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VT3 when

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Canadia?
More like CACAnadia!

>>502876870
After Darktide 2

>>502876870
3 years after darktide 2

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TOTAL AND COMPLETE PIG DEATH.

KILL PIGS.
BEHEAD PIGS.
ROUNDHOUSE KICK A PIG INTO THE CONCRETE.
SLAM DUNK A PIG BABY INTO THE TRASHCAN.
CRUCIFY FILTHY PIGS.
DEFECATE IN A PIGS FOOD.
LAUNCH PIGS INTO THE SUN.
STIR FRY PIGS IN A WOK.
TOSS PIGS INTO ACTIVE VOLCANOES.
URINATE INTO A PIGS GAS TANK.
JUDO THROW PIGS INTO A WOOD CHIPPER.
TWIST PIGS HEADS OFF.
REPORT PIGS TO THE IRS.
KARATE CHOP PIGS IN HALF.
CURB STOMP PREGNANT BLACK PIGS.
TRAP PIGS IN QUICKSAND.
CRUSH PIGS IN THE TRASH COMPACTOR.
LIQUEFY PIGS IN A VAT OF ACID.
EAT PIGS.
DISSECT PIGS.
EXTERMINATE PIGS IN THE GAS CHAMBER.
STOMP PIG SKULLS WITH STEEL TOED BOOTS.
CREMATE PIGS IN THE OVEN.
LOBOTOMIZE PIGS.
MANDATORY ABORTIONS FOR PIGS.
GRIND PIG FETUSES IN THE GARBAGE DISPOSAL.
DROWN PIGS IN FRIED CHICKEN GREASE.
VAPORIZE PIGS WITH A RAY GUN.
KICK OLD PIGS DOWN THE STAIRS.
FEED PIGS TO ALLIGATORS.
SLICE PIGS WITH A KATANA
PUT A BOMB IN A PIG'S MOUTH.
THROW KNIVES AT PIGS.
INFLATE PIGS UNTIL THEY POP.
SEND PIGS INTO A BLACKHOLE.
CASTRATE PIGS.
FEED PIGS POISONED FOOD.
FORCE PIGS TO WALK THE PLANK.
PUSH PIGS INTO A PIT.
KNEEL ON A PIG'S NECK.
CURSE PIGS WITH A SPELL.
STUFF PIG BABIES INTO THE WASHING MACHINE AND TURN IT ON.
FLATTEN PIGS WITH A TANK.
POP A PIG'S CAR TIRE.
STRIKE PIG CHILDREN WITH A RULER.
MAKE PIGS SWIM IN THE MARIANA TRENCH.
CUT OFF A PIG'S LIMBS.
AIRDROP PIGS INTO ANTARCTICA.
THROW PIGS OFF THE BOAT.
PRESSURIZE PIGS INTO FINE CRYSTALS.
LIGHT FIREWORKS IN A PIG'S ASS.
FALCON-PUNCH A PIG IN THE FACE.
MAKE PIGS INTO FICTION.
BLOW PIGS HEADS OFF WITH GRENADE LAUNCHERS.
BLOW PIGS BRAINS OPEN WITH A SNIPER RIFLE.
LOCK PIGS IN A CAGE AND DROWN THEM UNDERWATER.
NAIL PIGS TO A CROSS AND STAB THEM.
RUN OVER PIGS WITH A TANK FEET-FIRST.
THROW PIGS OFF BUILDINGS.
CRUSH PIGS WITH A PRESS.
ATTACK PIGS WITH ACID.
BOIL PIGS IN A PAN.
LOCK PIGS INSIDE A BRAZEN BULL.
BURN PIGS ALIVE.

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>>502876968
DELETE THIS!

>>502877191
why is he brown?

>>502877414
He's C*nadian

>>502876678
>not sure if elf thread

>>502877663
cacanadian

>>502877853
elk thread

>>502877663
CACAnadian

Reminder that Darktide has no elves and thus is inferior

Reminder: Vet's are the special snowflake class and will be getting their own detailed write up regarding their new weapons.

>>502877980
I suppose an elk will suffice.

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>ogryn flashlight gun
>Two-handed weapons for psycher and veteran
I'm getting excited here

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>switching back to an older build you haven't used in a while.
Stealth zealot has spoiled me. Being able to turn invisible every 5 seconds is so cheesy. If a situation goes bad with Stealth Zealot, I can blip out and give myself some breathing room to fix a problem. With Chorus and fury, one needs to be more mindful of shit.

>>502878742
Veterans are just getting shovels with long handles

>>502879014
>i can pull too many enemies and dump the aggro on my team
Ftfy

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Do you guys Play Zomboid here?

>>502879014
I tried stealth for a little while and didn't care for it. You get to dump on one enemy every time it's up, and besides a bit of toughness DR/regen, you get no other benefit from it besides bitching out and dumping everything on your teammates. I'll take Fury any day. It does so much fucking work. I'll come back to stealth if I ever care enough to run solo or feel like intentionally throwing teammates under the bus.

What perks do you want on a recon lasgun? What marks should you use?

Bros... I didn't liked vermintide 1 and 2 but darktide has been really clicking with me, what's wrong with me?

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my soul is not prepared to have waited two years for power greatsword only for it to be a piece of shit
new activation mechanic was some great news, but it's still worrying
>a sword with an overheat mechanic
all I can hope for is that they've reworked the first quarter of zealot tree and buffed martyrdom when it arrives, so I can at least cope with the non-crit, "i-it's a good weapon with martyrdom" build

>>502880237
Darktide is easier

>>502880336
elaborate

>>502880237
I liked both of those games and I mostly play darktide now. It just has more depth.

>>502880336
>in darktide you can get gold toughness reliably from pretty much only one ability on one class
>in vermintide everyone can get gold toughness from just swinging their weapons
I dunno about that

>>502880290
It's the midsection of Zealot tree that really needs work. Most of it is trash or too far out of the way to bother with. The first third is mostly fine, but you do have some dumb shit like "lol toughness on ranged kill" that has no reason to exist and should never have been more than an errant thought.

Give me tips for psycher on darktide?
I'm level 9, the default power feels like a chore, how do I staff???? help a brainlet /coopg/

>>502880628
Psyker is the worst class to level.
Go assail, and for ability take the bubble shield. That's the least painful leveling route.
Staves are just bad, period. They never become good. Guns are decent once you're lvl 30 and can make proper builds for them.

>>502881267
what makes staves bad?
I tried the shock staff and I'm wondering what is even the point of this when I can just shock niggas with the shock ability

>>502880628
Don't bother with any equipment and use assail for the first twenty levels. Brainburst is only good if you have a bunch of late tree synergies that lowers the spoolup time a lot.

>>502881459
>what makes staves bad?
Nothing, they're very good and he's a fucking moron.

>>502881459
do not listen to him staves are very good

>>502881525
help me git gud with them

>>502880781
>spamming nods as rat
unfathomably toxic and yet hilarious

I use the full auto and swing mods.
Any other boomer here?

>>502881843
full auto aswell, I know this game can really fuckup your hand

>>502879251
If you suck I guess.
>>502879667
>besides bitching out and dumping everything on your teammates.
Usually, I'm in and out of stealth so quickly there's hardly any time for aggro to switch. Outside of that, it's for some lever pulling or vox puzzle. I enjoy Fury as well but right now I'm checking out Chorus since I haven't touched it in a while.

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So, what this boils down to is that we can expect at least 1 major update a year for darktide right? At least we know there is something to look forward to even if they are slow to develop.

