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>>217236066
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star trek sex with shran
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lowk I miss Lower Decks
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I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND WHAT DO I SEE
A TROON SHILLING NON-STOP FOR ACK-ADEMY
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>>217253903
How would you solve this dilemma?
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SO!

Should a GOOD new Star Trek series focus on exploration like TOS and TNG, or try something different, like DS9 and Voyager did?

Focus on episodic storytelling, or one season built around a single arc?

Should it be yet another prequel, or is it time to finally push the timeline slightly forward?

And how much action should it feature? Remember, Kirk fought a lot, but Picard did not
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>>217253970
I wouldn't. I'd listen, and that's what no one did.
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>>217254002
neelix deserves to be in constant pain and agony for all eternity
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>>217253893
>even /co/ doesn't give a shit about it
Kinda embarrassing for you desi
>>>/co/152061365
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>>217253992
I have a pretty good idea of what I'd do, and I've posted about it before, but honestly it's a waste of energy to devote any more thought to it. There'll never be any more good Star Trek produced in our lifetimes, or possibly ever.
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Aquiel Uhnari
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>>217254059
>beanmouth lesbian trash
I'll remember that, that's a good one
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>>217253849
It happened again. I watched a kino episode and then got said Hollywood can't produce art on this level anymore.
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>>217253893
Academy might bring back some of the LD dynamic.
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>>217253849
Good Morning Crewman!
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>>217254182
I know literally nothing about Academy, is it related to the books/comics at all?

>>217254059
sigh
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>>217253992
>Focus on episodic storytelling, or one season built around a single arc?
Star Trek worked best as an episodic show where anyone could catch a random episode and still have a good time. But people cried about monster of the week and now we have 10 hour incoherent movies.
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OPINION:
Star Trek Discovery, Strange New Worlds, Picard, and Starfleet Academy are all mistakes.

What should have been done:
Discovery and Strange New Worlds should have been one show. Make it 15-20 episodes - 5 for the season arc and 10-5 standalone episodes. Give it a TNG-style tone and vibe. Designed for original fans.

Picard should have been more intimate, coherent, and simple. No galaxy-ending doomsday plot. It should focus on Picard dealing with aging, guilt, Starfleet politics, and unfinished business, with smaller personal stories instead of saving the universe every season. For fans of modern ''''''prestige'''' series.

Starfleet Academy should be set during the DS9 era or the TOS era, during a war against Klingons or Romulans, not some random future timeline nobody cares about. Make it CW/Netlfix tier to ponder to young audience but make it less dumb

Lower Decks is good, but it would be better if it didn’t try so hard to copy the Harley Quinn humour
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New Star Trek; Starfleet Academy clip. At timestamp 4:30 of this interview:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m10h2w1G9eQ

Your new Canon Lore: The Starfleet Academy mascot.
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How are promotions doled out? Some of these names should've been more senior by the 31st century.
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>>217254059
>Am i the only one who misses this show?
Narrator Voice: "He was the only one"
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>>217254359
do you think the people making this show gave a flying fuck?
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>>217253992
I think the plot doesnt matter as much as the writing/directing. Strange New Worlds has decent writing and I would be more interested in it but the direction is awful and dizzying at times to watch.

I either want to see an addition that pushes the timeline forward or runs parallel to another series (like TNG and DS9 kinda sorta not really) but adds to the lore and worldbuilding in a decent way. Im getting prequel fatigue

>>217254286
I agree on this, sci-fi in general works best with a more episodic approach, if you can't get a little silly with your monster of the week stuff then it's not gonna be a fun watch.
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>>217254335
OPINION-
Having multiple different series for different audiences set in the Star Trek universe is fine.
The CW has made Netflix billions. Netflix got popular by streaming CW shows like Riverdale, The Vampire Diaries, and Supernatural, then copied the formula with Wednesday and Stranger Things (just with a much bigger budget), and now Paramount wants the same audience.

Still, that shit looks bad.
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>>217254059
>>217254370
/co/ only cares about childrens cartoons and busty drawings of girls from childrens cartoons. Wrong board to post lds
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>me the last two days listening to Star Trek Sex with Shran
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>Alexander Hilary Kurtzman (born September 7, 1973) is an American filmmaker. He is best known for co-writing the scripts to Transformers (2007), Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009), Star Trek (2009), Star Trek Into Darkness (2013), and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) with his writing and producing partner Roberto Orci, and directing and co-writing The Mummy (2017). He made his directorial debut with People Like Us (2012), co-written alongside Orci and Jody Lambert.

Jesus wept
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>>217254059
An anon who's a real Lower Decker did a count of LOW posts over there, and in a new episode week could get over 6000 posts. Probably significantly more, because he did search for all possible keywords.

That's positive engagement.
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Apparently, in Starfleet Academy, the captain, Holly Hunter, tells Paul Giamatti to "Blow it out your ass!" in one of the show's marquee moments.

