Romulaboo editionPreviously: >>217878581
star trek sex with shran
dude, this series has been dead for 21 years. go use chatgpt if you want to talk to yourself. this isnt embarrassing its just sad.
>>217891637This guy left Romulus because of their policy on gender transition. His breasts are Constanzaesque
>>217891492WhatDo they just keep nuking all the planets for no reasonAt least I guess it was a mercy killing for the new ferengi gommies :DD
>>217891956It’s like lowest-common-denominator writing. If you reset the universe you don’t actually have to worry about keeping the interesting plot points you inherited from the previous, more talented writers
Was “bringing back” Spock in SNW the hackiest move of them all? Was this supposed to make viewer numbers explode up with interest? Or is it just a humiliation ritual to stand over you, hands on hips, and prove they control your beloved franchise
>>217892342Wait I forgot it was even earlier, holy shit I have completely mentally blocked the entire retarded Michael Burnham shit. I hate these new writers so much it’s unreal
>>217892342It's weird that they'd try to borrow elements from TOS in a series that's clearly aimed at a younger audience which wouldn't be familiar with TOS. I think the nutrek writers/producers are just clueless and they don't know what to do, so they grasp at all the straws they can see. Kirk! Spock! Pike! Enterprise! Borg! Picard! Cram it all into the blender and make a star trek smoothie that smells familiar, but tastes wrong after you have a couple sips.
>>217892398Your apathy helped this happen.
>>217892342Such a hack move. Yeh. The way they started NuTrek with DISCO. And made the show's lead character be Spock's big sister. So bad. Clearly an attempt at fanservice by hacks who don't know what the fans want or like.
>>217892398I swear I’m turning in to a full blown masochist. We are so deep in the trenches now, at this point I’m just interested in how low we can actually go. There’s a part of me that has sort of developed a fondness for being an eternally punished fan. Like I see all these discussions on twitter about the mandalorian and other slop franchises, and then they’re like>well at least we aren’t Star Trek fansLike yup that’s me, we are the benchmark. We are rock bottom. It just keeps getting worse and at this point its kind of entertaining in and of itself
>>217891637Literally watashi
>>217892410not watching this shit helped it happen? ok
>>217891637>>217891873Is that one 150yo romulan model who looks 17?
>Alexander Hilary Kurtzman (born September 7, 1973) is an American filmmaker. He is best known for co-writing the scripts to Transformers (2007), Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009), Star Trek (2009), Star Trek Into Darkness (2013), and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) with his writing and producing partner Roberto Orci, and directing and co-writing The Mummy (2017). He made his directorial debut with People Like Us (2012), co-written alongside Orci and Jody Lambert.Jesus wept
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Food for thought?
>>217892884'fans are furious'OBJECTIVELY FALSEas explained in previous threadYES! There were fans of TOS who disliked TNG. Some fans hated the fact that it features a new crew HOWEVERThe first season of TNG is widely considered a bad season of television, with plenty of real stinkers.Season two was a clear improvement, but it was season three when TNG genuinely became good.The main reason TNG survived its first two rough seasons, despite their overall quality, is precisely because the majority of Trek fans continued to support it. That support held even though there were TOS fanatics who disliked the new cast, the different tone, and the new era .By contrast, NuTrek doesn’t have that same goodwill behind it - and its low ratings reflect that.tl;dr some TOS fanatics disliked TNG, but majority of Trek fans supported it
>This nigga is earnestly responding to a decade old ritual post The gap-toothed useless eater is right about one thing: newfags lurk moar
>>217892398>hey people keep telling me I'm fucking annoying as all shit, do you think maybe that's bad?>uhhh HUMBLEFLEX I'm a boss bitch?what in the actual fuck is this interaction supposed to convey?
>>217892907Oh, so NOW they're fanatics?
I’d be bad and give porthos a few cubes of cheese, personally
>>217893015never own a dog
>>217892949you've no memory of what freshman year of college is like.
>>217893081well I wasn't born in 2010 so it wasn't anything like whatever the fuck that was
>>217891956>>217892269I was merely planting the seed.It would be funny if the Academy writers accidentally made Rom's reforms a complete failure because they didn't know that part of DS9's storyline.
>>217893081Anon, I don't care if real life modern teenagers are also retarded, I'm saying I don't even understand how what the betasoi said is supposed to be a response to pot of greed's initial statement. It's complete non sequitur, what is happening?
>>217893039Google AI:>Yes, dogs can eat a little bit of cheese, provided it is given in moderation as an occasional treat rather than a dietary staple.