>>502882903
yooo where are the new classes tho? that shit could add so many hours of gameplay.
Just having 2 more could really changes things up cause even 100+hours autists get more things to do

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>>502880426
It doesn't require as much skill, it's more forgiving and easier to play
Enemies barely attack you, it takes ages for them to take a swing at you
They get staggered for longer, so you can push horde away and take your time to aim at specials with a massive time window
You can mostly mash left click and only occasionally dodge and push and that's enough, in VT you have to do that every other swing
Everyone gets immortality ironshitter passive regenerating constantly, which also protects you from ranged damaged of Ratling and Archer equivalents to make it even easier
Heroes are far more power creeped and spam broken aoe abilities every few seconds either outright killing or staggering and knocking down everyone around forever
Crushers are Stormvermin equivalents, but used less often than Chaos Warriors, so there is basically no need for players to learn melee combat. Any melee combat checks barely exists. In fact only Vermintide veterans know how to melee in Darktide, if you never played it, you will never learn, since it's not needed to play
Mobility tools like vaulting over obstacles and sliding are boosted OP and make it basically impossible to get cornered and die, since you can kite enemies endlessly
There is no need to learn Monster attack patterns, because you can just endlessly dodge slide away from them and magdump them

Because of those and many other reasons, it's far easier to get into the game, it doesn't filter players that hard.
>>502880564
It's not powercreeped toughness, it won't disable enemy hits every few seconds and it still takes at best 2 or 3 enemy swings to kill you, provided you even acquired it, since unlike in darktide it doesn't disable ranged damage and it decays instead of regenerating passively.

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>curios cost plasteel and diamantine to refine
>give no plasteel or diamantine on discard

you can really fully customize curios? no need to grind anything to unlock perks n shit? feels weird to me.

>>502883410
You need to grind for the highest base stat curios still.

>1 new game mode
>1 new map
>3 new weapon families
>1 new free cosmetics
>anniversary in game event with rewards
>balance and fixes
we eatin good, sisters

>>502882832
>If you suck I guess
I just described you and now you admit that it's the behaviour of someone who sucks

Is it possible to make leveling new characters easier?
I mean you can technically level up weapons if your mastery is high enough level.

>>502883078
>Crushers are Stormvermin equivalents
crushers are chaos warrior equivalents, no idea what you're smoking

>Everyone gets immortality ironshitter passive regenerating constantly,
vt2 has temp hp, darktide has toughness, only difference is that in darktide teammates won't kill you while you're trying to refill

darktide auric damnation is easier than cata, somewhere on the level of legend, and maelstrom is somewhere on the level of legend deeds

darktide needs harder game modes and hopefully havoc is exactly that

it's also important to note that harder =/= better

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>>502876870
After the genestealer expansion, when they've beta-tested mechanics enough with Versus and Darktide doesn't milk the piggies anymore. Also, set in AoS, means that one of the new playable characters will be a seraphon. Comes with Versus as a default option.

>>502884305
curios with +30% xp?

>>502880237
Darktide is more engaging

>>502878742
>dbspic post

Goonloogin is so much fun. Way better than shitty charge ogryn.

>>502876870
When these faggot Swedes finally let VT2 die and stop clinging to it like the last cock in hell.
>>502884585
>Also, set in AoS
They unironically couldn’t. Everything in AoS is cranked up to 11. It’s like Fantasy on crack where every faction numbers in the literal billions and the Realms are pretty much their own separate planets. Also it’s pretty pozzed so I don’t want it

>>502882903
I’m pretty sure it’s more like 3 a year. Still slow but it’s something like you said

>>502879593
Sorry buddy, we only play /tide/ games here ;)

>>502879014
>>502879667
invis is a good utility/support tool but there is a lot of retards using it to, well, play like retards and then run from problems

right now the game is easy enough that you don't really need abilities on zealot if your team knows where the left mouse button is, so you can just keep invis off cooldown until you actually need it

sure you can solo carry with fury but invis makes recovering incredibly easy

you can (and should) use invis to do objectives and to get 2 guaranteed revolver crits

>>502881678
They're pretty self explanatory man it's not that complicated.
>infernus is for FWOOOSH on hordes
>voidstrike is for BOOM on heads
>voidblast is for BAM on anything near you
>electro is for BZZZTT on shit

>>502882832
>Usually, I'm in and out of stealth so quickly there's hardly any time for aggro to switch
It still seems to lower your threat level automatically. I'd often notice enemies not reacquire me after I get out of stealth.

>>502885795
Voidstrike is bad, BAD!

>>502885931
Shut the FUCK up retard no it isn't

>>502881678
With any staff, once you get enough levels in, go for venting shriek with the soulblaze node, psykinetic's aura, seer's presence and warp siphon.
You blast really hard until you're full on peril, smash the ult button at a horde and repeat.

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Reminder that you can focus downed heroes and it's often a better idea than to try disable his teammates and get killed off trying to do so. You can quickly permanently remove him from game, before the rest of Heroes even has a chance to react.

Also everyone in both my team and enemy team was a noob, it was a ridiculous match. Poor guys here didn't even know where to go, probably never even played normal Brachsenbrücke, since they didn't even try to cross the river like usual. Instead they went into opposite direction and dwarf here in a desperation voluntarily jumped into the river looking for a way to progress kek.

>>502885974
Okay then, redpill me on it. Or else...

>>502884697
you still need to reach at least 16, it definetly helps on the slog that is 24-30.
I got my first toon to level 30 in like 15 hours

is it normal to not understand what a lot of blessings do? sometimes I google them and people at reddit say fatshark sucks at explaining things

>>502886305
ah, right
i guess you'd have to look for games with modifiers/books and maelstroms

could also work on penances while leveling up, like collecting skulls, so it feels less like a waste of time

>>502884585
>genestealer expansion
I hope not, it's too obvious and thus boring.

>>502876678
>played DoW as a barely literate child
>looking at the factions in the army painter
>thought the Cadians were Canadians

>>502886097
You charge it up and shoot things in the face with it and it goes BOOM and they die

is leveling up on darktide faster than vermintide? not sure why both games feel like a glorified tutorial till you are max level

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>>502880781

>>502886305
to add, maybe you could have someone inviting you to play harder difficulties than those you can queue solo, maybe even aurics? not sure how it works.

>>502886738
>not sure why both games feel like a glorified tutorial till you are max level
At least leveling a character in DT is more fun now with the talent trees. V2 leveling was fucking miserable and actually made me drop playing any characters except elf and kruber for the longest time.

>>502886576
No, that’s not how this works.

>>502881459
problem with psyker is that it is really reliant on a lot of your perks and capstone working together to feel like the class should, so it can be painful to level. once you get leveled and get your skills sorted out staves are a lot of fun.

I have 2000 hours in shopclick now and the more I play the more I'm starting to realize that the single most "this allows you to carry" stat is whatever kills bruisers and poxwalkers as fast as possible while still being mobile, because this is what gives you space whenever anything bad happens, especially during events. Also for personal safety, anything that rapes ragers
crusher damage is nice but they're also pussies so I feel like it's way too easy to overinvest

>>502885680
Yea, Fury let me do some really silly shit this one time. Everyone was dead and there was a mixture of ragers, crushers, and other shit chasing me around.
>"Give me a second fellas, I'll get ya up."
I did a big loop in this one section of the stage and managed to pick everyone up. I may have used a stun grenade in there too. I was using the dueling sword of course.
>>502885906
I'm not 100% sure about the aggro mechanics but the longer you're in stealth, the more time enemies have to lock onto other players from what I've seen. So if you're waiting out the full 5 seconds everything will be on your team. There's a 1-second "confusion" period coming in and going out of stealth where enemies who are focused on you or someone else can switch aggro based on the threat change. I can usually squeeze out two power attacks coming out of stealth before aggro switches back to me from surrounding enemies. As far as how much of those enemies aggro onto me coming out of stealth I couldn't say. Depends on people's positions and other shit.

I would assume they follow a path of least resistance and will attack whoever is closest and the highest threat to them. On top of whoever they were focused on before.

