Welcome back everybody. TodayChapter 68: Toilet and BathLast Thread (Chapters 64-67): >>275001378
>>275139341>I'll make Kiyoshi even more popularMy man, it isn't popular to begin with, and if you could do that, why haven't you?
Araichads where we at?
>>275139510She couldn't just call for an appointment herself like normal people?
>>275139633You put too much faith on the Aspergirl herself
>>275139307Takagi cant handle all that
>>275139633To be fair if you're trying to get your foot in the door it's better to use any connection you have.
>>275139597Hustlemin A will definitely be a hit, look at that design.
>>275139759Look at that, a writer not needing to make a name.
>>275139822Using the word names for storyboards always sounds so weird to me
>>275139799>>275139834Aoki continues to be the cutest by a mile no matter what she's doing, even thinking about washing her ass.
Happy Aoki!!
This manga needs to turn into a battle action fucking soon. I demand 6 chapters in the next 15 minutes
>>275139597>instantly in a gagbowl
And that's all folks, very chill chapter compared to the last ones (thank god). Are you reading any dailies/storytimes besides /bkmn/?See ya later
>>275140037Again, Yoshida having an issue with Shizuka seems weird.
>>275140058Sorry anon, gotta recharge my energy inbetween chapters
>>275140037What...?
>>275139834>Fukuda turns Aoki's MC into a japenis herbivoreand here I thought he was based
>>275139834cute
>>275140089I usually latch on to one daily at a time, using it as my sole excuse for continue coming to /a/
>>275140089This one and One Piece.The main OP threads are way too autistic, especially during break weeks, so it's been fun to be able to actually talk about the story in them.
>>275140089I was following the Toriko storytime and I'm currently reading the Jojo one.
>>275140211Depending how it's written it's fine.Guy could be borderline rapist because that's what women like, and think men are like.Tone that shit down.
>>275139372Nakai bros, we are still playing with the good guys!
>>275140089>Are you reading any dailies/storytimes besides /bkmn/?besides bakuman, only jojo
I wasn't able to post in the previous chapter, but that last chapter was pretty dogshit. Treating Aoki like some fragile doll who can't interact with people, setting up the moe guy to be as lecherous as possible and have Fukuda "come to the rescue" even as they were already leaving, and Fukuda punching Nakai not for the disgusting manipulation with Aoki, but because Nakai got complacent? All because of the pantyshot mandate? It's absurd and not even in an entertaining way.At least this chapter is laying the ground for some fun stuff in the future.
>>275140089Can someone remind me when did the daily storytime threads started really popping up? They existed here and there before, but I feel like at some point in the last decade they became more common than ever
>>275140089>Are you reading any dailies/storytimes besides /bkmn/?Bakuman, JoJo and Spirit Circle. I was thinking of reading Kinnikuman but I didn't like the scans, official never ever, I guess.
>>275141281During covid many storytimes were done, and they've become regular features since.
>>275140089I'm waiting on JoJo to get to part4 because that's where I left off like 10 years ago.
>>275139372why did he open the door when he is poopin?
>>275139871>on her ownwhy lie?
>>275141281with the 2018 yotsuba dailyhttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/172288741/#172370037https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/172431587/#172431587which is currently doing gal and dinohttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274976255/#274976255if i'm not mistaken
>>275139919even 50 years ago no one said woot.
>>275139410Why do they have to keep putting the character faces in every single time a series is mentioned as if readers are totally incapable of remembering which series is which?
>>275140037>gotta have new stuff so we can cancel the currently running stuff
>>275143951Always assume the worst from consumers
>>275139871I wish they would actually show the fucking improved scenes instead of just talking about it
>>275139799Fukuda is close to edging out Nizuma as best character in this series.
>>275143893I did
>>275140091He might seem harsh but he's been shown to have good instincts.
>>275139799When I read this part I thought she'd end up with Fukuda instead of Hiramaru, they have much better chemistry
>>275139307the ashirogi studio is finally settled down
>>275139533He's a confrontational person. He needs a target to light his ass on fire >>275143951It's cute and reinforces memory especially for occasional magazine readers. I probably wouldn't have remembered the Cheese Crackers guy if not for >>275139919>>275142117Most likely she didn't tell him about Fukuda
>>275140579Agreed fellow OPbro. But i do notice the autism starting to creep in since we got to PH and it's starting to feel more and more like the main OP thread.
>>275141194>aokithey are just being cautious around a woman that was already having trouble with men before the nakai shit being introduced to the biggest pile of human garbage they know>fukudayou just don't understand how a real man thinks especially when his rival has lost his way
>>275141194Ishizawa was always a douche. This was never going to end well so they were right to be worried. Dunno what Miyoshi saw in him to push the idea so hard.
>>275145942Having never read this series before these threads, the idea of seeing how the hell she'll fall for hiramaru sounds hilarious.
>>275146828>>275146922Right, but those reasons alone aren't enough to simply NOT do that meeting, we gotta have Aoki sign off on it and have the scenario where she gets sexually harassed in order to be rescued. Otherwise we just don't have this scenario we absolutely have to include in the manga about mangamaking, we have to have someone in-universe further objectify her fuck your buzzwords responses, that's exclusively what Ishizawa was doing and you know it>you just don't understand how a real man thinksI unfortunately do, and their priorities are fucked up if their first thought at hearing that scumbag shit Nakai pulled is "man he's lost his way with manga :("
>>275140089Thank you for posting.
>>275147292Fukuda even said he doesn't particularly like Aoki and he doesn't seem the type to get too angry about nakai being a scumbag to a woman until it gets to the point ishizawa was at
>>275145942Yeah, it's like Jo and Laurie all over again. What works great in fiction and leaves an audience rooting for a couple mag not work in real life or what the author wants.I always did like,e how they're called Team Fukuda. He's 100% the protag in his own series and this is his team.
>>275139878>Aoki continues to be the cutest by a mile no matter what she's doing, even thinking about washing her ass.She's way cuter like this then stoic, that's for sure.
>>275140089Thank you OP!I'm currently following Sesuji wo Pin! and Jojo. I would like to participate in more of them but i simply don't have the time. I might try to catch up on Spirit Circle since i have liked Mizukami's other works.
Does Aoki end up with anyone at the end?
>>275150283Yeah, with ___me___
>>275139799>>275139834>>275139871It's so funny to me that the authors clearly intended this to be her ship, and Hiramaru to be a joke.The delinquent and the rich/pure girl, it's all setup. But Hiramaru was clearly way better received and everyone liked him, so they just pivoted to that instead. I have to agree, it's a fantastic ship, I'm glad he got to be happy.
>>275150388spoilers anon
>>275146828>before the nakai shit Honestly, it's a rough thing what happened to Nakai's character. He was given a positive story to begin with, and then he just kept getting dragged back to play villain roles.He got a pretty undeserved happy ending though, so it's all good I guess.