These people have never watched Star Trek.
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First of all, we live rent free in his head.
Secondly - 'you don't know me'
Bitch please, people can tell a lot about a person from his work.
From LOTR it’s obvious Tolkien was Catholic, had a great imagination, and was a smart man who wrote a great piece of literature. He was also idealistic but critical of mankind (very Catholic).
From Star Trek you can see that Roddenberry was progressive and idealistic.
From his work, we can see that Kurtzman is uncreative, unimaginative, arrogant, and incompetent.
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>>217254329
>Lower Decks is good
See that's where I stopped taking you seriously.
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>>217254557
rate it out of ten
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>>217254523
Yeah tbf animation fans tend to move on pretty quick. The show isnt bad just because anons on a diff board dgaf anymore
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>>217254541
Nutrek dialogue is awful in general. When Picard was threatening someone, he'd do it with gravitas. Like "You may test that assumption at your own peril, Mr. [Name]".
But Nutrek Captains all talk like, "Hey jackass, fuck around and find out!" Like middle school boys on Xbox Live.
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>>217254579
>Yeah tbf animation fans tend to move on pretty quick
Let me translate that for you
>retards with the mental acumen and attention spans of small children tend to move on pretty quickly
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>>217253970
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>>217254578
-5
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>>217254329
unsettling
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>>217254601
this world is gay and retarded
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The episode titles for the first part of Star Trek: Starfleet Academy are out. S01E04 is the Klingon deep cut. S01E05 is the SAM Tawny opus that's getting rave reviews.
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>>217254403
Problem with comparing star trek series to netflix is that it's significantly easier to draw new viewers into a show that's not based off of a pre-existing IP. Most trek shows have a fanbase comprised of people who were already star trek fans, and with how big the franchise is, it may seem daunting for someone new to want to get into
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>>217254601
The new approach in writing is geared towards relevancy.
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>>217254442
He is a fucking retard and after turning star trek into an ugly dystopian garage pile like the country it's made in, and I will not dignify any more of his bullshit with consideration.

The time of thoughtful, literate americans capable of careful consideration of complex ideas is apparently over. The only real tragedy is that the BBC was convinced to emulate marvel action shlock with Dr Who as well, so now Star Trek and Who are just dark dreary gender studies dropouts in between mindless action filler.

They couldn't just produce trash, they had to take a good thing and turn it into trash. Fuck em.
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>>217254679
Then why is it so irrelevant?
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>>217254606
Animated shows thrive on having an active online fandom and a lot of people jump ship on ending shows and find a new one to latch onto and goon to.

I love animated stuff but I can't keep up with fandoms anymore
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>>217254069
I hate Neelix so much it's driving me INSAAAAANNNNNEEEE!!!!! WHY DIDNT ANYONE SKIN THAT LITTLE RAT?!
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>>217254359
Oh cool McCoy is an adrmiral now
Ships doctor to Admiral of the fleet
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>>217254715
Disney told the BBC to "Marvelize" Doctor Who if they wanted to keep getting funding. Once they saw how hard that ended up being, they pulled out. Disney also started the trend of every show and movie being some 30 year old woman's therapy session, instead of a story that made you feel good after watching it.
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>>217254381
I agree with you on SNW, actually. I didn't hate the stories I saw (granted I haven't seen the whole series) but how they are shot and lit makes me feel sick. It seemed to me like a decent enough show.
I tried lower decks, not my thing. Seemed mostly to be about I MADE THE REFERENCE and is dildos. Picard seemed like a continuation of movie Picard and not Tng Picard. and I couldn't make it past the first few episodes of discovery, I wore out my bell and had to get a new one.
But SNW, if shot by a competent crew, I think could be salvaged to right under Voyager and Enterprise. It's not my favorite but I don't hate it either.
Is Prodigy worth a go? I wasn't aware of it until recently.
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>>217254818
I wanted to make a fanedit of Voyager without neelix and his bullshit in it, but then once I eliminated him, I also couldn't resist eliminating all the other terrible characters, the dopey fucker tom paris, bumbling retard harry kim, the utterly unwatchable bitch B'lanaaa that ruins every scene she's in, and 3/4 of Janeways cold impersonal boring claptrap.

Eventually there wasn't enough left to make a show out of.
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>>217254831
Providing once again DS9 simps haven't a clue about Trek outside that series:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vCe6d6F-Hdo
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>>217254523
What happened, anon? Why did it fall off so hard after S2? Tell me, explain it to me. You seem to have an answer to everything.
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>>217254670
Are series the opposite of movies?
meaning - for movies, using a big IP makes it easier to make money, but for TV series it actually makes it harder?
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>>217254658
This looks really good.
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>>217254971
...for me to poop on!
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just finished my first rewatch of TOS season one

what did i think of it?
devil in the dark best episode
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I love that people get mad at me for watching actual good sci-fi cartoons instead of Lower Decks fucking garbage.
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Sorry, meant to post an actual good Japanese cartoon
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>>217255037
Your picture shows are considered non-topical to the general and anons are disappointed in the lack of recent pics. Star Trek is about personal loyalty.
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Another new SFA clip. The Doctor is in:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KZozc3tgAPM
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>>217255088
go back there
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>>217255062
>disappointed in the lack of recent pics
You are retarded and homosexual.
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>>217254619
To be explicit, I like the series separate from the humor. I disliked pretty much every single joke
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>>217255010
Star Trek kinda peaked with TOS season one in terms of memorable episodes and iconic moments. City on the Edge of Forever is a high point of 20th century television. But the good news is apparently SFA episode 4 tops it according to critics.
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>>217255117
>according to critics
May I see where the critics said that?
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>>217255150
Someone posted a screenshot of a review yesterday saying episode 4 is the greatest piece of Star Trek media ever.
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>>217254855
Lower Decks has its moments, i think they do some funny bits here and there, but yeah, they do reference older stuff quite a bit and it can be a little annoying at times. I’m rewatching it rn with my sister who has never seen any trek at all, and she very much enjoys it, and most people I’ve talked about it with seem to agree that it was a fun show. Maybe it’s not the best show of all time, but it’s a solid adult cartoon and felt like it had writers who actually enjoyed writing the show and making homages to older treks.
(LDS Glaze fest over)

SNW could be such a good trek but the direction just kills it for me, from what ive been told, it’s a popular show even with newer audiences so it has some appeal just not for me.

