>barges into her best friend's fluffy romance story>fucks her best friend's crush>pisses off the whole internet>singlehandedly turns the manga from 9 to 6 on mangadex>doesn't leave, actually stays and doubles down/a/yami.
Let me guess, female author?
who are you quoting?
>>272423363>female authorNope, just and enlightened gentleman like me
>>272423363Nope, Maruto Fumiaki of White Album 2 fame so this outcome shouldn't be shocking to anyone.
>>272423363The most based man alive.
>>272423338Let's be real, this manga would've gone completely unnoticed if not for Yami.
>>272423956On /a/, at any rate.
>>272423999I can't believe it had a high rating anywhere being that much of a nothingburger before the twist.
>>272424088Yom is popular with romcomfags.
>>272423956Yeah, cause Hikari is fucking basic and kinda annoying even for a romance fMC. Who would give a shit about her
>>272424163I don't mind Hikari but when it was just about her, the manga was nothing more than a classic set of tropes and constant >next time I will confess for sure
>>272424193The people who read it for the "fluff" have most likely dropped it
>>272423956It *was* popular with the "nothing happens other than some mildly amusing teen love situations" crowd.
>>272424239The rageposting is still simmering on Dex, although Maruto seems bent on driving away more with every chapter.
>>272424163Hikari is actually a self-centered character if you re-read the manga knowing the twist. All of her friends were cheering for her and her "relationship", but she apparently never once asked about Ayami's bf, which would have brought the truth to light immediately. In fact, she doesn't really seem to have any consideration for those around her at all.She doesn't seem to know much about Yuu after they entered high school, despite living right next to him. We aren't even given a satisfactory answer for why she likes him now, besides a vague "I started seeing him as a man". Hint: he stopped simping over her after he got a life of his own, and that seeming indifference attracted her to him.Compare her to Yami, who more than likely broke up with Yuu for Hikari's sake, and Hikari doesn't measure up very favorably. I think Maruto is making a commentary on the airheadedness of lovecom heroines here.
>>272424380>before ch. 21God I love this sooo much!!! This is so cute and touching! Love the way this manga is going...>ch. 25Reeee the writing is shit, pacing is godawful, what do you mean 90 pages in 8 months, this is a total disrespect towards the readers
>>272424380On the other hand, I think the rating didn't drop as much this time, so maybe the fluffreader burnoff is about done.
>>272424365The same people who read 800 chapters of shit like Komi-san and post "Just get married already XD" on chapter 678.
>>272423338>Japs REFUSE to let the cheerful blonde CF be happy, even in a story about one>once again shill the dark haired cold Jap girlI swear it's like it's required by fucking law over there or something
>>272424581The dark haired cold Jap girl can't make it without the MC. The cheerful blonde CF can. You should see being a losing heroine as a sign of strength.
>>272424402The story could go quite a few interesting routes from where it is now. For example:Having Hikari turn into what Yami was going to become while Yami becomes what Hikari used to be before she witnessed the kiss (and then reverse it again later). But it might just turn into more of a tragic love story with lots of conflict and tears
>>272424581And that's based af.
I've heard the Saekano movie crammed too many volumes into its runtime, but is the anime okay?
>>272424402yuu's arc literally being about having sex and getting a clue gets me every time
>>272424713Season 1 is okay, season 2 suffered from the same issue.
>>272424402If there's an intentional meta commentary in this, (not convinced yet) I think it's more about the protagonist-centered way things are written. The twist is basically Hikari and the reader both finding out that the supporting cast doesn't orbit her, that her arc isn't primary in other people's lives.
>>272424847Yeah, I agree with that.
>>272424581himegasaki absorbed their collective power
>>272424771Thanks
Is this the Yomu slop?
>>272424581
Since we haven't stopped discussing this FOR 3 DAYS ALREADY, please also reconsider reading this. While it kinda lose steam at the end, the cuckoldry is still the same but with the genders swapped (and the whoring out subplot removed, of course)
>>272425725i liked nijiiro days but never got around to reading any of their other stuff, hows it compare?
>>272423338>>272423363>White Album 2>SaekanoIt's funny how people STILL give the author a chance after his previous works. They know they are in for ragebait and they dive in anyway.
>>272423338purityfags can't stop losing
>>272425806Oh yeah, why would I ever give another chance to the author of the best romance work of this industry.
>>272425880Actually, we won. Ayami was a virgin and she and Yuu are each other's only experience. Hikari is going to try and slut it up with someone else's man, but hopefully he rebuffs her and marries the love of his life.
>>2724259143/10 got me to reply
>>272425880>Yuu can't get hard without a genuine emotional connectionpurityfags won.
When I said flashbacks of how Hikari befriended Aya could help her character by showcasing her supposed charisma, I was thinking of how Shoko from Valvrave was everything Mikono from Evol SHOULD'VE been to actually deserve holding the power of "connecting".But now that I think some more, the Valvrape comparison works WAY better than I realized:>alpha childhood friend>beta boy with inferiority complex she secretly likes>dark-haired new girl swoops in and wins the erection, burdening him with secrets that strain his bond with his waifuNo wonder /a/ is eating this shit up.>>272425652I now remember I downloaded this but still haven't gotten around to it.
>>272425806>drama = ragebaitdamnyou are retarded
>>272425652Is this a real scene? Online clip?
>>272423338Yami is the Kazusa of this story. She'll win.
>>272426445It's complicated by "Setsuna" being the boy's first choice this time, which might give Hikari an advantage if the "can't get over first love" pattern holds.
>>272423338Please introduce a 3rd girl lmao I want to see chaos
>>272426571Two are more than enough for drama to unfold.
>>272426525He's also not a compulsive fixer like Haruki (that we know of), so the delinquent appeal might not hit the same.
>>272426571>Hikari>YamiKinda hard to introduce a 3rd one unless you want to break the obvious theme
>>272426445>>272426525>>272426645You are missing the point. Haruki + Kazusa worked because they had an incredible chemistry, clearly enjoying each other's company so much that they could forget about everything else.With Yuu it's hard to tell who he even has a better chemistry with from what we've seen so far.
>>272426731If we're talking theme only than YuuHi / Sunset is an obvious outcome.
I think what people dislike is the tonal whiplash between the early and current chapters. It was a very straightforward fluffy manga and didn't hint at anything else.The author could easily just turn it into a full comedy, with Hikari imagining non-existing scenarios between MC and Yami and being pissed off/depressed because of it
>>272426743Exactly, thank you. Although we can glean that meeting Yami matured him enough to finally get Hikari's attention without trying, which suggests advantage: Yami.>>272426775They already used up that pun though.
>>272426931>They already used up that pun though.I know, all I'm saying is I don't think there are any words that Yuu and Yami names could form together.
>>272426960Oh ok, I thought you were suggesting names for a third girl.
>>272423338>first she was Matsushita>now she is Sudou>inb4 Yuu didn't find out she was actually Hikari's friend because of the last name changeNot a big reveal, but a nice detail>>272426731We need a second male character now, possibly for Hikari's confort. I don't know if Yuu means anything in particular in japanese (or maybe his last name); if that's the case next dude shall have it's opposite name>>272426775>>272426931Ah shit, when did that happen?
>>272427116>inb4 Yuu didn't find out she was actually Hikari's friend because of the last name changeI think the reason is simpler - Hikari calls her Aya-chan all the time, there's no way he would even understand it's the same person even if she mentioned it.Same with Yami not realizing who Hikari's CF is - the former calls him Yuu, the latter calls him Ta-kun.
>>272427116>Ah shit, when did that happen?Chapter 11
>>272423338> Fans doesn't like NTR twist.> Lets make dozen of chapters to portray the other girl as an victim so people will root for her. What is up author thinking they can make fans like anything as long as they shove it hard enough!
Wasn't there another girl that Yuu liked and wanted to enter same high school as her!
>>272427461>>272427478go back to dex
>>272423338If she were attractive I wouldn't mind but goddamn she is much uglier than Hikaru. Like the only reason this hack got away with it in Saekano and WA2 is because Yukino and what's her name were still attractive. This girl is just a down grade as a main heroine. If people are finally raging it's because this girl is just shit.
>>272427461The problem is those readers, not authors. If they refuse to see what he is showing and don't want to know anything about the new character, clearly it's not the author's fault, it's just that those people only want the most basic fluff and nothing else.
>>272426869That and Saekano and WA2 didn't lie to you who the main heroine was. Like really? Everyone was on the Hikari train Mr author.
>>272423338>barges into her best friend's fluffy romance storyIsn’t it actually the other way around?
>>272427571>>272427539No. The viewpoint character was Hikari and this one already broke up with the boy. This is why most authors do the switchers in one or two chapters because they don't want us to get too attached to the first decoy viewpoint character. Old writing conventions exist for a reason. Sorry Maruto went full retard this time.
>>272423338I hope this gets axed soon so you can go back to drawing hosiery TBDESU
G?
This is a very different kind of rage bait from the authors previous works and that's why it works well in making you rage and even drop it.Like both WA2 and Saekano both made it clear what kind of girl the boy preferred from the beginning even if the other girl could provide him some happiness. We also saw the story from the viewpoint of the guy and so his POV was the one we sympathized with. Here the POV was Hikari at first before switching to other girl but Hikari was the POV for most if not all of volume 1. And is even the cover girl for it. Usually when you do a switcheroo the initial POV lasts for just the prologue. Not entire volumes worth of story.
>>272428364None of the listed are "rage bait".
>>272426362Who cares? It leads to the same outcome anyways, getting frustrated and wasting your time.
>>272428364WA2 didn't make it clear who Haruki preferred until he started dating Setsuna and then confessed to the reader that he only had eyes for Kazusa. Sure, there were hints in the beginning, but it wasn't "clear".
>>272428765I agree with your point but it was still pretty transparent>After all, all of this just feels great.>To have Touma do her best to find all of my mistakes.>To have Touma laugh at how terrible my playing is.>To have Touma fully utilize her usually limited vocabulary just for the sake of disparaging me.>...To have Touma looking only at me. To have her always smiling at me...
