Heresy Edition>Latest patch https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/97-patch-notes-4-0-new-content-for-operations>September community update:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/93-september-community-update>First developer Q&A:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/84-message-to-the-community-a-first-q-a>Roadmap:https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2183900/view/4238536974144553830>Where to get the game:https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2>Lore Stuff:https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Pagehttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - compilation of Dudes and information on how to submit themhttps://rentry.org/dudewallsm2g
Are reddit niggers too busy shitting and crying about the new difficulty to complain about the lack of Volkite?
>>498755223I am fortifying this thread.
Previously on /sm2g/>>498565941
>>498755223Sex with space elves
If a Bulwark or Assault joins your Lethal game make sure to kick them since their class is useless
>>498755518I won't.
Are Vanguard's viable on Lethal? I'm gonna say no. Seems like Heavy Melta, Tactical Melta, and Sniper Lasfusil are the go-to classes.
>>498755223No way fag.
>I only host games>I kick all other classes that join who aren't tactical or sniperGuess my class
>>498755223Would get bllamed for.
2XJCCLooking to try out inferno difficulty. Lets see how shit the changes. Pls dont make me play with randos...
Are fags here seriously kicking people over class choices? Bitchmade move.
>>498755934>human>5'8I wish...
>>498755950No it's just one sperg spamming that shit hoping it catches on so he feels validated
alright calm down
>>498755359pistols aren't that exciting in general, are they. Do we know how is it going to work? Is it going to be a raygun like in boltgun: the game?
>>498756037K i n o
Will say, armor boosts are now likely invaluable mid horde. Save them if you find them then only pick them up in a pinch.
Get ready for your daily dose tonight! Testing new lethal difficulty and mission! Bring whatever you want, the apothecarion welcome all.
>>498756037what? didn't the patchnotes say two extremis max? What's next, six neurothropes?
>>498755934The emperor is as tall as a normal human actually but his psyker powers are just so strong he can make himself look this massive.There is some lore about a blank seeing the emperor on the throne and he just looks like a normal guy to her.
>>498755950You don't get it because you don't understand the mindset of a straban player whose only concern is their score at the end. It's similar to a chinese bugman>TacticalHelps buff their own damage, aka his npc buffbot>SniperDeals with the ranged creeps in the back which too lowly for him the multimelta main character spamming in every horde
>PVE Chuds>The sky is falling the sky is falling>NOOOO REE HELL DIVERS THEY RUINED THE GAME REEEEE>PVP Chads>Hmmm thanks for the quick nerfs to the power fist my good sir, but please can we have some maps? They gotta drop PVE focus im telling you, the PVP bros only need more maps and cosmetics.
>>498755223new OP is fun
>>498756064It's got to do something the others don't.
During Termination (new Operations mission) when you reach the last segment (fighting Biotitan) you must replace your main weapon with the targeting system. Good luck doing this solo when you have a Ravener+2 Zoanthropes spawn.Yes you read that right, on Lethal you can have multiple Extremis simultaneously>pic related, two Raveners
>>498756183*zoantropes
>>498756239>tactical with that much melee damage and almost no ranged damagewtf was he using
>>498755938>Decide to quick match Lethal>Get a game of Lethal Inferno>One level 9 Assault and 11 Sniper>They keep rushing aggroing everything>A couple of warriors and a massive wave spawn>2 Zoantropes and 2 lictors spawn as well.I should have just left...
They should have made the helmet rewards the Errant armor instead of it just being damaged Tacticus. I wanted to see the old marine chuds suffer trying to get it
>>498756282OH FUCK YES! COUNT ME IN!
>>498756282>Yes you read that right, on Lethal you can have multiple Extremis simultaneouslyK I N O
>>498756239ah yes, a fellow Imperial Fist.
>>498756353bolter with nade launcher I think
>>498756187There is plenty of stories with people seeing him with different heights and appearances.We don't know what his real one is.But given the primarchs are his sons and they are fuckhuge...
>Load in with multimelta>Spam in every horde, refuses to let team get a single execute>grab every ammo drop>grab every stim>beeline for the relic>refuses to do a single objective because that would affect his damage uptime, errands are for bitches>refuses to kick the rock wall in inferno so he can get a headstart running ahead>open mic and scream at the tact who doesn't use auspex at his every whim, you had only one job etc>types 'you're welcome for the free carry :)' when the thunderhawk drops down to the platform>Takes screenshots to brag aboout his score>go to sm2g and try to gaslight everyone that they're equally as meta as tactical and sniperReminder that all heavy players are chinese bugmen and deserved to be gassed.
>>498756464That makes it even more disturbing
>>498756353A chainsword, I’d say.
>>498756493but brother, I use a heavy bolter...
>>498756064I think the main problem is that the trailer and roadmap showcased the DA Cosmetics and New Weapon as being important parts of the first major update (I don't count the shitty arena as a major update). Only for them to backpedal after showcasing them with the mission trailer and say they'll add them later down the line, because of ??? reasons.
>>498756158I'll be here Doc.
>Knife heavy attacks buffedNigga what, heavy attacks were already so strong with its heavy combo.
>>498755223sex
>remove the squad coherency mechanicThere, Lethal is now the perfect difficulty
>>498756594
>>498756623Tell the truth anon, are you one of the 'good' heavies or are you a stereotype like in the greentext?
>>498755223and cute
Is the multiple extremis thing only lethal?
>>498755950Terminally online losers identify with their choice of space man and they need to put down all other choices of space man as suboptimal, like that matters in recreation.I'm assuming it's a neet with no better outlet for his labor.
>>498756726Even as a vanguard main I find it strange that this class has more perks catering to melee damage than bulwark, a dedicated melee class
But...Straban and Decimus get along.
there's no stereotype. A stereotype would imply there are multiple people sharing a belief. You're just one underage poster who noticed he no longer can farm (Yous) by posting about toilet paper.
>>498757006>Sprouting r*ddit rhetoric muh casual entertainment reee>even does the classic r*dditor pattern of ascribing an insulting archetype at the end of the commentGo back
game is fucked after the patch, its just stuck in a not responding loop when the process is in focus, until i tab out, then it starts working again.
>>498756992>Added Lethal difficulty for Operations>Major highlights of it:>Ammo Crates have limited refills per player.>Majoris enemies can become enraged and will be more deadly and harder to kill.>Armour restores from finishers only if you stay close to your battle-brothers.>Overcoming such a challenge will grant you new cosmetics…According to Patch notes seeing as it's in a different section I don't think so
>>498757093Irrelevant. Straban fucked this retard's mom or something so he has to come here and try to poison the well against the heavy class
>notorious samefag projects his insecuritiessad to seesubhumans don't deserve a (You)do everyone here a favor and rope
>>498757029Bulwark is more of an apocathery and support class than a melee specialist.
Legion of the Damned cosmetic pack when?
>>498757469
>assault gunstrike perk doesnt work if your team isnt aroundlollmao even
>>498757398>SupportYeah I remember that being one of my biggest disappointments on release. I was so hyped to be a bladeguard veteran ripping my way through hordes with my power sword and bulwark wasn't like that. He just stands there and spams parry to proc shock nades. It's good all things considered but it's not the melee powerhouse fantasy I was looking for
>>498757551Got it.
>>498757469>The devs can't add braziers to Dark Angels and he expects them to make a whole flaming aestheticNever
Unironic question from someone thinking about getting this game - is it actually fun to play same 8 or so missions?
I think this patch has destroyed my confidence in this game and their devs"Squad cohesion" feel like a retarded annoying gimmickAmmo crate being one-time use is gonna destroy weapon balance even moreMelta bomb nerf is pure nonsense, the only reason why you'd carry it is to blow up bosses and now it cant even do that
>>498757823yes for the first 100 hours
any new cosmetic yet?
>>498757823>play same 8 or so missionsThere's only 7
>>498757991A new scarred Primaris helmet and some knee cosmetics that don't even unlock.
>>498757882I dont understand its the hardest difficulty so why should it be catering for it to be easy?
I can feel already that Lethal is not going to be popular. Already, the queue times are noticeably long. Huge mistake asking people to do it without any incentive besides curiosity and the shittiest helmet you've ever seen. It's gonna be a ghost town once everybody gets their one-and-done for the cosmetic knee patches, which do not even work right now by the way.
>>498757895Is there at least some variety? E.g different paths to take or randomised minibosses? Because I honestly don't see myself playing the same mission more than 2 times.
Do the changes to ops mode apply to SP mode?
>>498758097I know you're a disingenuous cunt but, for your information, "hardest difficulty" does not mean carte blanche for implementing the dumbest mechanics
>>498758097It shouldn't be easy but it should be fun
>>498758248wait is the squad thing for all modes now? lmao
>>498758160Thats why you post code or get friends that are good to play it. Hardest difficulty shouldn't be a cakewalk with randos
>>498758097>I dont understandYeah you dont, I never asked for "easy", but I dont want retarded changes either>>498758298It's both in ruthless and lethal
>>498758160>knee patches, which do not even work right now by the way.shame they locked the one actually important for lore-accurate squad markings behind this bullshit. Hopefully the difficulty will be reduced, again, in the next patch.
>>498757882>Ammo crate being one-timeAre you sure? I've seen them used multiple times on Lethal. You can see the boxes inside it go away with each use even. Haven't had a chance to play it myself yet sadly.
>>498758298No just Lethal. >>498758368Stop lying you cunt I just did a ruthless run and its not there
Does campaign get lethal mode as well?
Take the PVP pill already, the devs need to stop catering to this shit. PVE is a bust and if it wasnt this patch another one down the line would cause a shit show. The oddest thing is whoever is on the PVP balance team they seemingly know where to find the issues and stop them. They touched on Vanguards grapple stun in a week, they just nerfed the power fist/melee cancel shit with bulwark.The PVE missions also seem to require to much work for them, all PVP chads need is what? At least a couple more maps and we are fine.
>>498755934custodians aren't taller than primaris on averageprimaris are not 9' tall, but 8' tallfirstborn are not 8' tall, but 7' tallthe emperor is a normal man bloated on psychic energies, he's inconsistent and he appears different depending on the observer
>>498758368Wait they ruined ruthless with this squad cohesion faggotry too?
>>498756464>bolter with nade launcher I thinkBased
>>498758451I think it's three uses, since using it once visibly empties the crate by about a third of the ammo inside of it.
>>498758521Dont forget they also nerfed the Snipers invisibility cloak from the SMG thing. They just need to touch shock grenades and the PVP is up to snuff.
>>498758553No my bad, it's just the ammo thing they added to ruthless"Cohesion" is lethal only
>>498758563It appears to calculate ammo, I shot one bolter round into the ground > reloaded > used crate and I could've repeated that multiple times. Only once I came back after heavy fighting did I notice multiple boxes inside the crate disappear as I used it.What I want to know if crate ammo is divided across all players - can someone else dump their ammo like an idiot and not let me refill at all?
>>498757882Who gives a shit its optional. Just say you're a casual and move on.
>>498758757>Ammo Crates have limited refills per player.
>>498758714Thank god.
>>498758521it is likely no more than 10% of the player base regularly plays eternal war
Assault is unplayable on lethal holy fuck what is wrong with the devs
>>498758836>Who care if it's bad, just dont play it!Shut the fuck up retard
>>498758521Yes, you and the 3 others who enjoy destiny pvp community, wow pvp community and every other dead pvp community in a PvE game. No one cares, go play CoD or that new chink BF clone.
>>498758757It looks to be a shared crate. The patch notes made it sound like each player got 2 uses for themselves, but looking at how the crate changes when anyone uses it makes me think it's shared. Have yet to see this become a problem in a game.
>>498758521I want to remind everyone that SM1 multiplayer survived purely on 7 maps for over a decade. PVP chads are loyal PVE troony loonies will migrate to another epic pve incursion and freak out at a patch there too
>>498759003It doesnt suck just because you're bad. You suck, we get it. Everyone else is having fun and you can't join in so stick with the easy modes and stop trying to ruin it for others. Dumb casual.
>>498758521Unless we're playing quake I'm not touching PvP ever again.
>>498759018Can't wait for the PvP tranny meltie that'll happen once the new PvP updates come out.
>>498758542I RECOGNISE THAT INTERSPECIES BLOWJOB
>>498759018Don't overthink it. it's just a client-side indicator, each of you see the contents of the crate differently. Some designer cunt who doesn't even play vidya said it would be a more immersive, organic way than a plain number displayed above the crate and the suits went with it.
doing the new mission on lethal for the first time, so don't expect a win lolBXJKB
Shame that the campaign is so short. The story was really engaging and the levels are very nicely designed. It could have been twice as long and I wouldn't have minded one bit.
>have to be up your teammates ass crack for the armor regen>nerfed melee>cant regen armor with assault if not close enough>spawns are super obnoxious now>limited ammoThe game is going the way of helldivers at this rate
>>498755746faggot?
Where the fuck are my thunder claws ?
>>4987601822 more weeks. But they'll probably add them with the Raven Guard pack (they are going to be worse than the Power Fist to compensate for how cool they look)
>>498760182>>498760304Monkey's Paw, you can't take them as a pair
>>498760182Where are my power klaw feet
>Trying to solo Lethal>Keep getting Sniper and Heavy bot combo>They always stay far as predictedThis is impossible bros...
>unlock Lethal difficulty cosmetics, get directed to buy it in heraldry>there is no page for it in heraldry, it just ends you to successor chapter screen and nothing happens>DLC I own is showing as unowned, click the button to be directed to purchase it>it redirects to the steam store page for SM2
>>498758183No.
Somebody post a fucking code so I can do lethal with competent niggas
https://youtu.be/Codlk0BL-Og?si=avFiTPtN89JIFzKi
>>498756467>primarchs are his sons and they are fuckhuge...They are test tube designer babies, it doesn't count for much.Iirc somewhere his actual appearance was described as an overworked middle aged office worker, which fits desu.
