrich speeds up industrial revolution among Na'vi in spite of Eywa and creates industrial monarchy to fend off next RDA expedition.

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Avatar 4 be like

>i have come for Varang to settle a score..

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>>217111256
>He's still going at it
NTA, but if you think that Navitch is still the same person, especially him existing in a Na'vi body with all the sensory input available to him that wasn't ever accessible for the original, you're a fucking brainlet.

>>217111289
This is what I expected Avatar 3 to be but I'll be happy if it's in the sequel.

>>217111301
I, too, have come scores for Varang .

>>217111168
Quaritch needs to become the Pandoran Ceasar

>>217111256
How can you not grasp that there is a stream of consciousness in you that doesn't get to continue if you die regardless of the existence of a twin? I'm not even talking about souls I just mean the literal act of perceiving and remembering.

>>217111187
>No one in this hypothetical future would get an immortal clone of themselves made and be like "oh thank god now I don't have to die" because they are still going to die
What about 10 clones? 100? 1000?
If even a single person has the opportunity and the mindset required to basically become gray goo, then that's the mindset that will survive, because you can't really counter it with anything other than another paperclip maximizer nutjob/AGI.

>>217111365
He probably can't picture an apple or do three levels of recursion

>>217111289
>At the end of the series Quaritch is remembered as a Alexander the Great/Genghis Khan historical figure
>Jake is kinda forgotten and he can actually live his life in peace

>>217111384
Okay but none of your imaginary scenarios are applicable to Avatar so I don't get the point

>Movie ends with everyone accepting Spider

I wish beginning of the movie established everyone (besides family) rejecting Spider better than it was done, because ending feels like pay off to something that was barely there from begin with.
Outside Neytiri eveyone basically rolled with the kid no big deal.

>>217111384
None of that changes what I said
You're making a completely different argument now about what continues to exist i.e. natural selection, which yes is valid but it doesn't affect the original dead man those clones were based on
He is still dead and not immortal in the same way having 10 kids doesn't make you immortal

>>217111289
>Miles "I will make Pandora the Earth done right" Quatrich

would be funny

>>217111410
Jake considered him a liability too (in two different ways), but yeah it's just the parents that changed

>>217111365
Please stop arguing with the clinically retarded anon, bro. He's hopeless and he loves the attention. There's actual good shit to talk about.

But what's the endgame for Lo'ak? So far the only thing that makes him special is being brother to tulkun, but what does this accomplish in the grand scheme of things?

>>217111365
>>217111460
NTA but I wonder how Eywa or whatever that entity is transferred Jake's original stream. She probably used the Avatar program knowledge as a blueprint, with Grace' knowledge being available to her.

>>217111410
His entire life has been as a Naviboo who was permanently an Other in multiple inescapable ways. In 3 the main barriers were conquered but then he became a threat to the planet and was nearly killed by his own foster parents.
Maybe it could have used an extra scene but that goes for a lot of things. Him connecting for the first time and being accepted is still big for his arc.

>>217111491
If it formed a neural link like a kuru, Jake's original consciousness was preserved and it wasn't a clone with memories situation. The bigger feat would probably be undoing/reconstructing whatever keeps the avatar comatose when the immersion machine isn't piloted, not that that was ever explored.

>>217111505
It's particularly cruel to Spider that he can't even go to Earth as a teenager, he's basically a Na'vi trapped in a human body, he wouldn't last a month on Earth.It'd be suicide, he's as much of an alien to Earth as Na'vi are

I cannot wait that long for the next movie bros...

>>217111491
Eywa can't do that shit, as evidenced by bro asking how he died at the start of the movie

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>>217111554
Can't or doesn't? We have no idea what a planet-wide living neural net is capable of

>>217111564
Okay so this is the cultural impact of Avatar, 179 images of AI slop porn

>>217111600
What's scary is how many people are BUYING AI generated porn

>>217111582
Unless it removes their brain and puts it in a safe pod it is not transferring their consciousness because souls are not real

>>217111554
this was different, jake had two of his bodies connected to it at the same time. I don't think the jake in 2 and 3 is a clone like na'vitch though the movies have been getting darker so who knows

>>217111648
>>217111701

If Eywa did a Ship of Thesseus style transfer by turning off Jake's original brain cell one by one while simultaniously turning on the corresponding cells in his Avatar's brain he wouldn't even notice the transition.