>>272428307>axedretard
>>272427637The chapters are like 5 pages long on average - the equivalent to about 5 chapters in a serialized weekly manga. This twist is basically an end of volume 1 twist. It's not like Maruto strung the readers on for years. I also wouldn't call her a "decoy". I'm pretty sure the story will be split into three parts, each with a different viewpoint, hence the naming scheme of the characters.
>>272428364>Not entire volumes worth of storypages are shortif anything you could finish reading the existing chapters in less than an hour without speed-reading
>the newest chapter is just some .5 chapter where Yami kissed the sleeping MC in his sleep and prolly continued for the 2nd round of sex>the discussion in /a/ got even largeridgi
>>272423338Hikarisisters, Miku will avenge Hikari
>>272428757>Who cares?you act high and almighty yet you still keep posting on this thread like some stuck-up bitch
>>272430104>the discussion in /a/ got even largeri honestly would rather we have a thread every time a new chapter comes out at least most of the discussion will be focused on the newest eventsas of now most of it is just the same topic being discussed over and over again to the point where you're already seeing buzzwords like "ragebait", "cuckshit" being spammed around, while falseflagging faggots kept posting baits to keep the thread alive
>Hikari hears this>Immediately thinks he's talking about herit was over before it even began
>>272430472But it actually most likely was about her.
>>272430104Seems someone got hooked enough to want more threads this week.>>272430336Yeah, the persistent threads are attracting new readers, but there's only so much to talk about each biweek and in total.>>272430472She keeps worrying it might be someone else though.
>>272430582Not really. In Jap, he says this:>"She's someone I met and liked before I even met you, Kan."So the translation with "way before" is not accurate. And as the scene in chapter 21 shows, he's clearly not over Ayami, and most likely rushed after her when he spotted her - it even looked like he was going to confess before Ayami shut him up with a kiss.
>>272424581>>Japs REFUSE to let the cheerful blonde CF be happy, even in a story about oneBased. I hate genki shits.
>>272424581We love the dark haired cold Jap girl here.
>>272430750>So the translation with "way before" is not accurate.Not like it changes things much but sure.>And as the scene in chapter 21 shows, he's clearly not over Ayami, and most likely rushed after her when he spotted herNot so sure about that. 1. We still don't know anything about what kind of couple they were. Just from flashback scenes it doesn't feel like he was at the "I like her" stage yet, more like going with the flow with an alluring girl.2. We still don't know who initiated the breakup.3. There are indications that he felt things when being alone with Hikari - blushing, trying his best to cheer her up etc.But I can give you that there were also indications he was over her - like him being dismissive and casual when asked by friends on their double date about their relationship.
>>272429843My point still stands, yom must retvrn to his roots. No one draws them quite like yom did.
>>272431171too badyom and maruto are doing it for free
remember when mangadex comments were broken for like two years?those were good times
Did /a/ just discover his manga or something? We have had consecutive maxed out threads since the latest chapter dropped.
>>272431422What if the amount of recent threads made more people pick the manga up?
>>272431456at the very least /a/'s more tolerant of the manga compared with mangadex since anons are used to soap opera shits like boy's abyss while mangadex just seems pissed off that its a love triangle rather than your usual SOL
>>272426393It's dialogue from episode 20 of Shirobako, adapted and plastered onto Eiko.
Chapter 21 turned this manga from generic SOL slop into potential /a/ certified dramakino. We'll have to see where it goes.
The girl introduced first is the destined love of the male lead. That’s the law. Furthermore, in a JP traditional love triangle the more attractive girl is the winner. In JP romances generally speaking the author makes it clear what the official pairing is right from the very beginning. This manga makes it very clear that Hikari is the destined parter of Yuu going by meta analysis. Character archetype, style and other settings like osananajimi don’t matter. In a JP harems the winner is almost always NOT the most attractive — typically 2nd most attractive, maybe 3rd - but this manga is clearly a love triangle. If it turns into a harem later on though it MIGHT be possible to consider Yami as an outlier due to this attractiveness rule. WA2 is a love triangle with other side-girl routes as minor omake routes and it follows the attractiveness rule for love triangles AND the first-introduced law.
>>272432479>WA2 is a love triangle with other side-girl routes as minor omake routes and it follows the attractiveness rule for love triangles AND the first-introduced law.It doesn't follow either of those? Kazusa is the most attractive and she was introduced second.
>>272432479Anon, Kazusa was introduced second in WA2.
>>272431634Imagine if Yami’s story was told first, and then Hikari showed up, she’d totally be the villain, and all those people would direct their anger at her.
>>272432541Nope, she is both first introduced (music from the window) and also most attractive. It’s important to understand the REASON why first introduced is a law: because in she is the lead girl and as such she will receive the majority of narrative focus. Playing WA2 it’s OBVIOUS which of the two had the strongest narrative focus, drove the love of the MC, moved events, etc. Even in Setsuna’s own route it’s about the MC gradually separating himself from Kazusa. It’s incredibly obvious who the lead girl is.This manga isn’t the same, but it seems to be following the same trope rules. The author is probably trying to trick readers using Kazusa and Setsuna imagery, ie “oh wow he’s pulling a Kazusa lol!” But it’s at a strictly surface-level while continuing to obey the rules. The manga starts with both Hikari and Yuu climbing all over each other, clearly in love, and proceeded with that for 19 chapters. It’s a standard JP love triangle and you’re falling for the edgy gimmick.
>>272432899Setsuna is the one who's introduced first. True, we hear Kazusa's piano first, but the actual character first introduced - and whom we spend a lot of time with before Kazusa is introduced - is Setsuna. And just like this manga, Kazusa is later on revealed to have a history with Haruki that shows how she ended up falling in love with him before he met Setsuna/Setsuna fell in love with him.I think you're focusing too much on the small details instead of the bigger picture. Ayami, like Kazusa, only has her role and importance established later on and retroactively - up to that point, most of the focus is on Setsuna, until it gradually starts to turn to Kazusa.
>>272434031>Ayami, like Kazusa, only has her role and importance established later on and retroactively - up to that point, most of the focus is on Setsuna, until it gradually starts to turn to Kazusa.I agree with you overall, but this is a stretch. Kazusa was introduced like 40 minutes later than Setsuna. Yami was properly introduced like 1/3 through the story.
>>272423338KinoooNormies keep seething. They would rather read another harem sloppa for the 100th time. When something creative is cooking the lose it about cucking lmao
>>272435652I get your point, but I'm not sure I agree. True, Kazusa is introduced somewhat quickly after Setsuna, but it's by and large Setsuna who drives the plot at that point, until she inadvertently pushes Haruki and Kazusa together through their group sessions etc. As much as I love her, Kazusa's role early on is just to kick and verbally abuse Haruki.
>>272426731Asami? ~ty 3 months on duolingo
How could you not support these feet?
>>272436211MC had already fallen in love with the piano coming through the window. It tugged on his soul and drew him into the plot starting. It was obvious that Kazusa was his fated partner. JPs are heavy into the fated soul-pair. I often call JP love triangles "fake love triangles" because there’s actually just one pairing and the other person is just a foil. WA2 ‘s romantic arc is basically:1. Fall in love2. Foil insertion at a critical moment3. Love is separated4. Years spent slowly trying to get over the lost love5. Love suddenly reconnects6. Characters struggling with their baggage to arrive at the fated relationship.Setsuna started and ended as the foil to the fated love between MC and Kazusa. Even in her own route Setsuna merely becomes a SUCCESSFUL foil. From the very beginning of the MC hearing the piano through the window the fated love was locked in.
>>272436949What about something like Kiminozo? The whole series is about the MC struggling to move past his first love. It's not until the end that he realizes that the past is the past and that his future is with Miyuki, not Haru. That series doesn't really use the concept of "fated love", it just shows how life (and by extension , love) sometimes is. Sometimes you might have someone you like, but circumstances push you together with someone else, whom you end up developing a real relationship with. I don't think Maruto wants to retread the big melodrama of WA2 with its themes of true love and the bitterness that follows, for which the arc you outlined was a perfect fit. I feel this is more down to earth - no "fated partner" bs.Of course, I might be wrong, but that's what I think.
>>272423338>tfw another cuckquean manga
>>272423338Best girl
>>272427539The Problem is the authors , not readers. They believe themselves to be superior who can force readers to like anything he wants. If he wanted self satisfaction than he could just imagine the whole thing on his head. But the moment he decided to draw and SELL his imagination, reader's attitude becomes more important than whatever he trying to show.
>>272436821i support this ass
>>272437737if she was this honest with him he would have been with her already
>>272437680We need better terms to distinguish between girls who have a fetish for watching their guy fuck other girls and girls who just end up losing because they're too slow (and don't like it)
>yami loved yuu first>yami and yuu gave each other their first everything>suddenly yami is supposed to give up her boyfriend because her friend decided she likes him, now that yami fucked the virgin stink out of himThis is NTR but not the way people are saying
>>272437737Mercilessly mogged by ayami once again
>>272432479>romance stories have to be this way!>maruto: No.>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>272437737This was fantasy.>>272438069This was realIn conclusion: mogged.
>>272423338>Another thread for this ragebait mangaHow does it even get these many replies though? There hasn't been progress in the plot for like a month, right? There is no world building nor lore, right? Just typical shoujo romcom drama shit What do you faggots even discuss here?
>>272438157Wdym? The last 4-5 chapters have had more plot development than the whole rest of the manga
>>272430141Why won't they introduce a female competitor for Yukito's affections after NTRbait dumping on him with Miku's ikemen?Oh right, female author.
>>272430104we enjoy True Love here
>>272430141Domoto has to stop dying first.
>>272438157>ragebaitPeople assumed they were reading a fluffy Yom webcomic where dork will win again.But failed to notice they were reading a Maruto drama until it was too late.
>>272438069>yuu berried his dick so far inside this that whoever pulled it out would be crowned king arthurabsolute life victor
>>272438186That was more than a month ago, last two biweekly issues didn't advanced the plot just rehash
Why does Maruto hates childhood friends bros?!What did they do to him for them be subjected to such cruelty??