>play human class
>someone goes down
>game is now a rubix cube of trying to figure out where I need to push, knockback or kill shooters I get the space to res

>play ogryn
>someone goes down
>STOMPING SNIVELLERS into free res

I think ogryns will carry havoc mode

>>502889080
Havoc will just be 2 ogryns and 2 vets
Z**l*ts and ps*k*rs are neither needed nor wanted

>>502889080
Ogryn is incredibly powerful but no one wants to play as a big ugly retard that looks like they could be part of the concord cast, then you have the larping redditors as another turn off. Doesn’t matter how strong they are people just don’t want any part of it. Ogryn is the dev team time vampire, they wanted le big man and now they have to make custom animations for every single addition to the class that next to no one wants to play. Comedy gold

Dear spark'eads:

If you see a lot of shooters, shotgunners, gunners, reapers and snipers ahead, if you see me rushing foward and plant my shield, and if you see their heads turn red, please DO NOT bubble me. I'm trying to get as many ranged enemies into melee as possible by block taunting them via Attention Seeker trait.
While the intention is pretty much appreciated, I cannot block taunt ranged enemies if the bubble absorbs the shoots. Instead just hang back behind me/cover and snipe them from afar while they are distracted.

>>502889080
Havoc will be carried by Vets screaming at everyone while smiggers stunlock everything

Did I got filtered by psyker?
>mental powers make your head hurt
>Staves also make your head hurt
I don't know how to use my shit

>>502890841
Should have just went for a Skitarii class honestly. An Ogryn even doesn’t have much business being in a small strike team like this where stuff like communication and understanding tactics/strategy should be vital

>>502891389
It's not a coincidence that the skills that buff staves are in the same line as the blitz you will be using least often.

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1 week on the dot until PlaystationGODS join us in the sun. We’re so back Darkbros!

>>502890841
>Ogryn is incredibly powerful but no one wants to play as a big ugly retard that looks like they could be part of the concord cast
Mean words, you will get boxed for that
>then you have the larping redditors as another turn off.
Imagine having redditors living in your head rent free

Dude what the fuck were they going for with Dukane's voice? That vocal fry ia obnoxious.

>>502890841
>>502891445
I like playing ogryn and i appreciate them being in the game

>>502880619
My main issue with the first quarter is that the crit section seems borderline mandatory, the other two blitzes are dogshit, and the toughness on dodge is also basically mandatory as the other methods of generating toughness elsewhere there aren't very good.
Or they could just give martyrdom gold toughness generation somehow.

>>502891623
so if you use blitz you won't be using staves... what is the point of staves then? or did I got it backwards and staves are stronger than blitzs?

>>502883035
Never ever. Unironically.
Its more likely to see new enemy factions than a new class

played 1 game with recon lasgun and never want to look back
having more than 30 bullets in the magazine is such a massive QOL for any gun thats not exclusively for deleting armor.

>>502883078
>In fact only Vermintide veterans know how to melee in Darktide
I hate that this is true. Its baffling to see people with more hours in DT than I have in all Tide games combined who clearly dont understand the fundamentals and are only carried by their crutches.

>>502891670
based we need the player boost

>>502891867
In my experience staves do better at higher difficulties where you start seeing lots of armored targets and really big swarms. They have a blessing that lowers your peril on a headshot that lets the fire pretty much forever as long as you hit heads about half the time.

>>502892361
What are the fundamentals exactly? I’d like to learn

>>502890854
i hate shieldgryns so much it's unreal

>>502890854
>dear class that can put down a shield
>please don't put down a shield while I am stunlocking myself to do the exact same thing
>I want to be sitting there doing nothing, and while your shield allows me to actually kill the enemies I'm trying to tonk, I uh... uhh... I just dont want that okay?

how majorly brainfogged do you have to be to keep taking red ammo bags while you're at white ammo
this nigger kept doing it and he wasn't even trying to be funny or something, he just mashed e on every pickup I guess. And keep in mind this was on fucking auric maelstrom of all things, who the fuck plays like that on auric maelstrom

>>502893173
sorry i have autoloot

>>502893173
sorry haha autoloot has a mind of its own! :)

>>502893173
oh yeah he triple dipped the ammo box too despite not really using his revolver much

>>502892361
Worst part is how fucked the team’s positioning always is. In vermintide nearly everyone knows that a wall to you back to scoot along is a winning position. I’m darktide everyone is just running all over the fucking place like they’re the last man standing. Can’t even remember the last time i’ve seen randoms in darktide pull ambients and dealing with them as they climb before dropping down, they just jump down and pray

>>502893173
sorry my its one of my 10000 cheating piece of shit mods :)

>>502892537
avoiding damage by dodging and pushing

>>502892537
Mainly dodgedancing. People are just horrendously bad at it. Keeping track of your effective dodges and pacing yourself is important (with most weapons).
Weaving pushes and more importantly pushattacks into said dodgedance. Some mouthbreathers dont even know that pushattacks exist lmao.
Know the weapon moveset. Some people even in Aurics just mash light attacks when something like heavy -> light -> pushattack -> repeat would be 2 times better dps and control.
There's really no excuse for tanking hits in melee. And basically any typical mixed horde should feel trivial. But I see people go down all the time to something like a couple ragers and maulers in a horde. Its just dumb.

>>502891867
You’re asking what the point of an unlimited ammo weapon is in a game where ammo is a resource. They’re all very good, I find trauma is the best all arounder for match making because it has incredible CC on top of good damage, take head pop as your blitz for any sniping needs and you can deal with anything between those two. Melee weapon can be whatever you enjoy because you won’t need to use it much

>>502893257
>>502893284
kek

>>502892537
>back to a wall limits how many enemies can try to hit you
>always be doing two of the following at the same time
>attacking
>dodging
>blocking
>pushing
>moving towards the thinnest enemy density
When you get the hang of it you’ll find you’re always keeping near a good spot to fight and cover your ass, you’ll bully the trash until there’s a gap, then you can break out and start circling around them and kiting as needed. Of course there’s no go to, different situations need different solutions and the awful addition of sprinting means looping areas like you’re playing cod zombies is very powerful in this game.

if you can turn a weapon into whatever you want using the mastery system, what is the point of weeklies?

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Can any lore niggaz redpill me on the Kroots? What’s their deal? They seem cool but would they really fit into the game like I’ve been hearing?

>>502891389
>he doesn't have the perk that boosts his damage from having high peril

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post yfw crossplay with playstation players

>>502894550
Good weapons before you have the masteries or resources to build one. Also random curio fishing.

>>502892831
If I have to tonk then closing the distance was not option even with bubble

>>502881459
Shock staff actually deals damage.

>>502891867
Staves are a crutch for people who are shit at this game to clear hordes.
The surge staff is a crutch against mid tier elites, its just terrible.
Anyone shilling for staves is an incompetent shitter and they're embarrasingly often heresylets where the abysmal damage output doesnt matter.
Guns are far better for playing psyker properly which is like 90% melee and 10% shooting (mainly specials).
Btw if you spam smite you're the biggest imbecile this game has.

>>502894981
Can you stop giving bad advice to new players

>>502894624
Just read up on them if you’re interested, but they’re part of tau lore which was a major turning point for 40k where it all went down hill. No they wouldn’t fit the game kek, maybe some sort of inquisition/rogue trader mass effect style game sure. Not here

>>502894624
They are bird/dinosaur people that get the best traits of the stuff they eat. Mainline kroot are members of the Tau empire but offshoots wander very far and do mercenary work in exchange for exotic monster meat. They know not to fuck with chaos and genestealer stuff, though.

Is there some meme with zealots running 6 wounds that I'm not getting?

