Heroes of Westeros editionprevious >>218433239
We're all gonna make it. Two more books.
>>218443364Anon...don't...
>>218443364Two more Wild Cards I suppose.
>>218443370The Maesters are a native resistance movement, thoughever.
I have a suspicion: George R. R. Martin is not actually the author of ASOIAF. The series was written by a ghostwriter instead. Something happened, perhaps a falling out over money, perhaps the writer died in a car crash, we just don't know. But the real author is out of the picture now, that's why grrm has been unable to write anything in 15 years.
George is waiting for AI to be good enough to finish the books for him, like how he used AI to make his 2025 illustrated edition and suffered zero consequence and even denied the artist's use of AI.
>>218443428no he's just a lazy piece of shit
his name is literally demon blackfire
>>218443389And Avalon? That's off the table as well, I suppose?
It's a really lucky coincidence that the Targaryean's family sword is named in Common, isn't it? I wonder why that is. Unless the High Valyrian for Black Fire is "Blackfyre". I thought sister/brother was Volonquar, but apparently not as Dark Sister is so called. I never thought about it, I wonder why their swords have such sinister (and Andal) names?
>>218443396>Euron Greyjoy is about to take Oldtown, preparing to burn the citadel>when suddenly>Pycelle (he faked his death)shows up>In a fucking AT-AT>He sets cannons to maximum firepower>Euron gets a blaster cannon to the face
>>218443526Gurm can't make names that have linguistic sense.Winterfell, Dreadfort, Last Hearth are named in Andal.
Does GRRM ever clarify what additional rights city dwellers have in Westeros? Correct me if I'm misremembering, but it seems like they're free from being levied, but that's basically it and a city is still under the total control of their lord.
Who wins the tourney at Ashford? Does GRRM give it out anywhere?
>>218443637Yes, yes. Well done, well done.
>>218443396Holy shit
my wife like the show!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0xsAV5n6jQ
>>218443651I did.
>>218443651Daemon's ghost.
>>218443526i always thought it was just a translation, like it was originally called dark fire but it's word for fire that was multi purpose so they went with fyre
>/got/dunk/>/got/hotd/dunk/ will prune it
Down with the Preston, this guy should finish winds and dream
>>218443768I'm here for /got/hotd/dunk/druk/Alas, it's only 3pm here.
>>218443635Of course he doesn’t. Outside of trial by combat it doesn’t seems GRRM thought out any laws of Westeros
>>218443332TAOOBA!
>>218443332Dropped. No blacks in my fantasy
>>218443526>Dark SisterGods, what a stupid name. Who named you? Some emo girl that pretends to be a witch?
>>218443836With haste.
>>218443862>Gods, what a stupid name. Who named you? Some emo girl that pretends to be a witch?yes
>>218443857Don’t worry by year 300 Maesters managed to eradicate all blacks North of D*rne
>>218443526The Targaryens were considerate and translated it for the common people.
>PRINCE BAELOR TRYING TO HOLD HIM BACK>WAIT A MINUTE>MAEKAR JUST KNOCKED HIM OUTTA THE WAY>HERE COMES MAEKAR RUNNING>THAT'S HIS SON>WAIT A MINUTE>LYONEL BARATHEON CHARGING RIGHT AT HIM>BAH GAWD MAEKAR'S GOT A LANCE>MAEKAR JUST SPEARED THE HORSE>BARATHEON IS DOWN
>>218443887>Maesters taking credit for Bobby B's genocideI hope Euron kills everyone of those grey fucks when he sacks old town
>>218443894>AND HERE COMES ROBOCOP, BOB!
Apparently there will be two jaehaeras this season. So it’s obviously going to be a time jump again. Or maybe the older one is a vision.
>>218443783>GuyAre you sure about that?
>>218443894>here comes Ser Donnel of Duskendale charging>full gallop>sword ready>BAH GAWD>SER ROBYN RHYSLING OUTTA NOWHERE>BUSINESS IS ABOUT TO PICK UP
>>218443910FRAUDron is going to get dabbed on the Hightowers.
>>218443673Why did sheepfucker bring her to the murderbowl?
>>218443944For me.
LORD __________ FUCKS HIS ___________
Why did this tourney have so many important figures anyway? Never even heard of Ashford before
>>218443635GRRM is unwilling and unable to put any thought into the political and legal system of westeros beyond edgy stuff like trial by combat and right of the first night.
>>218444032Literally just a PR stunt that got way, WAY out of hand.
If they made Celebrity Deathmatch in the 2010’s they definitely would have had Dany fight Cersei
baelor brainsmear
Would you?
>>218443940>green boy Dunk the Lunk finally getting his weapon>Perfect PARRIES INTO AN ARMBAR>ooh but our Brightflame doesn't just take it>replying kindly with his shield>BASH BASH>OOOH BUT DUNK GIVES HIM 5 REASONS TO STOP TO THE FACE>OUT GOES THE FLAME IN THE DIRT
>>218444032WWE has yet to be invented so to avoid boredom people travel to far away places where the local lord is willing to bankrupt himself to get more prestige by making men knock other men off horses with long sticks.
Take Heart Beesbury!
>>218444235>Pretty face according to ADWD ending>Has a mom and older sister with great titsSure.
>>218444312>>Has a mom and older sister with great titsWhich she won't have because she doesn't take after Cat.
>>218444235No, but I would be a young squire that gets taken advantage of by Cersei.
>>218444235Yes
>>218444349Good point. I wish we had more canon sources about Lyanna's looks.
>Who has a better story than BranMeanwhile I watch his story and it's literally all a complete waste of time that goes nowhere. I don't even know what him being king means. Does he watch rapes all day? Does he institute mass surveillance? I literally don't know what it means. His entire arc just become a weird rapist king. Which almost seems like it'd actually fit in with GRRM actually but I don't think that was their intent? was it? Genuinely don't know. No one even talks about it or thinks about it because who cares lmao. I guess I shouldn't either.