>>272438643What's weirder is they don't just move on and find someone else, maybe another even better guy.No, they got to be obsessed with the dude even after they lose. Hell, even when they win they still get cheated on after getting married.Reminded me of that Quintoplet manga, where four girls lose, but they are also not allowed to get married or be in a relationship with another guy, they have to be weird orbiters.
>>272437985cuckquean vs kekari
>>272438544>Develops Yuu and Yami's history together>Deepens the nature of their relationship and their feelings >Develops the story by putting everything beforehand in a new perspective ???
>>272424239No they're seethereading and coping Yom will draw their self insert winning in the end.He won't as Yom is firmly on team Yami.
>>272438544>last twothis current chapter is just a side thing yeah, it's in the title, but 25 is a major moment, what are you talking about?
>hikari's face when yuu tells her he's going to stop hanging out alone with her now that he proposed to ayami and it would be disrespectful
>>272437686Ok, redditor
>>272439284dunking on Hikari will never not be funny
>>272437686>and SELLit's posted online for free, they only sold a very limited run of physical copies at a con
>>272439478She is not really a bad person, hateable, or anything like that, just kind of clueless in love.I don't get why people have such a hate boner for her, especially when the other girl comes off as much more of bitch from the get go.Do people in this thread got rejected by a nice girl at some point or something?
>>272439718Bullying a helpless loser is very erotic
>>272439718
>>272439718she's not real, it's just shitposting
>>272439718I don't hate her, I just think dunking on her is funny.
>>272439718Hikari is not a nice girl, she's a self-centered spoiled princess who thinks she's the protagonist of her own romance novel fantasy without bothering to learn the real life situation of those around her.
>>272439718>supposedly in love with him>gets mad at him for not reading her mind after she purposely avoids telling him her feelings>notice me IDIOTwow what a nice girl
>>272426869But that's just Douki-chan. In fact that's literally, actually Douki-chan with some sex slapped on
>Aya-chan is... fucking my Ta-kun?>You mean... he played with her clitoris?>He went down on her?>He penetrated her?>He had rough and emotional nakadashi sex with her?>You mean to tell me she felt the joy of taking my Ta-kun's virginity?>You mean to tell me she felt the emotional connection with him that I've longed for all this time?
>>272437680I wanted baby drama so bad
Question: Why was Yuu depressed and sodding when Yami met him for the first time on chapter 22? He also said that there is a person he wanted to catch up & walk alongside with whom Yami deduced to be a girl, who was she?
>>272425725the actual best gir won, thoughbeit.
>>272441866>missionary>stand and carry>armpit licking>anal>mating press>handholding
>>272443151Imagine Hikari finds out that they fucked the same day they met and indirectly because of her
>>272443289I bet there some backstory about MC overheard FMC denying to have any feelings for him during middle school which is why he ended up sobbing in front of Yami during their first meeting.
>>272439718>I don't get why people have such a hate boner for herShe exemplifies an attitude that many female otome characters have, which is to be passive or antagonist to Chad-kun and still be rewarded. It's refreshing to see it subverted.
>>272443546No, he was sobbing because he thought he did poorly on the entrance exam (and he did, since he didn't get in).
>>272443546He was crying because he failed at getting into her school so he was facing the reality that his dreams of catching up to his crush were over for good.
>>272442940it is a mystery
>>272442940>Why was Yuu depressed and sodding when Yami met him for the first time on chapter 22?He realized he was a brainlet after taking the entrance exam and that he won't get into the same high school as Hikari. >He also said that there is a person he wanted to catch up & walk alongside with whom Yami deduced to be a girl, who was she?He outright tells her it was Hikari, unless he gets another childhood friend that we haven't met yet.
I really, really hate those little black socksSo much in fact I might even read the manga
>>272443826>yuu had another, earlier childhood friend that he starts reconnecting with
>>272423484I only came to this after the twist, of course, but in retrospect it's hard to see why no one was suspecting anything. Not because of the now retroactively dramatically ironic interactions and lines, but simply because the writer did White Album 2 and the artist's last major work was about an Average Japanese Office Lady being SFW NTR'd day in and day out. That one at least was a simple gag series that was always going to end with her winning, but come on people.
>>272438124I swear that guy is purityschizo, just putting in a little more effort than his usual broken cassette.>>272439849>Yuu had no interest in Hikari's school life after Yami broadened his horizons>hence missed Aya = Yami cluesDamn, I forgot that detail.
>>272444183I only knew Yom was the author, so I was just here for the feet.
>>272444183>but simply because the writer did White Album 2vast majority of people probably just assumed yom was the sole author. vast majority of people mad on MD and elsewhere probably have no idea who a maruto even is as well
>>272423484>>272444428this is the first thread i've ever seen it pointed out who wrote this, and on top of that, manga readers aren't necessarily also VN readers. even if they had read it, they might not know offhand who wrote the scenario.
>>272444663>He doesn't remember the WA2 anime shitshows2013 wasn't that long ago... Heck, even Oregairufags got constantly reminded of WA2.
>>272424581Black haired girls SUPREMACY, stay mad chud
how much until next chappy
>>272441866Hey, she still doesn't know that they lost their virginity together in passionate and pure sex of love.What happens if the manga ends without her knowing? or without wanting to know it
>>272444132>>272443826He is full of surprises desu
>>272424581The already found a solutionJust make the black hair fuck the blonde instead
>>272437680to be fair that girl might be a legit autist, even her sister is a weirdo
>>272446411I'm okay with this
>>272446483her sister is now playing with Akito's cockpretty much confirms that she's a virgin since she never saw a cock before
>>272448487>pretty much confirms that she's a virgin since she never saw a cock beforeShe doesn't really need to see it, anon.
>>272439718Nothing is more enjoyful than crushing the heart of a girl's first love.
>>272444428Sure, but like, no one mentioned it to anyone? I know /a/ basically had no threads, but any where else either? I guess there weren't all that many comments on mangadex before the twist.But it feels strange to think that literally no one peaked in and went "uh hey, you know what the most famous thing in the west this guy did is, right?">>272444663I've seen it come up on /a/ before, it's how I learned about who the writer is to begin with.
>>272439718It's not "hateable" or anything, it's just anons laughing at the usual romcom cliches getting overturned. It's half the fucking shitposting appeal of NTR posting, even in series without a hint of it. Anons get frustrated by the usual drama generating cliches of these series and like seeing, or imagining, shit happening because of it.Specifically here, though, for shitposters who actually know a bit more about the series, the fact that the set up is Yuu was clearly into her before and she confirms she'd have probably turned him down back when he first met Ayami, they enjoy the kind of "schadenfreude irony" of it all.
>>272450473average reader doesn't put anywhere near that level of effort into what they're consuming, doubly so for fans of this kinda stuff
>>272450473You're overestimating the mind of a fluffy romcom r*ddit reader.Hell, I read the first chapter of this and thought this was just another 1 page Twitter manga and dropped it immediately.
loser
>>272451831winner
>>272448487>>272448740>she touched his peniswhat are the chances of pic related happening again but with the sister
>>272451734And that's exactly the reason why nobody bothered to look into its author or publication format. We all saw the 1~4 pages per week and thought it was just Yom doing random shit with no real story. Notice how "it went from 9 to 6" but on the other hand discussions about it increased a hundred-fold, people are actually paying attention to the story now (because there is one)
>>272432479You miss the context that this is a veteran author playing around in doujin format. He doesn't REALLY have to adhere to any of those editor-magazine driven conventions.
>>272451859cute
Will Hikari try to out-slut Ayami in order to win Yuu's heart?
>>272454887A futile gesture, Ayami has already taken Yuu's shape.
>>272454887I hope so. The manga would become lame if she just gives in.
>>272454986What does this even mean
>>272452019I want it to happen again bad
Immortal general
>>272424402I mean they were dating and fucking everyday like at least a year or two before hikari fell in love right? How is that ntr? If anything hikari is the intruder here
>>272426731Kyurem
>>272455384
>>272455119He dicked her so much her vagina is a negative mold of his penis
I wish they put the IP counter back so it would be obvious this thread is the same 10 fags bumping this shit non-stop with the same conversations.
>>272456163I'd be down with per-thread ID's on more boards.
>>272456163Reddit is that-a-way
Why are Kazusafags so obsessed with pushing her TE is the truest realest ultimate ending of WA2? Author already said there's no true ending and the longest epilogue is after the normal ending, and the only one where they realize they can exist and find happiness as their own person. All three endings bring a different valid perspective to the table.
>>272456367Wrong thread, bro. Go to /vn/
>>272456367Not all Kazusafags, etc. My view is that each ending corresponds to one of the characters taking their best shot at solving the three's problem: Setsuna True was Setsuna's best try, Cheating Route was Kazusa's, and Kazusa True was Haruki's. There are arguments one can make, but I'm personally content with canon coexistence.
>>272425652Is Paripi Koumei worth reading after the anime? Is it yuri or does Koumei win the Eikobowl?
>>272423338So what does this actually mean? Was he already her FORMER boyfriend when she found out he is the one Hikari loves? Or is she simply referring to him as a former boyfriend without any indication if they broke up before or after she learnt about Hikari's crush?
>>272458700They broke up at the end of summer break. That's why Yuu was acting strange in that chapter. Meaning they were together for about a year and a half.
>>272458744>They broke up at the end of summer break. That's why Yuu was acting strange in that chapter. Do we know it for sure or is that just an assumption from that chapter?
>>272424488That's me, however I don't comment, just mentally exclaim.
>>272423338>barges into her best friend's fluffy romance storyOnly readers who were as delusional as Hikari think of it like this. You all got the reality check you deserved i guess.
>>272424088No stakes wholesomeslop nothingburger romcom fags eat this shit up like hotcakes. That's why they are so angery since their safe space got invaded.
>>272458971It makes sense, but his facial expression seems more like embarrassment than sadness.
>>272432479Lucky for us, Maruto doesn't give a single fuck
>>272458971He's on his phone trying to get Aya back, that's why he's way more self-conscious about Hikari. All the other times he was indifferent about her doing that to him.
>>272441866>that I've longed for all this timeWhich is like what? 2 months?
>>272459294Prz undastando, a high school girl's first ever crush is serious business.