>>275141194I think it's fine that they went with Aoki. Not just for Aoki's sake but maybe even for Takagi. The last time Takagi and Ishizawa interacted, Takagi punched the latter square in the face. As for Fukuda punching Nakai, i think that's fairly straightforward. Fukuda already expressed that he doesn't care that much about the love lives of his rivals, but the fact that Nakai who was so happy that he got serialized is now fine with being just an assisstant must have pissed him off since Fukuda acknowledges Nakai's skill.
>>275139341He's so tsundere that it's ridiculous.
>>275142058Power move.
>>275139372>Fukuda still thinks of Nakai as being on the team
>>275139657Is Miura just giving up on Takahama?
>>275139799>>275139834Is this the cutest Aoki has been so far?I think so.
>>275140089Bakuman, Jojo, Tomie, Naruto, and I was reading the Toriko storytime.
>>275140854I wish we could actually see what the chapters are like so we could contextualize the advice.Like, yeah, it's easy to make fun of Miura because he keeps demanding more and more gags, but maybe that's good advice. We don't know what Tanto is like because we never see it.
>>275146922How well did Miyoshi even know Ishizawa?She might have not realized what a terrible idea it was to expose Aoki to him and thought Takagi was exaggerating.
>>275140089>Are you reading any dailies/storytimes besides /bkmn/?One Piece currently, and I was there for last year's Death Note, Our Precious Conversations, and Darren Shan.
>>275150388I don't think Fukuda is the type into older women though
>>275152867Kinda seems like it.
>>275150388>It's so funny to me that the authors clearly intended this to be her shipPlease, stop this dumbass shipping.We just had a relationship drama with her and Fukuda said he would have done the same for everyone in his team.Would you also say the same if it was for Hiramaru?
>>275156029maybe he is a piece of shit editor
>>275152867It's basically the start where Ohba also gives up on Miura as editor.
>>275140089>Are you reading any dailies/storytimes The only ones beside this one I’ve been reading lately are the Jiro Matsumoto storytimes. Hopefully the anon who dumps Shigurui does it again soon because I’ve been wanting to reread that.
>>275152867>workplace filled with drama caused by the fat fuck you thought was going to be a temp>can't come up with any more gags (AT LEAST THREE PER PAGE)>editor who told you to put more gags in also gives up on you because he's early career and obsessed with proving himself with a hitTakahama really got shafted in this arc.
>>275139965It's nice seeing Aoki keeping up with the bantz
>>275157311There are only a handful of people who get a satisfying conclusion in this manga.
>>275157311I really like the business boy one shot too
>>275157184he really hates fat guys for some reason
>>275158478Miura isn't even that fat.It's only his face.
>>275139307I can't really explain it but Miyoshi's face here is kinda a sign that Obata's found his way of drawing everyone that'll stay pretty consistent until the end. Everything seems a lot softer.
>>275140037>only 8 new series submissionsthat always seemed overly harsh to me. Assuming 3 series got in, that means 5 people wasted drawing 100 pages and either need to change it all over again and hope it gets in next time or draw something completely new, while not being payed for any of it of course.It's one thing if the number of submissions depend entirely on the authors themselves, but telling editors to pressure artist to draw something they know has a 80% chance to not get approved is just evil(but I get it, it's a business) In my opinion they should strive towards quality instead of quantity
>>275139704It's the consequence of his actions.
>>275140089I was thinking about reading Naruto in them, but they used color pages and the activity seems rather low despite its popularity. I missed a few days and then I didn't care anymore>imageboobies
Goodnight /bkmn/
>>275158946The manga artists under contract like Ashirogi remain on the payroll. If they're not drawing manga aiming for a series, they're siphoning money.
>>275153112Yeah, she probably only knows two things about Ishizawa: Draws illustrations/comics, got punched by Takagi.
>>275161505Meant for >>275153156Sorry. But i do agree that seeing more of the worked on manga would be both fun and give us more insight into just what kind of series it is. I feel like the only reason we don't get them is because it would be more work somehow or maybe they cut them because they wouldn't be able to focus on the characters (and drama).
>>275159925Oyasumi.
>>275160606that's true, but how many of them are there? 2-3 series get axed per quarter, right? that means around 10 artist are on payroll without being serialized, and that's assuming they were getting axed towards the beginning of a contract year, thus it is likely less than 10.From those 10, and a few newcomers, 8 already submitted something. Yeah, math doesn't look good in favor of Shueisha. Like I said, instead of just shitting out rushed manga over manga, instead try to get the artist to teach each other, or to get them to collaborate.
>>275161578I think it's because of something we discussed in a previous thread, and that, in cases like Bakuman, you need to tell not show."This manga here is the best comedy" but at the end Ohba can only go by their own opinion or statistics, and we know statistics suck in regards to what is popular. Meaning, if Ohba/Obata were to draw something and say "this one is good" and the readers think "Wait, this is shit" the reader will get confused "Is this really meant to be good, but Obata wasn't able to portray it, or was it meant to be shit but the characters in the story mistakenly think it is good?"Meaning, if you just tell "this manga that is only shown offscreen is really good" we can believe that judgement at face value.
>>275162005It's worse than that.Shueisha can renew the contract regardless of if mangaka have a series on-going, to ensure they don't leave for another publisher.
>>275162005The number builds up over the years. Even Kawaguchi Taro was kept on for a while before getting cut when it became obvious they wouldn't be able to get another series out of him.They're essentially subsidizing authors until they can produce a hit and ensuring they don't get poached by other companies.
>>275139307Let's be honest.If that drama did not happen and Takagi kept meeting Aoki behind Myoshis back, what would be the chance Takagi would have ended up cheating after all?
>>275158896Which is a shame, I really liked fat lips Miyoshi
>>275163464He said the attraction with Aoki was mutual so make of that what you will
>>275139447>Crow is slumping so much otters overtook itNever noticed this, even on previous re-reads.If we consider Crow is a consistent 2nd~3rd normally, even a slump couldn't have put him lower than 6th.Hiramaru being a joke character who does gag manga we never really get his numbers or and aspect of how popular otters is, but with how a lot of the jokes are (spend all your money so you have to keep working!), They only work if it's super popular.
>>275165526I think the latest part where we heard about how Otters was doing was it slipping down.The spending money jokes aren't that related to success, because while sales can help on getting money, you still have the standard fees, and the idea that Yoshida is intentionally driving him to debt to force him to work.
Back to dead threads huh.
>>275168494It's a smaller, chiller chapter than the shitshow that was the last arc, there's not that much to talk about
>>275168494well we are a gag manga now of course the threads are dead...
what do you guys mean, this is pretty standard for a bakuman thread
>>275168975God damn, Miura
>>275168494There's less to discuss when your main characters stop being retarded for a bit.
Did I hear someone call the MCs retarded? Here I am thus. TodayChapter 69: Relationship and Home
I'd sign that license. For Kaya
>>275170116Nakai fucked up
>>275169944Buttermanbros...