>>217111554
>>217111582
The real question is whether the imprints inside Eywa retain and develop experiences made through connection with the living.
Next time Lo'ak connects and speaks with Neteyam, will Neteyam remember what he said to Lo'ak about his guilt over his death?

>>217111701
Yeah we have no idea how the avatar bodies work, it could need machine hardware in there with some quantum computing bullshit to have no latency
I doubt it will ever come up though

>>217111735
if they don't the na'vi wouldn't believe they are actually living in Eywa

>>217111734
Noticing the transition was never the point
If Star Trek teleporter users are ending their stream of consciousness then starting a copy of it every time they are deconstituted then they also wouldn't notice the transition

>>217109838
>sexual harassment
no it was full-blown rape.
>>217109920
>the best treatment possible
yeah it was good, the only problem was he should have spent more time on the Ash plot instead of wasting time repeating himself

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>>217111735
I still don't understand why some people are going so easy on Lo'ak, saying he shouldn't feel guilty about getting his brother killed. I'm the anon from previous threads who did an Avatar marathon on New Year's eve while paying undivided attention to every detail I could catch. I counted FIVE situations that could turn lethal because of Lo'ak refusing to listen to anybody. The fifth one got Neteyam killed. Jake is ultimately at fault for neglecting his son's developing inferiority complex and for playing favorites. But Lo'ak should process the consequences of his actions to grow as a character and become a reliable leader he was always meant to. Infantilizing him does a disservise to what Jim is doing with him.

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>>217110328
it's called "X" stop deadnaming it.

>>217111892
2nd panel, son's leg

>>217110759
the track is fire

>>217111881
Lo'ak's a stupid kid doing stupid kid things. Jake's the real fuckup for how he handled it, especially that whole "if it wasn't for you your brother would still be alive" comment that had him about to Kurt Cobain himself.

>>217112067
>gets into an argument with his son
>goes to get drunk
>"I got nothing to say to him"
What a grumpus

>>217111881
>saying he shouldn't feel guilty about getting his brother killed
I don't know about that. He knows that if he had made different choices then Neteyam would probably still be alive. They didn't gloss over that; his guilt over Neteyam's death was what half his scenes were about in 3. He was literally about to blow his brains out. I don't think not feeling responsible for the death of the older brother that he worshipped is an issue with Lo'ak.

I think people say he's 14 and didn't kill his brother. Which he didn't. The people coming after Jake because of what Jake did killed his brother.

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>>217112140
>>217112173
I'm not saying that Jake is not at fault, in fact he's the main reason it happened. And Neytiri is completely within her right to call him out on his bullshit parenting methods. But Lo'ak needed to go through this in the third movie, he had to realize that this all is not a game and people can and will die if he continues to fuck up the way he constantly did in TWOW.

Also, it's funny how /AFAG/ can have serious discussions about parenting, consciousness transfer, cyberpunk corporate dystopias, sins of the fathers and other interesting topics. These movies are shallow my ass.

>>217112173
>>217112249
Lo'ak 100% got his brother killed. He says exactly this and it's objectively true. Stop being whiny babies about it saying "noooo you can't blame him, he's just a kid!" That fucker had a hundred warnings to stop touching the stove and he got burned because he refused to listen. And Neytiri has been turned into an idiot from her beliefs in the first movie. You know what Jake said about how she teaches? Learn fast OR DIE. If Jake had been a retard and died while doing some task she gave him, Neytiri would have shrughed and said that moron should have listened and it's his fault.

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>>217109818
Well I just returned from theatre. The baddies were propably the only captivating part of it. The rest was some fammily ecodrama. Plus the young boy trying to talk some sense into the elder whales.

>>217109893
If they can do it, that doesn't really change anything for what's going on in the films. Humans already have overpopulation issues, and almost all people on earth can't afford any of the actual cool advanced technology and health treatments. And it doesn't change the fact that people can't live on Pandora.

