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Just got a 3080 Ti. Is that one of the cards where you have to undervolt it or it bricks itself?

>>101485084
Royal Pretor 130 and Peerless Assassin 140, when?

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>>101485144
Likely it's juiced out of the box. I would always undervolt, no matter what graphics card you get

>>101485084
Hey queer, why did you remove the 13600KF and the 14600K? Fucking AMD saboteur. I need Intel reccies because I'm not moving to DDR5 right now.

>>101485244
See >>101484656

>>101485163
Underbolt xddd not needed with the 4070 Super duper whopperburger it's already bleeding efficient.

>>101485258
WHAT THE SHIT IS WRONG WITH INTEL
why why why why why
GOD DAMN IT I'M GONNA GET JEWED MOVING TO AM5 NOW

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Is this a good monitor?

>>101485279
No you won't, get a 7000 CPU and a B650 board and then upgrade to the 10950x3d on the 16 core chiplet for max gains

>>101485305
>VA
No.

>>101485244
12600K/12700K unironically.

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>>101485244
Right now, I think they're questionable purchases, considering the widespread instability reported. You're likely just fine with a Raptor Lake i5, especially if you babysit it, but I don't really see the need to recommend one currently. You can also try bargain hunting with 12th gen. Reminder, OP does not rule your life

>>101485261
It is, but I have my 4070 undervolted. Shaved 50W off. Worth it in my opinion

>>101485305
Most people buy VA for the contrast. Right now the Q27G3XMN is the better option. Cheaper, FALD

>>101485305
>curved
No.
Better get a Dell 2724D instead.
If you really want a curved monitor then don't buy a 27". Only get curved for ultra wide monitors.

I want to get an external drive to back up files and transfer them more easily, so are there specific drives I should look for? I was thinking of getting the first 4TB one with good reviews I saw, but I thought I should ask here first.

"don't get the 4070 super, it only has 12gb vram, just get the 4070 ti super"
"Don't get the 4070 ti super, its price/perf sucks, just get the 4080 super"
"Don't get the 4080 super, just wait for the 5080"
What the FUCK am I supposed to do

>>101485703
7900 GRE

>>101485703
The 4070ti on sale.

>>101485703
>Don't get the 4070 ti super, its price/perf sucks
No one said that though?

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Got this for $300 for a 1080p machine I want to build.
Was it a good buy? I’m planning on buying the meme R5 7500f because it’s pretty cheap too.

>>101485084
Now that Intel has failed, we can expect these prices for zen5
>9600x: $300
>9700x: $500
>9900x: $650
>9950x: $800

>>101485726
>7900 GRE
Gimped 7900XT with half its memory bus missing and its vram hard pass

>>101486040
They were always going to release at that price, it's what always happens until last gen stock runs out and then they'll drop prices.

>>101486003
Yes for $300.

>>101485084
>Watch gamers nexus video
>we can't recommend people buy Intel
>but we'll still use our 13900k/14900k results to compare to zen 5
>our chip works fine (only uses it for benchmarks every now and then)
>sure some people might have CPUs that can no longer reach those scores but ours does so well still use the scores in our reviews
They went real easy on Intel, same way they went real easy on nvidia. Really opens your eyes to how big they both are when the supposed people's champion in the tech world is unwilling to go after them but has no problem doing it to Asus/Newegg and some others.

>>101486288
Oh, tech reviewers. You never noticed that when they talk about some amd news they always show Intel/Nvidia products in the background? They are all on a paycheck. At least Jay admitted it.

>>101486288
They are trying to walk a fine line. Even the worst reports Wendell received said 50% failure, even 50% are fine. It's not good as you won't know what bucket you fall into until you start having issues but it's not invaluable doom.

Personally I'd still recommend the i7/i5s, and nobody ever recommended i9s in the first place. It's interesting that they think it's probably oxidation from a not-very-Clean-Room at the factory vs. what we (and Buildzoid) all thought was them just pushing the chips too hard in boost clocks damaging the Ring Bus.

>>101486342
No they said it was 50% failure for game servers but for users it would be more like 25% as regular users would never notice those errors and if they did they would just blame it on some other shit like the game, storage, UE5 etc. It's why I came to the conclusion that Intel would 100% get away scot free.

>>101485869
Benchmarks do

>>101485305
i would buy only ips monitors

>>101486383
Basically 75% will be alright while the unluckiest 25% will have major stability and file corruption issues

>>101486455
Also remember that it's 25% of a supposed bad batch that was contaminated in the fab. Which means that most customers will be fine and just dismiss it as AMD misinfo campaign like they always do. Like I said they will get away with it and arrow lake will once again be recommended by every youtuber put there just like raptor, aldor and meteor lake where because they top the benchmarks.

>>101486488
If it's a particular bad run of chips at the factory, Intel will need to do what GN is doing and issue a recall for all chips fabbed between X & Y dates according to their serial # (and contact retailers too to buyback unsold bad stocks). What will ultimately happen is they do it voluntarily between now and Arrow Lake launches or do they do it unvoluntarily after a Class Action gets brought.

>>101486515
They'll just tell people to RMA them and maybe release a bios update where they gimpe them to x52-53 boost multiplier and like 4800mt/s ram for people who want stability. Naturally the big customers are already being compensated($$$) so they won't complain.

>>101486552
>and maybe release a bios update where they gimpe them to x52-53 boost multiplier and like 4800mt/s ram for people who want stability
If they do that they WILL get sued into the ground AND fined by the FTC for changing the product specs after sale (false advertising). To use a car analogy (which I always hate doing) it'd be like if Ford retroactively lowered the speed/acceleration or MPG ratings for their vehicles after they've been on the market for a 2 years.

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>>101485084
I have an old pc with a dh67gd Intel mother board,I core 5 from it's time. I'm thinking of taking the ram to 32 ram. If you can recommend any good ddr 3 ram I'll appreciate it. Main reason I'm upgrading it is because I want to mess with Linux on it. Which one do you recommend for beginners? I'll do some gaming and watch videos on it and other bs.

>>101486488
Already happened to me lol
Some 14900K skeptic called me a amdrone for saying my 13900ks crashed in ue5 games

*eyes my 13900k nervously*

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Will we get a Zen 5 mid cycle refinement/upgrade next year? Or should I wait for Zen 6 to upgrade from my 5800x

>>101486552
Wasn't it already talked that they don't accept RMAs?

>>101486630
limit your boost clocks so it doesn't degrade. then run tekken 8 demo and y cruncher to verify stability

>>101486641
X3D chips are coming in 2-6 months
I doubt we'll see more chips other than laptop APUs until zen6 in 2026

I purchased my 13700K in November of 2022. The GN video said there are reports of the batch of bad chips being from March 2023 to April 2024. I hope that means I'm safe. I've had zero CPU issues since I've built this machine. I play demanding games, most recent one being Hellblade Ion just to see the pretty graphics (game was boring) and it was fine maxed out. I had some GPU issues back when I first built the PC but after I replaced my GPU with a new one, I haven't had an issue since.