>>218443894>>218443940>>218444275>trial of the seven chaos everywhere>Dunk knocked to the ground>OH NO>MAEKAR TARGARYEN CHARGING STRAIGHT AT HIM>BAH GAWD HE'S GONNA KILL THAT MAN>WAIT A MINUTE>PRINCE BAELOR OUTTA NOWHERE>HE JUST SPEARED MAEKAR OFF THE HORSE
>>218444349who says that she still can't inherit her moms big bust? She'd be prettiest woman in all of Westeros in that case
Freychads, I'm scared for the fate of that most noble house. I know there's like 100~ Freys but still
>>218444275its five fingers to the face you retard
....semoc eH
>>218444517>>218444312Horseface
>>218444476>TFW no season 10 where every house in The Reach revolts against being led by a random sellsword and the ensuing civil war after they don't reach an agreement on who should lead>No Season 10 where the peoples in King's Landing are deathly paranoid of the new king with the clergy trying to hide that they're aghast at the infidel> No Season 10 where Kween Sansa's Norf becomes horribly mismanaged because there isn't a single experienced nobleman alive in the 'kingdom'> No Season 10 where Tyrion is overthrown because of him aiding Dany and C. Rock is taken over by a random Lannista' cousin
I would have voted for Edmure to be King. Actually, I think Edmure will be King in the books. Sansa was just DnD's commentary on that idea. He is the only true hero in Westeros.
funny how there was not a single trival of seven in asoiaf yet. There should be at least one, either Cersei or Jaime
>>218444654People have been thinking for a while Cersei will have to face one against the faith. It makes sense because if she puts forward "Robert Strong" then the Faith will probably want to force a 7 vs 7 otherwise they will lose badly. Atleast their guys can murk Boros Blount and the Kettleblacks (RIP my boys) to make the fight more even (not knowing Gregor is a zombie)
>>218444593>there isn't a single experienced nobleman alive in the 'kingdom'I don't remember who died in the tv show, but aren't Wyman and Greatjon alive?>tfw Sansa marries one of them for the stablility of the kingdom>>218444638Based and true.
>>218444519Once Walder dies all Freys will kill each other in a frey civil war.
>>218444704>tfw Sansa marries one of them for the stablility of the kingdomin D&D world based and strong women don't marry, love or have children. So in that timeline Sansa will die without heir and throw Norf into crisis
>>218444733Finally a war that's not Blackwood-Bracken proxy war. First in 300 years.
>>218444544Bullying by her older sister and her entourage. Also, pre-puberty for Arya.
>>218444752Queen Sansa will introduce a new, better system of government. One in which the ruling queen grooms a young girl to be her succesor.
>>218444700Sandor will fight for the faith after the brotherhood slaughters the quiet isle
>>218444794Sansa truly had the most retarded outfits.
>>218444794She used to be cuteWhat happened?
https://youtu.be/jI7XKI6wVvgRamin is responsible for so much of what made Game of Thrones amazing. Even the stuff from the objectively terrible seasons is Godly. Knights was fine, but I'm ready for some more Ramin with HotD even if the show is doomed.
>>218444825haven't seen this webm...in eight years...how many of those tripfags are already dead?
They make the cider THEMSELVES of course it's gotta be good, of course...
>>218444825>>218444852Nine. Nine years. Gods we were young then.
“Your lemoncakes,” they all heard Sansa say, when they were close enough to kiss. Her deep voice booming.“I stole them from the kitchen.” She thrust her free hand into Sweetrobin’s unprotected face, pushing lemony fingers into his eyes.“Then I licked them.” Sansa slammed her fist into the sick boy’s mouth, making splinters of his teeth.“Then I smashed their fucking frosting in. Like this.” As she drew back her huge fist,The blood on her lemongrabbers seemed to smoke in the cold dawn air. There was a sickening crunch.Ser Lyn wailed in terror, and Bronze Yohn’s breakfast came boiling back up. He found himself on his knees retching bacon and sausage and applecakes, and that double helping of fried eggs cooked up with onions and fiery Dornish peppers,but no lemony lemoncakes, for Sansa ate them all.
>>218444968Sansa doesn't deserve him
holy shit ira is canadian?fuck my heart swelled a lil
>>218444356mogged by her brother
The Titan of Bravos is a mecha from before the Long Night.
>>218445073jobs to Aragorn
>>218444826They gave her weird leather bondage stuff in the end.
reread got1 this year, still kinoonly got the three first books, shit gets too depressing further on
If Sansa were smart, she'd immediately order the construction of a canal through the Neck at Moat Cailin. She could explain this as an economic development project to aid in trade between the North's west coast and Essos. But in reality it would also be a massive defense project to put up a barrier between her country and the south.
>>218445158Why do autists think the North has the ability to build a canal that long?>it would also be a massive defense project to put up a barrier between her country and the south.The North doesn't need a southern defense line. The Neck already does that well enough and you could fix Moat Cailin if you wanted more.
>>218444826>>218445114This was the hottest Sansa has ever looked in the show and her best outfit
>>218445302Dark Sansa was super hot. But they made her a whiney rapee right after.
>>218445158Stannis, Dany and Griff all invade Westeros by sea
>>218445302Post her pregnant, that’s the hottest she’s ever looked
>>218445302>>218445395this was such an odd scene. They skipped the whole part about Sansa disguising as Alayne Stone but then decide to give her a makeover and hair dye after the plotline has concluded, only for the scene because they immediately memoryhole the costume change in the next season.Could it be that they had some other plan for her character but settled on the Ramsay marriage at the last minute?
>>218445158she and what army? North is not populated enough and poor as fuck
>>218445522George said he planned to kill her off at one point, but changed her mind. Maybe she was supposed to die.