>>498761283play bulwark
>>498758183There's random bosses, random minibosses, random wavesSome objectives have variations aswell, like adding an extra wave of setting up bombs
>run lethal inferno with no team deaths first time as heavy bulwark assault with voice comms>heres your 2 yellow armory cores and xp you dont needThe fuck? this isnt even hard...Dead game
>>498761561Wageslaving rn, brother anon.
>>498757823Potentially yes.I clocked in over 160 hours and I haven't played in the last 2 weeks.
>>498762142You still only get 2 yellows on lethal? Then what's the point?
>>498762258Unlocking the shittiest helmet and bragging rights online.
>>498762142>run inferno>this isnt even hardlollmao even
>>498762316>bragging rights for completing pve content thats roughly as difficult as co-op legendary halo no skulls.Pretty low bar
Is this a kino cosmetic for Lethal difficulty?
>they add Gold as primary option>it's the wrong shadeArghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>498763025KekI had a brother join team running around with the username Lidl Custodes in that full brass colouring.
completed inferno on lethal, decal didn't unlock>captcha 0XPJJ
>They changed Ushabti to be a bland white instead of the tasteful bone colorI dont think I can go on with this game anymore
Ok. 5 games with lethal so far, my team always had trouble with hive tyrant, but i think i can give feedbacks to dispell some misinfo ive seen in the thread.1) ammo cache is not shared. You do not steal others ammo.2)there is a set amount of ammo in the cache, not usage limited. For example, picking up ammo when you have 0 rounds left vs when you are only missing a mag does not use the same amount of ammo. My theory that its based on your missing total ammo for BOTH weapons. I suspect so because when i was playing heavy picking up when i had half my heavy bolter (700 round variant) spent, it only took like 4 or so crates, but with assault i used a bit more. Further testing needed, but it is absolutely NOT going to ruin your run. Ammo is plenty in the cache.3)there can be upwards of 3 extremis at once. I have to admit, im quite intrigued by this new difficulty. The cohesion mechanic was a good way to tell whos a shitty carried by his gear vs genuinely good players. Lethal is a great way to get actual coop gameplay. If your team stay glued together, it really isnt that much harder than ruthless.In most cases, the reduced armour isnt that big a deal. Venom cannon sniper becomes extremely deadly now, however. I suspect the ranged damage reduction perk will become pretty handy in the next few weeks.Im not a fan of the red aura atm. They just gain massive poise. Not sure if its a defence or damage buff as well but this makes melee gameplay just that much more annoying, since they always go into rage mode when theyre the last person alive.Heavy becomes a immensely powerful for me, because bond of brotherhood suddenly became s++ tier for me. Reviving at full health means you have more room for mistake, since mortal wounds can be healed, guaranteed.Not a fan of the 5 minutes respawn time. Dog shit artificial difficulty. Oh, and when youre last man standing you literally cannot get armour by execution. Now thats a serious oversight.For nids, a 8/10 experience.
>>498763348I'm willing to bet they don't want to add actual Gold as primary because of "m-muh Custodes", but I don't want Custodes. I want my canon Blingmarines.
Why are you guys bitching about the limited ammo in the crates? That's how it literally is in WWZ Aftermath.
Please refrain from defending the cohesion mechanic
>>498763592>3)there can be upwards of 3 extremis at once.>campaign mode tells us that lictors hunt alone>go into my first lethal game>3 lictors jump us at the same timemight as well call them Von Ryan's Leapers now
EWT95 lethal
>>498764105Ive not seen more than 1 lictor at once, but ive seen 3 raveners (as anon has posted here already), 2 zoanthrooe + ravener, 2 zoan + 1 lictor i think.
lol
>nigger vanguard takes a stim even though i have a mortal woundI can't even with these randoms
>they changed the positions of the fast travel locationsWhat the fuck. Now my muscle memory's screwed.
>>498762142>No proofsFake and gay
>>498764370Just ran into 2. I subsequently got shot to death.
>>498765006>Hierophant leaving behind lingering AoE damage is a dick move above allIndeed, especially when it hits the area for charging the cannons
cohesion distance is like barely longer than a warrior whip attack if you defend this you are a subhuman
Heavy was good but I want to fucking murder the Bulwark, I haven't seen so many awful banners in a long time. I wasn't exactly without blame either, I got separated from the Heavy when it was down to the two of us which eventually cost us the game.Hierophant leaving behind lingering AoE damage is a dick move above all, considering how frugal it is with shooting/how much area it covers
>>498765179maybe stop rushing ahead speedrun tranny
Also Warrior kill priority is now Barbed Strangler > Devourer > VC, that shit lingers forever and deals insane damage now that you have less armour and need to stick together
>Increased delay between announcer messages in PvP.GAME IS RUINED
>>498765729This has nothing to do with speedrunning you dumb nigger, you can be fighting in the s ame area but thats not teamwork because these faggots are retarded
Where the fuck is the Dark Angels shit?
Wheres the dark angels cosmetics?
>>498765895>>498765941Apparently they are coming in the following months, isn't that fun?
>>498766083Theres also no volkite pistol. Fucking god damn niggers.
>bulwark is a shitty healing class>not a melee classI'm thoroughly disgusted.
is shadow stab worth it on knife after the damage buffs
>>498766083Why advertise it as part of this patch, then? God damn it's like these faggots are trying to bait me into mailing them a booby trapped box of cat shit.
>>498766287>>498766083its next week
>>498766186>Apothecary will come and Bulwark will be nothing
>>498766338That's still retarded, if it's next week and they aren't adding any extra shit to it, then why delay it at all?
>>498765941What the fug
not so bad solo but chaos can absolutely go fuck itselfchaos is worse on lethal than it ever was before the big balance patchsaving the last mission for my friends
4I35ZLethal, new mission, then the other missions on lethal.
>>498755223Just driving by to dab on this soon to be dead game. Looks like the helldivers balance guy got a job at Saber. Too bad so sad. The squad cohesion thing in particular is laughably retarded and renders half the classes useless. Whoever dreamed it up should be bludgeoned to death with a stapler and their body thrown into a pit with the launch network team.
>>498766186Bulwark is a parry monster because of the AoE damage and shock fields.
>>498767389FUCKING PATCHING
>>498763019yes, complete every mission(except decapitation for some reason?) on lethal
>>498767475That doesn't make it a melee class.
>>498755518bulwark is the most powerful class in the game
>>498766619Its called content drip, to keep interest up. Goondivers also do this, despite many of the premium warbound items being present months before release. >>498765769Yeah, got it. Vc is not to be scuffed at either. Even with 3 armour hell 70% your hp. Weve had runs ruined by a single VC in the HT arena. I really hope they add in tying them up in melee when weve hit them with a melee attack. That double shot VC is very brutal.>>498766192It was always worth it, brother.
>finally get home to play>all my color schemes are fuckedthanks, guess every fucking patch will do this
I simply will not play Lethal until they remove cohesion.
>>498765941With the Volkspistol.
>>498768453Way to out yourself as That Guy.
>>498768453Good, stick to the noob difficulties.
>>498767389Get the fuck in here, 1 more
>Update the game so everyone needs to stick together and suck each others dicks>Don't add DA customisation
god dayum those armor changes on lethal are BRUTAL, you can't regen armor at all when you need to clutch like wtf bro
>>498769863Gonna start the game up so someone else joins and fills your game.No need to thank me.
>>498769178>>498769042You can't shame me.Cohesion is bad game design and anyone with self respect will not engage with it. Eat your sunhuman shit doesn't mean others should too.
>all these people being ousted as shittersyou love to see it
>>498770297The only people who hate cohesion with justification are two classes only. Everyone else, including (you), are just speed runners who ditch the team and fuck everything up every time.
/sm2g/ QUICK WE NEED TO COHESE
brothers we all must stand together forming a close triangle while switching weapons back and forth when we are on an elevator, it is for squad cohesion
You are now only allowed to play as Salamanders
>>498770297Don't worry, it's just shitposters who don't play the game
>>498770485Or he's literally any player that doesn't want to get fucked because speedrunners refuse to stay together, moron.
lore fags wanted true to lore, the devs are simply following table top rules of squad cohesion chuddies
>>498770905Stop playing with randos. Has the endless dicking from Tyrannids as they stand around drooling out of their mouths not clue you in how terrible the average player is?
brothers we must pull out our meat for the cohesive circlejerk it's for the mission
Where are you spastics seeing speedrunners in every match? Cohesion is still shit, simple as.
Can anyone confirm extremis enemies can spawn in pairs and more on difficulties lower than lethal?
*stands really close to you during the elevator ride**starts switching between primary and secondary weapon close to you, looking like I'm jerking off*"SQUAD MORALE RESTORED"This is for our squad cohesion, brothers!
>NO CHINAMAN STOP RUNNING FROM ME I NEED TO COHEEEEEEEEEEESE
>>498771979Based
>>498771482We just fought 3 Scarab Terminators in the end area of Vox Liberatis
i am a dark angels chad and i like squad cohesion. for the lion!
>lethal, chaos>team gets downed, low health>they figure it's over so they just leave>it gets easier now that I'm solo with botsbleak, grim even, how is horde mode even going to be alive when pub lethal is already dead
Chaos space marines are a total pain in the ass on lethal
Why did they add cohesion mechanic?This is garbage
Lethal with the squad cohesion thing isnt as bad as I thought but still, what the fuckThis is like 10m away and I'm still too far
>>498772764Likely as an attempt to force people to stay and work together. They underestimated how big of a retard the average player actually is
>>498773015Why is that brother speedrunning
im sure they will retract it, Saber are pretty quick with the patches desu especially if it is an issue. Im not the biggest doomposter but meh. I honestly think they made the patch 2 updates on purpose to see the reaction. When the dark angel/neo volkite comes they may retract it
>>498772764what do you mean anon? you don't like losing your only sustain as assault if you try to dive the backline????? you don't want to wait with your group while everything approaches and assrapes you from range so you can COHEEEEEESE????
>>498773015It's way worse, the bar has to be full or almost full for it to count
OH GOD I'M GONNA COHESEI'M FUCKING COHESING
>>498773151The distance just needs to be big enough to cover an entire zone. It should fuck over people who run off alone but not classes like assault and sniper who will logically fight away from the rest of the squad
>>498773138He's a vanguard doing vanguard things
>>498773373*unloads a fully charged plasma shot on you while standing close*OUR FAITH HOLDS US
>>498773151I dont think it's a doomed idea but they need to double the range atleast, I think it could work to punish people who truly get "lost" in the chaos of battle but as of right now you can all be fighting in the same room and still be considered a "broken squad"
>>498773138After seeing how this played out I think the chinks might just be bots programmed to speedrun. People who are not first timing this difficulty eventually cut back on running ahead although you still got them seething and openly complaining that they have to actually work as a team.
>>498770485All classes suffer.And if laffin at you thinking even here fags can "keep cohesion" when nobody uses mic and sometimes even types.Stop defending stupid shit.
>>498773138>speedrunningHe's 10m away from his teammate
>>498773612How is this shitty cohesion trash actually working as a team in your head? Are you retarded?
>>498770846>i-its just shitposters!!!Lmao. Cohesion ain't shit. Lethal is hard only because enemies do pre-Ruthless levels of damage.
>>498773138>that is speedrunningWhy am I surprised when you fags bitch about Anons from here "speedrunning" when they are that distance away from you from codes posted here.
>>498773719Thats the point, he clearly isn't yet for some reason that means the entire team doesn't get armor
>units on the tabletop have a squad cohesion requirement?>lets force a cohesion mechanic nobody wants into our coop game>melta is the dedicated anti-large weapon type on the tabletop?>fuck you melta nerfs, only good against gaunts nowWhy are they like this?
Lmfao they killed bulwark, assault, and vanguard in one patch. Russian subhumans proving once again they have no capacity for logical reasoning.
>>498773869Only the melta bomb got nerfed. So no more niche bombs while everyone risks the krak bug.
>>498773869They nerfed the melta bomb, not the gun. Which while still retarded, it's not as retarded as nerfing the gun again
Cohesion kills Sniper, the point of a las fusil is to actually snipe enemies from afarNow they're carrying a sniper rifle...for medium/close range
>>498773873Just don't play lethal.Reminder that they keep player stats. They'll know if the mode is dead.
>>498773869Cohesion only works because the models are the same unitIn SM2 you are different units, you can't run 3 Tacticals or Heavies
This game is going to be dead in within a week lmao.
>>498773956>>498773960They nerfed the meltagun and multimelta in the patch prior to this, I think that was specifically for the hive tyrant aka the prime target for melta weaponry on the tabletop
>>498773873>>498774031People are just going to run it once for the shitty ass helmetKnowing Saber they'll gatelock cosmetics behind Lethal ops
>>498772764the people rushing to the next checkpoint like decapitated chickens, hoping they can just roll fast enough to not instantly lose all of their health to ranged fire probably prompted it
Also just think about how both the Inferno and Decapitation missions have points where you WANT to split up. Hive tyrant fight for example.
I would literally balance the difficulty for free and better than what they have now. My only request is that I get advanced access to the Mk6/7 helmets.
I think everything in this update was pretty good except cohesion. dumb anti-speedrun strat
>>498774438You can also easily grief everyone now. So that's fun.
>>498774492>he thinks we're getting mk7 helmets
Why do devs care if bugs speedrun?They speedrun because they want to level up guns and weaponsIf weapons feel good and can kill shit they won't need to speedrun and actually use it to kill enemies
Oh and also how many of you fags have voice disable so consolefags don't blast their always on mic?Seriously how did they not think of this shit.
>>498773138>don't use Grappling Hook and just stick together like dumb niggers
>>498774643>Why do devs care if bugs speedrun?People were probably complaining in their discord so they 'fixed' it.
>>498774643speedrunning, as far as I've seen, is never actually successful, and is the cope strat of a guy who has no business even being on Ruthless, let alone Lethalevery time I get someone pushing ahead to the next checkpoint, they're throwing, they get cornered, and they die while complaining we didn't catch up with them quick enough to despawn the enemies
>AAAAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEEEEE WE'RE COHESINGGGGGG
Emergency patch incoming
Limited ammo on Ruthless has pretty much stopped gray/green powerleveling kek
>>498774827Speedrunning only works with bots, and I only do it when unlocking cosmetics.