>>272459294About a year, according to >>272436821
>>272459890Yeah but she started to have actual feelings and act on it until very recently no? Which is the start of the story. It wasn't something like an instant "childhood friend i don't give a fuck about ---> i love him"
Will there be a pregnancy scare arc?
>>272436821lol so dude had sex which immediately changed his aura and NOW the FMC suddenly interested in him after the fact? She deserves nothing
I'm calling it now, Yami broke up with Yuu after chapter 11 when she found out that Hikari was crushing on him, Yuu refuse to give up on their relationship though which is why we see him mope around in chapter 12 and why Aya was so insisted on Hikari just asking Yuu out already in chapter 15. There's also Yuu on his phone using LINE in chapter 18 and why Yuu refuse to go to Hikari's school festival because he wanted to resign himself to losing Aya. The reason why Aya kissed Yuu after slapping him is because he picked Aya over Hikari.
>>272460128I mostly think the same except for this>The reason why Aya kissed Yuu after slapping him is because he picked Aya over Hikari.I don't think it's about him picking Yami over Hikari, it's mostly just about him finding her despite her attempts to avoid him, and the kiss is the result of bottled up feelings she still has.
So he failed an entrance exam and just give up on his childhood crush to go after somebody else.
>>272460128This would take Hikari out of the story entirely thought. Literally no point having her POV after this point if Yuu is so set on Aya.
>>272458971>>272459258>>272460128Huh, he really was preoccupied with his phone in that scene. But if it were a Yami chat on the screen, I'd be hiding it posthaste if I were him, with Hikari sidling up right behind him like that.
>>272460429He met someone he could actually share his true feelings with.
>>272460440>This would take Hikari out of the story entirely thoughtDoes that look like the face of someone winning?
>>272460429He was already at the edge of giving up at that point and was seeing the entrence exam as a last resort. Yami just pushed him over the edge. Hikari literally says she would reject him if he confessed during that time.
>>272460467Well it doesn't (for dramatic effect) but what is the point of the story after this point if its done. We need Yuu's POV which is the next in line i think
>>272460464>>272460471It would make sense to give up after confession or Hikari dating somebody else. He just immediately went after another girl without a fight.
>>272460429He just met a bewitching senpai who he has a good chemistry with and who likes him back.
>>272460514>He just immediately went after another girl without a fight.Hikari didn't give a single fuck about him so he folded immidiately for someone who did. It's not so complicated. He was 15.
>>272460463>But if it were a Yami chat on the screen, I'd be hiding it posthaste if I were himDon't forget that he doesn't know Yami is Hikari's friend.
>>272460514>without a fightThrough circumstance, he found someone he likes better. In the present of the story, he doesn't feel that way about Hikari anymore, which is why he didn't react when their middle school classmates thought they were a couple.
>>272460463>But if it were a Yami chat on the screen, I'd be hiding it posthaste if I were him, with Hikari sidling up right behind him like that.The only explanation is that Yami is on the other side of the conversation of that phone. Yuu doesn't blush or react like that normally whenever Hikari is on his back. Chapter 18 is the sole exception of that. Chapter 1 even begins with Hikari and Yuu doing the same thing and he's indifferent to it. Chapter 18 Yuu is emotionally off-balance, and I doubt Hikari is the one doing that to him.
>>272460463Entire story is based on Yami not knowing Yuu was Hikari's crush until recently and Hikari doesn't even have a clue about Yuu's personal life despite being a CF. That's howmuch she didn't care previously.
>>272460440It is delicious suffering you must eat it>>272460551So the theory would be Yami broke up with him without explaining the real reason? Why would she do it that way though?
>>272460558>which is why he didn't react when their middle school classmates thought they were a couple.Yeah people who like Hikari tend to ignore the other fucking half of a romance in this story. Dude was stone cold in his response and only flustered because the info about him studying to get in to her school was exposed. Which is something now, after moving on, he finds emberessing.
>>272460623>Why would she do it that way though?Because she's only one who knows Yuu liked Hikari before the story started. She guessed correctly immediately.
>>272460623>Why would she do it that way though?...Oh right, so that she can push him away more convincingly and make him forget about her. If he knew the truth he might not go along with if.
>>272460660Yuu better do the right thing and break through her insecurities.
>>272460623>>272460660>>272460731>Why would she do it that way though?And to further explain, Yami literally thought Yuu's reasoning was childish and dumb and wanted to corrupt him as revenge because he was making a big deal, in her mind, about nothing. She quite literally NTR'd her best friend before she even had a chance. Even if she was putting up an act to act like an adult, she would still remember the ENTIRE reason why she got with Yuu to begin with was to corrupt him.
If Yami actually broke up with him AFTER learning Hİkari's crush, Hikari is now the homewrecker and has absolutely no place in the story going forward.
>>272460783Wrong, her place is falling even further into depravity.
>>272460790It will just make it a suffering porn and now everyone will hate it instead of just wholesomeslop addicts (who deserve the worst anyway)
>>272423338>Shitty hairstyle>No tits>Generic deadpan / Ayanami expy without the charmWhats the point of this character
>>272460930It exposes people without taste.
>>272423338Why is everyone scared of little drama in their romance?
>>272452019First she gotta get an ntr fantasy doujin
I’d like to see a flashback to check if Hikari was a tomboy with short hair who looked like a boy
>>272461509>you will never catch up to me anyway!She keeps digging herself deeper lol
>fragile romcom fags can't stop seething chapter after chapterGlorious. Keep calling for the axe that will never come retards
>>272460128>people everywhere are still arguing about the switch while /a/ are extensively working on the timeline of events like a detectiveMaybe 4chan really is a psyop for weaponized autism..
>>272461868/a/ was and always will be THE place to discuss genuinely good shit. Everything else will be shitposted to infinity.
>>272461860>normalfags when the dumb girl that completely ignores her CF loses her chance because she actually did nothing during the 10 years they were friends
>>272423338She's not >my girl/a/ is >vanill/a/
>>272461868Having actual discussions about the story instead of constant malding is the opposite of autism.
>>272461860>shit romcom slop with no story or stakes>OMG so wholesomarrino get married already!!!!! 10/10>suddenly there is an actual story with character depth>NOOO ML SHOUD HAVE WAITED LIKE AN ITEM ON THE CORNER TO BE COLLECTED WHEN FMC FELT LIKE IT. REEEEEEEEEE 1/10 Normies deserve the rope
>>272460705Till now, I hadn't considered the possibility of Yami NOT telling him the real reason. In that scenario, it would mean when he hesitated at Hikari's festival invite, it wasn't out of concern for the two girls' friendship (that he wouldn't know about), but "only" because of everything else.>If Yami sees them together, it'll look like he got over her already>If Hikari finds out he has an ex, it's a nightmare to explain and hurts his chances with Hikari>Accepting Hikari's invite with an intent to (temporarily) ditch her and look for Yami must feel pretty scummy
>>272461509She looked like this in two flashbacks.
There is also a detail that wasn't in the manga but it was in WN. She was trying to hook him up with different girls the whole time during middle school and was getting frustrated when none of it worked out.She literally brought the current situation upon herself and she fucking DESERVE to lose
>>272462940She didn't develop feelings for him until few months before the story & look after him like a big sister.Its Yuu's fault for being a beta wimp and Yami for bring a playgirl. Hikari was only forced to fall for Yuu only to get hurt because the author again wanted to show off how cool his beta wimp self insert male character like white album 2.
>>272463299Retard.
>>272463299>forced to fall for Yuubad faith, opinion discarded
>>272460660She doesn't know Hikari yet, dummy. Yuu's wearing a middle school uniform
>>272462940Why didn't he add this to the manga? What is this artist even thinking?
>>272462940Big if true. Do you remember which chapter that was in?
>>272464490No idea but that was the most retarded decision i've seen made concerning the adaptation because it makes it immediately apperant why the dude moved on completely as soon as some other prospect showed up at the right time.Hikari was not only late, she prepared the entire groundwork for her faliure with her own hands.
>>272462940What the hell why wouldn’t you put this in?I guess for more shock, will probably get tacked on now for extra Hikari realizing what she’s lost episode.
>>272464695>why the dude moved on completely as soon as some other prospect showed upWe don't know anything about their relationship yet, god damn. How would you know he moved on completely and instantly.
>>272464695tfw your childhood friend will never set you up with her hot friends. it’s both cute and kinda tragic, with an extra emotional kick.
>>272466014>How would you know he moved on completely and instantly.His no shits given attitude since chapter 1? Hikari's entirely one sided infatuation bordering delusion? Even her entire reason for starting to notice him as a man was because his entire demeanor has changed after the end of middleschool when he started seeing Yami (and fucking her).There were many sighs pointing to that while there was absolutely zero sighs implying otherwise.
>>272423338I am die. the people that read this are truly cucked. the comments are so fucking funny. holy shit. That's what romance and purity fags get.
>>272466551>romance and purity fagswe're all cheering for Yami tho
>>272466499>His no shits given attitude since chapter 1?He blushed plenty of times, he spent lots of time with her alone together, he kept doing a lot to raise her mood whenever she started her tsundere act etc. >Even her entire reason for starting to notice him as a man was because his entire demeanor has changedBut that was never said explicitly. She comments that she started seeing him as a man a year ago without any mentions that his attitude changed. I can see signs that he indeed moved on, but come on, it's not like it's so obvious and clear that there could be no doubt. Neither was it ever said that he moved on right after that night with Yami.
>>272466633>He blushed plenty of timesThere is only one instance where you can make this argument and that is when they were back to back and he was staring at his phone >>272458971. And there was obviously something else going on. Other one is with the middleschooler friends when the truth about him studying to geting to her school gets exposed which was obviously out of embarrassment. He stonefaced the fuck out of "dating" allegations.>he spent lots of time with her alone together, he kept doing a lot to raise her mood whenever she started her tsundere act etc.Like any other friends who live literally right next to each other do?>But that was never said explicitlyThis manga is all about "show, don't tell". Specially after the reveal. Hikari (and the romcom fags) was delusional thinking that every little sign was in her favor while, as we've come to learn, the opposite was true.
