5090 in 2025, waitfags btfo

we need maxsun in the west
https://wccftech.com/maxsun-terminator-b650m-100-budget-am5-motherboard-supports-amd-zen-5-cpus/

>all 13th and 14th gen Intels are fucked
>most powerful 12th gen is shat on by AMD's bottom of the barrel binning (Ryzen 7600)
Kekky times we live in

>>101531628
4090 is too fast for the 7800x3d anyway
9800x3d+4090 builds would be balanced
5090 will likely need a 11800x3d to not bottleneck

>>101531673
Dark times we live in
Now amd knows they have no real competition and can scalp zen5 for all they want

>>101531777
typically people with 4090 dont run games at 1080p for the cpu to cause a bottleneck

>>101531628
No, proper waitfags that aren't poor are on AM4 and RDNA 2/Ampere and are awaiting properly transcendent performance increases with Zen 6 and Rubin/RDNA 5

>>101531792
4090 frequently gets CPU bottlenecked by muh 7800x3d at 3440x1440
Denuvo is a blight on pc gaming

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>>101530417
Intel will surpass AMD in graphics too.
AMD is a shit company. All they did was wait for intel to boeing itself. AMD did nothing when it comes to innovation. They still cheaply glue their chiplets on a simple PCB board which leads to huge latencies, huge energy consumption, low bandwidth and bad thermals. The chip stacking thing is an innovation of TSMC that they simply took advantage of.

>>101531815
The iterative development of AMD projects like Zen has proven concepts and advanced computing more in the last 5 years than anything that Intel has done in the past 20, the hail mary of Zen 1 actually saved us from the dreadful world of Intel and Nvidia (no competition anymore so they'll turn into Intel 2 lol) being the only high performance silicon manufacturers.

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Hello pcbg

Are the Ryzen 8000G *PRO* coming out with the new zen5 cpus? I need them for the ECC support.

They've been announced since april but I haven't seen anything recent about them.

Would appreciate any recent articles and leads from someone more informed.

>>101531953
zen 4 doesn't have the limitations on ecc that zen 3 had, I doubt zen 5 will add them back

>>101531953
those are out for months already
https://touchlite.co.uk/15322/product/120324184/amd-ryzen-7-pro-8700ge-processor-3-6-ghz-16-mb-l3/100-000001240

>>101531988
wha I couldn't find a single listing near me, what the heck (southern europe)

thanks anon

>>101532037
Welp I didn't realise availability would be so limited and that they would be sold at such a markup...

I wanted a solution with good iGPU and ECC support but it's basically out of reach; guess I'm back on team blueoid

Rate my upgrade shopping list:
CPU: 5800X3D (I have an AM4 board and I don't want to switch to AM5 yet)
GPU: Gigabyte 4080 Super Gayming OC
Case: Lancool III
Misc: GPU support, because I'm fucking paranoid even though Gigabyte provides a support bracket with their GPUs.

Would it be worth it to pay a little bit more for Suprim X/Aorus Master/TUF for better temps/noise?

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>big companies dont use water coolin-

>>101532695
Uhmm I used Corsair H115i water for an emergency enema and got poisoned and had to be hospitalized bigot

>>101532695
who are you quoting

is it just case of indians spamming what they find humorous because elon musk

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>>101532695
surely anon wouldn't be so retarded as to equate datacenter liquid cooling with using aios

>>101532181
Regular Ryzens have IGPs and support ECC. The problem is finding a board that actually uses the error correcting bit.

>>101532614
Looks fine. Your question is a value judgement that nobody but you can answer.

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>jewfus won
Have you apologized yet

>>101533261
buy an ad, bugchasers

The fix is to upgrade to AMD.

>>101531553
I stupidly bought 6000mhz memory for a 7600 which has max supported memory of 5200, should i just load up the expo settings and just clock down the ram to 5200mhz or would that cause issues?

>>101533447
Boot it. Turn EXPO on. Test stability. If it's unstable, dial back to 5600.

>>101533447
7600 sweet spot is still 6000MT/s despite of what Intel niggers will tell you online. Just boot, set the EXPO profile and tighten the timings.
I am running Ryzen 7600 with 6000MT/s CL30 with Buildzoid's Hynix timings and it just works

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>>101533261
>turn down voltage
>cpu un-rusts itself

>>101533475
Yea but every time i use the expo speeds it resets the speed to stock non expo speeds after every restart

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>>101531673
>>101531784
>>101533427
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-addresses-13th-14th-gen-core-instability-elevated-voltage-to-blame-microcode-update-incoming
>nothingburger overblown
>non issue for tuners
>microcode dropping
it's over for amd again

>>101533269
apologize

>>101533535
Don't tell me you cheaped out on the motherboard

>>101533547
Sorry I can't hear you over my 7800X3D

>>101533447
>max supported memory of 5200,
Max supported memory targets the bottom of the barrel of memory controller silicon quality. 99% of the time 6000 will work on 7600.
>and just clock down the ram to 5200mhz
If you are the unlucky 1% then yes. Most likely will be unnecessary though, enjoy your ram.

>>101533549
Motherboard says it support 7200mhz plus

>>101533547
No you apologize for being a turbo faggot

>>101533535
3 main possibilities:
>Your CMOS battery is dying
Test: Voltmeter
Solution: Replace it
>The EXPO timings are unstable and fail to train
Test: HCI Memtest, graduating to TM5 Extreme if no errors are detected
Solution: Downclock memory or titrate voltage
>Bug in BIOS
Solution: Update to latest stable version

https://youtu.be/AZgLHglPCKE?si=kxQUMS7gfuBPoleU
9900x gaymen benchmark is out

>>101533221
i dont want regular ryzens, i need an igpu

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Day 474 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>101533645
>>101533221
waaaait a second the 7600 is a non X cpu and has an igpu
>am I le saved?

Sitting on a 5600X at the moment, not sure if I should wait for the new Ryzens or just snag a 7800X3D since they seem to be priced around the same

>>101533547
Truly Intel is my greatest ally.

>>101533631
>Disastrous losses in 0.1% and 1% lows
as always, never buy non X3D ryzens

>>101533631
Raptor lake keeps on winning.

>>101533749
>degrades in your path

>>101533810
It is a nothing burger stupid amdrone.

