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A thread for the creation and discussion of fan fiction and other fanworks - anything that involves a story and/or reading.
What've you been reading?
What've you been writing?
What would you like to see more of?

Thread Question- How do you want to handle the difference between trainers with backing and without? How much of a difference should it make depending on when in the series you're setting it (eg: RGBY vs SM)?
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>>57025839
Last thread died and nobody made a new one, so here we are.

Previous thread: >>56950069
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>>57025839
What does backing even mean? As in monetary compensation?
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>>57026058
Monetary support is a form of backing yes.
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>>57026058
That's part of what I was thinking. I've seen starters being part of being sponsored too, along with stuff like providing a starter, etc.
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>>57025839
>get ass kicked by local ACE trainer again
>get called a talentless faggot and that I won’t amount to shit without a sponsorship
>ok
>go home, tell my bro Ditto to transform into the guy
>fuck the ever loving SHIT out of him while recording it, straight up make love to him while he moans and whimpers like a BITCH (you’re getting extra poke puffs later Ditto, I promise)
>upload it online for the internet to see
>asshole loses all his sponsorships overnight, ACE program promptly drops him, he’s left with nothing
What now, sponsorkeks?
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>>57026421
Okay, this made me laugh but any big corpo would have an army of Rotom and Porygon ready for that kind of thing
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>>57026058
Backing could be anything depending on your setting. Maybe the trainer's sponsored by a big shot, maybe they have an official position which grants them certain resources, maybe they have family connections that allows them certain bonuses.
And there are trainers that leave home with whatever they can carry and a dream. How each of those handles things along the changes is dramatically different.
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>>57026421
>Ace trainer
>having sex
He got dropped for misleading propaganda, huh?

In all seriousness, it's interesting to think what kind of sponsorship rules and restrictions exist and how trainer conduct changes because of it. Even actual classic sponsorships like the kind the Galar faggot has could make for interesting limitations in a fanfic environment.
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>>57026421
>>57026859
And, y'know, dittos keep the same face when transformed.
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>>57026936
Shit Dittos that aren't good at their one gimmick yet do; regularly operating Dittos copy perfectly.
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>>57026936
That's not entirely canon. Setting aside the fact their copies in battle are perfect replicas, there's also the SM thing where Ditto were impersonating/replacing police officers so well that the alolan police force was sussy with imposters
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>>57025839
TotT: Pokemon training would be a lot like professional sports in our world, it would be a huge entertainment industry also combined with legitimate military uses, so there would be a wide range of developmental programs, academies, and sponsorships of various kinds.

In my own headcanon (which you can already tell is incredibly autistic), top performers from academies get access to not just lots of perks from professional organizations trying to sign them for their brand. They'd get the bag that shrinks objects, they'd get special discounts or straight up complementary Move Tutors/TMs, and access to higher level breeders. Pro orgs would likely have their own hostel for their trainers as they're journeying around in each major city (and maybe even Secret Base outposts on the road every once in a while). Probably 70-90% of these elite make it into professional pokemon training as a career.

Mid-tier performers at the academy would probably get some grants and assistance from organizations that don't employ top pro trainers, and try to keep the trainers local so they can use their abilities pokemon for general labor around town. There'd be dingy hostels they maybe get a six month to one year free pass for. If these mid-level grads don't show significant proficiency at battling, they're basically given a "good luck" and are encouraged to join the work force after their "one year trial" is over. Probably 15-30 percent of these trainers end up career trainers with no other major side-hustle/ full time job.

If you have no backing, you either dropped out (in disgrace) from an academy or you have little to no formal education. It's not impossible, but mommy and daddy are essentially sponsoring you, or you're working your way via odd jobs and local trainer guild work. Everything is significantly harder, maybe limited Pokemon Center visits, paying full price for move tutors/TMs. Maybe 5% of these trainers make it to the big time, but they're beloved as underdogs.
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>>57026936
That's only trAshnime fanfic.
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>>57026936
>>57026946
There's lewdfic I've got about 80% done and never finished off where the premise was a trainer who was obsessed with Cynthia and competed in an exhibition tournament to meet Cynthia - and used the opportunity to request a lock of her hair. They then used it as genetic material to help their Ditto transform into a much more convincing Cynthia clone to have sex with. Things got freakier from there with some /d/ tags but in general I liked the concept of Dittos being able to overcome the face problem, and even start to accurately imitate the finer details of a person's anatomy and genetic code if you provide them with DNA of the target to go off of.
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>>57027132
>I liked the concept of Dittos being able to overcome the face problem
I thought they could mimic other Pokémon perfectly, and the "Ditto face" was just because of one Ditto who sucked at his job.
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How would a military sponsor work? They probably have mechas and scifi weapons powered by evolution stones like Z-moves are as far as we know
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>>57027395
>Trainers are given experimental equipment/training regimens to try in return for the sponsorship
>Trainers must give routine reports about criminal activity around the region, and intervene according to their rank/ability/jurisdiction
>Trainers with exceptional training abilities must train mons given to them so they'll be combat ready for future deployments
>Should a war or major conflict break out, military sponsored trainers act as reserve corps for combat and defense of territory
>when they reach a certain level of skill, the sponsored trainers must be temporarily drafted into the military, with the option to make a career of it
>honorably discharged trainers retain their military bonuses but not any mons that are permanently incorporated into the military
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So what sort of schmucks join villain teams and become grunts?
I imagine the actually competent trainers are signed on as Admins/Executives.
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>>57027956
I think it kinda depends on the villain team.

Rocket/Galactic, Snagem, Cipher, etc would wind up mostly being washed out trainers, petty criminals, or actual crooks/muggers/etc.

Aqua/Magma/Plasma/Flare are ideologues, the same kinda idiots who fall for the grifts you see these day.

Skull is washouts and extra petty criminals, Yell is Marnie stans, of course.

Aether Foundation and Macro Cosmos are company men tho. 10/10 job would be a roadbump for a steady salary.
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>>57027395
Mechs? At most you'll be priming electrodes as landmines.
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Humans should never try to reach god's realm, what the heck was Magearna's creator thinking?
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>>57029142
They tried to fix Arceus' errors, what do you mean Spoink will die if it ever stops bouncing?
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>>57027287
That sounds really interesting, I would love to check it out if you ever find it.
Funnily enough, something like that is similar to what I'm brainstorming. My MC will be a "Red-like" figure in Galar and because of how much I despite how undeservedly Red gets wanked just for existing solely because he was the first MC and how they also sometimes they kept telling us that Red and Leon are totally alike trust me bro they both have Charizardino, like the recent Mastersex story chapter, my ultimate goal is to "Make Red but right".
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>>57029679
>G*l*r
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>>57030204
I know, but that's exactly why.
I fucking hate Galar, so I want to crush GF's Galar under my heels and slowly and methodically break down everything about it and how it is all worthless trash and then rebuild it to my image through my MC's actions and deeds.
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>>57026421
>ACE
I’ve seen this meme pop up in a couple fics where ‘ace trainer’ stands for ‘trainer that works for ACE’ instead of literally just being an ace trainer. Is this actually in the games? Is ACE similar to the Rangers?
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>>57031083
Galar and Paldea are both trash so if you, or anyone really, goes muh war I can see them being the first to fall
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Regarding movesets and movepools.
Do you take into considering all the moves the mons have earned ever? Or do you movecut like gen 9 and only use the moves the mons can learn now? Like, for example, how watermons got all Scald removed and Toxic from nearly everything. Or do you not give a shit and keep using the old learning sets anyway?
How do you go about learning non-level-up moves? Egg, TMs, TRs, Tutors, Event, etc?
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>>57031298
Who makes TMs? The big regional company, some other corporation? Are they all the same quality—is a Silph Hyperbeam stronger/more refined than a Devon Hyperbeam, for example?

In Paldea they make their own TMs, how difficult to achieve is this?
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>>57031298
I like certain game mechanics. Phasing moves, switch moves, stat boosts. No switch moves was one reason I wasn't a huge fan of IWTTS since 'switches' turned into a gimmick, especially when gym leaders would randomly decide how many you get on a whim which is also kinda retarded.

But I also like going further and expanding moves and exploring effects, after all, it's a fanfiction.

BoC/TMET did battles differently from each other but both of them do it well. IWTTS goes heavy into the custom moves, but the ball thing seems to exist for drama reasons only, especially when pokemon are literally imprisoned in their pokeballs unless released which also is kinda silly.

So: Normally learnable moves regardless of gen + if they explored other moves. If TMs existed in real life, they'd be used on every pokemon to see if they work, so I would come up with a reason why certain moves don't work on certain pokemon and then use that as a foundation for letting a character explore and expand moves.
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>>57031298
>Do you take into considering all the moves the mons have earned ever? Or do you movecut like gen 9 and only use the moves the mons can learn now? Like, for example, how watermons got all Scald removed and Toxic from nearly everything. Or do you not give a shit and keep using the old learning sets anyway?
Dunno. I guess I just mash up all the stuff I find on Bulbapedia and then tweak it until it looks like a good magic system.
>How do you go about learning non-level-up moves?
Depends.
>Egg
Nope. The best I do is give newborn mons a predisposition to a certain type their dad had.
>TMs, TRs
Instruction CDs.
>Tutors
Literally instructors.
>Event
"Congratulations! You won an opportunity to learn one move (spell)!" What else is there to add?
Now to the thread question.
>How do you want to handle the difference between trainers with backing and without? How much of a difference should it make depending on when in the series you're setting it (eg: RGBY vs SM)?
The same way you handle sportsmanship with sponsors: one works hard to just get in, the other one buys their way in.
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>>57031298
Anything can learn anything, but what's natural is easiest. Official learnsets are only used for quick reference, but I take them with half a grain of salt. For example: Every dogmon learns Growl naturally in my stories, even though in vanilla they don't(looking at you, GROWLithe).