Is there a motherboard on the market that gives:
-ATX
-AM5
-6 SATA slots
-Wifi and Bluetooth
plus
-PCIE x1 port that doesn't take away SATA
or, for million bonus points
-optical audio IN (not out) on the onboard audio. I know it's a rare beast but would be very cool for my setup
inb4 get a NAS and throw away all the SATA: it's an option but I would prefer not to if possible.

>>101486682
Mine >>101486624 was assembled in the 49th week of 2022 and was affected

>>101486687
no

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>>101486662
ogey thanks i will wait for those even though it seems like zen5 already has lots of l3 cache

>>101486704
Gay. I've been playing UE5 games though without problem. I played a bunch of the First Descendent without any problems. Downloading Tekken 8 Demo now to check.

>>101486644
They do, in fact it's the one thing they're doing that's the right thing to do.
>>101486592
I was thinking more along the lines of, "to solve the issue you'll need to RMA for a new chip, but we've released this new bios in case you wanna still use your PC, no need to thanks us, remember to update to Arrow Lake this fall"

>>101486687
Pretty sure pcpartpicker allows you to search using most of the filters, could be worth a shot

>>101486687
Why in the fuck would a motherboard include optical in? 99% of people dont know what am optical cable even is. Why would there be an optical IN motherboard for litterally you?
I would try calling lisa su maybe you can convince her to force motherboard manufacturers to include it.

>>101486620
Linux Mint is very good for beginners, I have no idea what is good for DDR3's standards but thankfully linux doesn't need that much ram. How much do you have?

>>101486748
Is "PCIE x1 port that doesn't take away SATA" really a filter option? This is the main thing I want, 6 sata ports plus PCIE for an audio card but you have to dig through manuals for every board for this info normally.

>>101486794
You probably need an x670 board to not lose sata when connecting pcie

>>101486687
You're probably gonna need an expansion card for optical audio in, if such a thing even exists...

>>101486778
That's why it's a bonus points thing. I don't really expect it to be there (although there were boards like that in the past). I'll live with a PCIEx1 to make one instead.

The more money I save up the less I want to spend building a new PC

>>101486806
If that's the distinction that helps a lot, thanks friend.

>>101485305
I got it in front of me and its good, relative to ips the image quality is twice as good. The contrast is good enough that I dont have to think about blacks looking shit when viewing media.

The curve is fine, when watched from the front. It has poor viewing angles so its not great as a tv you'd watch from random angles. Its pixel response times are good enough for cs2 without issues.

The biggest annoyance is scanlines and you need to keep vrr control on to avoid flickering.

I've seen oleds creep around 600€ so you might want to up to the budget and get one of those instead.

>>101486787
At the moment on that pc 16gb, I'll also upgrade the hard disk to sdd. I just want to ditch windows on my other pcs. But I want to learn before I do

>>101486963
16gb is plenty, you're not gonna be running into any issues there. Replacing the spinning rust for an ssd will be much more helpful than replacing the ram.

>>101486737
Just played through it without any problems. Game was locked at 60fps though which is disgusting, but that's not my fault. Guess I'm ok for now.

>>101486808
Of course it exists, it's called "cheapest Sound Blaster that you bought six years ago".

What's wrong with VA panels?
I've only ever used IPS so I don't know the difference, I wanted to buy the AOC Q27G3XMN but now I'm doubting myself

>>101487068
Nice your chip is one of the good ones

>>101486993
Thanks for the reply bro

>>101487098
Smear of blacks (bad for dark area detail in games/movies, and black text against light background when scrolling webpages). Also worse viewing angles than IPS.

>>101487068
Most if not all fighting games are locked to 60fps, frame data is really important there.

>>101487199
Yeah I don't really play that many fighting games but I can see why, especially in online matches, why that's important.

>>101487098
that monitor is fine if you can get it for american prices, its so expensive in eu you might just want to buy oled instead

Current build:
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gRfkpB

I'm honestly not really sure where to go from here. I'm upgrading the ram, just bought 2 more sticks of the exact same kind I have. I'm thinking I may have to upgrade the CPU to get more performance. My budget is about ~$100-$200 for any upgrades. I also wonder, am I considered a mid-range build? A budget build?

>>101487310
Its a budget build due to the gpu having like 15% of the power of 4090 at this point, its weaker than current gen consoles even.

200$ doesnt improve the build much, you could get 5700x3d but it would be mostly unused due to weak gpu

>>101487310
The biggest upgrade you can make within that budget would probably be something like a 5700x3d, but you're still gonna be bottlenecked hard by the 2060, I'd recommend saving more to get a better GPU later on.

At this point how much life does my 8700k/1080ti still have for gaming? Will it stay relatively competitive for new games or is it's run finally over?
I need more home server compute and will either use this system as a proxmox node and build a new gaming pc or put together an epyc system on ebay and keep this one for gaming another 3 years.

>>101487414
It's still more than enough if you don't use raytracing which heavily strains the GPU and CPU

I'm nervous about building my first pc, I don't wanna fuck it up

it's finally happening
intel is dying

>>101487442
Too big to fail

>>101487440
the mobo comes with a guide on where to attach the lego blocks

>>101487414
It's fine

>>101487437
I don't but whenever I lookup modern GPU comparisons it's all raytracing and AI upscaling. Idk if it's because that's important now or if it's some psyop to make it seem more important than it is.
>>101487472
Thanks anon

>>101487450
my dick

>>101487490
It's because that's what nvidia is pushing,. they've been wanting to push dlss as the only benchmark for a while and it's why the whole HUB drama exists. I fully expect them to claim 2-3x performance increase in the 5090 with the small disclaimer saying "when using DLSS".

>>101487357
>>101487366
>15% of the power
>weaker than current gen consoles

I'm actually going to cry.
Looking at 3060 or 3070 right now. What other options should I bel looking at? 6600?

>>101487590
its hard to rec amd over nvidia since the latter has dlss, and nvidia can be used more easily for stuff like AI or other productivity stuff
4060 is pretty cheap and has both dlss and frame gen or used 3080 maybe.

5080 is launching in few months and the 50xx might push some older cards prices down and its always cheaper to buy used as people prepare for the next gen.

>>101487653
alright but when is the 5090ti super

>>101487676
Never ever, that would only happen if AMD released a 8900xt that had performance close to the 5090 but we all know there won't be a 8900xt made.

>>101487676
90ti super only gets launched if the 90 isn't the fastest GPU

>>101485084
>GRAPHICS CARDS
>2 AMD
You guys are weird

>>101487858
Not really AMD is fine for gaming, in fact I'd put the 7900gre up there in the 1440p section if it was up to me.

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>>101485084
Hey anon how's your intel 14th gen cpu?

>>101485084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTeubeCIwRw

If it's a fabrication issue then the next gen is safe because it's by TSMC right?

>>101488250
>No replies
They're stuck at post I guess

>>101485279
>why why why why why
Because it's been clear for a while that they couldn't compete architecturally? All that's left is to pump more power in a futile effort to catch up to AMD.