>>218445395cleavage should be like this
I hope Euron cuts out Aegon's tongue, has him raped in front of Jon Con (who'd probably enjoy it to be fair) and then tie him to the front of the silence
>>218445522Yeah, there was definitely a disconnect between the ending of s4 and the continuation in s5. Though Sansa gets to have that weird bathing scene with Ramsay's girlfriend. I guess the writers were still waiting for Grrm to finish his shit, so they were unsure where to go between seasons.>>218445588He's still open to killing her in twow. But I doubt the show would have killed Sansa off even if grrm told DnD so, she was just too important. Not just for the story as such, but for the irl fan and journo culture. People were already quite angry about the beautiful rape.
>>218445488
>>218445706>I guess the writers were still waiting for Grrm to finish his shit, so they were unsure where to go between seasons.I don't recall GRRM having a public breakdown around that time over plot deviations so it seems like he was okay with Sansa going the Ramsay route as long as it led to her being kweeninnanorfAs other Anon points out, it doesn't sound like George knows where he is going with Sansa's character so maybe that's why he wouldn't care what they do with her.Honestly, most of GRRM's problems go away if he wrote the majority of his characters like Theon, letting them disappear for a long segment and then return in a different place later on with some mystery. His insistence on detailing every cog movement of every main character is why everything is so fucked now.
>>218445782peak female form
>>218445782>t. Fossoway man at Joffrey's wedding
DAEMON, THE KING THAT BORE THE SWORD!
>>218445885I missed that thread.
>>218445885>DAEMON, THE KING THAT BORE THE SWORD!
>>218445833>it doesn't sound like George knows where he is going with Sansa's character so maybe that's why he wouldn't care what they do with her.in outline Sansa gets killed off with her and Joffrey baby. her story changed so much but probably doesn't have concrete place in end game
Did any POV characters get killed off in AFFC or ADWD? Other than Jon Snow.>Lust provoking image
>>218445906By who? Tyrion?
Why did the Reynes think it was a good idea to stage a rebellion against their Lord Paramount? Wouldn't the other LPs demand for royal intervention if it looked like they were going to win? Not a good precedent.
>>218445980Jaime, he takes the throne by killing everyone ahead of him. Tyrion is in North brooding in burned winterfell because Arya doesn't love him.
>>218445960jon snow isn't dead, the magic of the wall will allow him to survive the injuries, it's the same reason how aemon lasted 102 years
>>218445960how do you go from this
The King Who Cared
>>218446010I would never go from this. I would breed it every day.>>218445833>His insistence on detailing every cog movement of every main character is why everything is so fucked now.'Member the first book, where Catelyn just teleports between the north and KL between chapters? Good times.
is there pussy in Ulthos?
>>218446153>Girl are you from YiTi? Because I want to see your ass high!
>>218446153lol ass
George be like>and then I never finished any of my stories so that I could sell out to HBO
>>218446147plot moving forward? What is this madness, here, have a same fucking event from perspective of two different PoVs and pointless travel chapters that are about nothing
>>218446231DANCE OF DRAGONS TYRION TRAVEL VLOG
Why does Valyria look like a hand. You could say it even looked like a green hand, before the doom came. Could the legend of Garth greenhand leading the first men across the arm of dorne really been about people from pre dragon Valyria migrating to Westeros?
>>218446284It looks more like a horned skull to me.
>>218446231>>218446245It's crazy that Tyrion has TWELVE pov chapters in Dance and most of them can be skipped completely
swtor not letting me reset my shit D:I just wanna play with baelor
>>218445608this was not 2010-2013 GoT so no. We were entering the neutered times.
>>218445706I felt the same disconnect when S6 ends with Sansa clearly bothered with the north choosing a “bastard born in the south” over her and letting what littlefinger told her how unfair it was get to her, that it seemed next season we were going to get little finger playing on Sansas frustration to get her to betray Jon. But instead we got that stupid bullshit with Arya instead.
>>218446153What's Asshai's tax policy?
>>218446487Each citizen must bring 3 newborn babies a year for sacrifice
>>218446386I like the bit where Septa Lemore is naked.
>>218446443I hate America, why couldn't give us at least five more years of good times
>>218446386>most of them can be skipped completelyThat's all Essos chapters THOUGH
>>218446386I'll defend Tyrion chapters more than most of ADWD. It's some of the better non-Westeros worldbuilding in the series. I like the fantasy elements with the Royne being bigger than the Amazon, the ruins with the stone men, the magical turtle appearing for a brief moment. I think Aegon's crew are actually interesting as well, they all relate to the main Westeros plot (unlike 99% of people Dany interacts with) and there's the nice narrative theme of them all being fake in someway: the maester never earned his chain, the septa who should be celibate has clearly been pregnant etc. Turns to shit once he leaves Volantis though.
>>218446661I wonder how much better asoiaf would be if George just cut out Dany
I personally find that Golden Company and Aegon/Jon Con boring as fuck.
Why is it more of a shithole than Russia? White Harbor is the only thing of value.
>>218446740The super winters that come every few years basically kill everyone off. There's a town in Winterfell that is empty just so people can come and shelter there in the winter because the outside world is just not survivable. It's a miracle White Harbor survives.
>>218446791>The super winters that come every few years basically kill everyone off.Wildlingchads survive in tents and shit. Without granaries
>>218446740>white harbor is the only thing of value And suprise suprise, they’re andals. For a family that descends from someone called the builder the starks sure are unindustrious
>>218446880Bran the Builder was an Andal.
>>218446880the manderlys are first men
>>218446930They are from reach, how can they be first men?
>>218446966You replied to the wrong guy. Anyway, did you think the Reach was empty before the Andals showed up?
You guys realize both these guys will be black, right?
>>218446935If they follow the seven it means theyve been andalized culturally and genetically
All the First Men houses had their names and symbols taken by the Andals for the most part, not too dissimilarly to Baratheon taking the Durrandon's drip (but not their name). The Lannisters, for example, aren't really the First Men Lannisters. An Andalchad Knight took the last Lannister for a wife and stole all their iconography.