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>>101533818

>>101533261
????
turning down core voltage is not the same fix as a microcode update in the bios adjusting vddc and etc.

>>101533631
>2.4ghz IF confirmed
So 7200mt/s is the new sweet spot

>>101533846
setting manual voltages on mobo vs auto
???

>>101533880
4800c99 with x3d > non x3d w/ 7200c30

>>101533902
thats irrelevant
the point is that 9800x3d will also sweet spot at 7200mt/s

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how exactly does your pc utilize vram? lets say a game Im playing needs 10gb of vram, but my gpu only has 8gb, will my vram usage stay at 100%? Im thinking of getting a 4070 super, testing out the games I play, and possibly returning for a ti super if I do require more vram

Convince me to get a 4070 super instead of a 7900 gre

>>101533680
All Zen 4 CPU have an iGPU except 7500F

>>101533888
everyone is telling you to change the core voltage/llc options. the microcode is supposed to fix the actual root cause which is not core voltage or llc.

>>101533961
I'm not going to lie to you anon and tell you to get the worse product - there are plenty of shills here who can do that for free.

>>101533680
All Zen4 Ryzens have an IGP with the exception of the 7500F. Again, your main problem is going to be finding a consumer board that properly utilizes ECC. Many will boot; few will correct. FWIW you have the same problem on Intel but at least the W680 boards document it.

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>zen5 disappoints
>arrow lake unlikely to be much better
>next-gen GPUs delayed to 2025
is there anything interesting coming this year?

>>101533929
>ets say a game Im playing needs 10gb of vram, but my gpu only has 8gb, will my vram usage stay at 100%?
It will sit at around 100% and the gpu will start paging out to system ram (which is sloooow). Though it depends on how a game needs the memory - for textures it might page out and be real slow, or it will simply just not load the good quality ones so you get potatovision as it only keeps the low quality assets loaded just to fit into the available memory.

>>101533929
From worst to best:
>Game crashes
Rare these days.
>Page to system memory
Tanks your FPS.
>Texture failure
Pop-in, deload, or default purple "no texture".
>Texture downgrade
Best case but still a jarring downgrade to visual quality.

>>101533961
>Can do every RT task besides path tracing, won't shit itself in high settings like GRE, although watch out for VRAM on high resolutions though
>DLSS is noticeably better on low res.
>Has CUDA, if you ever want to mess with AI memes it will work better. GRE has more VRAM but shit is harder to get working properly in ayyyymd

>>101533929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecvuRvR8Uls

>>101533965
not exposing the cpu to higher volts in the first place would have the same effect, no?
after microcode updates it would just solve this alltogether though?
>>101534004
>average fps shown
jewish metric, avoid
up to 30% lower 1% lows
50% lower 0.1% lows in video

>>101534128
by lowering core voltage or changing llc, you're changing other parameters that may or may not be visible to you in the bios.

the microcode is the actual fix because it addresses the root problem in the formula table rather than nerfing the whole curve.

>>101534128
lowering voltage is a workaround rather than a fix. like how people tell you to disable hw acceleration or mpo, its not a fix its a workaround to a bigger issue.

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>>101534053
>won't shit itself in high settings like GRE

>>101533261
Framechasers are insane, they were aware of the contaminated fabricating process batch 9months ahead of everyone else, basically before they got even stamped out of factories, and had a fucking fix the cpus degrading. Fucking crazy, hop on the discord boys, and remember take care of your self first.

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>>101534170
>-Ack!

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What's the point of pigtailed pcie connectors if they can't provide more than 150w?

>>101534250
There are no RT games worth playing.

>>101534256
The connector cannot handle more.
The wires themselves can (depending on a ton of factors)

>>101534249
The last good Intel CPU to buy was 10900/10850k and the only decent looking upcoming chip from them is Bartlett lake-s 10 and 12 p-core only skus with everything else being fluffed up cinebench crunchers.

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>>101534263
>goalpost moving after getting BTFO'd

>>101534256
Adding to >>101534303, the connectors have a huge safety factor these days too. 2x is standard and 3-5x is not uncommon on more premium PSUs. Obviously you don't want to use that margin, and you really don't have to if you spec your PSU to the build, but don't worry about it if you end up with like 180W per connector.

>>101534004
>zen5 disappoints
AMD themselves said that none of the new chips would beat the 7800x3d, I don't see why people where expecting them to do so after that. Like always gaymers should wait for x3d.

>>101534004
>9900x
>2 6-core dies
The only CPUs for gaymers to consider in zen5 are the 9600/9700 depending on price, of course those who have money should either get a 7800x3D or wait for the 9800x3D.

Apparently AMD is doing some Zen4c on 6nm CCDs as budget parts for AM5

new 'zoid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYfBxmBfq7k

How do I keep my room temperature below 23 degrees celcius if I have a high end rig? It got as worse as 29 degrees once but it was hot on that day and I live in a cold country so no AC.

>>101534610
rig it neat to a window so that a pipe leads all the hot air out

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>>101534603
I should get around to watching this and his other video on it and I don't want to sound like a retarded ADHD zoomer but damn the one hour length is demotivating me.
The guy rambles around the subject in his videos for too long. Most of his videos can easily be half the length. And no the "self-aware" titles do not help.

anyone else always last-gen on purpose? the 5900x with 12 cores is about 249 bux here, and has massive performance. thinking about upgrading from a 5600x.

>>101534593
That's actually a good thing, releasing some cheap CPUs with a bunch of economy cores is something I always said Intel should do.

Help me Anons, anyone still makes small graphic cards? I need a half-height graphics card for a Linux server that will fit into a PCIe x4 slot. Performance is totally irrelevant.

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>>101534722
Gigabyte make a chibi 4060.

>>101534698
Do you actually have any need for 24 threads?
5700x3d for less money will perform better on games.
Neither are massive upgrades over 5600x unless you truly need multicore perf.

>>101534743
I am an nvidia linux user but if he is not gayming buying amd is just less BS for dumping display.
Also probably go for 1030 if going with the nvidia route for some reason.