>>101488256
Yes keep buying Intel

as I understand, the new amd motherboards aren't dropping with the new cpus, right?
would it logically mean that ryzen 7k should drop in price while the old motherboard will spike in price at launch and will only maybe drop to cheaper or just the baseline when the new motherboards finally launch, right?
also x3d cpus haven't been announced and have never launched with the regular cpus, right?
so if I'd want to build a B650M with 7800x3d, should I try to do it now or wait a month?
eastern europe if that matters(fresh launches are usually not day 1 here and have nonsensical costs for the first month or so)

>>101488366
Haven't 7800x3ds already shot up in price to 400? It was way cheaper weeks ago

>>101488436
and you can be 100% sure the upcoming amd cpus dont have their price announced yet because they're figuring out how much they can get from the people abandoning intel systems

>RAM
>DDR4: Zen3/AM4 - 2x 16GB 3600 MT/s CL18; for locked "non-K" 12th/13th/LGA1700 - 2x 16GB 3200 MT/s CL16
>DDR5: Zen4/AM5 - 2x 16GB 6000 MT/s CL30; for unlocked "K" 13th/14th/LGA1700 - 2x 16GB 6400MT/s CL32
Are there any good 32GB RAM cards so I can get up to 128? I'm running kubernetes locally and our shitstack absolutely rips through ram.

>>101488448
new cpus are always expensive at first. they usually ask $300 for the 6 core offering

>>101488366
By all accounts the next gen will offer a mediocre improvement for gaming and the current chipsets are already pretty overkill for that application. Nothing wrong with buying a 7800X3D now if you need to upgrade.

>>101488448
I don't expect many people would switch over from intel
The remaining intel fan base are all the hardcore ones that refuse to use ryzen while all brand-neutral people have already been using ryzen for a while now

>>101488484
this is pretty major distruption
people dont eat up "theres 50% chance your cpu is gonna die sooner than you'd expect" sitting down

>>101488464
RAM is highly commodified. There's precious little difference between sticks with the same specs especially at these relatively slow speeds. Is the system DDR4 or DDR5?

>>101488436
for me, the OP, I can get a new 7800x3d basically wrapped in a paper tissue for 370€
is that any good? i thought they don't come with a cooler either way(don't need one) but this is oem packaging so I suppose just a lil bit of cardboard if not just the plastic holder alone
what I can see is that they've never been lower than 350 locally

>>101488512
DDR4

>>101488495
the hardcore intel fans all run unsafe all-core OCs, so when their CPUs die they won't think to blame intel

>>101485332
I want to use the CMP64GX5M2B6000Z30 kit with a 7800 X3D. Will the B650 be good enough or will I need an X670? I'm considering the Tomahawk X670.

>>101488527
no one on the internet can escape all the talk surrounding intel
the big tech channels literally stop reccing intel
tech sites pump out articles about it
people will gleefully bring it up on any forum they frequent because its fun to shit on big companies, schadenfreude is human universal

>>101485703
4070Ti super is a meme now that the 4080 Super is available. If you can afford that, you can afford the 4080 Super. Just buy MSRP brands for the 4070 Super like inno3D. For the 4080S, get a Strix for lolz since you're already paying so much. That's my broscience take on it.

>>101488549
i agree with you but you have no idea how delusional some people can get

>>101487414
I have an 8700 non K and a 4070S. It runs all the console port games easily, I don't care about anything else.

So I pop in a new GPU and it’s running a game at 99% utilization but only pulling half of the wattage I would expect. How can it be fully utilized and not draw a lot of power? Is windows doing some efficiency thing? Nvidia drivers are such trash, AMD adrenaline never had these weird issues.

>>101488525
Just get the Teamgroup 3600c14 kit or get something with 32gbx2 from Skill. Idk how you're populating your lanes but aim for Bdie there's no reason to miss out on juicy low latencies on DDR4.

>>101488525
Alright that's good news. If you're okay with a little tuning then buy 4*32GB 3200C16 XMP. You may need to play with the voltage/frequency to achieve stability especially if the platform is older (pre-400 AMD or 300 Intel). If you don't mind trading some bandwidth for stability then pick a JEDEC kit at the max speed supported in 4xDR configuration. For last-gen systems I believe that's 2666. I'd heavily suggest the latter if this server is used for business.

>>101486342
Oh Jesus I want a 13900KF to rip and tear! I consider i9s to be the equivalent of bikes, a sign of male aggression and sexual virility. I want to buy an i9, delid it, swap the stock contact plate with a Thermal Grizzly one, and use the new gen Deepcool 360MM AIO. I really feel this is the pinnacle experience for masculinity today and an undeniable moment for all PC enthusiasts to relish. Am I mad or am I right?

>>101488642
Oh and i want to play boomer music while doing so like Back in Black. AMD can't give me the same experience.

>>101488628
>If you're okay with a little tuning then buy 4*32GB 3200C16 XMP
should be easy if the sticks are single rank
complete hell if they're dual rank (because then you're running quad rank)

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When you get an i9, you're guaranteed to be DRIVING THROUGH THE FLAMES TONIGHT
VINNYYY

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Can anyone explain the differences between the newly announced AM5 mobo chipsets and the higher end of e.g. the B650E AM5 boards, like the Asrock Taichi? https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650E%20Taichi/index.asp#Specification
B650E Taichi:
PCIe Gen5 for both graphics (2 Gen5 x16) and M.2 (1x Gen5 x4 and 2x Gen4 x4)
1x USB4 type C
Has EXPO and CPU OC

It ticks all the boxes the X870/X870E has in this presentation, what am I missing? Is it that RAM clock speeds might be faster supported on the new chipsets for updated sweet spots on the new 9000X3Ds? The QVL already has DDR5-7600 compatibility.
Why wouldn't I buy a higher spec B650E, basically? It'll probably be cheaper than newshit if I waitfag and it's likely got the same or better specs already, right?

>>101488668
AFAIK all 32GB sticks are DR so 128GB would be a quad rank setup. The max speed will naturally come down to the age of the platform and silicon lottery. Baseline JEDEC spec in 4xDR is (IIRC) 2666 on the latest DDR4 platforms but will be lower on older systems.

Intel shill, you better be quiet for a while.

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So what's the verdict on Zen 5 so far? Are any of them better than 7800X3D at a matching price point?

>>101488746
AM5 and RAM overclocking do not mix. It won't start mixing anytime soon. Looks like a shitty refresh like how shittel motherboards got refreshed for Gen 14. AMD partners grift hard on the boards, it's no surprise.

>>101489037
for gaming youd obv wait for 9800x3d
they apparently again do the shit with higher core variants where the 3d cache is only on half of the cores for whatever reason

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>>101489045
That sounds obnoxious. What's the reasonable ETA on that thing?

Wew is this really gonna be so good?

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-9950x-zen-5-cpu-12-percent-faster-14900ks-unlimited-tdp-309w-power/

>>101488746
>The QVL already has DDR5-7600 compatibility
New boards should go even higher. B450 was a significant improvement over B350 (though that was more like an early access platform).
>>101489039
Yes it does, Ryzen can go to DDR5-8000 if you run Gear 2 like Intel does. The infinity fabric is what sucks.