Egg moves are a rare weak form of inheritance and TMs/TRs are spiritual hackjobs that nobody fully understands.
Tutors are mostly just people who provide a simple service that others would rather not spend their time on. Very few tutors specialize in teaching the truly profound moves. These master tutors not only have incredibly insightful understanding of their specialized moves, but they also have entire acres of land dedicated to helping learn their specialized moves, as well as a number of pokemon of their own that can provide further support to a client's pokemon.
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>>57027315
It was.
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>>57031298
I'm roughly doing mine using the PTU rules, just so I have something to work with for abilities and such in-story. I've got a mix, and some that would just make sense for the 'mon in question based on their specific heritage and what makes sense for the personalities, such as they are.

Non-level up, non-egg moves would need a tutor or TM, including stuff that's from in-game events.
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>>57031364
TMET?
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>>57031298
For me, movesets should be the ones that make sense to the Pokémon. I avoid movecutting (mostly because gen 9 is shit) but I won't just let anymon learn anything, the species would still have a limitation that *might* be surpassed by very special specimens, mostly in regards to egg moves. I treat it as something like bloodline inheritance, but at some point someone in that family tree had to learn it the old fashioned way.
TMs/TRs are just magitech bullshit that just teaches a mon something, but they still need to practice to get familiar and improve.

Tutors are people who have mons that have mastered special moves to such an incredible level that they offer the service of teaching it. Truly renowned ones boast teaching prowess that guarantees the move will be battle-ready from the offset, which saves a lot of time and training effort, but they usually are a lot more discerning over who they accept to teach.

Event moves are individual mons who, by some freak accident or mutation, were born with the move or born with a special capacity to learn it; it comes naturally for them and that can, in turn, transfer to similar but different moves. They won't have the same supernatural disposition, but it will be easier for them, which also wraps back around the learnset stuff.
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>>57032329
The Most Evil Trainer, I think.
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Late night bump
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Anon used Revival Blessing!
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>Shaun is imagebanned yet again
It's always funny.
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Shaunstein, you really oughta calm down. All this impotent raging can't be good for your blood pressure.
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This is just sad to watch, honestly.
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Imagine
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LnMIaFV4q6M
> The red head girl is Ash.
> The long hair girl is Carmine.
> The guy is Arven.
> The Gundam is Iron Valiant.
> The small bot is Rotomdex
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>>57034238
The red head girl would be Juliana in that case, clearly.
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>>57034238
>Two days
>Only 666k
Gundam is FUCKING dead
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For an OC centric fic how much of the backstory for 'em should be dropped in the first few chapters? I'm planning on getting the personality laid plain, and not the reasons for the chip on his shoulder, but I'm not sure how far to go and how many breadcrumbs to leave.

>>57033894
>>57033912
Why does Shaunbergenstein always post in these threads? Is it because he thinks his schizo shit belongs here, not on >>>/trash/ ?

>>57035143
Witch killed it
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>>57035156
>Witch killed it
For me the 00 movie was the start of the end
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>>57035156
>Witch killed it
Witch was unironically a bigger hit on paper than IBO in ratings and gunpla sales(literally the most important part), but the executives panicked when they realized it was a woman-led gay series for real and not going to fake out to a "real" male protagonist and pulled the plug on the intended run length.

Bamco are Olympian level performers at shooting themselves in the foot. TPCI wishes they could compete at that level.
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>>57035143
That's not the official account that had 2.1m views.
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>>57035260
>but the executives panicked when they realized it was a woman-led gay series for real and not going to fake out to a "real" male protagonist
Fucking idiots should have realized it sooner.
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>>57035374
>Fucking idiots should have realized it sooner.
All the major flaws in Witch lie in it getting shrunk to half its intended length. There aren't many shows I'll day are entirely the failure of an executive and not the creators but Witch is one of them.
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Arceus decides to fuck with you. You’re isekai’d to the world of Pokémon, but there’s a twist—the more your Pokémon despise you, they stronger they get.

Something in your aura or your soul is fundamentally fucked, and the classic bond between human and Pokémon now works backwards. The more they hate you, the more obedient, skilled, and powerful they will become. What is your game plan?

As an added boob, the more women hate your guts, the more they will subconsciously be sexually attracted to you.
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>>57035581
I'd just kill myself to be honest. The narrative mechanics of the world itself incentivizes me to be evil. Why would I do that?
If I'm feeling protagonist-y enough, I might try running in the opposite direction, maintaining and growing the love between me and my Pokemon until the narrative power of good overwhelms the genre mechanic.
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>>57035596
Based defier of edgefics.
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Chapter 7 (part 1) is now up for my Action/Adventure Pearlshipping longfic that's set when everyone is young adults. The original Point A to B I had originally suspected would only be 15K long is turning into 30. This year was rough, hence the lack of updates. But here we are.

I created page 1 of the story using AI voices for fun:
https://vocaroo.com/1nCPZs1P6zEP

Chapter 1 is posted, chapter 2 and 3 are effectively done and soon to follow

Ao3: https://archiveofourown.org/works/46152190
FF.Net: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14216193/1/Divinity
Wattpad: https://www.wattpad.com/story/338283675-divinity
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>>57036407
Gah, forgot to clip the text paste job between the voocaroo link and the links to the fic. My b
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>>57035581
I become a charismatic and well-spoken villain that turns people's negative traits against them, capitalizing on their greed, anger, malice, etc. When I inevitably betray them, they get a "You suck" speech which highlights all of their flaws and vices. I offer them tips for improvement, and the chance to become something greater... that's when I recruit them. Rinse and Repeat until I can comfortably LARP as Kane from Command and Conquer.

When I get bored of it all, I'll capture the big man himself and force him to re-isekai me as the mentor of a budding, kindhearted trainer who wants to help people and make the world a better place
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>>57036498
That's just the average CEO
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>YOU ARE WEAK, YOU LACK HATRED!!!!!
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So, your results?
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>>57037484
Kinda fortunately no bingo for me.
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>>57037484
>>57037502
But how do you write a beginning?
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>>57037524
I've got two potential ones rn. The first is my MC waiting for the customs check to get done with his Pokemon as he's going to a new region, and the second is the MC actively in a battle with another trainer over something inane, then winding around to why the battle even started in the first place.
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>>57037524
>Something exciting happens
>Something mundane happens, which eventually becomes exciting
>Someone says something interesting
>Someone does something interesting
>There's two guys in a car talking about weed in Amsterdam and Mcdonalds in France
Whatever it is, write it in a way that will catch the reader's attention. If all else fails, drop into the middle of a fight scene.
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>>57037484
I've been getting stuck in a cycle of writing a chapter and then scrapping it for one reason or another. It's killing me both with WIPs that aren't up yet and with what I've already got posted
>the pacing feels off / it's too wordy / I just don't like it so the whole thing gets scrapped
>some new idea just seems more interesting so I restart from the beginning
>I like the chapter but I don't think readers would so it's gotta go
Unfortunately it seems my habit of frequently restarting romhack runs partway through exists in my writing as well.
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>>57037484
Only for the specific chapter I'm on. Things have been way too hectic with the holidays and trying to keep our store running so I haven't had free time to write, and when I squeeze time in I'm currently stuck getting into the flow of the chapter. I'm not too stressed though, I haven't picked up any steam on readership five chapters in so I don't think a mini-hiatus is even capable of doing harm.
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>>57025839
>What've you been writing?
25 years after RBGY. Still making the basics, story follow Red's kid's rival as he/she go through Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova and Kalos battling against (mostly new) Gym Leaders and ending up against the (new) Champions of each region.
I'm using a bit of pokéspe, ashnime and the games as a base for certain characters like Red, Yellow, Gary, Gold, May, etc
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>>57037484
Having several hobbies and obligations makes progress slower.
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>>57036407
>Aged-up
>Ash
>Shipping
All dealbreakers, I'm afraid. But from a quick skim, your technical writing ability seems decent, so you're already ahead of most fanfic authors in at least one sense. If you write something interesting, I'll read it.
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What type of stories does she write?
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>>57039383
Slashfics of her E4 colleagues, the Champion, and the Gym Leaders. All of them are gay ships. Leans into Omegaverse concepts in many.
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>>57039383
Shameless smut of celebrities.
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>>57037812
Unfortunate.
>>57037846

What are you both stuck on?
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>>57040962
For me I'm mostly just trying to get the flow of the chapter right. The outline of the chapter is complete and feels sound, but I'm having trouble getting the initial conversation between the deuteragonist and Emma to flow well. It just feels clunky and I can't break past it, I've tweaked it a few times now including after showing it here and getting a little feedback from one anon. But it doesn't feel right, and I'm wondering if I should just leave it alone and move on.
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>All dreams are but another reality. Never forget...
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Alright, perhaps this place might benefit from having this discussion.

How many of you actually think yourselves superior to the official Pokémon writers? How many of you look down on the franchise's storytelling? I'm interested in hearing opinions.

As for me, I do think of Pokémon's writing to be very poor across all different media. However, I learnt that having such attitude will not lead me anywhere. Destroying the other is not a worthy cause, much in less writing and especially fanfiction.
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>>57042366
Personally I think that the writing is only competent in a scant few instances and subpar at best everywhere else, but I would never say I'm superior to them. Of course my own ideas appeal to me and if I ever get down to actually writing something, it'll be to my tastes, but thinking I'm the end all, be all for this franchise is simply naive hubris.
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>>57042366
Writing for a video game is very different than writing a novel or a fanfic. I like my ideas and think they're good for the context they're in - a thematically focused story set within the greater world Pokemon has established. But that's not the kind of writing that an open-ended game like Pokemon needs to have.
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>>57037484
I've experienced most of those but never to the point of not writing it.

>No one wants to read this
A handful of ideas specific to fandom too small and dead for me to want to pursue them, knowing no one will read it. Or some specific fetish or edgy thing no one but me wants.

>I don't have the skills
I have no idea how to write lesbians or a threesome/foursome/moresome.