Are Varang's weapons made of metal? It kind of sounds like it from when she moves them a couple of times but the material looks like it could be an animal bone or something

>>217112353
I'm not the anon defending Lo'ak. All I'm saying is that Jake fucked up as a father when things got tough. If you hadn't noticed, his parenting style was extremely toxic to both boys. Not only did he neglected Lo'ak, he's the one in the beginning lashing out at Neteyam failing to keep an eye on his little brother. Then after they fight with the reef kids, he tells him the opposite, that he shouldn't take blame for that knucklehead. Jake has a right to be mad at Lo'ak, but let's not pretend that he's a perfect dad, he's far from it.

>>217112448
I think they be obsidian or something similar.

>>217109818
>Going to second viewing on wednesday
>Now get mom with me
>She didn't watch TWoW so decided to watch it on TV
>Didn't watch it since 2022 myself, never had an urge really
>Started watching it on TV
>Realized im fully locked in 15 minutes in, mom too

Yep, that is some good fucking movie even without bigass theater screen. It flows so well, way better than early FaA to be honest. Scene after scene just feels placed righ, editing and script are superb.

>>217112450
I think Jake's a shit father because he's projecting his own self-loathing onto his sons. He's loving and has time for them but when he's stressed, and he lives a very stressful life, all his guilt about ruining Neytiri's life and the thousands of deaths that have come about through his actions seeps out and his prime targets are two boys who are half him.
No way you'd see him doing this shit with Tuk. I wish there were a few more scenes of him interacting with Tuk.

>>217112471
>they be
they *are*

>>217110029
>same personality
No, especially in a different body.
>same memories
No, the moment a copy is created the copy starts its own memory process.
>same behavior
Partly, due to point 1.

Cameron should have made it clear that Q1 and Q2 are different entities because apparently many people just think it's magic immortality, which invalidates the entire point of pretty much any subplots of the story.

>>217112448
I think they're using the generic fantasy drawing_bladed_weapon_01.mp3 sound effect at times, but they're clearly some type of glass or stone.

I also believe that Neytiri has a new knife in this movie. It's green glass or stone. Jake uses it when almost killing Spider

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>>217112538
He's also probably projecting his own insecurities about being an imposter because it was Tommy who was supposed to be driving his body, not him. Tommy was a scientist, not a dumb marine grunt. Neteyam was the perfect son, he was handsome, a good hunter and he didn't have human physical traits like Lo'ak, and Lo'ak is also acts just like Jake used to when he was a young idiot. Looking at Lo'ak must remind him of himself being the fuckup brother and he hates it.

>>217112512
yeah the beginning of TWoW is a lot more gripping and it has the kino ISV landing scene

>>217112573
He makes it as clear as he can but people are just stupid. Why do you think we see complete morons saying it's unrealistic they couldn't fix Jake's spine trauma related paralysis in the future ignoring the fact it's literally explained in the movie.

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fun flick

>>217110369
i do find it funny that everyone draws human kiri in the same hippie/frumpy style

>>217112538
>I wish there were a few more scenes of him interacting with Tuk.
>jake to kiri: shh baby girl i'll protect you i'll keep you safe ok ily
>tuk watching jealously in the distance

>>217112772
Loak and Spider are so fucking lucky.
Also nice to see artists picking up on some Navi characters more than before.

I saw it in 3D but I'm gonna go back and see it in imax.

Tuk must be royally fucked up from being in constant mortal danger, threatened, kidnapped, forced to flee, having her brother die, having her parents broken by grief and tons of general stress and uncertainty on a personal, relationship and macro level.

Like she's either going to completely break and kill herself or turn into the coldest motherfucker on Pandora

>>217112611
They should explore this imposter syndrome more in the next movie. Not only is he technically the wrong person for this avatar body, he's a great leader of the Na'vi when he's not even from the Pandora

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>>217112955
>coldest motherfucker on Pandora
She'll follow her mother's footsteps in spilling seas of Pinkskin blood.

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>Check on reddit
>See this comment

What kind of creature would ask if Cameron's movie is any good? What kind of blockbusterd does motherfucker like that even watch to ask this question?

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>>217113073
You already know the answer, tsmuk

isn't fucking aliens still human supremacy?
at least, as an invader.
you are forcing their next generation to be human creatures.

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>>217112611
This is definitely it. Neteyam was the golden child and took all his traits, features, appearance from Neytiri. The way he acts as a guardian and teacher is something Jake appreciates and it is like what Neytiri did for him. But when Jake looks at Lo'ak, he sees himself.

Imagine wasting 3 hours of your life watching CGI slop.