>>272466551>romance and purity fags get.Those guys are currently winning though?
>>272466945>Like any other friends who live literally right next to each other do?Like any other friends who don't have girlfriends, yeah.>This manga is all about "show, don't tell".What shows that it was his changed demeanor that made her interested?
>>272462509>Hikari foreshadowing the events>Yuu crying + suffering by himself >Yami = monster >Yami literal jumps on him grim
>>272467152Well, she was thinking back on how he used to be such a sissy in >>272462509 and >>272436821 when she was wondering why she fell for him.
>>272468258Deepest lore
>>272468258When will we find our way out of this forest?
>>272468315That was what, like 8 years before the events of the manga? Of course he was completely different. If she reminisced on their middle school time, that would be a different thing.
>>272468557We've gotten a few accounts from him of how beta he still felt in middle school. And saw him moping after the entrance exams, although that was probably a personal low for him.
>>272460543>Hikari didn't give a single fuck about himShe was still his friend, she simply didn't saw him in a romantic manner back then.
>>272462940which chapter?
>>272468557In the novel she also reminisces about him going to karaoke because she wanted to, and just awkwardly sitting there instead of singing, which seems more recent. In general you can see more of a contrast in his actions, like thw chapter with the kohai and how he finally turns her down clearly compared to her memory of how awkward and shy he was with girls that would try to give him chocolate or ask him out. (That's what >>272462940 was referring to I assume)
>>272469881> she simply didn't saw him in a romantic manner back then.Yes, that's the important fuck concerning the story so friend part doesn't really matter
>>272462940She only started developing feelings for him after he and Yami became adults together.
>>272470387Equivalent wn chapter to this one >>272436821
Are most friendships for women really this vile?
>>272466014This is the reverse echo chamber. And here they don't cheer for Ayami, they cheer against Hikari. Likely they were cucked by a girl like her, the same as the author.
>>272471363Yes? That doesn't matter since she was already dug herself pretty deep without knowing how it will bite her in the ass in the future.
>>272471441>projectinggo back to dex
>>272471478This entire thread is projection complaining that Hikari did nothing when she hanged around with him all the time, but what did he do? Stood around moping and said nothing, she would have rejected him because he did literally nothing other than being a pussy when around her.But then some bad girl with attitude appeared and instantly opened her legs everyone here is like "she should win" because they all wish some random woman would hit on them like Ayami did. And they also say this while saying "fuck Hikari" to make their spite clear.
We need to wait 2 more weeks for a new chapter?
>>272471617>she would have rejected him because he did literally nothing other than being a pussy when around her.She literally says she didn't care about love and shit and would rejected him straight out if he confessed. Are you retarded or just can't read?
>>272471649Closer to 1 week now. Ya crazy bastards.
>>272472359Have you considered he was a fucking pussy and that's why she never saw him that way? He still kinda is if he cannot tell she likes him now or if he knows and cannot tell her off properly. Meanwhile you can keep believing a woman will get into your life and make you a chad, anon.
>>272472447oh you are just retarded. Carry on
>>272472447>He still kinda is if he cannot tell she likes him now or if he knowsHe doesn't care, he was trying to salvage his relationship with Yami so much so, he chased after her when she was trying to hide
>>272472654But he cares enough to tell a younger girl down?
>>272472689The younger girl told him she loves him and wanted to date him and he said why he couldn't. As far as he's concerned, Hikari just views him as a little brother or not a romantic option. He also straight up rejected Hikari going to her school until she started emotionally blackmail him.
>>272472842And there it is. Back to bashing Hikari. Yuu can do no wrong.
>>272472893The fuck you want Yuu to do? Ignore his feelings for Yami for someone he doesn't think likes him that way. Are we forgetting how both Yami and Yuu were getting emotional with each other in the classroom.
>>272472893Hikari literally does nothing. It's not bashing.Yuu wanted Hikari, was rejected for being too beta, he finds a girl that wants him and moves on.Hikari suddenly likes Yuu now, feels betrayed that he likes someone else.Oh wow, shocker!
>>272471617>>272471441>hikarifags have reached the meta conspiracy stage
>>272423338My Mistress
What if the POV is never switched back and Hikari more or less disappears from the story?We never find out what her reaction was to the whole thing, other than just to distanced herself from the others and started hanging out with other group of friends.Later in the story we see her in the background with another guy being really flirty holding hands, but she doesn’t stop to talk with them. Now that would be subversion and not just retarded melodrama
>>272473236>What if the POV is never switched back and Hikari more or less disappears from the story?best outcome but expect some serious suffering porn moving forward
>>272471398Huh, in retrospect her talking about being genre-savvy at multiple points in the chapter really feels like foreshadowing now.
>>272473305That's why the manga adaptation kinda sucks. You miss really important parts of the story and due to this you have retards like >>272471617
>>272473236Not a bad idea.But what you would write about in this situation? Romcom slop like the first part? Then why did the first part even exist when you would've made her a footnote in your story in the first place?
>>272473358nah that happens with any series no matter how blatant, people form a conclusion and then twist the work to fit it. But yeah, the manga is pretty truncated, usually the gist is the same but sometimes small details are important later.
>>272473236Lame. Way to leave both camps blueballed.
>>272473452>Then why did the first part even exist when you would've made her a footnote in your story in the first place?That’s already the case, she had no point in the story other than to set up the twist and this secret couple. Her role in the story is basically done, and she has no more chances other than some asspull since the dude is clearly not into her anymore.
>>272473483Yeah, would be perfect for this story though.
>>272473638>she had no point in the story other than to set up the twist and this secret coupleIf you believe this you're delusional.
>>272473638this "story" will be meaningless fluff if it doesn't wind up in a woman vs woman fight for the guy (once all the flashbacks and setup exposition are done)
>>272463578But it is what happened. She never cared, now she suddenly cares because the beta wimp tasted one (1) pussy. I would believe this more if she wasn't some lame ass virgin herself but the VN gods forbid him.
>>272473885Why did they make her a virgin anyway?The character is the typical man eater who immediately is able to seduce him and doesn’t hesitate to grab his dick, not to mention give a background hinted at sexual abuse and not afraid to prostitue herself, but then the writer had to go out of his way to mention it was her first time.Shit makes no sense whatsoever.It’s like all those manga about the supposed slutty gal hooking up with the otaku, but turns out she actually a virgin.They want to have their cake and eat it too.
>>272473830I thought it was meaningless fluff when it was just a straight up romance?
>>272474100I was talking about Hikari but your sperging was also funny.
>>272474141it was
>>272474141>romanceThere was no romance. Just a delusional girl
>>272473885maybe she cares because he stopped caring
Kek you know I just realized this manga is for jaded people who hate romance stories, it’s like the anti-romcom.I have to wonder who hurt the writer so badly.
>>272474338>this manga is for jaded people who hate romance storiesWhat your kind consider a "romance story" is just a boring no stakes slop with no actual story.
>>272474552There are plenty with romances with stakes that aren't this fucking mess or that shit so hard on one character.
>>272474552>wah wah, people like something I don't like
Boy these baby’s-first-JP-romances are in for a brutal lesson in JP media literacy. They’ll have to learn the hard way that Hikari-Yuu is the main couple.
>/a/ brownoids continue to salivate over cucking while everyone else is instinctively repelled and dropped this shit
>>272474835My knowledge of JP literature tells me this would end with Yuu killing himself or alone.
>>272474338>I just realized this manga is for jaded people who hate romance stories, it’s like the anti-romcom.This is baby stuff, now Boy's Abyss that was a series that knew how to crush any speck of romance possible unless you're a Nagifag that enjoys the offscreen no jutsu
>>272474338Funny, from my POV it's a subset of the twist haters that come off as jaded fucks who can't empathize with romantic drama. Like they've seen too much backstabbing in their real lives to dissociate and enjoy it in fiction anymore. "I have to wonder who hurt them so badly."
>>272474835Holy irony. Keep doubling down, purityfag.
>>272475060You realize that not everyone who hated this twist hates stories involving backstabbing. The specific way this story did it came across as "petty"
Yami love
>>272472893Nobody is really at fault here. Hikari's only "sin" is being too self-absorbed to notice what's going around her. But just like she isn't owed Yuu's love, he wasn't owed hers either.It's not her fault she didn't fall in love with Yuu before, he never gave her a reason to see him as a man. It's not Yuu's fault he fell in love with Yami, he was a hormonal loser teen with a hopeless crush that got the first taste of genuine emotional and physical connection.It's not Yami's fault she fell in love with her future friend's crush and then likely fell apart from guilt because the whole relationship stemmed from the worst period in her life.
>>272475478>he never gave her a reason to see him as a man.What is this based on? Him crying after a scary movie in fucking elementary school? We've never seen what he was like during middle school during which Hikari tried to hook him up with other girls
>>272475629He was a beta male that Yami without even knowing the guy for more than an hour could read him>>272460660
>>272475629We have his own word that he was always in her shadow, and her own word that he was firmly friendzoned.
>>272475629hikari remembers him as very shy and withdrawn, just going along with whatever she wanted, and we see him crying over just thinking he's done badly on the exam in yami's flashback, it paints a general picture. that said, it is a incomplete picture, so i hope we get a flashback and stuff from yuu's own perspective, since we only see his character from the outside.
>>272475629It's pretty self evident if you combine all the perspectives. Inferiority complex, awkwardness, desperate for her affection and yet too cowardly to consider confessing until the risk of being separated by schools, so moody that even the though of failing has him moaning on the sidewalk in self-loathing.Contrast that against Yuu as wee see in the first chapters - aloof, relaxed, confident, snarky, no longer desperate and actually excelling in everything that used to crush him. It's not rocket science.
>>272475897>yuu's own perspectiveThis is the thing i want to see the most. Without it, story has a giant void in the middle. Dude is the other half of the equation and we never see what he thinks or feels
>>272473885>She never cared, now she suddenly cares because the beta wimp tasted one (1) pussyActually pretty realistic so I'm saying based on this one. Which makes your argument fall apart as well
>>272473885>She never cared, now she suddenly cares because the beta wimp tasted one (1) pussy.Anon, this is pretty normal. Not like women can smell virginity, but it's pretty clear that the relationship with Yomi fixed a lot of Yuu's self-esteem issues and finally got him out of the rut that marked him as the unreliable whiny lil bro.He went from a beta bitch to actually desirable dude, so no duh he's finally popping up on the radar.
