Release and listening party: Sunday October 13th, 8PM UTC
>Release and listening party: Sunday October 13th, 8PM UTC
Release and listening party: Sunday October 13th, 8PM UTC
>Release and listening party: Sunday October 13th, 8PM UTC
Release and listening party: Sunday October 13th, 8PM UTC
>Release and listening party: Sunday October 13th, 8PM UTC

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Song order for the album:
https://litter.catbox.moe/jo4nif.zip

As usual I started by picking songs appropriate to be the fist, the last, and some "landmarks" in the middle. After that I filled the spaces based on similarity in style, vibe, and elements, as well as the transition between one's end and the other's start.
The silence tracks in pic related are just dividers to help me organize the various groups. They will obviously not be in the album.

As in >>102745948 some songs didn't have a title so I added one myself. I changed "well on the voice leading" (some text in the post) to "what is real" (from the lyrics (I'm not entirely sure if he actually says that lol, hope I didn't mishear it)).

Any advice is very welcome, but due to the time constraint I will only be accepting suggestions for about 6 hours from now. After that I'll proceed with the rest of the preparations so it can be ready for the listening party.

probably not the right place, but is there a way to use spotify or scrap a playlist without an account? found a someone with a nice playlist and i don't want to manually search each one on freetubeapp

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Video background.
Any suggestion?

(the text isn't aligned yet; I'll fix it when the order is confirmed)

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ah shit, muh sekkrit weapon is gone :(
pic-related (left) is worth the update to 12.1 alone imo (have to download the sequencers pack)
the one the right is the one i built for myself awhile back
they're sequencers for modulating parameters, but steps are triggered by incoming midi as opposed to regular intervals.
you can build a large amount of complexity very quickly, don't sleep on it.

>>102776599
>have to download the sequencers pack
https://we [DOT] tl/t-D9MZiKzOXc

>>102776599
actually, it's different from mine lel. it's not note-triggered at all. haha, my sekkrit is safe.
btw there's actually a couple of note-triggered sequencers on maxforlive.
they're worse than mine tho lel.

>>102776599
looks cool

Honestly though where are the custom LFOs?
I feel like having something like serum or vitals LFO section where you can just draw it in and have it free running or retriggering is a no brainer.

>multiNumSeq
do they glide between eachother? :0

XY crossfading values between four different modulation sources when.
Four LFOs set the rate/intensity and X and Y are sources that set the depth and you can assign to parameters on whatever WAOW imagine

>>102775803
Just sent my board suggestion to 4chan feedback but forget to copy it before I sent so I could show what I had typed here :(

Oh well, there's probably been plenty of submissions already and it's not like this one matters that much or will change anything. Still hopeful they'll add it eventually though.

>>102776932
Based

>>102776848
>Honestly though where are the custom LFOs
shaper / shaper midi gets close enough for my needs

>do they glide between eachother
nah, after i built the basic one, i found myself duplicating it so much i just stuck four together lel.
just wanted the thing compact and fast.

here's the one on maxforlive. there's non-live 12 version there.
https://maxforlive.com/library/device/10058/note-triggered-modulator-l12

you can imagine how clunky it would get having 4 of those

>>102776952
>duplicating it
okay see this fucks me up actually and i've seen max devices specifically like "double LFO! xD" but why isn't there a go to matrix for this?

Okay you've got your crazy M4L super modulator...
map that into a nice little matrix-
Multiple outs, each out has an intensity percentage. Boom, simple.

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>>102775803
tracker master race

>>102777048
i think there used to a be device that would do something like that - you'd map to param on that device and that would mult it 8x or something.
there needs to be a proper modulator overview panel where you can just see everything t bh. maybe by live 20.
search multimap on maxforlive.
also when i said duplicate, i meant mostly to mod another param with an independent sequence

>>102776848
>XY crossfading values between four different modulation sources when.
Maybe this?
https://maxforlive.com/library/device/9112/xyz-map

I got yabridge working yesterday, with firejail.

i've made an ed sheeran song lads, it's over for me

>>102777089
unironically, yes

>>102777257
don't worry. you're doing better than ed. he can't write anything. he stole a tonne of shit from other people. everyone is doing better than that ginger retard.

>>102777301
holy cope

>>102777318
what did the british pedophile mean by this?

>>102776565
looks good to me

>>102775803
Does cover art need to be specific dimensions?

>>102777441
Not really, just square and ideally high-resolution.

>>102777301
seething sour grapes pleb. his sound design is some of the best there is. billions of streams don't happen by pure chance.

