>>90831368
"Loving" the company you work for is a trick bosses play on you so they can exploit you.

>>90831368
This entire drama makes respect IRyS so much more

>>90831368
Yep I'm honestly amazed IRyS survived that "Omegay" period.

>>90831368
Anon, even you don't believe the hololive family meme. It's a job. A job where they can make friends if they want, but at the end of the day it's just a place of employment, not some kind of blood cult.
Anyways, Selen.

>>90831368
I heckin love when my Oshi doesn't value herself!!!
I heckin LOVE when my Oshi doesn't put herself first!!!!
I heckin LOVE corpo leather boot in and around my mouth

retard op

>>90831441
>>90831629
/lig/gerseethe

>>90831368
Letting a company buttfuck you is hardly an admirable trait.

>>90831670
>he doesn't agree with me he must be X thing!
Honestly anon, develop your prefrontal cortex.
Explain it to the people of the thread, why should any of the girls deal with incompetent chink management that can't do their fucking jobs right and delay shit for 6 months because the chickenshit management are too scared and too busy to stand up and have a backbone for the talent they're meant to represent

>>90831368
>love their fans and Hololive
*ka-ching*

>>90831368
>let's highlight how many times management has fucked over talent and thèy had to suck it up, and use that to belittle the one who didn't! This should surely prove we don't cultishly worship a black company!
Sister-tier self-footshooting.

>>90831861
There for sure won't be any delays and troubles when they go indie, anon, for sure, right?

(Cover still needs to fix their shit, even if it's not malicious, this shit shouldn't be happening)

meru

>pretending to care about IRyS whilst simultaneously knowing nothing about her

>>90831670
You don’t have to be a /lig/ger to think that being a cumrag for your employer isn’t praiseworthy.

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>>90831441

The thing is sapcucks are calling irys a bootlicker and management pet when she is the one who had it worse.
So when irys says teg management is not forcing her to do anything, i believe her what ever the fuck Fauna, Bae, Kronii, Karla say

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>>90832293
>Karla

An IRyS moment I’ll always remember is that one stream where she’s obviously frustrated and pissed off (to the point where everyone here notices that something’s going on) then she got a really supportive SC at the end and broke down in tears over it. Those were dark times for us IRyStocrats. It would’ve been understandable if she graduated. We got the good ending.

>>90831368
Can't believe someone that quit meat is a quitter

>gets hired in her own special-snowflake gen
>gets incorporated into the mainline gens
>gets multiple redesigns of her model

nepotism baby

>>90832293
>teg
how do you even make this typo? you somehow fucked up the order AND the letters themselves.
>>90832439
I'll always remember when she talked about how project hope went belly up.

>>90832293
>I believe somebody who had been abused in the past by their employer and did nothing about it when they say they’re not being abused by their employer
Retardchama???

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>>90831962
>There for sure won't be any delays and troubles when they go indie, anon, for sure, right?
No one said there would no no delays or troubles, no one with half a brain thinks that anon and no one with above 60 IQ is saying that.
Indie is hard but atleast being an Indie you can try to solve your own issues rather than depending on some lazy-fuck middle management to do it for you.
>(Cover still needs to fix their shit, even if it's not malicious, this shit shouldn't be happening)
Obviously. The more you learn and read about the Japanese corporate structure and the corpo/office culture there the more you understand why EN talent get pissed off.
Pic related sums up Japanese culture perfectly. Everyone gets paralyzed because they're afraid to take risks or disturb the surface tension of the office pond, they wait until the most 'opportune time' to suggest/do something rather than take initiative.

Being a shit indie is objectively worse, you lack any backing, you pay for it all, it's all on you but atleast you can sort your own problems out or hire a competent person who can sort specific stuff out. If you've ever spent any time in Japan for living you'll swiftly understand how stupidly flooded their entire culture is with bureaucracy, management in corpos is no different and I can't blame Fauna for saying "Fuck you" to it all

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>>90831368
Excellent thread, OP.
Always blame the talents.
No exceptions.

Fauna did not eat chucks of meat.
Fauna did not adapt to changes.
Fauna is dead.

Glory to Hololive.
Amen.

>>90832558
NTA but are you dumb?
She was pretty vocal abouy her hate fir management and even cried once on stream

>>90832558
>namefag
>retarded post
Name a more classic duo. If the woman that endured hell can outlast and prevail, that’s quite telling.

>>90831368
Loving Hololive (potentially a company that abuses you) and loving your fans are not synonymous concepts baka

>>90832495
Yeah, you can blame that on management as well. She had no choice in the matter of what gen to be in. She should have been in Council from the start.

>>90832636
dont worry guys fubuki is still there raking in money so the company is fine and good!!!!!!!!!!

If anyone knows what's its like to have shitty management, its IRyS.
And if she says that the past 3 years were a hell for her but now she is fine with the management, i believe her over Fauna that the members are not forced to do anything they don't want like Shiori said

If you faggots have loyalty to the company, brand and or corpo over the individual talents you're a limp wristed freak who has no dedication and by and large are a surface level tourist.
Holo is a good platform and basis for the talents to interact over but you should never be someones fan just by nature of them being from holo.

>love Hololive
>in 2024
Yikes. Miss me with that shit, buddy. I don't support black companies.

>>90832681
I mean, she did specifically audition for the vsinger role, that's kind of on her.

In two months we'll come to the consensus that Fauna was just having a white woman moment (many such cases).

>>90832681
Yeah, it really grinds my gears how they fucked up taking advantage of her as a singer. Realistically she should've taken the ERB route and just had more karaokes and focused on releasing songs and covers, but I guess she did do them as much as she could.
Right now, EN actually has enough real singing powerhouses that they could put out a ton of good music if they actually wanted.

>>90831629
All of you "yaaas go qween!! stick it to da corpo!" fags are gonna look real retarded once fauna goes back to streaming once every 3 months as an indie like she did in holo kek

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>>90833006
>Fauna is just a lazy white woman. There are no issues with management
>What's that? Chloe went in detail about how she was forced to go in for recording with Rona to the point she ended up straining her voice?
>STOP TALKING, CHLOE. CONSIDER STAFF'S FEELINGS

>>90833075
You are going to look real retarded still scarfing down boots when more graduations and affiliates come down the line this winter.