>>498773830>>498773719hi i have autism too! its so nice for someone to raise awareness for our condition
>>498775765Cope
>>498774743>Seriously how did they not think of this shit.From how the classes and matching making are implemented, not very much apparently. The core systems of the game is very solid but it's the smaller things that infuriates me.
>>498775913not understanding irony is textbook autism
>>498776242And I'm saying Squad Cohesion is a good mechanic in my "Cope" post because of all of you are speedrunning trannies whenever I join your codes.
>>498776328projecting
>>498776328>delusional shill0.05 rubles have been delivered to your account comrade
>>498774438Either extend the range or make the cohesion mechanic objective specific (either/or I don't care).
>>498776387>>498776462Speedrun in Lethal and see where that takes you :) This is not GDQ.
>>498776502another 0.05 rubles have been deposited, good job tovarisch, keep it going and soon you can afford your meds
>>498776502Hi, I have autism too! It's so nice for someone to raise awareness about our condition. Sending hugs!
Lethal is great. Once again ranged units shredding you in two shots is kind of fucking annoying, but understandable. Having 3 Extremis spawn at once mid wave is fucking crazy but fun.Cohesion isn't an issue at all. Suicide diving as Assault/Vanguard isn't even viable on lethal because you'll get shredded too quick.Hope they don't concede to the casual shitters again and nerf the fuck out of it.
>>498776328Are you that fag that got mad two other fags left him behind on Vox?
>>498776502>>498776892samefag
>they nerfed fencingSo, back to Balanced it is?
>>498775031glad I've already leveled everything I want then
>>498776962>I'm shit at the game so im going to cry samefagSure!
Holy fuck the Cohesion zone is so small
>>498777265Biggest winners are those folks who maxed out all guns before this update.I can't even imagine leveling up all those trash bolt rifles even in Ruthless.
>>498777291Yes yes you suck the devs cock we get it.
>>498777301And yet still bigger than the assault Jetpack lift lmao
lethal is great, i love how it forces me to play the way the developers intended and not how i want to play
this is a great time to take a break from the game, maybe i'll finally try out the heckfallers updates
Discord raid or is /sm2g/ actually just full of shitters?
>>498777435make your own game speedrunning troon
>AYEEEE MY NARRATIVE IS COLLAPSING QUICK CALL THEM DISCORDReminder to not touch lethal until they remove cohesion. The fag devs will know.
>>498767389Thanks for runs, sorry for sucking COCK.
>>498777810Average dark angel fan
>>498777592AIEEE IM SO SORRY I MOVED OUT OF OUR SAFE SPACE RP ZONE
>>498777774Actually what is wrong with you?>>498777810>>498767389I had to go get some work done. Fun runs through. Tuff we blew it on the final section, though the Hierophant spamming the arena with snot was really annoying
Are engraged Warriors a thing on the tabletop?
>Ranged aids needle nidder enraged as I dash attack>Die in 2 bursts as he ignores my attackFuck me I guess
the chinks don't know how to point the icarus gunsi've seen a couple miss the hierotitan completelythen there's one asshole who was rolling the pylon himself with no coveralso saw one chink walk through the titan's goo shot
>>498778087I have self respect and don't engage with shit.And I encourage the same in others.
DESU they should make the cohersion zone smaller, make ammo crates shared between all players, and implement a feature similar to those old lego games that prevented you from moving 10 feet away from your coop partner
>>498778303>I have self respect and don't engage with shit.Ok then leave the thread bro.
>thought we would get mk7 helmets with lethal>it's more primaris shit
>>498778415Nah. You leave.
>>498778415>eat the slop or leave the thread
>>498778127Only women play nids, so we'll never know.
>>498778428It's Primaris all the way down, brother. I am sorry.
>triple lictor spawn right after the start of infernoHoly fuck this is awesome. Too bad about the cohesion thing, lethal would be great without it.
Stop speedrunning
>>498778764>Lictor>Not alone
>>498777810No worries. I kept getting randomly suckerpunched for all my hp from off screen.This new difficulty can be bullshit incarnate.>>498778087The booger rugs he lays down are fucking bullshit with these new swarms that can spawn multiple different types of extremis now and shred through hp in an instant. I got cornered by it while submerged in a swarm and then death was unavoidable.I'm sure it's just a learning curve though. Once we memorize the titan's patterns, it'll be second nature avoiding the boogers.
All the knee badges clearly don't work, is the helmet not going to work either once I unlock it?
Who else only doing lethal once for the cosmetics and never touching it again?Artificial difficulty is shit and every developer who resorts to it should be publicly flogged.
>/sm2g/ claims to be better than pubs>lethal difficulty filtering out all the shitters and meanwhile i have 0 issue with pubscurious
>>498778948These lichtors have abandonment issues
>>498779068I don't really see a point in any PvE mode except horde, so once I check off the list it's back to not playing this game except for PvP
IM COHESIONINGI MUST COHEEEEESE
guys please dont leave me behind you have to cohese with me
>>498779068You got the monkey's paw to grant you your wish.
>>498779178Coop games are Dunning-Kruger magnets. It's always like this.
>>498778989>>498778087Maybe sitting under the platform for the acid snot is the play? I've only played it 3 times now so unsure what the best strategy is. As soon as some goop gets between you and your bros it's really fucked.
>>498779218I wish the game had been delayed to launch with a horde mode. By the time it's out there won't be any players left at this rate
>>498779068I don't give a fuck about the helmet either.Ruthless is the true difficulty.
>>498779068Idk im probably not playing it again until cohesion is removed. Soloing with bots as sniper is boring. I was really hoping the vodka chimps were going to double melee damage with this patch or at least do something about weapon balance but it would appear making more than 3 weapons viable is beyond their capabilities.
>>498779178Two people just admitted they dont even play the game but have been shitting the thread up for the past 30 minutes lol
mom said you have to hold my hand through the newest difficulty or else you cant play
>>498779504Pretty much anyone who posts like this:>>498779226>>498779347Do not play games and are just shitposters who basically bring the quality of every board down by their presence.
>NO>Lictors hunt aloneTitus confirmed shitter.
>>498780098projecting
Now that I think about it, bulwark might be fine. Just glue yourself to someone and stay on them. Not as if you care.
>>498780157I've only see lictor +2 ravener spawns, so technically he's not wrong, it's not OTHER LICTORS, just other bugs
>>498780291It is other Lictors.
>>498780157Lichtors are just lone wolves who run together
brothers we must cohese
>>498780291Lictors can triple spawn now it's not just other bugs
People that like cohesion:Play the game. Has lots of friendsVery good at gamesPeople that dislike cohesion:Doesn't play the gameLoser shitpostersSucks at video games
Goes to show how much of a difference competent people do that can hold their own for a bit even without the armour restoration. Still got a bit hectic during the last sequence, the lingering AoE will take time getting used to for sure>>498779414Sitting under is one idea, the other is hugging the console where you get the targeting device
>>498780618TRVTH NVKE
>>498780098LolLmaoYou don't play this game. If you did you'd understand how cohesion is fucking dreadfulWhat happens to the gaubt spawns during hive? Cant split to handle themWhat about the defense during Decap or Inferno? Can't cover all entry points effectively and you gotta let yourself get swarmedGenerators in inferno? Can't have one guy clear the gen for efficiency.Shell loading bit in ballistic? The final areaFall of Atreus with the consoleYou're a faggot trying to justify a terrible mechanic and you're salty people are rightfully mocking it and you. Bet you've hit that report button too you're so salty amirite you snitch? Fuck off.
>>498780665For comparison: Inferno was much, much easier despite having to survive two separate segments on my own. Obviously a properly specced sniper is ideal for this, doesn't need incredible skill either
>>498780618I don't think anyone likes cohesion, the two groups are>people who can deal with cohesionand>people who seethe uncontrollably over cohesion
>>498780618I'd like if it gave a third of a armor when out of range, that would help the last man standing situation.I guess it's fine if they leave it though, ruthless is still too easy so it's good that the hardest difficulty busts your balls.
>>498780974It's a completely reasonable mechanic, especially on account of the fact that it's only present during the hardest difficulties.Many bad players got a free pass when they turned Ruthless into a fucking cake walk, and now that there's another actually hard difficulty out they're out in full force seething and crying.>>498780665The newest mission definitely seems harder overall. Longer sections, more enemies, etc.
>>498780212Actually I am basing this off my experience from wojak party, they perfectly match the bot posting over there.
>>498781352now that you mention it you do sound like someone who would go to a place called wojak party
>>498780618The problem is that I can't carry shitters if they are shitters AND retarded now which they almost always are.
>>498781768And the shills in this thread will convince you that's a good thing
Is the 2nd hardest difficulty more difficult now? Still leveling some weapons so I only did the 2nd hardest difficulty and it feels like the spawn rate of everything spiked super hard compared to before for the new mission.
You have the new power sword, right?
>>498778598Maybe we should the women of /sm2g/Huh, hello? Anyone?
>>498782450ESL
>>498782226They made the normal mode bug into a feature. Basically. All the complaints about cohesion are only applicable to lethal difficulty.
>>498782226Based on the damage I used to do and the damage now on ruthless, they increased the enemy count by +50%.
Did Lethal completely remove the UI hints (Extremis, Horde) or do I have to turn it back on in hints? Either way I don't mind it, audio cues are enough
Bros it's so over they nerfed your infinite armor and ammo and melta bombs devs are obsessed with balance
chaos ops in lethal is cock and balls torture self flagellation
>chaos, lethalif you don't have classes/guns that can delete the rubrics from a distance and instantaneously, you might as well not even queue up
fuck i love eldar women so much, brothers what the fuck
Wow thanks Saber. Once again clicking show in armor takes me nowhere and the icon is impossible to unlock.
I love cohesion so much bros, it really appeals to my huggy wuggy warm kumbaya space marine fantasy. I love holding hands with my brothers while we kill xeno
>>498783231You're so based and giga chad I bet you have to wear waterproof boots because of all the pussy you're walking through on the daily
>>498781768This isn't about carrying anything.Anyone defending cohesion is huffing pure copium and just convincing themselves CBT is good.People from this very thread have absolutely zero fucking coordination. I've seen idiots run ahead without looking back, or stay behind and not fucking keep up. From codes posted in this very fucking thread. And on top of that, nobody communicates through the mic because we're all autistic, and some don't even bother replying to fucking typed out shit.And this is in CODES from this thread. Now imagine the fucking shitpile that playing with randos is gonna be. On top of it all even if you have a well coordinated group of friends, Assault and Vanguard basically can't perform the point of their class (targeted deep strikes), Sniper and plasma/bolter heavy can't remain behind as required to provide cover fire. Bulwark is fucked if it wants to try and rush a dangerous ranged unit and has to exist as support/defense. Your viable classes for lethal that actually perform as they should (aka don't have to bend over backwards in their playstyle) are Tactical, Bulwark (if defensive) and Heavy with a multimelta or plasma if you're okay with never charging a shot ever again. Also never mind the fact there's several points in all missions where it's actually better to split up and cover different objectives or defensive points. Inferno's last part basically encourages you to different people cover different points where the hordes spawn. Same for the detonation bit in Decapitation. Or Hive Tyrant when the mobs spawn.And inb4 people post their shit webms of the one time out of a hundred things went well. Nobody gives a fuck.And again, all this is with friends or with a code from a decent community like here. Now imagine all this fucking shit with goddamn randos. Matchmaking in lethal might as well just not exist. And people are fucking defending this. Contrarianism on 4chan is a hell of a drug let me fucking tell you.
>>498783231I honestly don't get the melta bomb nerf, it was powerful yes but very limited in use cases and amount.
The class/gun combos saber wants us to play, based on this balance pass>Tactical, plasma, technically GL is also welcome but wanna bet on them getting around to nerfing this?>Heavy plasma>Sniper las fusilThat's it. No one else is welcome on Lethal. Goodbye.
>>498783632I can only assume it got nerfed because of the scan turning it into a nuke.
>>498755518??? Bulwark is one of the useful ones for lethal.
>>498772764It's fucking garbage. I'm trying to play as a sniper but every Tactical, Bulwark, Assault and Vanguard constantly on the move, leaving me without cohesion.
>>498783632>add triple extremis spawns to hardest difficulty>realize you gave players easy ways to get infinite melta bombs in mission>realize a single melta bomb can delete all three of them>panic and nerf it>forget that you gave instant extremis murder perks to tactical and bulwarkhahaha, whoops
>>498755518Vanguard too.
>>498783742Yeah, but even then you had to kneel and pray for the target not to fly out of it's explosion radius, not to mention you had to get close to plant it in the first place. Might as well nerf kraks at that point as well
>>498783632Same. I used it once on hive tyrant and decided it wasn't worth the effort of pressing the grenade button. I didn't use it after, and I wont use it now.
>>498783231Yup, just goes to show that only Redditors are crying about the perceived difficulty. Unironically git gud.
>>498767991I don't get Bulwark's contested health from banner. I was levelling it and thought it'd be a long time until my banner would be able to do that since Invigorating Effect is at level 23. But when I unlocked Rejuvenating Effect and put one down, it already gives everyone max contested health. What's the deal?
>>498783915>Might as well nerf kraks at that point as wellIt's next on the list
>>498783632Probably saw people posting vids of basically one shotting the Tyrant with two of them>Lethal is completely do-able if your team doesnt blowWhat a big surprise
>>498757093Kepp vox clear of chatter
>>498783984There is some bug with itI've had the banner>not apply shit when I drop it right on top of squad mates>apply when they're far enough way it shouldn't>when playing with a bulwark sometimes it gives me back health if I walk into it, sometimes it doesn't.I genuinely just try to wait until the guy's starting up the execution animation and then I drop the banner.
N35QT, the apothecarion is open, gonna test lethal and the new mission. Bring whatever you want.