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>>102777547
> his sound design
> his
> when he has little say over the production
fucking morons like you would love us all to believe this ginger retard recorded and mixed everything himself! unfortunately album credits exist to prove without a doubt that you're a fucking idiot

>>102777590
>all tracks co-produced by ed sheeran
most artists aren't remotely comparable to his sound, taylor swift maybe and she's GOAT tier

>>102777637
> co-produced
lmao. that's a contract negotiated credit, common throughout the industry. ed could be on a beach raping a dog and he'll still get credit despite not even being there. in same vain as puffy daddy getting "executive producer" on all bad boy releases despite not working on any of them and leaving entire production to be handled by his in-house production team called the hitmen.
>most artists aren't remotely comparable to his sound
try telling that to the musicians ed stole his songs from. i'm sure they'd stab you if they could.

>>102777845
what are you even talking about, he successfully defended himself against the frivolous lawsuit by the marvin gaye estate. many musicians think copyright laws are overzealous, that there should be more freedom to use other people's ideas like with classical music or the early days of popular music. like how the saying goes, good artists borrow, great artists steal. "the sound" often has very little to do with copyright anyway when it's just the timbre of a synth or a chord or a harmony.

https://voca.ro/1cKe252s47pF

1st time playing with openmpt.
This will be a simple pop song with 2 verses.
How do you think, adding chords is a good idea?

>>102777905
> not coping
nice
>good artists borrow
it's amazing how this board's biggest failures parrot this nonsense - like it's some kind of legal defense.
> "the sound" often has very little to do with copyright
try telling that to pharrel williams.

>>102777914
it's nice. good melody to it.
>How do you think, adding chords is a good idea?
absolutely.

>>102778067
for people who want to be purely about art and not commercial slop, it would make 1000% sense to relax the copyright laws, like make the copyright protection expire sooner so a more talent artist/producer can come along and sample/re-record/re-write a song and make it better than the original

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>>102776848
>XY crossfading values between four different modulation sources when.
I made a quick first version of this but it doesn't really work correctly lol.
https://we [DOT] tl/t-B44S4KPq09

I don't really have time to fix it now. Please remind me in a week or two.

>>102778716
kek what

damn that was fast

>>102778766
Making the first prototype is always easy. It's fixing it when it inevitably doesn't work right that takes time lol.

[spoiler]Also I used a stock crossfading component so I didn't have to make that[/spoiler]

>>102776001
nice

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>>102775803
what specs do i need for running ableton + vsts without that fucking crackling noise? i literally put 1 vst and one m4l device, cpu is ~30% but it's crackling. i just want to use my laptop for fx for my outboard gear and record, that's it.
>cpu 2.70Ghz 4 cores
>8 gb ram
>ssd
>ASIO4all installed
>nothing running in the background

>>102781369
You need an audio interface, probably. Your audio latency is too low for your hardware, increase it and next time use the fucking 100% CPU stress test button, that's what it's there for.

>>102781369
buy an audio interface and a new pc. your cpu is probably ancient

>8gb ram
>asio4all
lmao

Anchor
>>>/mu/123963058

>>102776001
what is the listening party?

>>102781396
>>102781589
this is my work laptop, i have a good pc in my studio. i'm using digitakt as interface

Any new cool free plugin that came out in 2024?

>>102781732
https://github.com/baconpaul/airwin2rack/releases/tag/DAWPlugin

>>102781638
When the album is released we all get together on cytube and stream it.

>>102781771
does it get archived if I miss it?

>>102781929
Nope.
It's really just a chat alongside the full-album YouTube video (which will remain available).

>>102781726
>this is my work laptop
there's probably a dozen background apps and services running

>>102781771
What time/timezone?

>>102783320
read the op, you absolute retard

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lost the streak due to examns. anyway


Ignorant learning to make music a few minutes EACH day. Also practicing piano just 5 minutes a day. Every Day.

Day001:
Ok, Bandlab is veeeeery noob friendly. Good for me,

>>102781369
if you're on a budget and don't need the portability, you can build a desktop PC with a ryzen 6/8 core cpu, 32GB ram and an M.2 SSD for not that much money. 16GB ram is a bit of a poorfag cope by modern standards but that would work too. you'd want at least mac mini M1 tier performance, that will run most things including orchestral libraries and i think white sea studio mentioned in one of his recent videos that a mac mini M1 is what he uses.

>>102783709
read below, you wasted your time replying. based retards always leaving out the pertinent information and vampiring people's time

I'm looking into VSTs to use for the upcoming trance album and I'm thinking that I might find a place for Novation's V and B Stations
https://stgdownloads.novationmusic.com/novation/novation-software
What are some others that would fit the theme?
Perhaps some 909 samples for the drum.
>>102783544
ganbatte

>>102784242
i didn't realize we got a new theme. what are some "real" 90s trance artists and songs?