>>275170013and Nakai falls down even further
>>275170339what a dick
Pots and kettles Takagi
>>275170256>What series will they assign me now?Give him One Piece, he can't possibly do anything to ruin it.
>>275170339Blacklisted, surely.
>>275170491>Give him One Piece, he can't possibly do anything to ruin it.>gagsit was him all along, he is the reason for gear 5
>>275170581he finally recognized his downfall, just to end up even worse after this
Will this be the end of Nakai? Find out next chapter of /Bkmn/. See you tomorrow
>>275170532I bet those apples will never come
Nakaicoin down the fucking gutter.
>>275170943Meanwhile Araicoin RISING THE FUCK UP LETS GOOO
This arc is so fucking flaccid.
>>275170618It's over.It's been over.
>>275170618EXIT
>>275170157jesus fucking christ I forgot how utterly shit he was.
>>275170157>GrinMy sides
>>275170116God It's double shitty of Nakai here since this guy just lost his serialization and he's still being so self-centered.He's his senior and knows how much it fucking sucks to lose something like that, but doesn't even console him.
>>275170618EXIT for now
>>275158946>while not being payed for any of it of courseIf they gave out a stipend to everyone who attempted to get in then someone could game that system and just shit out nonsense to scrape in the stipends. Also, pressuring artists for submissions isn't asking them to throw away their work, it's taking a chance. If they've GOT an editor it means they show promise, and some authors won't know they have lightning in a bottle until it debuts. It's a creative field so it has a lot of burnout to it, but it's also a great medium for expression, asking artists to make something to express knowing there's no assurances it finds purchase isn't evil. Now, the mandated 19-pages-a-week and only the absolute best or most medically necessary getting the hiatuses and regular breaks they need not to just collapse from it all? That's the evil part. Pursuing serialization is fine, the serialization itself, where you're locked into a brutal work schedule that erases any social life even if you're successful, that's the worst part.
>>275170661Nakai here reminds me of when you see a friend after a long time and they've gone to shit.Like, you're happy to see them, but it's always sad. Alot of my old friends are getting fatter and developing sleep apnea, saying 'it sucks getting old' when they aren't even 30, haven't started families, and they seem to have lost most of their passions.The friend I used to collaborate on neat little side projects like Halo 3 Machimia and comics is now pretty obese and is a chronic gamer(the autistic kind who has max level classes/crafts in FFXIV) who's always in the process of getting his life together, but only has internet friends. And it sucks because whenever we all get together and play board games I can still see that talent he has for being tricky and charismatic. All that potential, just GONE.
>>275170013>how could she have led me on this whole timeDo not pass Go, do not collect $200, go directly to fuck yourself, Nakai.
>>275170581>>275170618I like that Nakai at least seem to show remorse. Thanks to Mashiro worrying about him, I can still feel some empathy toward him. I wish both of them had interacted more to make this more convincing but I can believe it regardless.Let me say this again. I fucking hate what they've done to this character.
>>275170590>gear 5 ruined-Opinion safely discarded, Gear 5 is kino.
>>275169944>series canceled>has to deal with awkward as fuck flirtingtakahama is suffering
>>275170618he deserved a redemption damn it
>>275170013Incel before incels were even a thing
>>275173719Incels have always been a thing, they just didn't collectively identify themselves as such.
>>275170581so she came on his motorcycle riding holding him from behind?
>>275169982>I only like younger guyspedo
>>275170084What did Hiramaru even do?>>275172085Nakai never really cared about anyone not female. Didn't even visit Mashiro at the hospital.
>>275173984It's fine when a woman does it.
>>275168494It gets better with PCP, I didn't even remember Tanto was a thing
>>275174007>What did Hiramaru even do?he showed up and said he would help with panty shots too but ended up not doing anything
>>275174007Comic relief support
>>275170471since when has being good at drawing ever gotten artists girls?
>>275174239That's because Ashirogi cancels Tanto on their own volition
>>275170295
>>275174007>Nakai never really cared about anyone not female. Didn't even visit Mashiro at the hospital.back when he was actually hardworking
>>275174351I meant I read and watched the series years ago but completely forgot they even did Tanto.
>>275174007>What did Hiramaru even doHe gave Fukada a ride, an incredibly vital role.
>>275170618This does sound like a temporary exit, really.He's showing remorse, and while he's sticking to his guns on leaving, it's clear he has regrets.
>>275174891pretty sure he came in on his own bike
>>275175966technically he does come back, but gets even worse
>>275176961I know, and I hate it.
>>275170581>>275170618>despite everything both Fukuda and Aoki showed upBoth softies at heart. Nakai really fucked up badly though so I doubt anything could have been done at this stage. He really fucked over Takahama with his antics and squandered that opportunity with Aoki by demanding a relationship in exchange for work.>>275173671Well there are at least enough snippets by the end to suggest that Yoshida would be able to tard wrangle him into self-improvement. It's played up for laughs but we do see him lose some weight in pursuit of Aoki's older sister who looks exactly like her and totally exists as Yoshida claims.
>>275170471I really forgot what a cunt Takagi was throughout the story.Yes, Nakai is a shithead, but you aren't any better in that regard.
Takahama is one poor sacrificial lamb.
>>275177631Takagi treated Miyoshi pretty poorly in the last arc but a) he's half Nakai's age and b) he was keeping secrets from his partner not lusting after everything with a pussy. Nakai is behaving far more egregiously especially since like >>275177408 pointed out he left Takahama in the lurch, at least Takagi's motives were relatively pure
>>275177631meh I'm with him, why bother with Nakai? He isn't your problem
>>275170339>All the trash piled around him.Mans living like he´s Togashi without any of the success.
>>275178124>not lusting after everything with a pussyHe did though, didn't he
>>275170618Nakai found hanging dead in the closet arc soon.
>>275178459No, just Aoki, which was because he has much more common ground with her than the local gorilla.Not that it would necessarily work out or anything, of course.
>>275178474he's too heavy to hang himself
>>275177408he lost major amount of weight if I recall, he's still stated as one of the best artists, why didn't he just team up with a writer?
>>275170256Hackrai with another u19 specialhow does he do it.
>>275178661Anon, the weight if anything makes it easier, how do you think hanging works?
>>275176927You’re right, I forgot. He really didn’t do anything lol
>>275178824the rope and ceiling still needs to support your weight
>>275178474>implying a clothing rod could hold his weight
>>275178980>>275179171Just needs to hold the initial drop to get the job done, but Nakai even failing at that also seems fitting.
>>275178951emotional support
>>275179389fat neck will prevent that too
>>275178402Did he even clean it before leaving?
>>275179690I doubt it.