What the fuck are Chaos ops on lethal even like, 3 headless chickens chasing after teleporting rubrics?
>>498783945Yeah me neither I just tell my team to stack up on krak grenades through the mission and dump them all during the p2 of the hive tyrant.
>>498784193Lethal WITH the new mission or lethal THEN the new mission?
>>498784193N35QY, I fugged up.
>>498784193>invalidIT'S OVER
>>498784193>invalidhe got filtered by cohesion..
The ammo limit needs to be removed from ruthless but is fine on lethalCohesion distance needs to be doubled at leastCohesion debuff needs to be something less punishing than removing all forms of sustain wtfMelta charge nerf is a huge over correctionOther than that it's fine
>>498784330Lethal WITH the new mission.>>498784371>>498784439N35QY
>>4987635925 minute respawn time??? What are these devs smoking.
>Ruthless difficulty>BUT with the amount of enemies in Lethal and somethats literally all they need to do they could even throw 2 carnifex at the same time
>>498774131Wasn't the only thing they "nerfed" the blatantly unintended shit where using them healed you far past your contested health?
OH BOY I LOVE UNIT COHESION WHEN IM TRYING TO PLANT THE 6 EXPLOSIVES AT DIFFERENT SPOTS THAT ARE MORE THAN 10M APART
>STILL not leviathan purple to make soul drinkersWHY I MUST SUFFER I WILL IMPLEMENT IT MYSELF JUST GIVE ME ACCESS TO THE GAME REPO
>>498785000YOU DIDN'T HOLD MY HAND BROTHER
>point of cohesion is to punish people who sprint across the entire map away from their team>make it so small it punishes people who are just playing normally???
Why can't redditors just do this?
>>498785169I'm not certain it was just to stop speedrunning. Either way they are fucking retarded
FJXNGEU, lethal on the new mission. Playing for fun so everyone is welcome
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STICK CLOSE WE MUST MAINTAIN SQUAD COHESION
>cohesion turning every round into a retard escort mission
>>498785261People should just refund the game.
>reviews were finally up to 82%>down to 81 after half a day
>Fixed Power Fist in PvP dealing too much damage with short charged attacks.Saw that coming a mile away. Ah well, fun while it lasted.
>>498785580git gu
>>498784949No they also reduced the damage any melta deals to the hive tyrant
>>498785169The silly thing is that some maps like Vox or Reliquary encourage splitting the team up to cover more ground or do elevator/generator objectives
>>4987854522/3
>>498785774say something useful you fucking nigger. Mindlessly saying "git gud" nigger you cant fucking read and see why people are upset with the patch. literally neck yourself
>>498785580yes, you are the retard in this case
>>498785663wtf is it even good for now? That was like the only reason to use it over the hammer or chainsword in pvp.
>>498785169I think they just saw what Darktide did and decided to slap it in. The game doesn't have disablers that encourage sticking together and there's not much CC built into the default moveset like pushing or any of the classes' abilities with big knockback. It's only all about maximizing DPS so that the horde doesn't overwhelm you.I was really surprised they made such a major change such as making it so that Minoris no longer take off one armor pip with every hit. It's such a big part of how the melee works and how they had to have playtested the game for years with. But then in the first patch they just removed it. I don't think they really have a vision for game. They're just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.
im starting the game on ruthless, how much worse is lethal?
I love running back and forth to the fusion battery and rail controls with my brothers.
>>498787578Whats that, a sniper on the platform covering the entire area? AHHH IM GOING INSANE HES NOT A TEAM PLAYER
Cohesion really does separate the wheat from the shitters lmao. Too many scrubs got complacent being able to run around Rambo'ing and press Parry every time a Gaunt looked at them and basically having infinitely respawning armor.
>>498787818>walks three steps awayCHAT HE'S SPEEDRUNNING CHAT, LOOK AT HIM SPEEDRUNNING AND LEAVING HIS BROTHERS, BAN HIM BAN HIM
So is this buff to Power Fist charge attacks any good or is it still trash?
>>498786263He doesn't play the game
>>498787578>Vox liberatis>At the elevator section>We get the "malfunction" variation where you have to interact with the two opposite monitors at the same time
The patch notes say they fucked with Ushabti Bone. But I liked that one. Anyone got a screenshot? I'm not installing this shit.
>literally have to do a Testudo to play Lethalultramarine game indeed
>can't maglock ass to ass to maintain formation and distance for parry shield replenish Dropped
OH NO THEY'RE PULLING A HELLDIVERS 2 WE'RE GONNA LOSE ALL OUR PLAYERS AAAAAAAAA
This is a masterclass in trying to change far too much too quickly.
Just failed the new operation on lethal. We killed the carnifex then right after when we finally situate ourselves we get hit with a massive wave with 2 lictors and 2 neurothropes. Mind you we just blew all our ammo killing the carnifex
im a little late, what exactly did they change?
>>498788315Dont have a screenshot at hand but I noticed it immediately upon login in, even without reading the patch noteIt used to be cream/bone like and now it's a bland white, absolute dogshit
>redditors complaining about the game being "hard"holy fuck make it make sense
>>498758542>custodians arent taller than primaris
>it's another tedious shitfest = difficulty guise episodejust remove the cohesion, keep everything else baka
>>498789149nah cohesion is a good mechanic and filter, it weeds out the speedrunning trannies and its evident by redditors kvetching in this thread
>>498789092
>>498788878Welcome to my experience with HD2. Granted, a lot of the balance was a bit off but the game is horrifically dull now that so much stuff has been buffed. I was already sleeping through Helldive even before all the buffs and I'm still sleeping through super helldive. Redditors and even dogshit /vg/ players spent all their time complaining about how hard the game was until enemies were repeatedly nerfed and weapons repeatedly buffed until there wasn't a single ounce of challenge left. In a game that had 9 difficulty settings so you can tailor your experience to your experience and skill level. It'll happen to this game too.
>>498789294>he's still here running damage controlgathered enough rubles to buy your meds yet?
>Colours: Added Liberator Gold colour to default for primary and secondary colours palettes.I AM ANGRYANGRY ABOUT COLOURS
>>498789092are you retarded anon?
>>498789397>le one guy
>>498789398we have custodes at home
>>498789567Shut the fuck up and go model my faggot Dark Angel cosmetics, Ivan
>>498789445Are you? What about that image screams that primaris are the same height as fucking custards?
>>498789294>does the mechanic make the game more enjoyable for me?>no but inconveniences people I dislikeI wouldn't call that a good mechanic but you do you man
I would like to change the color of my bathrobe so that it looks more like a cool tabard
>>498789721The only reason the custodes is taller in that image is because he's wearing heels, like a queen
>>498789721idk maybe the helmet
>>498789920This but unironically.
>>498789920>>498788519brother youre the only redditor herealso shit meme
Even vt2 and darktide let you generate toughness outside of coherency
>>498789942You're not just retarded but blind as well
>>498790074custodes arent cone heads retard
>>498788751You mean zoanthropes, right? They're the ones who come in pairs and shield eachother. Neurothrope is the floaty cunt with a health bar.
>>498790074if i wear a hat does that make me taller? retard
>>498784196I don't even want to think about it. The strategies and tactics for chaos is just too different and right now getting used to this with the nids is more important.
>>498790241yeah those two the pairs. I
>>498790361Retard actually thinks Custodes have heads like this
>>498790593kids who are new to warhammer are idiots"WOW GOLDEN CUSTODES ARE BIGGEST AND BEST"
>>498790745Not to mention that the Custodes in that picture is also wearing fucking heels. Btw is that real, did Emps really give them drag queen boots?
>>498788519>>498789920reddit
>>498790064sweetie it is cohesion not coherency
>>498790904You thought the text to speech device series was joking with the pillarstodes?
>>498790203>>498790361>fluff says custards are taller>visually shown to be taller>uh theyre not taller because i say so and cant into perspective
>>498791401>wearing heels and a conical hat that makes it look tallerWithout heels it'd be the same size, you stupid fucking animal.
At work so haven’t played but here are my thoughts that I know you all desperately want:Limited ammo makes the GL change last patch even more stupidCohesion whether it’s good or not is just going to lead to toxic team dynamics in rando groups (not always, but often)Hope the new op is goodI have no idea why they nerfed melta bombFeel bad for that one PvP fist guy who had his fun removedWhere are the bolter buffs already?
>>498791787They're never going to buff bolters when they already nerfed enemy HP last update.
>>498791787>Where are the bolter buffs already?They are going to nerf everything until it gets on the level of the bolters, so that they don't need to buff them anymore
>>498791671Ackshuallhee.The space marine's helmet would only reach about halfyway up his face. Not the cone head but the actual face plate location. So yes Custodes are taller but only about half a head taller.
>>498791874Who cares?They should've just went full in with the horde mechanics by making the Nids numerous but low HP, with melee majoris and extremis being actual threats. Who the fuck sees a Warhammer Nid games and goes "AYE MATE I'D LOVE TO ELDEN RING 1v1 A GAUNT"
>>498791198cohesion deez nuts
Termination Lethal is done and dusted, gg tactical anon
>>498792212get close to me during the elevator ride we must maintain squad cohesion
>try new lethal>3 LICTORS SPAWNon for each brother, holy fuck
>>498791671Get your eyes checked dumbass
>>498792498MAINTAIN COHESION BROTHER, I AM PINNED HERE
>>498792574>Heavies and Snipers must be in sloppy range to benefit from an executionAre Floridians retarded? If they wanted people to stick together they could've just had more extremis enemies spawn in lethal.
>>498793435They did that too
>heelsmaybe its a woman custodes? its canon
>>498790904That's an Amazon Original™ femstodies.
>>498793670It's absurd how often they spawn on lethalI never had ammo
>>498785931>No they also reduced the damage any melta deals to ONE ENEMY ON ONE MISSIONWho gives a flying fuck? You can even change your weapon immediately before fighting that single enemy if you want.
So does the new helmet actually unlock or is it glitched like the knee pad stuff?
you know what, I like everything about this update except the cohesion stuff, the multiple extremis/majoris spam is mad fun
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Assault now more than ever needs a buff. Lethal is poking holes in the class' problems harder than ever. Ranged Majoris fucking melt you.
>sit there parrying non stop as I'm the last guy standing>can't even gunstrike because I have no armor, I get no armor back at all.>eventually the ranged nids do the jobI tried to gunstrike ONCE and I lost what remained of my healthbar to gaunt shitters.
Overpowered things being nerfed is a good thing and I'm tired of people acting like it's not.
>>498794469melta bombs were overpowered?
>>498755223should be a femboy banshee instead
>>498794469What's the state of the meltagun?
Cohesion just needs a 10 second grace period before you lose it and last man standing never loses it
>>498794469Walking slightly away from team mates is over powered?
>>498794656The same. Only the bomb got nerfed and is now worthless.
Jesus fuck I wish they would fix how broken the game is before they start adding new content Three times I've tried running the new op and each time it's niggered out in a different way
>>498794671That's still retarded, just double or triple the current range.
>>498794710The gun still needs the rope.
>>498794973I invite you to go fight Chaos without it.
>turn corner>3 terminators hiding insideJesus christ
>come back to game>get funny new helmet>well, what else is there to do now? oh, I know, I'll grind weapons>after a few missions remember how long the weapon grind isokay, nevermind, see you next content drop!
>>498764749lol same
>>498795090I do nigger. Skill issue if you can't.
I cant even complete the new mission on lethal with randoms. No one stays in cohesion
Boy, I sure love games as a service.
The fact they named the new mechanic 'tight formation' and not unit coherency disappoints me
>>498791787>Where are the bolter buffs already?Many of you have complained about lack of balance between your weapon choices, but fear not, Sister Marines! We have heard you, and this is what we have prepared for you:- Heavy Plasma Incinerator and Plasma Incinerator damage has been significantly reduced to be more in line with other primary weapons.- Heavy Plasma Incinerator, Plasma Incinerator and Plasma Pistol have 50% chance to explode and instantly kill the user when overheated.- Multi-Melta and Melta Rifle ammo capacity has been reduced by 75%.- Multi-Melta and Melta Rifle no longer staggers Majoris and Extremis enemies.- Multi-Melta and Melta Rifle range reduced further to ephasize it's role as a close quarters weapon.- Las Fusil no longer gains ammo from big ammo crates.- Las Fusil headshot damage reduced by 50%.- Stalker Bolter has stood out amongst the other Bolter weapons and thus we're nerfing it's damage by 50%.Assorted changes:- Fixed ammo regen bug on Bolt Rifle with Grenade Launcher- Incerased the cooldown between missed parries by 20 seconds.- Bonus damage from Auspex scan is now only valid for the first attack that hits the highlighted enemy.- We recieved reports of Assault players managing to reach unintended places so we're cutting the range by 50%.
>>498795867The new mission is the hardest of the bunch, and Lethal is a hard class filter where only Tactical+Sniper+Heavy stands any real chance without constant communication with friends (it's not happening with randos) means you set yourself up for failure before you even entered the mission.
Im going to chargeback. Steam can ban me I dont care lmao.
>>498796030I see we're already starting the traditional doom posting jerk-off session.
Not necessarily SM2 related, but the manufactorums grow regardlesshttps://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/warhammer-firm-games-workshop-reveals-9636117
>>498795957Only if it instantly kills you if you aren't in coherency.
>>498794696The codex does not support such action
>>498796365Surely with this increased production capacity models will go down in price.
>>498796568LMAO
>>498796568lol
>>498796568All the expanded production capacity is going to legiones imperialis and age of shitmar
>>498796641>>498796703
>>498794671>>498794798Wait what? Last man standing just can't get armor back? Does the assault perk for armor on non lethal gun strikes not work either?
>>498796365I don't get it, they're making money hand over fist and they still feel obliged to piss off their playerbase with stuff like female custodes.
>>498796816None of the regain armor perks work if you are away from your brothers iirc
>>498796798I'm ok with that, I'm looking forward to more dark mech and lizards
>>498796798>legiones imperialisOh fuck yeah I want more of that stuff. I want a proper epic 40k again, though.