Prodigy is a kids show so be warned. I’ve heard mixed things, I think cgi is ugly tho so im not huge into it.
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>>217255112
This is good.
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>>217255117
Nothing in TOS even comes close to Season 3, Episode 11 of The Sopranos.
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>>217255182
>solid adult cartoon
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>>217254855
I wanted to love SNW, I really did. I even convinced myself I did and it would just get better in time and catch up to my pretty low expectations.

But you guys are right about the look & feel of the thing. As a designer I want to choke out the fucking art director that decided the ship should have a million and a half randomly shaped LED light panels all over the place, that shit is obnoxious to sit through for an hour, and if I lived on a ship with all that, I would absolutely vandalize them all the time.

But my biggest gripe is the fucking cast. Anson Mount is great, a keeper, he can do anything and I want to have his babies, great. Everyone else seems badly miscast. The fucking bridge of the flagship of the federation are... a bunch of teenagers??? Riiight. Out of the entire federation, all the sharpest smartest most capable people are a gaggle of 18-20yos that are defined by their vast and crippling personal problems and talk like schoolchildren. Ok yea sure. Same problem with Barclay in TNG. Fine you're a good engineer, starfleet can probably use you. ...but you bumbling babbling MF, you're not serving on the fucking Enterprise. Enjoy R&D at Daystrom you aspie fucks, bc this is A STARSHIP. THE PREMIERE STARSHIP. The BRIDGE OF THE PREMIERE DIPLOMATIC VESSEL is not where you put all your most fragile spring daffodils that need constant hand holding. Even making Pike talk like a teenage valley girl occasionally was just character suicide.

Kurtzman proved he has no business being in charge of any of this. He doesn't understand what made star trek work, he understands dick about dick. And fucking calling the monster of the week the Gorn... what the ever loving fuck
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>>217255116
This is a valid take, some people just have different tastes in humor. Comedy isn’t always a one size fits all situation. I think the lower decks had a good mix of plot and humor.

>>217254951
You sound like a netflix exec getting ready to tell me my shows getting canned. Who gaf about metrics. You can like something even if its unpopular. This is like saying Hazbin Hotel is peak cinema because it gets 500+ posts a day.
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>>217255207
Both TOS and Sopranos are in my top 5.

Now, enough with the fuckin' scenarios.
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Trek made the list twice. City and Inner Light:

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-lists/best-tv-episodes-of-all-time-1235090945/the-good-place-michaels-gambit-season-1-episode-13-1235091140/

Inner Light is so overrated.
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>>217255267
>You can like something even if its unpopular
You were claiming that the show was super popular. You've made this an argument about popularity, so answer questions about popularity instead of moving goalposts.
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>>217255238
I’ve watched so many cartoons, theres some reaaal stinkers out there and they make lower decks look like the breaking bad of cartoons.
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>>217254934
Pepperidge farm remembers
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>>217255277
My Top 5?
Rome
The Sopranos
Mad Men
Twin Peaks
DS9

True Blood Seasons 1-3 gets mentioned.
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>>217255289
Different anon sorry
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>>217255260
What's with all these pastas?
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>>217255325
Surprisingly respectable, BF

Twilight Zone
Sopranos
Deadwood
TOS
Mad Men
(cont'd)
Three Kingdoms (2010)
DS9
The Wire
Legend of the Galactic Heroes
TNG
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>>217254159
Why doesn't Odo just rape Kira in the form of Sisko. Or rape Quark in the form of Sisko. Or rape Sisko.
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>>217255343
Dictated but not read mafuckas
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>>217255343
A lot of dago wops in the thread.
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>>217255062
>Star Trek is about personal loyalty.
I thought Star Trek was about personal truths.
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>>217255381
>Three Kingdoms (2010)
Bruh, just play DW6.
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>>217255431
Why not both
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>>217255383
Why doesn't Odo just rape Kira in the form of a room with walls made of hard cocks, so the only way out is... making all the cocks squirt.

Shapeshifter sex could literally fill you with fuckmeat in every anatomical way possible, ways no other being could. Kira is so fucking stupid. I'll bet she realized that when it was too late and she lost her chance after Odo went on to the freaky protoplasmic goo orgy in the sea.
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>>217255112
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>>217255393
Out of nowhere, anon brings italians into the crosshairs

well, ok then
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>>217255343
we call it discussion. maybe you call it "engagement". maybe you're here to autistically post the same thing you do every thread, like you're trying to force a meme. maybe we're all just trying to connect to something.
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>>217255483
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Alright Guys, watching TNG S4 E14: "Clues"

wish me luck.
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>>217255537
I am glad him and Matt Perry are dead and they can't see how bad Fallout Season 2 is.
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>>217255536
I prefer the term traffic.
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>>217255581
Kino
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5 days until Academy.
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>>217255536
I'm just bored and happy to pile my righteous derision upon someone elses royal fuckup instead of my own for a change.

I mean I may be a fuckup, but I never got handed something as easy a producing a fucking established show like star trek with a 50 year solid template of what it is, and a dedicated global fan base ready to eat it up, and then made it absolutely suck, then another one absolutely suck, then a third one, and then a fourth one.