>>101489045
This is true
>80 MB of cache (64 MB L3 + 16 MB L2) and has a TDP of 170W

>>101489045
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9000x3d-zen-5-cpus-same-3d-v-cache-ryzen-7000x3d-9950x-9900x-128-9800x3d-96-mb-l3/

9800X3D is said to have the same amount of 3D cache as 7800X3D apparently.

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What's the deal with thermal paste these days? I just want to repaste my laptops, is there any particular brands to get or avoid?

>>101489071
Lol
7800X3D here I come

>>101488699
>that webm
kek

>>101489103
Just blindly get the NT-H2.

>>101485244
This OP is the retarded one. He also removed the new PSU ranking list by hwbusters.

My current PC is a ino3d gt1030 gddr5, a i3 1010F with corsair 36000mhz 2x8 gb, which is capped by the CPU. For how many euros can I sell it? Does adding fancy lights increase it's value. I know it's shit but I made it on basis of impulse and when computer parts were expensive

>>101489103
Get MX-6
Some pastes may perform better but they dry out in a matter of months

>>101489185
I assume around 200 euro, 300 or 4000 if you're lucky and someone stupid buys it. Yes, lightning can attract the stupid teenagers, people flip pc parts that way.

>>101488523
If it's not damaged and you don't want the box, it's ok
But at least get a proper receipt so you can claim your 3 year warranty

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qf8VkJ
thoughts on this so far?
need to decide on GPU and then match a PSU, so far everything in this would cost 1.1k Euros for me, so I suppose fitting inside 1.5k is impossible.
My main monitor is the Dell G2724D so QHD@165Hz, so far my GPU has been RX480 for the last better part of the decade
what do I aim for? the 7700XT? everyones saying it's bad value, is the 7800XT more sensible(lmao)?
also, what's the usual PSU size these days? the build without GPU on part picker shows less than 300W, so with a GPU, what do I just get 600W+ and be fine?

>>101488605
What GPU and how much power is it pulling?

>>101488699
Sometimes I question whether we deserve AI or not.

>>101489207
7700 XT is not bad value, but 7800 XT should fit in a $1500 budget.

For this build, I would get a 750W or 850W PSU. Sometimes there's only like a $10 difference or the 850W PSU is even cheaper.

>>101489357
since the OP of this thread gaslit me with limited information, I also dug deeper to see that 7900 GRE is a popular choice
having said that 1.5k budget I might have hindered future advice, it was an arbitrary number and I don't see how I could fit a decent PSU + 7700 XT for 400 euros anyway
having spent(not yet) 1.1 on those parts from the list, I think I'll want a bit more gayming performance than what 7700XT will offer(or maybe I'm just dumb for thinking that) so I'm thinking of spending a bit more, but if I'd go up to the GRE which is around 600 euros here, it's looking up to become at least a 1.7-1.8k build which seems a bit high

>>101485616
Why is curved a bad thing ? I've 3 27" monitor right now but intend to go for a single very big screen when I change my battlestation in 2-3 years. Arm monitor are just too annoying to setup properly.

>>101489389
also to add more context
7700XT is around 450 euros, 7800XT is ~550-600 and GRE is ~600-650
considering the prices available, which would be the most sensible choice? 4070 super is 700+

Can I get away with not using thermal paste/putting the cooler on the CPU if I'm just going to make sure it boots right first time? Or do I have to not be lazy.

>>101489445
I've played CoD MW remake without cpu paste but with the cooler on and with a dying GPU
but back then hardware was made by real men
>I played until it would turn off in like 10minutes after reaching 100 or so

>>101489445
nothing will be damaged but the CPU will shut off after a few seconds

>>101485869
>price/perf
>nvidia
If you want price/perf buy an RDNA2 card. 6800 non-xt is $350 right now

>>101489445
yeah, if you're bored you can use piece of folium

Remember to always buy Intel. The reports of failing cpus are just hit pieces sponsored by AMD as they know they have nothing in their hand and are just spreading FUD.

Sup. So, any leaks on the 50 series? Do we know the VRAM per tier?

>>101489716
8gb 5060
>vram memers are just salty AMDrones

>>101487098
If you buy the better VA panels, almost nothing. The issues are overexaggerated and the contrast and black levels override any negatives
(QD)OLEDs > VA > IPS > TN

How do I find a used 3090 that's not going to die in 2 weeks?

>>101489445
It will be fine but it's easier putting the cooler on the motherboard and then putting the motherboard in the case than adding the cooler last.
Or are you testing outside the case?

>>101489431
GRE if you get it on the lower end of the price range.

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>>101489716
5060 8gb
5070 12 gb
5080 16gb
5090 28gb

>>101485703
Get 4070 Ti S with AD102 chip

>>101489772
Testing it outside the case. Just want to make sure it posts first before putting the cooler on and in the case etc

>>101485084
Is there an issue with Super Flower Leadex VII XG 850W having only a 60 month warranty? I thought PSUs had closer to ten years, not five. There's a few other ATX 3.0 PSUs in my region around its price with better warranties, should I get those instead?

>>101489865
The leadex range from super flower have historically been some of the best psus money can buy (their golden green range not so much) so outside of something insane from reviews I would not be concerned.

>>101489768
actually the real ranking for gamers is
OLED>TN>IPS>VA
>>101487098
>What's wrong with VA panels?
Slow pixel response and black smear, not even Samsungs toppest tier panels ever could even solve this, therefor all VAs are DOA, if you care about pixel response that is
A history of POZZED subpixels (might not be relevant anymore, MAYBE), many VAs had fucked up subpixel structure that made text look even shittier than IPS, which made them even bad for OfficeCucks
Curved
Gamma shift
VRR flicker
probably more things I'm forgetting
the fact that VAs have replaced TN at the bottom bin tier shows how thier shit, they are even less desirable than TN
but, again, all depends on specific panels, but the inherent drawbacks of each tech cannot be undone even how much you try, TN still faster than IPS, IPS still glows, VA still slow

>>101489804
>8 million cpus and every one of them is happy

13900 is the best value CPU right now. Anyone who buys anything else is a dumbass.

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idon't get it are those normal usb port? Why are they rounded compared to others?

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>pic related
>28°C ambient
>stock 13700k
>over the course of about an hour of gaming
>starts at 60s
>slowly ramps up 80s
>cools down to 70s
>slowly ramps up to 90s
>cools down to 80s
>eventually hits 95-100
>hovers there
>no stability issues
>no artifacting
Heres the issue, if i wasn't monitoring temps i would have no idea that the chip is getting that hot. Should i look into this undervolting thing or just not worry about it?

>>101489939
Don't worry it's perfectly normal. The whole thing is an AMD shill campaign.

>>101489939
You can set warnings for temperatures on many 3rd party monitoring apps. Also
>Intel housefire
Should've bought the 7800X3D for gayming.

>>101489925
Different USB generations/bandwidth. Consult the manual for what is what. Chances are the black are USB2 and the red USB 3 might have higher bandwidth than the blue.