Isn't this just a story of a loser CF but just from her POV from the start instead? She has the same characteristics of any loser CF we have seen hundreds of (doesn't care about a guy until someone else comes in and takes him away etc.) who is late to the party as always which is literally in the title as well. What is there to be so mad about?
>>272476075>>272476157Anon, people don't project auras. If she realized he was dating or if he said it loud this would be believable.
>>272476471>What is there to be so mad about?Getting NTR’d, especially by someone you called Best Friend and was supportive of you only to find out she was mocking you behind your back, stirs up feelings of anger.
>>272475249I think they're barking up the wrong tree. It's not some weird incel rage or whatever; the author just loves cooking drama.Some of us Anons, on the other hand...>>272476471OG readers got baited by months and months of fluffy CF chapters before the shock twist dunked them in the water.
>>272476471Because the manga gave off the impression of being tame vanilla romcom slop and thus the types of people that enjoy that garbage flocked to it, only to then get dropkicked in the face out of nowhere in ch 21. Also, Yami is officially the 2nd POV character now, so it's technically from both their perspectives. Some of the earlier chapters might've even had Yami narrating.
>>272476619None of those things happen in this story though? So is it made up outrage then?
>>272476684What, Yami was very supportive of Hikari pursuing her crush
>>272476619That was to her face (on Minecraft), and it's a compliment. Why do you keep trying to throw off nonreaders?
>>272476619Why are you making shit up?
>>272476578Anon, you can't be this fucking socially clueless.Confidence and self-esteem are absolutely a visible by a person's bearing.
>>272461912I love when it happens, I fucking hate CF heroines man, they're always so dumb and passive, they get comfy thinking they already won the race without even getting on the starting line and then they're surprised when another woman actually did something and won uncontested.
>>272476941Not to the extent you're imagining. This is like saying people can detect others' lies by reading the clues when the people who are the best at this only have a 60:40 rate at best in studies, usually around 55:45. Humans are really fucking bad at non-verbal communication in general, that's why oratory is the prime skill to have as a public figure.
>>272473236I'd be very disappointed. People seem to like her and while I don't dislike her I'm just not all that invested in her.
>>272428765On the original VN boxart, Kazusa is clearly positioned as the main girl. So from a meta perspective, it's clear.
>>272472893>>272471617>>272471441>>272474338>antiromcomschizo entered the thread
>>272477447>Closing ChapterTry Intro Chapter.
>>272477136It's hard to hide low confidence when you're not confident, especially over a longer time. And that's if you're even trying to hide it. Source: watashi.
I love Kazusa. That is all.
>>272478007who?
>>272479065the answer is literally on the image above >>272477781
>>272473885>But it is what happened. She never cared, now she suddenly cares because the beta wimp tasted one (1) pussyit's the same way men wearing wedding rings get hit on at bars more than obviously single oneshikari had a peak wymyn moment where Yuu getting a girlfriend and trying to draw a line between them (even if she didn't realize that's what was actually happening) tempted her to finally start seeing him as a romantic prospect
>>272474835Bro this is the White Album author
>>272472359>She literally says she didn't care about loveThis is why the "she only likes him because he lost his virginity" argument is retarded. She's just a somewhat late bloomer who didn't have romantic/sexual interest until she got into high school. That's a normal experience for a teenager to have and there's no need to do mental gymnastics about it to try to paint her in a negative light like anons keep doing in these threads.
>>272479531The White Album 2 author, you mean. The original White Album was written by a different person.
>>272479844>She's just a somewhat late bloomer who didn't have romantic/sexual interestWasn't she trying to get Yuu to fuck another girl in middle school?
>>272479844People miss the most obvious explanation: She was used to being around him all the time. Now they're in different schools and she started realizing how much he was part of her life.>>272480004Why wasn't she chasing romance herself? She liked messing with him because she liked him without realizing it or knowing how to show it.
>>272480004iirc she just says she was acting as a go-between for girls that wanted to give him chocolate and go out
>>272480247>iirc she just says she was acting as a go-between for girls that wanted to give him chocolate and go outMakes me wonder why she's shock that he has a GF
>>272480286She already suspected he had a gf, her shock was because it was one of her best friends from school. Stop speed-reading.
>>272480448Chapter 12 is the only time she suspected Yuu has a GF and she quickly shot that idea down
>>272480122>People miss the most obvious explanation: She was used to being around him all the time. Now they're in different schools and she started realizing how much he was part of her life.Ehh, they still hang around a lot outside of school though. I think if his demeanor had stayed the same, her reliable-oneesan reflexes would've stayed the same too.>She liked messing with him because she liked him without realizing it or knowing how to show it.Nah, she herself muses over how her feelings qualitatively changed from before.
>>272480757She went from spending the whole day with him, all year long, to getting out earlier to maybe meet him in the train station at some point.
>>272480757>they still hang around a lot outside of school though.What? Outside of certain days where she wakes him up, and maybe when she wakes up early, they grew distant during high school. I also like how in chapter 3, it foreshadows how oblivious Hikari really is when certain things are right in her face. Makes me wonder if Hikari really did subconsciously pick up that Yuu was dating someone.
>>272472842This chapter is excellent foreshadowing for how cunty Hikari is going to get in the story.
douki chan was better
>>272481434>My existence as a childhood friend is like oxygen to himOh no no no
>>272423338This was a 9 before? Why?
>>272481908Inoffensively cute. (Unless you're offended by the implication that teenage boys masturbate, I guess.)
>>272481494Chapter 19 really is the biggest red flag on how Hikari deals with things that don't go her way.
>>272481494>>272481984That self-conscious, passive-aggressive pouting to get her way was pure Setsuna, I love it.
>>272423338>>272423956>>272451859>>272472654I know nothing about this manga other than this is a nice realistic reverse trap design
If Hikari still goes for Yuused Goods and Maruto doesn't introduce a 2nd male into the equation it's fucking over. The only value this manga has is as despairkino
>>272423338>Man makes a work of unfiltered Fem-BSS love triangle kino>Retards on /a/ want to inject it with shitty porn rotted doujin tropes or telenova bullshitActually sad to see. If you can't see the WA2 influences you need to read slower. Hikari isn't going to go fuck another guy, they're not gonna start introducing male love rivals. They're going to focus on the leads personal connections. Thankfully there's a few slowreaders in this thread.
>>272481434This are Douki levels of delusions
>>272481684I can't breathe
>>272483961The weak should fear the strong
are non web novel readers just secondaries without a fully educated opinion? i say this as a non WN reader. might pick it up THOUGH
>>272484510fraid so
The twist would have been better if Yami and Yuu were dating still and the entire fight in chapter 21 was Yami trying to break up with Yuu but Yuu refuses.
What worries me the most is Maruto stalling even more with Yuu's flashback arc.
>>272485175The flashback will end with the near end of the conversation of chapter 21. We will get to see Yuu's heart broken at some point.
>>272473236Romance is more sweeter when there is suffering from the background.
>>272423338But in all honesty, her friendship with the FMC is pretty much over, right? unless the FMC can somehow fake not being hurt by the betrayal, I doubt they can be friends.
>>272486813You're expecting too much common sense from a VN writer.
>>272486854The only way I can see them being friends still if Hikari just leaves before, they notice her and just pretend the kiss didn't happen. But I sort of expect her to act like this
>>272485175>stallingGiving the people more of what they want and need that is sorely missing from almost every romcom isn't stalling
>>272487158Talking like this you sound more like a shounenfag who loves their flashbacks than someone who cares about plot progression.
>>272425806Oh that makes a lot of sense
So what the fuck was Yami's gameplan? Break up with Yuu and hope that he's so depressed he accepts Hikari's confession during the school festival? Why not just tell Hikari that Yuu and her were dating?
>>272487456We literally had an anime about that.Except Yuu wasn't an indecisive faggot.
>>272487456just low self esteem type things
>>272487456>gameplanplan?
>>272481640nah
>>272423338What if it turned out that Hikari didn't randomly fall for Yuu and actually gotten manipulated into fall for him? Yuu and Yami are still sex friends so maybe she gave him tips on how to make Hikari conscious about him and see him as a man as part of a game but when Hikari fall for him, Yuu decides to go after Yami. Basically Toradora from the cuck's pov.
>>272487456>Why not just tell Hikari that Yuu and her were dating?Because it would've inevitably ruined their friendship? If the thing from ch. 21 didn't happen, Yuu could've started dating Hikari and the latter would still stay friends with Yami. >>272488581>Hikari didn't randomly fall for Yuu and actually gotten manipulated into fall for him?Things don't work like this. You can't make someone fall in love with someone else. The rest sound too dumb and contradicts what was actually shown.
>>272487652Yuu apparently has the exact same type of going with the flow personality as Jun.
>>272488581Yuu and Yami weren't "sex friends", they were boyfriend and girlfriend. Yuu couldn't even get it up when there was no emotional connection.
>>272488687>Yuu apparently has the exact same type of going with the flow personality as Jun.>Ignore Hikari's txt message to be with Yami.Doubt it.
>>272488725Have you considered he didn't even see it? It's not checked as read.
>>272488725He most likely didn't notice it because he was going after Yami.
>>272477136>Not to the extent you're imagining.Anon, I don't think we're imagining the same thing here. The fact that Hikari can't put a finger on WHY Yuu became attractive to her is the perfect indication of what me and the other anon are talking about — there was a gradual shift in his behavior that made him attractive, not some fucking DBZ aura marking him a non-virgin.>This is like saying people can detect others' liesThis is a fucking retarded comparison because lying is deliberate obfuscation. And personally I do believe that you can fake confidence to an extent, but we pretty clearly see that Yuu can't fake shit.>Humans are really fucking bad at non-verbal communication in generalNo we are actually very fucking good at it. It's just that most of it is subconscious and may not necessarily be accurate, but we are always using body language to communicate.>that's why oratory is the prime skill to have as a public figureIf I were to entertain this argument: a public figure will usually be talking on a stage, too far from an audience for their body language to be easily distinguishable. But also this argument is fucking false, oratory does absolutely make use of body language. Posture, expressions, and gestures are a huge part of maintaining audience engagement and conveying confidence in what you're speaking.