How to curb my temptation for reverb stompboxes

>>102784274
I'm not sure since I was born in '86 -- so just a kid in the 90s.
Armin van Buuren was/is huge, but he's more late 90s.
I'm listening to classic 90s trance mixes on YouTube and trying to do my research.
I've already got a cheeky song title in mind for my track, so I have to be on this next album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv_N3plJYx4
this bitch can get it

>>102784274
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--3eIRSg2RY

>>102784604
i figured that'd be too mainstream and not "real"

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>>102784347
Play live music

>>102775803
Hi anons. How do I get into writing midis? What are the programs tailored specifically for this preferably opensource and for Linux? Currently I have found Qtractor and Rosegarden for Linux (in pair with fluidsynth as they cannot make sound by themselves). What are /dmp/'s opinion on these?

Sometimes the only thing that's missing is delay

>>102785071
Digital or analog

>>102785124
Just digital triplet ping pong the lead man 40/40 fb/wet
The tears flow..some style are just plain delay styles. Don't hate on them they sound nice
Similar with some HPF filter automation, sometimes all a part needs is to just get filtered a bit and have it close and open over a few bars

>>102775803
Best way to run rack these days?

>>102784274
This thread will provide some good leads:
https://www.discogs.com/group/thread/721036
>EyeQ, Platipus, the list goes on...

>>102784347
they're great, but you risk being trapped in endless guitar pedal churn

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>>102775803
*smokes blunt*
What if we called the "label" behind our releases 4 Leaf Records and abbreviated it 4LR?
...kind of like a nod to GLR (Good Lookin' Records)
...or like Clover Records (CLR).

>>102775803
are there any andoid apps that allow you to use your phone as a midi device that you could recommend?

>>102786924
Android sadly has very bad latency.

>>102784274
Jam and Spoon.
Ferry Corsten
Paul Van Dyke
This mic release at the end of the 90s captures the trance scene's music pretty well and was wildly popular:

https://www.discogs.com/master/821017-PF-Project-For-The-Mind-Body-And-Soul-Euphoria-

So anything from that but bear in mind it's mainly the main room 'dutch' trance and not the goa or psy trance scenes

>>102784242
Probably a JP8000 basted VST or if you want authentic 90s then a JV-1080

>>102786579
No.

Should we tell /prod/ about the listening party?

>>102791515
No.

>>102791600
but then what do we blame shitposting on for the week after?

>>102791757
>week
year*

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>>102791757
Me

>>102791600
People already post about us on there, like the anchor autist who keeps linking the thread

>>102791791
next album should be about KILLING THE CRAB

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>>102791600

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Is there anything out there like a metronome with MIDI input so I can play a scale and a readout can give me a quick evaluation of how many notes were on beat and how many I was rushing or dragging on?

I'm imagining something like that "got rhythm" site that gives you a rating at the end, but endless, and constantly updating.

Yeah i'm gonna need somebody to fork every major Reaktor ensemble into an FX version or take some audio in.
Also convince every dev that audio in should be standard.

I want these razor filters on everything bro FUCK

>>102793574
Never really used razor. Are those regular audio filters, or are they "additive filters" that just change the amplitude of the harmonics being outputted?

>>102793683
Don't know, but i'm inclined to guess that they're regular filters.
There is a "spectral clip" that's basically a master low pass that definitely works that way though.

Does anyone know if the vst host applications are able to list presets of a vst? Navigating the Novation V-Station presets is a chore and I would like to see them all in a list and possibly categorize them or add various ones to a favourites.
Or am I stuck with the interface of the plugin?

>>102794567
If it responds to program change messages you can probably set up your DAW to send them to switch between favorites.

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>>102794567

Ableton will pull the list of presets and display them in one fuckhuge list, not categorized really but at least you can see them outside of the plugin GUI, image related

>>102794732
No such maturity in Bitwig unfortunately yet.

>>102794623
Maybe I can map the program change to an input

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Album organizer here.
Before I do anything to the tracks I always normalize and convert to a standard 16/44.1 wav using iZotope RX. For some reason vocaroo mp3s will some times have the first few milliseconds trimmed off. I usually catch this right away but didn't this time and realized too late that the song Requiem (>>102612802) had part of the first chord cut off. To be exact, it's shorter by 109ms or 4812 samples.
I can fix it in the release audio files and in the individual videos by converting it to wav using Ableton and trimming the end to maintain the same length, but fixing and re-rendering the full-album video would take too long, so it's gonna stay like that.
I apologize for the oversight.
Not to try and shift blame because it's entirely my fault, but if you want to avoid the risk of me fucking up your track in the future, posting a wav can do that (and it will also sound better).