>>217893329trusting AI, ngmi
>>217893329Absolute nonsense. A raw milk + meat diet is best for almost all mammals.
>>217893160The characters are displaying agency. They're doing what they want to do. It's the most important thing. Like Elliott Spencer on Leverage (picrel), played by David Ogden Hyde Stiers Pierce, who also wrote The Name of the Rose and plays in a honky-tonk band called Kane.
>>217893372this nigga bout to give a dog some cheese and create rectal nagasaki
>>217892398Never watched a whole episode of this, but if shes a hologram, where is she being emitted from? Like is there a floating orb flying around constantly projecting her...? Reminds me of the emanator from the Blade Runner sequel which i still havent gotten a clear answer on how that works.
>>217893373This dude is a retard who has never played tennis once in his life and he still boils lobsters alive do not listen to them.
>>217893467You haven't seen VOY?
>>217893490>dude, tennis has like, really interesting mathematical qualities, it's like, geometry bro>also for purely pedantic epistemological reasons we can't prove lobsters don't feel pain so that means they doi'm glad this hack smoked himself
>>217893372is this bait or are you really so fucking evil you want to torture dogs?
>>217892466there is no "we." you don't belong here.
>>217893490>This dude is a retard who has never played tennis once in his lifeWhy would he? It's a total racket.
残酷な天使のテーゼ悲しみがそしてはじまる抱きしめた命のかたちその夢に目覚めたとき誰よりも光を放つ少年よ 神話になれ
>>217893550The pain is what makes the lobsters taste so good. It's like when you beat the monkey around the head to make it angry so the brains are tastier .
The lobster is dead you donkey! And the Leola root stew? It's bloody cold and replicated!
>>217893744steal his look
>>217893784I'm already slumming it with Peruvian light roast today don't give me shit about replicated Leola!
>>217893744Bashir looking zesty
>>217894010denobulans tongue my anus from the front
>>217894338>friendliness is earnedI'm not sure they're thinking that one through
>>217894585Why didn't the Bajorians simply earn Dukat's friendliness?
>>217894627Countless races have failed to earn the friendliness of the Klingon race. It's sad that it's such an unfriendly galaxy out there for the humble Klingon Empire.
>>217894627He was an unappreciated man.
>>217891637Why do I know this guy? I read his MA wiki article, but I don't recognize any of his roles. It says he was a video game VA, but doesn't list what he did, and neither does his wikipedia entry.Does anyone know?
>>217894338I am tired of this liberal pascifist let's hug it out bullshit. I miss Benjamin "Black Panther Party" Sisko.
>>217894823Damn my spelling has become way fucking worse since the seizures lmfao goddamn.
>DISCOintruder alert
>>217894704Woah, that's pretty racist. Irish people arent that bad.
>>217892884
>>217894871Which Ireland are we talking about here?
>>217894627Because he was misuderstood hero. People like Kira can't understand, that every Bajoran woman he fucked was one Bajoran spared from death.
>>217893501have you?
>>217894871'Irish need tot apply' sign at Starfleet HQ
>>217894338>>217894627>>217894823As supported of Bajor and Narn indepdence, I support the philosophy of"Karate is for defense only, but strike hard and no mercy"
>>217894917I have. I know about the Mobile Emitter.
>>217894971So then you have 0 reason to be disingenuous and act confused. Answer the anon's question >>217893467
>>217893467We see that their commbages can project holograms, so it's not a stretch to assume it also works as her mobile emitter. Or it might be hidden somwhere inside of her, projecting her body around it.
>https://youtube.com/shorts/21h4N4MD5p0?si=GHWhRIbQGtjof3gN
>>217894934>'Irish need not apply' sign at Starfleet HQYou think the bog trolls can read. Precious.
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>>217894823Alexander Siddig is African. Born in Sudan. Would Avery Brooks give him a pass to say it? Or is it a bit iffy?
>>217894823I did not know that about Brooks. Love him even more now.
>>217895288how bout you embed deez nuts in yo mouf
>>217895317i don't think Sudanese Arabs are known for their good relations with black Sudanese
>>217895390This is awful because unlike Tupac Dukat was 100% straight.
how about you learn to embed
>>217895516No, this is how I have been doing it since 2007.
>>217895569I don't like you never have but stop replying to that faggot>learn how to embed hurr durrjust tell him to fuck off and be done with it
>somebody handed me a 4chan pin in 2007 at an anime convention where I was molested by the Shadow President>i had no idea what it was>however, i am le oldfag! now, read my off-topic attention whore post about my real life health scare or relationship drama!
>>217895621That was the 4chan panel line with Bailey Jay in it lmao>>217895601I don't like me either so you at least have good taste.