>I didn't write it YET
Man I have a backlog of ideas like you wouldn't believe. If I stopped to write them I'd never finish my main thing.
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>>57042366
>How many of you actually think yourselves superior to the official Pokémon writers?
N/A since I'm not a writer myself
>How many of you look down on the franchise's storytelling?
They certainly could do better but SV was a massive step up from SWSH and XY but worse than BW+2 and SM+USUM, but lets be honest here the main line game stories are like a plot in porn, no one is really there for it but a shitty one can make a good experience bad
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>>57037484
None of these. I'm just lazy, I wrote chapters 1 and 2 already but I'm not linking them here cause they're a fucking mess cause I don't normally write SOLO. Chapter 3 should be formatted and structured better though thanks to input from people not in this thread.
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I want to write a porn parody of Pokemon SIs. So far the tropes I've gathered are:

>Native citizens are fucking retarded to the point basic strategy like using items is genius-level IQ
>Snowflake donut steel Pokemon with tragic backstories with physic bonds
>The MC's first Pokemon is blatant fury bait and have sexual dialogue while the MC constantly denies they have a romantic relationship. Like Hilda will one day walk into the MC's room and see his starter giving him a blowjob and the MC insists that it's a platonic cleaning.
>MC uses '''''logic'''''' and is more '''''rational''''' then the natives
Pokemon can use multiple abilities and only the MC can coincidentally find them
>Also by sheer coincidence the MC can find Hisuin Pokemon that should have been long extinct
>20+ year old mind in a younger body that grooms their love interests
>Plot twist: The MC is the one getting groomed
>Smirk
>Red and Cynthia wanking, Red will get the sloppiest of fanwank and all other game protagonists can fuck off
>M E T A K N O W L E D G E

Am I missing anything?
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>>57042832
Yes, Aura
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>>57042832
>basic strategy like using items is genius-level IQ
to be fair, 80% of items are extremely innocuos and logically one would not think they do anything, such as choice specs, no sane individual would assume a pair of specticles would give a 50% increase to special move power while locking into a single move
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>>57042366
Do I think myself superior? God, no. I'm only here writing fanfic because my novel draft was eviscerated by critique and my imposter syndrome brain craves the easiest positive reinforcement it can get of any kind, even if I don't believe it to be real.

But the writing of the series has been stagnant for a long while. This is still a series for children and I have (knowing and admittedly) aged out when B/W came out when I was 15 and I dropped them to play P3P and never looked back. S/V were leaps forward, and you *can* tell a good story for children- they either don't know how to or simply don't care.

Also fuck you Ayn; spite is a powerful motivator.
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>>57042898
What was your plot? Scifi is basically dead, romance is hard, fantasy must be DEI approved and you would be better off writing a thesis than non-fiction
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>>57042898
>spite is a powerful motivator.
spite and hatred are among the most powerful motivators but, they rely on external factors are as thus less consistent than something that relies on internal factors
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>>57042366
Pokemon writing is often pretty great, it's just also often terrible or just bland. It's a hard comparison to make, because the highs and lows are so far apart that I can't reasonably judge the writing quality as a whole. I'm definitely a better writer than Pokemon's lows, but its highs? Probably not. I suppose I'm certainly more consistent, at least.

Thing is, I don't write fanfiction for series I don't like. That would be way too much effort to waste engaging with something that sucks. So, even if parts of Pokemon aren't well-written, there's obviously something there that keeps me wanting to write about it. And it's not just the character / monster designs -- if it were, I'd be making/consuming fan games or porn images instead. Writing, wanting specifically to WRITE about something, doesn't happen unless the source's writing is inspiring in some way.
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>>57042942
Spite and hate are plenty internal if you hate yourself
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>>57042366
Given it’s target audience (5-10 year olds) Pokémon’s writing is actually pretty well-done. Not everything has to be Plato or Aristotle or St Thomas Aquinas in order to be considered “good” or “worthwhile.” It accomplishes what it set out to perfectly: be an extra little something to pay attention to while you romp around battling and catching cute pocket monsters
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>>57043883
I don't know, I'm pretty sure even a kid knows when something is beyond retarded like RSE plot
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>>57042366
You have to actively try to have writing worse than Pokemon does, specially so modern Pokemon.
Mind you, this doesn't apply to just the games but through the entire franchise in general, with the anime leading the charge.
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>>57044258
>with the anime leading the charge
Somehow the manga is even more stupid with muh Dexholders
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>>57044326
Anon, why are you so fixated and so butthurt about dexholders?
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>>57044326
Tobias alone is more retarded than the top 10 worst moments of PokeSpe combined. And by a large margin.
And if I go past Tobias then I can find at least 10 moments that are easily 1000 times worse.
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>>57044369
The funny thing about Tobias is by the implication of later seasons we intuit he got absolutely fucking BODIED by Cynthia and his career went nowhere. It's still abysmally bad writing, but at least Ash went on to become one of the greatest trainers ever, while the guy using Legendaries as crutches is a forgotten footnote.
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>>57044374
>but at least Ash went on to become one of the greatest trainers ever
Only through the power of pity unearned wins, damage control and writing even shittier than ten Tobiases combined.
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>>57044343
Shut up faggot, don't talk to me if you don't have a dex.

>>57044369
>And if I go past Tobias then I can find at least 10 moments that are easily 1000 times worse.
>Oh My Celeby
Pretty hard to top that in the entire franchise
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>>57044369
>OH MY CELEBI!
>OH MY CHILD OF FOREST POWERS!
>OH MY COLRESS BEING A DICK JUST BECAUSE!
>OH MY "EMOTIONLESS" COOL MC THAT HAS A LEGENDARY
>OH MY MIDGET WITH A LATIS PAIR BEACUSE... JUST BECAUSE
>OH MY SIGURD!
>OH MY STONE!
>OH MY DEXHOLDERS!
>OH MY REFORMED E4 THAT SHOULD BY ALL MEANS BE IN JAIL!
>OH MY LAPRAS!
>OH MY EDGY ARMOR!
>OH MY 6 YEAR OLD WITH DOCTORATE!
>OH MY SMALL TOURNAMENT PUTTING ME AT REAL CHAMPION LEVEL OF FAME JUST BECAUSE!
>OH MY SUPER DUPER AWESOME MALE DEXHOLDER THAT IS SUPER DUPER STRONG DESPITE NOT TRAINING FOR YEARS
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>>57044414
>>57044430
Tobias is still worse.
And funny that considering a bunch of those have near exact equivalents in the trAshnime.
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>>57044447
>bunch of those have near exact equivalents in the trAshnime.
Don't give a shit, Tobias was stated by the staff to be an order for the suits and the ashnime isn't even as wanked as the manga.

Adventures does have stuff that blows a lot of asspulls in the entire franchise
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>>57044343
You gotta admit, the whole idea of a dexholder sounds really dumb.
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>>57044466
That's half of this franchise concepts.
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>>57044481
Nah, it's just dexholders.
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>>57044601
Dexholders mindbroke you.
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>>57044603
Yes. Broke my mind and filled it with aura.
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Tobias is cool, I don't get why anime-onlys hate him so much. So what if he beat Ash? Everyone else beat Ash too.
But that makes me curious. Are there any Tobias bash fics? I can only remember him in one fic, The Type Specialist, and in there he was pretty alright.
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>>57044705
You seriously are unable to understand why asspullineg a legendary spammer out of nowhere just for the sake of forcing a loss on Ash would piss off people a little? I'm sorry to tell you, anon, but you may have autism.
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>>57044801
Would you rather have Ash lose to Jimmy Junior the king of special eds who only brought 5 pokemon and forgot to get his 8th badge? Because they could have done that too and still "forced a loss" on Ash.
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>>57044817
You can just call him Alain anon.
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>>57044817
>Wow why don't you like being constipated it's better than having diarrhea stop complaining and being so entitled
You really do have autism.
>Would you rather have Ash lose to Jimmy Junior the king of special eds who only brought 5 pokemon and forgot to get his 8th badge?
I would rather have Ash win.
>and still "forced a loss" on Ash.
How about not forcing a loss on Ash?
How about just letting him win instead of enforcing a needless and harmful status quo?
Just because things "could be worse" doesn't mean I should be grateful for what we got nor does it mean it's not magically shit anymore.
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>>57044834
It feels like you just want them to force a win on Ash instead. Bit of a double standard but okay I can understand favoring your own side.
But I still don't get why anime fans are mad at Tobias in particular. How is he any different from all the other guys who beat Ash? Shouldn't him using legendaries make you feel better because at least this time you know Ash lost to a worthy opponent instead of some idiot kid who's 10x dumber than Ash?

I'd rather lose to Red than Youngster Joey.
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Any good age gap shipfics with the female protag?
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>>57044852
Tobias...? Ash...?
Weird way to pronounce stepping stones for my OC, but whatever. They'll get trolled no matter who they are.
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>>57044852
>It feels like you just want them to force a win on Ash instead.
I hated SM and hated Shitneys so no.
Shit forced contrived writing is shit no matter if it's for a loss or for a win.
>But I still don't get why
I wish you luck in your future with autism. I hope it doesn't end up impeding your daily life all that much.
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>>57044935
Thanks for not answering my question I guess? If you just want to get angry don't act like you have a valid reason for it, because I'm still clueless as to why you're more okay with losing to that BW kid than Tobias. Losing to a legendary trainer is infinitely more respectable than the other options.
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>>57044956
>Thanks for not answering my question I guess?
I answered the question. You're too retarded and autistic to understand basic human emotion.
>f you just want to get angry don't act like you have a valid reason for it
Calling you a retard is not being angry.
>because I'm still clueless as to why you're more okay with losing to that BW kid than Tobias.
When did I ever say I was okay with that? That's one of if not the most mocked of all of Ash losses. Doubly so thanks to the BW reset which is also why people don't mind it that much as people had zero hopes, interest or expectations for BW Ash.
>Losing to a legendary trainer is infinitely more respectable than the other options.
So?
An asspulled out of nowhere loss with zero build-up during the season where Ash was at his most competent at the arguably the season with the best writing.
A loss is a loss still. Just because "it made Ash lose better" doesn't mean he still didn't lose. He still didn't win the League. And he got cockblocked on the most contrived and retard of ways, through a literal asspull.

Again, do you have autism? Are you really unable to understand the difference between these two situations and why expectations and reactions differ? That you're unable to understand why people dislike asspulls on their media?
And, once again, why must it be a loss yes or yes? Are you Yuyama by any chance?