>>102795585
Noted on the posting a wav part.

>>102778298
> like make the copyright protection expire sooner
unfortunately it's not going to happen. all kinds of publishers have campaigned to keep extending the duration. if anything these corporations, mpaa, riaa etc. will keep forcing governments to extend the duration well beyond current limitations.

REAPER

How can I get this thing to auto-extend midi items? I want my midi item to get longer as I continue to record past its end.

>>102796072
Nevermind, PMed myself the fix.

>>102796341
I used to use Reaper, unfortunately there's too many bugs with the linux version specifically with recording MIDI so i just use Ardour

Does anyone have .tun files for Rameau or Quarter-comma meantone temperaments?
I have a few tun files that were bundled with Fabfilter Twin 3 that i can post here on request

>>102796812
Can't be bothered to look. Here's my entire folder:
https://we [DOT] tl/t-cIut2DzYzg

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I've been doing this shit for years and I still suck at chord progressions and melodies. Fuck my life.

>>102797015
lmfao thanks for including the entire Daler Mehndi - Tunak Tunak Tun [1998] album uncompressed. That alone was 313MB

>>102797309
You're very welcome.

>>102797167
Learn theory, and also when you hear a chord progression you like on a song, try and play it on the keyboard

>>102797341
i don't listen to fucking chord progressions. that's how you develop corny and bland taste like the david bennett piano youtuber or rick beato.

>>102797563
Based

take counterpoint for instance. hundreds of years ago the boomer nazis had all these autistic rules about how music should be written, and people like david bennett and rick beato praise it in a really pseudoscientific way when it's hardly relevant in modern music. at least chords are still relevant.

>>102797563
I just wanna learn how to make shit like boards of canda or aphex twin without sounding like I totally ripped them off

>>102795585
Nevermind, I'm a dumbass and forgot that I don't have to re-render the video, and I can just fix the audio track and multiplex the files together the same way I fixed the song's video lmao. Don't know why I didn't think of that desu.
But the point about uploading wavs still stands.

Also, fun fact:
I said here >>102610112 that I decided to push the deadline by one week so I could test some computer parts. Well, the parts haven't arrived yet so that was all for nothing lol.
At least we got one or two track revisions.

>>102797773
>Well, the parts haven't arrived yet
Sorry to hear that; hopefully they will arrive soon :3
I've been sitting on a new SBC that I've been meaning to setup, but it's still in the box -- like everything else in my life.

>>102797822
Thanks but it's nbd. I'll contact support on monday.

>I've been sitting on a new SBC that I've been meaning to setup, but it's still in the box -- like everything else in my life.
Take it out right this moment and do whatever the first step in setting it up is. No matter how small or insignificant, merely getting started on some part of it will make you much more likely to follow through and do something more significant, either immediately or in the near future.
Just get over that initial hurdle of getting started with the goal of stopping there if you don't feel like doing more (but knowing that if you suddenly find yourself feeling like doing more you obviously can allow yourself to).
I believe in you Anon.

Plebs as per usual being plebs as per usual

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>>102775803
Why is there /ic/ for drawing but no board for music production?

>>102798075
Because there already is a music board.........and no /art/ board......

>>102784274
Check this channel https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZfB1tBwDBrQ&pp=ygUTVGhlIGJpZyBibHVlIHRyYW5jZQ%3D%3D

>>102798075
I guess drawing is much more closely related to weeb topics than music making

>>102798075
Because Disney

>>102798075
Don't forget about /3/

>>102798208
>>>/gd/

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>>102797563
okay then learn melodies or drum o algo.
you'll find that when you improvise after learning a song you draw from the movements of that song and your composition will get better.

The first song i learned was bach's prelude 1 and for awhile after all my music sounded like that. when you learn more you start to combine different ideas which is really what creativity is

>>102793826
If that's the case then it shouldn't be too hard to learn just enough to take those filters and put them in a new fx ensemble.
And who knows... It might be the start of a new chapter in your music production journey (yes, I'm saying this without a hint of irony).