>>90832558
NTA, but
>did nothing about it
Not only she was vocal about it, but she even openly fought against him
Why do you think she got a new, much better mane-chan now?

>>90832669
Isn't she reliant on hololive for a visa?

>>90833516
So you ARE genuinely retarded.

>>90833301
Chloe stop talking about your experiences!!!!!!
you're making the fans target management for harassment!!!!!!!!!
management worked so hard for 10 hours this week!!!!
10 hours so you could come in and record!!!!!!!!!

I hate these blind corpo loving fags so much.
If management is incompetent it deserves to be abused. If you can't get shit done properly or manage to shuffle shit around you deserve to be fired.

Worst part is a lot of these 'think of the staff' comments are coming from japs, japs truly are the biggest boot lickers on the planet

>>90833301
four graduations in three months is negligible anon. send the next wave. accelerate.

>>90833516
AIIEEEEEE DON'T SAY THAT, THE DRONES WILL STOP MEMORYHOLING INA!

>>90833576
I don't remember if she's a citizen or not. I don't watch her.

>>90831368
why are holo sisters like this

>>90833626
Now that I think about it, it's very interesting they debuted 2 new EN gens in a row in such quick succession. Almost like they were expecting to patch a high turnover.

>>90833301
>you should just lie about the reason you're graduating so I can continue supporting an abusive system

>>90833301
>regardless of who is at fault
lol
insane

>I don’t watch her
Gee, you don’t say? That’s the cause of 99% of the outrage, mind you.

>>90831368
This just shows IRyS was dependent on hololive for her success and had to stay, meanwhile Fauna knew she was worth more than that and didn't have a reason to stay while getting shit on and rebuked by management if she could be successful on her own. Real fans would follow her.

>>90832979
Yes, she auditioned for it. Maybe they should have held auditions for management too because they were absolute incompetents. They literally did nothing with that project. She had to wait and wait and wait for a concert. Her songs weren’t even promoted. They almost ended her career with bullshit studio sessions (tearing up her throat with over-work) for songs they didn’t even care enough to tell people about. Things only got better once IRyS asserted herself more, to the point of pushing the other council members managers to get shit done for her genmates (Kronii talks about this during their first 3d together) If you want evidence that managers can be hell, look no further than IRyS 1.0. It’s a damn miracle IRyS is still around.

I love Hololive

>>90834011
I will follow her, Hololive can sink, fuck them

>>90833853
This is the true Holodrone mentality

>>90833075
>once fauna goes back to streaming once every 3 months as an indie like she did in holo kek
dumbass tourist

>>90834011
This is not at all close to reality. While the other girls moved a step up on the ladder of success, IRyS’ move was horizontal. I’ll leave it at that.

>>90832979
>that's kind of on her.
How exactly is it on her if she's prepared to do everything asked of her yet management can't sort shit out - as is their job
>>90834077
>tearing up her throat with over-work)
no anon! she signed up for it! she signed up for retarded managers who can't schedule multiple days to record and try to force 14 hours of takes in one day!!!
it's her fault anon!!!!

>>90833818
>quick succession
It's been a whole year between Advent and Justice.

>>90834011
>this just shows *headcanon*

>/HIRyS/ anons love Fauna and are sad about her graduation.
>/UUU/ anons love IRyS and will miss the Crats and IRyS
>Global niggers, numberfags and catalog keks have used IRyS to be put against Fauna the most. More than Kronii and Bae
At what point does it stop?

>>90834337
>>
Why must you lie?

>>90834462
Nope, do your reps.

>>90834434
Don’t forget that nijiniggers and liggers are acting as opportunists right now.

I like how Holodrones just assume Fauna's grievances are trivial because she didn't constantly bellyache about them on stream like other talents until she dropped the grad announcement. Curiously enough after that, suddenly all of Hololive couldn't stop lauding the staff.

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You wanna hear about bad management and not quitting?

>be kronii
>do not take shit from management
>literally command them what to do and not to do, treat them like the tools they are to do jobs you don't have time to do
>have nearly no issues with management
>management fuck it up?
>go karen mode
>fucking fix it, dumbfuck
>does it with JP management too
>somehow doesn't have issues with management
crazy, isn't it?
Force them to do their job by ordering them around and they do their job, let them do what they want when they want and they mentally wander and do fuck all.

>>90834525
Try having a brain in your skull before you post, that or become an hero.

>>90834434
But anon, she posted MEAT.
Ignore that Fauna doesn't care about other people eating meat in the first place.

>>90834352
>>90834077
I never said that she signed up for her management to be completely incompetent. I was replying to someone saying that she had no choice as to what generation she was in, when she specifically signed up for the Vsinger role. The management was completely retarded, but you guys are giving them a run for their money.

>>90834570
I await proof to the contrary of said triviality.

>>90833755
Anon, her mother and her grandparents are Japanese. She has both US and JP citizenships (technically illegal but practically no one cares unless you are retarded and tell immigration office)

>>90834631
>But anon, she posted MEAT.
>Ignore that Fauna doesn't care about other people eating meat in the first place
I'm entirely /ootl/ with this one, explain anon?
Why is someone posting meat an issue? and yeah ofc Fauna doesn't care if others eat meat, it's her choice & she's not a turbo faggy vegan who 24/7 spouts their views

>>90833818
>quick succession
Anon? it's been a year for both brances since they had a gen... that's the standard

>>90834389
not really headcanon, you just have to think about it

>>90834631
You have to be retarded to not think it was a jab at Fauna

>>90831670
/boot/licker

>>90834743
Because she posted a steak and a post about a video involving meat not too long after Fauna's announcement, which means she clearly hates here.

Each of the girls have their own goals in mind. Irys gets my respect because even when she was in hell, she pulled through. Theres no point comparing any of the girls because Irys' circumstance is different from Fauna's. They also have different tolerances on what "Bad management" is.

>>90834703
Why would bad management “be on her” if she signed up for the vsinger role?

>>90834851
>huge faggot (note: You) cannot see past his nose
>this means it was le jab

>>90834584
Suisei and Marine said it best
>DO NOT BE PASSIVE
I ain't gonnablame the talent, just say that they could have yelled a bit more, there's no perfect management, not even the one you hire youself as an indie.