>>275178693I recall one of the editors later on saying he's pretty much blacklisted after all the trouble he caused (at least until Yoshida gives him a chance). And as we see later in his return he becomes more of a scumbag with using his skills to chase after girls or give the ones he works with preferential treatment when he works for Nanamine. There's nothing stopping him from looking for a writer himself but he's a lazy fat fuck who lacks motivation and passion.
>>275162042Yeah, that sounds like the most logical reason.
There were loads of goofy faces this chapter.
I really enjoy Miura and Yamahisa's rivalry.
>>275170197>it's seems we were both too green
>>275170197I don't remember if Takahama does something new after this, I remember he tries to change editor but does he get a new series after?
>>275182299From what I recall he works as an assistant on Tanto, keeps working with Miura on a new series, and eventually makes Mikata's Justice soon after PCP gets serialized.
>>275182798Ah right the Ace Attorney "knockoff" Its a shame it doesn't exist IRL, its such a fun idea
>>275139834flustered yet determined aoki is so cute
I fucking love Yoshida[/spoiler
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>>275172987Is not. Its fucking stupid, not funny like the majority of stuff in OP, its plain stupid.
>>275169982Brutal
>>275169835>BB Kenichi is about to be axedOnce again, I feel bad for Takahama and how much Miura treats him like a lost cause.
>>275181726>>275181668he's good at those
>>275180362he's just a punching bag, it sucks
>>275173642>flirtingNakai is fat, so it's actually sexual harassment.
>>275174007>Nakai never really cared about anyone not female. Didn't even visit Mashiro at the hospital.Oh fuck... I didn't realize at the time...
>>275170197>too greenGETOUTOFMYHEADGETOUTOFMYHEADGETOUTOFMYHEADGETOUTOFMYHEADGETOUTOFMYHEADGETOUTOFMYHEAD
>>275170532>>275170581At least Nakai is actually capable of self-awareness and feeling ashamed of how terrible he's been.A lot of people like him are complete rats who'll try to stick around, atone at little as humanly possible, and keep trying to get what they want.Nakai having the decency to realize he fucked up and nobody wants him is at least a somewhat redeeming quality.
>>275187661he learns nothing from this
>>275189480might be futile, nothing much to talk about
>>275187883Fuck.
>>275187373We are not doing that meme
>>275170532>>275170581>>275170618The ending here had more dignity than the rest of this, as well as the Takagi "cheating" arc.
>>275191103hes right though. its not both ways so hes literally just harrassing her. in the work place.
>>275191540>hes right thoughHe is not though, because his only reasoning is that Nakai is fat.
>>275172987the idea behind the power is fine, and even though I made fun of the gag nature, that could have been okay too, It's clear what Oda was trying to do. But the execution was horrible. Oda only knows 3 cartoon slapstick jokes and reuses them over and over again and it completely ruins Luffys personality, where he has been retconned into a maniac laughing retard
>>275191103too bad
>>275174308>since when has being good at drawing ever gotten artists girls?a lot of times when you're in a group of strangers/classmates/coworkers etc. and the topic comes you are drawing, there is usually one or two girls who say if you can draw them. But even if you whip up a quick sketch with available materials there(which is usually just a notepad page and a pencil) the topic then quickly stops and everyone forgets you exist. Thus to some lonely guy they will think "Oh my god, girls payed attention to me because I can draw well!" when in reality no one really cares aftrer those initial 5 minutesI learned this lesson several times in life
>>275192042fucking kek
>>275190218Let me tell you a tale, once there was a daily where alongside others, we kept bumping until there was 4 threads.
>>275172987gear 5 sucks because the gomu gomu no mi not being actually rubber makes the enel fight retarded
>>275192194Tbf the way it was handled didn't make any sense even back then, but I am not excusing gear 5
>>275192194It's a god with the properties of rubber, so still rubberlike how Phoenix has the properties of fire(and healing on top of that)
>>275182798>>275183503I totally forgot about Takahama, but the guy is a real trooper with interesting manga ideas. Pleasant surprise honestly.
>>275170618honestly, he will do well in other market wink wink
>>275143893don't make me post megatokyo at you
>>275192282>god with the properties of rubber>Nika the Sun GodLol
>>275193290>A bird that is made of flames can reincarnate>Because...uh...it just can,okay?The only difference between Nika and other godly beings is that Nika is made up by Oda. There is plenty to criticize about Gear 5, this is not one of those things
>>275192282>like how Phoenix has the properties of fire(and healing on top of that)>a Phoenix with rhe properties of a phoenix Ok?
>>275193493>a Nika with the properties of a Nikathis is how stupid you sound
>>275193290>all of Egyptian gods have funky animal heads despite what does an eagle have to do with the sun and moon, what does a crocodile know of judging souls>Hindu deities have more arms than the number of Hindu deities and even more animal hybrids>a trickster deity from Africa is a spider and from countless cultures are foxes>Norse gods can shapeshift into beasts and human disguises>the myriad Japanese deities are varying in form and function>Sengoku can have a mythical fruit of the statue of a god that turns him gold>but a fictional god of freedom can't have a body like rubberEven if it's the clunkiest part it 100% nails the landing in theme and resonance, sorry you're too blackpilled for fun anon.
>>275193508It's not, because Nikka is a sungod and not a rubber god and in story it is described as ultimate freedom or some shit, so it's not rubber neither
Eneru should come back and show Luffy what a true god looks like
>OP editor
>>275193803and Phoenix is a fire bird not a reincarnation bird, and yet it can do thatNika is ALL those things you fucking retard, how fucking dense are you? Just admit you fucked up, there is no shame in it, even Nakai did it. Go ahead, just admit "I was being in hypocritical in criticizing an element of Nika even though I didn't do it for any other mythological beings in One Piece. Mostly because every one else was doing it and I tried to fit in"
>>275193977First of all, chill out, you seething retard. This isn't an OP thread in the first place.Second, the point is that going from rubber fruid to sun god is such a brainless non-sequitur, you could go from any possible devil fruit power to god, so it feels completely unsatisfying as great plot twist.
>>275194203I won't seeth if I see someone intentionally cutting off their fingers and then try to be a goalkeeper. If I see someone acting stupid, I will call him out on it.As the other anon mentioned, there are countless "reallife" mythological beings that make no sense in their attributes, but you don't care about that. Fire burns, it doesn't revive, and yet you accept that.But here is the thing, now you throw in that it is unsatisfying as a plot twist, something else you heard people talk about, but that has nothing to do with the argument you tried to bring across before. You just know you are meant to dislike it, but don't know why.
>>275194341not that anon but that is definitely seethe with a pinch of cope after the fact
>>275194362meant to say "I will seeth if", was going for a double negative but then forgot the double(my sentence doesn't make sense other wise)basically, I admit to seeth, because people are being stupid and need to be called out on it.