>>498796816You cannot gain armor from any source if you are outside cohesion. Being outside cohesion also pauses your natural armor regen timer.
>>498796568
>>498796926>>498796978Maybe it's the salty HH player in me but I'm so tired of ligma getting new modelsJust give me plastic mkii james I beg
While everyone is complaining about the new difficulty, the real crime is that they changed the paints again. I now look like a badly painted plastic retard.
>>498797313I didnt notice a difference other than abadon black being a super glossy inky black now. Eshin grey on decals now matches with nuln oil.
>>498796365>>498796568Bandai model kits are better than Games Workshop minis in every single way.
>>498797313Don't you like being a part of the Toy Marines?
>>498796862"We want the Coombrain audience," plus writers like Aaron were always in support of making things inclusive by balancing out men with women which is why he made a female characters in charge of the ship all the time. I also noticed this common pattern where old white guys get really into femdom and making queen bitches of the universe.
>>498797180>mkiiwhy the fuck would you want mk2? were you disappointed by mk3 perhaps? because mk2 won't fill the hole in you if that's the case
>>498797180I always wanted to play epic 40k but when I was a kid it had already been discontinued, and I got hyped when they announced they were doing the legiones imperialis stuff, but I really want a 40k one to play. I haven't bought the legiones imperialis stuff because I always liked 40k more than 30k and I already play Battletech too which is kind of the same scale as that anyway.
>>498797313I hate that they changed paint order on some stuff so I had to double check all my guys. Some colour changes also suck but thankfully the ones I use have been left mostly untouched, except that I could swear White Scars is now light gray instead of pure white.
>>498797526>by balancing out men with womenmale custodes were already balanced by the female pariahs
>>498797313Only change I've noticed is worse is evil sunz red.It used to be perfect for the magpies but it looks dreadful now. I'll have to see if khorne red is now better.
>>498795094Yeah, this has been what I've noticed. Close range classes can't survive the constant spaff especially from Nid Warriors with Barbed Wranglers. Those fuckers turned into Scav Shotgunners from Darktide in terms of damage.
>>498797313yes it is realistic like citadel paints
How is lethal? Anyone want to play a game?GW92D. I have 3 level 25's, tactical, heavy, or sniper, so I can play any of those for it.
>>498797420Mephiston red is pretty fucked up on some pieces, and looking at this >>498797689 it sounds like other reds are a problem as well.
>>498797783It's CBT, so perfect for Imperial Fists.
>>498797471even a 200$ resin printer is better than GW minis
>>498797783It's not that bad outside of new mission's final sequence, where the titan's AoE attacks are exceptionally punishing for anybody that strays from the team. You can also forget about carrying players with low level/weapons
>>498797685Gee dubs practically already dropped them the same way they completely forget and drop everything they newly introduce.
>>498797527Because I play WS and it is objectively the best heresy armour And yes I was incredibly disappointed with numkiii so I'm expecting them to fuck up mkii as well
so playing heavy without melta is impossible in lethal
>Pick up gene seed>Other two retards bogart all the stims to the point that they intentionally damage themselves just so that they can pick up the one they just found
>>498798072Seems to not be the case considering I just finished a lethal pub Atreus with Stalker tac, bulwark and bolter heavy. I would consider cohesing with your squad and potentially acquiring more skill.
>>498758705>nerfed the Snipers invisibility cloak from the SMG thing.Nooooo my crutch. I haven't played in a while I had no idea
>>498798249Were you using melta/nadebolter?If so I would do the same
>>498798249I'd leave at the very end out of spite.
>>498798072Plasma is still very strong. If you go melta you risk getting into a team which cannot reliably deal with ranged enemies and on lethal they'll absolutely demolish you
>>498798346You don't need to, game already does it for you
>play like normal>kill enemies like normal>break off to do shit like normal, if needed>if you lose all your armor or start getting overwhelmed run back to your teammatesIt's really that fucking simple. But I guess this concept is too complicated for /sm2g/ considering half you fucking tards couldn't even figure out how the trains worked for weeks.
>>498798249>Friend has it in his head that he needs to horde all the stims if he ever goes down because muh mortal wound cleanse>Everybody else is on 1% health
>>498798551Post a screenshot of you playing the game with this post's post number in the game chat.
>>498798551>In reality you're losing armor because one retard thinks he can speedrun the fucking level so now the coherency between you and the other person is diminished and you're knee deep in four fucking Lictors, eight Nid Warriors, a tsunami of gaunts, and the floor is lava thanks to all the barbed cum bubbles
>>498798551>play like normalUh oh, the bulwark walked 10m forward to melee while the ranged used his ranged weapon, guess everybody is naked now
I'm glad they nerfed parry instead of fixing matchmaking
All these changes, and they still haven't fixed clipping issues on the Deathwatch pauldron
>>498798815Genuinely feel no difference using the knife. Only played one match with a chainsword and it was okay'ish
>>498798775>walked 10m forwardSPEEDRUNNING NIGGER
Gene sneed
Nobody playing right now?
Well, even if we didn't make it. Thanks for the games, Brothers. This lethal thing isn't for me and I give up for a while.
Brothers...I don't feel...so..cohesive anymore...
>>498798815>fixing matchmakingMatchmaking is working as intended.
>>498798815Generally the guys in charge of balance and the codemonkies that write new matchmaking algorithms aren't the same staff.
First tried the new mission on Lethal but I was playing with friends on Bulwark and Sniper and me on Tactical, and were obviously using our strongest shit. Then we cleared a few more. Game's still not particularly hard with a good team but there's no way in hell I'm playing it with randoms, which isn't a great thing for longevity if other people feel the same way.
>>498799472we are charging our cohesion crystals brother
>>498799951Sniper's indispensable I think. Even if I sucked at it, the ability to take out the ranged majoris is too important and you can no longer just justify splitting off to do it.Also GL did insane work.
>>498798693Why dont you show ME you actually play the game instead of just sobbing and seething, little faggot?>>498798769Bro cohesion only drops if YOU are away from allies. Unless both your teammates are subhumans running away from you constantly you just need to be near one person. And I havent seen a single person playing like this today on Lethal
>>498800320I agree, need 1 sniper in the team
WTF have they done to this game. I can't join anyone's games and just get bots now.
CD246Lethal, Inferno.
>>498800705Swap to pvp and then back to operations and it should be fixed
>>498800397That's wrong buddy.>>498798683
>>4988007182/3
>>498800320Nah, I choked too much and placed my banners like shit. I like the augmented spawns but not the cohesion thing, also I find the melty bomb nerf fucking stupid. But, anyways, the new mission is cool but not the new diff.
heh PVP chads win again, PVE psychos are having yet another helldiver 2/vermintide/darktide sperg out over numbers
>>498800397No, you're thinking about this entirely wrong.Cohesion is an AOE around you, as long as that circular AOE intersects with another player's AOE, you get armor regen. If even one player fucks off, the effective interlinking is diminished by 33%. So now if two of you are in a horde and get separated, if the third fucked off, it becomes far more likely that cohesion breaks.
>>498801224That was fine but the bullshit is getting pointblanked for 80% of life by barbed strangler warriors or chain knocked because there's a million majoris+
>>498801428Don't fucking care just give me more Space Marine dressup.
>Overcoming such a challenge will grant you new cosmetics…>cosmeticsSo is it really just the helmet?
>>498802094Helmet, sword (?), and some actually sick tyranid war veteran knee marks that are currently fucking bugged
>>498802204IZV2JLethal, new mission
just release a mod kit for this gamethis shit is embarrassing
>Ruthless: 1 Extremis enemy at a time>Lethal: 3 Extremis enemies at exactly the same time, spawns aren't even staggered so you have three Raveners or Lictors doing their ambushes at the same time or one while backed up with a barrage of green shit from two ZoanthropesSo not having Tactical on the team is just asking for suffering huh
>>498802481reddit is crying too hard and now mods are kos
>>498799951Thanks doc.
I shall now attempt new mission, on lethal, with randosLets see how bad this gets.
>>498800718>>4988011542/3 please respond.
>>498802734I'm coming brother
>>498802602I would enjoy it immensely if not for the other bullshit Lethal entails. More enemies is better.
>load into rando lobby>Vanguard at level 24>lethalWell then! Lets see this shitshow!At least there's a tactical.
>Join lethal match in progress>Can't pick the class I want>Spawn>"Last brother standing"So this is the power of lethal
>>498802204Oh, I can see a Survivor Power Sword like you said. Cool. What was the unlock condition? I already have it apparently. Don't see theknee marks though.
>>498803051Was doing a last stand against them but couldn't keep up because of them mixing unblockables and parryables together, plus no armor regen from the Minoris that were slowly pelting away at my health. It's actually cool when each Extremis goes for one squad member each, or if you're duelling all three at a time while the rest of your team is dealing with the horde, but it's not so fun when it involves two Zoanthropes since not every one of you is going to be a class that can handle them.
>>498798027I thinks what makes GW dropping it even better is that the only people who keep bringing it up are people trying to own the chuds, coomers or trannies. Custodes were a mistake
BROTHERS QUICK! EMERGENCY CUDDLE PUDDLE! I NEED MY ARMOR BACK AND I FEEL LONELY BECAUSE BROTHER BROTARIUS WENT 5 FEET AWAY FROM ME!
MY BROTHER HAS NOT HELD MY HAND FOR THE CODEX DICTATED 5 SECONDS, I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME WWAAAAAAAHHHH
Is it me or are the voices really quiet now?
Love being the last brother standing and not being able to regain armor since there's no ones hand to hold for cohesion.
>>498804874*walks up really close to your face**starts weapon swapping really fast on top of you*WE ARE CHARGING OUR COHESION CRYSTALS, BROTHER*you also join in and so does the other anon**we finish*SQUAD MORALE RESTORED
>add a whole new threat level with stupid ass modifiers to increase difficulty>average is still the hardest due to all the massive waves it throws at youAre they ever gonna fix this or is it a feature?
>>498804874COHESION BROTHER
What if instead of standing next to your battle brothers to be allowed to regen armor, you need to use your class's "The Emperor guides us" equivalent voiceline constantly
>>498806108Are you saying you don't do that already COURAGE AND HONOUR BROTHERS
>>498806037Average has the biggest hordes due to a bug? Since when? How big?
Bulwark is fucking peak in lethalJust hug your brothers, occasionally melee, drop banner as required.
>>498806404It sometimes spawns Ruthless levels waves twice at once. If you're not a scrub this isn't a big deal since everything in Average is built out of carboard. It's still nowhere near fucking Lethal
>>498806325I'm saying I want those silent faggots to respond to me on the elevator instead of alt+tabbing.
>>498806508>boring banner slut classNo thanks
DARK ANGELS BATTLE BROTHERS! WE MUST MUST SNUGGLE WITH EACH OTHER! OUR COALITION ARE FADING AWAY! QUICK BROTHERS, TAKE THE OIL AND RUB IT AGAINST EACH OTHER.
>Coom cannon nigger two shots me for 75% health after dodging.Oh boy.
WHERE IS MY EMPEROR MANDATED SISTER OF BATTLE GIRLYMAN, I REQUIRE CUDDLES TO MAINTAIN COHESION, JUST WRAP HER AROUND MY ARMOR LIKE A PENITENT ENGINE
First game of Lethal difficultyI think it's pretty funGrenade launcher carries though, I bet it's impossible with an off meta weapon.
>>498806508>Tactical/Sniper/Heavy teammates are extremely overzealous about shooting everything that moves because they don't want to take any chances>can barely contribute even with Bulwark's OP parries since nothing ever reaches you>just place a banner down every few secondsGame's just not built for being melee focused.
>>498806668Is it immediately on/off?They should implement a lingering buff, I'm not hugging my team as assaultIt's hard enough generating armor with melta spazz, now I gotta do it in melta range?
>>498807013I just did my first run on Lethal as tactical with the heavy bolt rifle because I simply like it, and it would not have worked without a melta vanguard and plasma devastator. I felt like a glorified auspex scanner, and I kept getting dragged down by gaunts because I just couldn't clear enough of them.
did the new mission ruthless, not ready for Lethal CBT yet, must say it was okay. worst part was the sewer power plant part. can go absolutely rng in the rape energy, combined with how the place is setup. definitely the worst place to defend against hordes, in comparison to other missions
>>498807082Yeah I find myself spamming shield bash and plasma pistol gunstrike AoEing things because competent teammates don't give me anything to melee
>>498807259We almost got cooked there, but if you pull back to the entrance tunnel, you funnel the entire room into a single corridor.
>>498807005YOUR DUTY IS NOT DONE BROTHERHOLD FAST YOUR FAITHBy the way I claim Miss Imperial Fist.
>hearing tons of banter between the ops characters>realize I hadn't heard it in a whileWas this stealth broken and then fixed today?
>>498807425yea, I can see that. the right part with the 3 level area is just a hellhole to defend comparatively.
>>498807546Yes. It literally didn't work on Inferno
>>498807082>Lethal's just not built for being melee focused.ftfy, they made it too deadly which means people will be much more careful about letting things approach you
>>498807425Yeah when you guys went left a fuckhuge horde came from right and I just ran for my life lmao. Glad you guys saw it though, ended up working out well.
>>498756467We know exactly how tall he is precisely because he does so much to muddy the waters. He's not merely the king of manlets. He's the emprah. 5'11, without a doubt. All other reports are to disseminate confusion.
Substantial has way too many spawns now for leveling lower leveled classes quickly, but anything below that is snail's pace. Not only that, but the usual retard hard-stuck there is now a liability. Guess I'll bring my level 5s into Ruthless since that's what the devs intend.
CMFZWDoing the new mission, lethal. 2/3
>>498807209I like the high amount of Extremis spawns giving me more of a reason to take the half Auspex refund on Extremis scan perk, and the insta-kill one. It's funny just deleting ome of the three every time they show up.
Come get some cohesion with me... You won't leave the Empress without cohesion won't you?