>>217894839at least your reading comprehension is still pickle. It would be terrible if ostentatious jocularity understand what grubs murder. Majority eggs maces recycling your seizures soon.
>>217895569eternal newfag
>>217895621The Shadow President has standards. He will not stand for this libel.
>>217895394dude janjaweed janjalmao
>>217895712How come none of the English speakers could understand O'Brien?
Klingon is in dire need of fluent speakers.
>>217895742>shitposter actually getting bannedsomeone must have wished upon a shooting star, the planets must have been aligned, it must have been an early christmas miracle, this shit serendipitous
>>217895569That button is EPIC
>>217895757What is the actual Klingon term for "discommendation"? Besides "Worf"
>>217895753They were sober.
>>217895737I am often accused of being a newf-g. Probably because my wide-eyed optimism, curiosity and lighthearted attitude is so youthful. But I've actually been here for ages.
>>217895839pillar
>Why did that man ask me to let him know when my turn was over?
>>217895839lurk moar newfag
>>217895921?rip
>>217895839
>>217895989TNG makeup (especially making people look older) was ass. I legitimately couldn't tell it was Bones the first episode.
>>217896056
>>217895989>Please... I need my adrenochrome... for the peace talks...
>>217896088Adrenochrome makes you smart. My neighbor smart. He makes us go.
>>2178917532005 was 21 YEARS AGO?
WE ARE STARFLEETTHIS IS WHO WE ARE
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BREAD SQUAD BREAD SQUAD BREAD SQUAD
BREAD SQUAD BREAD SQUADBREAD SQUAD
Risa is just Little St. James made into a whole planet. It's not even a secret, whenever you mention the planet's name everyone gets all giggly like "damn the bitches there fuck REAL good, have fun getting your dick wet repeatedly Lt."
>>217896395>>217896436wat?
BREAD SQUADBREAD SQUADBREAD SQUAD
>>217892398Every time I see these it feels like the actors are trying their hardest to not cringe at the sci-fi nerd shit in their lines.
>>217896388these make me laugh
>>217896455It's just a toast! To TV and Film!
>>217896441The Federation Board of Commerce cannot interfere with the established culture of a member world.
Do the replicators have a limit on alcohol?
>>217896395>>217896436>>217896456>>217896472go the fuck back where ever you came from faggot
Nigga thinks he's Dave Filoni
Most anons in /trek/ are good people.
>>217896480>It's legal on Risa, I don't have to answer for anything
>>217896836Honestly most of the regulars here are pretty chill with a good sense of humor. The people who come here to conplain about forced diversity, and who don't capitalize anything, have been really bothering me lately. Are you guys using text to speech?
>>217896887>who don't capitalize anythingget fucked nigger I've been here forever
>>217896887>Are you guys using text to speech?only way to fly
>>217897026subiq faggot
>>217896542>go the fuck back where ever you came from faggot
I fear my witty remarks are pearls before swine.
>>217897091shut up you dumb nacre
>>217895394>It's a Julian becomes an RSF warlord and commits genocide episode
>>217896509Replicators only make Synthehol. You gotta pony up some latinum for the real stuff.
>>217897160Worf was able to conjure up a real alcoholic Klingon drink for that drunk Irishman
>>217897173>drunk IrishmanRedundant
>>217897160Is there any downside to synthehol? It seems to inebriate just as well as real alcohol, doesn't result in a hangover, and can be reversed rapidly with a hypospray if there's suddenly a red alert or something. I'd drink it constantly if it were real.
why are there so many species/races that just want everything to be perpetually shit for everyone for no particular reason?bad writing?
>>217897253I would say, it's probably just taste. If you know the original, you can tell something is off. But if replicated food and drinks is the only thing you know, it's probably fine.
>>217897253>I will eat ze bugs, it tastes just like steak
>>217897173>for that drunk IrishmanI am so glad that Old (aka REAL) Trek never had preachy woke bullshit about replacing White men with immigrants, written by female writers (who are emotional and therefore bad)NuDrek should return to the old ways of White men writing about exploring space and not bitching about smelly old immigrants
>>217893550>>217893747>The pain is what makes the lobsters taste so good.They don't have the kinds of nerve endings required to perceive pain. There are a few species of shrimp that do. But the majority of marine life simple doesn't have any kind of nociception.
>>217897359Counterpoint: their souls scream as they escape to Sto-Vo-Kor
>>217897299>nooo you have to take liver damage if you want to get drunk!>>217897283Like coke VS diet coke maybe, no matter how much they say it tastes the same it very clearly doesn't. Idk how that'd translate to a mix drink made with synthehol though, I'm not drinking a vodka cranberry because I want to taste the vodka after all.