>>275139341More current jump mangaka should try to be generally popular, there's too many niche series now that fail to grow larger audiences. Hopefully Natsuki can bring one whenever he is serialized
>>275192042This works too well
miho did the pillow casting. YJK
>>275174007>Nakai never really cared about anyone not femaleNeither did Hiraramu tbf
Nankai is the most interesting and authentic character in whole manga. most of actual assistants leave this shit job in late 20 but he managed to survive till 37. holy shit.
>>275192042Hahahaha
>>275191914It's kind of an important detail.Nakai is fat and ugly, so he's a creep for pursuing anything romantic with Aoki and Kato, because they don't reciprocate at all. Whereas on the other hand, women like Takagi first, and therefore he's only in the wrong if he treats them badly.All attention is bad attention when coming from a guy like Nakai.
>>275193383That's not an insignificant difference. Nika doesn't exist, so we as the audience have absolutely no reference for what Nika is and isn't supposed to do.Maybe if a One Piece pantheon had been established beforehand and we knew anything about Nika more than 26 chapters before the reveal, it wouldn't feel as retarded.
>>275195266Again, it's not Nika being you guys have a problem with, it's the plottwist. Two completely different things. I agree that it as a plottwist was handled very badly. If they had mentioned two or three times through the 1000 chapters "Luffy, with your rubber body and your goal to free people, you're like Nika" and of course we should have gotten Vegapunks explanation about Devilfruits emerging from human desire much earlier, so that the reader could have come up with the theory themselves that gum gum is actually Nika fruit. Or maybe even, hint that someone else currently alive has gum gum powers.Basically, it was handled badly. But>gear 5 sucks because the gomu gomu no mi not being actually rubber makes the enel fight retardeis not one
>>275181783Yeah, they're fun to watch together
>>275192042I expected it to be Mashiro and Kato given the conversation, but this works fine too.
>>275195266You can't establish a pantheon when the setting itself has made it abundantly clear that gods don't exist as such."Gods" are regular humans (As far as you can be normal and important in OP) treated as gods by people.
>>275187491Kengan Omega has done irreparable damage to this board
>>275192042should be Himura on the top
>>275193640its even more retarded when Joyboy is an actual mythological figure but Oda had to make one up still
>>275170618why didn't he become a porn artist??
>>275197786His speciality are backgrounds
>>275198048Just make hentai about fucking tiles or something then.
>>275198078This sounds like a gag manga.Miura is your guy
tictoc OP time for dailies
>>275199256The only gags in this one will be the slut tiles gagging on the MCs dick, sorry to say.
>>275199706you're one hour early
>>275198048yeah well I mean have you seen Rustle's floor?
Hello bakuchads, welcome back. TodayChapter 70: Third Try and Second Series
>>275201327https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsS_VMzY10I
Oh oh...
>>275201387>>275201408Why on earth is the EoC doing this in front of the office and another artist
>>275201327noob, so he never retries after dying in a game? Sounds like a loser
>>275201431because he knows Ashirogi feel the same way.
>>275201429>saying you haven't been able to draw what you want to draw is the same as admitting your own lack of ability.Astronomically based. So many artists moan about not being able to draw their own shit and be like the people they look up to, but they always think it's someone else's fault, like the market, and never self-reflect on maybe it's just that they're bad and need to improve.
>>275201431Because Ashirogi also feel the same, recall the one-shot they submitted behind his back
>>275201464Would he have said that to Kubo's face?
>>275201594what a scheming manipulative bastard I love it
>>275201645Hattori is mega basedShame he doesnt get promoted to captain
>>275201657The one thing I remember most about Bakuman is how Hattori was the best
BESTO
And that's the end of Volume 8, tomorrow we start Volume 9. Who was the best character today?See you all tomorrow
>>275201431he loves a good humilliation ritual, Miyoshi's next
>>275201684>less than an hourIt's always funny when you imagine the scenes happening in reallife, both of the Hattoris just looking at Niizuma autistically scribbling in his notebook for an entire hour, while in panels it only took like 3.
>>275201684
>>275201684GENIUS MANGAKA NIZUMA EIJI
>>275201510The sunglasses would have been too intimidating
>>275201746>birds in his afrohah
>>275201746It's EIC as usual when he shows up
>>275201441This isn't real life anon, there are no continues. If you die in a game, you die for real.
>>275201429>git gud
>>275202267He didn't die though, he only lost the game of serialization. There are unlimited continues until you die of old age
>>275201431In front of Ashirogi specifically because he knows they've been belligerent before. This cuts off the possibility for them to just switch editors and makes their failures their fault. Especially given Takahama's demeanor, he hasn't tried addressing any of his problems with Miura too, he's much too timid to confront him on that and is the type to just vent and complain to others rather than address problems as they arise.
>>275201429So Miura is doing fine
Ok, but what if your editors is actually terrible at his job?
>>275202796STOP NOTICING!
>>275202796Then they'll have been recognized as such by the higher-ups and demoted/reassigned.Don't you trust glorious Shueisha employment to keep the riff-raff out?? We wouldn't publish garbage and make editors or artists work with bad people!
>>275202796Bad editors don't exists, only bad mangakas
>>275201512Imagine the utter fucking shitshow getting Akina and Nakai as a team together would causeLike Jesus fuck Nakai would never recover
>>275202796a bad editor is just a regular readera good editor is not a reader but knows what readers wantin other words, just draw something that your editor and you yourself like, that is what makes a professional
>>275203075She'd lead on Nakai until his 40s. She's way too autistic to realize he's interested in her.
>>275201684Clamp had multiple series at the same time with Tsubasa Chronicle and that other better series. The one with bigger focus on SoL and youkai. Poor PokeSpe team was BURIED in three contractually obligated publications at the same time I think. And the Iruma author is also working on 3 series at the same time right now, I think? And Cool also did multiple publications concurrently at some points in his career.It's really not that unheard of even these days, no need to go back to Showa.
>>275202796Disregard his opinion. Ultimately, YOU hand him your script, and he brings it to the printers. If your editor doesn't bring stuff to the printers, but you handed him the names, he's going to be in hot fucking shit with his higher ups.The editor cannot force his opinions onto you unless his superiors agree. And if multiple people disagree with you, then there's a good chance it's not just your editor being bad.
>>275203197Isn't Clamp made up of like 4 or 5 women? That's hardly a fair comparison
>>275203337Yes, but>Clamp is made up of 4-5 womenIt's a wonder they could agree enough to get one manga done, much less multiple.
>>275203197PokeSpe is monthly so that's different beast.
>>275202796That's kind of what EiC is saying. Do better than your editor then
>>275203197None of those are Jump though.>>275203414It wasn't back in the day, and they still had 3 at the same time sometimes, which is fucking insane.
>>275203197>>275203337how many series is coolkyousinnjya doing right now
>>275201218To-oh university you say
>>275202796Commit sudoku. Then you have the moral high ground.
>>275201746only one more volume and we'll be at the halfway point
>>275201720The Hattoris teaming up is quite a fearsome force. How can other editors even compete?