>>90834704
How the fuck would we have it, retard?
You're the one making assumptions. You're the one that has to prove it.

>>90834895
>Because she posted a steak and a post about a video involving meat not too long after Fauna's announcement, which means she clearly hates here.
anon there's no fucking shot that people are actually saying that, right?
surely the fuck not????????

Don't use my oshi to shitpost, thanks.

>>90835082
That was likely why IRyS had to talk about it yesterday, because drama rats circled around that as if it were a slight.

>>90835071
NTA but so are you, but you don't want to believe other talents saying they didn't have to do shit they didn't want to, you just try to stick to your narrative and never let go, what you can do is wait till Lemonleaf debuts and she'll spill the beans, unless we have an Aqua situation where she just truly wanted to retire and be chill and that's it.

>>90835005
Exactly.
I wonder what the management structure is like for EN girls?
Talent > manager > upper EN manager? > Jp middle management > approved?

Because we all know Japofficeniggers are super lazy and would rather 'look busy' than be busy, gotta command them like a little insect army before they do anything

>>90834704
The proof is that she quit over it

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>>90831368
>lost her best friend coco
>lost her oshi aqua
>lost her partner sakamata
>cries her heart out in every single one of them
>abandoned by suisei for miko
>abandoned by marine for ao
>abandoned by her entire gen
>also her mom is in jail
>slowly going deaf when her entire selling point is her vocals
>still pushes out an album
>still does the legendary Unravel performance that could never be topped
>still thinks management is reasonable
but kanata is japanese so she automatically suffered less than green woman had to fly to japan once in a while, right?

>>90834864
Time to bake the satirical general.

>>90835082
optimistic one, aren't you

>>90831629
IRyS fought management for a 2.0 model redesign so OP is also ignoring the obvious fact that if things had turned out differently she might have left before the Fauna graduation. We don't know what is going on with Hololive but even the talents giving out management talking points did say they had their own disagreements so they understand why she made this decision.

>>90833301
I want to believe that statements like that are from paid Cover shills because it would be sad if real fans were defending management because they forced Chloe to make recordings while she was sick with COVID.

>>90835287
Yeah, one thing I learnt about nips is that westerners intimidate the fuck out of them and have louder voices, so they will rather postrate to you rather than anger you.
And at the end of the day, you can ask Sora to give you Yagoo's number, dude aproved many things management refused suck as gura's daki and Botan's 3D

>>90835082
Anon...check the archives for meatposting

>>90835274
I believe the girls that say it's not a big deal for them.
Just because different people are ok with different things doesn't mean that one side is trivial.

>she quit for petty reasons because...[no evidence, just whataboutism]

>>90835345
You can quit over stubbing your toe, or never quit despite breaking your entire leg several times. That all depends on your willingness versus the task, a critical detail missing here.

>>90835220
holy fuck I hate this fanbase so much.
What actual idiots have that thought train? I've worked with autistic kids, retarded adults before and they have more sense than that.
"VEGAN GIRL GRADUATED, OTHER GIRL POSTED A PIC OF HER NIGHT OUT, PIC HAD MEAT!!! OTHER GIRL HATE VEGAN GIRL!!!!!"

Like, what high level of social-maladroit do you have to be to think like that...
>>90835383
I honestly just expect better, I rarely come to /vt/ and I honestly just watch my Oshi stream when she has time and I have time, I catch up on vods and that's about it.
>>90835497
I actually don't want to, I really think it'll annoy me to see that much stupidity...

>>90835364
She has no chance of becoming anything outside of Holo. Fauna has.
When you have fewer options obviously you have to be willing to take on more hardships. Doesn't mean that's a good thing

>>90835005
Chloe wasn't passive and she blatantly said that she didn't want to go in for recording because she was sick as fuck and she wouldn't be able to sing well.

They forced her anyways

>>90835555
Based quads

>>90835555
uh oh, sapling melty, stinky!

>>90835555
Do you have proof to the contrary? I’m not insinuating she did, but you are outright claiming she didn’t.

>>90835615
>i hate this fanbase
Oh, glad you hate indieniggers anon, they were always a blight.

>>90835670
Then she wasn't active enough.

Holodrones turning on any Holo that leaves is pretty grim to watch.
And no one is even accusing them of being Nijisisters falseflagging, so one has to assume this is the default position of Holodrones.

>>90835670
past me the clip anon, that's a new one I heard because I've been busy that only heard the shitstorm happening at the fauna graduation

>>90835699
>30+ year old anon somehow doesn't understand the concept of burden of proof
Sasuga /vt/

>>90835615
>this fanbase
I highly doubt it was authentic to the real fanbase, anon. Opportunists are buzzing, mind you.

>>90835743
They were just specks of dust in the corner until aqua and ame. Now they're like pieces of shit that keeps farting making the whole room stink.

>>90835841
You’ve outright laid the claim to knowing what she meant. You are acting in a feverish outrage without knowing the details past the surface. Tell me where she said even a tenth of what has been claimed /here/ and across the rrat fens.
>inb4 muh management is enough

>>90835761
Good, keep thinking what you desire and never come back, sweetheart

>>90835820
https://www.youtube.com/live/ymTcSRsfkXI?si=F3OyiOkRx1xzPFac

There are no clips. Holodrones covered it up for ten months

>>90835743
Not exactly what I meant but man...I'm just astonished that people would schizopost that hard about someone posting their dinner...?
Why aren't the schizos pissed at Kiara for posting some shit about salami earings??
>>90835849
>Opportunists are buzzing
True, true, my mistake. The crazies will take any chance they can get and read into a single letter and extract a book from it.

>>90835761
>Holodrones
cuck lingo, go back to Twitch sis

I'm reminded of the time after Aqua and Ame's announcements, but before their final streams.
Feels almost identical, just with more faces slapped on images pushing the same idea that nobody goes through with after the members leave.

>>90831368
The funniest part of all this is seeing the holos all run damage control and trying to act like everything’s great and perfect.

>>90834938
I am BEGGING you to learn how to read, SEAchama. I never said anything about management being on her. The conversation was about IRyS not being allowed to choose her generation, when she literally chose what generation she signed up for.