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>>217113073
>the women actually have personalities
Ex-fucking-cuse me?? Did these xisters even watch the first two movies?

>>217109818

Stop posting about this awful 3 hour videogame cutscene.

>>217113224
I love how the other comments (not pictured here) completely disagree with the both of them

>>217110052
Wtf, Kiri and fish girl are literally teens. This post is very problematic.

>>217111834
>full-blown rape
FULL-BLOWN

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>>217113346
>This post is very problematic
You're not in r/movies anymore, you're in /AFAG/

>>217113350
>gets to fuck prime Kiri
Spider is literally me

>>217111633
Promt artists needs to eat too.

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>>217109964
Isn't Quaritch the only one to break the connection on his own? Imagine being Varang and spending your life buckbreaking Eywa cocksuckers. Then you try to mindrape this abomination and he breaks the connection on his own.

>>217113511
nah discount sigourney yeets varang too.

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>4 more years until the next Avatar movie
Bwos... What am I supposed to do now? Play the Avatar game?

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>>217110042
Varang is going to bear Quaritch at least four kids in the timeskip. And she's going to be pregnant with his fifth when the movie starts

>>217113582
>impregnating Varang
GIWTWM

>>217113540
>trying to use your edgy atheist magic on forest Jesus
ishygddt

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>>217113575
>What am I supposed to do now? Play the Avatar game?
Literally doing this right now. I usually just rewatched A1 once in every few years and only saw TWOW twice, but this time something changed, I'm not ready to let go of Pandora for the next 4 years. Diving deep into the lore for the first time

>>217113511
Should have this smile on Neytiri.
>when you see an undermanned pinkskin patrol

>>217113660
Is this still on sale on Steam?

>>217113660
The game is amazing
On the PS5 controller you can feel the plants you're collecting.

>>217113575
I'm playing 2009 game atm, it's pretty crude but once you get your ikran it gets surprisingly fun to just traverse the levels, without it you are bound to tight jungle corridors on maps that look like from old rts games but while flying there are no invisible walls or obstacles and the whole thing gets wide open. And the views are spectacular.
>>217113660
Is it worth it? I've been thinking about buying it but was afraid it's just far cry alien forest edition

>>217113540
Kiri doesn't count. She literally na'vi Jesus. Quaritch is just a lab freakshow who's never connected with anything outside his Irkan. The whole thing should've kept him overwhelmed

>>217113190
I love how much nuance like this is in those movies. Then again maybe it's the same with Star Wars but I just never cared enough to look into it deep enough

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Should Kiri let her hair grow during the timeskip?

>>217113917
Yes, imagine the smell

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>>217113796
It's one of the first games I bought for my PS5. Playing it on a 55 inch TV gives a completely different feeling than anything I've played on PC. The world feels amazing, the characters are kind of dumb and I can see the similarity to Far Cry, but for me it's remote enough. I like paying attention to the plants around me and collecting them if I need them, but it never feels like they're burdening you with it like in Far Cry or Assassin's Creed.

>>217113224
>Cameron finally took the feedback
The final drafts of the scripts were finished in 2017 and 2 and 3 were filmed simultaneously from 2017 to 2020.

Can't even get their backhanded compliments straight

>>217113350
>Spider taller than blue Jesus
try again

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>>217113917
>granny voice
varang is the superior choice.

>>217113575
see FaA a few more times while it's still in theaters and then forget about avatar until the next one so you don't kys because you can't live in pandora nor a cool cyberpunk city

>>217113961
The Eywa fungus is making him grow

>>217113961
don't be mean AI is only little

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>>217113796
>>217113758
It IS a Far Cry game on Pandora, but there's some cool lore and they added a third-person mode recently. The game is not perfect and it's noticeable that it wasn't written by Cameron (there's a particularly irritating millennial written quirk chungus character you just want to strangle to death every time she opens her mouth), but holy shit did they nail Pandora's night time bioluminescence. It's a visual orgasm

>>217113933
>smell
W-what hair are you talking about?