>>218446861The demographics of westeros make no sense with regards to the seasons. I've said before that realistically the people of the North should all be fishers and reindeer herders. An agrarian society wouldn't survive these climate changes. The southern kingdoms should probably be nomads too.
>>218446966because the reach was first colonized by the first men? they first build dunstonbury off the mouth of the mander, which maybe the river itself was named after themI like to imagine that the Manderlys are descended from owen oakenshield, since owen oakenshield drove merlings and selkies back from the sea and took a merling king as sigil due to that>>218447013if you go by genetics if we consider the fact that the manderlys have probably married into several bannermen of the starks then they have probably gotten more and more first men genetics by the time of asoiaf
>Lannister >Casterly >Manderly>Fossoway These are NOT first men naming conventions. It’s gotta be like >>218446284 said, there were multiple migrations into Westeros before the andals, Garth’s wave was more advanced, migrating from some other pre established civilization, and then the second wave consisted of more primitive tribes of men, probably connected to the hairy men culture of Essos. These became the first men with short simple names like stark and mudd. And then of course you have the first men who came from across the sunset sea like the iron born and the Hightowers
>>218447279George changed his mind some time and decided that (nearly) all the houses were actually First Men houses and retconned them into First Men houses. Kind of like how there were supposed to be no Weirwoods below the neck and how the whole of the Seven Kingdoms (except the North) got taken over, including the Iron Islands for some stupid reason. Kind of like how the Targs were supposed to have married their siblings for generations, but as it turns out the practice had just been brought back and then had just left again.
>>218447279Fussing about with ASOIAF linguistics is retarded. Westeros is fucking huge and yet everyone speaks one language, even isolated villages and the guys seperated by a magical wall of ice.
>>218443370we still trying to pretend that western men resisting inbred schizos from the east that lost their homeland is a bad thing?
>>218447336> Kind of like how there were supposed to be no Weirwoods below the neck and how the whole of the Seven Kingdoms (except the North) got taken over, including the Iron Islands for some stupid reasonWhen was this changed?
>>218447279The appendix of GoT has the Lannisters as descendents of "andal adventurers". And Martin has used the Lannister name specifically in the past as an example of andal naming conventions. The first men on the other hand have short, speaking names like Stark, Strong, Reed, Mudd, etc. There was also a phenotypic difference, with andals having light hair and eye colour.But then Martin retconned all of this later and made the blond Lannisters first men. Thank god he did, otherwise we would have had a minimum of dynamic change over time.
>>218447378No idea. With Fire and Blood, maybe? I'm sure I remember and interview where he specifically went through names and said "names like Strong, Stark, Mudd" are First Men names then named a bunch of (now) First Men houses as "Andal names" but I can't find it.
>>218447279>Manderly>lived by the Mander>Casterly >lived by the Casterreal question here is what happened to the Caster river
As an aside, this is from the RPG (2005) and it has a little name list, and funnily enough all the Rhoynish names listed have since been retconned and are now Andal names. I actually think Dorne has more Andal houses than The Vale of Arryn now (probably because it isn't as explored).
>>218447339This is the most retarded aspect of his worldbuilding. Especially that even the wildlings beyond tne wall all speak andal/the common tongue. He didn't actually have to invent these languages like Tolkien. It would just all be english to us as the readers, and the Stark kids were all native andal speakers from their mom. >>218447378The weirwood thing gets retconned already within the first book. In the first Catelyn chapter she thinks about how there are no weirwoods south of the Neck, but then in the last Catelyn chapter of AGoT we learn that there's a weirwood in her childhood home of Rriverrun and that some Riverlanders still worship the old gods. It's one of many errors, contradictions and other weird "first-bookisms" of the earlier books. TWoIaF later tells us that Casterly Rock and High Garden also have weirwoods. TWoIaF also talks about first men vs. andal names (stark, mudd, etc.) but also narrates in detail how the Lanisters were always first men of this name and blond from the start.
>>218447622>The weirwood thing gets retconned already within the first book. In the first Catelyn chapter she thinks about how there are no weirwoods south of the NeckThis could've been a general statement/exaggeration, no?
>>218447279In the lore there is debate if it was the first king that led the first men across the arm of dorne or if Garth did, so this could be a hint that there were 2 migrations by two different leaders
>>218443370Who are the muslim of Westeros?
>the only city formed post-Aegon's Conquest was King's Landing???????????
>>218447729Religiously, there are none. In the ethnic sense (Pakis, Arabs, Persians, etc) the people of Slaver's Bay fit the best. I suppose you could say the Rhllor worshippers are Muslim, but they are based on Zoroastrians specifically who the Muslims destroyed.
>>218447729>highest violent crime rate per capitaValyrians.
>>218447765Targshits set the Seven Kingdoms back centuries. They were building shit like Harrenhal, a true wonder of the world, and it all stopped once (((they))) arrived. Westeros would be industrialising if not for Aegon.
>>218444356This, but only if it's AFfC Cersei with her pudgy belly and permanent wine breath
>>218447815an owl wrote this post
>>218444356>>218447816These but as a page, not a squire
>>218447602very weirdyou'd think Dorne would have a Rhoynish religion too
Speaking about worldbuilding. I've bought The World of Ice and Fire, as I mentioned before, and have now read it over the course of about a week. As a quick review:When you hear people talk about TWoIaF it's mostly about the eldritch horrors or crazy stuff from the far east. But that's only a very, very minor part of the book. That stuff is mostly on the last few pages where apparently the co-authors had the most freedom to make their own shit up.Most of the book focuses on westeros, specifically the history of the Targaryens and the other big houses. If you've read the mainline books and hung out in fan communities you've already heard most of this info. It goes into a bit more detail though, for example we get a narrative about the recent Lannister history, including a Tywin biography and how he killed the Raynes. You can also clearly tell what regions grrm worked on more than the others. The chapter on the Iron Islands is weirdly long and detailed compared to the short one about the Stormlands for example.We do get some really interesting tidbits throughout the book though. For example on the "elder races", or on events and places we've never heard before in the mainline books. There's also clearly a maester bias in TWoIaF and you can try to guess at the "real" events in some places.Overall I rate it 8/10. Would recommend to buy a used copy.