>>90836026
>watch the whole fucking stream
Anon you're claiming something, now prove it, I ain't watching 2 hours of her talking like a retard
>Holodrones covered it up
seems weird because clippers LOVE that shit.

>>90835670
>>90835750
>>90835820
They didn't force her per se. As she put it, they kept asking her and pushing for it. That was bad, but it was still "just" pressuring, not forcing.
Right after that she said she realized that she should be more assertive, told them firmly the day after that she won't be doing it and they agreed to reschedule.
Not saying that the studio guys weren't in the wrong, but they would've been willing to adjust (as they did in day 2) if she was more forceful
>They suggested we at least try the recording and see how it goes, but I argued it was pointless. Using my voice for the recording would leave me unable to do anything else afterward. I strongly insisted it wasn’t feasible.
>Despite my protests, they continued pushing. I understood they had a schedule to keep, but I felt they weren’t considering my health or the quality of the work.
>I realized I need to be more assertive. This time, I was stronger than usual, but I still consider others’ feelings too much. I didn’t want to hurt anyone, but in the end, it didn’t benefit anyone.
>I told them the current situation wasn’t good for anyone. It would be better to record on another day when I was healthier to produce better results. They finally agreed to reschedule.

>>90836035
>Why aren't the schizos pissed at Kiara for posting some shit about salami earings??
They are, but they seethe at everything she does and nobody cares.

>>90835423
Anon, Cover 100% has shills on /vt/.
They were even peddling holo cards /here/ >>90720446 until they got exposed in other threads and quietly stfu.
As an anon who was here during Selen and the GURRAT, they're EXACTLY the same.
Always pretending not to know key details that go against management, blaming the talents and worshipping the corporation as an infallible, sacred entity.
Hololive is fucking vile.

>>90836159
>They didn't force her per se. As she put it, they kept asking her and pushing for it. That was bad, but it was still "just" pressuring, not forcing.
Yeah but it's a very different culture, their 'pressure' of "oh but we would have to do XYZ and move it to 5 months from now" is more or less saying "dont care, come in now"
It's just how nips be, passive in their words

>IRyS admits to constantly being awake at 5 AM playing gacha because she's lazy as fuck and would be a neet if the internet didn't exist to magically give money to lazy women
>had it worse than vegan woman who can't eat anything but rice or whatever and has to fly to japan and leave her cat behind for 2 months

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>>90836026
>Nothing happened
>It's a coverup!

>>90836159
So they didn't force her to do shit and that other anon is a lying ligger... tale old as time..

>>90832379
>doesn't remember Karla and Alice

>>90836159
And that's how the cycle continues. At least holos have enough weight behind them to do something about this bullshit without losing a job.

>>90836159
>They finally agreed to reschedule
this is another thing that nips seem terrified of doing, rescheduling...
"oh no the horror, we can't wrap this 16 hour recording session up in one day!"
or
"oh no the horror, i'll have to reschedule and my co-workers will view me as a failure!"
fucking slants, man.

>>90836218
You know that saying "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"?

I have a 4chan equivalent that I have stuck true by for over 15 years now

Never attribute to shilling that which can be adequately explained by fanboys.

>>90836326
Being vegan is Fauna's choice at the end of the day.
IRyS almost got her throat destroyed by Omega.

>>90836323
And then she found the cojones Marine and Suisei were talking about, nigger i'm all for raping management, specially kimomane, but these ain't children, even Miko can stand up for herself and she sounds like a retard IRL, no this ain't me saying sakamata should not quit, I respect her decision, but you faggots trying to turn everything into nijisanji 2.0 and then being debunked is pretty bad for your look

>>90836535
It isn't her choice she's been vegan so long she can't eat meat and is frail like a kitten. Imagine just shoving her and then she breaks her hip and can't get up and you rape her and keep her in a closet with a chair against the door. She'd be stuck in there, subsisting off of meals of leafy greens and beans you bring her. Imagine the braps.

>>90836535
>IRyS almost got her throat destroyed by Omega.
them/their cock was that big?

>>90836804
Die

>>90836560
real anon.
I don't want to blame management, it's not the talents fault they're useless but the talents should still 100% be like
"Listen here slant, do your fucking job or you're getting replaced"
Like we know for a fact specific girls have just rotated their managers out and out and out, hasn't Gura done that shit? She has the power and weight of her huge channel to just say "Nah cunt fuck you, do your job properly, sort it or get sacked"
all the other girls can do more or less the same, if their manager (tool) isn't working, take that shit back to the store and get a replacement.

anyway anons im snooze it's 2am and i've ranted and been angry enough!
goodnight, love ya oshis brush ya hair

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>>90831368
>who had it worse
Yeah, but in 2021 things were different: you were either a corpo or a nobody. Today Doki, Mint, Sakuna and Dooby proved that you don't need to suck up to management hoping for things to become better someday

>>90836159
>I was wondering if it was okay, but then I coughed.
>20:07 I thought it had decreased just a little, but the next day my coughing increased again for some reason, and I thought, “That's not right, but it decreased a little today.
>20:15 I was coughing a lot, and now I'm still coughing, but I have a stuffy nose, a coughing fit, and a cough
>20:23 I'm coughing lots now because I have an intense coughing fit.
>20:34 I'm still coughing because I feel like I'm drowning and I'm choking and coughing, basically.
>20:42 I've recovered to the point where I don't cough if I can't have a single breath >20:48 I've been coughing 24 hours a day except when I'm sleeping. "I can't do this anymore,” and then I thought, “Well, maybe this is it.
>21:11 I thought, “This is probably bad,” but I had to go to the recording studio. I had to go to the recording session . So I had to go to the recording session
>21:22 And it was really, really hard for me, but I had to go...
> 21:28 I had to take two songs, and I didn't even know if I could take two songs. But we were talking about how we don't even know how to play that one song, so we're going to try it anyway.
> 21:41: I was told to do it, so I did it, but I was coughing so hard, it was like...
>21:57: I heard that people are allowed to work from about 10 days after the virus is gone. I'm not sure if it's safe or not, since it's the 11th day of the corona.
>22:11 : I was doing it with a cough that wouldn't stop forever, and I didn't feel nauseous at the time. I was coughing a lot, but I was coughing so much that I was coughing when I sang. I was really nauseous when I was coughing.
> 22:33: I told him I was going to throw up and he said let's take a break and I was like, “I don't think so, I'm going to throw up. I'm going to take a break, and I'm going to throw up, and then I'm going to take another"
> 22:44: "I'm sorry, but there's nothing I can do about it".
>22:51: And then I took it, and then I took it again, and then I took it again, and then I took it again, but honestly, those two songs. The quality of the song is like a scrub, and her voice is too sharp! I can't even get a note roll and I'm done with it.
>23:12 :I'm just so sick of it... I really don't know what's wrong with it. I didn't want to put this stuff out there, but I had no choice, so I did it.
>23:23 :I'm sorry, but after it's over, there's just so much talking... I don't know why there was so much rattling and glaring.
>23:35 :I was told i had to record it the next day. I told him I'm sorry but I can't do it. I'm sorry, but I can't.