>>217113966
Tbf Siggy has always sounded the same. And looked the same. She's ageless

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>MaJake, I know you are lying
>There's no way this "shrimp" you describe could ever fry rice

>>217109914
>>217109998
>>217110161
>>217110499
Stupid christ cucks there is no such thing as a soul its still him except being young again and navi hormones changes how he act. If you took steroida you would become a homocidal caveman becausw excessive testerone gives you roid rage. Imagine waking up and no longer having to piss at 2 am again you'd feel like a different person. Jake underwent the same thing but no one says he died in avatar 1

>>217114027
>no one
Everyone has been asking that since the second movie. And after that dialogue with Quartich in his cell... It seems like that's what Jake believes too

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>>217114027

This movie was contrived with the plot armor, way of water 2

>>217114027
You don't understand the discussion.
The question is: can a clone be considered the same person as the original.

>>217114073
Who do you think should have died? The only time I think someone went through something that 100% should have killed them was Lo'ak having the underwater explosion like 50m away from him that was strong enough to shock Payakan but didn't turn Lo'ak's skull to jelly. But that's just normal movie stuff where explosions don't hurt unless they are direct hits.

>>217114125
nta
Most of the family to be honest, Lo'ak should've been dead like five times over in the previous movie alone.
I also dislike how they always find a convenient excuse why Quartich can't just drop Jake on the spot and has to wait until the finale to do anything.

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>>217113796
The OG game was one of the best movie-games of all time
>fantastic graphics
>god tier art design
>god tier sound design on everything from guns to animals
>massive Pandorapedia
>can play as both humans and na'vi
>ridiculously huge: giant maps, tons of weapons and armor and vehicles and abilities, two completely different story modes with different locations that all feel unique
>cameos by movie characters
The humans were too powerful and the na'vi were a bit clunky, but it was a great game

>>217114157
"Convenient" would be like a gunship exploding and a fully loaded machine gun falling out of it and landing right next to Jake ready to use. Quaritch being unable to kill him on the spot because he needs him to track Spider is just normal writing. Then later they arrest him without resistance, so they can execute him the human way and make good optics.

>>217113611
>Pregnant Varang tities
We must stay strong brothers

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>>217109838
Rape

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>>217114350
The fujoshi have reached Pandora...

>>217114366
that's a clone of his father, why are gooners like this

>>217114391
It’s a sexy ship

>>217114366
Nnnooooooooo!

>>217114379
Because 90% of the main characters are naked with perfect bodies

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>>217114012
<3<3<3<3<3<3

>>217114379
As long as they watch the movie and pump those numbers they are more than welcome

>>217114422
She can be cute when she's not ripping the innards out of pinkskins or screaming about ripping them out

Was Fire and Ash the first movie that showed na'vi using intoxicating substances?
>Jake drinking in his hut
>mangkwan crack pipe
>Quaritch toasting with the group at Bridgehead

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>>217114379
Yes
https://x.com/L3earfat/status/2006069663671935422

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Do we have rips of the movie? Was Neytiri topless in the scene where Ronal sees air breathing Spider for the first time?

>>217114466
Jake goes on a ayahuasca trip in an omaticaya ritual in one of the deleted scenes for the first movie

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>>217114466
One of the deleted scenes of A1 is Jake trippin' balls on Na'vi ayahuasca as part of his initiation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud-0j4sU7Bs

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>>217114500
Cute couple

>>217114507
>>217114515
Huh

>>217114503
> Was Neytiri topless
Yes. Blue nipples out!

>>217114507
>>217114515

You're both correct. Why was the Pandoran Ayahuasca scene deleted from the first Avatar film?

>Humans travel through outer space using spaceships
>Navis travel through inner space using Pandoran Ayahuasca

That's kino.

>>217114635
Same reason it's a class 1 drug

the weeknd's avatar song mogs miley's hard

>>217114411
Yes

>>217114592
That's the favorite scene Jim was talking about when he was asked why people would watch it repeatedly

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Is Avatar juice good for you?

>>217114987
Yes mommy.

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>human male on female na'vi relationships

>>217114275
When you stack it all up it thwarts common sense

>>217114366
Fujos are so gross.

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>only a 29% drop internationally
>36.5% drop domestically
Explain this americanbros.

>>217109929
Quipping Quaritch is cringe. It was like watching Marvel slop. They should have kept his personality more like his original (which is what was supposed to happen)

>>217115157
Americans can't afford to go to the movies

>>217115182
>They should have kept his personality more like his original
You mean the guy who kept making jokes? Quaritch is exactly like every non-alcoholic officer I ever knew with the same shitty sense of humor and I love him for it

>>217111086
>If the perfect clone is not “you” then are you even “you” compared to yourself in the past?