>>502895334
Martyr build that boosts damage based on how many wounds of health are gone

>>502891812
>the crit section seems borderline mandatory
It really isn't. I play without any of that all the time. It is more powerful than the other routes though. That said, Vicious Offering+EWEW is a powerful combo, and the stunstorm path is solid. Both of the left columns from the immo tree are meme picks though. I forgot the coherency multiplier was in there too. Those definitely need replacing. The mid tree not having a real toughness option is bad, but the other three nodes leading up to immos are all good.
>the other two blitzes are dogshit
What. Both of the Zealot nades are great. Knives are only good if your gun is something like a Bolter or Flamer. Otherwise, they're redundant.

>>502895423
As in visual missing wound bars or actually just corrupted bars?

Guys I have 20 hours in darktide and never ever blocked or pushed enemies

>>502895501
Just missing hp. You don't need the empty bars to get corrupted.

>>502895501
Missing as in lost HP be it damage or corruption, anyone running this build will typically stand in a fire barrel at the start of the map of let enemies beat them up. If they don’t be worried, that means they’re probably using it to try and “be a tank” which means they’ll be going down soon.

>>502895083
New players are precisely the ones who should equip something like axe + revolver and get fucking good.
They shouldnt be encouraged to deal with hordes by spamming a garbage waveclear staff and insantly folding once the enemies are in their face.

>>502895603
The only time I block is when the game autoblocks when I pick someone up

>>502895620
>>502895727
Guess they had to give people a reason to run +wound curios. It still seems like a retarded playstyle that attracts shitters and assholes. Just had someone in my match who I guess was doing it and they went down constantly and didn't kill anything.

>>502895764
Yeah man, we should totally be telling people trying to get into the game to play fucking melee psyker and then scratch our heads in bewilderment when they quit after an hour.

>>502894624
Basically, they’re giant alien snapping turtle bird people who are frequently hired by the Tau as mercenaries, since they themselves aren’t all that plentiful or powerful, they turn to that kind of work for money and security, but of course, they’ll take any kind of job from anyone as long as they’re getting something in return. On average they’re about 8 feet tall and should be somewhere in the ballpark of 160kg given their similar height to Primaris marines. The coolest thing about them is that they evolve through eating, meaning they can assimilate the DNA of life forms they consume and selectively acquire whatever traits from them they deem desirable, and even have special leaders that will direct the rest of their group what to consume for the purpose of war, so their warbands all look really different across the galaxy. Besides that, they have (striking) strength comparable to a Space Marine, and in the case of stronger ones like the Grey King, they can even overpower Primaris Lieutenants, and they can easily tear people apart and crush skulls like eggs with their beaks. They’re pretty useful all around and one of the stronger races the Tau have taken under their wing.
Finally for weapons, they usually have the Kroot rifle, which is a breach-loading single shot rifle much like an Elephant Gun, it can shoot a number of rounds, including AP, tranquilizers, slug or the common Tau plasma shot. They fire large canisters containing the plasma charge, and so due to being one in the chamber they would realistically have a slow rate of fire, but traditionally they also have the impact power of a bolter shell.

>>502895764
Flame staff is better for horde clear than literally any melee weapon. While you're hacking away at 3 poxwalkers at a time, someone with a flame staff is deleting the entire horde at once, and everything in it short of crushers

>>502896092
Do you have a picture that isn't for ants?

>>502895968
Good riddance

>leveling up a toon on difficulty level 3
why the fuck there are level 30 niggas here why are they even dying

>>502895862
The vast majority that run it are trash yeah, it’s the worst keystone on zealot by far but it attracts the “tank” players. But now and then you’ll see someone actually using the unique break points it provides and they’ll take care of business, but my personal rule of thumb is wound maxing = pretend they are there because they probably won’t be when it matters, they’ll be on the ground.

>>502896183
>human-coded post

>>502895727
> that means they’re probably using it to try and “be a tank” which means they’ll be going down soon.
I have never seen someone say that except one retard on here who was baiting for (you)s. It's not strange to just run Martyr and play relatively normally, being more aggressive than usual but not flatout intentionally losing health. You will lose the health sooner or later, and you instead benefit from it when you do. It's whatever. If you aren't running crit, the option of Martyr VS Inexorably Judgement doesn't make much of a difference.

IJ is kind of strange. It's an objectively powerful option, but I fucking hate its inconsistency and how you will not build stacks even if you are playing correctly or have teammates doing so.
>staggering lots of enemies with heavy sweeps
>teammates staggering enemies
>just outright killing stuff before it can attack you
All punish IJ because in combat, most of your stacks come from successful dodges, which you don't get if nothing's able to attack you. I usually end up with 7-10 stacks of it rather than the full 15, and I eventually decided I'd rather take Martyr or Crit than ever run IJ again.

>>502895862
They would've been shit with either of the other keystones anyway.

>>502894624
>>502896068
In other words, they *could* fit the game, yes; but it requires making Grendyl a radical who employs Xenos and also nerfing them, since like I said, they’re functionally Space Marines in the form of weird alien snapping turtle bird people, they would have to make the one they add like a really young one with no experience or something. The biggest thing I would say that makes them stand out like a sore thumb is that they very explicitly do not need much in terms of equipment to be effective soldiers, they’re masters of cover and guerilla warfare and they don’t really need armor given their preference for camouflage and cover, so that might be a bit awkward in terms of what goodies they could get down the line. Also they don’t really assimilate Chaos stuff so not a lot of potential there

>>502894981
You are a fucking retard holy fuck

>>502890841
>big ugly retard that looks like they could be part of the concord cast
Nigger shut up it's not even fucking close.

>>502896215
>toon
kill yourself

This game is too easy when your team is good.

>>502896458
and how often would you say your team is “too good”?

>>502896324
>t. seething smigger

>>502896262
It’s shit. If you take damage at the start of the map for funky break points go for it dude, but playing it as a “well you’ll take damage eventually”, no, that’s shit. If you took a different keystone and had good curios you wouldn’t be eating shit so often and would be at full power no matter how much you’ve been fucked up. Saltz zealot it is not

>>502896458
I wish I had good teammates sometime

>>502896326
Darktide ogryns are reddit mode, they should hardly be able to form a sentence yet fatshark wrote them as fucking simple Jack. Terrible interpretation

>>502896551
I don't even know what that means you utter mongoloid.

>>502896730
If you want to be technically, Orgyns are on a sliding scale of retardation, not all of them are *that* dumb

>>502896832
The vast majority are though and not a single darktide ogryn is

>>502896215
I dont think it's that strange, a lot of very non-gamers like 40k so they'll be enjoying their malice games. It is a fun game even on malice if you're not good at it

>>502896730
>>502896932
The 3 in Darktide are all smart enough to get arrested and put in prison instead of executed on the spot. The characters aren't supposed to be the common interpretation, it's 3 characters per class that have their own backstory.

>>502893861
>Keeping track of your effective dodges
only niggers with cheat mods can do it, good players need to space their dodges and get a feeling of it

>>502896138
Penetrating flames to put brittleness on the crushers then a deimos or dueling sword heavy poke to finish them off if they get close. Can do a force charged heavy poke if feeling spicy.

>>502893173
I've had more instances of that happening in the last couple of days. One of them even led to a wipe because the fucking faggot took the ammo I needed for my bolter right as a boss showed up at a very bad time. Instead of me killing it in 15 seconds and being on our way we got raped to death by gunners.

>>502896601
You can't even produce an argument for it being shit. You just go "Martyrdom BAD" like an ape. IJ is the most milquetoast fucking keystone Zealot has because building stacks is largely reliant on something you either have to go out of your way to do throughout the entirety of the game, or you have no control over at all once combat begins.
>If you took a different keystone and had good curios you wouldn’t be eating shit so often
I specifically discussed playing more aggressively than you normally would, dumb-dumb. If you are bad at the game, Martyr is bad for you. If you aren't a walking trashcan, it's fine.
>lose two wounds
>now have as much damage boost as 16 stacks of momentum
>as much attack speed bonus as 8 stacks
>and some bonus toughness DR to boot
>forever (until you heal) without having to fuck around with spending a hit to activate them (can matter on chain weaps/TH) or worrying about whether enemies will actually attack you and let you build stacks to keep the juice going
It's built for fast-hitting, high mobility weapons, but those are also by far the best BP weapons since you will never not have EF active with those. Ironic as fuck.