>>101534722
They make half-height 4060s if Nvidia is acceptable. On the AMD side I think the OEM 6500 is the best you can get. If, as you say, performance is totally irrelevant then you could even go for a 6400 or GT1030. Unfortunately all of these are x16 length so you'd have to dremel the x4 slot open (if it isn't already).

>>101534743
Thanks, but it must fit into a x4 slot.

>>101534743
this is still x16, it will not fit in an x4 slot unless it's open-ended
>>101534722
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2MsKHx/zotac-video-card-zt6060510l

Is it worth it to buy a VESA monitor arm instead of using the stand that comes included with the monitor? Are those arms really that much better or is it just a meme?

i cant take buildzoid seriously when he sounds like kermit the fucking frog

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All parts ordered. I've spent most of the last month researching parts and watching YouTube tech channels, learned a lot. Sometimes difficult to work out what to go for when there's contrasting info online and sometimes a product might have 1000 reviews, an average of 4.6, but I focus on those 1 stars so every part seemed shit in some way. Never built before, maybe I made some mistakes with part selection, but I think it'll turn out alright for my price range.

>amd gpu
lol

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>>101535056
>not 6000 CL30 RAM
lamo

>>101535056
stop falling for amd gpu memes
when will you people learn

>>101535066
Did you enjoy paying your 20% markup for a feature that you cant use in 99% of games and is only useful for generating r34 porn? All while sacrificing 4-8 gigs of vram?

>>101535028
lol his voice does get fucking whiny the longer he rants. it does end up sounding like kermit

>>101535056
Bad ram choice but besides that it is fine.

>>101535086
Fell for the AMD gpu meme last year in may and it is great, best gpu I have purchased

>>101535056
>cpu
ok
>cooler
good
>motherboard
really should have gotten asrock or gigabyte since they've got memory training done right
>ram
i'd say you messed up badly here
non-x3d ryzen really needs fast ram to get the best out of it. 6000cl30 would have been ideal
>https://youtu.be/aD-4ScpDSo8?t=657
>storage
ok
>gpu
not the best choice
6800 non-xt or paying upwards for a 7800xt would've been better
>case
??
>power supply
rme series has pretty poor QC, with some units having noisy fans or annoying coil whine. i hope you get a good one

>>101535056
it's ok for your first build, enjoy

>>101535198
>really should have gotten asrock or gigabyte since they've got memory training done right
MSI motherboards mem train fast enough. Let this early am5 meme fucking die already. Just update the fucking BIOS. Or you know mem context restore. But it's fast enough without it.
>rme series has pretty poor QC, with some units having noisy fans or annoying coil whine. i hope you get a good one
Damn is this true? I fucking hate how many highly praised shit have acoustic problems and no one fucking mentions it until you buy it.

Tldr: want to build PC. Wait or start building now?

I currently don’t have a PC but have been planning on building one again for a while. Does it make sense to buy parts now or should I Just Wait? Mainly talking about the CPU and motherboard, since even after the 9000 series come out I’ll likely just get a used/discounted 7900x or something. Should I expect big price differences between now and the first weeks or month(s) after the 9000 series comes out? I’m in a big EU country.
I mentioned the motherboard as well even though current ones will be compatible with future AM5 CPUs because I remember hearing something about x670 boards being retarded. Not sure what it was about exactly though. Are the bad enough to make x770 or whatever the next gen will be called worth waiting for? I would also look for a used or heavily discounted x670 (or b650).
I’d also get the GPU used, preferably an nvidia 40x0 or something like a 3090(ti). But the 50 series release still seems to be a while away

>>101534679
Buildzoid videos are best watched at 2X speed.

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Yes/no?
Unsure about the RAM, some people seem to be saying that it doesn't actually run at 6000, but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of low-profile alternatives

>>101535303
Build it when you actually need it now. Waiting is a trap retards fall into all the time. "just wait for the next best thing". Nigga, there's always going to be a next best thing and you're going to be waiting forever. It ain't stopping the 'next best thing'. Last gen are still the same price as before, 'next best thing' doesn't drive prices down like they used to. You want discounts, buy things 3 or even 4 gens ago.
As for GPU advice, pick one that you need for the shit you want to do. Want to just game on 1440p? get a 4060 or the AMD equivalent. Browsing internet and just watching youtube, then don't buy a GPU and get a CPU with an igpu.

>>101535343
looks good
why black ram though? dont they offer a white version?

>>101535343
You probably do not need X670.
>low-profile alternatives
Corsair.

>>101535273
I had an rm750e which I quickly sold off on ebay
Absolute worst ear raping fan noise ever
Imagine a small bag of rocks
And worst of all it just turns on randomly, you have absolutely NO control over it

>>101535303
If you need a computer now, build it now. If you already have a PC or other computing device that does everything you need it to, don't bother building a new PC until you need to replace it.

And future proofing is a meme anyway. GPUs and storage are probably the only thing you will realistically be swapping/adding in the near future, and those are universally compatible with pretty much any motherboard. Stuff like CPU/RAM/motherboard won't really need to be replaced for at least 5 years, at which point you're probably better off buying new replacements for all those components when the time comes to replace them (rather than spending twice as much on a "futureproof" motherboard now, upgrading the CPU 2/3 years later, then finding that your PC is still outdated in 5 years time).

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>>101535386
Not at this particular retailer no
My setup isn't especially aesthetic anyway, so long as I can avoid RGBs I'm content
>>101535400
The price difference between that x670 and the B650s isn't very big so I thought I might as well
Corsair RAM I can find is mostly C32 or C36

>>101533965
source: my ass

>>101534128
>>101534158
is the microcode what sends our data to the NSA and mossad?

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i tried to update my BIOS via IPMI but it has been stuck for like 20 minutes on 99%. anyone have any ideas? is it still working or did i break it?

>>101535355
>>101535470
Yeah I’m not trying to “future proof” or get “the next great thing”. Basically my rambling boils down to:
1- Should I expect much lower prices on 7000 CPUs after 9000 CPUs become available?
2- Is there anything particularly wrong with b650 and x670 motherboards that would make waiting for the next gen ones worth it? Some first gen AM5 retardation or ram compatibility issues (if that even depends on the motherboard)
> next best thing' doesn't drive prices down like they used to.
Thanks

>>101535303
>waiting for cpus/platforms
retarded, nothing ever changes, new amd is worse than old amd
both intel and amd cpus on sale countless times and cheap

>waiting for a 5090
makes sense if you wanna be without a pc for 5months

>waiting for anything else
uhhhh

>>101535588
1. No
2. No

>>101535527
>>101535536
think of when amd had to deploy an agesa update to fix their soc voltage.