I mean, in any other business, you'd get halfway through fucking up the first project and get your ass fired. Somehow the studio has so little idea of what to do with Star Trek, they just think, yeah, that guy that keeps making Star Treks that everybody complains about and that we have to keep cancelling, I guess he's the guy, the ONLY guy in the world, that should be in charge of making star treks, lets give him a few hundred million more dollars.

Christ on a bike, ST is worth watching just to see how bad it can get, like USA.
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>>217255618
Yes but it's low quality traffic. Your traffic is ass.
Asstraffic.
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>>217255759
STA has been receiving very good reviews, anon.
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>>217255828
>STA has been receiving very good reviews
We've been going through the same routine since 2017. NuTrek comes out, reviews are great, the show is trash. It's beyond me how SPIC S2 is certified fresh on RT.
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>>217255581
>Paramount in 1990: Watch us make a great episode only using stock sets and actors!
>Paramount in 2026: Whoops, we went overbudget again putting set pieces and CGI backgrounds in every episode. Gotta raise subscription fees again!
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>>217255945
Carpetry is at the heart of trek.
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The reviews for Star Trek Academy are outstanding
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>>217255877
What is it about nutrek that makes it unanimously bad? What does it forgo that immediately ruins it for you? Someone earlier argued that the dialogue can be cringey at points, which is true, but even DS9 had some god awful dialogue at times (rewatch the first two episodes of the show, the acting is like if it was all AI generated). Im just curious what about newer shows is turning away fans of the older shows

>>217255963
This is an argument i can get behind for it ig, we need less CGI in modern tv in general. It’s all just a pissing contest between networks to see who can make their shows look cooler
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>>217256031
>What is it about nutrek that makes it unanimously bad?
Complete lack of intelligence.
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>>217256062
Example?

>>217256017
I hope its as good as they’re saying then. The trailers were awfully edited
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>>217256031
>Im just curious what about newer shows is turning away fans of the older shows
It is just souless. You can tell when somebody has a vision and a story they want to tell vs a bunch of out of touch shareholders with a whiteboard trying to make a profit.
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>>217256017
It's looking really good.
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>>217256031
>It’s all just a pissing contest between networks to see who can make their shows look cooler
TV shows are competing with phones and video games for attention. They need to be flashy in the attention economy.
Also a lot of actors can't carry a whole episode anymore. You're lucky if actors can remember their lines when cameras start rolling. TNG writers knew they could rely on Stewart and Spiner when they needed to get an episode out quickly and cheaply.
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>>217256031
>What is it about nutrek that makes it unanimously bad?
That's a long story but they want you dead.
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>>217256031
I... ok, do I have to take the time to make a list? It's been said over and over in every thread on here, it's in every discussion board & youtube fan review video on these shows.

They don't look like star trek, they don't act like star trek officers, they don't talk like star trek, they don't dress like star trek, they're not on ships that look like star trek, they don't behave like they're in star trek, the ships & weapons don't work like star trek, the episode plots & arcs aren't done like star trek & don't work like star trek, and the entire mood of these shows is pessimistic, dark, violent and terrible, unlike star trek.

This shit isn't star trek, they just made another miserable dystopian show and called it star trek. And then when everybody hated it, responded by making 5 more shows with the same problems.
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>>217256153
Is paramount launching a missile to my couch rn?

>>217256125
SNW feels souless to me, but other shows have some heart behind them methinks. Unfortunately you can’t pitch a tv show anymore without giving it some sort of appeal to execs who can only think about one-upping stranger things.

>>217256151
I’ve worked with actors for both cable tv and streaming, the whole vibe is different. Nobody is in a rush anymore. There’s a lot of actors who get cast because they’re hot and can sorta cry on command, the good actors arent marketable enough to cast anymore.

>>217256193
I see your point, the greyness of starfleet academy’s trailer is making me more depressed than a midwest winter. I think no show will ever “feel” like old star trek, though. The writers of old star trek arent writing these new shows, and instead it’s (in the best case-scenario) the fans of those old shows trying to write new treks for modern audiences and execs.

Unfortunately, the monster of the week type of shows no longer works for audiences in 2026, hasn’t worked since 2015. People (speaking generally) like longer, slower shows with bigger plots and drama. Which unfortunately isn’t something every screenwriter can write. Acting and TV as a whole has changed a lot and this is how trek is adapting to try and fit it. It’s not working for marvel or any other older franchise either, but nobody wants to tell the execs that. As someone who works in TV, it sucks.
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>>217253992
exploring - the 'something different' can be 'competent adults' and 'white man not evil'
episodic
idk what you'd consider a prequel at this point
preferably between tng and tos - we need thinkers, not more flashy CGI
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>>217253970
False dichotomy, letting Tuvix live doesn't kill Neelix and Tuvok
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>>217256085
>Example?
No one talks in an intelligent manner.
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>An anon who's a real Lower Decker did a count of LOW posts over there, and in a new episode week could get over 6000 posts. Probably significantly more, because he did search for all possible keywords.
>That's positive engagement.
Source: I made it up
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>>217255759
>Somehow
Don't mean to pick on you, anon, but people persist in assuming (a) their highest priority is turning a profit, and (b) they're honestly trying to entertain and are just incompetent. While nevertheless sensing this doesn't quite square with reality. Because incompetence is one thing; pumping out (and being permitted to pump out) aggressively destructive, divisive, infantile SHITE for YEARS - with no end in sight! - is quite another.