Martyr is fine. BP is obviously and by far the best keystone, but Martyr is okay and makes the chain weapons perform considerably better. The problem is people that think it's an all or nothing keystone. You don't have to rope yourself to get full stack bonuses immediately. You can take a couple hits and chill and let the rest come naturally. Being able to go down to 1 and heal back to 25% every 2 minutes makes it viable, and if you don't believe that, it's a skill issue.

>>502897115
Well that’s just another element fatshark fucked up, only ogryn in a penal legion I know of had latent psyker potential. Lore wise they should have all been executed for faltering

>>502897428
>only ogryn in a penal legion I know of had latent psyker potential
Actually you know of the Darktide Ogryn too

>>502897417
>It's built for fast-hitting, high mobility weapons
IJ is built for*

>>502897417
But i’m not getting hit that often and if I do oh look I dodged once and killed a few dudes back and max toughness. I’m mainly against it conceptually however, rewarding actively taking damage in these games is awful and it’s a shame they brought it back. Again do whatever you like, you can make it work. But the longer you go without be low wounds the worse it is, you are spending points on something that is doing absolutely nothing and the vast majority of break points it helps you reach only kick in at low wounds.

>>502891670
Bro? You're in the wrong part of the warp. We're all a week back.

>>502896730
At least one of the Ogyrn personalities talks about his Bone 'Ead implant.
>>502897428
Yeah but would the Imperium be so quick to waste a Bone 'Ead?

>>502897417
logic of "people" who insist that IJ is better tham martyrdom boils down to
>i'm a good player
>but with 20%+ toughness damage reduction, 20%+ damage, and 10%+ attack speed bonuses i still keep taking health damage so often that being able to survive death and heal back to 25% health every 2 minutes isn't enough

>>502897846
playstation users who buy the imperial edition get to play next week

>>502898506
Oh yeah, forgot about the piggies.

>incoming poxburster
>"oh my teammate is right there he'll surely push it..."
>nope
every fucking time. Every single fucking time. Must I do everything?

>>502898707
It's your fault for not assuming everybody else is a turbo nigger.

>>502897903
>At least one of the Ogyrn personalities talks about his Bone 'Ead implant.
Funnily enough it's objectively the dumbest one. He's the only Ogryn with actual lore accurate intellect, he can use a gun flawlessly (almost, he sometimes puts the mag in the wrong way) and speaks almost normally thanks to his bone'ead implant but he's still an incredible retard

>>502897817
>break points
There are so many variables in tide games and breakpoints shifting due cheap damage from cleave, other players, and some random shit like mobs having friendly fire on, that breakpoints ONLY ever matter when it goes from 2-shot to 1-shot on trash and maybe 3 to 2 shot on tougher enemies, not to mention toughness damage reduction and attack speed bonus which you conveniently ignore. The moment I see anyone mentioning breakpoints without specifying anything and especially using phrases such as "the vast majority of break points" I know it's probably a shitter trying to appear smart.

At 3 missing wounds (60% hp) you get 24% damage, ~20% toughness dr, and 12 attack speed. You must be delusional to think it's worse than IJ. And the better you are as a player, the lower you can go and be safe. There is no way in hell you can pretend that 24% bonus damage doesn't let you reach good breakpoints if you care about them to begin with.

>>502896730
The darktide ogryns are way better than the lore ones. Never go full retard

When does shopclick renew the porkshop?

>>502897817
>i’m not getting hit that often
Neither am I. That's why the keystone works. You get it to the threshold you want (either intentionally or over time through sloppier defensive play) and go back to not getting hit. It's not like you have to end a game at 1k damage taken for the keystone to work.
>rewarding actively taking damage in these games is awful and it’s a shame they brought it back.
Yeah, it's not a concept I'm happy for either.
>the longer you go without be low wounds
One of the main points of my previous post was that you don't have to be at low wounds to get good benefits from Martyr, anon. Losing only 2 wounds gets you as much and more than average IJ bonuses with lower-mobility weapons. My experience running IJ on the TH was that I was only ever really at 7-10 momentum stacks after the initial 15 wore off.
>you are spending points on something that is doing absolutely nothing
It gives you consistent attack speed and toughness DR, so even if you aren't getting breakpoints, it's still always working for you.

>>502898007
I do think there is that element, but I think there're also people who haven't used all the Zealot keystones extensively, potentially with an element of youtuber watching on top of it. I've seen lots of youtubers shitting on Martyr and praising the fuck out of IJ, and I think they're both roughly on par. You risk more to get more powerful, more consistent returns with Martyr, and IJ is just kinda...there. It's free. You get something out of it, at least nearly 10% attack speed even with slower weapons like the TH, and it's nice. But it isn't actually that impactful.

>>502899068
Breakpoint are important on Vermintide. Probably less so on Darktide because it's a lot more chaotic

>>502896730
t. Zealot

>>502899068
>shitter yada yada yada
Alright moving on
Yeah it is worse. More crit means my bolter drops bosses in one less mag, I get more cleave speeding up trash clear, I get 50% damage reduction more often and get to use my +50% head shot and crit damage node more often because I’m not wasting points on resist death (which I also disagree with being part of the game). Crits are good and it had consistent up time, doesn’t eat at my curio, and doesn’t require me to get hit. Again do whatever you find fun and have success with but it’s not that good. The break points was just me trying to give the slightest edge use care to it but yeah if you don’t care about them then it’s even worse isn’t it. Of course more damage and move speed for free with a cherry on top is always going to be the best, but crit is an easy second spot.

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Vet lost.

>>502899702
>crits
But nobody was debating the objectivity of BP being Zealot's best keystone. BP is the best even with a Thunder Hammer. This isn't a question of
>which keystone is Zealot's best
It's about whether Martyr is bad or not. Stop trying to run the goalposts out of the country, you drug smuggling degenerate.

>>502899412
I agree, if you’re building into and intentionally taking damage to get it online it has its uses. But the anon i’ve been replying to seems to think it’s good as a take it and see what happens option, that’s what I disagree with.

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>>502898707
>go to push burster
>zealot knifes it sending me flying

>psyker holds down smite at all times
>all your breakpoints no longer matter
this is personally why I rarely give a shit outside of special sniping weps, obviously you want your grenade glove to oneshot trappers so +maniac it is, but outside of edge cases like that it's genuinely not giving a shit about. Just put whatever you want to cleave better on it, like flak on an ogryn knife. Maybe maniac. Maybe unarmored. There's no relevant breakpoints anyway due to bleed

>>502899914
I do this for funsies sometimes

>>502896215
they're using controllers

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>>502900000
CONSOLE BROS OUR RESPONSE?

>>502899913
? I'm >>502896262 if that's who you're talking about with
>it’s good as a take it and see what happens option
I was arguing for running it and letting yourself take some hits early on as you play like an ADHD retard who can't let off LMB. Then when you've got bonuses you're satisfied with, you can go back to not playing like a dipshit. That's all I was trying to say with
> It's not strange to just run Martyr and play relatively normally, being more aggressive than usual but not flatout intentionally losing health
and I stand by it. I definitely could've been more clear though. You WILL take some hits by intentionally forgoing defense, but you aren't going in and letting a Crusher overhead you immediately so that you don't have any safety net.