>>101535588
No to both your questions. And even if you were able to save money by waiting a bit, you'd probably only save a few hundred at most, which really isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things. If you're at a point in your life where that is a significant amount of money for you, you need a job before you start spending silly amounts of money on a gaymen PC.

>>101535556
Just wait.
People just need to be patient. Holy shit.

>>101535486
If the GSKILL one actually has issues(I have no clue about it, taking your word for it). The very minor performance loss for CL32 or CL36 is 100% worth it.
Primary timings do not matter that much. You won't notice jackshit in practice.

What’s the best performing thermal paste at the moment? Looking into repasting my laptop

>>101535556
Nature does not hurry but everything is accomplished

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>>101535706
>>101535876
it has now been about 45 minutes. still loading

>>101535899
Go for a walk in the woods

is there any proof of gpu sag causing actual damage to pcie ports?

>>101535925
it doesn't unless you live in a construction zone

>>101535925
4090 pcbs cracked to the degree gigabyte redesigned the connecting part where they crack
watch repair channels

>>101535848
Look into using tpm7950, it's very good for laptops

>>101535951
caused by poor shipping conditions and irrelevant

>>101535925
missed your entire point
>pcie port
a mobo for 150bucks is alot less than a 2.5k gpu

>>101535951
learn to read. im talking about the ports on the mobo, not the gpu itself

>>101535735
Fair enough
I honestly know very little about RAM so I just followed the recommended, but I'll have another look!

>>101535925
its not even that it will only damage the pcie connector, it causes stress across the whole board which can lead to other difficult to identify failures

>>101536013
this is peak fear mongering for something that has literally never happened to anyone with a computer

>>101535986
Don't listen to that anon
Avoid buying 6000 cl36 ram since Samsung dies are often found in this bin. These run hot and far less stably than cl30-32 hynix sticks. They are plain inferior not only from a performance perspective but also stability

Thoughts on this build? I don't want to spend more than $300 on the GPU.

https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/custom-pc-builder.aspx?load=a2239e72-f665-44f7-b6c7-7715b6d4377c

>>101535918
my server isnt even on right now. should it be on while updating the BIOS?

>>101536054
lol

>>101536032
gpus die
some gpus that die can be fixed by reflowing
this is because of damaged solder joints
board stress contributes to damaged solder joints

>>101536113
as likely as walking outside and getting struck by lightning during a snowstorm in texas

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>>101533631
Spreadsheet comparing to the 7800X3D.

But more importantly, can a heavy GPU cause any issues when the whole computer in being moved around in a car?

>>101536113
Holy shit, the guy is talking about the PCIe PORTS not the fucking GPU itself.

>>101536174
yes. if it's not moving there is nothing to worry about thoughever

>>101536157
Once more proving that the x900x chips are meh at gaming. A shocking fact we've known since the 3900x.

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>4tb Lexar NM790
yay or nay?

>>101536205
Hasn't basically every Ryzen from the -600 and up been the same for games each gen since the first one? Since there are minimal differences going up other than cores. Only the introduction of 3D v-cache changed something.

>>101531553
What's a good MB to give my 1060 the retirement home it deserves?

>>101536157
>average fps
ignore, jewish metric
in fortnight the 9900x has 30% lower 1% lows and 50% lower 0.1% fps lows
it's way worse than depicted here
avoid all non x3d cpus if you are buying poozen for gaming
>>101536205
way worse than that
>>101536267
x3d was the first good ryzen gaming cpu

>>101536350
>x3d was the first good ryzen gaming cpu
Untrue, Ryzens were good because they were cheap and you got a lot of bang for your buck. Intel could be faster but you'd pay significantly more and have to deal with their infernal temperatures hence all the delidded 9900Ks etc.

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Is there any AIB that is not fucking the consumer with thermal paste kikery with Nvidia GPUs? Igorslab didn't say anything about Gigabyte but they use shitty sleeve bearing fans in most of their cards.

>>101536267
The dual-CCD models (x900 & x950) get a penalty in some games due to latency/scheduling but sometimes make up for it with higher boost clocks. On the whole they're not recommended for pure gaming but are generally fine for a mixed gaming/work rig.
The key factor for the "Zen4 X3D vs. Zen5 question" will be the price of the 7600X and the memory scaling. Basically the 9600X, with fast DDR5, needs to match the 7800X3D for less money to be viable. If not, then stick to Zen4 - 7600 for budget or 7800X3D for high-end.

>>101536409
*price of the 9600X.

>>101536368
being cheap and being shit does not make it good
they lost to intel all along and were dipping all along the way
just because amd made one cheap 6 core and then bumped up the price ever after while still being shit does not make them good
>>101536409
it doesnt match you already see 50% less performance, it's over

>>101536404
it is affecting basically all RTX cards and I know FOR SURE asus is guilty because the state of my thermal paste after 1 and a half years on my 2070 super from Asus was shocking, literally just dry and crusty barely covering the entire die, I re pasted it and literally dropped 20 degrees Celsius

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>>101536447
>being cheap and being shit does not make it good
But it wasn't shit thoughever that's the point. Zen1 and Zen+ worked perfectly fine for budget builds. And Zen2 essentially caught Intel with its pants down.

>>101536516
Anon you're arguing with a script. You can't change its mind.

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>>101535986
Ignore this moron>>101536052 instead.
>run hot
Nowhere enough to damage hardware.
Only relevant for manual OC voltage pushing and trefi cranking headroom.
>less stably
What are you even talking about? It hits jedec like any normal ram and couldn't find any review that mentions expo instability. Manual OC shenanigans does not matter for the OP.
>They are plain inferior not only from a performance
The highest gaming bench I could find puts the difference between CL30 and CL36 at 2%, it's usually even less.

>>101535343
I have 4x G.Skill FlareX 6000 CL30 EXPO enabled with the Buildzoid subtimings and it just werks.