>>217897414They cured the guy who was frozen after he died of liver failure in TNG
>>217897414Sorry to be pedantic but coke vs diet coke is the worst comparison possible, they’re intentionally two completely separate formulas
217897304>waaaah people hate nu trek waaaaaah
>>217897304whatever you're trying isn't working, and everyone can tell you're trolling.
I wish there were in-universe Dominion War mockumentaries, but that sort of fandom doesn't really exist anymore.
Hello, my name is Anonymous and I'm a syntheholic
>>217897693My shifts are the only time I'm not sloshed on the stuff. I need to figure out how to be drunk during shifts, too.
>>217893747I wonder how it tastes IRLtried grass hoppers once, they didn't really taste like much besides being horrifying to put in your mouth
>>217897764Hmm probably like shit
>>217897764I imagine a beefy ramen flavor with the consistency of cold spaghetti.
>>217897764Kinda mean to those poor worms
Synthehol vs alcohol is like CBD vs THC.>tfw I can't smoke anymore because of epilepsy
>>217897774but I have never eaten shit
>>217897796CBD doesn't do shit though, at least synthehol still makes you drunk.
>>217897807I should have said Delta-8 then, but that shit is awful.
>>217897827There's just no substitute for the real thing.Not that there needs to be, really. Hangover-free booze on the other hand would be a revolutionary invention that'd drastically improve people's lives.
The irony is that in the 24th century they had the ability to heal or prevent any sort of bodily harm from using chemicals, but people still don't use them because they are enlightened individuals.
>>217893630?????????????????????cheese comes from milkwhat do puppies drink?
>>217897794yeah idk why he keeps posting that shit except the gross out shock value, he seems like he'd spam gore if it didnt get him banned. he only added the caption because it kept getting deleted for being offtopic
Ever since I was old enough to actually think, the fact that we drink milk meant for baby farm animals never sat right with me. Eating their meat and stuff is one thing but the milk just seems degenerate
>>217898038dog milk, not cheese or raw bovine dairy
>>217898139don't even like milk or most associated dairy productsjust want cheeseholy FUCK I love cheese
>>217898140your moms boobs dispense dogmilk!!!!!!
>>217897304Snodgrass needs to work six months at a retail chain or hospital and then tell us how she feels about immigration.
>>217898139it's ok in my mind because we sterilize itdrinking raw milk is gross
>>217898140and like most mammals except some humans and cats, they lose their ability to digest lactose after weaning
>>217898549Being able to digest milk is an advantageous trait in cold climate regions.
>>217898530>or hospital>how she feels about immigrationIt's where most nurses come from, Immigratia.
>>217897947
>>217898589dogs are lactose intolerant, it can kill them you dipshit
>>217898638Then why do they suck on dog nips as puppies?
>>217898613Most nurses are Hatian or Latin American, yeah. Now look up how many older Americans die a year from "medication errors"
>>217898658because they are pups and thats dogs milk you absolute retard
>>217891637That's a big suit.
>>217898638not all dogs are lactose intolerant, you're thinking of chocolate
>>217897582No he's genuinely mad because we would rather shit on ACK-!!! than "enjoy it for what it is"
>>217898682Yes they deserved to die and I hope they rot in hell!Also you forgot Filipina.
>>217898877most are you tard
>>217898712Dogs milk has lactose.
>>217899074Mammals lose their ability to digest lactose as they wean. Many humans and some cats have lactase persistence.
>>217899074and as they age dogs become intolerant to it.
My dog loves dairy products but he's huge and European so it never seems to bother him.
>>217892864I don't know why this is so goddamn funny to me, every time I see it I sensibly chuckle
>>217892398People will not act like this in the future because if this keeps going, civilization will collapse long before any unification or space travel is achieved
>>217898638being lactose intolerant just makes you pooppooping doesn't kill dogs you pearl clutching redditor
>>217899691Hard cheeses don't have much lactose anyway. Mine is gay for Parmesan.
I am but a simple Starfleet junior officer, seeking Jamaharon.
>>217900119I did not play with boys
have nutrek fans always been this defensive?
this is the power of meth, people
>>217900504Define "Always". NuTrek had been around since either the first J.J. movie in 2009, or STD in 2017. And I know a lot of people were defending the first season of STD like "It needs time to grow into itself!" But I don't think anyone is defending ACK in good faith.
>>217900504yes, even more so
Why didn't Worf just kill Alexander, for being such a failure of an klingon? Wouldn't that be a honorary thing to do?