There's causal and spatiotemporal continuity, that's why it's still 'You'. Having your memories snapshotted and pasted into a different body is not 'You', there's no continuity of consciousness, you're just dead

>>217115157
#inflationgate
#stopthecount

>>217110759
The mangkwan females that I've seen were very desirable nevertheless. There's no lack of real beauties there by human standards.

>>217115182
>Quipping Quaritch is cringe. It was like watching Marvel slop
Not even close

I am delighted that Avatar: Fire And Ash has now reached a billion dollars and in less than a month at that. Not bad for the third film in the franchise.

>>217115182
Nah, Stephen Lang's delivery was great.

>>217115274
Well ain't this a bitch

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>>217115287
>>217115201
Kinoritch

There are interesting plot twists, one being that Pandora was once a highly advanced civilization that fell a long time ago, and their so-called Ewya hides this with rules that target their technological development. Another is that Ewya is actively trying to assimilate the human genome, which is alien, into the nature of the planet. God knows if she has been guiding the evolution of the Na'vi into making a better specimen to cultivate Earth, which is a dead planet by all means.

Watched it for a second time yesterday. So what happened with the huge army toruk makto puts together in the third act, did they all get wiped the fuck out? Jake's side seemed to be losing the battle pretty bad before Eywa intervened

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>>217115417
Yes, just like the ending of the original, the natives got slaughtered by superior human tech until Eywa turned its creatures against us

>>217115417
The best warriors are the Ash people; this, with modern weapons, is a game changer.

>>217115417
Turns out good tactics only take you so far when all your enemies have rifles and all your allies refuse to use metal at all
See also the Zulu wars

>>217115417
na'vi don't fight and approach all fighting like hunting the dangerous animals on Pandora. That means they go in for a massive surprise strike in hopes of killing their prey immediately, but if they can't they retreat.

If you watch that battle carefully the gunships and boats barely get any shots off so they can't have killed many na'vi, however enough of them survive to regroup when the ash na'vi arrive and ambush the ambushing na'vi which means basically everyone except Jake's family retreats to safety while some get killed. There's no gunfire after Jake falls off the toruk up until Eywa saves they day again

>>217115417
Many of them died yeah. In the spirit world scene in the end you can see some of them, such as the woman who was the leaders of one of the other water tribes (The one Quaritch was interrogating earlier, she ended up joining the battle in the end)

>>217115613
It's their way of being immortal. If you die, you offer your body to ewya and she digests it and transfers the mind to a virtual place. She's basically a giant computer, but organic.

I hope we keep seeing Neteyam once or twice every movie, his appearances in the afterlife are the most emotional in both the sequels.

>>217109914
The clone was a distinct person until he learned what transpired in the final battle of Avatar 1, then he became indistinguishable.

>>217115683
I have a theory.
>Way of Water is narrated by Jake, has Jake meet Neteyam in spirit world
>Fire and Ash is narrated by Lo'ak, has Lo'ak meet Neteyam in spirit world
By this logic, we should see
>Avatar 4 is narrated by Kiri, has Kiri meet Neteyam in spirit world
>Avatar 5 is narrated by Neytiri, has Neytiri meet Neteyam in spirit world

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>>217115765
>seeing something happen on video is the same as experiencing it yourself
No

Ewya is a dangerous lifeform and has plans or is planning to find ways to infect Earth with its roots. She's plotting something.
And it's either the shareholders or an alien lifeform. Who do you side with?

>>217115770
would be based

>>217109998
How is that confirmation?