Why do you lie?

>>90836905
I remember that Lamy's first manager was so bad that i don't remember who said ''Yo, can this fucko get fired? he's annoying Lamy'', it was eitehr towa or Lamy herself, managers can be kicked in the nut and there's proven record of it, good night anon

>>90834155
you are following a person who isn't your friend.

>>90837126
>>"If you don't get it right, let's just do it again"... no, it doesn't make sense.
>25:20:I'm going to use my throat and use my throat and use my throat and use my throat and use my throat and use my throat and use my throat and use my throat and use my throat and use my throat and sing.
>25:27: I'm not sure what it is, but I have to do something else, so when I'm doing that other thing, I lose my voice.
>25:34: I asked her if it's okay if I lose my voice during that other thing, but she said no, but she said it's okay if I lose my voice during that other thing.
>25:41: I know, I know, but I've been told I just can't help it, and I'm not sure if that's even possible.
>25:51: I'm saying that she's really saying that... I was shocked because I didn't understand what she meant, but of course, that's the premise.
> 26:07: I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have a schedule that keeps you in poor shape, of course I can understand that you're scheduling your work and I understand that you're trying to get people to listen to you.
> But if you really want to do what you want to do, if that's what you're aiming for, it's definitely not a good time to do it.
>26:28: I'm not sure, but I don't think the people who are supporting me feel good about it, so I don't think it's a good idea.
>26:35: I told her I couldn't do it, but she said she couldn't help it.
>26:44: I was like, “Are you serious?” But I still think it's a little bit too much. I think it's really important to take care of your mental health.
> 26:57: I'm really hoping you'll hold on to it, at least as a product... but the quality is so shitty.
>27:06: I really didn't want to do the take, and then after that, I was like, “Oh, my God, I'm going to have to do the take".
> 27:13: I was like, “No, this can't be happening." I mean, there were two mistakes on the management's side, and I was like, “Oh, no, that can't be right." I was like, “Oh my God, that's not possible.
> 27:36: I was really upset and depressed, and I went home and cried. I know it's like, “Don't cry, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry.
> 27:51:But I was so depressed.
> 27:56: I thought I had to say it more strongly, but this time it didn't matter what I said.
> 28:13: I'm not sure if it's because I'm not feeling well. I'm sorry, but I just can't help it if I'm sick.
> 28:27: I think it's especially true for Corona, but it doesn't matter to Mane-chan, who's willing to take on the challenge.
>28:39 And when they use such strong language, you know they want you to do it, you know, so you have to be careful.
>28:57: I'm not sure if it's too much trouble or not.
>29:10: I knew that if I went home feeling like this, it would probably not be the best performance.
> 29:16: I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to give the best performance if I go back and do it like this, but I don't have a throat voice, and I didn't have any voice at all.
> 29:24: I don't know what to say, but I'm going to say this.... I thought it was impossible, and I didn't care if he got mad at me or not.
> 29:35: I just wanted to say I'm sorry to you guys

No really though, why lie to protect management?

>>90833301
Black company

>>90837126
Black company

>>90837335
>>90837364
>passfags in charge of not shitting up the thread

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>>90837426
Black company

>>90837426
Kek I swear to god that is not me.
But even for pass users, it's 30 seconds, no?
In before
>multiple phones

>>90837126
Where was the lie? He pretty much copy pasted the same thing except the fluff
Where did she say they forced her there?

>>90837590
I know, it was still funny timing. Both of you are fags, though.

>>90837540
High five man.
>>90837723
Pointing out black behavior is what's needed for the betterment of the company. My oshi is still inside, I don't want her to leave because of retarded management.

>>90837723
Stop sucking corpo cock. This is /vt/, not /corpo/

>>90836026
I-Indiebros? I thought HoloNDA blew their heads up if they badmouthed the company? How is the stinky orca badmouthing the company in such great detail?

>>90837656
>I HAD to go in for recording
> I'm not sure if it's because I'm not feeling well. I'm sorry, but I just can't help it if I'm sick.
>I told her I couldn't do it, but she said she couldn't help it.
>I was like, “Are you serious?” But I still think it's a little bit too much. I think it's really important to take care of your mental health
> I think it's especially true for Corona, but it doesn't matter to Mane-chan, who's willing to take on the challenge.
>And when they use such strong language, you know they want you to do it, you know, so you have to be careful.

Where does it imply she has a choice? She directly said she didn't want to but was forced to and that what she said didn't matter

>>90831368
I'll never forget the day she cried on stream because of omegatroon, that stupid troon was the worst thing to ever happen to Hololive

>>90837856
NTA, but she will leave if she's a rug, no questions asked, I read the whole sakamate thing, it's bad and IDK where >>90836159
goes in on the timeline, it just showed me that sakamata was spineless, no it's not her fault being passive and management is shit, I agree about that and some changes have to be made, but let's be honest, most people here want to kill Hololive, not Cover, Hololive as a whole for a quick laugh

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>>90831368
Ina always cared
fauna can fuck right off

>>90835699
>>90835979
NTA but there have been complaints for a while. >>90740788

>>90837656
I'm assuming this is some deepl shit, but at least going by the translation
>>23:35 :I was told i had to record it the next day. I told him I'm sorry but I can't do it. I'm sorry, but I can't.
>>26:35: I told her I couldn't do it, but she said she couldn't help it.
She was forced

How the fuck do you even do deepL for Japanese streams anyway? Anyone want to give me a QRD? Cause this is shockingly good compared to Youtube's live translation

>>90838109
That's why she never does anything.