It's jews, man. I'm sorry, but it's the jews. Star Trek is just another tool that's been harnessed for something other than its stated purpose. And losing money (if they are) isn't a concern when you control it.
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>>217256443
The data is real. What anon left out is that engagement cratered after S2. I'm still waiting for someone to explain why. Did they kill off a character or what? Did a character take a steaming dump on screen?
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>>217256366
Heres what to blame: social media and internet slang bleeding into our real lives. Nobody irl speaks like Picard unfortunately. What i hate more is when networks want the dialogue to essentially narrate what is happening on screen. Happened a lot in TOS, and it happens a lot in nutrek because networks literally want that. Mike Mcmahan mentioned once that CBS wanted more of that narration in the dialogue and it was for “people who are only half-watching” which he supposedly argued that we’re past cable tv, meaning someone would have to consciously turn on their tv, choose a show, then consciously choose not to watch it. Network execs think all audiences are brain dead, essentially.

When i was in school for writing, a huge thing that was pushed to us was to not assume that our audiences are stupid, and allow them to draw conclusions based on subtext in dialogue. Networks want the opposite which makes all new dialogue very basic sounding and uninteresting.
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>my top 5 is HBOslop
BOOOOOOOORING
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>>217256505
It’s just normal for that to happen. People like shiny new things and once a show gets past the shiny new season one, people lose interest. Also, the swap from CBS all access to Paramount+ likely meant the show got less ad reach. It’s rare that a show grows their audience with each season in the era of streaming, it’s even more rare that a show can maintain their whole audience the entire time. The quality of LDS didn’t take any dip from season one to season two in my opinion.
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>>217256556
>The quality of LDS didn’t take any dip from season one to season two in my opinion
The drop happened after S2. According to that data, S2 actually had higher discussion volume per episode, especially near the end.
So I open the question to thread: what happened in LD S2 that turned off most of /co/?
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>>217255088
>The Doctor is in:
a pile of shit
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Do you guys watch good sci-fi cartoons or just cringe adult comedy crap made for Reddit?
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>>217255267
hazbin hotel is better than lower decks because it never pretends to be something it's not
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>>217256512
>Nobody irl speaks like Picard unfortunately.
That's because the average American reads at a 6th grade level. And this is declining along with general IQ. People who speak like Picard get bullied at school and work. I don't blame studio execs for wanting characters to meet the audience at their level.
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>>217256586
A new star trek show began in 2022, right before season 3 aired. That likely caused a bit of a dip in interactions. Otherwise i’m not really sure. Nobody died on screen iirc, and the finale for season 2 was not bad. The reviews by episode stay pretty stable throughout the whole series, so it could just be an audience retention thing.
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Discovery was actually good.
I just finished it.

Only shit season was the red angel bullshit. The season finales always sucked and the plot devices were ridiculous but whatever.
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it's warm feces but why?
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>>217256085
>Example?
nutrek
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>>217256681
I don't think that's the whole story.
>>217256656
Hazbin Hotel embraces the cringe. It's painfully earnest, Lower Decks never is. There's not a single sincere line of dialogue in that show.
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>>217256663
This is true. My brain is rotting and i can tell when i speak lmao. I like the dramatic formal english, but it definitely feels stiff at times. Nowadays actors just talk very quietly and pretend that it makes everything feel more dramatic.

>>217256656
Hazbin Hotel pretends to be a good show
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>>217256327
ai generated post
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>>217256747
>Hazbin Hotel pretends to be a good show
Hazbin Hotel doens't pretend to be anything. It's autistic OC musical shit. I do agree it's a league or two above Lower Drecks
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>>217256742
Then i don’t know what the whole story you want is. Truthfully, lds was a mid show (avg 6.4-7.2 on imdb per episode) that only got high(er) ratings on the finale episodes. Nobody expected it to be an insanely well written monumental series, and it wasn’t. The quality stayed the same throughout, so its just the ebb and flow of audiences that led to 4chan not talking about it as much.
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>>217256505
>I'm still waiting for someone to explain why
because the show fucking sucks
consoomers watch the first season and realize it's shit, but hey, maybe season two is better, so they watch that and it's still shit, so they drop it
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Engagement is way up, just look at this thread.
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>>217256773
?

>>217256795
And Lower Decks is a run of the mill adult comedy set in the star trek timeline. They both fill their niche.
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>>217256663
>That's because the average American reads at a 6th grade level.