>>101489939
your cooling must be shit

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Just gimp your cpu anon.

>>101490017
no it's just INTEL TURBO BOOOOOOOOST
intel wanted to make sure they were 1st place in everything so they burn your cores even faster than AMD

>>101490023
Gimp it until it fully dies after which it won't even boot.

>>101489884
Reviews and comments I've found don't seem to mention it. I guess I'll bank on the brand name, thanks.

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13900k:
1.7GHz idle clock.

>>101489998
7800X3D:
4.2GHz idle clock.

And you wonder why AMD room heater cpus give you +hundreds of euros/year in energy bills.

>>101489851
>oxidation
If they didn't have their fans in israel I'd make a joke about some jeet pooing on the floor and contaminating a whole batch of CPUs.

>>101490041
AMD does not report frequency in C6
god you are retarded

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>>101490051
it doesn't go lower than that. ever.

>>101490031
his max pcores are just hitting 5.3
>>101490041
>mfw I ran my LGA775 locked at the same ghz for 15 years straight (I have no face)

>>101489805
5060 3.5gb
5070 8gb
5080 12gb
5090 16gb
fixed it for you

>>101490064
it goes to 0 mhz at idle
obviously they can't report that because then they would have to wake up the core

>>101490064
Protip: task manager polls the cpu for its frequency which causes it to spin up as it were to respond to the activity. Most cpu polling software polls slower than zen can clock up and down which gives - to the layman - a misleading impression that the chip never downclocks when in reality is downclocking between polling rate.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YTpTQP
updated with PSU now, since I could get this one for just a 100 as opposed to ~140+ for all the other high rated PSUs in the hwbusters list
the only question remains of GPU, which one to pick
what manufacturers are good for Radeon these days? or rather which I should avoid completely?

>>101490017
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 All-in-One it idles at barely 25-30c over ambient.

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>>101490051
It does under Loonix, and in Ryzen Master too I think.
My 7800X3D idles at <50MHz per core on Loonix.
The problem is that due to chiplets + IO die it will have higher idle power for the entire socket than any monolithic design be it Intel or AMD. However at load it mops the floor with Intel.

>>101489769
Don't buy used if you aren't ready to gamble

>>101490090
never seen such crazy cope kek

>>101490095
either your mounting is shit or your mobo is overvolting the cpu some shit

>>101490005
i know about the colors but I was wondering if it's normal that some are rounded and not rectangle

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>>101490046

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>>101490041
Ah yes, the whooping... 12W when using Office on W11 will totally ruin my electricity bill. God forbid, on idle it must be around 10W!! We Intelchads run our systems close to 0W, just think of how much money we're saving! (Just ignore actual usage of the PC).

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>>101490095
360 AIO is not enough for Intel housefire at sustained loads. They will throttle.

>>101485084
Update the PSU link:

https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atx-v3-0-pcie-5-0-ready-psus-picks-2023-hardware-busters/ (updated for 2024)

2 x 16GB 3200 DDR4
or
2 x 8GB 5600 DDR5?

I have 2 x 8GB 2400 DDR4 in my current PC.

Ideally I'd go 2 x 16 GB DDR5 but I am not sure I have the room for that in my budget. 12400F and 7700 XT are my CPU and GPU if that factors in at all.

>>101490121
It doesn't matter as long as your usb device fits, which it should.

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>>101490097
>It does under Loonix, and in Ryzen Master too I think
this is sort of a fake value, it's an average over one second based on how many instructions the core retired
the task manager is more realistic since it tells you how fast tasks are running when the core is awake
>The problem is that due to chiplets + IO die it will have higher idle power for the entire socket than any monolithic design be it Intel or AMD
this is another bullshit internet rumor, AMD has more power sensors and counts more components (like the RAM) as a part of their "package power" reading
if you actually measure the power consumed by the whole PC (with all other components the same) they're practically identical

>>101490111
it's all stock gigabyte bios settings. i only enabled xmp. what do you mean mounting is shit?

>>101490132
If possible go for option C: OC your existing ram.

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>>101490132
32G > 16G
There's barely any difference between 3200 D4 and 5600 D5 in gaymes as long as 3200 has good CL.

>>101490133
thank you

>>101490150
stock settings must be shit and overvolting now a days
I'm pretty sure you can run it fine and cool just running pcores and manual volts but anywya
>what do you mean mounting is shit?
you know bad cooler mounting not making good enough contact
but probably just shit mobo overvolting as always
>>101490124
wrong cpu

>>101490135
>this is sort of a fake value, it's an average over one second based on how many instructions the core retired
>the task manager is more realistic since it tells you how fast tasks are running when the core is awake
Ah yes, the AMD engineers who programmed the Loonix RAPL driver for Zen don't know what they are talking about, but you do. It doesn't matter than you can read the SMU with ryzen_smu to get exact values like in Ryzen Master (up to Zen 3), including the core frequencies. It's all lies and Windows Task Manager is the best!
>>The problem is that due to chiplets + IO die it will have higher idle power for the entire socket than any monolithic design be it Intel or AMD
>this is another bullshit internet rumor, AMD has more power sensors and counts more components (like the RAM) as a part of their "package power" reading
>if you actually measure the power consumed by the whole PC (with all other components the same) they're practically identical
I have since I have Alder Lake, Zen 3 and Zen 4 boxes with similar specs, and you're wrong. Alder Lake measured at wall idles significantly lower than Zen 4 with Zen 3 being highest.

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>>101490185
>Ah yes, the AMD engineers who programmed the Loonix RAPL driver for Zen don't know what they are talking about, but you do
i called it fake because it doesn't represent how fast the core is running
it represents how much work the core has done in the past second, but that shouldn't be measured in "MHz", it's just the metric most people are familiar with
>It doesn't matter than you can read the SMU with ryzen_smu to get exact values like in Ryzen Master (up to Zen 3)
i literally posted a screenshot of that
>Alder Lake measured at wall idles significantly lower than Zen 4 with Zen 3 being highest
prove it

>>101490204
this graph is BS it should be <30 for all of them

>>101490204
>>Ah yes, the AMD engineers who programmed the Loonix RAPL driver for Zen don't know what they are talking about, but you do
>i called it fake because it doesn't represent how fast the core is running
>it represents how much work the core has done in the past second, but that shouldn't be measured in "MHz", it's just the metric most people are familiar with
You obviously can scale the work done/work possible at full "speed" and express the result in MHz. And even this stupid definition of yours doesn't apply because each core is clock-gated which changes the literal MHz value relative to baseline.
>>It doesn't matter than you can read the SMU with ryzen_smu to get exact values like in Ryzen Master (up to Zen 3)
>i literally posted a screenshot of that
Cool, now enable DF C-states in BIOS and re-measure. Don't forget to disable SoC OC mode that's enabled by default on some boards.
>>Alder Lake measured at wall idles significantly lower than Zen 4 with Zen 3 being highest
>prove it
How do you intend for me to do this to your satisfaction? Even if I post photos or even videos you'll call them fake. If you really think that chiplet-based Zen can have equal or lower idle than monolithic designs there's nothing I can say to persuade you out of it. It's physically impossible.