>>502899912
It’s best for big numbers on TH sure but with such bad movement move speed is even more important on it in the moment to moment. Never said it was bad, but I do believe it’s the clear worst option if the three unless you are going in with a clear intent and meaning to running it at full stacks

>>502899497
They are good to have, like I said, when it goes from 3/2 to 2/1 shot on elites and specials like exec vs stormvermin and handgun vs gas rat but that's pretty much it. Nobody ever cared about breakpoints on trash on cleaving weapons or when it's "wow I will be able to kill a chaos warrior in 6 heavies instead of 7!". You could maybe care about breakpoints against chaos non-zombie trash specifically on weapons with 0 cleave like 1 handed axe, but not much else.

>>502899702
>The break points was just me trying to give the slightest edge use care to it but yeah if you don’t care about them then it’s even worse isn’t it.
Holy shit you're actually retarded because you think that someone needs to care about breakpoints to know that 24%+ damage bonus and 12%+ attack speed will let you kill anything a lot faster, and in absolute majority of cases faster than with IJ.

>>502899912
He's doubling down on being retarded and will try to waste time now. I'm bailing, try to not waste too much effort on him.

>>502897417
>>502898007
>>502899068
>need to spend all your curios on otherwise worthless wounds while also halving health stims
>need to be at low health else it doesn't benefit you at all making the previous point worse
>muh toughness DR even though it's not temporary HP and the vast majority of what actually threatens you with a down/UD proc ignores toughness
>generally gimping yourself because otherwise your keystone doesn't give you a benefit
Sorry, still taking IJ.
>>502899412
>My experience running IJ on the TH was that I was only ever really at 7-10 momentum stacks
You're doing something wrong or only fighting those small idle groups on the map, I always get 12+ stacks if not the full 15, on crucis.

>>502900226
but with such bad movement move speed is even more important on it in the moment to moment
Why mention move speed? None of the keystones affect movement speed. IJ gives ranged/melee attack speed, damage, and toughness regen, but not movement speed.

>>502900169
Ah I couldn’t tell without you trying to disregard anything I said with SHITTER. I just don’t think is worth going for if you’re going to play a bit more recklessly than normal, the other two options will provide more damage and survivability playing like this in the vast majority of situations. I just think it’s a niche option, if you’re all in on the niche then sure it’s good but if you don’t want to go all in then why pay the point ted to get to it? The other options have good stuff leading to them and don’t require wound curio so I don’t see why you would bother. But one again if that’s what works for you go for it, I don’t think it’s worth it but hey if you’re making it work then good for you

>>502899412
Post penance score

i like martyrdom because i like swinging fast and ignoring my health bar

>>502900538
>i need all the toughness and health i can get, otherwise i will go down
See >>502898007

>>502900509
>+24% damage let’s you kill faster
Okay what does it let you kill faster? Anything it lowers the amount of hits to kill is called reaching a break point, that’s what they are. This is a very simple foundational way to measure what damage boost is worth taking for your weapons of choice which you are somehow not understanding

>>502900889
Probably for the best, you haven’t done very well with it thus far. Best stick to your native pig tongue.

>>502899871
I've been under a rock, is this everything being added? And when is this being added?

>>502899914
my wife ciel

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What secondary blessing on crusher after skullcrusher?
Opportunist? slaughter? thunderous?
they all sound good on paper

>>502900000
dumb post

>>502900690
My bad. I was actually the ESL the whole time. I misread part of your post. Yeah, I do tend to call "skill issue" when people complain that Martyr is trash because it tends to be the same variety of arguments revolving around people being unable to cope with lower max HP. It's kneejerk now.
> I just don’t think is worth going for... recklessly than normal,
That still isn't what I was saying. I was just trying to say that you didn't have to go down to 1 wound immediately to play Martyr and could take a more middle-ground approach that mirrors/trumps IJ's bonuses with 100% uptime.
>the other two options will provide more damage
Not my experience with IJ at all. If you're staggering stuff or your teammates aren't huffing spice all day long, you aren't going to get attacked that often from anything other than the tougher elites. It's mostly big groups of chaff that'll turn your shit on, but that's where you least need it. It's mixed hordes where I want my bonuses, and it's there that they're hardest to come by because everyone's switched on for those and killing/staggering shit all day. That's why I think IJ is so weird and unreliable.
>The other options have good stuff leading to them and don’t require wound curio so I don’t see why you would bother
Martyr does have an abysmal CDR node. That shit needs a rework. But the attack speed and +2 wounds are good, so you aren't actually taking any dead nodes leading up to it. Trading 2 wound curios is whatever. I still run a 3rd curio of my choosing (been +3 stam lately), and it's been enough. It's good enough of for auric maelstrom.
>But one again if that’s what works for you go for it, I don’t think it’s worth it but hey if you’re making it work then good for you
Yeah, I was only ever arguing against people saying Martyrdom is bad or that you have to go to 1 wound for it to be beneficial. Use whatever you want. BP is the obviously and vastly superior choice anyway.

>>502901191
kek. That's fair.

>>502901702
thunderous and skull crusher work nicely together , be sure to use your push attack combos often

>>502900921
>>502901191
your ego is clearly too fragile to handle serious conversations because you struggle to accept being wrong, so you opt into moving goalposts, cherrypicking, gaslighting, and other shit, which is probably why nobody takes you seriously irl. it would be better for you if you self-reflected on this.

>>502901607
That's a boy

What blessings do I put on eviscerator?

>>502901607
He didnt get to say fag. I was 90% sure they wouldnt let them say it but I was holding out hope.

>>502902025
everything I get an erection for is a girl

>>502901872
I think we’ve had a bit of a misunderstanding, I don’t think it’s bad. I think if you’re going all in on it and getting low as fast as you can it’s pretty solid, and if you heal up when things look rough knowing you’ll take a pounding then sure that works. I just think the other two give you so much more up front moment to moment because the power of zealot is really up in the top right of the tree and the +50% finesse damage node. And if you want to milk everything you can out of it you’re giving up stam and toughness which is rough because you can regen toughness at a disgusting rate, you could argue lower toughness is better if you’re that shit hot but I don’t think many people are really that good, we all need some wiggle room. Again I just think it’s a very specific set up, and most players you see using it aren’t using it well at all, they just see DR and take it and play like shit. When instead it’s a niche force multiplier set up that works well with certain weapons and play styles but for most situations and most people it’s just not going to reach its max potential and you’re better off with one of the other options.

>>502901917
>gaslighting
Kek simmer down faggot

>>502902181
Shred and Perfect Strike

>>502887983
improve your aim, anon

>>502902951
Thanks

>>502900921
>12%+ attack speed
>>what does it let you kill faster?
Anything, with more safety too. And 24% damage will help with breakpoints too, even if it's something like "after you cleave it 2 times", the point probably is that you don't need to actually look into breakpoints to know that, and he's right. Martyrdom is better than Inexorable Judgement. IJ could only be better if you could somehow fully stack it and then refresh it as long as enemies are around, but you can't.

>>502901702
>>502901896
Slaughterer and skullcrusher. My tests with skullcrusher and thunderous didn't seem to be useful at all

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>>502877108
fantachad post

>>502903126
Or you could just have 15% attack speed and damage up at all times and a good skill leading to it that massively increases your ult up time. You want the nodes leading to it any way so it’s a two point investment for nearly complete uptime, an extra point of you think you need more toughness, which you’ll also have more of because you can run max toughness curio. I don’t understand your point because this is just the easiest all around keystone set up for zealot, you don’t need to think about it, it just buffs you for playing like normal

>>502902181
Shred and rampage. Perfect strike and shred is rarely useful and doesn't result in as much damage done throughout a mission

>>502899871
it only took them a little over two years to add weapons that have been in the game files for just as long

>we’ll have more to say about vet soon
Are they going to buff the fucking dog shit head hunter weapons? Flamer for vet?