I’m sitting on a 11400 build right now looking to build new this year, was wondering if i make the jump to AMD or stick with intel

What do you think? It’s either go B670 and a 7600 as an entry point, or B760 with a 14400 or wait for Intel 15th gen

What do? Will i regret going amd?

>>101532614
>better temps/noise
you spend a little less and get a PNY XLR8 if you actually want that and not just brandfagging

>>101536822
What sort of budget and uses are you looking at?

>>101536404
all thermal paste is gonna separate and spread out on gpus. they test it on heatspreaders for cpus not under direct die cycles. the only fix is pcm.

>>101536895
1500$ ish, building in ITX, targeting mostly high refresh 1440p gaming and daily work stuff, coding, excel

>>101536822
If you're going to buy a new motherboard anyway might as well switch to AMD. Intel has been repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot lately.

>>101536516
>techspot/hwub
>average fps
>does not play games
I know the entire history, I was here all along
>And Zen2 essentially caught Intel with its pants down.
lmao
>budget
>perfectly fine
This is the only point really

>>101536675
Remember how techtubers came out years after admitting they were overly nice shilling ryzen just because, in reality they did not agree with this narrative at all?
just move on lmao

I haven't been keeping up with the news concerning Intel's CPU shit. I run an 13th i7, have 0 crashes or instability issues going on, do I have to update my bios? Last update I did was last year or something.

>>101537121
better safe than sorry.
yes, you will notice a slowdown with your pc, but i wouldn't risk it since the patch they're pushing out isn't until august. so if your pc starts crashing before that then they won't do an rma until it's completely fixed.

>>101537159
Does it matter if you're on AM4 and not AM5?

>>101537171
Wrong reply?

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I actually fucking hate the fact that an 80 card is $1000 so fucking much
we really didnt know how good we had it during pascal
if only AMD didnt suck ass and could actually compete with nvidia

Just admit it.
Intel lost.
Israel lost.

>>101537235
I agree - AMD should compete so I can buy nvidia for cheaper.

>>101537243
>Intel lost.
They lost the enthusiast market but they won't lose until they lose the enterprise customers. They are reimbursing them for he costs of defective CPUs so that is still unlikely to happen even with this shitshow.
>Israel lost.
I wish but they are going to have a shabbos goy who either has a jewish husband or a jewish daughter in the office a few months later.
It's not like Brandon didn't have chosen in-laws and cabinet full of them either, but he was surprisingly harsher on them by the amerigolem standards.

>>101537235
why did you stay poor for so long, take accountability

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are lcd screens on AIOs a meme or are they worth it?

>>101537324
>are they worth it?
it's a purely cosmetic thing, it's up to you and your preferences if you're willing to spend extra for them

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amd lost

>>101537198
Nah, I am this guy >>101537121 I was just wondering, since I don't read anything about it, if this was something that hit AM5 systems harder than AM4. Anyway Bios has been updated as are all other tools, thanks for the swift reply.

>>101537235
>he didn't buy amd stock in 2015 and sold in 2021 for a free 73x
>he didn't buy into nvda with all that money in 2021 and sold off in 2024 for a free 9x
it's over

>>101537384
anon....why are you asking about amd cpus when it only affected intel....?

>>101537426
Cause I am an idiot sandwich that only just realised my mistake

>>101537324
Not worth it. If you really want some screen in your case just buy one of those cheap rpi screen and plug it into your gpu or even your igpu if your cpu has one.

>>101536993
Okay. At that budget you can have your pick. You'd be looking at a 7700(X) or 12700K/14500 since you want some multicore grunt. I think with current prices I'd take the 7700X with the option of the X3D if you play a lot of CPU-bound games. You can't really go wrong with either right now though - feel free to pick Intel if you'd like to reuse your DDR4 or whatever.

where are the ddr5 ecc ram???

>>101536157
>9900x
2ccd cpus will always be shit in gayming

>>101537806
all ddr5 has built-in ecc, you stupid nigger

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EVGA Supernova 850G XC
or
bequiet! Pure Power 12 M 850w?

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>>101537881
Be quiet review pic related

EVGA PSU has no reviews

>>101537877
Not proper ECC.

>>101537806
>>101538133
There is proper ddr5 ecc.
Though they are built different than standard ddr5 sticks.
You need threadripper/epyc board for that.

how exactly does higher temperatures long term = faster cpu death?

>>101538325
No you don't
7600x through the 7950x all support ECC
though technically there are epyc branded am5 equivalents so every am5 board is an epyc board now

>>101538378
Electrons vibrate n' shit and sometimes get lost and end up in silent hill rather than their wagie cage inside your cpu.

>>101538378
more heat means more wiggles
wiggles break the cpu

>>101538391
Do the consumer AM5 boards actually utilize the ECC bit? A lot of AM4 boards would boot with ECC DIMMs installed but you didn't get any error correction.

>>101531628
delet

realistically it won't happen r-right?
i got a 4k oled and i'm still on 3080 10gb waiting on new gpus...

>>101538391
Yes you do if you don't want the unregistered meme.
Registered ddr5 has different layout and won't fit/work on an am5 board.
I guess you can LARP with the meme unregistered ECC if you really want though.
>though technically there are epyc branded am5 equivalents so every am5 board is an epyc board now
Delusional retardation I won't even bother to address.

>>101537881

evga: which switch am i to press
bequiet!: cannot mistake this time

>>101538486
>>101538441
there is decent board support but you will have to go out of your way to find one
https://youtu.be/n1tXJ8HZcj4?t=470
registered/unregistered has nothing to do with ecc

>>101538480
>3080 10gb
let me guess, you """need""" more

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Intel sisters...
How do we respond??

>>101537235
If you adjust for inflation, the GTX 1080 with a $599 MSRP in mid '16 costs about $800 today.
$1000 still sucks but it's more due to the lack of competition.
There's also a point to be made that the 4070 Ti Super (16GB) with a further cutdown AD103 GPU should've been the $800 RTX 4080 instead of the $900 unlaunched 4080 12GB (rebranded as 4070 Ti)

>>101537881
>EVGA
Is a zombie company at this point with minimum upkeep going into their CS/RMA (if any).
Their Z790 motherboards never even got a BIOS update to be compatible with 14th gen CPUs.