>>217114086
I will counter...does it matter?
Why would the duplicate clone with identical memories be in anyway different? This isnt the same as a twin sibling. The only difference in personality is purely situational because he has to accept hes a dirty tree fucking bligger

rewatching avatar 1 the navi are kinda dumb in it

>>217110369
>Lo'ak is whiter than Tuk/Neteyam since he has more avatar features
Pretty good attention to detail desu

>>217115863
You complete fucking moron. Clones don't experience each other's senses. Two physical beings cannot occupy the same space at the same time. These are basic fundamental laws of physics. Not only are clones different consciousnesses, they are entirely separate people with their own perceived reality and their own steam of consciousness the very moment the clone is created. You can't admit you were wrong and now you are doubling down on being an obstinate piece of shit, just leave. This thread doesn't need you

>>217116043
Two apples from the same tree are the same apple, one of them wins the coin toss

>>217110514
but apples dont breed true. even seeds from the same apple fruit (singular) will sprout into different trees giving (sometimes wildly) different fruit

>>217110435
>avatar: falls for a white guy
>Gotg: falls for a white guy
>Colombiana: dates a white guy
>PoC: used to date a white guy
>Star trek: dates a white guy

>>217109893
>So since that technology exists for making a "save point" of human brains and memories, what's preventing humans, or the RDA in particular, from transferring minds into fresh bodies whenever someone dies or even grows old.
Ohh look, it's another retard who doesn't get the teleportation paradox.

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>>217116187
>IRL: all three sisters marry white guys

>>217116043
>doubling down on being an obstinate piece of shit, just leave. This thread doesn't need you
NTA but you do realize that you are talking with many different people and have so for days/weeks at this point? In fact, you are the obstinate guy here, almost every day you bring up your dumb soul talk and when anons dare to have a different opinion then you have a meltdown and accuse everyone of beeing a samefag. It is (you) who is one guy, the other posts are by different people (as can be seen by them having different arguments). There is NOT a singular clonesanon, and certainly no one with a mission to troll (you) personally.

>>217109954
I have the technology to copy your brain and put it in an identical body. Would you let me copy you into a new identical body if I gave you $100? I also get to rape and kill your old body.

>>217116043
There isnt two Quaritchs dumbass stick to the topic before chimping out

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>>217115951

Does anyone have a screenshot of that little smirk Varang does right after she says "nice trick, quaritch"?

>>217116296
I can confirm that he's at least two guys, but if one of him died and I'd still be here

>>217116043
im really tired of this faggot redditor shitting up every thread with his nonsense

>>217116318
>>217116332
Look, I think we can all agree that if you wake up dead, it means you went to bed when you were still alive, right?

So... when will Jim announce whether or not he will continue with the next film?

>>217116387
My guess after 1.5billies

>>217116304
>There isnt two Quaritchs dumbass stick to the topic before chimping out
You're correct because Quaritch died in Avatar 1, and a clone with Quaritch's memories was created afterwards in Avatar 2.

>>217116445
>There isnt two Quaritchs dumbass
not him but there should be multiple quaritch's running around

>>217116387
He already said he's going to do a press conference, the movie flopped so bad that he'll never make another one again. Farts and Ass was the Heaven's Gate for his career.

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How did jimmy get away with it?

>>217110861
they accept the outcasts and presumably will pressgang survivors due to quiddich actially reading the wu shu art of war. he goes alium alexander the great on their asses, except no gay

>>217116456
It would be dope as hell if ReQuaritch goes full colonel Kurtz and the RDA defrost another recom quaritch to hunt him down

The movies have to much Christian propaganda

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>>217116517
imagine if they regrew the human Miles Quaritch to hunt the navi quaritch

>>217116517
and then they fuck.
the first gays of pandora.

some blud baked a thread 5 minutes ago before this hits bump limit

>>217116573
And it's a bait thread, too

>>217115201
the original Quaritch was not making cringe Marvel quips like in Fire and Ash. Even in WotW he wasn't this bad.
>>217115223
do you pinky swear that it's not even close?

>>217115827
The natural course of humanity is more parasitic and suicidal than any alien parasite, so give me the god-fungus.

>>217116563
The reason Quaritch even got so much free roam comes down to the fact of the shareholder that invested its wealth in pandora having a vindictive vendetta against Jake and his tree-hugging ideals. He wants him dead even if he has to burn it all. It's about sending a message here. Higher-ups are extremely vindictive.

>>217116538
good

>>217110861
Yeah, there shouldn't be many left. Mankwan numbers are part of the unclear scale of A3, just like the significane of the human defeat at the end, the damage to bridgehead, the losses on the good na'vi side etc.

But I'm sure they'll just respawn for the next movie. Apparently there are loads of them in the new game.

I think it would be cool if the Mankwan would replenish by kidnapping children from other clans and indoctrinate them. And by making many babies of their own of course. I hope Varang has atleast four with Quarritch.