>>502902751
Could be. I know someone earlier was saying it's shit, but it's impossible to tell who's who. Anyway, BP will always be the one that gives you the most, even on weapons that don't benefit much from crits themselves, simply because of IOD and EF. I run my TH with BP at this point because spamming FOTF for the stagger, toughness, movement, and 20% attack speed is insane. But yeah, I do have mixed feelings about Martyrdom, and it's not something I run outside of the chain weapons.
>you could argue lower toughness is better if you’re that shit hot but I don’t think many people are really that good
I'm not sure how I feel about toughness curios on Zealot, to be honest, but that's another debate entirely. The "toughness vs HP curios on Zealot" isn't something I ever cared enough about to worry over anyway.
>Again I just think it’s a very specific set up, and most players you see using it aren’t using it well at all, they just see DR and take it and play like shit
kek. That's probably true, but lets be honest, most of the playerbase is shit anyway, regardless of their keystone choice. I think people just notice the shit Martyr players more because the wounds make it obvious what they're running.

Will versus degrade vermintide's community to being as autistic as l4d2's?

>>502901605
Dec 3 alongside the PS5 release

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>>502900906
Never implied that, retard. Stamina curios exist too, not just HP and toughness.
>>502900509
>but +24% damage
Fine, let's start with a baseline of 100% damage. Two +5% melee damage nodes in the tree, 110%. Full headtaker+sustained assault puts that at 155%. IJ is 170%; compared to 5 marty stacks (what UD puts you at) is 195%.
Divide 195 by 170 and you get 1.15~. That extra +25% bonus damage over IJ for running around at low health and using all wound curios and the talent point tax of UD is practically only 15% more total damage. If you bring thrust or slaughterer in it gets worse with it only being 11~%.
The argument is not that it makes you more fragile compared to other builds (although it absolutely does), the argument is that you're sacrificing talent points and curio slots for such a minimal upside over other far more accessible choices.
It's harder to fit all the good talents at once like Purge the Unclean, Invocation of Death, Pious Cutthroat, Second Wind, when on top of that you have to go down the lower middle and spend an extra point for Holy Revenant. Something has to give. Meanwhile IJ and BP are right there.
>but martyrdom is always on whereas I have to build up the other buffs
Why would you invest all of that to skip an extra two or three attacks at the start of a horde? Why do that when you can boost something that will benefit you more substantially and more often like stamina?

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>>502903882
Voice of Command nerfs
Power Sword nerfs
Plasma Gun nerfs
Free grenade talents nerfs
Headhunters will remain a meme

This is 100% going to happen and Vetsissies will cry

They're probably gonna give vet's power sword the same overheating mechanic zealot's 2h power sword is going to have

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>>502904026
>alongside the PS5 release

>>502904269
I would be fine with that if they change the activation state to be turned on until you reach the heat limit instead of having to reactivate every 3 swings like now.

>>502904179
>Two +5% melee damage nodes in the tree, 110%. Full headtaker+sustained assault puts that at 155%.
i'm pretty sure that's not how melee damage is calculated

>>502903990
More toughness is a comfy option when you’re taking the odd hit since you’re getting it back for dodging and hitting things if you’re also going for IJ, you’re pretty much at psyker levels of insane toughness regen. Of course this also requires you take the throwing knives which are super strong but if you don’t won’t them then it’s a massive skill tax. But yeah most people just charge and eat shit and no build is going to help retardation, fundamentals are always going to beat any set up you can run. Still think the plus wound skill should give more than it does, I don’t think an item tax is acceptable to make a skill to reach its true potential.

>>502904187
Plasma needs to be nerfed, it’s a fucking bore to play with plas vets

>>502904269
I legitimately don't think they're capable of that. I think the reason the 2h power sword is zealot only is solely because they can't figure out how to have two separate heat counters at a time, and vet already has one for the plasma gun.

>>502904576
It totally is. I just leave games when I see them because I know that I'll barely need to pay attention.

>>502904576
>it’s a fucking bore to play with plas vets
Only if you suck so bad that you can't keep up with them. They kill everything at the start of missions before anything spawns, but they fall behind when you are drowning in action

>>502903719
I see. I'll try both and see how I feel. Rampage looks more useful though you're right.

>>502903645
>a good skill leading to it that massively increases your ult up time
>Pious Cut-Throat
>a good skill

>You want the nodes leading to it any way
Applies to Martyrdom too because you're retarded if you don't take 10% attack speed.

>it just buffs you for playing like normal
That's what BP is for and it's better. Then we have Martyrdom for confident players, which is objectively better than IJ at all times, when you don't even fully use it's potential. And then we have IJ for... special snowflakes I guess? Lol.

>>502904895
Maybe if they don’t run the right keystone, whenever I use it the thing is loading 80+ ammo for free whenever I swap to it.
I just hope they don’t over nerf it. It’s level of power feels good for the way the weapon should operate, but i has way too much ammo.

>>502905129
>Pious Cut-Throat
>a good skill
Yeah, it’s even better after the crit one got changed since it’s flat charge and the angle of back stabs being so wide.

>>502905467
Okay, this actually saves me time because you just admitted being a shitter.

>>502905273
I don't know, i don't really notice them doing a dent in my own score when i play with them. Just keep the plasma rifle as it is. It's not even that popular

>>502904179
this clown genuinely thinks that anyone will care about his cherrypicked "calculations"

>>502905620
It certainly saves you something that’s sure

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>be veteran
>try another class
>keep pressing F expecting to get all my thoughness back

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>>502906052
>be knifetard
>switch to another melee weapon
>keep instantly pressing lmb when start sprinting

>>502905129
>shitdom players claiming a massive 20% CDR on backstab is somehow bad
You're only making your case worse, you know.

>>502906340
Oh we're sure you can pull that off often outside of single poxwalker attacking you on malice scenarios.

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>want to like the flamer
>but I already shred hordes up close because I'm a fucking Zealot and not having a ranged option for far off specials/gunners is fucking maddening
I genuinely don't understand why people swear by this weapon.

>>502906729
I use the throwing knife for specials
>needing a ranged option for gunners
lol

>>502906052
>bubble
>both charges do
>chorus

you can

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/coopg/ approved martyr talent build

I'm not sure martyr even does anything

>>502907174
t. Plays with no extra wounds

>>502906971
3/10

>>502907292
Objectively wrong

>>502906971
whys everyone so against the cooldown on damage one

it says 1% but im pretty sure its wrong

>>502907542
Because you won't take a lot of damage throughout a mission

For any newer players who don't realize >>502906971 is trolling.
>no mandatory Duelist or Sustained Assault
>crit talents for any random weapon, many of which aren't going to do anything with the crit talents
It's retarded. You don't use the same Martyr build with a Chain Axe as you would an Eviscerator specifically because the latter has Shred and can actually make use of Invocation of Death and Enduring Faith regardless of keystone choice. The Chain Axe doesn't really benefit from them and should instead be built differently.

>>502907794
if only the Zealot had some way to mitigate and control damage taken. darn it.

>>502904331
Quality begets quality ;)

>>502907818
You might notice that it says 26/30 in the talents spent

For any new players, this guy is straight up retarded

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>>502907542

>>502907907
You didn't understand my post

Why would they go with a Bile Troll as the playable Tank in Versus instead of a Rat Ogre? The appeal of Versus is being a rat, not aids ridden Nurgle Chaos.

>>502908465
>mark out of the way talents that may not do anything with a given weapon as mandatory
>don't mark actual mandatory talents
Here's your (you). Ignore his BS, newfags.

>>502908969
to force furniggers to play with both hands sometimes

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2nd wave of globeshitters will be upon us soon

>>502908969
so you cant launch people across the map

>>502909141
It says "crit martyr" in the file name
Of course it's gonna be a crit focused martyr build

Hey, newfags, this guy is just being really difficult right now. Just ignore his little tantrum. We aren't all like him

>>502908969
Rat Ogre is too fast, Stormfiend too strong

>>502909159
>>502909432
>>502909441
If I can solo them I should be able to play as them. Other players should just get good instead of being put in a padded room for their safety because Fatshark is too lazy to add a boss special people would actually have fun playing as.