Is it better in UK? France? Italy? Germany? Japan? Korea? China?
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>>217256747
>Hazbin Hotel pretends to be a good show
That's the one thing it never does
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>I'm trolling and people are responding to my bait, just look at this thread.
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>>217256843
>They both fill their niche
Poor choice of words. Hazbin Hotel absolutely stumps Drecks.
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BLT
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>>217256846
Probably.
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At least watch the first episode. How can you judge what you haven't even seen?
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>>217256969
Of what? Oh you idiots still arguing about lower decks? It's background noise to me at work when I tried watching it. It's mid as hell.
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>>217256969
At least try shit before you say eating poop is gross!
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>*takes a dump on the plate right in front of you*
>dude try it cmon how do you know you dont like eating poop give it a chance
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>>217256846
Probably countries getting overrun with double digit IQ third worlders are suffering the highest IQ drops. Closed border countries like Japan and China do not have to worry about this. Chinese mothers beat their kids for not being able to do math in their sleep.
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>Don't ask questions just kill shit
Did he really think this was going to work?
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>>217256688
Is it bad that I want to have baby making sec with Michael Burnham?
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>>217257066
>sec
You're selling yourself short, anon
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>>217257043
It worked on Worf
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>>217257093
It's ok. I couldn't satisfy a powerful black woman like her anyway.
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>>217253992
I dont give a fuck what they base it on, but i want as few splosions as possible, the lights turned fucking ON, and no more stupid HUD like computery wiz bang displays. All that 'sci fi' shit anoys the piss out of me. Once they stop all that ADD shit they might concentrate on the stories a bit more then we'll be fine.
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>>217257250
Not really
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>>217256969
The Onlyfans of the media Rage Farmers only feel hate. Then they're outraged a media franchise built on diversity and acceptance ignores them.
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>>217257336
It's amazing how much nutrek has been what out and they just keep going regardless of viewership or cost.
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>>217257378
>ignores them
It seems like audiences have been returning that sentiment
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>>217254286
Problem with monster of the week is they put all the major plot garbage at the end and start of a season.
The reality is with streaming, you have to have some semblance of a coherent story.
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TO BOLDLY GO....into a high-school
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>>217257378
Sadly, hate can be a very powerful driver.
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>>217257409
If SNW really averaged 20,000 viewers like RLM claims, but still broke the top ten streaming originals, what does that say about the state of television?
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>>217257444
>but still broke the top ten streaming originals
Can you name more than ten streaming only shows getting new episodes at the same time?
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>>217257409
SNW over S02 and S03 had 18 new episode weeks' with a total of ten weeks on the Nielsen Top 10.

Nuff said.
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I know someone who is actually hype for Academy. How bad is it going to be?
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>>217257483
>had
Past tense. People moved on from NuTrek, I'm afraid. I'm guessing ACKademy will break some new records... the least watched Star Trek show ever?
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>>217257493
>someone who is actually hype for Academy
Are they trans?
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>>217256663
>People who speak like Picard get bullied at school and work.
Good. Know your place, nerd.
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>>217257409
I will say this again. Time warp Discovery is better than SNW. I can't stand the last season of snw
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>>217257528
>Discovery is better than SNW
They're the same show. I can't tell the difference between them.
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>>217257540
One is black and beautiful. The other isn't. Simple as.
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>It's not what Star Trek is, it's what it could be, with new management in charge. Like (You), and (You), and me.
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>>217257493
It looks like it might be so bad it becomes funny, which is the best we can hope for.
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>>217257516
No it's my mom. She's hoping the sarcastic background character tech in STD is going to make it watchable. I told her it probably won't.
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>>217257493
Doomcock is not optimistic about it.
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>>217257043
>Don't ask questions just watch shit
It's working right now in this very thread
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>>217255112
Have you considered my 10k offer for a livestream with toys?
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>>217256505
For me, it was the season 2 opener which had a Tamarian quipping like the rest of them, with blatant disregard for the source material. That was my final straw.
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Can we make a stealth thread about trek on another board where we don't have to deal with a discord raid of shillbots
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>>217257727
Best you can hope for is a trek discussion on /v/.
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Star Shran Sex with Tran
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>>217256598
I love terrible sci-fi cartoons.
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>>217257727
>>>/tg/
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>>217257727
>people are talking about nutrek in the designated shitting general? OMG I'm going insane!!!
What the fuck else will you talk about?
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>>217257862
>What the fuck else will you talk about?
star trek sex with shran
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>>217257656
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>>217257876
fuck that, for me its weyoun gangbang with like 5 of them haha
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>>217257725
Without having seen it, I might assume the implication was that the universal translators can understand them now.
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>>217257435
>The reality is with streaming, you have to have some semblance of a coherent story.
No you don't. According to the execs, nobody's actually even watching it. They're on their phones.
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>>217257468
No, cause I don't care about viewership metrics, I care if a show is good for to watching of the eyeball time.
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>>217257901
Partially. Talk regular, unless funny reference. which makes no sense. it's not even consistent
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>>217257862
i like talking about star trek in the star trek general
every other post being a fucking advertisement for focus group numale slop is annoying
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>>217256688
How did you get through it without throwing up?
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>>217258063
It took awhile to get use to it, but Lorca kept me watching. I almost lost it when they removed him from the show and brought back crouching tiger lady. Once they went into the future, the show seemed to get an idea of what it was. The endings all sucked like I said though. You just memory hole all the insane retarded shit and pretend characters like in your pic don't exist.
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>>217258063
he gargles cocks
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>>217258137
I'm not gay. I just thought Michael Burnham and Cleveland Booker were charismatic enough couple to carry the show to the end.
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>>217254230
>one down suspect had a weapon we need medics on site
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>>217258175
one's a wooden plank and the other is a magical negro
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>>217257894
you dont have the guts to talk about that
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>>217258264
Magical negros are the best kind of negros thougheverbeit
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>>217258264
I regret asking but which one is which
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>>217258392
Book is the magical negro, but the shit Michael pulls off is also magical...
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>>217258392
It's a trick question, those descriptors apply to both of them.
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>>217258392
The booker guy is basically Dr. Dolittle with his empath powers. I'm assuming that's the magical negro.
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>>217258264
>wooden plank
BUUUUUK
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>>217253688
Enough of your disrespect. Here is a corrected image.
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>>217254554
>complains about someone who actually makes an effort
From your lack of work, we know you're uncreative, unimaginative, lazy, and incompetent, and are not qualified to criticize anyone.
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>>217259672
You're not qualified to suck my cock
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>>217256512
>When i was in school for writing
What sort of grades did you get for your stone-chiseling prerequisites, grandpa?
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he de most, de most sexy man
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>>217256598
No matter how much you try to push it, no one will ever give a shit about your weeb Japanese crap. Anime is cringe, boring, wooden, and animated very badly.
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there's only 2 animes I care about
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>>217253849
Lower Decks is more entertaining than Enterprise
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>>217257727
You really can't stand to lose control, can you. You literally melt down when confronted by different opinions. OMG, 4chan is your hugbox, isn't it? That's cringe on so, so many levels.
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>>217260079
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>>217253688
Enough of your disrespect. Here is a corrected image.
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>saying anine sucks in a thread where people defend Lower Decks
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>>217260221
Unlike anime, Lower Decks is animated faster than 2 frames per second, and doesn't have lots of repeated stock footage.
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>>217259974
Star Trek: Lower Decks was a Canon love letter SWAK:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zXsLeBuyNNw