>>275201746EIC obviously, he finally told off Ashirogi for acting like literal children.
>>275204985but he told off Takahama, he USUALLY tells off Ashirogi
>>275205578He did but also used him as a means to tell off Ashirogi for the shit they've been pulling without having to get into a fight with them. Two birds one stone, as expected of the best EiC in Jump history's disciple.
>>275205849Good point, long live EIC!
>>275202796Just write a good manga anon !
>>275197352You can definitely establish one in-universe.The gods don't have to actually exist for characters to believe in them.And believing is enough for a devil fruit to manifest them into reality somewhat.
>>275201247>Eventually he spends 20 days incubating a fertilized chicken egg to create something neither human nor monster.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRNsXxp63JQ
>>275206276That's true, but doing a more universal pantheon might be an issue, it's not like the entire world believes in the same deities, and because of WG hiding all this stuff, it'd be hard to come by that info.Just more of an argument to have done the infodump at Skypiea, which is at the center of the whole thing anyways, both in the "hint" and explaining what gods are in the setting to begin with.
>>275201327If I got a message like that, I'd assume Shizuka killed himself.
>>275201247Honestly it sounds more like the whole thing is meandering padding for a pokemon/jojo clone that doesn’t happen yet, which seems to betray the point of a one shot.
>>275205578EIC definitely had Ashirogi be in the room for a reason.It was a lesson for everyone. Takahama, Ashirogi, and even Miura.
>>275206451There's a lot that can be said about the narrative delivery mechanically re: things pre-existing to not come out of left field, how far back stuff should be established to work, but it's not as if there was zero setup - human fruits all have consistent drawbacks, Luffy is likened to a deity by Hyo, the constant references towards who will herald the dawn, and the inconsistent rubber powers (people have called G4 bullshit as well since it debuted since rubber can't fucking bend). Thematically its existence and execution is on point and the deeper connections that are obviously there. This conversation has been had for almost 3 years now and the same people crying about not being foreshadowed enough versus the Enel shit versus "sh-should've just been the Gomu Gomu with zero thematic cohesion to the rest of the narrative ;_;" shit hasn't changed since. Most people who enjoy Gear 5 can accept that some of the delivery was clunky, but the ultimate package is wonderful.
>>275206667Which is why it felt incomplete.Like, I imagine the one-shot is a story about hatching the egg, a heartfelt story of sort.
>>275201303It's gradual but scenes like these make Miura look a lot worse by comparison. He's at a loss at what to do and gets lackluster suggestions from Aida. Meanwhile when Yamahisa has problems Yoshida immediately tells him what he needs to do to fix things. And we have Hattori setting his 4d master plan in motion.>>275201408>>275201429Harsh but true. As long as they're working for Jump they have to account for the market it's targeting and the structures built around that even if they aren't perfect. It's not the only path to success but it's the one the characters chose.
>>275202796The editor can't force the author to do anything, only make suggestions that would make the series sell.If you ignore the editor and your series still sells, then you're gucci.
>>275206667Soft disagree, short stories don't need to have concrete endings, especially if the theme is about something existing beyond our understanding and opening your mind to that. Just what Hattori has as the exposition is a solid short story with suspense and involves changing the character and reader's understanding about what is possible, it only seems like a standard shonen premise because we're cultured to shonen and know what to expect, like watching Toku and thinking "I bet we'll get a new powerup soon, they gotta sell a new toy." Someone who's as outside of shonen as a genre as Iwase is just writing a story in a way that's actually compelling in its ideas. It'll depend on execution, which is what Eiji is great at since he's executing on the feeling he gets while reading it, getting fully into the suspense.What I find interesting is that there's once again zero focus on the characters. Most of the fake manga in Bakuman can only really get the premise across, but some like Kiyoshi have been able to show off their power being in their protagonist. As is, Iwase just wrote a strong scifi premise but a shallow one, just like Takagi writes.
>>275206997Kiyoshi is fine because its a gag manga with a battle shonen setting. "Kiyoshi shows the power being in their protagonist" is silly, when every single character in Kiyoshi is a trope being played straight, especially the protagonist.
>>275201247sounds like a generic as fuck story
>>275201486>You're a whiny bitch, kyskinda rude
>>275201408Miura literally gave up on him previous chapter though, he's right to want a different editor
>>275201512isn't he aware that Nakai just sexually harasses al the females he works with? Why the fuck would he do it again?
>>275206840>The editor can't force the author to do anything,they wanted to do the time travel story but were pretty much forced to do gag manga
>>275206837It's also true that Miura isn't entirely at fault though. Aida is supposed to give him advice as his boss, like Yoshida does, and his advice sucks.EiC meanwhile tells the mangaka to suck it up, which also implies that Miura isn't in the wrong in general.>>275207380Then they should've made a better time travel story to convince Miura otherwise, like EiC said.They do technically have free hands after serialization starts though, since the editor can't stonewall them anymore.Of course, you can't print literally whatever, Shueisha would still stop you if you made content that's deemed inappropriate, but that's a separate issue.
>>275201429>>275201464>>275201486Miura canned BB and now has the ashirogi pair sitting on their ass trying to get Tanto to work when it's obviously not something they are suited to, yet EOC is just sitting back and taking his side?
>>275207822>Miura canned BBTakahama's the author, not Miura. If Takahama couldn't make something good with Miura's suggestions or in spite of his suggestions, that's his fault since he has creative control. From the looks of it Miura had no idea Takahama was struggling with his suggestions. How could he, when Takahama doesn't fucking articulate his problems? In part, Takahama's the fucking one who put the idea in Ashirogi's heads that Miura's no good, yet Miura hadn't heard a word of contradiction from Takahama. Miura was able to work out a compromise with Ashirogi because they both admitted their biases and worked together to reach a conclusion. None of that fucking happened with Miura and Takahama because Miura seems surprised that Takahama was having problems with him specifically.
>>275207991Takahama seems to be very passive. He let Nakai sexually harass the pedo female assistant the entire time and never spoke up about it until the very end.
>>275208075Nakai and Kato were having a good and laughing together until near the end where he started to pursue something seriously
>>275208292a good time*
>>275192171Yeah, and that was fucking stupid.
>>275192057hey anon, can you draw me?
>>275208360*doki doki*
>>275201358>you know how a manga never seems as good when you re-read it?No??? what the fuck is he talking about?Maybe he needs to read better manga.
>>275201649based nizuma
>>275203197Soichiro Yamamoto was also working in like 3 series at once fairly recently.
>>275208495You need to let some time pass between re-reads. It's been like 3 months since they read it first and no progress had been made since because they got complacent.
>>275208495>No??? what the fuck is he talking about?You can't tell me you enjoy a manga exactly as well as you did when you first read it. He doesn't say that it is worse than it was before, just that it does not feel as good as when you first read it. The surprise is gone, you know what happens, this limits enjoyments. The more you know the less you will enjoy a media, it's a pretty much universal accepted human trait.