>>101490079
>his max pcores are just hitting 5.3
2 of them hit 5.4. could be the application not using them properly.
>>101490181
should i do something about the temps? it's been that way last summer too and it never crashed, no BSODs, nothing in the 13 months since i've built it. as i said, if i didn't have hwinfo on the other monitor i would have no idea that the chip is running that hot.

>>101490262
not at the wall
there's a GPU in there too
>>101490274
>You obviously can scale the work done/work possible at full "speed" and express the result in MHz
i want to know how fast the core can do work, not how much work it has done
IMO all it does is make AMD look better to uninformed users, but whatever
>Cool, now enable DF C-states in BIOS and re-measure. Don't forget to disable SoC OC mode that's enabled by default on some boards.
no thank you, i prefer lower latency and a stable overclock
10 W at idle doesn't matter to me
>Even if I post photos or even videos you'll call them fake
no, if you post photos or videos i will accept them as fact
>If you really think that chiplet-based Zen can have equal or lower idle than monolithic designs there's nothing I can say to persuade you out of it
the monolithic designs can obviously idle lower but that's because they're originally laptop designs
laptop intel CPUs also idle a lot lower than desktop intel CPUs because they have different priorities

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Third world cunt here.
Will a 180w psu work with a GTX 1650? I have an i7 for a cpu.

>>101490288
only if you care about temps or are paranoid
I guess the xmp also could bump up the heat alot due to whatever settings it's applying
it hitting 100c and throttling in gaming would seem pretty retarded since it's not even that demanding
If you manually tune everything and shut things off like ecores I'm sure it could run sub 100 easily but anyway

>>101490366
tenth generation as well** should add

>>101490336
>i want to know how fast the core can do work, not how much work it has done
>IMO all it does is make AMD look better to uninformed users, but whatever
You want information about the future (how much work CAN it do) while querying information about the past (how much power WAS used). This is incompatible on logic level.
How much work can be done is always limited by base+turbo achievable frequency.
>no, if you post photos or videos i will accept them as fact
No, you won't.
>the monolithic designs can obviously idle lower but that's because they're originally laptop designs
That's true on AMD, but not on Intel.
>laptop intel CPUs also idle a lot lower than desktop intel CPUs because they have different priorities
Desktop Intel can idle almost as low as their laptop chips can if you set it up correctly. And they always could do this, however as you yourself said - latency is preferred and going out of deep C-states takes time, so by default it's not done on consumer motherboards.

>>101490270
he doesnt know shit.
8 gb plus dlss is more then enough.

>>101486808
My sound blaster card has it. Use it to route ps4 audio through my pc. Shame the ps5 doesn't have toslink out anymore.

>>101489769
Just save for a 5090. Most used ones now will be former mining, out of warranty time bombs.

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>>101490366
GPU - 75W unless it has external power, but this model shouldn't.
Comet Lake tops at 125W TDP so you're already at 200W, but in reality it can take more. If it's a lower model i7 then... maybe? Depends on what else you have connected, how much RAM, what SSD/HDD.
In general I'd say 180W's not enough.

>>101490435
>while querying information about the past (how much power WAS used)
that's what the power sensors are for
showing a core as 50 MHz because it ran at 4800 MHz for 1 ms and 0 MHz for 999 ms is retarded
i want to know if my core can do 4800 MHz or not
>No, you won't
i will kiss your feet if you post photos

look, i don't care about idle power at all, this is a desktop PC, but we have this discussion every week and i need to BTFO the intel shills every once in a while
you're clearly not a paid shill so i'm sure some of what you've said may be right, but it doesn't matter to me beyond preventing marketer misinformation bullshit

>>101490366
Low profile 1650 that doesn't use external power? Yeah
Uses external power? Fuck no.

>>101490090
So what's an accurate way to actually monitor the AM5 CPUs?

>>101490396
>only if you care about temps or are paranoid

I think it's the game. Once Human, if i limit fps to 60 the CPU never exceeds 85c(the GPU is asleep at 30% usage) and usually hovers around 75 but if i limit FPS to 120(or uncap them completely at 200+) temps climb to 95-100 very quickly. Which shows that this game specifically really stresses the CPU when it should rather hit the GPU.

>>101490493
look at how much power it's using
look at how fast your workloads are running
after all, these are the only two metrics that matter

>>101490366
>>101490404
during a stress test the total power draw would be in the range of 200-300 watts

>>101489923
>You will own nothing (because it died) and you will be happy
Statement checks out

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>>101490482
>i want to know if my core can do 4800 MHz or not
That's a different sensor, HWiNFO shows this as "Frequency Limit - Global". I don't think anyone updated SMU drivers for Zen 4 yet, so unavailable under Loonix.
See? You're asking the wrong question for the data you're querying.

>>101489923
yeah it looks like you can get a bargain on them now for some reason

>>101489923
>costs more than the K skus and 14900
hmm

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>>101490491
https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Graphics-Windforce-Gv-N1650OC-4GL/dp/B081L3PSGK
Is this what you are talking about?
The computer I am using is an hp envy te01-1254. It currently only has the 180*W power supply. It is proprietary so I can only use HP Envy brand ones, and I cannot find a 300*W supply that is also from HP. Can you? I have looked for an hour. Maybe my English is too shit or the browsers do not search as well as they used to.

>>101490549
That's because server providers bought them out due to K/K(y)S editions dying en masse.

>>101490552
Tell us the CPU model as well.

>>101486620

look at ark.intel.com for processor specs, see ram specification, then by anything that matches and gives dual channel advantage

>>101490569
It's a 10th generation intel i7.

Not quite build related, but I don't want to make a new thread.

I want a new mouse for my new PC. I am using a G305 and hate it. Previous mouse was a HyperX Hastefire Pulse and it broke after two months. Before that I had a Steelseries Aerox 5. I want something durable and responsive. Wired or wireless is fine. My Pulse broke because MMB started double/triple clicking each time it was pressed, so something with reliable switches. Though I was looking at some Steelseries stuff and that has longer lived switched but they're less responsive. I mainly play FPS and FFXIV.