"Part 1"

And helped Trek actors keep their SAG insurance.
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>>217260289
>pretending that flash animated Titmouse slop where every character has a copy pasted body/face and their arms flail around like wacky arm-flailing inflatable tube men is good animation
I would take the most foul moeslop anime shit over the absolute sewage that you consume, anon.
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>>217260220
there were 7 cats... you forgot Bill
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>>217260329
You're moving the goalposts. Even with your most seething critique of Titmouse animation, it's still heads and tails over anime slop.
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>>217260322
>And helped Trek actors keep their SAG insurance.
That's cute and all but aren't they all on Medicare by this point?
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>>217259935
Sex on de beach? Only with shran
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>>217260329
>moeslop anime
nyuk nyuk
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>>217260520
You will never be blessed like I was watching Lucky Star as it aired.
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>1hr ago
>bootyblasted shitposting starts like clockwork
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>>217260583
>You will never be blessed like I was watching Lucky Star as it aired.
It aired all the time on heavy rotation. The fuck you talking about?
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>>217260825
Imagine watching American cartoons intended for small children and being old enough to reference this
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>>217260711
>1hr ago
>like clockwork
So you're saying it always starts an hour ago, like clockwork?
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>>217260849
>Imagine watching American cartoons intended for small children and being old enough to reference this
Imagine not watching television with your own children and letting them get influenced without your input.
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>>217260913
Normal behavior
>watching cartoons with your children and laughing at the silly crap they watch, not even paying attention or taking it at all seriously
Pedophile behavior
>making up children so you can justify the American cartoons you watch with such obsessive focus that you become sexually attractive to the poorly drawn characters

Learn the difference!
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>>217260913
Haha yeah totally normal to watch cartoons with your kids and then get online and obsessively post about those cartoon characters online for 8 hours straight every day haha good one my fellow mature gentleman
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>>217260957
>doesn't even have kids
>will never have sex
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>>217261026
the only one I'm obsessed with is bandit
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>>217260957
Wait... how does one become sexually attractive to cartoon characters? That would imply cartoon characters are sentient.
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I was told I would change my mind about wanting kids one day and then developed a blood clot in my neck from too much birth control.
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>he thinks sentience is necessary
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>that time I had a 36% chance of a pulmonary elmbolism before the age of 35
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>>217261205
you better not smoke then
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>>217260957
i stg that looneytroon's grift gets more unbelievable over time
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>>217261371
not if you separate out the facts from your delirious, seething imagination
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>>217261139
How would condoms, or a vasectomy, lead to blood clots? Those are the only birth control methods available to biological men.
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>projection
yawn
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>>217261600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duk49KeesLw
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Anyone reading the latest star trek comics? It's absolute trash.

It's the Voyager comic where Voyager returns to earth but then gets attacked by Species 8472 and has to hide in fluidic space. I read the issues.

They turned Seven of Nine into a cheating lesbian wh0re who cheats on Chakotay.

They come across a few dozen Borg survivors hiding in Fluidic space. One of the female Borg survivors randomly startd flirting with Seven of Nine in the middle of the battle. Just a couple sentences of flirting. Then Seven of Nine *immediately* accepts and begins cheating on Chakotay.

WTF

WTF is this?

When asked about this situation, Seven of Nine says, "It's complicated".

Wtf?

Yeah it's clear this writer has no respect for the characters or the actual writing of the show. Seven of Nine is some easy woman who cheats on their partner.

A random Borg woman randomly flirts with Seven of Nine in the middle of battle, and Seven immediately accepts?