>>101538922
i dont get it

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>>101538922

>>101538947
In Sweden the 4080 costs 2x the amount I paid for my 6800XT.

Just bought a gaming PC, what am I in for

>>101539139
disaster

Hey I'm looking for an AMD laptop because I'm going to run Linux on it.

Going to use for software development, general use, and some mild gaming while away from home (I have a desktop setup).

Is there anything I should avoid? I would be looking to get an i7/Ryzen 7 tier CPU but unsure what the current meta/product selection is.

Thank you,

>>101539139
Have you ever heard the tale of Chuck's?

>>101539139
degradation

>>101539237
Intel laptops suck balls.
AMD laptop CPUs are pretty good but they name those things as confusingly as possible to trick you.
What level of gaming do you expect?

>>101539139
realizing that you overspent on every component because the last good game was made a decade ago

>>101539392
I am a 30 year old boomer so actually a bunch of 10+ year old games

FFXIV
Gamecube (and older) emulators
Total War (Shogun 2 era)
Paradox games
Older Civilization games (5 & younger)

And then run any new random stuff at 30+ FPS even if at minimal settings.

I would also like smooth 4K/60 video playback.

I've been using work-provided laptops for a decade so unsure of what's actually good.

>>101539139
There are practically no new games worth playing.
New as in the games that push the latest PC hardware to the limit.
We're still dealing with cross-generation slop, about four years into the PS5's launch cycle.

>>101539014
its just about the insane failure rates of 14900k's in gaming servers

>>101538922
Intel unironically has a Jeet infiltration issue.

Im one click away from buying the 4070 super
convince me not to
I do not care for the extra vram of the ti super

>>101539739
7900 GRE is better value

>>101539739
7900GRE is faster is non ray traced tasks also do you really need a new gpu? is your current one inadequate

>>101539770
as long as you dont play video games or do productivity applications or AI porn

>>101539739
>>101539805
4070 super is objectively worse value and worse hardware than the 7900gre. Especially when every 4070 super by third party is using pumped out paste instead of ptm7950 like XFX.

>>101539805
>AI porn
It can still pump like 20 images a minute in Stable Diffusion, that's plenty for personal use.

>>101539848
>pumped out paste
the same taiwanese companies that produce 40xx gpus produce amds gpus and use same paste

>4070 super is objectively worse value and worse hardware than the 7900gre
as long as you dont play video games or do productivity applications or AI porn

>>101539805
>as long as you dont play video games or do productivity applications or AI porn
AI porn is shit

>>101539848
XFX cards with PTM7950 applied cost $50~100 more.

>>101539931
Nope. All future cards from XFX ship with it now. Just don't buy old stock (7900XT), buy new (7900GRE/magair)

>>101539950
Is XFX better than Sapphire now?

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Why there's always red light? PC working fine.

>>101539980
powercolour is good from my limited experience with a red devil card from them

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>>101540033
VGA

>>101540033
read the manual and find out

>>101540034
So is Asus the only bad partner for AMD card?

>>101540033
I kinda hate how that entire thing looks like
Its the man with no taste of case innards.

>>101539739
just get whatever as long it's not amd

>>101540164
I am not sure desu I am guessing the thermal paste problem applies to them and they are expensive but they do make pretty decent coolers for their cards

>>101540168
if it works it works

>>101540168
> I kinda hate how that entire thing looks like
What's wrong? Missing LGBTQ+++ lights? Or just jealous?
> Its the man with no taste of case innards.
To be honest I wanted black box without window but it turned out that no RGB components are hard to find and windowless cases are extremely expensive. I've seen some fractal cases like 3+ times more expensive and without RGB hub like this one has.

>>101540238
Same, I wanted a no-glass case but most manufacturers don't offer them and the only case that did that I liked was the torrent and that's a $200 case while all the others were at the $100 price range. Not to mention that the RGB versions of those cases all came with an included fan hub while the non-rgn didn't and all for like a $10 difference, the RGB versions also tend to always be in stock with the non-rgb sometimes being out of stock. It's just getting harder to buy a closed black box for a decent price.

>>101539653
Chinkpad with at least the 7840H because it has the 780M iGPU and it handles a higher power limit compared to the 7840U

>>101539950
>Nope. All future cards from XFX ship with it now.
Bullshit, it's limited to their new SKUs with removable fans.

Why is this so cheap?

https://www.newegg.ca/msi-pro-mp245v-23-8-fhd/p/N82E16824475335?Item=N82E16824475335

Which 3060 12GB maker/model is the best?

Any recommendations for a good 24 inch monitor for 100-130 bucks. Thought about this one https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Border-Less-Compatible-Adjustable-LS24AG302NNXZA/dp/B096N2MV3H/

Bros recommend me a good AIO for the 7800X3D

>>101540787
TR Frozen Prism

>>101540787
Liquid freezer III 280mm.

>>101533547
Isnt the damage to the hardware already done?

AIO or Air cooler
Which one do you prefer?

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>>101539770
>>101539848
>7900 GRE
You ((((save)))) like $50 just to lose DLSS, good RT perf, good drivers, etc. Holding image quality equivalent, the 4070 Super is more like the 7900 XT or 7900 XTX, which means the 4070 Super is vastly better value, as DLSS Quality at 1440p or 4K is better than or equivalent to native in 2/3s of the tested games, of course with an often 30% perf boost in those cases.

>>101538427
Correct

>>101540943
The only thing that can go wrong with an air cooler is the fan, and it's pretty cheap to replace them.

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>>101537348
This is why the red jew raised the price of the 7800X3D, hopefully in order to trick reviewers into using the last known price (instead of its commonly available price), making Zen5 look as if it's a worthwhile release

>>101537121
>do I have to update my bios?
Yes, or tweak your settings. Degradation is likely slowly occurring, and once it progresses past a certain point, you'll have to massively change the boosting behavior of the CPU to get it stable (or RMA, if that's going to be an option)

>>101536822
You don't have a horrible CPU right now; I would wait to see what Intel's next gen CPUs can do. But you're also not going to go wrong with an R5 7600.

>>101536054
That card is going to be loud. Get a better version.