>>90837126
NTA, but where did you get this from? A nip already translated it and spread it around (which was likely what the other guy took).
His and your translations don't line up. One of you must be making things up or twisting the translation and I'm not sure which
Reference: >>90801877

>>90838159
Get the YouTube transcript then run it through DeepL

>>90838069
>most people here want to kill Hololive, not Cover, Hololive as a whole for a quick laugh
Fair. I hope things will be for the better.

>>90837154
You think a Japanese corpo is your friend

>>90838266
I did not realize that youtube's transcript was that good and it was just their translation that sucked

i think there's a case study to be found here related to stockholm syndrome in holo fanatics

>>90832071
I still go into work cause it pays the bills. What do you do, anon, that you can just sit on here all day and bait? Cut costs by eating pagpag?

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>>90831368
>Survived the legendary 2020 - early 2021 shitshow
>Had a miserable fucking 2023
>Projects cancelled and delayed left right and center
>Had to be the babysitter of Myth
>Thought about quitting
>Snapped out of that funk, hunkered down and powered through her setbacks
I wish the Saplings had a stronger Oshi. I do.

>>90838266
>Not only YT transcript but also DeepL something serious
Are you serious?

>>90838239

>>90700087

This thread. Some guy ran it through a translator and in the same thread, a Japanese anon basically said the translation was mostly accurate. She did show up to record while she had Corona and she said she didn't have a choice is the point

>>90838486
There is "they are very insistent and I don't have it in me to protest" kind of forced and then there is "there is a gun aimed at my head" kind of forced. It was the former according to her.

>>90835364
didn't Kanata use to eat literal grass before joining holo? she doesn't want to be a hobo again I guess

>>90838664
She knows she can leave and make bank, but she has limited time with her hearing thanks to her illness and the only ones in the industry able to do big scale stuff are Hololive and NIjisanji, she's on a race against time with her own body

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>>90837286
Chloe was sick.
Chloe was unable to sing well for Cover.
Chloe is dead.

Glory to Hololive.
Amen.

>>90838806
Nijisanji forced Kunai to pretend she had a father, despite hers having passed:
https://clips.twitch.tv/AgreeableCredulousFriseeCurseLit-Wj0YGMMZeQLR4pgV

>>90838640
>I didn't want to release such poor quality recordings but I had no choice

If someone with Corona is saying that they're sick and can't go in for recording, tell them to stay the fuck home so they can get better and don't infect anyone else. It's really that simple

>>90838475
Why would I want Fauna to be "stronger" as in make it through more shit?
Kiara has bitched far more than Fauna about management but she just takes it.
Fauna doesn't want to offload that onto the fans but is not willing to suffer more than she needs to either. I respect that.

>>90838884
Nijisanji sucks but you're not deflecting away from Hololive into them here, pal. That trick could have worked 2 months ago, it's not gonna work now.

>>90838935
And that's why you're going to be exiled out of the Holo-garden

>>90839008
Hey, if the guy is gonna shitpost with fbk then i'm allowed to retaliate with my own shit (even tho it's true), suck it up chump.

>>90838891
Unqualified retards exist and no amount of help from the company will help with that if you can't take the first step yourself like other members have and make the problem known.

>>90838806
*spits on the traitorous fox*
LIAR

>>90838935
>Kiara has bitched far more than Fauna about management but she just takes it.
You trying to catch a fight with the KFP, nigga? you either don't know shit or are just a shit stirrer

>>90838935
This. If anything comes out of Fauna's sacrifice, she has done more than what Kiara has done her whole Holocareer.

>>90838935
Yeah because Kiara knows she'll go into 0 relevancy if she leaves the garden lol

>>90831368
Fauna couldn't stand even 1% of the suffering of IRyS, or Kronii, even though a part of the suffering of Kronii was self-inflicted, IRyS literally did nothing wrong and they mistreated her like in horrible ways, to this day she still has damage that cannot be repaired unless she goes to surgery

>>90838891
Black company

>>90839210
Holodrones don't want to listen. You can even see it in this thread. They'd rather hide the truth, distort the truth and deflect. Even shit on talents who tell the truth about management

>>90833301

>>90839497
Fauna will go indie and say that management forced her to dance with a broken leg and you'd still call her lazy

>>90831767
>NUUUU. DON'T INSULT THE HONOR OF HOLOLIVE. TAKE THIS DOWN AND APOLOGIZE TO STAFF

>>90840284
She should've grown a ball and tell them to fuck off like other Holos, then

>>90840491
Like Chloe did and got forced to anyways?

This is a perfect example why a female dominant work space will never end up well in the long run.

>>90831368
BItchRyS should treat herself to a BIG CHUNK OF MEAT, good job girl

>>90840578
Seethe Homobeggar

>>90840549
Clearly, Chloe didn't if they got her to do it anyway. There's no shock collar to truly force her.

>>90840647
Then she goes the way of Vesper and gets suspended for disobeying

>>90840733
>He compares chloe to fucking Vesper
laugh at this madafuka

>>90831368
Sana saved her ass.

>>90840733
Which is why we have a dozen members get suspended all the time.
Oh, wait, they don't. They throw their weight around and get what they want because they are the ones making money.

>>90840647
>Clearly, Chloe didn't if they got her to do it anyway
Holy shit, you're retarded

>>90840771
>She should put her foot down
>She did and it didn't matter? She should have done it harder
>Someone else did and they got suspended from work? Well she's not that guy

How many hoops?

>>90838109
Ina was considering graduation in 2022 so why even shitpost with someone that almost made the same decision 2 years ago? We don't know all the reasons that Fauna is leaving but she had numerous issues with her 3D showcase and the entire work visa situation with Ina proves that management is still making garbage decisions even in 2024.

>>90840851
>says the retard who thinks they can fire her for not doing a recording
ligger, please...

>>90840857
Vesper got suspended for being a fucking retard

>homofags unironically using Vesper of all people to attack Hololive
Wew lad

>>90832636
The Cicero of Hololive

>>90840857
hoops? the ones you're creating? if you wanna compare someone like sakamate with Mr. Yabadabadoo with a monster like chloe, then you're clearly a retard, the entirerity of Holostars could be axed and no one would care, so thanks for creating more hoops anon.