>>218447871They do but it's VERY small. It might even be just some members of House Martel.
>>218447897the stormlands chapter was very disappointing
>>218447897>That stuff is mostly on the last few pages where apparently the co-authors had the most freedom to make their own shit up.The lovecraft stuff of the east is all George. Elio and Linda were only given small creative liberties when writing the history of the free cities, something that didn’t interest George
>>218447897Okay, now explain to me why Westeros only has five cities despite having civilization for like five thousand years.
Enough./got/, you will marry /trek/ and put an end to these disgusting rumors about your general
>>218447943same reason gondor went over 900 years without a king
>>218447943That's because Grrm is a shit worldbuilder. The text does mention that there are a lot of "fishing villages" and "market towns" all over the place however, so we probably have to imagine westeros as more densely settled than the maps suggest. But overall there's almost nothing about demographics, economy, subsistence, law, linguistics, etc. in the book. It's mostly a history of events with some flavour on the character of different regions. >>218447928Ok, thanks. I was only vaguely remembering some interviews.
>>218447815this post was fact checked by true Hoare patriots:TRUE
>>218447815>building Harrenhal on a fucking lake instead of the Trident like twenty miles northsmartest Ironigger in Westerosi history
>>218443894>>218443940>>218444275>>218444500>OH FOULPLAY FROM THE LAUGHING STORM
anyone have more pics of the septon?
>>218448257She's a septa.
>>218447943Westeros has way more than 5 cities.>King's Landing>Oldtown>Lannisport>Gulltown>White Harbor>Duskendale>Tumbleton>MaidenpoolBarrowton>Lordsport>Sunspear>Ashford>Kayce
>>218448635>>King's Landing>>Oldtown>>Lannisport>>Gulltown>>White Harborand that's it
>>218447943The quality of scholarship in Westeros isn't very good so half of the 'history' is just shit maester's have made up.
>>218448682No
>>218444500I think about this shot when lying in bed at night.I wish I was a fraction as cool as Breakspear is here.Taking his brother clean off the saddle and moving to unsheathe his sword in one fluid motion. Like, whoa damn.
>>218444235>>218444356>>218445073cute artstyle, any more?
>>218443940>Ser Robyn would die the King's faithful servant>But when the Crown goes against the Gods, Ser Robyn goes against the CrownBased. Meanwhile Barristan the Bootlicker proudly guarded his king while he burned and raped people daily.
>>218448687
>>218448911>the king heckin' "raped" his wife!!!!11It's literally her job to get fucked by the king.
>>218448931meant for >>218448844
>>218448573he is a septon
>>218445960grrm cannot afford to off many pov characters without destroying the story telling
>>218448931who?
>>218448911>random knight in chainmail has more aura than half the cast
>>218449085Genderbent prince, I think
Thirty nine.. he was a fucking kid...
Never forget what the Maesters took it from you
>>218448844Have a young/old Robert.
>>218445960if you count arys oakheart's single POV chapter, yeah.
>>218449190Gods, he was hot thent. Ned
>>218445960Quentyn and Arys.
>>218449424>Quentyn
>we will unite the realm to save the world from the white walkers! The prophecy says we must be the heroes!>*goes extinct before the others come and Arya saves the world*It’s like some cosmic joke and the Targaryens are the punchline!
>>218448931Is that Valarr in a dress
How come 99% of fan art is of Targaryens
I don't know how every Targ after the dance of dragons doesn't have open contempt for all Targs involved. They completely squandered their family's most important legacy
>>218443428Counter suspicion. Maybe he just doesn't give a fuck anymore because he's old and rich as fuck.
I fell for GoT being back after HOTD season 1. If AKOTSK season 2 is bad I'll never watch or care about this shit ever again
>>218450875same here
>>218450617they do tho
Why didnt they get along? Stannis said Robert never loved him and he never loved Robert
>>218450875>I fell for GoT being back after HOTD season 1I feel like the world has been mass hypnotized into thinking that season was good and I’m the only one who saw it for what it was
>>218451180Stannis autism
>>218449089>he doesn't know how chainmail workslook nigga, since no one ever gave you the stat loadout, I guess I'll do it . chainmail offers zero protection. thats why dunk gets stabbed so hard when wearing it. Its because its not about the armor. its about the +3 to charisma stat from the blacksmith's pheremonal scent getting imbued in the little metal rings. makes paladin spell casting and smiting hit WAY harder. if you want protection, you either go leather armor with a high dex stat, or full plate, but full plate has like -10 charisma and you will never pull bitches>T. played warlock in my last 2 campaigns, never reaching an armor class above 11
>>218449589If you believe the Whent theory then the prophecy was in fact fulfilled in the show, as Arya would be a descendant of Aemond.
>>218450875I didn’t even watch it until last December. Though it feels like 2022 was the absolute rock bottom in media quality and the show definitely never had a chance. Like the showrunners never would have gotten that kind of money and a big prestige project to try and run a starcrossed lesbian lovers playbook in 2018 or even 2024. The show even feels like the writers have a remote work deal which never requires them to be in the same room as they map the plotlines for these seasons out and the last episode’s atrocities get forgotten in the next one.
>>218450875I'll still watch S3 of HotD if only for the Sunfyre scenes and Alicent and Rhaenyra's toxic lesbian sex scene(s)
How often did Robert hold tourneys where you could get 10k gold for winning a fucking archery contest? You could buy 10k horses for that btw
>>218451712Gurm is just terrible with numbers>Anguy wins the equivalent of over 10 million dollars at a tournament, blows it all in a month>he famously told D&D the Wall was too high and they said "that's what an 800 foot tall wall looks like">The Lannister campaign in the Riverlands moves at an average speed that is faster than the average speed of German panzer forces in Fall Gelb
Does anyone remember what the actual plan was before Jon arrived at Dragonstone to lobby Dany? Were they going to go straight to King’s Landing? Iirc they hit Casterly Rock (all the way on the other side of the continent) first
George hasn't written anything in 5 years. All blog posts saying otherwise are lies.