>>101490041
>5ghz 7800x3d beating 6.2ghz 14900ks by 5% in games
Amd has 20% higher gaming ipc

someone help me compare these GPU prices
>Sapphire Radeon RX 7700 XT Pulse (2 fans) 455€
>Sapphire Radeon RX 7700 XT Pure OC 470€
>Sapphire Radeon RX 7700 XT Nitro Plus 485€
are the variantion even within the same brand worth the extra cash or will the 30€ extra be noticeable with better cooling and higher clocks?
>Sapphire Nitro+ AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT 585€
>Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE 625€
>SAPPHIRE NITRO+ AMD RADEON RX 7900 GRE GAMING OC 645€
are the different models worth the 100 and 50 € increase in price respectively?
will pair with 7800x3d and use for QHD@165Hz gaming

>>101490533
>That's a different sensor, HWiNFO shows this as "Frequency Limit - Global"
this doesn't mean the core is actually deciding to boost to the frequency limit
even amd_pstate=active has a small filter for deciding to boost past base clock
>You're asking the wrong question for the data you're querying
the generally accepted definition of CPU frequency is the speed at which the core is retiring instructions
t = 1/f
i don't like this new definition AMD decided to invent for ryzen master, but that's just an opinion, it looks really good for them when they can say they idle at 50 MHz

>>101490577
But 10th generation i7 span from 35W to 125W. Without exact model we can't help.
But anyway I found a 400W supply compatible with that Envy - https://www.365powersupply.com/product/l69242-800-400w-power-supply-for-hp-86-pro-g2pro-288-g4-g5-mt/

>>101490605
It's an i7-10700 specifically. Thank you for the 400w psu. Would my current still be fine? I am probably going to upgrade regardless but it would be nice to not have to.

>>101490559
200mhz lower boost clocks will surely save us
>>101490584
>G305
slop because it's omron switches and will start doubeclicking in a year
that's why they updated the new replacemenet for this with lightspeed switches, the same as the new ultralight too
so logitech is no longer DOA slop and you can buy them again cause they now have optical switches
just buy something that does not have omron switches and you are fine

>>101490598
When the core is clock-gated then it's not retiring instructions because there's no clock! How hard is it for you to understand that 99% at "0MHz" and 1% at 4200MHz will be averaged to 50MHz over 1s the measurement took place (I'm oversimplifying of course).
This is the case for Intel too. Intel's just choosing to display the same information as activity % in XTU.

>>101489975
>>101489998
>>101490017
>>101490041
>>101490124
Okay, i figured it out. It was the game. Once Human really stresses the CPU and the ingame FPS limiter only limits FPS but doesn't really lower the stress on the chip. So i limited FPS to 150 in the nvidia control panel(since i'm using a 144hz screen), which is an increase from 120 it was before, and the CPU never went above 85°C and usually hovers around 80°C. It really was the game thats fucked and undervolting probably would have done nothing.

>>101490723
maybe that game has some avx instructions or some crazy anti cheat or something

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>>101490674
>200mhz lower boost clocks will surely save us
It's not only that. K/KS have unlimited boost duration, and higher boost clocks meaning higher voltages required which get shared to the ring bus, and that's what is degrading.
>>101490655
Just try it. It should be enough because HP is not deviating from Intel guidelines for power. If it's not enough then the computer will simply shut down at load, and you'll have to buy the 400W.

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>>101484401
>>101484656
I dont know what this all means
But get fucked all you Intelaviv shills and people who still bought after the cuckcores

>>101490442
Based low quality enjoyer.

>>101490687
>How hard is it for you to understand that 99% at "0MHz" and 1% at 4200MHz will be averaged to 50MHz over 1s the measurement took place
the core is awake while it's displaying the frequency, right? i want to know the frequency the core is running at when i ask it
synthesizing an average based on sleep states is bullshit, you can't even run a zen core at 50 MHz
>This is the case for Intel too. Intel's just choosing to display the same information as activity % in XTU
which is the correct way to do it
display "active frequency" and "time spent sleeping" as has been the standard for 30 years

HWiNFO calls it "effective frequency" which is OK because they also display the active clock, and that's the information you should be most interested in

>>101490735
Thank you for the help my friend.
Love from Afghanistan.

>>101490756
>the core is awake while it's displaying the frequency, right?
No. It's the SMU that's displaying the frequency based on the state of the core over a set period of time.
>you can't even run a zen core at 50 MHz
And you took this gem from where exactly?
You really ought to read some more about metrology because what you want is the wrong way of doing it.

>>101490687
>>101490756
https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/effective-clock-vs-instant-discrete-clock.5958
>The Effective frequency does not represent a particular real clock
>but the average clock value where sleeping states do not contribute to clock
this is how it should be understood, the value is fake, it's a synthesized average
a zen core can't go that low and it's still going to boost to 1.4 V while it's awake

>>101490735
pl durations are kinda useless since single core boosts dont demand insane power draw anyway
plus you are speculating
plus i dont care
if the intel chips are really pozzed at a hardware level the 13900 are fucked too

>>101490805
>It's the SMU that's displaying the frequency based on the state of the core over a set period of time
the SMU should display 0 MHz for sleeping cores
in fact i think it's doing almost exactly that because in kde system monitor it shows some cores running at the minimum CPPC frequency (while the ones that are awake are at base clock)
>And you took this gem from where exactly?
my 5800X, it goes as low as 550 MHz if you want it but all silicon has a lower clock limit
there is no clock and no frequency in a sleep state

>>101490817
>pl durations are kinda useless since single core boosts dont demand insane power draw anyway
Not if you advertise 6.0GHz ST boost clock.
>plus you are speculating
Obviously, Intel hasn't said anything official.
>plus i dont care
Cool.
>if the intel chips are really pozzed at a hardware level the 13900 are fucked too
Most likely, yes. But in the short term it's the model achieving highest ST performance that hasn't massively failed *yet*.

>>101490836
>the SMU should display 0 MHz for sleeping cores
It does. Disable cores in Loonix and you'll see exactly that.
The problem is that Loonix, and any other OS scheduler, migrates tasks insanely fast compared to the (assumed) 1s measurement interval that SMU reports. No core under that situation is going to be sleeping for 100% of the duration.
>in fact i think it's doing almost exactly that because in kde system monitor it shows some cores running at the minimum CPPC frequency (while the ones that are awake are at base clock)
Different APIs report different values. Same as Windows Task Manager vs. HWiNFO.
>my 5800X, it goes as low as 550 MHz if you want it but all silicon has a lower clock limit
Because 550MHz was chosen as the lowest step in the ACPI/PSTATE APIs. SMU operates on way more granular measurements. Take for example PSTATE scaling on Zen 3:
AMD PSTATE Highest Performance: 166. Maximum Frequency: 4.85 GHz.
AMD PSTATE Nominal Performance: 130. Nominal Frequency: 3.80 GHz.
AMD PSTATE Lowest Non-linear Performance: 60. Lowest Non-linear Frequency: 1.75 GHz.
AMD PSTATE Lowest Performance: 19. Lowest Frequency: 550 MHz.
Note that 550 is not "0" performance level. There's still lower available internally, but they aren't reported via this driver to save power.
>there is no clock and no frequency in a sleep state
Yes? That's what I've been saying? The problem is that no core is 100% sleeping all the time in a given measurement time (unless it's disconnected from the kernel).

>>101490843
Buy a 14900k, set manual voltages, set max all core, disable cuck cores, problem solved if not pozzed
OR
just wait for 9600X and run it at stock, lmao

>Breaking Nvidia's GeForce RTX 4060 Ti, 8GB GPUs Holding Back The Industry

I mean there's a 16GB version of that card so why are they so mad

>>101490951
So... negate the (((advantages))) of a K edition, artificially nerf it and enjoy the result? No thanks.
After I saw the max power usage of -K editions I knew they couldn't possibly sustain that long term, so I went with AyyMD for the first time. No regrets.