>>498808172Post a code of fuck off coomer faggot.
Not only did they introduce a new difficulty with a surprise mechanic that nobody likes, they did it without adding a real reward for doing the new content. Here's your wasted XP, currency, and two more fucking armory tokens you don't need, gee thanks, if only there were new cosmetics to spend this on. Absolute fucking idiots to stagger the content like this. And don't dare point at that shitty helmet as a satisfactory reward.When the Dark Angels pack finally releases in the middle of fucking December, they'll be lucky if they have still have 1,500 active players on steam.
>>498795094Totally fucking backwards. The difficulty description says that Lethal is the best difficulty for those who want to sacrifice themselves for the Emperor, so Assaultniggers are actually the best class for Lethal, you should have one in every match.
>>498808327The funnies thing is that the other rewards for Lethal don't even work. Aside from the power sword, can someone post how it looks btw?
>>498808327Born to seetheGame is a fuckCry about it allI am shitter man1,000,000 dead threads
>>498808467i ate the T in funniest, official Word Eaters marine
>>4988084672XME5LethalGonna try Inferno and Decapitation. But can clear the new one if anyone wants.
>>4988079702/3
>>498807970Still 2/3
>>498794313Please update Blood Angel #7 whenever you get a chance
>>498795094I'd change the "barely manageable" tier to "filler". They're very easy to survive with and can contribute a bit but they're ultimately just along for the ride if the rest of the team has a mandatory Tactical and one Optimal.
>>498808467I'm sure the Lethal knee decals will eventually get patched, but probably not until the next big content update. So they'll just be in the game, taunting us, for probably a month.
>>498809001They'll get patched the same way Chapter Emblems for the left shoulder will or the same way customizable visors and robes will.
>>498808996I've ran both Chaos and Nids now. As Assault, Tac, and Heavy. And I've had Sniper, Vanguard and Bulwark teammates.Just like Ruthless all classes are good to go if you arent bad
>>498795094Bulwarks are necessary for health and armor regeneration for the squad. Best composition is Tactical, Bulwark, and then either a Sniper or Heavy.
>>49879431313 should be World Eater btw
>>498809147You 100% need a sniper. Not sure a heavy can get at the venom cannons and barbed mine placers.
CMFZWLethal, 2/3, total nidder death
>>498809143>if you and your teammates aren't bad or aren't botsFTFY. You can maybe handle one deadweight teammate if two of you are good but I'd rather dig ditches than try to solo Lethal on Assault.
>>498809001>>498808467I don't like it.
>>498783231>melta bombs have tiny radius and are basically only good for nuking boss wave spawns or bosses themselves>get nerfed because they're good at nuking bosses?what were you supposed to do with them?why not nerf krak grenades since they one shot basically everything non terminus
>>498809336We did a run with heavy earlier in the day and it went fine, the team perk that let you revive people at 100% life is pretty fucking handy in lethal
>>498809582I like the handle, everything else is kind of meh
Lethal's extremely long respawn time means I see people just leaving the instant things start to go wrong. Makes sense, who wants to spend five minutes spectating something when you can leave and be in a new game within one minute.
>Lictor, two Zoanthropes and a Carnifex spawn>One of my teammates just quit leaving us with a Bulwark bot and an Assault player>LethalThank you game, very cool!
>>498809462Still 2/3Lethal new mission
>>498809582Blade looks shit apart from MY CRAFT IS DEATH, that's kino.
>>498809887It shortens when you kill majoris and higher tier enemies.
New difficulty is way way better god damn
first time lethal. its not THAT hard (this was inferno though) vanguard hat to clutch for a hot minute because tac & me got whipped to shreds by 3 nid warriors but that was terrible positioning on my part
>>498794313I'm blind as shit, are the storm wardens on here?
>>498809983>>498809887Casual players will always attempt new content, fail, then moan about it and either the dev gives in and ruins the game or the casuals give up. Give it two weeks and it'll just be good players.
>>498794313Looking forward to contributing my Imperial Fists, Blood Angels and Raven Guards they're just not quite ready yet.
So what are the chances they add the proper Sanguinary Guard helmet and backpack wings (as well as left shoulder) for the blood angel pack?
>>498810325The only bad thing about Lethal is the ammo stuff that disables most weapons and the coherency shit, which wouldn't be half as bad if the mechanic's zone wasn't absolute garbage
Its fun but god damn cohesion is retarded. AI bulwark was actually hard carrying because he is invincible.
>>498796923>>498796986That is beyond fucking retarded. Didn't darktide do this exact same shit and realized it was retarded and walked it back too? God damn it. At least it's only on lethal right?
>>498810542I wouldn't be surprised if the Blood Angels Champion Skin was for Assault. That means no customization though.
>>498809610>>melta bombs have tiny radius and are basically only good for nuking boss wave spawns or bosses themselvesThis is exactly why. One shotting the tyrant with 2 melta bombs isnt exactly balanced
>>498810765Yeah, it's only on Lethal. For now.
>>498810542zeroat best you get a more general use death mask helmet, but more likely just death company shit
>>498808967Update received.>>498810164No. I haven't seen any Storm Wardens submitted.>>498809284Thank you for the information Brother. It will be addressed with the next update.>>498810436Looking forward to it as well, Brother.
>>498810765>At least it's only on lethal right?Yeah. Lethal would be a ton of fun if they removed cohesion and buffed melee weapons and anything that isnt plasma by a lot.
>>498810765Only on Lethal, yeah. There's also no real reward for playing the difficulty because you more or less need to bring a level 25 full Relic character into it. It's just there for bragging rights which makes it not as bad but doesn't make the cohesion thing any less annoying.
I spoke to the High Lords of Terra, shameful people! They showed me an image of an pretty lady. I said I wanted to enter diplomatic relations with her. They said I was an eldar-loving heretic! Very sad!
>>498810921Not gonna lie, my guys will probably look less cool than some other anons, but I just want to represent my favourite primarchs. Thanks for running the Wall btw, it's fun to see everyone's guys.
>>498810849good thing you maybe got like 40% of its HP with two auspex buffed melta bombs then
>>498809582Does it have red energy?
3QFWH2/3 Lethal, New Map.
>>498811173>Not gonna lie, my guys will probably look less cool than some other anonsAhh, I wouldn't worry about it. Bling level of Your Dudes is irrelevant>I just want to represent my favourite primarchsThat's exactly what the Wall is for.Thanks a lot Brother. I'm having lots of fun maintaining it and it's ever more rewarding knowing that anons here enjoy the fun as well.
>>498810765>Walked it backCoherency is useful in darktideIt's just that if you're going to split up you have the ability to make a build to do so, although more often than not such a build is more useful for removing threats to your team rather than making the mission harder for itNot that shitters would know because they tend to hide for way too long
>>498811339Then you're using the wrong Auspex. Full damaged spec Auspex + 2 melta during it's brain blast shit is 3 bars of its hp
>>498810939heavy is generally good on lethal. tac (with nades or plasma) is a staple, bulwark also a staple. vanguard seems fine simply because he bounces back fast, assault & sniper probably struggle.i´m probably going to switch from %magsize to fullhealth revives on my heavy.
>>498810695The ammo limit feels bad because guns hit like noodles. Its a shame they didnt buff the lot, even if it meant reducing ammo. I would take 50 rounds which hit like trucks than 200 that feel like noodles.
>>498811173Just don't cringe out like space scribes guy
Crayonmarines..
>>498810765No. Coherency is still a thing. However there are perks that allow you to play away from your team which give you the effect of being in +2 coherency or something. It's a good mechanic in darktide. Can't say I care much for it in this game though, especially with how small the radius is.
>>498811834i hate how often i see this. my first lethal run forever tainted because a crayon vanguard clutched it.
BLESSED BE THE OMNISSIAH'S DIVINE PRECISION
>>498811776Sniper is fine. I soloed Decapitation with Fusil. Assault is unplayable because cohesion, would otherwise be phenomenal due to the larger horde sizes for refreshing jump pack slams.
>>498812424>Assault is unplayable because cohesionNot really. If you're jumping super far ahead as Assault you're doing it wrong.It's almost unplayable because ranged Nids are back to doing 90% of your health bar in one burst so if you misstep bye bye HP
what motivates a man to eat crayons?
What's the point of cohesion? why did the devs want to punish spreading out?
>>498811432Still 2/33QFWH
the targeting laser replacing your primary weapon made me seethe irrationally as my two retarded bots did fuck all to keep the wave off me while i shot the titan. won't be trying that mission solo ever again
>>498812653to make it harder to carry 2 retards
>>498812653People kept complaining about speedrunners, so the devs decided to do something about it without playtesting anything
>>498811834Congratulations you played with the actual reddit chapter.
>>498812653Did you read the notes? It's because the game became way too easy after fixing the Armor on Parry changes. Now there's a caveat to being able to spam parry Minoris enemies
Can't believe they still haven't made a real matchmaking system.Even something crude would be fine, just don't put me in a game where someone else is currently using the same class that I have equipped unless there aren't any other options.
>>498810765No darktide version is fine, you get a tiny bit of toughness per second for staying close and share your team perk to everyone near by, but splitting up doesn’t punish you, you can still get toughness back via melee and other perks because even fatshark realise in these sorts of games splitting up or fighting in a loose formation can be important at times. Sabre basically added togetherness from destiny into the game, oh you’re not holding hands? Then die.
>>498812553>Nids are back to doing 90% of your health bar in one burstand then the death spitter niggers enrage and instantly kill you from across the map. its all so tiresome dealing with devs that either dont play their own game or are just too stupid to understand what they are making.
Enrage is a shit mechanic for ranged.They delete you in close combat and just keep firing.
>>498813169While ruthless became baby mode after the changes I still felt incoming damage was tuned too high, you’d spend 90% of the map full HP make one mistake an almost get one shot there was never a gradual lose of HP which felt very strange. Choosing to increase it is certainly a choice. I was really hoping lethal was just going to be like auric memestroms in darktide, no damage of health boosts for the enemy just throwing more elites and specials at you with a near non stop horde. Back to back massive enemy waves would have been cool, being chained together is not. I hope they just completely remove the tether mechanic.
MW3UZ2/3
>>498814286Honestly outside of that the difficulty is funThough it does invalidate a few things.Having more than one crowd control guy is worthless for exampleThough that might be a consequence of cohesion.
>>498814720Yeah I like it besides that too. They just need to walk the damage output back somewhat, at least for ranged enemies because man a devourer nid enraging and taking 70% of your health by clipping you is some bullshit, and remove coherency, don’t try to change it just remove it. The game wasn’t built for it, it plays like shit when everyone stacks up
The entire problem of cohesion is that it fucks up anyone who is focused massively by ranged attacks because they can't line behind anything or they will die but they will also die while being mass focused, then it fucks up all melee classes because they can't go in an tie up all the fucking ranged warriors.
>>498814954What really needs to happen is something that needs to be universal for all difficulties and that's if you get within a certain range of shit like devourers or rubrics they stop trying to fire and melee instead.This should have already fucking been done.
>>498814286>Back to back massive enemy waves would have been coolYeah I agree. I dont know how developers havent realized thats what most people find the most fun in these horde games.>>498815087>if you get within a certain range of shit like devourers or rubrics they stop trying to fire and melee insteadYeah it drives me fucking insane. If they want to introduce table top rules how about the one where you cant shoot after falling back from close combat. They reduced the range rubrics teleport but I dont think it made a big enough difference.
>>498815087Yeah getting within 5 meters or so of a ranged enemy should cause them to close with you and engage in melee, same way darktide does it. But enraged ranged enemies should have their damage brought down too because holy shit is it disgusting
I don't know much about the Castellans of the Rift, but I'm really digging the look after the patch. Doubt they'll do a helmet that lets you change the face plate and keep the stripe.
>>498814648Apologies brother, I ran out of ammo and ran away to look for some, forgetting about coherency.
Alright, so lethal doesn't fuck around.>>498815815It's fine, DC's can happen.
Any open codes. All of them seem to be filled.
>>498815038Coherency should last for at least half a minute outside of its range if they want to keep such a dumb mechanic
Finished the new mission with randoms on lethal, too fucking bullshit going on, including the fact the person using the lascannons cant swap weapons to defend himself.
>>498815727Guess I'll have to change my right knee to black to better reflect the chapter.
Cohesion would only work if the entire game is designed around it, like something pseudo SWAT based with front liners, mid liners and back liners with roles and a forced concept of sticking together.Tacking in a system of "you cant do X unless dumb fuck whose got his other TV pkaying daytime tv garbage and a hot mic decides to learn what teamwork is" isnt fun.
Am I retarded for thinking that you should be able to stagger enemies out of their animations with how easy it is for you to be staggered / stagger chained in melee combat?It's like my only real gripe with the game (outside of white, green and in some cases purple weapons being worthless)
This new difficulty is really making people upset, I've seen more gamer rage today than every other day of this game combined. Taking bets on how long it takes for the devs to reduce the difficulty.
I haven't had a real chance to try out lethal (I tried one game last night with randoms which went about as well as you'd expect) but the cohesion mechanic sounds fucking terrible. On the face of it seems like it outright punishes Vanguard and Assault for playing the way they're meant to with their gap-closing abilities, peeling off from the group to take out high-priority targets like snipers, ranged mobs or reinforcement callers. What's wrong with just increasing spawns and damage? Why add this gimmicky mechanic that limits the ways you can play?
Why do the movement controls feel less responsive now? Specifically I noticed you can't start to run out of aiming or for a few seconds after you stop. Did they actually fuck with that or is this a bug?
>>498816941It's so that if one person dies everything will immediately snowball and fuck you in the ass if you're the last man standing.
>grab the laser>assault and bulwark nowhere to be seen>they are on hand to nade me though to cancel the laserits like these people are being useless on purposewhat is it about these classes that attracts idiots
So on a scale of "fighting Horus" to "Stand at the Eternity Gate" how good is this as a rendition of the Sanguinary Guard armor?