>>218451786>Gurm is just terrible with numberswait 'till you read some chinese cultivation novels, now they have some fucked up scaling/numbers
>>218452216t. courting death
>>218443332just finished dunk & egg, holy shit it is pure kino from start to finishi thouroughly moggs HOTDalso Rowan Fossoway is such a qt
>>218444694Kek
>>218451786It's pretty bad when JK Rowling is better at creating a fictional currency system. Maybe that's one of the reasons George has been so butthurt about her for over a decade.
>>218452307it's not even close
>>218451712that shit was ridiculous
>>218451712uhhhh... inflation?
>>218451712Buy in? Raymun is from a small house secondary branch and was able to buy dunk a horse without sweating
>>218452809that horse was only worth as much as a helmet and neck guardit wasn't a very good horse
>>218451180Bobert grew up in the Vale, so there's a further degree of separation discounting Stannis' autism; and there's a generational gap with Renly.
>>218443396>>218443559>>218443657
>>218444476>Bran>I don't even know what him being king means.
>>218444825lol, that never gets old.
>>218444968>the lemoncake that rides
>>218444235Too young
>>218445200>Why do autists think the North has the ability to build a canal that long?
>>218445588>Maybe she was supposed to die.
>>218447050>An agrarian society wouldn't survive these climate changes.Planetos with its years long winters would be virtually uninhabitable even by modern human. Anyplace outside of the tropical belt of the planet would be little more than a research station.
>>218453553How many do you think are 1) still alive and 2) still the same gender
>>218447622>The weirwood thing gets retconned already within the first book. In the first Catelyn chapter she thinks about how there are no weirwoods south of the Neck, but then in the last Catelyn chapter of AGoT we learn that there's a weirwood in her childhood home of Rriverrun and that some Riverlanders still worship the old gods. It's one of many errors, contradictions and other weird "first-bookisms" of the earlier books.We're told the Andals chimped out and chopped down all the weirwoods in the South, then we get a description of Harrenhal with massive weirwood rafters and such.
>>218451180>he never loved RobertDid he ever say this? It's quite obvious that deep down Stannis craved for his popular and charismatic brother's approval
Can I get uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>218450351How come 99% of fan art is shit?
>>218444825aged like fine wine
>>218450875>If AKOTSK season 2 is bad I'll never watch or care about this shit ever againI think HBO learned their lesson with S01 of dunk and they will put a lease on the hack showrunner to prevent any more of his stupid shit.
>Gay king>Has a Rainbow Guard
>>218451180>Stannis
>>218453887>Did he ever say this?Yes, in his very first small council meetinghttps://youtu.be/cDVvvjhsOAc?si=UzSvHs45L0o84-i7
Why are gender swap art is so hot
he was Gay Renly Baratheon?
King's Landingers are subhumans. All the scum of the Crownlands gathered there when it was still under construction, and the reign of Jahaerys expanded the city allowing more scum from the rest of the Seven Kingdoms and Essos to funnel in and create a filthy mongrel race of inhuman barbarians who will lash out and start killing, raping, and eating everyone at the mildest of inconveniences and with absolutely no self-control or self-preservation. No other major city in Westeros is like this. Lannisport, Oldtown, Gulltown, White Harbor, they all have completely normal humans.Truly, Aerys II had the right idea.
>>218454142Married Margaery Tyrell and left her a maiden
>>218454142NO!!!!
>>218454142he was gay, Daemon II?
How far do you think they'll go with this? I want to see young adult to middle aged Aegon V threaten to come down there and tell Tytos Lannister to stop being retarded three times.
>>218454204depends how good sworn sword and mystery knight are, if they hit the same strides as season 1, i give it a 50% chance you will get your wish
>>218454215Think they recast Egg or take a pause and let Deb grow a bit?
If I was Tywin Lannister I would marry Olenna just to troll Cersei.
>>218454258tywin would first need to be based to pull that off
>>218454253They could easily recast him for a time and then take a hiatus and bring him back. If they adapted Sword Sword and Mystery Knight he would be 14 at the end of them.Then they could do another couple of seasons, take a 2 year hiatus and he would be 20.
>>218454253>Deb?
>>218454290Dex (autocorrect)
>>218454145dangerously based
Is supposed to be this skilled warrior and he jobs in his first battle.Is there a bigger fraud than Daemon Blackfyre?
>>218454674Be prepared to be inundated with responses about how Bloodraven "cheated" and "muh honor" and other crybaby Blackfyre bullshit.
>>218454674>Arthur Dayne dies in first combat>Darkstar can only fight children>Rhaegar dies to first enemy that wants to harm him>Selmy currently didn’t do shit for 5 booksThat’s like most legendary fighters in GRRM works
Alright because the earlier discussion about language, I tried to give the seven kingdoms Tolkien-like names.So the crownlands would become>RîdorThe Westerlands>AnnuirathThe riverlands >CelondorThe Vale>ImrathThe Iron Islands>AngtollThe Stormlands>AlagodorThe North>ForodThe reach>Raethacil
>>218454276>be tywin around when midge comes to kangz landing>slip and hit your head in the privy>fine but get a sudden moment of clarity >get over muh dead wife>stop seething about tyrion>realize that jimmy and high c are fucking>have to unfuck things fast>decide to marry old lady tyrell>tell give her spiel on pragmatism and tell her you will give marcella to loras and over look him being a fag if she overlooks the incest>slap the shit out of jimmy and tell him to get the fuck back to casterly rock marry some noble broad and pump out some legitimate non-incest children >slap the shit out of high c and tell her that if she ever even looks at jimmy the wrong way again he will have her sent to dorne to marry some goatfucker>don’t apologize to tyrion due to pride but lay off him a bit>plot to kill joffrey with olenna>and set up midge with tommy
I will just saySer Criston Cole of the Kingsguard was RAPED by Rhaenyra and Allicent, they used their position of power over him to coerce him into having sex against his will. literal textbook example of rape
>>218454674>Is there a bigger fraud than Daemon Blackfyre?Ser Ryam Redwyne. He was used as the number one example of the greatest knight that ever lived during the first few books and then Fire & Blood comes out and all he gets in Jaehaerys' chapters is that he won a couple of peace time tourneys, was co-champion in another one and chopped off the dick of a fellow Kingsguard that fathered bastards in a 6 v 1.