Why did people turn on Berman era Trek?
>>217900672
>>217900688
>>217900672>>217900688>>217900710a minority of contrarians with shit taste
I used to lurk TrekBBS for these hilarious screenshots I could repost on /tv/ for (You)s but it became too insufferable
ITT: autistic zoomers trying to dunk on GenXers who lived through Bermanslop
>>217891873DeSeve looked disgusting--nipples protruding--in his maroon shirt before Captain Picard. Very very disrespectful.
>>217900739Like, they aren't joking. They genuinely HATE anything that isn't NuTrek (2009+) They even hate TOS because something something sexism, Gene bad, etc.
>>217900672>Muh static camera!Berman Trek was pleasant to watch because of the medium-soft lighting and static camera mid focus shots. How can anyone enjoy constant lens flare, PS3 game backgrounds and shaky cam in every scene? It makes me physically nauseous.
>>217900787it's an ADHD world and the rest of us are just living in it
>>217900787I believe they were referring to this scene in STD where they have a briefing room meeting but the camera is constantly going cut-cut-cut-cut-cut-cut-cut-cut-cut every time someone talks
>>217900787OMG is that Tilly in the back? Is our ginger queen back?!
>>217899645This is the last thing you see on the monitor to mission control before your rocket explodes into a trillion pieces.
>>217900838>queen
>>217900710>>217900688>>217900672Midlife crisis
>>217900817I've never been diagnosed but I'm pretty sure I have mild ADHD. I am an adult diagnosed autist. Anyway I love TNG and DS9. >>217900822>but the camera is constantly going cut-cut-cut-cut-cut-cut-cut-cut-cut every time someone talksThat's because the actors kept blowing their lines and the editors had to save the day.
>>217900672when the check clears from Paramount
Settle the debate once and for all.Is the Federation actually socialist/communist or is it something else that cannot be pinned down to real world economics/political ideology?The Federation is weird because individuals can "own" land and businesses, but they lack the monetary benefits that having such assets would bring, so they don't really meet the criteria of private property as we think of it in the real world. Money doesn't exist, except when trading with non-federation worlds, and citizens can engage in commerce. IP laws exist, but they seem to be more about providing credit and not plagiarizing other peoples work. Companies also exist, but again, don't make profit, so wether they meet the criteria of a private company is complicated. Also it seems that being moneyless is not a requirement for a world to join the Federation.
>>217901118>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity
Starfleet Academy has been renewed. It's over.
>its another Troi gets seduced episodecan she have some self control?
>>217901267It's crazy how it took until DS9 for Trek writers to be able to write female characters with interesting story lines
>>217901015someone (MajorGrin maybe) did a comparison between Kurtzman's CBS show "Scorpion" and an episode of STD after he took over from Fuller, and they were the exact same show. Same camera cuts, same nauseating editing, same dialogue, same "I'm smart so I'm better than everyone" characters,
>>217901267girl's gotta get hers
What is the most skippable episode in all of Star Trek, and why is it pic related?
>>217901118>Also it seems that being moneyless is not a requirement for a world to join the Federation.there's an entire lower drecks about that actually
>>217901253>it's real
>>217901301Sweaty sex with Troi
>>217901311>What is the most skippable episode in all of Star TrekShades of Gray
>>217901311it's rose's mom in titanic.
>>217901286dr crusher got the occasional oneand i like ro laren episodes
>>217901253>>217901322Relax, they bought it in advance, just like that Velma show.
>>217901286I liked that one TNG episode where Beverly kept getting gaslight by that weird pocket universe that wound up collapsing after she was the last person left in it.
>>217901321I haven't watched Lower Decks, the humor didn't seem like my thing.
>>217901253AAAHHHHHHHH
>>217901118I think if you asked Gene he would say it doesn’t matter and isn’t something you think too hard about as it was simply the canvas, whereas the specific stories of kirk and spock and bones were the actual artwork you were supposed to focus on. He told the writers what he needed and they hand-waved the whole post-scarcity thing as much as they could every time it needed to be addressed. Now obviously that isn’t a fun answer and there is certainly fun in the sport of trying to discuss it & go beyond the basics and analyze how it could work/try to build up some head canon here.Personally I think post-scarcity ≠ communism, it’s not that the means of production are controlled by the united earth government or the federation. I think it’s more just a case of extreme abundance, economic egalitarianism, and probably also lots of unspoken cultural taboos. Obviously social hierarchy still exists. Some will exceed more than others in starfleet for example, whether by being top of their class or because they come from an affluent family who happened to have members who exceeded before they were born and built up a reputation and inherited prime real estate and personal property through communal trading of goods or services outside of the government. But by and large I think the answer is that the world is some sort of “everybody gets universal high income” mixed with some sort of preventative-stage capitalism that either tactically avoids late-stage or outright just found a way to skirt around it with abundance. Simply calling it communism or socialism isn’t the right moniker, if that were the case everyone would be card-carrying and vindictive and corrupt
>>217901330Fuck. I should've excluded clipshows.