>dont really care much about actual music production but start to record my masturbatory 45 minute jams and just put it out there under "Might get a show or something"
>press record
>anti-soul gas leaks into my house and i cannot for the life of me get into a groove
how the fuck do i overcome this

>>102798802
Always be recording so you eventually forget that you're being recorded... or just get better at chillin'

>>102798802
don't do this imo. curating those sessions is a bitch and there's more bad than good. there's a sweet spot of recording time you have to find where you can record good noodles but also don't have to wade through a bunch of trash. if nothing is coming, stop the recording

>>102798802
Today was an off day for me too. Got one take in and couldn't continue

>>102798985
The way i tend to do things is hit record and just let it go, even if i just need to run down the street to the gas station. Come back and try to forget that i turned it on. play, kinda figure out something, maybe rebuild my patch setup from scratch, and if im not feeling it, let it sit so that in the file theres just a space. If theres a spot that i get into and the /feel/ kinda washes over i tend to know how to end it without going too long or sitting on something so long that it feels like its being drug out. Repeat for as long as i feel like playing that day, Hit save and mark the time where the good parts i thought were. After a week or two ill revisit the file so that im a little less critical of my work and just take notes through the thing
>cool melody/tone/etc
and often finding ideas that i didnt come up with at the time. Like if i play a really thin sounding lead, at the time of recording i hated it but looking back i get inspired and jump back on my synths and work with that idea. cut the fat off of the files and save them.
It might be inefficient as hell but its really good for getting me out of a rut of just sitting for 2 weeks on the same exact settings and forgetting that i can do a lot more. Ive gotten a couple of cool shows from doing that and putting out the stuff that doesnt sound like me pissing around with a filter for 8 minutes. I kinda lost the plot here and im sorry.
But lately if the computer is on, im off and if its the other way around, all the little highs and lows, and accidentally neat things just seem to fall into place. Just been a source of frustration lately.

>>102799246
lay off the stims

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>>102797167
need to learn the basics m8, it's tedious but hey it gets easier

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>>102799373

>>102797167
You play jazz right?

How to achieve this sound design?
https://voca.ro/1g3hSdZqaJNX

>>102800174
make something in your daw first

stop posting when i'm posting

https://vocaroo.com/1hMFMgKO4rPr

>>102800186
Not even helpful

>>102800174
learn granular

just kidding.
i mean you could, or you could use like... aren't there a lot of kontakt presets and libraries specifically for this now?

it's very pretty but i'm not hearing anything that would prompt this question

>>102800199
you're asking dogshit questions and haven't shown your work

>>102800174
just try, bro.
>>102800194
delet ed :/

>>102800219
>it's very pretty
I-is that a compliment?!
Seems to be some amplitude modulation and have no idea what the pads are unless it’s just reverb

>>102800241
The details don't matter, make something first then ask what you can do for the sound design

>>102800241
Nah, pads def sound orchestral. I think they used orchestral samples in this one. It’s all over the album. Fuck.

>>102800248
No, I like to reverse engineer first.

>>102800230
nuh uh


>>102800241
>amplitude modulation
idk what you're talking about but free running larger grain sizes tend to have those gaps in the sound

>unless it’s just reverb
just sounds like strings or comparable synth patches through well crafted reverb to me.
there would be a lot of ways to achieve something similar

>>102800265
> free running larger grain sizes tend to have those gaps in the sound
Hmm…I see. I suppose it could be done both ways.

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>>102800265
>nuh uh

>>102800284
weirddd....

https://vocaroo.com/12ZuoJ0jrbgq

>>102800299
thank u.
i like the airier siren sound on this one.

>>102800394
>the one part that took 20 seconds
th- thanks...

>>102800492
You should try to make it sound more like this: https://voca.ro/1g3hSdZqaJNX
It’s just nicer sounding and more ppl will appreciate it

>>102800299
this shoulda stayed deleted

>>102800265
Also, those bass swells. They sound so clean.

>>102800510
There is a time and place (when sad)
I’ve been sad AND angry though. Not the time!

>>102800521
Delete yourself!

>>102800492
pfft, you know i like everything else as well.
>>102800649
>There is a time and place
For sure. I can't for the life of me write lively/upbeat/exciting and dynamic music because I myself feel like I don't have any energy.

>>102800649
Well my friend, this is my ultimate sangry song: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XSJ1kQnJXTA

>>102800668
Make ambient sad and angry but beautiful songs

>>102800668
> feel like I don't have any energy
That’s what caffeine addictions are for

>>102800670
Good one…

>>102800683
Idg anger that you don’t want to inflict on other people and just start screaming (with rhythm)
That is on the list though…

>>102800683
>angry
I'm not angry, just frustrated with myself sometimes.
https://vocaroo.com/129F4oPIQVfP
>>102800742
Drugs are bad, mmkay.