Anyone else feel like the 3rd movie was sort of a repeat of the 2nd one? They share so many story beats.
>family moves
>Neyrtiri doesn't like Spider
>Jake still a shitty dad and has no character
>Loak still a fuckup ignoring orders
>Spider gets captured then freed
>whales get hunted
>Tuk gets taken hostage by Quaritch
>big fight on boat at the end

etc etc. Felt lazy as fuck.

>>217116573
Then it's fake and doesn't count.

>>217116656
At the final battle there were still hundreds of them. And I don't think that many died overall, they were slaughtering until the squid strike started and that was only targeting humans. Fire nation bros probably just dipped with Varaang

>>217116638
That’s not a good thing

>>217116682
The family doesn't really move though, their home is still on the reef.

>>217116682
yeah, they really should've ditched the water tribe, the first half of the movie was by far the most interesting.

>>217109818
Getting beat by a furry movie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_in_film#Highest-grossing_films

New thread:

>>217116720
>>217116720
>>217116720

>>217116517
>>217116456
>>217116445
You nerds are over thinking it
Quaritch and Lye got brought back because fans liked them
Stephen lang is too old to play his part so he gets a cgi body thats it stop overcomplicating it
Its a plot contrivience jimbo immediatly threw away same as T2

>>217116742
You must be a real hit with the ladies

>>217116682
Oh yeah, it's basically a remake of A2 in parts. We also get repeating whale councils where they explain their pacifism and disown Payakan.

Some people try to defend this as "it's poetry, it rhymes". Like how when Quarritch talks to Spider in a glass box cell for the second time, his message is reversed or whatever. Still, these movies are heavy on the repetition. Even within themselves (endless kidnapping etc.)

>>217116763
>ladies
I don't appreciate your sexist language!

>>217116763
how did you know?

>>217116769
>We also get repeating whale councils where they explain their pacifism and disown Payakan.
But there were no whale councils in Way of Water, just Tonowari explaining that shit

>>217116725
Hell no, the entire second film was about them securing their new home there. Pandora is a living place with places and people that have continuous impact on the story, not a theme park to go from one attraction to the next. There was a solid 1.5 hours of F&A that does not take place near the reef. But of course they have to return home every now and then.

>>217116682
People expect these movies to be like Star Wars and base each movie around a new, completely different group of "planets" (Pandoran environments/na'vi clans) instead of following this one family as events unfold. Like the water clan and tulkun were not just going to disappear and never be seen again like Yavin or Hoth
>family moves
They didn't move
>Neyrtiri doesn't like Spider
This was introduced in the last movie and resolved in this one
>Jake still a shitty dad and has no character
Yeah, he's not a good dad but he showed a ton of character. Pushing Neytiri on her racism, his arc with Spider, his struggle to forgive Lo'ak for Neteyam's death, his pseudo truce with Quaritch
>Loak still a fuckup ignoring orders
>Spider gets captured then freed
>whales get hunted
>Tuk gets taken hostage by Quaritch
>big fight on boat at the end
I agree with these

>>217110104
You're asserting a particular metaphysical theory of a sci-fi concept, not an established fact.

>>217116682
It was more of a conclosure of the open threads from the last movie
The whale wasn’t accepted by the council and this time it was a huge army of whales
Most of the family concluded their arcs open from. The previous movie
Kiri got a proper connection with Einwa instead of a bootleg one
Spider and Quatrich settled the score
Quatrich is going in a similar arc to jake, but in a different and darker direction
This time it seems humans got a huge and burning defeat (main leader seems to have been KIA, main airship destroyed, gorillions of casualties and damages and even their city got invaded and damaged) instead of just a minor interruption of business .

>>217117448
It follows pretty clearly from the fact they could have made a quaritch clone while he was still alive, they just didn't. They'd be two different people It's also not only a scifi concept since we have these things called identical twins that ARE biological clones. And they're different people.

>>217117512
but here specifically the mind is copied exactly, you're ignoring that

>>217117756
It's going to start diverging instantly

>>217116682
The first sequel turned into two parts. Disney wasn't into it and I agree. Seriously fuck Cameron for taking too long, we won't probably ever see avatar 4 and 5 now but if we're lucky, it will be in 6 years. fuck that