Tawny won She is the new gap-toothed queen of /trek/Deposed old hag can shimmy shimmy shake herself down a flight of stairs
>>217901335>>217901339I forgot about that Crusher episode, yeah she had the occasional interesting episode, her little will they won't they with Picard was kinda cute. Ro Laren is cool as well. I guess it's just Troi that kinda sucked lol
>>217900838>Is our ginger queen back?!>gingerrearrange those letters and you'll be close
>>217901347Looks like Rick and Morty, written like Robot Chicken (less crude). It's certainly the least bad of nu-trek, for what that's worth. I don't blame any anon for steering clear of it though, I've seen some of it and haven't watched the latest season/s.
>>217901370Didn't they shoot S1 and S2 at the same time?This is becoming a new streaming service jew trick I've noticed
>>217901370>Tawny wonI hate to admit it but you're right.
>>217901365It's amazing that Star Trek only had two* clipshows in its entire history*The Menagerie is technically a clipshow made up from (at the time unseen) footage from The Cage
>>217901370>>217901459she certainly won the sucking shit award
>>217901118There's a reason we basically never see more than a glimpse of Earth life. Too many questions that fit nicely into a box. What I think it more interesting is that while Earth is sold as a utopia where nobody wants for anything and they are beyond fighting each other over petty shit, they don't hold this for most of the other Federation planets.
>>217900598the whole point of worf as a character is that he talks big while in fact being a bigger fuckup than his worthless family. every time he opens his mouth to prate about honor it precedes incompetence and disaster.
>>217901360This is interesting. I always felt that it could not be socialist or communist because, as you point out, there's no "party" or any sort of ideological motive for why they are the way they are other than it works and it's egalitarian. There was no workers revolution or dictatorship of the proletariat, they just kind of arrived at that point naturally. They aren't capitalist, but they also aren't hostile to capitalism and permit their citizens to engage in capitalism and they trade with capitalist governments. I think you are right that the federation is merely a backdrop for our characters, it is vague on purpose and in a sense it is fluid. It's sort of a Rorschach test for the audience, what we learn about the UFP is just vague enough where you can kinda interpret it however you like, you could interpret it as a socialist society, a social-democracy, or something entirely different.
>>217901510Worf is a weeb for his own culture, he's like those dudes in New Jersey who are of Italian descent and constantly brag about it but once they actually go to Italy they're totally out of their depth because their understanding of Italian culture is surface level.
Has the destruction of Star Trek marked a major societal shift?
>>217901582I can't wait to play with my new space station! It can be in orbit and
>>217901550it's more like a dude from jersey raised in japan becoming a devout by the book catholic, but when he goes to italy, he's disappointed in his fellow wops
>>217901582>toys you quite literally can't play with
>>217901582>Federation command base
>>217901557other way around, the major societal shift destroyed star trek
>>217901511Yup and the whole thing breaks down, I think, once you start asking who actually makes the replicators and holodecks, why they are incentivized to make them if their motivation isn’t just profit into their bank account, what it would mean if they just stopped making them. Perhaps the easiest answer (that is a total cop-out) is that after the eugenics wars the Vulcans helped Earth to just unify into a central government and that there are magic replicator machines somewhere that can reciprocate its ow parts and make other replicators and that the energy input is something like the Back to the Future Mr. Fusion machine that takes trash and just spits out effectively unlimited energy or some shit. It all has to be trivialized. But then we run in to the problem of replicators not existing even by ENT so whatever.This is currently Elon Musk’s pitching point. Whether you like him or not, his current explanation is that if you start trivializing energy production such as a huge low earth orbit solar constellation that can beam power down to earth or lots of nuclear reactors and you end up with dirt cheap energy you can then use a robot slave labor force to run the farms, drive the trucks, stock the grocery stores, give you a medical examination, perform the surgery on you. Essentially the cost of living in this idealized society would simply approach the lower and lower cost of electricity to run the machines. But this also does not solve our Star Trek problem because even as late as TNG they really only have Data and Lore and we don’t see any other robots anywhere (but they already have replicators and super smart computers by then at least)
>>217901717>you can then use a robot slave labor force to run the farms, drive the trucks, stock the grocery stores, give you a medical examination, perform the surgery on youthis will always be done by people, the people just get treated worse and worse over time
If Star Trek is actually Marxist then who is the proletariat? Why would the proletariat still exist in a post-scarscity society?