Beep boop nvidiabot 3.7 online

4070 Ti Super or should I just spend the extra 200$ to get a 4080 super?
I'm almost done with my build, just need to pick the gpu

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>>101535056
That Zen4 chip is going to be very slow without fast RAM. All reviewers use 6000CL30 RAM, which is why you see the Zen4 chips as close as they are to Intel's recent chips

>>101540769
Cmon pcbg bros. Someones gotta have a model he can recommend. I refuse to believe you all use 27 inch or paid 300 for your 24.

>>101531815
You have no idea wtf you talking about and it shows and you should stfu forever

>>101537348
Its literally 1 generation wtf did you expect retard how dumb are you

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>>101533961
DLSS is the easy answer. >>101540956 Makes the 4070 Super the 7900 XTX equivalent in a lot of situations, and sometimes better, as with any demanding RT the 4070 Super is already as good or better than the 7900 XTX even without using DLSS

>>101541139
Good thing I didnt buy Zen4 when it launched and just went 5800x3d
My country dont have fast rams back then

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Is there a monitor I can buy where I can have a lot of windows open at the same time with 30-something vision? I dont want to go multimonitor just yet

>>101541341
>>101540956
Get a tripcode already so I can filter you

>>101541384
He literally just posts the same thing with the same pictures, over and over and over. I honestly thought he was a bot at first.

>>101538480
i'm on 3080 10gb and i can safely skip the 5000 series

>>101541371
I mean any big 4K monitor should do that

what's my best option for a new gpu in the $3-400 range? for 1080 now, maybe 1444 later

is repasting the GPU a meme? seems like the stock paste is good enough if you don't autistically monitor the temp and the card is working fine otherwise

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>>101533929
>needs
That's a tricky question. A lot of games will allocate far more than they need, and in that case, there's usually no penalty for having less VRAM than what the game allocates on a 24 GB GPU or something.

Of course also the Ultra texture settings are no different visually from High, except that of course they occupy more VRAM. Currently there are only a handful of games that legitimately need more than 8 GB (and this is usually only a slight overrun) for the highest settings. 12 GB cards aren't even close to hitting their VRAM limits

>>101540734
The MSI Ventus 3X is the cheapest card with an overkill cooler, barely more expensive than the cheapest card on pcpartpicker
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#xcx=0&sort=price&c=499

TPU has a roundup of a small number of cards; generally it's hard to find comparative reviews, especially of the variants that are available now
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/palit-geforce-rtx-3060-dual-oc/34.html

>>101540564
It's old garbage, not even 144 Hz

>>101540769
At that price range, you need IPS. Start here and look for professional reviews for individual models.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=192001080&F=594360000,635000000&sort=price&D=144000,540000&P=2
The good news is that decent quality IPS monitors are easy to come by, so you're not going to have a horrible time with any of those cheap monitors

>>101541567
>there are only a handful of games that legitimately need more than 8 GB
How much does nvidia pay you to spew this bullshit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecvuRvR8Uls

>>101541519
Wouldn't a 4k monitor just be like 1080p with scaling? Are they usable without 2x scaling?

>>101541567
so are you saying set texture to high in most cases?

>>101540769
>>101541157
MSI G244PF-E2, check professional reviews though.

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>>101541567
>Of course also the Ultra texture settings are no different visually from High
I meant, 'Ultra texture settings are OFTEN no different visually from High'

>>101541414
>same pictures
A picture is worth a thousand words, especially in /pcbg/

>>101541526
I would punt with the 4060 or the 3060. That's on awkward price range for a new graphics card.

>>101541619
If you have a big enough graphics card, doesn't matter. But if you start to have issues that you think might be VRAM related, often you don't need to use Ultra to get the highest image quality

>>101541558
It's worth replacing if you're noticing louder fan noise and hotter operating temperatures.
Buy a phase change material like PTM7950/7958 to make it a one-and-done maintenance instead of using meme XOC LN2 pastes like Kryonaut.
I would warm the card up a bit by running a benchmark for about 10~20 minutes to soften up the paste & pads for easier cooler disassembly.

>>101541645
>I would punt with the 4060 or the 3060.
they're both about the same price, which one is better

>>101541618
Pretty sure 4k scales 4:1 with 1080p

>>101541526
Push your budget $50 and get a 7700XT

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>>101541596
I already critiqued AMDumboxed's latest hit piece >>101498291
There are two games on that list that have legitimate problems with 8 GB cards (as the other cases are basically user error or testing retardation, for instance situations where neither the 16 GB card nor the 8 GB card are strong enough for playable performance at the settings used), and even in those two cases, that just means turning the texture setting down one notch (although that does mean image quality will be slightly lower) or not using Frame Gen. The games themselves are certainly playable. As always, it's a balance: and considering we're talking about low end cards, DLSS is a massive image quality advantage over VRAM, as DLSS is useful in pretty much every demanding new game, while VRAM is only very rarely useful

Personally, I'm leaning toward recommending the 3060 12 GB over the 4060, as the former has more VRAM (useful if retards don't know how to tweak settings) and a full x16 PCIe lane connection. The biggest difference between the cards is the availability of DLSS Frame Gen on the 4060, but with FSR Frame Gen now decoupled from FSR upsampling, that's less of an issue, especially because the limited VRAM cache on 4060 calls into question how easily Frame Gen can be used

>>101541768
See above

DLSS and TAA are a crime against gaming.

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>>101541830
DLSS is the best fine wine to ever come to graphics cards, and that doesn't even take into account all the ways you can use it currently to get better than native image quality. Often DLSS Quality itself is better than 'native,' and of course DLAA exists. Additionally DLSS + DLDSR is some of the best and cheapest supersampling around

>>101541791
All your ‘criticism’ is that you need to lower the settings, the real criticism would be that these settings are possible to run on 8GB VRAM and the testers are doing something wrong. You're just confirming that the problem exists
NTA

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Was playing fortnite and pc just turns off.
I try to turn it on and the fans spin for 1 second and then turn off. No signs of life.
Opened case and disconnected everything, gpu, ram, drives, fans, cmos battery. Still nothing.
Tried an old psu and got the same results, also tried another electric cable for psu.
My motherboard or cpu is bad right? I can't think of anything else.
Any advice lads?