Don't reply to me again.
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>>57044979
You're giving a lot of anger and not a lot of reasons. I guess this is just a cultural thing.
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>>57044979
Cope
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>mop floors at the local Pokecenter
>spend an hour's pay on a Pokeball
>toss ball at a route 1 shitmon
>start my journey
Backers HATE him
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>>57045600
Nothing wrong with a route 1 shitmon. Train them as strong as they can be and say fuck the nay sayers.
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>>57045600
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO POKEBALLS ARE SUPPOSED TO COST AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD FAMILY SALARY AND THAT'S JUST A SINGLE BASIC POKEBALL YOU ARE BREAKING MY IMMERSION YOU ALSO NEED A LICENSE THAT COSTS FIVE TIMES AS MUCH TO TAKE THE EXAM FOR IT TO JUST EVEN BE ABLE TO BE QUALIFIED TO BUY THE POKEBALL IN THE FIRST PLACE

>>57045721
Honestly, I'm so sick of seeing so many "hurr I and my route 1 shitmons will prove everyone wrong about how everyone thinks shitmons are weak" just for the setting to be anime based and Ash even exists that I've looped back into wanting to only see popular and strong mons.
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>>57044828
No anon, it can't be Alain. Alain is the super special snowflake RIZARDON guy; he can't be an uninteresting faggot. He was scientifically designed to be COOL and EDGY jus like the kids enjoy!

>>57044705
I barely watched the anime and I dislike Tobias. Not because he beat Ash, I don't care about that, but because he has multiple legendary Pokémon with no explanation whatsoever. It cheapens the status of these mythological beings and, on top of that, he has no character whatsoever. A walking plot device that serves no purpose other than to bring down legendaries (since we know anyone could've beaten Ash, it was predetermined).
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>>57045769
But what about shitmons that ARE strong 'mons, for their particular strategy?
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>>57045769
TBF, I clock out of fanfiction 99.9% of the time if Ash is running around, even if they're not the MC.

I'd rather read about route 1 shitmon starters than shit like lucario/vulpix/enterpopularshithere
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>>57045817
>he has multiple legendary Pokémon
Latios and Darkrai aren't that legendary though? In the anime they're jobbers(yeah the movie darkrai kicked ass, but there was a darkrai in a regular episode who was pretty average), and in the games they're not that special either.
Lesser legendaries don't seem that impressive without either centuries of experience or a talented trainer propping them up.
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>>57046131
They're still legendaries. Not main ones, maybe, but they're still implied to be exceedingly rare (in Latios' case) or wholly unique. I'm also not super a fan of Brandon having the Regis, but at least he's a prominent, acceptably strong trainer that oe could see maaaybe making sense.
Tobias, meanwhile, is a completely random cardboard cutout with no discernible personality, no presence other than being "that one guy with the legendaries" and serves no other purpose than to make Ash job, which isn't a special or unique trait whatsoever. He literally only exists for that one purpose and, in the process, brings down the special trait on the legends he has on him (since he only ever used those mons, it's implied he has even more of them).

I don't mind a series using a character as a plot device for something, that's what they all are at the end of the day; but when it's only purpose is to BE said plot device, that's not a character, that's personified convenience.
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>>57046131
>D-Doesn't count
Really nigga? lol
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>>57046184
It does seem like a waste that a truly powerful trainer like Tobias didn't get more of a build up.
>brings down the special trait on the legends
This has already happened plenty of times. Remember the frontier brains? A Registeel was struggling against a regular Torkoal. An Articuno got thrashed by a regular Charizard. etc.
The precedent for legendaries being nothing special had been set a long time ago, even discounting the many times they've fallen prey to villains with simple nets.
>>57046254
Child.
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>>57046286
I don't because, like I said, I barely watched the anime. I think I tapped out somewhere near the end of Advanced or something?
Either way, shitmons going toe to toe with legends is understandable (if not appreciated) for the anime because if it were more in line with canon lore legendaries wouldn't be able to show up at all without fucking everything and everyone up. Plus, I specifically brought up Brandon (Pyramid King) on his having the Regis and that he at least is an actual character with an actual role, while Tobias is a complete non-entity that unironically goes "nothin' personnel kid", beats the MC and then fucks off forever. That's not fun, not entertaining and having him associated with legendaries not only breaks suspension of disbelief but lowers their coolness factor by proxy.

You can like Tobias, I'm not your mommy or your boss to tell you what to do but, to me, he's only one step removed from a Mary Sue by virtue of not actually being a character to begin with.
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>>57046315
>unironically goes "nothin' personnel kid", beats the MC and then fucks off forever
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>>57046328
See, if it wasn't Tobias specifically I'd agree with you. I've no issue with some edgelord showing up, stomping Ash and then disappearing into the shadows of his anguished and tortured existence. If it were some Gladion-esque JoJo posing faggot with a Tyranitar and a Gastrodon, I'd think it was a riot, but what we got was infinitely less entertaining.
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>>57046357
I think there would have actually been violent riots if they dared to make it a joke like that lol
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>>57046357
Was T.Tar actually good in gen 4? I can't remember off the top of my head.
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>>57047596
I only picked it because it's a pretty certain "edgy" pick, and Gastro to balance it out and not make it TOO extreme, but any kind of normal/rare mons would suffice.
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>>57047596
>Was T.Tar actually good in gen 4?
Yes, T.Tar was and still is the premier sand-setter, and was present on pretty much every non-rain/sun team despite its crippling typing until gen 7 when it got power creeped out of automatic pick but its still remained relevant even in today's power creep
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>>57031171
No, it's just headcanon shit.
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Do your writing reps.
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So, what do we do with Arceus's blessing? Ignore it?
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>>57049659
What else can you do? The very concept is quite limited since it's super form of the trainer proof of their super bond with their pokemon.
It's not something you can use nilly willy because then it lacks meaning.
It's either climatic thing for final battle power of bond boost or MC has it from day 1 and curbstomps everyone and everything.
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>>57049682
>it's super form of the trainer proof of their super bond with their pokemon.
Oh, is that Sex lore? I thought it was to stop Volo or something but yeah, it would break the setting more than Poppy
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What Ace mon would you give a mountain man-type villain? Picture Yukon Cornelius but he wants to fuck your face with an axe. Is Abomasnow too obvious?
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>>57034238

> Ash : A strange place, filled with beautiful pink crystal, a paradise, a place from my dream and a strange man .... urging me to come ...... and erase this place.
> Ash : You are looking for a place called Rakua?
> Dot : No decent person should ever seek Rakua .
> Liko : I am Liko
> Ash : I am ....... Ash Ketchum
> Gurumin : Nyann
> Dot : That name..... sounds familiar.
> Molly : Hey kid, how about you join our crew?
> Murdock : Don't involve outsiders!
> Lublow : Those children hold the key to save Friede.
> Orio : They could die.
> Murdock: This journey is been about life and death
> Molly: The one who wins this war will control Rakua and the power of Rakulium.
> Liko : Did you see Rakua and Lucius on the otherside?
> Ash : Trust me, we will win.
> Rotomdex: zzzzzzt don't underestimate Ash zzzzzzt .
> Ash : Wanna go to Rakua together
> Liko : Terapagos is saying ......... fight.
> Mega Lucario takes on the explorer.
> Ash runs on Black Rayquaza's back and jump.
> Diana : That boy understands the innate potential of a pokémon, he might be the one to surpass Lucius.
> Ash : I have gotta fight..... or lose
> Ash : LIKO
> Liko : ASH
> Ash : Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
> Pokémon The Path To Rakua.
> Ash : Can I find my answer on Rakua!
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>>57049736
>Bloodmoon Ursaluna
>Mamoswine
>Tyranitar
>Rhyperior
>Kantonian Golem
>Ting-Lu
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>>57049659
Ignore it. My SI ain't getting any form of power.
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>>57025839
This reminds me of one of the cyberpunk sample settings from this. Had some concepts around megacorps funding and backing trainers with research and funding.
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>>57031313
The TM seems like it more is unlocking a potential of a pokemon and not installing something new. Then again it could be a mix of either one. Maybe more pokemon gain access to moves as time goes on because TMs recieve an version upgrade.
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>>57044430
Half of these aren’t even asspulls, you’re just disagreeing on their presentation.
>>57044853
Are you somehow unable to filter for Gloria/Leon or Gloria/Riahan on AO3? I’m sure some thirsty teenager has written something decent there.
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>>57031636
>I owe this young child a debt of gratitude. If I must sacrifice my office decoration to repay them then so be it.
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>>57035581
I would rather be weak and revolting than betray my ideals. If my pokemon remain weak and disobedient than so be it. I would still get shit done.
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>>57049659
I have no plans for the form itself, but Arceus taking curiosity in the growth of trainers and their bonds with Pokémon was coincidentally already part of the fic I'm doing.
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>>57049659
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>>57044852
Tobias upsets people because him having 2 legendaries with no context degrades on the inherent specialness that legendaries are supposed to represent. Pokemon is a sports anime at heart, so an analogy would be if a during the final match of the season a never before mentioned team of suddenly appeared out of nowhere with super human skill, won the season, and then they were never mentioned again.
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>>57049659
I was planning for a curse disguised as a blessing anyways, so this masterSeX fanfiction has only given my stupid shit some legitimacy.
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Any recommendations for mature (competently told with actual stakes) fics that are reasonably updated or complete? The two most memorable fics I ever read are

Pokemon 0 by Afroshock where pokemon trainers were almost exclusively impoverished kids who were drafted into the league.

Pokemon Blood Red by Ahye01 follows an Oc named Jethro in Kanto on his journey. Had a good run for a while but ended without much of a conclusion.
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>>57051242
I will self shill as long as you don't mind PMD
https://archiveofourown.org/works/49048243/chapters/123742576

I am also actively uploading the sequel, if it tickles your fancy.
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>>57035581
If only their bond with me matters then I’d train them to focus all their hatred on me—at least that way they’ll have each other.
I’d train them to the bone and then refuse to feed them, sending them to gather their own food—except I’ve scattered piles of exotic, yummy berries and treats for them to stumble upon.
I’d feed them all sorts of bitter medicine and herbs that are ridiculously good for them but lower their friendship.
I’d definitely try some sith training shit like this >>57037383 and teach them to hate, and focus and hold on to their hatred to really get the most juice out of our bond, but then I’d teach them ways of coping and unwinding outside of combat—I would just need to figure out a way to make them never try them on me.