>game is stuck on not responding while the game is focusedwhat the fuck
>>498817028>>498816941>Want to promote squad cohesion >Do it in a way that brings the worst out of peopleClassic. Just give us 6 man horde mode recreation of the last stand with the banner already its what people actually want.
>>498816698When did we get to the point that as soon as something difficult comes out the majority of people completely melt down?I feel like it used to be that if something was too hard, you either fucking got good and got through it or you moved on with your life. You didn't whine and cry and shit your pants and scream at the devs to cater to you
>>498817239Beautiful brother
>>498817385You are without a doubt the dumbest anon I've ever seen.
>>498817385Matchmaking as always made shit terrible.Fact is you need to be able to rage and communicate in games like this, and that requires a level of trust you don't get with randos. Or even people here.
>>498817385This stick close shit means it doesn’t matter how good you are, when the shitters die you can’t get armour back anymore so if ranged it’s up you’ll get chipped to death.
>>498817151>Ally rushes laser>Where will he go?>Option A: Under the bridge where there is cover from the enemies ranged attacks as well as from the artillery strikes >Option B: In the wide open on the top of the bridge right next to the enemy spawn point in full view of artillery I genuinely don't think PvE games should ever remove the ability to solo content even as a team. Removing your weapons so people "PROTECT ME BROTHER" is only fun if you play with friends. For 99% of us its awful as fuck to watch people sabotage the mission.
>>498817385Punishing you directly because other players die is bad game design period, especially in a game with minimal ways to protect each other outside of a turtle heavy or Bulwark.
>>498817385It's not difficult, I was carrying retards before, essentially soloing the mission but from time to time I had to play strategically and hide behind line of sight, now I fucking can't, the retards die without me and the moment I get focused I insta die because 99.9% of people are incapable of backing up for 30 seconds to recover and bait ranged units behind.
>Vox Lethal>Get a horde during the bit where you advance through a large open space with nids and chaos fighting each other>the whole area turns in to complete mayhem, the enemies are so busy getting staggered by each other we can almost just walk through without them noticingngl this was so far the coolest experience I've had in ops, felt like one of those warzones the campaign throws you in sometimes.
>Space Marines 2 go to hell divers 2 route>lots of nerfs and no buffThat was a fun 6 weeks game sm2g bro, its time for me to drop the game.I can't understand why are game devs like this, not only hell divers 2 but also Diablo 4 last year.It took a year for Diablo 4 being enjoyable again.What's the point of nerfing PVE contents and ignore buffing under powered option this early in the game?
>>498818212Because if you beat the game that's like personally fucking the developers wife.
>>498794313>Number 12/Sons of LupercalMy bad, was meant to be with the Luna Wolves as well
>>498818212>crying because you can't be a meltanigger anymore
>>498818479But the new difficulty is literally meltanigger country
>>498818479mouthbreather
>>498818212Helltoddlers need to fuck off, there were three minor nerfs, they didn’t nerf auspex anywhere near hard enough (and reduce boss health). Parry is exactly the same if you’re not a moron, and the melta bomb nerf was questionable. Those were the only nerfs
>>498817469Really?I didn't like it much.
Deploying standard recruitment post.AGBJBLethal
>>498818212>Space Marines 2 go to hell divers 2 routeYou mean they're gonna casualize the game so hard it's playable on a turned off monitor? I sure hope notLethal is fine and I'm glad there's atleast some challenging option, I hope they dont fully cave-in to redditards and simply adjust their "squad cohesion" bullshit
>>498818479>Auspex scan got nerf to oblivion>Fencing melee is now basically balance now>No bolter buffs and grande launcher is useless when auspex scan got nerf>Block is still uselessYeah, I'll use melta over any bolters.I don't want to mag dump just to kill one majoris
>limit ammo refillsto force everyone to run alpha variants?
I don't think much changed, and the black decal is so fucking vanta black that I'm just leaving it off.Add me to the wall, I'll be the first Castellan.
>you need team mates for armour recovery during execution This is a huge nerfs for assaults and vanguardsWTF?!Did the devs smoke some weeds or something?!
>>498819312>devs smoke some weeds or somethingNah, krokodil. They're Russians.
>>4988188432/3 Require one more brother.
>>498819004At the end that doesn't matter at all, the refills contain so much ammo it may as well be infinite.
It's been true of many games before, you should not make players feel less powerful week after week or they will eventually stop playing. No new cosmetics to sweeten the deal makes it even less attractive. Objectively bad patch because it's all stick and no carrot.
What made these slavs think that cohesion will be a welcomed mechanic?
>>498818212Cohesion is dumb as shit in its current implementation and I'm in favor of buffing the underpowered/underused weapons and maybe making melee do more damage but everything else can stay. Weapons don't necessarily have to be lore accurate in implementation when several named with plot armor marines are in the same squad. Though why they didn't add a flamer for crowds instead of using the melta for that purpose is beyond me.
>>498819529I bet they were thinking that if they made bolt weapons stronger it will make the game too easy and when a game is too easy many will clear it and move on
>>498819536Russians lack the mental capacity needed for rational thinking.
>>498819004How the fuck do we finish the likes of inferno and engine?It's waves of fucking hordes of tyrnids.What if it spawn that flying Tyranid and we're out of ammo?!
>>498819785Inferno is not that difficult, beat it with Anons a few hours ago.We all parted ways after beating Vox Liberatis, that map is way more cancer now.I'll post code for Reliquary, Fall of Atreus and Ballistic Engine later since I already beat the others and the new map.
>>498819004It's been fine so far.
>>498819004Honestly the ammo limit is very generous, I havent exhausted a single crate so far, or even took half of it
>>498818212>no buffBolt weapons need love but so far balance patches have mostly been buffs. The gl one was technically a nerf but it did nothing practically. >lots of nerfFor whom, the player or the enemies? Ranged enemies got their projectile damage slashed. In some cases they only do 1/3 the damage as before (devourer i believe). Gors have their HP reduced by a significant margin. Chaos density in general has been reduced by a whole bunch. Minoris parrying now gives back shield. In general this made the game way, way easier.The new difficulty introduced some nerfs to the player. 20% reduced shield made it so VC warriors are very, very deadly. If they decide to open fire up close, you best know that not only are they faster, they also shoot twice. This can actually 100% you now. But if you already knew about this, nothing changes. Unless theyre in red aura, which i think isnt a fun mechanic.Ammo cache limitation in my experience has not changed the way i play, at all. Not sure how sniper feels yet, but for tactical, assault and heavy i dont feel its impact at all.Coherency isnt that bad, imo. I dont think vanguard or assault are really being shafted that hard. And no, if one player strays you do not lose all coherency. I do think however since we only have 3 players the radius should be a bit bigger, perhaps like an extra 5 meter radius.Fencing 'nerf' if you can call it that simply makes it less braindead. Its strength was always instant startup, anyway. No changes to blocking is still extremely asnine.I think theres a lot of overreaction even in here. Why is sticking a little closer to your bros something youre so averse to? In some situation yeah you dont want to cuddle but you should always be close by anyway, in case something bad happens.
cohesion mechanic fucks up sniper really hardyour teammates will be constantly pushing forward and you're forced to keep up with them and engage enemies on close range
>>498819312It's less huge nerfs and more that it makes them entirely unplayable on lethal.
>>498818686Then that's on you because I enjoy it. Looks like an excellent Sanguinary Guard
>>498820168I think I'll change the highlights to corax white. it'll lose closer to what it needs.I think my biggest issue is the lack of that unique left shoulder with the big winds surrounding the blood tear.Also no power sword/power axe.
>>498820129also makes completely useless all the perks that requires large distance from the target
K62R52/3 Lethal Vox
>>498817637yeah as a follow up>have a meltdown post mission>wtf you dropped to the lower level and died>i dropped to teh lower level to dodge the artillery>nuh uh simmer down lmaoi just dont get stoners, retards, faggots, moronsthese people belong in minimal, because thats genuinely the only fucking cuck cage you belong in if youre willing to just queue in and waste 30 minutes of my time being a fucking dumbass
Squad cohesion is bad because it's a tacked on addition rather than something the core game was designed for. There is no minimap, there is no easy way to tell where your teammates are at a glance, that's why they had to come up with this stupid little proximity bar, a band-aid solution. More importantly, you have two classes designed for mobility that cannot function properly in the tiny little Cohesion range, and Sniper is just as likely to be left behind while aiming down sights.Wildly swinging the camera around to get eyes on your teammates is now a core part of the gameplay and it's annoying as fuck.
>>498820129How far away are you staying away? If im sniping im always like 15 meters away from my team. Youre not immediate danger anyway so youre neither harming you nor your team. In theory anyway.
>>498816980I only left for a week why is it all so slow now
>>498820330make use with what we have for now
>>498817239did they add colors or what. i´ve never seen gold on non-highlights
>>498794313here >>498819285
>>498818458Thank you. It will be addressed in the next update.>>498820636Received.
>>498820451I actually think squad cohesion has decent potential to be fun, they could make an entire talent tree out of it, it could interact with ability and shit, like banner could generate cohesion, you could get +cohesion by shooting at enemies auspexed/targeted/near your teammates, you could build it and expend it upon fightingIt's just that what we have here is so barebones it's pure dogshit
>>498821012Yeah that's another thing, no interaction with the existing gameplay mechanics, no interaction with the talent trees, nothing. In fact, it actively works against some of them. Right now, cohesion feels slapped on.
>Enjoyed Hell Divers 2 upon release >Lots of nerfs every patch and made me drop the game>Enjoyed Space Marines 2 upon release>Starting to nerf lots of thing without buffingIt's like ordering a burger and when it got delivered, the waiter took the burger patty and left me with buns and veggieals.I'm now sacred for the fate of starship troopers game.
Lethal, New mission just got home, HAVENT DONT IT YET, join.
>>498821497Expired, full?
>Nerf tactical>Nerf melee>Nerf armor>Bolters are useless>Block melee are uselessMan, purchasing this game and taking away all the fun feels like I've been scammed.
>>498821497>>498821906Full
>>498821012>I actually think squad cohesion has decent potential to be funin a different game. half of the classes work actively against it.and no i´m not saying you should always run away from your team as assault/vanguard/sniper, but to do so sometimes is one of their strengths.
>>498822215>assault/vanguard/desu yes, if you aren't going after ranged tyrannids warriors they are playing wrong
>>498822215>in a different game. half of the classes work actively against it.Right now it does, but it doesnt have to beimagine if a sniper and an assault could gain +cohesion if they were fighting the same targetOr if the cohesion pool was much larger and you could "expend it" by going on a solo rampage for a few seconds while the bar slowly deplete, only to rebuild it by going back to your brother once in a whileThere's a lot of interesting stuff they could do, we just have the shittiest implementation possible of the system
No fuck cohesionJust fuck it>peel off tyrant to go handle the fucking spawned mob>die to literal gaunts because parrying them is worthless and there's always one more that'll get through and hit before the stun from a successful parry happens.
>>498821262What did they nerf that you feel made the game less fun? >>498820379Those have never been useful, unfortunately. I think in my testing all it did was negate some damage drop off. Regardless, a good sniper is always in a safe spot, so being out of coherency for a bit imo isnt that bad, unless youre short 1 man. A real oversight is when youre last man standing you cant fight to get shield back. Also 5 minutes respawn is awful.
>ai doesnt use your armor customization>ai doesnt use your unlocked perks or weapons>ai doesnt show helmet even if you set the option to always show it
4FY75Gonna try Vox lethal.First time fighting chaos.
>>498822816>kill carnifex with heavy bolter, it was auspexed by the tac so the game looks easy>play with lowlifes that dont want to wait for the execution to finnish>die alone to the shit they didn´t realize they aggrodfun
>>498822790Nta but making perks for a specific difficulty seems kind of odd. The entire perk system, however, needs sweeping changes.
G7AUXReliquary LethalPlaying Tactical
Lethal seems like it was made specifically for premades communicating on mic.
>>498823149>ai doesn't try to balance around your pick>zoanthropes show up>you're assault>your ai are vanguard and bulwark>they don't know the enemy is hovering 15 feet off the floorIf you're not going to balance the ai around your class, at least give us the option to choose 3 classes for the ai to pick. That way in case you pick a conflicting class, it's not gonna randomly give you bullshit.
>>498823538I have everything on mute, I don't want to hear anyone's voice
>>4988234712/3
>Nerfs-melee-ammo crates-tactical class-armor-anti boss melta bomb>Buffs-none>Needs fixing-allows AI to use your class setup and level to make them viable in solo-allows same class as other players in coop-boltersWhy game devs like this?
>>498823353I could see it, as an "endgame grind" kind of tree that only autist (like me) who run lethal would give a fuck aboutOr realistically it could be not linked to perks and a simple redesign of the current systemHonestly, if Saber were to double the range right now and quadruple the "pool" of cohesion so it could be built and slowly "drip" instead of an on/off thing 99% of the problem linked to it would disappear overnight
did they at least fix their shit optimization?
>>498824492lol
>>498823471>>498823776Come anons.Don't you want to see what the Heldrake fight is like?
>>498823925>Melee>Tactical>Melta bombAll the things I like.What the fuck Saber.
So are the difficulties harder? Or are people just retarded? Or is it both? It seems like the game wants to throw more Warriors at you, but at the same time I'm just seeing my teammates going down constantly.Also for Lethal, do those all those Extremis enemies drop relic armoury data? Because that would seem like a better place to farm that shit.
>>498824492Lmao
>>498821497Blood Angel anon here, game immediately crashed when the elevator sequence started, sorry
>>498824742Melee is still good, arguably maybe better in some ways nowTactical is still the best class, even more so than beforeThe melta-bomb nerf is indefensible, it's just bullshit retardation
>>498824742Auspex scan feels shit now.It's like the tactical doesn't have ult or something.
>>498825130IDK I still two shot warriors on lethal with it.