>>217901717>here are magic replicator machines somewhere that can reciprocate its ow parts and make other replicators and that the energy input is something like the Back to the Future Mr. Fusion machine that takes trash and just spits out effectively unlimited energy or some shit. It all has to be trivialized. But then we run in to the problem of replicators not existing even by ENT so whatever.I always assumed a society as advanced as the federation must have heavy automation and advanced machines that can due all the complicated logistical work for them. I know there's that episode of TNG where they make those little drone things that develop sentience, but I always just assumed that they must have similar machines that already exist to some capacity.
Nobody here has actually bothered to read Capital, and you guys are overcomplicating class struggle way too much.
>>217901767Does class exist in the Federation? I feel like ownership is so fundamentally different in its content that the categories of bourgeois and proletarian are obsolete. Ownership in the Federation is totally devoid of any of the benefits that would come with owning a business or property in today's world, the only real gain you would receive from owning a bar or a publishing company would be recognition, you could probably make money if you do business with non-federation worlds but that wealth wouldn't really mean anything in the Federation.
>>217901767>If Star Trek is actually Marxist then who is the proletariat?Terraforming colonists in drab earth tone coveralls>Why would the proletariat still exist in a post-scarscity society?Post-MATERIAL scarcity. There still is scarcity in who looks good in different colors. Falls are the proletariat because they only look good in browns. Springs and summers are the aristocracy and petit bourgeoisie respectively. We don't talk about winters.
>>217901746Musk’s argument is that the robots will be able to do anything a human can, from a dexterity point to view, and that the software could somehow be so good that the vehicles can do FSD, can be smart enough to give you an accurate medical diagnosis, can use opposable thumbs to do the surgery, etc. Of course he is hand waving AI just getting exponentially smarter and approaching some form of sentience. I see his point though. A society with smart enough computers and low enough costing energy could theoretically produce huge over-abundance, i.e. post-scarcity (at least for your everyday needs)This also implies a company that operates in good faith and just blows a bunch of their own profit for the goodwill of humanity that makes a bunch of AI robots that give people shit for free. This is the most unbelievable part lol. He who controls the AI slave force will just want to find a way to profitise off of it and ask normies to pay up for the service all while not employing anyone
>>217901837Class doesn't exist because due to post-scarscity the bourgeoises can no longer make money off of surplus value and therefore they go defunct.
>>217901895Yes that too, my mistake for not mentioning that.
>>217901837Class just reflects energy budget. The Federation has social strata determining who gets to e.g. reignite brown dwarf stars, terraform planets, and negotiate policy with other powers. The Federation does not have impoverished classes who live without access to basic needs.
>>217901847>Falls are the proletariat because they only look good in browns.I orangemogg you every month of the year
>>217901895NTA but counter point: even in a post-scarcity society there’s nothing stopping you from, say, finding proverbial “buried treasure,” say a derelict crashed ship that has a bunch of credits or Latinum. Now you have more trading power that the average joe. Now you have more leverage in negotiations.
>>217901933Marx is one of the most misunderstood philosophers of the past 100 years it's all good.
Who had a more negligent first contact here?
>>217901969Okay, but the key tenant of Marxism is the value of labor not the value of luxury goods.
>>217901311>What is the most skippable episode in all of Star Trek,That TNG episode where the girl had the imaginary friend. Complete waste of 45 minutes. It's in the running for most skippable piece of media of all time.
>>217902029I meant to type tenet. I will fuck off to get red wine drunk now.
>>217902037Literally nothing at all happens in the episode where Riker makes up with his dad. The reason they were estranged wasn’t even compelling or eve clear. There’s no conflict or plot the whole time though
>>217901936A story worth exploring (that I don’t trust modern writers to be able to handle well at all) would be how Starfleet / the Federation handles civil war away from earth. Those not fortunate enough to have abundance, who start to act up and present a threat. Sisko gave a good monologue about not everything being pretty and perfect away from earth. And PIC blew their load with that black bitch who lectured Picard about him being le privileged and others living in squalor (retard writers here). Idk maybe I’m just projecting bc I know Halo has civil war in its lore right before the covenant made them shift focus and I think that would be a cool setting worth exploring.
>>217901959real falls wear green
>>217902107We routinely see Federation colonies get screwed over by star fleet policy. The moment they stop receiving star fleet aid they're down to subsistence farming and living in caves.