If all that fails:
>PROFESSOR OAK HELP ME I’M FROM ANOTHER WORLD MY BOND WORKS BACKWARDS I WILL LET YOU STUDY ME IF YOU GIVE ME A ROOF AND FOOD AND MAYBE PAY ME

>also as an added boon…
I will flood Cynthia’s social media with the n-word and call her garbage publically until she fucks me.
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>>57050509
I have checked those and read a lot of them. I was just wondering about the other protags. I'm not particularly a big fan of Akari and Volo or Ingo. Juliana has no one but Larry ig. Lyra and Proton has never had much of an active scene.
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>>57051242
>competently told with actual stakes
I have a little in both columns, I suppose.
https://archiveofourown.org/series/434011
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>Evil lurks in the heart of Alto Mare, as Ash and Latias seek to stomp it out! Who are the evildoers who would shatter the peace of this fair town?
>Find out now!
AO3: https://archiveofourown.org/works/59830117/chapters/156424105
FFN: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14402750/1/Pok%C3%A9mon-XY-Finding-Something-New
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>>57051242
I suppose I can throw my hat in the ring, and certainly not because there's a new chapter going up sometime within the next two hours or so.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/59758336/chapters/152426965
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Ninjas are cool bros, that and at least building a power system with them its easier than with aura or psychics
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>>57049659
On the rare occasion I open up MasterSeX and on the even rarer occasion I actually do some content, I always instaskip everything. Redpill me on Aus' Blessing.
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>>57051916
Steven/May might be up your alley if it exists in any capacity. Maybe N and Hilda since N's technically older than her by like 7 years or so.
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>>57035260
If Pokémon trainers could had something similar to space magic like Gundam protagonist, what should that ability be?
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>>57053954
Isn't that basically psychic powers?
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>>57051916
I would expect there to be a LOT of LilliexKukui and ChiggunxGuzma
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>>57054004

Only few physic type specialist like Avery and Sabrina has psychic power. I am talking about something main character can develop like space magic
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>>57035581
itd be kinda hard, but assuming im blasted in as the protag, id hope im in johto, as Chikorita is so fucking pathetic and defenseless i'd have little (rightful) fear of it striking back. then, the abuse begins. every miss is an invitation for a beating, and of course i'd try and use high power low accuracy moves. that leaf would be janked as hard as i could every time that grassy fuck fainted.
my only other mon is a zubat, as it would literally never see me or my sock of rocks coming. only i give them food, and they must associate me with survival, no matter how much pain living brings them. whips are overrated; that golbat, whose teeth i pry out every time a pokecenter heals them back, will be the first hateborne crobat
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>>57054232
Aura. I am not shitting you, just say that whatever newtype space magic you wanna put in your oc is Aura and the fags will slop it up real good.
Also because it kinda already is exactly what you want.
>muh protag is special power
>limited mind reading
>possible pre-cognition
>faster, stronger, harder
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More writing reps.
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By genuine accident I wrote a scenario where a 15 year old girl, if you read between the lines, is going commando in a non-lewd story. Do I just not bring it up and hope nobody comments on it, or do I make mention she borrowed someone else's underwear, and consequently draw attention to it by resolving it?
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>>57055602
I think that depends? We all know top tier battlers are excentric autists so maybe that's he gig and anyone at her level or above wouldn't really care
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>>57055602
Don't worry anon. Every writer subtly inserts their fetishes into their work.
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>>57055602
>borrowed someone else's underwear
Whoa there buddy, I thought you said this wasn't a lewd story!
There's no way to "win"; everything is lewdable if you want it to be, and conversely, if you're not looking for that sort of thing, nobody cares no matter how questionable it might be. But that also means there's no way to "lose"; actual children's media does questionable stuff all the time and no one minds.
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>>57055602
it happens to the best of us
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>>57055602
How does one write such an accident into the story? Genuine question. Anyway, just go back and edit it so that it's not an issue.
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>>57055749
>How does one write such an accident into the story?
I off-handedly listed all the clothes she had on-hand, which included no underwear, then had her dive into a pool and need to completely change her clothes
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Should water-type pokemon that look like fish float in the air while fighting or just flop on the ground like a Magikarp?
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>>57055602
Leave it be, I think. Although your latter possible solution sounds good...
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Perhaps a dumb question.
One of the biggest things the anime tries to tell us about Ash is how his battle style is full of creativity and out of the box thinking to the point it became his trademark.
But I started thinking about it and realized that despite how much fanfics focus on custom moves and creative usage of moves and what-not I cannot think of any other anime character who did similar stuff at all. Pretty much all non-Ash characters were always constricted to normal logic from how moves and stuff work in the games.
Did any other anime character ever end up doing stuff like that? Because the only one time that genuinely comes to mind is Paul copying counter-shield in the Sinnoh league.
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>>57055793
I think it kinda depends on the 'mon and its experience level. Someone's freshly caught horsea from the ocean? No way that things got enough practice to be useful on land. A kingdra on the team of an ace trainer? Its got enough power behind it already that it can use the principles of moves like surf and waterfall to handle movement on land with no problem, probably just floating with a thin layer of water and some kind of hydrokinesis.

A wild garyados, of course, can levitate with pure anger, as flying types do.
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>>57055867
It's been a while but isn't Ash's style more about speed than anything else?
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>>57055769
Normal people reading this will absolutely not assume that means she didn't pack any, they'll assume you just didn't mention it. Just like you presumably didn't mention the tampons or pads she packed, or all the times she's gone off the main Route to piss in the bushes. That way lies madness (or perversion, usually perversion).
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>>57055793
Flop around like Magikarp, but still be 100% effective at battling. If you send out a fish Pokemon on land, you're having a giggle, and the scene should reflect that.
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>>57055867
The contest battles are the closest to what you're after. Other than that, no, the anime never creative with the tools gamefreak provided.
For as much as we shit on gamefreak and other fanfics, the anime's got the worst and most uninspired writing of them all.
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>>57055927
From a meta perspective, Ash always did best with speedsters and brute force type mons.
However, that's really never brought about in the show itself. The creativity is the one that's always bring brought-up, specially so during SM and Journeys to the point of starting to become an informed attribute.
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>>57056643
I like speedy fuckers
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You capture a new Pokemon. It has an attitude problem and lashes out and injures your starter while you’re showing it the ropes.

What would you do to discipline this new Pokémon?
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>>57057189
Get into a wacky adventure where we end up stranded on our own somewhere and need to depend on one another for survival, my starter and the new Pokemon getting on like water and oil until an accident puts my own life in danger, and they put aside their own differences to save me - learning to become teammates in the process.
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>>57057189
timeout in the PC
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>>57057189
Break one bone for every injury, then bind them in chains against a rocky shore for two days and two nights so that the fierce waves might shear away their evil thoughts.
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>>57057189
Get the rest of my team to beat the fuck out of it and then release it into the wild.
This ain't the trashanime, if a Pokemon is a liability, specially in terms of behavior and personality, then they're out. Not everyone is secretly a good boi who will go through character development.
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>>57057293
Now how would your Starter and the rest of your team feel about the actions you've taken
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>>57057371
>Wow we sure are glad that cunt is fucking gone
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>>57054232
Everyone has the potential, just look at the psychic test they did in the anime and manga where everyone (but Ash) passed it, there's also Yellow
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>>57055867
Dawn was pretty much the same sorta thinker Ash was, which is why Ash's best tricks came from the two of them sharing techniques back and forth. Paul himself was also a very clever thinker, though he was never on the same level as Ash. All around, Ash was just a cut above the rest.
>>57056643
Nah, Ash's style of battling is explicitly looked at in DP. His propensity to train everyone as a speedy hard hitter bites him in the ass when he ends up training Turtwig to do tricks, only to get BTFO as a Grotle/Torterra when his agility drops. It's a whole arc where Ash needs to learn to lean into another battling style with him. Unfortunately he never does get the big W he deserves from that.
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>>57057189
We tie it snugly against a tree while I grab a baseball bat and go to town on it. As the trainer, it is essential for my team to witness me display my dominance like this. I am their alpha, the pack leader—I must be the one to personally fix this slight. They watch enthralled as I beat the crying, sniveling creature within an inch of its life, ignoring its pleas. I then step aside to let my starter, my comrade in arms—my own brother this fucking prick had the nerve to touch, deliver the final blow. We cook it on the spot, saying nothing, brothers and sisters looking at each at each other across the fire as we feast on the roasting corpse of such treacherous enemy.
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>>57057819
>It's a whole arc where Ash needs to learn to lean into another battling style with him. Unfortunately he never does get the big W he deserves from that.
What? Ash does FUCK-ALL.
He just keeps brute forcing speed battling on Grottle and Torterra and it keeps NOT WORKING as you just mentioned, and what does he do? Just keep trying to force it.
Rock Climb ends up one of the most useless and worthless moves in the entire anime as consequence of how fucking awful Torterra's record is. Every single time it uses Rock Climb to get around the speed issue it instantly jobs.
Ash was so fucking useless that Paul's Torterra fucking sneaks away to try to teach Grottle how to fat turtle, and that also goes nowhere all thanks to trAsh continuing to brute force the issue rather than adapt.
There was no arc. There was not even a genuine attempt. Just trAsh being a fucking retard and continuing to force a square peg on a round hole.
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>>57058239
Did you miss the whole stretch where Grotle learns Energy Ball and consumes it for the power boost? Or the very fact they learned Rock Climb *to* overcome that issue? Just because they didn't succeed doesn't mean there wasn't an arc. Yeah, it sucks we never got the super big pay off for it. That's one of DP's biggest faults. But to act like Ash was an idiot the entire time in one of his smartest showings ever is just disingenuous
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>>57058289
>Grotle learns Energy Ball and consumes it for the power boost
Wasn't DP supposed to be the "best" season? Why were they making up fanfic-tier crap like this
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>>57058326
Fuck you that sounds based, gonna use it on my fic
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>>57058364
It sounds cringe when Synthesis already exists. Like a cheap shortcut to hand your MC something they shouldn't have yet.
If Ash taught his Grotle Synthesis and built a tanky style it would've been good, but "eat your move for a free powerup and heal" when it's not even a mon that has Sap Sipper is something we only see in bad fanfics.
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>>57058326
I like the idea of writing Pokemon moves like Naruto jutsus (using them in deceptive/sneaky ways), but yeah the concept of eating an Energy Ball is odd.
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>>57058384
Same. But this is like if Naruto was really injured and low on chakra, and his way out was to summon a bunch of shadow clones and immediately absorb them to recover his injuries and chakra pool. Not have them meditate to recover chakra before dispelling, not have them use a jutsu to heal him, they just summon and then immediately dispel and he's all better even though we know that's not how the jutsu works.
But, I'm over analyzing this. It's a cheap kids show, the writers didn't really care.
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>>57058383
>>57058400
Eating the Energy ball does not heal, what are you talking about? It does not restore his energy, all it does is provide a power boost, like a budget Growth. I get that you don't like the anime, but you could at least take a shot at understanding the cheap show you're trying to criticize.
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>>57057189
I would fuck her right in the cloacca, then let my starter get sloppy seconds.
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>>57058400
Since you brought up Naruto let me put it in shounen terms, Negi did absorb his own spell to fuse with magia erebea getting a boost of power from doing so or how Goku absorbed the spirit bomb a couple of times or Trunks and his spirit sword.
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>>57058430
Still doesn't make sense. It's like they're afraid of letting Ash use buff moves even though he used them just fine against Surge. It feels like they're diminishing the value of Ash learning a smarter style by giving him this copout that's never seen anywhere else.
>I get that you don't like the anime
What? I think one part is stupid so I hate all of it?
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>>57058568
>It feels like they're diminishing the value of Ash learning a smarter style by giving him this copout that's never seen anywhere else.
That's unironically Yuyama's fault with everything we know now, an Ash without his autism would be a total different person since he would actually grow
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>>57058498
Spirit bomb has energy from other people in it. Eating Energy Ball is weird because you are initially going net negative on power.
You are spending energy to fuel what is functionally an exploding battery, then you put the fuel in the battery back into you.
Though I could see this being handwaved into saying that the processed energy/fuel used in Energy Ball is more efficient. Then logically the next step would be to make the power up more efficient by cutting out the whole make energy ball -> swallow step and then making it a permanent/base state by constantly internally cycling energy into the more efficient form without thinking about it.
That's a fun little idea/training arc.
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>>57058625
>It works by absorbing the spells into the caster and gaining properties of that same spell. The spell Magia Erebea harnesses the spell's energy and once absorbed by the caster, it is fused directly to the caster's soul. With the insanity of absorbing one’s own offensive magic and allowing it to devour the soul and body, the mage gains incredible power many times beyond normal.