>make a new sound I like
>come back to it a few hours later
>it sounds like complete ass again
Do people really enjoy sound design? Just feels like a lot of random knob twiddling and hoping for the best

>>102800742
Similar one: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xX73-xSNZpY
Just get a baseball bat and start hitting the ground and tree trunks while screaming and then breakdown crying because you want the pain to end but don’t want to kys and just fucking hate everyone and everything in that moment and then pass out

>>102800761
Oh

It’s giving AnCo sung tongs. V pretty

>>102800770
Eh I'm more of a self harmer than a violent person

>>102800768
Yes and I can do it pretty much 24/7

Key there is to make permutations of every sound and move on to a cleanish slate every 20 minutes during a sesh so stuff like that doesn’t happen

>>102800840
Me too. I’d kill myself before harming others, but that act itself would kill my parents so there’s so I lose either way. But that Chrometaphor breakdown is cathartic as fuck.

>>102800840
>AnCo
Funny you say that. I recorded myself playing my acoustic guitar into my Korg ES-1 .. and I've heard that Panda Bear like to use the ES-1.

>>102800902
Panda Bear is like Grizzly Bear gay.

https://youtu.be/xX73-xSNZpY?si=upk4dg1UYFfoVI34&t=150
Listen at that point and just kill and die

Is pooping a digital instrument?

Kill yourself in music form. Just let it rip. Kill everyone. Fuck life. It’s only good if you have lots of money. Life’s a shit sandwich - the more bread you have, the less shit you have to eat. Face it, you’re poor and always will be. One chance at life. Life isn’t worth it if you’re poor all the time.

Where the fuck is granularfag? Must be his bedtime. I knew he wasn’t American.

>>102801068
Who??

My schedule is flipped actually idk I just try to stop replying when I pick up the weird vibe before things get ughh

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I thought this was interdasting.
The video itself not about synths but it shows how FM synthesis works ( modulating frequencies with other frequencies to create complex waveforms) in a way you can really understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds0cmAV-Yek

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>R2R

>>102801041
Wise words, anon

>>102800768
> Just feels like a lot of random knob twiddling and hoping for the best
usually how it goes for everyone, including people that call themselves "pro".

>>102801041
> failed this hard
lmao @ your life.

>>102801825
extreme chad post

>>102801820
>Smarter Every Day
>actually makes people dumber
i hate this faggot so much that it's unreal.

>>102798075
4chan is abandonware and music production is only a recent fad, i'm old enough to remember a time when music artists and producers were highly regarded, and the common pleb didn't have the dunning-kruger to think he could do it on his own

>>102802342
holy retard

>>102802342
its not a "recent fad", unless you're old enough to consider mid-2000s recent. ppl have been sharing their music on the internets ever since computers became widespread. take your negativity somewhere else

>>102802946
hobbyist trackerfags had an understanding that they were taking part in a niche hobby, now it's a different ballgame with tutorials being targeted to normies who want to be rich and famous

reddit had a repost of the story about the fraudster who made millions with botted streams on his AI generated music
a highly upvoted comment said that AI music can't compete with top tier music but it btfos most of the crap that amateurs make

>>102800299
Very good.

>>102802963
some of those hobbyist trackerfags made good livings in soundtracks and dance scenes. When programs like FT2 were coming out they were the mainstream of computer music production (FWIW I agree somewhat that every 25 y.o white guy being a "producer" is a new thing)

>>102802963
>hobbyist trackerfags had an understanding that they were taking part in a niche hobby
do you have severe brain damage? music from trackers has been used in commercial software since the original soundtracker was released in 1987. it was developed for a company that made video games. the earliest tracker users weren't fucking hobbyists, dumb cunt. and it was never "niche". they were professionals getting paid. the absolute state of this board. what a disaster.

>>102803498
it couldn't. he was caught. most hilarious part of all was that he was streaming his own music - normal people weren't listening, it was all bot traffic. now he's being fucked by american courts. you need to go back and stay there, thanks.

>>102803733
the point is that with the internet and recent developments in technology, we get flooded by dunning-kruger shitmusic, the cope and toxic positivity isn't helpful, you ironically want a hugbox much like reddit
>>>/mu/123987803

>>102803718
> bad gain staging
> of presets
i love reading posts from delusional liars that throw up buzzwords. you can clearly see the mental illness.

>>102803764
>the point is
you had no point. you seriously believed real people were streaming it but it was 100% bot traffic. you are a legit fucking moron. shut the fuck up.

>>102803781
kys retard
you're completely doomed to fail if you can't recognize the differing qualities between VST synths, it's not helpful to bully beginners into using stock FL studio plugins instead of looking into other things like UVI falcon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJa4UbIaNRQ
you're the type who would call this genius while spewing vitriol to ed sheeran or pretty much any currently mainstream relevant artist/producer because your shitty audio makes you basically blind (deaf) to how to really make music that connects with people. you're as delusional as it gets.