>>90831368
God I love how blatant covers shills are. I really hope you're at least getting paid for this, OP.

>>90840876
We also had enough of a shitshow with Kronii this year, not that long before Ina's thing.
Hololive management has never stopped being varying levels of shit. Some like Towa are willing to fight and some like Fauna know they have better things to do than endure it.

>>90841056
>newfag can't spot bait
go back to X nigga

>>90840647
There's no shock collar, but there are some stress points that management must have said to Chloe to coerce her into recording while sick in the first place.
Most likely she was talking about voice acting in the HoloWitches project, where her delay would put the whole production behind, since animators have to work bases on her voicelines when they're doing the non-keyframe mouth animations. It's easy to see why management preferred to have the voicelines ASAP and they must have said so to Chloe, who agreed at the end.
Obviously management should have just taken the hard path and delay the schedule immediately when seeing Chloe's condition, but I will say that she could have fought for herself as well harder, since she was not forced at the end to deliver the voicelines on time. A really bad company would have not accepted the delay whatsoever.

>>90831368
>members who had it worse than Fauna and didn't quit because they love their fans and Hololive
kuro corp sure knows how to make members stay

>>90841308
>not-mysta has a company
sounds retarded, is it full indo?

>>90831368
IRyS IS, WAS and shall ALWAYS be the cutest.

>>90841469
Amen.

Pretty wild to see Vesper - who talked about how he can just fuck off and go cycling for a month if he feels disatisfied - used as an example of a sensible person who got suspended for no reason.

>>90841387
its about as retarded and as indonesian as 90% of the holofags fanbase

>>90831670
have you ever worked a real job for one day in your life?

>>90831368
I trust fauna

>>90842045
You lost, NDFkun

>>90840910
He actually got suspended over a fight with management. So clearly, people aren't allowed to just "put their foot down" against management

>>90842802
There are different ways to handle that. Vesper is not a person I'd trust to do it correctly without either hurling insults or fists. The fact that it never happened to any holo says enough.

>>90841622
He said he saved up his vacation days for years to be able to do that in his last job, bootlicker kun

>Homos also hate management
>OMG, we love homos now

>>90843202
This but unironically

>>90843056
He quit out of the blue, that wasn't a vacation

>>90843202
They aren’t slick when they try this shit.

>>90831459
the best part is there is no drama
its all schizo ramblings on /vt/ lol

>>90843371
>Quits his job
>Goes on a month long biking trip across the US
>Comes back home
>Gets his job back because he was too valuable

And I'm supposed to pretend that he's a retard?

Suffering more isn't an achievement.

>>90843202
Unicorns like to complain that Holostars are given preferential treatment so doesn't that mean that management not giving a shit when they have problems be an even bigger issue on the the Hololive side? If management likes the guys but they still lie to them wouldn't it be even worse for the girls?

>>90843653
Don't let holobronies hear this

>>90834434
>Global niggers, numberfags and catalog keks
don't forget krokeks and brats. they hate non homocollabers

>>90843896
Homobeggar cope

>>90843896
Their narrative fell apart when all the homos complained about shit management

>>90833301
Holy fuck, Covid is not and never was real. FUCK OFF. It is nearly 2025 holy shit.

>>90844295
so the world economy crippled itself for some imaginary thing?

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>>90843537

>>90844504
>l*ddit
Go back

>>90844392
Ofcourse anon. it's management's fault too.

>>90844572
>It's /vt/ ramblings! No drama anywhere els--ACK ACK

>>90844392
The important people didn't have their finances crippled. That was only for the proles. The tests were inaccurate, the injections were harmful. It was a complete fucking farce. How do people not see this by now?

>>90844773
>important people didn't have their finances crippled
the rich and powerful have never been affected by anything. that's the benefit of being rich and powerful. doesn't mean that the world economy didn't get crippled, they just fired the proles

>>90844504
That is the most basic conclusion someone could make

>>90844773
Schizo

>>90833581
Funniest part is JP decided to wake up and shit on Hololive. EN Holodrones are deflecting and shitting on Fauna

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>>90831459
>corposucker is an ESL

>>90839113
>Unironically admitting to deflecting

10 hours bootlicking ASMR.

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>>90831441
We're all family here! Look at your bonus!

>>90844504
That take should be obvious

>>90832293
>i believe her what ever the fuck Fauna, Bae, Kronii, Karla say
what's going on with Kronii and Bae?

>>90831368
>IRyS situation getting better means Fauna's couldn't get worse
ogey

>>90845116
>>90846170
puhreez undahstan, they can't just have people saying things that might upset others

>>90846753
They have to consider staff's feelings after all

>>90831629
yes the first 2 are great, whenever someone is down it's the hottest

>>90832293
>ESL is also a bootlicker

So Bae is HoloEN's Millie, does that make IRyS HoloEN's Enna?

>>90831441
This is the same with almost everyone. Anon just hasn't accepted it yet. If you wanna commission or pay for something it's obvious that you wanna get it for what it's worth or more.

>>90847163
Ok, Fubuki

>NijiEN fans tried to defend shitty management and very obviously forced "cooperation" from the remaining talents over very short sighted decisions - met with universal loathing for kuro-sanji while the talents that escaped saw massive growth
>HoloEN fans try to defend shitty management and very obviously forced "cooperation" from the remaining talents over very short sighted decisions - met with universal praise for kuro-ver while the talents that escaped saw minimal growth

What is the point of licking shoe polish in either of these scenarios?

>>90848008
who knew holodrones were a much more hardcore cult than niji. Strange times.

>>90848207
Anyone paying attention to how they pretend Sana didn't exist or how the amount of antis Kson got

>>90835423
>I want to believe that statements like that are from paid Cover shills

There is no difference between a Holodrone and a paid shill

>>90838433
It's happened multiple times. Some people are so loyal to a brand that they ignore everything fucked up they've done or make excuses for them

Gura had it worse and she's still there, for now. Management shut down pretty much all her projects and ideas. They never released her 2nd original song either.

>>90849416
She hasn't streamed in months and is blatantly on the way out

>>90836326
Has it ever occurred to people that Irys is the lazy bitch and Fauna is overworked?