>>275208889This is true for some manga, but for others you appreciate them better the second time. Just like reading a well crafted book, you can see the details and how they converge. A truly good work resists reevaluation.
>>275201538I remember not seeing that pairing coming on my first read, and yet it made so much sense. That was a great twist.I'm actually curious to know when exactly they planned to introduce Akina as a rival.
>>275208929that only applies to very limited media that intentionally wants to surprise you later on. And it's not really better, just a different perspectiveLike, let's say a murder mystery. After reading it once, you now know "Aha, when this happened, X was behind the curtains the whole time" but you also know "Right, X is the culprit, which Is revealed only in chapter 126"But then you read it a third time, and both of these impressions are gone, now it's neither "who is the killer?" nor "Wow, so he was there the whole time", it's just "Right right, I know"
>>275209128I assume since the beginning, as her character in the story would have been otherwise just a weird break from the actual plot
>>275209198>that only applies to very limited media that intentionally wants to surprise you later onI'd say the opposite, stuff that relies on cheap plot twists are the ones that don't hold up in a reread. I've read Yotsuba quite a few times, and I've found new appreciation each time, sometimes for the characters, others for appreciating Azuma's artistry and figuring out how he sets up his chapters, for example.It doesn't need to be a masterpiece, just truly good. Every time I read LOTR, I enjoy new dimensions, even though I know how it ends.
>>275209824I feel like that is just a you thing, probably speedreader who doesn't pay attention the first time.
>>275209877I feel sorry for you if you don't know the joy of rereading a good work.
>>275209966that is a pity I accept, because it truly is an annoying thing. Thankfully in modern times we have reaction channels(if you know the good ones) and seeing others watching an anime you personally like for the first time is almost as good as you do it yourself
>>275210025I'd mock you for admitting that, but I also indulge from time to time.
>>275201720>We're sharing the creditIsnt that pretty much a given ? Nizuma wouldnt even be able to get a second series without his editor to give the request to the higher ups.
Nothing to do with anything, but I fucking hate people calling stuff 'media'. It's so soulless.
>>275210483While I kind of see what you mean, it's still a useful shorthand for when referring to fiction stories in general regardless of specific medium like manga. "stories" works too but can be a bit clunky in some contexts.
>>275210543I didn't really hate it before, I think it started when that retarded 'media literacy' meme appeared.
>>275210483I assume you are referring to meI use that because I needed a word that encompasses everything including movies, tv shows, videogames, manga etc. as the things I talked about apply to all these situations. "Media" fits for that purpose.It's not anymore soulless than the word "manga" itself.
>>275210641Nothing about you specifically, I was just reminded. I also dislike 'content', and 'consuming'. I think it's because all these highlight the commercialization of art.
>>275204942The hattoris are clearly the most competent editors, they cant
>>275201486>If you disagree with your editor, then just do what you really want and BTFO himThis doesn't seem like a good thing to say to Ashirogi since they've already done this before and caused headaches. And he's saying it right after saying to leave the magazine if you can't get along with your editor.
>>275207235Hattori literally says it's simple. You are meant to think the execution is great
>>275209198Assuming you actually got everything the second time through, maybe to an extent, but there's still the enjoyment of the medium itself and the means it uses to unfold information that is enjoyable. Most people read things for the characters' journeys and will reread even if that journey ends badly, because the journey you take with them is what you resonate the most with, not the ending.
>>275202796It's funny that Miura was never validated as a good editor throughout the entire series, the one good thing he did was swallowing his pride and worked together with Hattori to manipulate Ashirogi into eventually creating PCP, then when he became the editor for Akina's series he was shown to be incompetent and never had any good suggestions so the series fell down below the top 3 rankings it used to have when Hattori was the editor.
>>275208929>>275209198I think you are both right. A good work will be enjoyable even on multiple rereads, but the first reread will still be unique due to the experience and ability to capture emotions like suspense and wonder etc.
>>275206837Aids might be the worst editor in the series, it always feels like he just doesn't give a fuck, doesn't help his teammates, gives up instantly when shoved by authors. How the fuck did he get to be head of his team is over me
>>275201684If I recall right, A. Toriyama was such a monster that he ended his scripts and chapters in a single day before the deadlines. Its not possible that another "talent" freak like Eiji could carry two series at the same time.
>>275210779I'd reword your quotation to>If you disagree with your editor, then BTFO him with what you want.I believe the point is [proving] that you know better. That's not the same as discarding your editor or quitting.
If the mangaka has all the responsibility and anyone complaining about their editor is just a whiner, how does a legitimately bad/useless editor get held accountable? Is there some unspoken critical mass of whining where you start taking it seriously?
>>275211773Editors lives matter
>>275211877Total editor death
>>275211387Still, seems like bad advice for Ashirogi who got cocky and tried it before. Unless he's trying to tell them to keep doing it, which would be a pretty big slight towards Miura.
>>275211773I just somehow lost an entire post about this but basically the structure of how an editor works prevents that. Having the skills to be an editor at all would be in the interview, so ability to communicate and interpret art and manga would be part of that. You start with editing for enterprising mangaka, not immediately with published authors until you've had some experience. You bring in new pitches that you help new mangaka on, which means if you bring in nothing despite having multiple meetings, either your mangaka are too poor or your standards too high, but you're pressured for submissions either way. If you green light a pitch that's dogshit, it will come up since every pitch is reviewed by every editor before consideration, so the entire office keeps tabs on what everyone else is submitting. That's why you see stuff like Yoshida's commented concerns with True Human. An editor less lax than Yamahisa would have known that immediately and given that guidance already, but Yamahisa has different standards. The peer review is what likely helps the higher-ups keep tabs on what each editor considers potential as and where their priorities lie. It isn't going to be a job you can just phone in and skate by with those metrics, you need to demonstrate that your scrutiny is valuable. At the end of the day Takahama is madly coping. He's running his complaint up to Miura's boss rather than confront him at all and is only complaining once he got his series canceled despite Miura being his editor the entire time, including helping him get serialized. Takahama refusing to communicate and compromise and unenthusiastically inserting Miura's suggestions is more likely what killed the series than Miura having suggestions. If you disagree with the editor, you can find a compromise you feel confident in and give it a shot, or take the editor's advice and give it an earnest try like Ashirogi are now with gags.
>>275212278At the end of the day EiC is saying that a mangaka can't drop their editor unless they drop the magazine. On the flip side, the editor and magazine can drop the client if they find them unreasonable, changing editors can happen for any number of reasons but creative differences are going to create tension and editors may just get tired of dealing with artists if they refuse to take any direction and Shueisha is under no obligation to entertain a client who can't follow instructions. Ashirogi have tried to go behind Miura's back before, but they've already been reamed for that; in that case, the subterfuge was what was wrong, not challenging Miura's suggestions, it was the circumventing the rules and being so disrespectful by submitting something without any eyes from Miura on them. They already had an exchange re: what they're really good at when they very first brought up that gags weren't Takagi's forte and they wanted something more serious.>so do you have a serious story pitch for me?So Miura was willing to entertain their preference if they had something onhand to back it up.