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Join the listening party for the 13th /dmp/ album, "The Mongolian Basketweaving Book of the Dead"

Live in less than 6 hours @ cytu DOT be/r/dmp

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Do you guys think you could make a semi-decent DAW using something like the Raspberry Pi etc.?

The main computer at my house is more than capable, but I swear the moment I have some free time to fuck around with music production, my wife jumps on it. It's like she knows I'm thinking about having fun, Spidey-sense starts tingling and she just NEEDS to use the computer at that particular point in time.

Have two laptops too, but one of them is ancient and lags heavily if working with more than, say, two or three tracks. Other one has batshit insane latency.

Tried going mobile, but Android's not the greatest for stuff like this, again - latency. Koala Sampler is probably the best app I found, but it is limited (not really a proper DAW) even with the paid add-ons and is missing some basic functions. G-Stomper is great, but the more complicated the song gets, the more crackling and delays you'll run into.

So I'm looking into a cheap solution of some sorts, hence wondering about the Raspberry Pi etc.

Ideally I'd go DAW-less, but that can get quite expensive.

Am I fucked without buying a new computer/laptop?

Noticed someone selling an ancient (2008) iMac for like twenty bucks on FB marketplace and wondered about using that as well.

TL:DR - cheapest option for an ok'ish DAW nowadays please? Amateur use, don't use a crazy amount of VST's etc., mostly messing around with a MIDI keyboard, pads and two synths. Do own a hardware mixer, so worst case scenario can combine some audio to make it easier on the DAW. Or maybe I could get some mileage from one of my shitty laptops if I'd run Ubuntu Studio or AV Linux instead of Windows??

>>102803980
>Other one has batshit insane latency.
What causes the latency? Are you sure it can't be fixed?

>>102804035
Maybe it can, but I had no luck. Even turned off a bunch of devices in the hardware manager thinking that would help, but nah. I can *sorta* improve it by connecting an external soundcard as opposed to using the laptop ports directly, but it doesn't have proper ASIO support, so working with Ableton is a pain in the ass - it's Creative Xi-FI HD. Bought it years ago to rip vinyls for samples.

ASIO4ALL sucks with it (either latency [better than integrated audio but still] or extreme crackling and popping) though, FlexASIO is better after configuring properly, but still nowhere near as close as Creative ASIO that came with the drivers. The problem with Creative ASIO is that weirdly enough it doesn't allow me to use all the ports within Ableton. So I can't, as an example, mount the line-in to one track and the microphone-in to another.

Maybe it's a driver issue, maybe it's Ableton being retarded.

You think I should just ditch the Xi-FI and get a proper modern audio interface like a Focusrite or a cheaper Behringer instead of a new computer?

>>102803980
Just get a new laptop or spend 50 bucks on a fucking interface.

Why can't your dumb wife use the laptop for her computing needs?

>>102800768
>>come back to it a few hours later
>>it sounds like complete ass again
The curse of spending too much time listening to your own shit. Some never do realize they're inebriated with it, though.

>>102804684
Yeah, when you're gonna mix its a good idea to wait until the next day or even longer because your brain gets used to the imperfections that are obvious to fresh ears

>>102804664
>Why can't your dumb wife use the laptop for her computing needs?
Something something comfy chair something something her computer too.

Anon, I don't know what to tell you, they really are from another planet and I have officially given up on trying to understand them..

But yeah maybe it's high time to get a proper interface. Thought I could get away with using the Xi-FI for a few more years since it sounds great and I didn't have such issues in the past, but it could be a driver compatibility issue of some sorts. I'm on Windows 10. Maybe I'll try the Linux live distros before and see how that goes. If it's the same shit, it'll go into the drawer until I ever need to rip vinyls again.

To be fair nowadays if I need samples I just download the songs anyway.

A short while ago some dude on here was talking about learning trackers and how he tried to use an emulator and Octamed -- and now I just came across this post on DoA that linked to a video by a musician talking about things he did for the tracks on his EP that he made with Octamed on a real Amiga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TU55GrcKZc
Hearing this just makes me want to get into those old trackers as well, but I know the workflow is going to be a pain in the ass, so it's not really worth it.
I love the idea of limitations and all that, but I just don't know what to do. Too many options.

Invited /mu/
>>>/mu/123989639
>>>/mu/123991538

>>102803764
>He can't vibe

>>102806423
I don't really understand people who fetishise slow ass workflows and limitations. You can download a soundfont in 5 minutes and enjoy the "limitations" without the tedium.

https://x.com/tttenley/status/1845191378541670640

do you think you lads could fix lady with them crazy eyes

>>102806544
was about to make your post. the fetishization of arbitrary limitations annoys me to no end, especially people who NEED some limited hardware to make music because "daws just don't FEEL right." these people never post or finish songs, they have to advertisee their production masochism everywhere when no one gives a shit

>>102806570
Do people make a good living directing this shit?
https://x.com/tttenley/status/1838529201189601331
Is there really an audience for it?