>>218454838Except Criston Cole who low diffed every great knight of his age.
>>218455203Because he wasn’t legendary knight. Which means he could actually do shit on pages
>>218443862Apparently it was already in possession of the Targaryen family before that particular dark sister wielded it, so I guess whoever named it just got really lucky visenya ended up being it's owner
House of the Dragon would've been kino if they had just let Alicent and Rhaenyra be the evil power hungry girlbosses they were always meant to be
>>218455307And show their tits
>>218453872That too, yes.I wish people wouldn't praise grrm's shit worldbuilding so much, and would stop coddling him about his failure as a writer in regards to twow. The fatman still goes to conventions to let himself get worshipped as a celebrity. When that tranny a whil ago asked him if he has plans to hand twow off because he'll die soon people went mad and grrm cries about it as if he got traumatised. He should get way more exposure to the real public opinion about him. Most fans have turned soure on him, and he's become the laughing stock of the writer's world.
>>218455307yeah just make all the characters unlikeable or dumb that worked great in GoT.
>>218451786I can't remember, but was it ever explained HOW Anguy took his money?Like I doubt the guy was gonna haul a cart of gold coins around, like does Westeros have a banking system besides dealing with the Iron Bank in Braavos?For a guy who gets meme'd on for his "what is Aragorn's tax policy?" George really doesn't worldbuild as much as he should.
Thank the gods for ai. We can do full on porn of (book accurate) Dany and Drogo now:https://www.reddit.com/r/AiPornhubvideo/s/yVpunJ5Zr7
>>218448931hot and all but why?
>>218447943I think its probably something like only five cities are considered "officially" cities, with a charter and everything, while there's plenty of big towns that normally would be city sized but not called it.Like during the Dance era the Velaryon's Spicetown was booming enough that it should have been classified as a city, but they never officially named it one.
>>218445986Especially because in that world every single rebellion until Robert's seems to fail
>>218445997I never got how Jaime was supposed to win the throne, he doesn't seem to have any kind of claim whatsoever (unless the Johanna+Aerys theories were actually endgame at the beginning)
>>218446147I specifically remember Catelyn boat and Eyrie's rides being described in painfully boring detail in the first book, so if that was already considered teleportation I'm good with that, we don't need to be with the characters for every minute detail that happens in their lives
>>218446245At least Turion meets Young Griff along the way, Brienne in AFFC is just chapter after chapter of nothing happening with no clear endgame in sight and when it finally threatens to go somewhere and be interesting the book ends (no the broken men speech doesn't make up for it)
>>218455711what's worse that we know that neither Arya nor Sansa are in Riverlands so reader knows this search goes nowhere
>>218446661Sure, but because Tyrion meeting Aegon is the only remotely exciting thing to happen in that book we have been condemned to 15 years of fans speculating that every single member of his crew is actually secretly someone else in disguise
>>218446692Yeah, her inclusion made sense when her invasion was supposed to be the focus of the second book in a trilogy but by now it's just a lot of filler in what are already very big books, and if the fat men ever deigns himself to finish the books it seems her invasion will just be a small blip before she helps defeat the Others and then goes crazy and dies
>>218446713I like them, especially because it seems like the only plot that actually progressed in ADWD, but grrm really needs a better pov that actually describes the cool things they are doing besides old Griff if he wants to make it exciting
>>218446791How the hell is winter town even still standing if it goes unoccupied for like 10 years in a row?
>>218455802I kinda forgot that we're still in Game of Thrones part of a trilogy, even with Winds sample chapters
>there's no scrapped 5 year timeskip, no Meereenese knot, a quarter of the book got cut from ADWD and he is worried about the show catching up to him. There is no way that Winds will take as long as the last two books/got/... I dreamed I was old
>>218448140Even though the location makes no sense, it still becomes the place where some of the most important historical events took place and the first place to be occupied when war breaks out for some reason. I guess the ironiggers were onto something
>>218449279What a waste of a pov chapter and character
>>218449424Why did we even need to spend so much time with Quentyn's party?
>>218455991to subvert the heroes journey
>>218451385That would actually be hilarious if the profecy was real but it was Aemond's, out of every single other Targaryen's line, the promised one
>>218451199The seeds of every bad and whacky shit that happened in season 2 were already present in season one, but there was also a lot of promise in it for something good. So, it's more a case of the writers deciding to develop the worst parts of their story
>>218454018I know we're still in the honeymoon phase here but AKOTSK had plenty of dumb and boring filler and know it has an incredibly annoying and online fan base, so never say never to it going to shit
>>218453672I'm partial to sansa marries young griff, it would explain the hateboner she had Daenarys in the show
>>218443332>You know, Duncan, with knight's vows comes a knight's responsibility. Bloodraven calls it "the Valyrian's burden." Myself, I just call it as I see it: the responsibility of the liege lord to discipline the vassal.>Baelor looks directly at the camera.>Aerion, the Blackfyres, the Peakes...It's our responsibility to civilise them. And if we can't? Then they shall dangle in the Godswood. The Day of the Dragon is near, Duncan. We'll have every Blackfyre sympathiser in the Seven Kingdoms loyal or dead in ten years, and may the Seven have me slain by my own brother's hand on the 'morrow if I am wrong. The Father bless Daeron the Good.Can't believe they kept this line in the show adaption.