>>272488969That's a neat theory but I brought up the lying thing because the statistics don't change much whether a lie is said with confidence or not. We assume a lot from body language and tend to forego words if we think words and attitude don't match, but we're really bad at reaching an accurate judgement solely through that, mainly because of our many biases or other external factors such as general knowledge of the situation.Yes, we do give a lot of importance to body language. At the same time we're mostly making guesses when interacting with each other and most of these are decisions made moment-by-moment and not over things you're given time to mull over for a bit.We can certainly tell when someone is stressed or relaxed, but we can rarely tell the meaning behind it without additional context. The accuracy in reading the meaning is rarely associated with the actions or words of the person directly in front of you.This discussion reminds me of a conversation me and a research colleague had with a psychologist a while about mental readiness theory and how all the shit written in that paper proved to be useless in over 1000 tests we conducted trying to apply it to our study analyzing 6 different factors. The data simply showed no correlation and the fucking guy kept insisting we were wrong with arguments that sounded a lot "it was in a peer reviewed paper, so it must be right" when in science no theory is absolute and can/should be challenged.Their whole area isn't any better than snake oil peddlers and the statistical models applied to the small samples they use could probably be used by caveman trying to deduce something. Most studies read like they had an answer and tried to find evidence that fits it instead of picking a phenomena and investigating it before drawing a conclusion.
really now?the thread is still alive
>>272488969>The fact that Hikari can't put a finger on WHY Yuu became attractive to her is the perfect indication of what me and the other anon are talking about — there was a gradual shift in his behavior that made him attractive, not some fucking DBZ aura marking him a non-virgin.Or maybe she just entered puberty and finally became aware of the opposite gender.
>>272489944>Or maybe she just entered puberty and finally became aware of the opposite gender.Nah, he just became increasingly indifferent towards her since he got a GF. He was like one of those idiotic romcom protagonist when Yami got a hold of him.
If the theory about Yami breaking up with Yuu for Hikari actually checked out, it’d feel kinda cheap and make you doubt if her feelings were really genuine. But if Hikari wasn’t just some friend and had a role in helping her heal. Two of the most important people in her life, and this whole drama unfolding, pure kino
>>272483768how does WA2 end?praying for cuckquean 3P ending
>>272490766>praying for cuckquean 3P endingno 3P endinggirls are too possessive to share the mc
>>272490705>doubt if her feelings were really genuineThey're genuine enough for her to kiss Yuu in the heat of the moment and linger for a minute or two.
>>272490766It unironically should have had a 3P ending, but anyway, there's a bunch of possible endings. Strangely enough, the happiest one is probably where the MC is the most indecisive and fucks everything up. It clearly leads into a bad ending... but then the epilogue is how he's overcome that part of himself and he's working on his relationship with Setsuna to get better and be happy with her. The two main/final endings are basically Stays with Setsuna and accepts that he loves her, even if not as much as Kazuza. Setsuna knows she's "stolen" him from Kazuza and that she's his true love, but she also knows she loves him, and she's happy with him, and she makes him happy too.Alternatively, you've got the ending where he burns down every single bridge and alienates his entire friend group and family, getting scorn from everyone for doing the plainly wrong thing- where he dumps Setsuna (after 5 years together and with plans to be married) because he knows he can only truly be happy with Kazuza. Equally, Kazuza bears the sin of having destroyed his relationship and all his friendships, but do long as they're together she can accept it. Basically, enormous dramatic moments and huge heart wrenching events. Setsuna's message in the final Kazuza event is a perfect and unbearable callback."I'm still singing."
>>272490945Related You see this scene and go into it thinking it'll be funny and you'll laugh at the cucked girl... but that's not where you end up Best scene in the anime for my money was Kazuza stumbling out of his room the morning after he took her virginity. No words said or needed, but watching her dishevelled expression as she walked with a limp was extremely affecting.
>>272486813She seems nice enough that she could make up with the other two at some point after absorbing the full circumstances. And then sleep with Ta-kun in a moment of mutual weakness, igniting a whole 'nother season of soap-operatics. I'm not saying that just to shitpost, I honestly could see that as a decent drama, if handled well. Not saying it HAS to happen if they make up, either.>>272486854Do you even WA2? The whole premise of that story was that no, functionally, they could not stay friends.>>272487456She likes Hikari's innocent love and didn't want to ruin it for her.>>272490705That's what I'm banking on for the Yami + Hikari flashbacks. Maruto's done this before, so he should know it's an important leg of the triangle.
>>272491041>She likes Hikari's innocent love and didn't want to ruin it for her.But she ruined Yuu's innocent love...
>>272490945Based fellow spoileriffic WA2 enjoyer. Though I doubt Saranami's story will be as expansive, given the format.>>272491144She got better. As long as it was unrequited, the piracy wasn't a lost sale, but now it's like she robbed him of his best life.
>>272491357Damn, Maruto, you can't just Voltron Kazusa's mommy issues and Setsuna's friendship-destroying issues into one girl, that's gotta break some kind of arms-control law. And then pitting her against a childhood friend? Downright handicap abuse.
>>272491627She won before the battle was even beginning.
>>272491144>But she ruined Yuu's innocent love...She was able to give a mutual love in return.To Hikari, however, she can't give back anything.
>>272492143Its not Hikari's fault that her crush is a beta wimp that made no move on her and got bump over an entrance to the point he fucked a random senpai.
>>272488581>Hikari didn't randomly fall for Yuugirls are biologically programmed to like already-taken guys. it's not random at all.
>>272492231It actually is Hikari's fault, because she kept trying to set him up with other girls in middle school. Moving on from someone that doesn't give a fuck about you is not a wrong thing. The fact that he got over her very quickly means it wasn't a big deal to begin with.
>>272430141Stop shilling this NTR cuckshit
>>272492306Anyone got the novel chapter number for where this is mentioned?
>>272492231>beta wimp that made no move on hernot his fault
>>272438223
Why are you all so deadset on villainizing a specific character?It's no one's fault that this happened. It's just normal.
>>272492692I'd say it's the other way round, they are all partly at faullt.
>>272493324at fault for what?
>>272493335For the drama to come.
>>272460098>lol so dude had sex which immediately changed his aura and NOW the FMC suddenly interested in him after the fact?Very realistic.
I just read this.really quick 25 chapters, it's more like 6 normal chapters.It's honestly the author's fault for this whole backlash, it took them a fucking year to get here, obviously the fans that wanted the start all converged in the 10 months until the twist.The story's fine, quite fun to read start to finish, But imagine waiting a whole year for a twist that completely changes the story. The twist isn't ass, it's the timing of it.
>>272439718Imagine if the genders were reversed, everyone here would tear their hair out in anger
>>272494350Very true, I am totally supportive of this story but if the genders were reversed I would just drop and blacklist the author.This is a double standard I support, more cuckqueans, but cuckolds a pathetic trash.
>>272494398>This is a double standard I support>mfw i see >>272447688
>>272425806>SaekanoI found the MC annoying and so never got into itWhat happens in it?
>>2724942078.5 months, but yeah.
>one is called Yami>the other Hikariwoah....also Yomu's art is ugly
>>272496340NO YUU
>>272494398Based
>Yami: No, you’re supposed to be with Hikari, I’m dirty and used>Yuu: BY ME
>>272497630I don't care what anyone says, the love switcheroo trope is almost always kino.
>>272494350If genders were reversed no one would read this because 90% of pages would be art glamming up male mc like some shoujo or yaoi shit
>>272497816If genders were reversed Yami-kun wouldn't even resemble a sympathetic character, would just be a gyaru-oh with a shit-eating grin who just wants to fuck Yuu-chan.
>>272498416>main girl is smiling blonde beauty with long intricate hair>adversary is mousy gloomy mean girl with short dark hairgender switcheroo>protagonist is mousey gloomy otaku with dark hair>rival is popular smilng social blonde gyaru-oh who sportsballs
>>272494640Childhood friend tsundere used to be too tsundere and caused MC social isolation, despite that they had a mutual secret crush on each other. By the start of the series, MC has gotten over those feelings and begins to fall for main girl, despite childhood friend thinking she still has a chance. For main girl, she actually does start to fall for MC as the series goes on, goes along with his hobbies, helps with his passion project. When all of the other girls abandon him for another project, she sticks by his side. But then he ends up standing her up on her birthday date because the other girls need his help, and leaving their passion project on hold. Lots of drama all around. Still wins despite MC not deserving her.
>>272498761What the fuck is up with Maruto and girls being stood up on their birthdays? Is he going to do it to Hikari as well?
I remember a story with this twist, kinda.Highly recommend it. It's about a loner guy teaching a popular girl how to have fun alone, and then she falls in love, but he already has a girlfriend, the second book is all about how he met his girlfriend which is the girl sitting right behind him in class, hearing day-in-day-out the popular girl inviting her boyfriend to dates.
>>272499001>loner guy>already has a girlfriendpremise ruined
>>272428765So Setsuna got hurt in the worst way because two indecisive faggot couldn't made up their mind and used her as a foli.
>>272460464All I see are two horney teen who just fucking one another to get away from their issues, I don't see any actual chemistry between them.
>>272500798>I don't see any actual chemistry between them.Despite it clearly being there.
>>272501529That was a good jab. I totally thought she was getting mad at the bottom there, until we saw her bawling on the next page.
>>272498761>Childhood friend tsundere used to be too tsundere and caused MC social isolation, despite that they had a mutual secret crush on each other.I’ve been wanting to read Eriri’s manga for a while, but I’ve only heard negative reviews.
>>272498639>>272498416>dark-haired handsome & rich older guy who acts seductive but secretly has a vulnerable, wounded heart tries to 'corrupt' the mc but ends up catching feelings for her
>>272503776A nice-guy male childhood friend would be so hilariously outgunned in this matchup that it wraps back around to underdog shounen MC plot armor.