Terrible writing.
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>>217261429
>How would condoms [...] lead to blood clots?
The tourniquet effect of me wearing a condom sized for (You).
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>>217262046
Who hurt you, anon?
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>>217262114
Your mom and her huge gaping vagina.
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>>217262165
But she was quite petite with most exquisite feet
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>>217262165
So you've been near a vagina?
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>>217262281
More than that friend.
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>>217262298
I wasn't talking to you.
>>217262165
So Bashirfaggot has been near a vagina?
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>>217262046
westerners lost the ability to write
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This general is a real downer. I guess that's what happens when you cling on to a dead franchise that has been dead for decades.
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>>217262566
Then find something to get excited about!
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>>217253849
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Whenever I get to the register the millennials stare at me with this stupid zoomed out look and do not greet me properly
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>>217262486
More like they've shut out the ones who can.
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>>217262701
You must visit only discount stores.
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>>217262566
Make the franchise live again for you!
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>live
Unlike the LD general on /co/
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new /trek/ thread when? i live in mortal fear of a nutrek-themed thread. i hate them so much that if one happens, i'll have a sperg-out meltie, posting lots of competing generals that inevitably get deleted for being spam, then bleat 'NOW look what you made me do!' like a completely normal, balanced, and rational person.
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>>217262897
All the more reason we should discuss LD here! Thanks for agreeing with me. I love when we achieve consensus.
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>>217262940
Go on then.
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>>217262940
KWAB
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>>217262959
>KWAB
t. unironically watches pro wrestling
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>>217262566
"There's a new Star Trek series debuting. Time to get angry and scream."

And this is why Trekkies don't consider chuds part our Trekdom.
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>>217263012
Not him, but you're welcome to it.
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Did you say dancing.....dancing mid-evil peasant midgets captain?
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>>217253970
Separate them then transport nelix into space.
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>>217263124
>mid-evil
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>>217262897
jej
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>>217253849
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everyone play Wordle today
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>>217264454
ok
>>217264429
i
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Vote for me to replace Kurtzman as Star Trek show runner.

My platform:
>Decanonize all Alex Kurtzman-run shows.
>Stop making movies. Star Trek doesn't need movies anymore. In fact, The Undiscovered Country should have been the last one.
>Make 5 new Star Trek shows to replace the old five that were running (yes, there were five at one point):
>Star Trek: Pioneer - Inspired by Voyager passing through decades ago, some Delta Quadrant species form Delta Federation, this is basically their NX-01. Cartoon (anime). Classic Star Trek-style. Episodic.
>Star Trek: Odyssey - Starfleet time ship dealing with temporal anomalies and fixing problems caused by time travelers. Live action. Adventure thriller. Semi-episodic like DS9.
>Star Trek: Risa - Private investigator on Risa, evolves into a political conspiracy regarding foreign empires. Cartoon (Archer/Moonbeam City art style). Thriller. Serialized.
>Star Trek: Legacy - The only Star Trek show allowed to nostalgia-bait. Lower Decks crew running a ship together down the road. Also Michael Dorn as Worf is there for some reason. Live action. Comedy. Semi-episodic like DS9.
>Star Trek: All That Glitters - Ferengi comedy, basically a ship that's looking out to scam people Mudd-style. Cartoon (Lower Decks art style). Comedy. Episodic.
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>>217264454
The answer is MANIC
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>>217264674
sounds just as bad
>5 shows at once
dumbass
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>>217264692
that was yesterday's. you're living in the past
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>>217264698
Why are you so sad
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>>217264674
awful not as awful as kurtzman but still dogshit
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>>217264698
>>217264707
What's your suggestion?
Let me guess:
>Cancel all star treks and gas librals
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>>217264717
cancel all librals and gas star treks
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>>217264717
>What's your suggestion?
How about letting the IP take a break until the average writer isn't mentally ill and can write adult characters?
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>>217264717
well obviously, except I don't do politics so idk what you even mean by librals, in any case can this nu shit, then in 5 years, not 10 or 20 or w/e in 5 years, make one show its set 35 years after Voyager made it back, new crew Enterprise-J, (J just sounds better then the other letters after E) also the old cast can be the age they are in real life, transwarp has finally been cracked, the enterprise-j first of its kind the first transwarp starfleet capital ship is setting out to explore strange new worlds and new civilizations in the gamma and delta quadrants. Simple as.
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nyew
>>217264912
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i'm watching this other show and kn the town there's a "punishment box" and I can't help but wonder if they stole that from DS9
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>>217264940
from?
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>>217264956
yes...lol
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>>217264964
its not a punishment box, its certain death, but uh look we can talk about this later, I gotta go
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>>217264994
im watching this show because the threads make me laugh and I want to participate in the memes
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>>217265018
yea look this isn't the time for that just remember, its not sci-fi its magic, victor is the key to all this also fight the faeries. See you in the general. Would like to stay and chat but I've got somewhere to be we can talk about this later.
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>>217265068
we'll have to discuss this...at another time. I must be going
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>>217264994
>>217265068
>>217265098
what's the rush homeboids
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>>217264940
punishment boxes or "hotboxes" have been a thing in americana since before the civil war, as a punishment for slaves. they did not originate there, but that is most likely where most people know them from
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>>217264940
>>217264956
Isn't From a LOST clone?
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>>217264914
thanks
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Why does Thomas Riker chew out Miles? What the fuck was that piece of dialogue - Miles barely interacted with Riker outside of poker and the transporter room.
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why did they give so many lines to this little boy who is a horrible actor?
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>>217265623
You have to be mores specific.
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>>217265590
to quickly get miles to fuck off, to prevent himself from accidentally giving away that he wasn't will
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>>217253992
Mostly episodic with a small overarching plot that, over the course of the season, snowballs into a season ender 2-parter. I'd like to see a decent amount of action, actually I'd quite like a Maquis 2.0 situation, but even bigger in scope. Mirror Terran agent provocateurs create a human-first splinter group that begin taking violent action and attempting to break parts of the federation off, at least for a couple seasons. Could have a really sick cap-off final encounter where the captain and his mirror counterpart battle ship against ship, eventually shattering the mirror ship's saucer ala pic related.



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