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>turn on dlss AND framegen
>performance is still in the shitter

>>101541864
>DLSS Quality itself is better than 'native'
It is not and it will never be, it's not magic, it's *fine* as a crutch to get better framerates on old/low end hardware. But as long as devs aren't stupid and use temporally unstable/noisy effect true native rendering with MSAA will always have better detail and motion clarity.

>>101542020
Rip it out of the case, let it cool and try again.

>>101540479
Thanks, I got one with a 8845HS

It was also only $700 US. I was staring at the site for like 2 hours trying to figure out why all the older and slower and worse reviewed models cost more. I guess I just got lucky.

Do I actually need an anti-sag bracket

>>101542136
Is your GPU sagging?

>>101542136
ye, prevent mechanical failure over time

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>>101541941
You can always break graphics cards. Path tracing in Cyberpunk 2077 will pretty much break any card except the 4080 and 4090. Using retarded settings on low end cards isn't a reason to whine that 8 GB cards are a problem (although I definitely hope that the 5060 has 12 GB). PC games should be scalable, and that includes to the low end hardware. Incompetent developers are the real problem, in the few cases where VRAM is an issue

>>101542032
Outlier case, one of the two games with an actual problem with 8 GB cards that AMD Steve tested. And of course it's not that the game is unplayable on the 8 GB card, just that settings have to be optimized.

>>101542035
>It is not and it will never be
DLSS Quality and 1440p and 4K is usually better than or equivalent to 'native' >>101540956

>MSAA
Not only is MSAA extremely expensive, it's also ugly by modern standards. RDR2 is a great example of this. MSAA looks far worse than TAA in motion in RDR2

>>101541058
i checked some european prices for the 7800x3d and kind of similar pattern was there but kind of not. some stores raised the price and some are still having a sale.
probably a smart idea to grab one now if gayming's your thing and the price history shows it at all time low or similar. when stores buy new stock the cost might go up.

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>doom 1 ran at 35fps
>doom eternal does as well
Based id software sticking to their roots.

>>101542147
I assume it happens over time
>>101542148
Is there one in particular worth getting

>>101542147
>>101542148
Nta but im getting a new pc and from the looks of it my rx 6750xt looks huge and will probably sag too. Do i actually need one of those anti sag tools or can i take about anything to stabilize it? Was planning to cut an emoty toilet paper roll to the right height and put it under there, is there any risk doing this in the long run?

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>>101542221
A good example of user error. See pic related in >>101541645 Nightmare looks no different than lower texture settings, such as Ultra, but it tells that game that you have a large texture cache available

This is similar to a case like Control, where using lower texture settings provides better quality and performance, because you're not being a moron and telling the game to expect a larger VRAM cache where there is none

>>101542035
MSAA starts breaking in motion, shimmers in a way TAA doesn't. Also breaks down with transparent textures. It's also a bigger performance hit.
Frame-equalized, it's not going to look anywhere near as good as DLSS, which is a significant jump in quality over the internal native res for a small hit to perf.

>>101541618
yes. 4k monitor with 200% scalin in windows is essentially 1080p monitor with sharper image.
4k monitors are impossible to use without scaling. the whole thing is a mess, only buy one if you're film buff and got a bluray player / console next to your PC

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>user error

>>101541864
>DLAA exists
DLAA requires too many past frames for reconstruction, creating ghosting trails and blur, and it doesn't really clean up stairstepping on newly rendered surfaces. It's also not that cheap and introduces around 2 ms of extra time to process at 1440p.

>>101542179
> You can always break graphics cards
Overloading the normal amount of VRAM is harder than overloading the chip itself, there’s far fewer reported issues with 16/24GB of VRAM than with 8/12GB of VRAM as well.
We see the same video chip showing different FPS even though no changes have been made to it, this is not normal, it shouldn't be happening.

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>>101542325
DLAA generally handles ghosting and blur the best out of all techniques, as it's even better than DLSS, which is generally as good or better than TAA in those regards.

>>101542354
>this is not normal, it shouldn't be happening.
It's called low end and high end hardware, anon.

>>101542374
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>>101542387
> low end and high end
It’s the same gpu, anon

>>101542354
>12GB
Also there are no reported issues with 12 GB cards, outside of maybe the extreme outlier of Hogwarts with RT + Frame Gen

>>101541618
At 27" you would use 150%
At 32" you would go with 125%
Once you actually use 4k you'll understand how retarded calling it "like 1080p with scaling" sounds

>>101542261
>MSAA starts breaking in motion, shimmers in a way TAA doesn't. Also breaks down with transparent textures.
These are all issues with game devs (though I'd say most of the blame lies in UE) using temporally unstable and noisy effects that rely on TAA to smooth out the detail over time, such as subnative dithered transparency. Those effects could have their own temporal lower fidelity solution to save on performance instead of applying TAA over the whole frame.

>>101542449
What size is your monitor and what scale do you use? Post a screenshot of using several readable windows open at the same time please

So TL DR wanna try an ultrawide before that i had a 21 fhd, now i have a 24 qhd. nice ppi on this
i recently tried a 27 qhd, ppi was not bad, but id rather have it wider on the side or curved for some reason

The ONLY one that would fit properly in my setup is a 29inch 2560x1080 the 34 inch is too large. And it has 96 ppi
I havent used anything under 110 ppi in a while. Most people only i see are suggesting to ignore and stay at 27 QHD. or somehow invest in the 34 inch.

Are they wrong or is 96 ppi that bad?

>>101542504
They are not wrong. 96ppi is really ugly. I guess it depends on you though.

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>>101542434
You have the option of buying the 16 GB version of the 4060 Ti (of course, for more money) for those outlier cases if you want. On average, they perform pretty much identically. Do you want to pay more for the 16 GB version?

>>101542605
Neat, where’s the same option for the 4070?

>>101542529
if they made 3440 1440 in the 29-30inch format
it would be great. i feel like those 34 inches have to be curved to use them properly

i actually cannot find a 2560 1080 with a refresh higher than 100hz
dead format seems like

>>101541791
>VRAM is only very rarely useful
This is the most retarded shit i have heard today pleas log off the internet forever

>>101538378
2nd law of thermodynamics.

>buy nvidishit
>LHR cucked out of the box
>forced to use an Electron app just to configure the GPU
oh no no no ahahahahahahaha