You're unironically overthinking it bro
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>>57058650
I like overthinking powers
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>>57058757
Was that how it actually played out in DBZ or were the manga guys having a laugh trying to build up the suspense as much they could before Chaotzu kamikaze'd
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>>57058821
I'm pretty sure it's taking the piss out of HunterXHunter, which has an infamous level of text compared to art to the point people call it a light novel.
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Aura hippies? Psychic freakjobs? Power of friendship retards?
Fools. Kneel before the TRUE weapon to surpass all others: bigge sticc
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>>57037812
Does this thread take requests?
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>>57059123
The stick is too broken.
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>>57059136
If the idea is interesting someone might grab it, but it's unlikely.
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>>57059143
Based stick chads
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>>57055769
Any normal person reading will assume that she has underwear. You can also just go back and edit that chapter to include undergarments.
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>>57059123
Ash knows Kendo! what else does this kid knows?
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>>57058383
>is something we only see in bad fanfics
The anime is pretty much a fanfic of the games.
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>>57057189
Well, the first thing it gets is a thrashing, preferably by said starter or, should it not be fit for battling immediately, another team powerhouse.
After it gets the corporal punishment, depending on how it behaves during that, it'll get a speedy healing and a severe talking to to learn how team dynamics work or, if it's shown considerable unrepentance, slow, mostly natural healing and is either sent to a tamer or lab for proper behavioral treatment or, if too dangerous, is released back into the wild, with the warning that should it cross us again, there'll be blood to be repaid.

I believe in second chances and forgiveness, but a team is, first of all, loyal to each other. It doesn't have to like everyone or get along with wildly different personalities but, as long as it's on the team, it's one of us, for better and for worse; inter-team rivalries can be useful, but betrayal is not tolerated.
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>>57057189
Pokemon want to become stronger and respect strong trainers. Heal up my starter then have it battle my starter. After its ass gets whooped it would see that the pokemon that works together with its trainer is stronger.
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>>57057189
A muzzle for one. Ground rules will be gone over, and if things aren't working out, I'll see if I can get it released somewhere far off, or otherwise removed from my team.
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Do we know if wedding rings are a common practice in the Pokémon world?
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>>57061529
From a quick look at Bulbapedia, Kukui wears a ring, but Burnet, Norman, Chuck, Hoenn mom, Lenora, and Peony don't, so it doesn't seem like a common occurrence.
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>>57052173
Oh hey, I posted a bonus chapter, neat. Gotta love random bouts of inspiration.
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>>57058821
>>57058835
It's taking the piss. The text is replacing the rest of that scene.
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>>57061529
I'm more curious about cripples, I haven't seen one so far in the entire franchise
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>>57063015
Nemona is somewhat disabled (she needs an arm brace to throw poké balls), but that's really it as far as disabled characters go.
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>>57063015
That's a good point. How come there's not been any representation for cripples in pokemon, both official and unofficial media?
Paraplegic arcanines can fight just as well as any other pokemon!
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>>57063025
>needs arm brace to throw a fucking pokeball
>can't run a couple feet without becoming exhausted
Shit tier genes, weak and fragile and WORTHLESS, her offspring will not survive winter, her bloodline will not continue.
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>>57063136
>her bloodline will not continue.
Not if I have anything to say about it.
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Alright anons, for a more productive topic, how do you name your stories? What do you use for inspiration?
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>>57063136
>Shit tier genes, weak and fragile and WORTHLESS, her offspring will not survive winter,
Good thing I gay-married her to Juliana so her stronger genes bolster their children
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>>57063015
>>57063025
Am I the only one who briefly thought Nemona had a prosthetic arm when they first saw her in the game?
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>>57063136
>>needs arm brace to throw a fucking pokeball
Is this in the games like the stamina thing? I never played SV.
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>>57063275
Important plot points/whatever sounds cool. I used to stress about it until I realized that you can get away with literally anything as long as it's catchy enough to remember
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>>57063136
Her glass bones and paper skin are actually adaptations to render her susceptible to rape and captivity! She can't escape from strange men so she is sure to end up pregnant and continue her bloodline! If she has a daughter she will also be frail and weak, but if she has a son he will be strong and virile! Nature is beautiful!
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>>57063015
Isn't Wally like, sick or something?
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>>57059123
Our FUCKING HERO is bashing Beedrills with a non-stab, DOUBLY RESISTED plant type attack right in front of his OWN GRASS TYPE, like the troglodyte CHAD that he is.
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>>57064868
He has asthma. His parents freak out and send him to live with his uncle in Bel- I mean Verdanturf because the air there is better quality.
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WRITER.
The stories you daydream about.
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Damn, just how much of a shitter region Paldea is that their ***strongest champion*** is a cripple?
I'm starting to think the Paradoxes are actually shitmons.
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>>57066046
Honestly it's better that the human's a cripple. It makes them more reliant on their pokemon, like pugs who need their masters to live. Cute, even. What does a human need a functional body for anyways? Let the big, strong, superior pokemon take care of that for you while you just sit there and look pretty.

Pokemon get more motivation the more special needs their trainer is. Just look at Wally, Nemona, and Ash.
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>>57066084
So, a perfect pokemon trainer is Emperor of mankind kind of guy after getting strapped to their golden chair?
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Post the last five fanfic you read,
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>>57066712
The Bible, the Quran, my Diary desu, Smogon, anon’s post contradicting my own.
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>>57025839
is it on these threads white vaporeon is born?
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>>57067193
Nah, that's the normal -eon threads.
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What did ancient Pokémon warfare look like?

Do you send all your men and Pokémon to a barren field and line them up? Do you make smaller squads, arrange them in specific formations? Is it six Pokémon to a man, or just one? Would you even have a navy if aquatic Pokémon can easily destroy, capsize, and inconvenience ships? How would airborne Pokémon alter the dynamics of battle?

Is there any hope, with so many different types of Pokémon in existence, of Generals reacting to changes in the battlefield in a timely manner, or is the cat out of the bag once a major conflict starts?
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>>57067314
Any Psychic or Ghost type would fuck a battlefield, they can go full stealth and even predict whatever you do
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>>57067402
>other side has ghosts and psychics too
What now
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>>57067588
Eternal cold war?
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>>57067588
create an ultra ghost through ritual sacrifice of your strongest warriors and their mons.
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>>57067314
>>Is it six Pokémon to a man, or just one?
>implying rank and fodder humans would own pokemon
the lords and generals own the pokemon. The human soldiers are glorified caretakers who are expected to die in order to enrage the pokemon just like macedonian elephant caretakers were.
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>>57067922
>who are expected to die in order to enrage the pokemon just like macedonian elephant caretakers were.
If true that's actually damn stupid and what most call a double-edged sword since both sides would suffer, that's one of the reasons why I hate Grim Darkwood and Thanatos
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>story has Fairy-types all be universally nefarious or vicious
I'm so fucking sick of this continually popping up in stories.
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>>57068194
What if cute and innocent thing... evil?!
Insane that this trend is still going after all these years
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>>57068204
Nigga
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>>57068194
>>57068204
Here's your heckin' wholesome type full of good bois btw
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>>57068255
A few evil ones are fine.
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>>57068264
I'm time-traveling to 2011 and nuking gf hq
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>>57068264
Most of these aren't nefarious or evil. The tapu would be called capricious at worst.
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>>57068264
Most of these are based tho
>kindly gets people the fuck off my property
>mercifully provides a soothing aura so its prey doesn't die traumatically
>violently punishes annoying trespassers
>violently punishes vandals
>efficiently eradicates treasonous rebel scum and provides absolute protection to anyone else
>violently punishes people who vandalize its property or invade its privacy
>lets people who lust after her scales kill themselves in their blind greed
>violently protects their airspace against foreign aviators
The worst ones in the image are the grimmsnarl, mawile, and mycus who each actively lure in innocents to harm. The rest are either justified in their actions or annoying pests at worst.
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>>57068194
I'm actually working on something where my MC has issues with fairy types, mostly due to growing up in Laverre City though.