>>218453999The fan base is mostly shit tbf
>>218455883Yup there's no way that grrm finishes the story even if he hadn't lost all interest in writing. By now he must regret not having cut both Dany and Jon and just focused on his war of the roses fanfic (the parts he seems actually interested in)
>>218455838Starks obviously maintain it.I mean it's the ultimate way of keeping people in line besides having more swords than them, if they don't bend the knee then they won't get to live in Wintertown which means their entire family freezes to death
>>218455961Yeah it's almost impressive how full of hopium we were without even knowing
>>218456007Why couldn't he at least make them interesting? Was it being boring as fuck part of the subversion?
>>218456228Maintaining an entire uninhabited town with a very limited number of people seems like a tall order for niggers that can't even maintain their own castle towers
>>218456122Sansa will be propositioned by either Targ(Jon or Aegon) based on AKOTSK champions houses theory
>>218456259maybe it's because they have to maintain a town that they can't afford to rebuild the tower
>>218456259That reminds me: Fortified churces in late medieval germany could have so called "Gaden" (pic related): Little one-room houses along the interior of the curtain wall. Sometimes even with a cellar. People could live here when they had to flee into the church because of a raid. The Gaden were build and maintained only by the village/town elite though. Poor peasants could not maintain TWO houses at once, and presumably had to camp on the graveyard etc. while under siege. I don't think it's very plausible that a broad swath of the peasant population around winterfell could maintain a (far away) townhouse in addition to their normal place of residence.
>>218456399>I don't think it's very plausible that a broad swath of the peasant population around winterfell could maintain a (far away) townhouse in addition to their normal place of residence.Isn't the implication that the Winter Town is the Stark version of Fuggerei? As in they front 100% the upkeep and it's a charity thing for winter.So yeah I agree with >>218456346, maintaining that plus the entirety of Winterfell is probably why some of the latter doesn't get maintained.Also was it just me who misread the books originally and envisioned Winterfell's two walls as having the winter town within the first wall? I still prefer that because it feels more comfy anyway.
The idea that you can just easily own a holiday home for the whole family is probably grrm's boomer mindset.
>>218456421Starks of old build a fucking wall, Winterfell and Storms End.Starks right now can't maintain a fucking towerWhat happened?
>>218456430nobles had many homes, its not unrealistic at all
>>218456441I think you already know the answer
>>218456441Catelyn Tully happened>>218456444The Winter Town isn't for nobles anon
>>218456421>Isn't the implication that the Winter Town is the Stark version of Fuggerei? As in they front 100% the upkeep and it's a charity thing for winter.That's a good point. I'm not sure if it's spelled out in the books like that. The wiki atleast doesn't mention who pays for all of this. This also gives the Starks a lot of soft (and if needed: hard) power over the peasants. They take them all in and house them over winter .... if you're a good little goy. >>218456444We're talking about maintaining an entire town for 10k+ people that stands empty for years. You need to pay a constant staff of builders to fix the roofs etc.
>>218456509>You need to pay a constant staff of builders to fix the roofs etc.At the very least it's the time when the roofs need the least maintenance, compared to winter where there'd be constant snow weight on them.
>>218456464>>218456509right my bad, it still makes sense for a world with weird seasons like this, the smallfolk farm in summer and in winter shelter in the town being fed by the winterfell grain, this system wouldn't be needed further south but in the north its impossible to transport food/travel around in winter
You'd also just need people to scoure the whole town regularly to drive out animals and illegal squatters.
>>218456509>They take them all in and house them over winter .... if you're a good little goy.adds a whole new dimension to the house words...
>>218456576This is why I also like my headcanon that it's inside the first of Winterfell's walls, it'd mean there'd be more control over who enters and leaves. Which is the reason main reason aside for defence that walled cities existed historically, it was a tax barrier and control over peasants entering the city.
The wiki does the maths on the population:>Less than one in five homes are occupied in A Game of Thrones, Bran V, when Bran Stark rides to the wolfswood. Luwin later states in Bran VI that Robb Stark's initial army (which is around 12,000 men), when quartered in the settlement, are numerous enough that "the winter town is full to bursting". This occurs during late summer (with autumn arriving in A Clash of Kings, Bran I). Given that four fifths of the winter town's housing would be available for the army with the last fifth being occupied by the civilians who normally live there,[2] the town might therefore house 15,000 people at maximum capacity.
>>218456643That’s a big medieval town
>>218456662GRRM can't do maths (or tax policy)Hence why there's only 5 cities in Westeros and they're all in the 100k+ population range. Or why the Mander doesn't flow into the Blackwater as it logically should you fat fuck.
>>218456662>>218456662>>218456662>>218456662
BAKE THE DAMN THREAD BEFORE I PISS MYSELF!
>>218453833only if she's crazy in bed
>>218456697Here's your new thread, usurper>>218456711>>218456711>>218456711
>>218456716>>218456716
>>218456717>>218456720Which is the One True General?
>>218456717>>218456720you IDIOTS!
Last digit determines the true generalodd >>218456717even >>218456720
>>218456717>>218456720>>218456731I'm posting in the dubs thread
are there no true threads among you??
>>218456752First one already got dubs retard, you support a usurper
>>218448844This art has me thinking, would ASOIAF be more better as a light novel series?>still unfinished, but 150 or so pages a year>less explicit rape, but still plenty of horny sections, now with illustrations>yakuza publishers force martin-sensei to write under threat of death
>>218456717>>218456720The first thread is a bit older and has dubs, so we should take that one.
>>218447897I recently finished fire and blood and really liked it. Thought about starting this but with all the illustrations itd be a waste to read an epub, so I'll probably pick it up if I can find it cheap
>>218455347making the characters evil and cruel was far from the biggest problem in GoT. Cersei was a bitch and people loved her. Bobby was an asshole and is one of the most popular character. Hell, Ramsey is one of the most evil characters in the show and he's an insanely popular character