>>498824858>Also for Lethal, do those all those Extremis enemies drop relic armoury datano, you still only get 2 from a Lethal run. One from finding the skull, one from killing a Terminus boss, same as the other difficulties.Lethal only gives increased XP/currency, but if you are still leveling in Lethal then you shouldn't be there lol.
We need to let them COOK
>>498823471we still need one more brother
>>498825380Logging in
>>498817469>>498820168I cracked the codeHelmetless! So the lack of the death mask isn't as bad. And also, the corvax white definitely helps>>498820620Yes. They added retributor gold to the primary colours.
>>498823925>nerf melee? They specifically only buffed melee weapons since release. This patch also only had buffs for melee>ammoInconsequential>tactical and meltaGuess they want bosses to stay alive. Dont think tactical isnt any weaker this patch>armoursEffectively still stronger than launch. Ranged units besides VC warriors have been gutted since last patch. The problem though has always been ranged units shooting when youre in melee range.>>498824241I think ill have to play more to decide on whether anons are just kvetching about the radius. I played mostly assault last night but didnt feel like i was stronger or weaker. Some have said that youre supposed to go behind enemy line to disrupt ranged units. I could see how thats an argument but honestly even before cohesion it was never a good idea to be completely out of jet pack or grappel when you land behind enemy line.>>498824858Lethal requires a different mindset imo. Extremis never dropped armoury data, youre thinking terminus, which still spawns at random and only once.>>498825130>>498825209It only affects boss. Unless its actually bugged anything you felt is just placebo
>>498825618Forgot pic.
>>498825797too bad he cant have hair
Why can't devs use irl rounds for bolters?How to fix bolters.Variation>1) Armor piercingHas a chance to pierce and increase Damage for majoris and above enemies but reduce damage for minoris>2) ExplosiveDeals small AoE Damage that can kill minoris and has a chance to break guard shield/block enemies and knock back majoris when it doesn't block/shielded>3) scoped bolters(zoomed a bit)Huge increase head shot damage, increase damage and accuracy.>4) increase mag and reloadIncrease damage, magazine, reserve and reload
>>498821212The fact that there is no last man standing mechanic that allows you to get armour back if you're the only player alive is enough to show me they didn't think squad coordination out at all. Who the fuck is ever going to be able to hold out for up to five minutes with no way to replenish armour in combat? Some of the hypest moments in co-op games come from being able to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat despite the odds stacked against you and they made it almost impossible to pull off due to the game just arbitrarily preventing you from utilising a core fucking mechanic because you're not standing dick-to-ass with your battel bruvas.
>>498824968GG's we won in the end.
>>498826268you rike?
>>498821497That got fuckin rough halfway through.Sorry I kept dying. Bulwark clutched like crazy and basically solo'd the titan section.Thanks, man.>>498824968Sorry, brother. You were missed.
Just got home from work. Gonna pop my lethal cherry. Anyone want to help?YGX4K
>>498826064>armour pierceThey actually all innately penetrate multiple targets, but yeah block shouldnt be 100% damage negation>explosiveMissed opportunity there. Variants could then actually have cool differences.>headshotI think in addition to a base damage boost, also a body shot damage boost. ABR and HBR have the potential to be heavy bolter lite, but because its so easy to miss the head and do nearly nothing they feel awful to use.>ammoYea, and another issue is that ammo variants for ANY weapon is far too good. Rarity should always give more ammo for reserve IMO. Too many guns have shit ammo economy when you dont have the ammo variant>>498826268I actually did it once as heavy last session, but i stayed close to my downed teammate and im pretty sure cohesion remained. When youre actually the last one alive youre screwed though.
>>498821950>nerf meleeWhat? They literally buffed the melee perk attacks.
>>4988267362/3
>>498826736>>498827007And full
Helldiverchad here. The fact you guys are getting nerfs and we're getting buffs is gay as shit and I'd like to offer a trade since our game is boring as shit now.
>plays tactical class and using plasma to level it up>Feels janky overall>Check for patch notes>Fencing got nerf>Class weapon got nerf>You need fellow team mates to restore armor when doing executionsThat killed the fun.I guess I'll go back to sniper or heavy since they barely use melee and deal lots of damage.
>>498827373They hired Alexus after he got fired, trust the plan
>>498827559>after he got firedDid he really or are we just memeing?
ZDCBRLethal Inferno
If the enemies werent so spongy and coherency didn't require you to be up somebodies asscrack lethal wouldn't be so bad. Having to deal with 3+ extremis plus ranged majoris and a horde at the same time is retarded if you cant cut them down fast enough.
Honestly I like the Coherency mechanic, I feel genuine fear being separated from my squad now.
>Bulwark has a specific delay for parry input>Vanguard has a parry timing perk>Different weapons have specific parry delays>Balanced and fencing have totally different parry timingsIs Saber retarded?
>>498827374>fencing nerfYou still have instant parry though. Thats like its biggest strength. 20 parry frames has always been a ridiculously lenient parry window. Used to be thirty lmao. >class weapon nerfWdym? If you mean ability it only affects bosses. Not sure if that includes terminus though. Also, assuming youre stacking all bonus damage, the - 30% bonus see
Is there no passive armor regen in lethal?
>>49882948760 second timer that gets paused/reset if you go out of cohesion or take any damage.
>>498829001>bulwarkDelay is awful, but not impossible to compensate for. I consider this a bug. >different weapon timingIn my experience this is not the case>fencing vs balanceOne has a 10f startup, the other is instant. I dont see a problem at all. Both last 10 frames.>>498829487there is but during combat its never mattered.
>>498829526>60 secondsJesus fucking christ, what absolute bullshit.
>>498829632>>498829526Where did you get 60? 25 second as per bulwark class team perk.
w0000w zoanthrope made me crash
>>498827373No deal, I came here as a refugee because they ruined bugs D9I'd rather get spitroasted by lictors and terminator than play this boring shit again
>>498829865>i havent played lethal yetthe post
>>498829526>reset if out of cohesionWait, the regular ass passive armor regen's stopped tooYou fucking jokin? No wonder I've felt I get no armor even between fights.
I actually don't feel like playing the new difficulty. T4 already felt too spongy. I played a T3 today because I didn't play for a while and decided to try the new patch. I have to admit the HP values on enemies feel right on this difficulty. It was fun until the game disconnected. >>498829572>I dont see a problem at all.It fucks with my muscle memory to no end. If I'm playing bulwark and then swap to another class and another weapon type, or vice versa, I'm fumbling every parry for the next 10 minutes. It's not without a reason that Dark Souls has like 2 main parry windows.
>>498830628yeah but elden ring has like 4 different types of parries so honestly i dont see any issueits just a thing to relearn, no big dea;
Not only does Lethal suck dick but it's forced everybody back onto the same few classes so the conflict issue is worse than ever. I have lost most of my confidence in this game's future in less than 24 hours.
>>498829148>the - 30% bonus seeIt's the base.Let's say auspex has 100% then if you include the expert timing ADDITIONAL 100% from the base, that's a total 200% already, if you ADD the precise calibration that ADDS 75% from the base that's a total of 275%.They nerf the base soIt's now a 70% and if you ADD the expert timing ADDITIONAL 100% from the base. That's only 70% and a total of 140% and if you ADD precise calibration that ADDS 75% from the base, that's only 52.5% a total of 192.5%.Like more than a 100% damage drop off.
>>498831010How would you explain this to someone with a small brainHypothetically of course
>>498831010but on lethal none of that matters because the boss is still dead in ~30sec if your team isnt fucking around
>>498831134>How would you explain this to someone with a small brainWhen you buy a burger and then your GF bite a chunk out of it.That's what tactical mains feel right now.
>>498830179>>498827373What happened to Helldivers? I haven't touched tthe game because the game runs like shit on my laptop.>>498830787>Elden ring has more parry windowsYeah but that game has a shitton of weapons and if you're not using something special like a buckler or Zimbabwe's anime sword most weapons/shield share like two. Pic related.
>>498831010>additive vs multiplicativeWhat is your source for this? As far as I am aware no one has been able to determine one way or the other.>inb4 I made it the fuck up
Anyone playing?
>>49883161725G5G
G5NASLethal Decap2/3
>>498831413What a fucking bitch
>Get to the very end of a run>CrashOkay.
>>498831248>team isnt fucking aroundThat's the problem. Tactical mains serves as frontline and support, a good all rounder with auspex.Now if a frontline dies, tactical can jump in with battles focus(free auspex after parry) because it reduced the debuff by 60%.Before I can kill majoris in few hits after parry/debuff. Now I have to hit them many times despite having the debuff.It's role as a support got nerf big time.
>>498830313I have, but there is literally no mention of changes to how armour regen works outside of coherency, only for finishers, as per the patch note. Youve tested this or what?>>498831010Where did you get this info? I need prove that its not just a simple additive buff.
>>498831485I main tactical and did ruthless to check out the nerf.And it's very noticeable there a huge nerfs difference/damage against huve tyrants.And it's harder to fight now on lethal.
>>498831437>What happened to Helldivers?The devs couldnt balance the game properly so a lot of high-end gameplay was people picking the same weapon/loadout/armor every game, this led to a mass outcry that is still heard to this dayEventually the devs caved-in and nerfed all the difficulty away from the game, so now you can pick anything you want, but you can also play without your brainNot gonna lie, I'm scared the same thing could happen to SM2
good job brothers clean lethal runshame you guys ping was so high
>every lethal victory I’ve had has had a grenade launcherthink this weapon might be busted as fuck
>>498832846Its already in sm2. Bolt weapons need serious help. Some people argue melee but i think its mostly fine. Block weapons are legit just not in a good spot.
>>498832962cleared my first one as bulwark bot tactical and sniper chad
>>498832753he called it
>>498832962Weird, mine is melta.And won a lot with it.
East Asia, lethal. Not usinf vanguard or bulwark.Code 3PGJ4
>>498832997Bolters arent that big of a big deal, some of them need buffs but most classes have the option to just not pick them and still do perfectly fineAssault is the only class that is truly fucked, over than that there's a good spread of loadout and weapon even at high level
Space Marine 2?More like Helldivers 3 with those nerfs.I guess I'll jump ship to Starship Trooper game at this point.
>zoanthrope beam hitbox still bullshit>every bolt weapon is still a peashooter>block is trash>Chaos armor drought>servers are still shit>no build diversity>new extra spongy difficulty>game runs worseNot very appetizing. See you next month.
>>498833538Assault is not great i agree, but mostly because perks are ass.
GHVCDLethal, new map.
>be vanguard>jump to range elites>Dies because there's no armor recovery upon execution.So only sniper, tactical melta and heavy melta can easily clear lethal difficulties?
>have the decal that would let me make my dark angel bulwark fifth company>can't use it because bugI am angryAngry about Russians.
Based on how people are taking today's patch, I predict they double or triple cohesion's size in the next patch.
>>498833870Tacticals have GL bolter and plasma incinerator, and every heavy weapon is good.
>>498833653Assault needs to either have a fuckload of I-frames on jump pack dodges, a way to refund ability charges by doing perfect jump pack dodges, or both.He also needs a power axe but that's just my SM1 nostalgia talking.
>>498833870Bulwark and Vanguard are good in lethal, really, it's not melee, it's just assault
4RMUC, America Lethal, I'm playing heavy
>>498834047What it needs is a health regen ability like Vanguard and Bulwark have.
>>498834192Room for 1 more.
>Diablo 4 nerfs on its first patch while ignoring the real problems>Took them a year to fix it>Helldivers 2 nerfs on its early patches before fixing the real problems>Took them several months to fix it>SM2 are having nerfs this recent patchesI'm dropping the game now see you guys next year.
>>498834606yes
>>498832997Melee is not fine. Hacking away at any enemy while you're getting peppered from range makes it a reall shit option even worse with the thunder hammer. Power sword literally takes 4+ light swings to kill minoris enemies and way more for majoris.
>>498834634Darktide didn't get shit nerfed before they fixed the real problems, IIRCI want to say the weapon balance was somewhat decent (barring flamers being dogshit forever and always)
>>498833956They should just admit that it was a shit idea in the first place and take it out completely.
>>498834782>"When its power cell is activated, often by touching a control located on the hilt, the blade is sheathed in a lethal corona of disruptive energy. This energy field allows the blade to carve through flesh, bone and most forms of armour plate alike, making a power sword a highly effective close combat weapon. ">"...Like all power weapons, a power sword projects a disruptive energy field along the blade of the weapon, allowing it to slice armour or strike with explosive impact."Doesn't feel that way in-game.
>>498834192Baalbuddy should draw her holding hands with a guardman in an Emperor-approved, wholesome way.
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>>498834937>Darktide weapon balanceI remember the autopistol (SMG) being super meta for one patch with literally every normie-sized class, even psyker, running it. Then it got nerfed into meme status and FS seems to be pretending it never existed.>shit flamerI'll never understand why they made it do 0 dmg to armored enemies. I would make them wear a heated suit of knight armor and how comfortable it feels.
>>498833870Your Cohesion decays after leaving an ally. So you'd still get the Armor. But you probably don't even play the game otherwise you'd know that, you're just here to cause problems.
>>498789092That shit isn't canon but Custodes are indeed taller.
>>498835470>Your Cohesion decays after leaving an ally.Not him but it decays in like, 3 seconds, that's part of the problem of why this mechanic is so oppressive, you're on a tight leash constantly
>Lethal>people around level 10 with green versions of the worst guns in the gameMaybe pick another time to level your bolt carbine. This playerbase should be decimated like an unruly legion, bunch of fuck up mouthbreathers.
>>498836586>>498836586>>498836586>>498836586
>>498836059Don't try to divert attention you fucking Raven nigger, WHERE IS MY THUNDERHAW?!?!?
>>498834937It took darktide 3 years to even be in a playable state
>>498831437Buffed everything to the point where the elite boss monsters dies faster than they can spawn in. They also buffed everything to the point where weapon tiers exist to deal with various armor ratings, but because all weapons have been more or less been made derivatives with their stat lines, there is literally no reason to use lower Armor Piercing weapons over their AP varients, bringing the entire efforts to balance the game back to square one.