>>502907542
It would be good if it applied to toughness damage, however it does not and therefore is dogshit.

>>502909607
thats because you can trick an ai, theyre predictable, humans are not

>>502909607
Yeah a human controlled rat ogre is just going to let you dodge-tank him just like an AI, fucking retard

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If they just reduce the health for player controlled ones it would be fine desu. Anyway, when can I beat the fuck out of people as a big fuck off bull man?

>>502906971
very good template. don't know why retards are sperging out and shitting their pants over this. some people are just addicted to being contrarians, no matter how wrong it makes them

>>502909251
Literally can’t be any worse than the first

>>502908969
Actually I do want to play as Chaos. The cool stuff though.
>>502909159
Godly post

>>502909863
sorry chuddie maybe next year you get enough now :)

>>502910942
gonna be a lot more open mics with smoke detectors and crying children with the low income console

>>502911218
Like I said Xbox has been here for over a year now

>>502911218
a ps5 is not the low income console, its $200 more than the xbone

>>502911463
>it's 10 more burgers than xbone
all consoles are for poorfags

>>502880628
>>502881267
>>502881459
>5 hours ago
Fuck it
I don't remember exactly what level you unlock each staff, but they are mostly underwhelming right out the gate. You want the right blessings and skills for them to actually become good, and until then, most guns tend to perform better.
But also like anon said, bubble + assail is the most painless way to level. Make sure you learn to melee; deimos and illisi force swords are the fun and good psyker exclusives, while dueling sword and knife are available to everyone and also really strong for different reasons.

Also every staff is good and staves are the best weapon option on psyker. Gun psykers are often memed about because a resident youtube tranny wants to look like a pro by being contrarian. They're not actually all that bad if you know what you're doing, you just need to try 5x as hard and a single fuck-up will kill you, so they're unreliable.

Get yourself a shock staff once you unlock it, try flak, maniac, warp nexus, warp flurry, and dump either crit bonus (it doesn't get you any breakpoints) or warp resist. It's the most brain off staff there is.

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I wish I had a burger

>>502912450
I want to eat tau pussy.

>>502907542
it's only for HEALTH damage is why

>>502912450
made for bird person cock

>>502906971
holy fucking bait please do not follow this this is the tree of that retarded martyrnigger in your aurics who never has the crit damage reduction up and eats shit

>>502909863
What are some Specials from every faction that should have been playable that were shafted because Fatshart were lazy despite working on vs for years?

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I'm not a speedrunner but holy fuck some people really try to make every game last 40 minutes.

>>502913510
The crit build is better but if you insist on being martyrfag then be a crit martyrfag. You literally cannot argue against this

>>502913771
there are people who are just slow or want to get all the plasteel or penances or whatever
there are retarded adhd knife/duelingtards
those are whatever, you get used to them

then there are fucking retarded fucking piece of shit niggers with 0 damage with audacity to complain why we're moving so slow when i have to personally deal with every threat, worse when the nigger is fighting a bunch of poxwalkers in some corner saying that while rest of the team is dealing with multiple bosses

>>502911405
>>502911463
After playing space marine I agree with the other guy. They all hot mike with screaming mexican kids in the background.
>build in low quality controller mic on at default
Fuck sony in the ass

>>502913704
Yes. Working on it for years. That's definitely what we were doing. We had to make it the best it could be, that's why it took so long.

>>502913771
It’s hard to set pace in darktide because they added sprint like retards. Vermintide? Easy to set pace with you randoms, only a few careers can dash off. Darktide? Every retard can sprint in a random direction for a few seconds to destroy any semblance of team work. Add in mantling and we get cod zombies kiting shit when things fall apart. Clutching in this game is lame

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>>502915381
I said they were working on it for years as they've been talking about Versus since almost the release of 2. I didn't say they were actually doing anything as they were working on it.
Your uncle could be working on that car on his lawn for years and not get shit all done as well.

>>502915625
she's drinking rat cum btw

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>>502885191
>Everything in AoS is cranked up to 11.
Then the Ubersreik 5 finally start making sense with their asspull powers and being able to eradicate entire Skaven hordes and Norscan warbands with little effort. Also, they aren't *that* over-the-top. In the books, even a Stormcast can get mogged by couple plague monk equivalents.

>>502915946
Why is it glowing green?

>>502915946
NDA I know that's you get back to drawing rats.

What are the red rates in VT2

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>>502916363
Snorting up copious amounts of warpstone does that to skaven's ejaculate sometimes.

>>502904026
Will they get more or less cash shop bux then the xbox players did?

>>502917306
They'll get free dragon dildo.

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>complete X consecutive missions without dying/downing
>okay
>join qp
>mission failed screen
>penances reset
>mfw
uhh, fatshark?

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You know, I don't think I really care for the stealth in this heist, certainly not being able to kill anyone for the Spec Ops achievement.

>>502919509
Is that Payday 3? Why are you playing a bad game?

>>502919818
It's fun for the most part, and seems to gradually be getting better. The asset system is still retarded, though.

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>FREE update
We love when companies do this, don't we?

>>502920978
Yes we do. Make sure to thank our piggy spendgods for throwing money at retarded low effort cosmetic shit like the weapon packs available right now so that Fatshark could provide us lowly no-cosmetty plebs with this wonderful free update.

>>502906971
This is a perfectly good template. It's only 26/30 so you can still add stuff like duelist or sustained assault depending on weapon. If you can't make this work you're no true zealot.

>>502915243
>After playing space marine I agree with the other guy. They all hot mike
Real. SM2 was hotmic heaven.

>>502913771
It's true, some people act like anchors.
Ledge? Nice camping spot.
Big room? Hide in a corner forever.
Hallway? Move in the direction we came from.
Mutant in the far distance? Stand still and wait for it.
Moving while fighting? Never heard of it.
Disengaging from poxwalkers? Impossible.

can't remember the last time i saw an infantry lasgun. Kinda funny how the mg12 was meta for a while

vets are getting something, right? Right?

>>502921218
This but unironically.

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>>502924421
is this what HUD modders look like?

Prediction:
The new power sword will be shit for the same reason Overwhelming Force is shit. Locking part of your offensive melee power behind a cooldown is never a good idea in a tide game.
The new force sword will be good but people will quickly realize that it's way too clunky to use in a non-dedicated build. It will be a novelty meme build for a while until the handful people running it also realize that staying in melee all the time as the squishiest class fucking sucks. Then it will become a niche thing you rarely ever see.

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>>502924540
Yes, one optic for each hud element

After playing a bunch of Assail with Disrupt Destiny, I can't even imagine how broken this blitz was before they nerfed shard generation. I feel like I almost never have to put it away except against armored targets and I just shred literally everything else.

>>502925586
it was absolutely busted when it was brand new. But not as broken as smite was.

>>502925586
assail on release was a whole different beast
the complaining of smite psykers now is nothing compared to what assail psyker was then it was basically a map wipe 24/7
maybe smite was a bit more busted when they had infinite smite bug

>>502925813
>maybe smite was a bit more busted when they had infinite smite bug
Smiggers would only stop smiting when they got hit by mutants, it was awful.
Surge staff bug was even worse, you didn't get to play the game at all. Even crushers would instantly disappear.

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>>502920978
It damn well better be free after they overcharge us for shitty cosmetics that clip through everything. Which also cost the price of the game itself.
These companies all act like them supporting their game is a favor to us. Uhh no, you have to keep supporting your game or you wont have a god damned job you greedy, lazy fucks.

>>502896730
>everything I don't like is reddit

>>502925023
My prediction is that they're going to rework the Veteran power sword to work the same way. Also the new force sword will be most similar to the Bretonnian Longsword from V2 and the charge up special will be like GK's sweep ult.
Also baseline Deflection.