>>57068264
Iron Valiant did nothing wrong.
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>>57068264
>rat that makes your electric bill go up
How brutally and efficiently would Dedenne be hunted, tortured and ritualistically murdered in households worldwide?
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>>57069029
Neither did Scream Tail. Aren't all of the paradoxes supposed to be very aggressive?
>>57068911
Grimmsnarl's also a Dark-type, so it's likely playing on that instead. Mawile's always been deceptive, but I think it used to be more Dark-type oriented before Fairy. I guess the Fairy-typing plays more on the cutesy aspect of it even though it learns Fake Tears.
>>57069115
You could say this about most Electric-types desu
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>>57069115
Calm the fuck down Mao. It's either lose a bit of electricity to mice or have your shit constantly stolen by thieving dark types. They're good warnings against ghost types too, as the little bastards either catch them lurking in the walls or you find their cold dead bodies which let you know a ghastly is lurking about.
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>>57068194
>>57068264
What's the good way to write fairies then?
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>>57069180
Dragon-slaying hugballs of course!
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>>57069180
I'd split things among the four 'weird' types, personally. Play faries up as slightly detached but emotion driven and loyal. Possibly spacey too, thinking about it.

For the other three, you could get away with Psychics being more 'logical' and detached, and ghosts as just floating trolls.

Dark types can go for sinister and tricky if you want, but I'd say they're more intense and emotion driven, personally.
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>>57069180
species-by-species
it doesn't make sense for Gardevoir to be vicious or mischievous for example. a pitbull, chihuahua, and lab don't all have the same temperaments so why would every Fairy-type behave the same way?
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>>57069180
A lot of the fairies take cues from folkloric fae, creatures who live in harmony with nature and act in capricious, though not always malevolent, ways. Of course not all fae are like this, but a common trait is that they're always very in tune with emotions and will, reacting in sudden and violent ways depending on their inherent nature.

Personally, I don't think Fairy types have a single way to be written, because Natures alone would make them vary quite a bit, but they're all usually sensitive to moods and changes in the emotional state of people around them. They're also very affected by their own emotions, sometimes in volatile ways.

From whimsical and cutesy to cruel and mischievous, dealing with Fairies is always a delicate process, since they can swing from one mood to the other at the drop of a hat, but earn the loyalty and affection of one and you'll have a lifelong companion. Sometimes whether you want to or not...
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Giovanni wants you to stop being such a bitch, and join Team Rocket. How much money would it take to make you compromise your morals?
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>>57070247
All of them, and then some more, because you should never settle for anything less!
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>>57066712
Do vore stories count as fanfics?
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>>57070247
I want to say I have no price, but I think a more honest answer is enough to buy the person who owns my morals now.
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What is your opinion on PMD? I saw a fanfic thread but realized you guys are mostly fixated on mainline human stuff.

Not trying to personal attack but I don't see what the appeal is for you guys with trainer stuff. The mainline world always seemed rather nonsensical and obscure. Oddly advanced technology just to capture dogs and bugs. Forcing them into fights and acting like they love getting the shit beaten out of them. Turning it into a worldwide sport that funds a huge portion of the economy. What do humans eat? Do pokemon die? Why don't villains just use guns? I have to suspend a lot of disbelief to take this world setting seriously and to believe trainers aren't sadistic.

I remember reading a Pokemon manga a long time ago and thinking it was okay. But I think the reason is because it focused on saving the world and the protag didn't seem too keen on fighting for enjoyment. He didn't want his pokemon getting hurt but he had no choice. But they still have gyms and stuff which is hard to ignore.

My other problem is that pokemon are kinda just... dumb animals. I find it hard to empathize with creatures that can't talk and look spaced out. Like yes I can cry over a story like Old Yeller but ultimately I prefer PMD because everyone is essentially pokemon with human intellect. It gives an excuse to have a main character with abilities instead of relying on their pets to fight. And they can actually communicate with their teammates.

I'm genuinely interested in hearing your opinions. I haven't given reading these fanfics a fair share so maybe you guys put interesting spins and address the issues I have had with mainline pokemon for ages.
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>>57070247
Depends on context, are we talking in terms of ourselves? Or the character acting as the protag of whatever we're writing?
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>>57070588
If it doesn't appeal to you that's fine. Matters of taste are always subjective. Some of the appeals of fanfiction is that you can change things you don't like or explore the ideas and questions you had if you wanted to.

As for the gun thing, I feel that guns are simply not practical. They require proper training, maintnence, and ammunition. And ultimately anything you would use a gun for could be done much more practically with a pokemon. A gun can only shoot as many bullets as can fit on your person and require specialized equipment to resupply. A pokemon naturally regains its energy with rest and food. And they are more versatile. To use guns in war you'd need an ammunition factory. To send a man with a pokemon to war you would just need food, which you would already need for the soldiers. So while guns likely would have niche usefulness they likely never developed the infrastructure for producing arms like we have in the modern world. So guns would likely be more of a curiosity, like somebody using a bow.

Also, escalation. You pick fights while using pokemon plausible deniablity exists to shield you since people have pokemon battles in childrens playgrounds. You shoot somebody and you now justify the police to take you much more seriously.

Unless this is a copypasta then rip
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>>57070588
>what’s your opinion on PMD
Furfag shit. Not reading the rest of that yapping btw.
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>>57070939
Fair points about the gun stuff. I'd still have a gun on me as a backup but you're right that guns might not even be as developed in that kind of society. Certain pokemon can even deflect bullets.

Still there's the bunch of other issue I have. And no it's not a pasta.

Maybe I should ask a different way. Are you even aware of PMDs existence but have no interest? Is there a reason you would pick trainer world (I need a better name for that) over PMD world? Perhaps you think PMD is a bunch of disgusting furries and you like human characters?
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>>57071012
It's weird you'd be that dismissive because I'm sure a lot of people sexualize the pokemon and aren't into PMD. In that case is it better to make love to feral pets instead of ones that actually pass the harkness test?

>I'm a super mega christian chad and would NEVER find a pokemon attractive!
Yeah, sure buddy... When tepigs fly.
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>>57064892
Why does Ash has more muscles than Might G?
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>>57071052
>LOOK AT THIS LIZARD BRO AWOOGA WOOGA NOW THERE’S A LADY ZOOWEE BET YOU WANT TO FUCK IT HUH DONT LIE!!!
No? Stop projecting you degenerate dog fucker.
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>>57071079
There are plenty of PMD fics that don't include romance if you're still interested.
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>>57071017
I just don't find it as interesting. The setting is less fleshed out and pokemon as the protagonists themselves feel too conceptually pigeonholed as characters. What a pikachu can do is limiting vs what a trainer can do. I find humans more interesting because the lack of pre built in traits gives them more focus on thier actions and choices.
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>>57070939
>they likely never developed the infrastructure for producing arms like we have in the modern world.
Yeah because they probably did something more advanced than just bullets, AZ's canon was basically a giant gun that absorbed life energy and Plasma froze a city with an airship
https://youtu.be/P-D5gePmjnY?si=IPXhTHe7RXQ1FvRV

I don't really get the point of trying to make that world the same as ours, be it politics bullshit or weapons when they are in a scifi setting with a coat of fantasy
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>>57070588
PMD is better, but I'm biased because I write PMD.

Human characters are in every story, so when I sit down to read something pokemon related, I want to read about funny little critters with various powers. I don't care about power scaling, or training, or tournament arcs. I like to read about some silly lizard sunbathing because it's just neat. You don't get that with human characters.
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>The setting is less fleshed out
How? It's like normal society but pokemon instead. You have jobs, you have guilds, you have dungeons, you have continents. Legendaries act like real deities doing their job. I feel there's less oddities than wondering what people eat and if pokemon can willingly change sizes or not. And again, children engaging in slave fighting. I can't get over that. I feel like N trying to protest animal rights and getting ignored.

>What a pikachu can do is limiting vs what a trainer can do
I think I get your point but wrong example. A pikachu is bipedal/humanoid and can do whatever a normal person can and more. If you were an eevee or ekans then yeah it gets strange trying to do things without hands. I think it's quirky. It's neat seeing a society filled with different creatures working together. Some have hands. Some have psychic abilities. Some make fire. Some heal. Maybe it's why PMD societies are more pro-bono because everyone needs to chip in.

>too conceptually pigeonholed
I did just say "fire pokemon do fire jobs" so you're kinda right. But I don't think it's bad to play to a character's strengths. And that's what makes forming bonds and friendships more important.

>I find humans more interesting because the lack of pre built in traits gives them more focus on thier actions and choices
I guess I just don't see it the way you do. To me it hardly feels like the trainer does anything. The pokemon do all the work. At least if you are the pokemon then you can participate while still relying on partners.

Writing a story about humans is like writing a society of only one pokemon species. I find it dull. That's why they rely on having pokemon teams to make it interesting. In that case why have the human at all? I guess they can carry several pokemon? It just seems... dumb idk. The best part of pokemon are, well, the pokemon. So a world with only pokemon is a plus for me. And ironically I find it makes more sense without trainers.
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>>57071268
This is a sentiment I see a lot in furries when they say humans are boring. I never understood it myself because I find humans very interesting (I have an anthropology degree because I love studying humanity).

Like I said, different people are going to like different things and the reasons why are always going to be subjective. People are different and think differently. Even though you and I are both humans we value and express differently. Trying to understand why different people feel a certain way is always worthwhile, but the value in it is not finding what's 'better' but for understanding the individual better through their answer. PMD does have pros and cons as a setting, and those traits combine to make it more appealing to yourself compared to its appeal to me. And neither of us are right or wrong, we are just different.