>>101490596
huh, a regular 4070 starts from 550€ for the shit coolers
could get a
>Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 Gaming OC V2
for 600€ which should outperform 7800XT and give all those nvidia proprietary goodies like DLSS and RT
is this stupid?

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Will the X3Ds be better?

>>101490982
The 16gb model is horrifically overpriced is the issue.

>>101490908
>It does. Disable cores in Loonix and you'll see exactly that
it disappears from /proc/cpuinfo
makes sense
>Different APIs report different values. Same as Windows Task Manager vs. HWiNFO.
and the "ryzen master" method is bullshit, it's fake
>Because 550MHz was chosen as the lowest step in the ACPI/PSTATE APIs. SMU operates on way more granular measurements.
post a video of you booting at 50 MHz
it's not possible, the cores aren't designed to run at 486 speeds
>Yes? That's what I've been saying?
and why should this factor into the CPU frequency, which is a measurement of how fast a core is able to process tasks? it went to sleep BECAUSE there was no work to do, i care about what it can do when there are tasks available to process
only AMD measures it this way because it looks good in their marketing

i don't understand why we're still arguing about this, who cares
do whatever you want with your chip until the magic smoke comes out

>>101490994
>5800x3d better than 5700x
>7800x3d better than 7700x
>9800x3d.....
Nope, they will be worse. Trust me bro.

>>101490983
for gaymers the single boost clocks and ecores are useless, so yeah you are paying for a whole lot of shit cores for nothing
buying a cpu and having to disable 2/3rds of it just for max performance is burning money tier yes
very stupid stuffs
>>101490994
The artificial sandbagging of waiting of dropping a X3D at launch is so fucking jewish

>>101491042
Cool it with the anti-semitism

>>101490983
See >>101486158

>>101491042
The real gamer's CPU, Bartlett lake S, will be launched next year on lga1700

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>>101491129

>>101491097
You can hardly expect him to buy Intel right now.

>>101491238
it is a nothingburger scare piece sponsored by advanced marketing devices.

>>101491013
>it disappears from /proc/cpuinfo
>makes sense
Not only that but the kernel threads are gone from the core. Its IRQ connections are migrated to other cores, so it will essentially be 100% asleep and SMU will show 0MHz.
>i don't understand why we're still arguing about this, who cares
We differ on our definitions of a power usage measurement instance.
>do whatever you want with your chip until the magic smoke comes out
Since it's 12th gen I doubt it will do that, but thanks.

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lol, lmao even

>>101491129
>just spend 10 days on manually tuning the CPU because the stock settings aren't ever going to be stable, and in fact they will physically degrade the chip
>I know better than Intel and every motherboard vendor how to set the chips up
The levels of cope are insane.

>>101485684 (me)
Ok from my research it seems like I should pick between Seagate and Toshiba? Since I want 4TB I'm choosing between the Toshiba Canvio Basics and the Seagate Portable, though I think I'm going with Toshiba since it seems like their drives fail less often.

>>101491305
that's a copy pasted pasta from a youtube video, btw
>>I know better than Intel and every motherboard vendor how to set the chips up
to be fair mobo manufacturer settings have been known to fry and degrade cpus forever, xmp settings overvolting cpus to disaster levels
running retard volts stock
on intel cpus, amd cpus, everytime
so yes, mobo manufacturers are kind of retards

>>101491400
Not in this case since the issue has been proven to exist on server motherboards from Supermicro and ASRock Rack that absolutely do not do all the things you mentioned. They run very conservative stock Intel settings, and still degrade.

>>101491453
that was not the point but yes

>>101491286
Man rendering all that ketchup on the left really takes up a lot of VRAM

>>101491267
Yeah 12-25% failure rate over one year is nothing. LMAO you retards are fucking hilarious. It should be 1%.

>>101490442
>Dude buy Nvidia for RT and framegen
>But don't use those because vram LOL

Corp sheep are something else.

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>>101491526
Spicy ketchup is expensive to render.

>>101491546
pic

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Hey there /pcbg/, looking stuff up on pcpp I noticed this review that has me worried. The user is talking about the SF-850F14XG, and I'm going to order the same card (except it's 4070 Super instead of 4070). How bad is this on a scale of minor annoyance to I am screwed?

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>>101491531
>Yeah 12-25% failure

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Steve finally reveals his true form.

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thoughts on 9600x?

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>>101491614
Until price is revealed see pic

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>>101491286
AMD Steve's user error

>>101491605
big if true

>>101491716
If this guy was right GPUs would have 0GB VRAM and still look the same with the same performance.
Literal brain damage.

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Intel is officially dead.

>>101489103
Use mayo lol

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>>101491772
>Literal brain damage
I'd say I'm sorry for your brain damage but this is 4chan

>>101491784
If the 9800x3d will be less than 500 why do other cpus even exist?

>>101491784
This is too unbelievable.

>>101491784
no way. source?

>>101491797
>literal whotuber
>grammar errors in text
Sure thing, bud.

>>101491784
Haha nice one
Nearly got me bro

>>101491716
Paying for cards with 12GB or less of VRAM is indeed a user error, I agree

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>>101491829
Grain of salt and all that, easy to fake this kind of stuff

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>>101491845
Having to use FSR in every new demanding game is worse than not having enough VRAM in a very few games
You might be able to find a few games where 8 GB of VRAM is a legitimate problem, but literally every new demanding game is a problem for Radeon's cards

>>101491805
You can't sell a 500 dorra product to someone who only has 300 dorra to spend.

>nvidia shill comes in to do damage control

>>101491896
Games are playable without dlss
Games are not playable without enough vram
checkmate delusional nvidiot

>>101491909
That's why everyone has those installment plans that destroy your credit score now.

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>>101491896
I agree, when you have to use upscaling instead of native it’s a bad situation, this is why I’m using only native

>>101491977
Good argument for the 4070 Ti Super and 4090 then. Because even a 4090 cannot max out your monitor in games with unreal engine in 4K resolution unfortunately.

>>101492018
What am I supposed to see here?

>>101491845
12GB OR less? So the 7700 XT is a bad card?

>>101492048
>>101492048
>>101492048

>>101491784
>9700X
>$300
in this economy? that's cheaper than the 1700 at launch

>>101492055
To me it seems like fake prices to pinpoint leakers

If true these prices will singlehandedly monopolize the cpu market. Intel will be buried alive

>>101492079
you people said that about the 7600X as well

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>>101491977
>slam every setting to ultra
>pretend game isn't playable
What if Ultra was actually tested for Radeon's cards?
The reality is that you can use High textures instead of Ultra in the rare instance where 8 GB isn't enough, so games are definitely playable. They're playable with FSR as well, it's just that every game will be ugly as fuck

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>>101492018
This is a problem with TAA in general, not with DLSS in particular. In fact, DLSS/DLAA is generally better than TAA in this regard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uON6kH3XTwI&t=208s

>>101489526
isn't the 6800XT the goat for price/perf?