>>90849416
>Gura had it worse and she's still there
yes because being teased one time in front of Council and shitting away 50k because you trust your "other help" over actually being active in your own cover song is SOOOOOOOOOO damning

>>90850061
The preemptive "Gura is a lazy bitch" posts. She's so out

>>90850002
How is overwork real
If you want less work you could always just fucking ask

>>90844392
Chloe was so lazy, she got the world to believe in a fake pandemic just so she wouldn't work

I await Gura's revolution

>>90834584
yup she literally said it herself during her whole KroMa bullying issue.

Talents are above most managers, all you really have to do is directly call them out on their shit, and they'll bend the knee.

Not having A-Chan probably really hurt for the more non-confrontational members.

Fauna probably had enough of their BS but didn't confront nor escalate it, so she just chose to leave.

>>90851102
It doesn't matter how confrontational they are. Managers can force the talents to do whatever they want unless you're arguing that Chloe lied about getting forced to record while sick

>>90831441
How long before people realize that Hololive is the equivalent to Vtuber Disney?

>>90833006
>In two months
That shit took two DAYS to happen lmao

>>90851692
>Fauna is bad! Management is good! Can I have my money now, Yagoo?

>>90851102
Kronii's streams are as exciting as watching paint dry; she doesn't have problems with management because she knows she can't do better on her own.

In fact, that's kind of a running theme: the people happiest with management are either idols who went nowhere before Hololive, or people who would be basically nothing without the brand.

The former are fine, since they get to be idols, and they tend to be pretty good at it. The latter, like Kronii, can pound sand.

>>90835615
>holy fuck I hate this fanbase so much.
They're not the fans.
It's mostly tourists and shitstains like bvtm who just like riling people up and harassing them for their own content/money.
If nobody bites, they samefag so that it looks like people are fighting.
The JPs are even worse when it comes to this shit.

>>90836905
>"Listen here slant, do your fucking job or you're getting replaced"
This isn't vshojo. They don't have the power to replace managers.

>>90848207
OP is a fag. Nuance? Where we're going, we don't need nuance. It's all corporate simps vs. based indies REEEEEEE.

But seriously, what color shoe polish are we talking here? Cherry red? Because that shit's toxic AF. Like, more toxic than Cover forcing Kiara to shill shitty energy drinks. At least the Nijisanji bootlickers got something out of it, right? Some lukewarm copium about "muh growth." Holobronies got jack shit. They're stuck with Yagoo's dick down their throats and a stale meme.

>>90848433
>how they pretend Sana didn't exist
Sana will literally block or ban you if you even approach her with anything resembling Sana or hololive in your name or avatar.

>>90852758
She's just being a Kamiya about it.

>>90852758
Watch her without obsessing over her being Sana then

>>90852596
>nuance
>“all corpos bad” by the way
/lig/ger delusion at it’s finest

>>90852990
That's what I'm saying, anon.
She doesn't care about being memoryholed and seems to prefer it for her own privacy.
Anyone using her as an example is clearly someone arguing in bad faith.

>>90853025
How does that change the board calling her a lazy whore and ungrateful bitch for graduating?

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>>90849488
I felt it would be easier to explain why she won't leave with a picture instead of explaining. Also, last time they deployed the Gura her numbers were pretty crazy for someone that's functionally more of a mascot than a talent at this point. That makes her like a tactical weapon to use against other corpos. Better to have a Gura and not need it than need a Gura and not have it.

>>90853172
because retards on the catalog aren't fans. They don't watch streams, or even clips. They oshi the board rather than any streamer.

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You aren't forgiven yet IRyS.

>>90835629
>Fauna has
fucking kek.

>>90853312
That's why EN dies if she leaves

>>90841163
Chloe GTFO'd from a "ghost", it wouldn't be out of character for her to fold to some managers.

although I hope those managers who tried to force her, got fired. what happened to her pretty normal for a JP corp which is sad.

>>90842650
>NDF
holy mother of boogeyman. the holobronies worst nightmare lmao

>>90842802
suspension probably warrants decision from upper management, so he probably was being purposely difficult or did something stupid like cuss someone out and insult their dead grandma.

>>90831441
Just cause you're a loser with a bad job doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>90831595
She only got in because of "Omegay" period. One of the few good things that came out of it.

>>90851470
It already is

>>90853312
I legit think they're paying her extra to stay desu

>>90854889
>this reaction
Kek, so he was right

>>90831368

>>90858826
I think she's the next affiliate out

>>90836326
So I wondered why is there no vegan food in Japan despite Japanese Buddhism is Mahayana Buddhism. Apparently, instead of strict a vegan diet, only four legged animals are off limit. I swear all religions in Nip-land are just for cosplaying purpose.

Irys is a salient reminder that no matter how much they say 'It's ok' and push through if they want, that management is trash and will always fuck over the talent if it makes them more money or saves them more money.
Add in that once the talent commits, the first thing that instantly gets fucked over is streams really makes it suck for viewers. FWMC are basically on a stream limiter because they fucked their voices up from taking on too kuch work to the point that their voices are giving out during recordings causing stuff to get pushed back. They tild a story that they lost their voice mid-recording recently and couldn't finish the job, and then come to every stream saying that they 'promised mane-chan they wouldn't yell like the usually do' during streams and scold each other any time the other gets excited (presumably because they will get in trouble). Management doesn't care about streams, the biggest and most direct interaction we as fans get with the talent.

>>90862538
It's okay because reddit will buy the merch anyway, so the managers are correct.

>>90861792
The prevailing Buddhist sect in Japan is often known as "the Litheranism of the East" because they basically distilled all the efficacious ritual and praxis from Buddhism and reduced it to a sola fide.

>>90863332
Says a person who knows nothing about Nichren Bhuddism

>>90863464
Good thing I was referring to Shinshu Buddhism.

>>90834584
>be Kronii
>have hours of public and member streams crying about management

>>90864467
Complaining and venting is a natural way to destress. Nothing wrong with that.
Perhaps Fauna could’ve complained more and her situation would’ve gotten better and / or she could've been able to deal with it, like Kronii’s and Kronii are. Bottling things up is never a healthy thing to do

>>90864467
And yet she's still there, whereas Ceres "never complains about management" fauna is quitting