>>275201429Skill Issue
>>275210777Our Hattori is competent, the other one much less so.Give me the legendary super manipulator instead.
>>275207380you have to remember their time travel story only got one rank higher than the gag manga so the point of the EiC still stands, both One Shots were so mediocre, that they went the gag manga route because it wasn't gonna get axed by chapter 10.
>>275212398I feel like the problem with the system described here is that editors are evaluated on their skills as a critic more than their actual editing skills. It's like grading jockeys based on their ability to pick out a horse that looks like a winner, but then you just automatically assume they're competent at riding and that there must've just been something wrong with the horse if they lose. It seems hard to ferret out a jockey who's just shit at riding in such an environment, especially if he's otherwise really good at picking out good looking horses.
>>275214283A lot of editing stuff isn't going to be documented or seen, but the polish in the final product will be apparent. While you're right that it doesn't suss out an editor who gets a golden goose, they still would be clear from their commentary on what they can actually understand about works. An editor who has the critical analysis to see what really shines or really needs work in a piece will also apply that to their clients, whereas someone whose only commentary is "looks good 10/10" will quickly make themselves obviously inferior.
>>275208292it was awkward as fuck from the beginning
>>275211201he should have stayed as PCP editor, it made no sense why Hattori would be demoted from One Piece if he was so good
>>275215189Being reassigned isn't a demotion. Obviously One Piece is prestigious but it isn't the top-of-the-editing-ladder one can be on.
>>275215189did that even happen? I don't think they ever mention what series he had to drop to do PCP
>>275215267Oda seriously needs an editor to reign his shit in
>>275211773yea like what about an editor who is just self inserting themselves as a mangaka through other people?
>>275210869no pokemon knockoff will be good, no matter the execution. It's completely out of her character to write a story like that too
>>275215301>>275215189You guys might be forgetting what happened, he requested to be moved off of +Natural because of Akina's advances.
>>275215471dumbass, he should have railed her to keep her working and focused like a good editor should
>>275215397That sorta sounds like her though>seethe when Aoki brought up sales numbers and got aksed to write something that would be popular for boys>google "most popular franchise" and got Pokemon>write a Pokemon clone with scifi trappings because of Takagi
>>275215798it's still really hard to believe she's that talented to write a successful pokemon knock off. Doing a non shonen like serious story like Takagi would have made more sense. If anything a detective manga that was better than Trap would have made more sense and caused Takagi to seethe more.
Shueisha rides on the creators' backs, not the other way around. Why do we forget that many mangakas have said that the editor system is flawed and needs a lot of fixing? The chokehold collectivism has on Japan is detrimental to this kind of work situation since they can't speak against it until they become big creators, but until then Shueisha does whatever they please, they even hold editor's opinion HIGHER than other mangakas unless its someone important.
>>275215979If mangaka don't like it they can just self-publish on the internet.
>>275216058They did, and thats why now Shueisha has an app and jump plus
>>275215848I think it's reductive to think of something as just a knock-off when the writer in question has no knowledge of the tropes and trappings of it. That might be why it feels fresh even to Niizuma, is my guess. It's not just a cashgrab attempting to capitalize on what's popular, it's just a story told well.
>>275211201It's not acknowledged directly. However, Takahama's next manga becomes quite successful even with Miura as his editor.
>>275217572off screen, dosen't count
>>275211201To be fair I thought it felt kinda shit that Iwase without Hattori's handholding could only write bland battle arcs, then she went for the most soulless move ever to artifically gain interest. Takagi's rival my ass
>>275217572You mean DESPITE having Miura as his editor, so he proved the editor in chief right by surpassing his bad editor by becoming a truly great mangaka.
>>275217439Honestly, I'm not sure how much I actually trust Nizuma's taste. He liked Ten and Future Watch even though they were both mid by all other indications.
>>275211773I think some of this will be mentioned later on, but it's not really a spoilerbut basically, the magazine does have a LOT of responsibilities the artist are never been told because it shoudn't be on their mind. The publisher is the one that prints hundreds of thousands of volumes without knowing if it will really sell well or not, so they are sponsoring the money. The editors are the ones who have to deal with lawsuit if the manga promotes harmful messages, not the artist. The first one to be chewed out when a series gets low rankings is the editor, not the artist.Commercialized systems like a publishing company are a privilege, not a right. A single artist could always go independent, but then they would have to give up all on the pros a publisher can provide, which at the end of the day most are not willing to do
>>275219253publisher handles the anime stuff too I guess, but that can be a huge hit or miss
>>275210766t. Moriya, after rereading Osamu Tezuka's masterpiece Phoenix (better after each reread)(though I agree)
>>2752107771 Yoshida > 20 Hattoris
>>275201720Eiji was enjoying this whole Moneyman bullshit, he was.
>>275201486
>>275201649>>275201625>>275201594Man Hattori is so fun
>>275201684Tezuka was doing this, but he also used a "star system" where he uses the same design for designated character types (eg henchman, wise man) across different series.
>>275201303Captain Aida always with the best advice...>>275201327Meanwhile Yoshida was right about Shizuka's character.
>>275220640Imagine if Yoshida had literally any artist other than Hiramaru.
>>275201594I'm surprised Nizuma can read hard literature, with japanese you literally have to memorize new characters from scratch
People rank already editors but the worst and most fuckable has yet to come.
>>275201746Thank you for posting.
>>275222763Hattori isn't the most fuckable?
>>275224166You will see when the time has come
>>275222564She most likely dumbed it down for shounen manga.
>>275222763I wondered who you meant as I didn't remember anyone, but then I realized who you were talking about and why you said most fuckable I admit he would look hot in a skirt
>>275222564The fuck do you mean?
Heya, OP here, I'll post chapter 71 on a new thread since it begins volume 9
>>275193206anon... that was 60 years ago
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>>275201327yea man people using computers to talk over the internet. what horrible people.
>>275201486>my editor wrote this page
>>275201486You didn't just complain, Mashiro you outright antagonized him.It feels kinda unfair to make Takahama take the lecture so Ashirogi can learn a lesson.
>>275228761Takahama had to learn the lesson too, he wasn't a scapegoat or anything like that. All three are young artist that need to learn how a professional world works before it is too late and they become too self obsessed
The best time of the day has finally arrived.Every chapter gets us closer to the end of this godforsaken Tanto arc.I'm not sure how important it was for them to create a gag manga, I suppose it's just to show that they're maturing to being professional creatives and not just wild and untamed kids. At the very least on this re-read I've come to see the light that everyone's favorite gag editor isn't actually as bad as we thought.
New thread here: >>275228936