>>217901984I don't remember that voy episode, is that the one with the planetary translocator or whatever
>>217902105At least that gave us funny Anbo Jyutsu memes. The one with the two little girls has absolutely no legacy. It's not even bad enough to be made fun of.
>>217902229It's the one with the whole planet of telepaths and B'Elanna accidentally thinks a violent thought
>>217902029And that’s why Marx is a pseudointellectual cromagnon retard. In the real word, the fruit of labor is capital for, ultimately, necessities and after that personal goods and luxury goods. Pretending like you can centrally plan and strong-arm egalitarianism is so stupid. Telling someone they have too much and taking from them intrinsically requires an authoritarian class in and of itself. Your desire to erase hierarchy has now just spawned a card-carrying hierarchy
>>217902242I do not recall that whatsoever. Is it the same one with the old woman who was like, projecting past traumas into her head?
>>217902203And the interesting thing about that is usually people only live on the colonies because their jobs require them to. Anyone could live on a more centrally based world or even Earth if they really wanted to. Nobody is forcing anyone to live on the fringes of colonized space so even when colonies have frustration with the distribution of resources, if worst came to worst they would just leave.
I like the reverence archer had for the colonists of terra nova making a one-way trip, and building the prefab town out of their ship. It was a nice moment
I’m watching the holocaust museum episode
>>217902248Okay, but if you are making money off of the value of an item instead of the labor required to produce said item, then it isn't capitalism. Did the plantations make money off of the cotton itself, or did they make money off the free labor? That is the whole crux of what Marx is getting at, and what divides serfs and slaves from the proletariat. Please, anybody correct me if I am wrong about this.
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>>217902382Burn-the-boat colonies have been standard for the human race since the first protohumans invented the dugout canoe
>>217902399Labor theory of value is unilaterally incorrect. It’s not even a question of theory. It’s just wrong. Like Malthusian dilemma
>>217902389>the Kyrian genocide may have been exaggerated in some aspectsWoah...................................This would never get made today
>>217902411I'm collecting all these shill reviews for posterity.
>>217902275It's this one https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Random_Thoughts_(episode)
>>217902389Head canon: Copy Doctor died on his way to Alpha Quadrant, because of the Burn.
>>217902411>sad white girl standing next to strange happy negro and Jewish handlerEmblematic
>>217902389unironically based episode that could never have been made today
>>217902447This just isn't true, most refutations of LTV come from people applying it to shit it was never meant to be applied to or just blatant misunderstandings of it.
>>217902486>supports deadbeat dads abandoning their familiesOkay
Ain't no such thing as a free space lunch.
>>217902554That's just common sense anon
>>217902447Don't you have like 12 kids you should be watching, Elon-kun?
>>217902536That’s like saying most refutations of hylomorphism come from people who just don’t really get it, like atomic scientists. >t. An anon not using his econ degree
Hey, if labor theory of value is incorrect then why hasn't the minimum wage increased with inflation?
>>217902591>he missed the LIBAR gravy train AND the NFT gravy traingrim
>>217902583Saying a guy in the 19th century got the essence of market economics and further as it relates to human neurology wrong isn’t the same thing as being a hyper capitalist lmao brainlet. Before Adam Smith most people literally thought it was not logical and immoral to charge any more than the colloquial fair value of production for a product.
>>217902644you’re thinking of productivity v. wage
>>217902644Because we found cheaper sources of labor than American born workers. Pedro and Ranjeesh will work harder for less money and not complain.
>>217902644turns out that when your medium of exchange is wholly fictitious it's cheaper to pay people imaginary currency to do nothing of value than it is to suppress permanent revolution
>>217902720>As of February 2026, the federal minimum wage in the United States remains $7.25 per hour, a rate unchanged since July 2009Am I?
>>217902749They don't need more than that. You don't give your livestock caviar
>>217902749Yes. That minimum wage was high for 2009.
The only solution is to gas the Ferengi bankers
>>217901582I liked most of the playmates ships but this feels somewhat pointless
>>217902814The solution is stop buying shit. I don’t get what people spend their salaries on.
>>217902854Go on.
>>217901628kek
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>>217902865Their Enterprise toys for example felt like they could be played with like any other sci-fi vehicle, pretend to fly them around, battle etc... But a space station is just sorta there. More of a display piece than a toy.
>>217902863uh, necessities? necessities have gotten more expensive while luxuries have gotten cheaper
>>217901253everything gets picked up for multiple seasons in advance these days because of jew nepotism bullshit and the fact that there's no reliable metric for rating anymore so hacks can exploit the made up streaming metrics to pretend people like their garbage, this means nothing