>>272456367Yeah, I've never got the impression that Kazusa was decisively the main girl. Setsuna's route seems to question the concept of true love itself while Kazusa's goes all in on it but I don't think the narrative ever implied one ending is truer than the other.
>>272500561No. Setsuna immediately noticed their feelings for each other and still chose to get between them, knowing the pain it would cause.
>>272504395So then the story is written from yami's PV up until the twist that no, he's not the one Yuu-chan liked all that time ago, it was Hikari. And then we get Hikari's POV
>>272498639To be fair many stories are already written like that. Smiley sweet rival guy is as common as tsundere brooding rival>gyaruoHikari isn't even a gyaru. And charao or super flashy men aren't usually the other guy, they're way more normal
>>272489987It's this, Yuu had a massive inferiority complex towards Hikari and his lack of confidence and maturity are likely why she only saw him as a childhood friend rather than a man. Getting laid and dating Yami presumably helped him get over his insecurities, resulting in the more mature, confident, and laidback Yuu we saw in the early chapters. Which of course is ironically why Hikari ever began to start to crush on him in the first place. Also in a way Yuu did catch up to and even surpass Hikari in that she's still stuck in the headspace of childlike romantic fantasies, whereas Yuu has already been in a real relationship.
>>272423338Since this thread seems to bring about men of taste, do anons have any other reccs for similar set ups? Looking for more Reverse NTR where the girl is too passive or waits too long, or tsundere attitude just pushes the guy away.
>>272497779I didn't know the searchable term for it, so thanks for that.
Hikari will slap Yami
We haven't yet seen the conversation in the room, but from the comments I can see a lot of retards seething about Yami's betrayal.I think one of the author's mistake is making Yami the one kissing Yuu, as in she's the one that knows Hikari has a crush so her initiating the kiss is the betrayal.It it was Yuu instead, there wouldn't be that aspect, because he doesn't know Yami is Hikari's friend.But, honestly, either way these pureminded souls would still bombard the reviews to hell and back.Since chapter 21, the rating has dropped from 8.2 to 6.3, lol.
>>272509322Having Yuu initiate would remove the suspense of what his current preference is, though.
>>272509484True, we'll see.I was thinking more that he still wants Yami and nothing more because Hikari hasn't changed at all, but this'll force Hikari to expose her feelings which will make Yuu's feelings for her resurface.
Yami did nothing wrong
Hikari is a sweet girl and she did nothing wrong.
>>272509889Poor girl got hit with insanely bad timing
No one did anything wrong, except the wholesomefags whose sin is existing
>>272509889her pigtails are an affront to god
>>272509889Ryonachads...do your job...
>>272509322>>272509484Yuu does kiss back. Did you speedrun the kissing scene
>>272510542That's merely like cumming from rape, still not on the same level as initiating.
>>272511157Not from Hikari’s POV
>>272511316He just holds the kiss and leans forward.Hikari can only guess that he isn't opposed to it, that's all.We can only say that maybe he wasn't the one that broke up with Yami and/or still hold feelings for her.
>>272511440>>272511316hikari is probably not in the right state of mind to be noticing or processing those kind of details either way desu
Hikari only started caring about Yuu after he started dating Yami.
>>272512624why do people have these insane opinions? She didn't know he was dating her. Hell, WE don't know if he was dating her. For all we know they had some kind of fight that we'll find out about in the next couple of chapters and they haven't seen each other since.
What if Hikari starts touching herself while a single bead of sweat slides down her face
>>272512726She started seeing him in a different light just after middle school ended as per her own admission which is literally when he lost his V card and started dating Yami. His attitude and the way he carried himself around Hikari probably changed a lot after he finally moved on and thats %100 why she took notice. >Hell, WE don't know if he was dating her.We do. Yami calls him his ex boyfriend not her ex-one night stand.
>>272500561>>272504784This story wouldn't have happened if he didn't love Setsuna too. Their love is different but the fact he really cannot say "no" to Setsuna is proof. And the Twinkle Snow alternative world bullshit where Setsuna pulls back, the retard chases her and cheats on Kazusa because that's the type of person that fuck-up is.
>>272514241Have you ever heard the saying "Distance makes the heart grow fonder"?It's much simpler to justify her love growing and changing because he wasn't glued to Yuu 24/7 after going to different schools rather than whatever bullshit about Yuu manning up after Yami.
>>272515290Naw, she smelt a different in Yuu, that's why.
>>272515120Nah. Even Setsuna admits that without her, Kazusa and Haruki would have naturally ended up together slowly but surely. Setsuna deserves a better man than Haruki’s indecisive ass honestly.
>>272516462Then explain why Maruto even bothered writing Twinkle Snow if not trying to prove a point? But you're right, in an scenario where Haruki never went after Setsuna in the rooftop everything would've ended happily. Meeting her was the first mistake.
>>272494350Absolutely. I would have instantly dropped it if the genders were reversed.But then, look at how many battle shounen get ripped to shreds for not having good enough female characters, while practically zero shojo series have good male characters. Double standards are normal.
>>272494398There's an endless raft of shounen stories where the gimmick is that the FMC isn't a virgin while the MC is. There's very, very few series where the MC isn't a virgin and the FMC is.
>>272500561Setsuna hurt herself because>She knows that Kazuza is his true love and he loves her in a way she can't reach >Despite that she's still in love with him and acts to make him hers The guilt of having (in her mind) stolen him from Kazuza is why she's always willing to forgive him even when he stands her up on her birthday to fuck Kazuza Despite what it may sound like though, what makes WA2 so compelling is that the characters are all so completely realised. They do dumb, horrible and wonderful things and they're always things that are true to the character they are every single time. It's an incredibly affecting story, it will sit with you for years if you let it in.
>>272515120He does not. He tries to maintain the trio's friendship for her sake, not understanding how it hurts her. Then she finally snaps and mouthrapes him, knowing she's just burning everything down for a last, tiny chance at winning, and wakes up screaming in bed before she can see what happens next.>>272517065Because remember: no happy ending.
>>272506945Funny enough, from Onodera's perspective, Nisekoi is BSS NTR.>She and Raku are in love>Things never quite work out to become a couple>The story details him falling out of love with her and falling for Chitoge >She makes the wedding cake
It's pretty fucking obvious that Hikari will go the Nice Boat Route. She's too self-centered and actually thought that Yuu's entire life revolved around her. Him picking Yami is too much for Hikari
>>272517732And you know he will do the worst. because it's in him to do it.
>>272517732Oh, and in Japanese the pronouns in the last scene are ambiguous. You cannot tell if it's Haruki or Setsuna who woke up in that scene.
>>272517981I just reread it before posting >>272517732, and you are wrong. The TL's been improved since I last looked, but even then, I don't see any way to misinterpret the scene, since 1) it involves her tactically handing him a basket to hold before going in for his unprotected face, and 2) it has an accompanying picture of his surprised face.
>>272509889She waited too long, it's in the title.
>>272518265Yeah, I just reread it. I was wrong about who initiated. But the original transcript:>軽く頭をふると、彼女はベッドから身体をゆっくりと起こし、先ほどまでの曖昧な記憶を反芻する。>…いや、彼かもしれない。>…それとも、彼でもあり、彼女でもあったかもしれない。>それでも彼は、彼女は、It keeps shifting on telling it was her or him who is the POV of this last scene and ends by going with both. Repeated in such way later:>もう、何度繰り返したかわからないけれど…>それでも彼は、彼女は、未だに三人が求める答えに辿り着けず、こうして夜ごとに罪を購い続ける。
>>272518104It's a long shot. She'd have to use all her feminine wiles to guilt-trip him into some obligation-based Cheating Route five years early.>>272518130Funny, I had a theory at one point that it was ambiguous enough to be Kazusa, but really, the most direct implication is it's just Setsuna, since the preceding kiss scene was narrating her mental state.
>>272480122>She was used to being around him all the time. Now they're in different schools and she started realizing how much he was part of her life.honestly I'd be tempted to cheer for her with this motive and if in her flashbacks >>27246250 she was remorseful about not being supportive or smiled at the memory of who he was even back then. But without that ot just seems like she doesn't truly care about him.
>>272518668meant >>272462509
>>272517767Would be fucking Kino, it would be the ultimate deconstruction of romcoms
>>272518649The problem is that the core of the whole thing fits all three. They all are the type of people who would cheat like that and would go along with the situation.>>272518754School Days already did it. All situations possible too:>killing the guy>killing the other woman>killing herself in a way to traumatize the other twoIt's not going to be that creative if it went that way. Unironically, the most unique way to follow this would be for Hikari simply cut-off Yami entirely making the other spiral down before perceiving that she made a choice that she needs to stick with otherwise it was all pointless.
>>272518668>>272518722I just think she didn’t have any interest in romance, and Yuu changing subtly and being indifferent towards her is what made her fall in love.
>>272518444Ahh, now that I look at the TL again, your post explains what some of the clumsier parts were trying to get across, without success.
>>272518872There was something similar in WA2-lite, also known as OreGaIru, in volume 10 where there are segments that could fit Hachiman, Yukino, Hayama or Haruno. In the anime they even have all the 4 VAs voicing over that segment in the episode previews.In hindsight it's so obvious how much OreGaIru tooks inspiration from WA2 it's crazy.
>>272518851Hikari could guilt trip the both of them? That would let her have all the leverage
>>272518851School Days also did >Whichever Heroine you don't favour gets raped by your best friend and hides it from youIt's impossible and pointless to try outdo School Days in trashy sholck.
>>272519246I thought that was the worse outcomes?
>>272519508You're correct. That's usually what happens before a murder ending.
>>272487652Thanks for the recc, checking it out now
>>272518851>All situations possible too:I sort of just want Hikari to say Yuu and her are dating to their families and Yuu has to play along with it due to peer pressure.
>>272519623so far the dumper sister is awful
>>272520166ok younger sister who was too late and didn't confess is actually better plus she realized it was her fault for being too slow
>>272520262honestly would stop hanging out with either of the twins after being heartbroken like that
>>272509889>Hikari is a sweet girl and she did nothingExactly.
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