In that way its sorta like you and me as humans are a different type. We both thrive and struggle in different struggles, but we as humans can work together to overcome those struggles just like pokemon.
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>>57070588
I like PMD a lot but I don’t care for fanfics of it at all. The idea of being a trainer in the Pokemon world or worldbuilding for it is what really draws me in.
>Do Pokemon die?
Honest question, do you play the games?
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>>57070588
It's not to my taste. If I wanted fantasy creatures with a guild based society, I'd read Redwall.
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>>57070588
I love the PMD games, but I don't have any particular interest in fanfics of it. I haven't ever sat down to read one, but off the bat the idea doesn't call to me so I've no great incentive to do so, either.

As for human fics, like another anon said, it's all about immersing yourself in this fantastical world full of magical creatures and how to coeexist with them, both in mundane and way out of the norm ways.
A Growlithe can be a great adventuring and battling companion, but he can also just be your dog that you take on walks and who lights up your fireplace on command. A bug Pokémon can be a forest critter you try to avoid when roughing it out in the forests of the world, or it can be the crawly friend who skitters around the house and pollinates the flowers in your little front lawn garden.

For me, the big appeal of Pokémon fanfics is how different a world where these things are common place is and how fun it is that you can look everywhere and you'll see an incredible and magical but absolute mundane sight and how people react to such things.
Imagine how fun it'd be if you could just call on your big bird Pokémon and use it to fly to visit your friend or on your daily commute, before sending it to pick up a package for you and bring it home. Or use your Water Pokémon to have an impromptu pool party on a hot summer day. And then you take them both and pit them in friendly competitions against the neighbor's fighting type as a form of exercise for them.

Finally, in terms of communication with your teammates, there are literally dozens of ways to remedy that, some more or less believable than others, but it's also cool that a close enough bond between mon and trainer just lets you intuit what they mean, like close friends who communicate with a single glance or gesture; it shows deep, meaningful bonds with creatures that surpasses a mere language barrier.
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>>57071364
Most classic literature are about humans because we're human. I get that. I've read my fair share. History is cool. Stories with non-humans protags is probably a small fraction on my list even as a PMD fag. But Pokemon is fictional and doesn't appear as a reflective piece on human morals. That's the problem. The whole pokemon enslavement thing is extremely immoral to us normal viewers but everyone in the pokemon world believes it's not. It feels ass-backwards to me. Yeah there are a few times when the trainers learn some cliche lesson but the pokemon didn't contribute to that. It's just between trainer and trainer.

So what's the point of having pokemon then? Sake of coolness I guess? That's fine. It's fiction so you can have cool shit without much explanation. Superheros don't have to explain where their power comes from. What you shouldn't do is ignore the impact that superheroes would have on that world or the kind of responsibility they bear. That's what Pokemon does. Pokemon are living creatures but they often sweep moral questions about their place in the world and their relation with trainers. They're just happy to fight and stay in ball cages! And I'm supposed to just accept that? I don't like it.

There are Pokemon short stories that don't involve trainer battles or pokeballs and those are probably the only ones I like. Where pokemon are simply treated as cool wild animals or pets and it's a small story about nature and humans. A boy and his dog. Where it falls apart is the worldwide society aspect from the source material where every 10 year old is endorsed to be a cockfighting champion.

Basically the only way I see a human-pokemon fanfic being good is by getting rid of the trainer aspect or painting it in a bad light. It doesn't make much sense otherwise.
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>>57071675
I see your post and my reply >>57071714 is basically the same.

I think we agree that slice of life is the best way to go for human-pokemon relation. I just don't want gyms, pokeballs, and fighting stuff if it can be avoided. Battling can be okay in the sense that your Growlithe is just protecting you from other wild animals and bad people. My assumption was that all human world fanfics were identical to the world of the anime.
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>words words words
I am not reading ANY of that shit
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>>57071769
>thread about writing
>ugh words!
I get it. I tend to ramble. But it's kinda ironic.
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My problem with PMD stories is that Pokémon arr rook the same between species.
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>>57071774
I tend to care less about long-winded defenses of furfag nonsense over stories I enjoy reading. Particularly when some of your gripes are directly addressed by the games you don’t seem to read when you play.
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>>57071714
>The whole pokemon enslavement thing is extremely immoral
For someone comparing yourself to N it sure seems like you haven't played black and white.
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>>57070588
>I don't see what the appeal is for you guys with trainer stuff.
I don't either. The canon stories are often either trite, absurd, or bland, and many of the characters are, too.
I write OC in the world of Pokemon and go to the places that canon won't tread, so I can directly address whatever I sense is missing and experiment by seeing what happens when I try to complete the picture that canon only sketches out.

But I also don't like PMD for exactly that reason you state,
>everyone is essentially pokemon with human intellect
which in a world without humans means you're just writing humans by another name. There is no conflict introduced. In fact, one is removed, since there isn't an animalistic caste anymore. Mainline Pokemon, canonically and otherwise, puts Pokemon between IRL animal and IRL human and then asks You and Me to think about how we choose to regard them; as tools, as pets, as guardians, as friends, as partners, as food, as collectables, as marks of prestige, or just part of the world.

Instead you're writing for, probably mentally childish (as I remember from what little PMD I played, I think the first one) cargo cultists who mock human society poorly while being benefited by super powers and beset by a weakness to mazes that leads to mental collapse. There's opportunity here by completing the picture, but short of that, it's a shallower world than original IP or mainline.

Anyway, me and my stories are two eras of Pokemon Fan Fiction out of date (I lost relevance with the PMD era and then that was replaced by the current Isekai+canon human era apparently) so mostly I just observe distantly out of habit and I don't presume my opinion to be of much value, but I suppose I can suggest that there are directions that YOU can take Pokemon (the whole concept) that aren't the ones handed to you by the Pokemon Company or by what's trending. If you look hard enough, you might find a place nobody has ever been before. And that'd be worth writing about.
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>>57071714
So you just don't like animal violence?

There are lot of in setting ways pokemon battles are less violent than real life animal fighting. Namely that pokemon have more agency than normal animals a pokemon battles are willingly participated in. Pokemon can ignore any command they want (charizard proves this) and they can leave their pokeballs when they want (psyduck proves this).

We also know that pokemon can be naturally competitive and seek to grow stronger. Pokemon and trainers form a symbiotic relationship that leads to the betterment of both. In this way pokemon battles are more like MMA or boxing, a combat sport practiced in a way thats safe.

As for why society resolves around them... They are guns that can be your friend. They rock. Why wouldn't society revolve around it?
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>>57070588
Most importantly, mainline has far superior world building than PMD.
>Oddly advanced technology just to capture dogs and bugs
? They have plenty of other tech and a lot of people aren't professional trainers or even trainers as a hobby.
>Forcing them into fights and acting like they love getting the shit beaten out of them.
Considering it's every kid's dream to be a fantasy knight/mage/ninja/etc, yes they would love it, especially if it only makes them stronger. Even IRL animals playfight.
>Turning it into a worldwide sport that funds a huge portion of the economy.
Worldwide sport only makes sense. Funding less so, but what's the fun of a fictional martial arts world if martial arts isn't a lucrative path?
>What do humans eat? Do pokemon die? Why don't villains just use guns?
These are all up to the individual authors/stories.
>My other problem is that pokemon are kinda just... dumb animals.
Also up to the individual, but most people make pokemon just as smart as they are in PMD. The only catch is there's still a language barrier(if the story's any good).
>It gives an excuse to have a main character with abilities instead of relying on their pets to fight. And they can actually communicate with their teammates.
Stories can do both, and in fact a few have. Aura, psychic powers, and whatever else the author decides are there for the human MC's taking.

If it weren't for PMD having such non-existent world building then I'd probably be reading more PMD fics. But every single PMD fic is essentially it's own entire unique world, which just isn't my vibe. I dislike OC human-centric regions plenty enough already and those still keep the overall culture of humanity usually, but PMD is always completely OC.
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>>57071714
Pokémon, as far as they've been presented to us, have an instinct to fight. Whether as survival or to grow stronger or what have you, it's something instinctive of them. Being with a trainer helps with that.

The in-universe explanation for the balls shaking and then catching is that it only stops and catches when the Pokémon accepts you as a trainer or, in broader terms, accepts being partnered with a human. It's not enslavement as much as a choice from the Pokémon itself. Maybe being battled/having a ball thrown at it suddenly presents the question to them, but - at least as far as has been presented - it's most times out of choice.

Besides, Pokémon can be caught in balls and not be focused on fighting. You can catch it for personal reasons. Or to compete in contests. Or to help out at the family farm. Or a million other reasons. Just because the most present or visually represented aspect is "professional" battling, which is catering to the instincts of those who like fighting, doesn't mean that's all they do ad live for, nor is that the only aspect of the Pokémon world.

Besides, plenty of fics use non-ball "capturing" or do tackle some of the more hand-waved portions of the setting. You sound like you have a prejudice and that colors your judgement. This isn't a criticism, just observation. If it's not to your taste, it isn't, but the way you describe them is fairly reductive of what's out there.
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>>57071808
Honestly this, it’s not about PMD vs trainerworld, it’s about writing a story that’s not fucking BORING. If you can make me root, and cheer, and feel for a Pokémon I’ll read your story, fine, but I’ve tried so much PMD stuff and it’s always very dry.
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New thread. NOW.
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And then furfags wonder why no one likes them.
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https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13899505/33/Bro-Do-You-Even-Lift
This updated after being dead for a long period of time.
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>>57070247
Depends on how good TR's dental coverage is
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>Find new fic
>Open it all in one page
>Control+F the name of a character I hate
>If they get a positive portrayal then I don't read
>Control+F the name of a character I like
>If they don't get a positive portrayal then I don't read
Simple as.
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>>57072544
>not leaving a negative review
ngmi
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>>57072252
Splendid
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>>57072252
Did Thad finally (consensually) rape Jasmine?
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Let's reconcile PMD and trainerworld by posting stories about humans turning into pokemon and getting captured by fellow humans

:)
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*dabs*
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>>57072803
Only one I've read that actually finished was https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13694545/1/This-Wasn-t-Expected
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new thread
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