>>102807016
she seems literally batshit, she probably got her money from the divorce and not much else

>>102803903
LESS THAN ONE HOUR TO THE LISTENING PARTY LET'S GOOOO

After 4 months of light practice I am starting to slightly enjoy music.

>>102803903
FIVE MINUTES

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>>102803903
get in here nigs lets go

>>102803980
>So I'm looking into a cheap solution of some sorts
You can assemble a very decent PC for cheap with used parts (specifically the processor; I recommend Ryzen 5 5500) and preferably run Linux on it (just not a shitty overloaded distro, get something more barebones). Making a good setup on a Pi would be more trouble than it's worth imo.

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>>102806423
>>102806544
>>102806748

Trackers probably have the fastest digital workflow ever; pretty much everything you need to edit is chained to a key so if you can be good at touch typing and mentally composing you can just blast away without stopping for anything, and that's the real appeal. But if you don't like tracker-idiomatic music like chiptune, lo-fi beats, jungle etc. it won't be rewarding enough to git gud. I think the reason they've been a dead end even with bastard hybrids like renoise is that they only shine when you can go into the interface 100%, and they don't really work with layering/modularity like a timeline DAW; once you start hiding a lot and having the switch between the grid, VSTs and mixing the advantages are pretty much dried up

>>102808136
this retarded theoretical efficiencymaxxing is the problem with trackertards, i've seen this same argument posted numerous times in this thread with nothing backing it up. inputting your ideas isn't the bottleneck, ideation is

the benefits of trackers boil down to small party tricks of arrangement that block/message editing allow for but it's limiting overall to your music

>>102808136
Yes! I love keeping my hands on the (typing) keyboard and just touch typing everything and jumping around super fast with keyboard shortcuts.
I want to do videogamey jungle and am torn between Milky and Furnace. Leaning towards Furnace.

>>102808229
>is the problem with trackertards
You sound like a retard who's selling something. What are you selling, nigger? VSTs? Reason?

>>102808229
I think this probably depends heavily on the individual, some people can "hear" new sections of music at will, in which case being extremely interface-fluent is important. This is why great composers have historically spent so much time with keyboard fluency, transposition, transcription, clef reading, learning multiple instruments, etc. Other people prefer to hash out ideas in more of a cutting-table way; DAW is probably better for that. And again, I don't think tracker really rises above its idioms anyway. But I know for me at least being able to type music is really smooth

>>102808243
Milky is a lot more general-purpose and mainline imo, but I don't really care for emulation. The other big thing is that milky will share commands with and be able to open .MOD and .XM files which basically means you can open a lot of actual classic jungle and study it like you're reading from a score

Damn this album is like... Probably the best of them gj fellows

>>102808405
this guy is a master and there's still tons of shit he does that is inefficient compared to just working in a daw. it's a multistep process where he's blocked in ideas before even getting to writing out parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5rr6mP-RS0

none of the fools extolling the virtues of trackers on messageboards are close to being on his level but larp as if they are. i've seen livestreams of other tracker experts and it looks the same as when i'm fucking around in a daw (i do wish i had things like the famitracker song system in other programs, fruity arrangement sorta gets at that)

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>>102809038
Sorry I missed the premiere
I will listen though

>>102809389
Let us know what you think

>>102776185
https://audioz.download/software/win/265591-download_ondesoft-spotify-downloader-v490-f4cg.html

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>>102809038
Will our friend show up again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnU7LtrGTcg
Half of the pads are the usual 4x4 Drum Rack pads, and the other half can play any one of those 16 samples melodically, seemingly pitching the voices up and down using MPE.
Pretty neat.

>>102808637
This was painful to watch and I only lasted 3 minutes. Thank you for curing my tracker fixation.

it's HERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8cGZ55sE0

>>102811239
the lofi sampler sound continues to sound nice. not really anything new with galactic but nice small addition

sup /dmp/,
anyone here using an oldass mac with a focusrite saffire 40 pro? its what ive got (interface) and i wanna know if getting a 2012 mac pro with firewire 800 would be enough to run this thing.

album is chill, less lunacy than i expected

Day
Van
Cow
Boy
>Was digitally produced

Why does a higher sample rate give me a faster audio buffer? Everyone says I should be using 48, but 96 has less latency.

>>102812663
The theme was very good people delivered. A good goal is the key

>>102814669
I was just thinking about that for the first time in years today and yesterday for just no reason at all

Higher sample rate = faster sample rate. It's taking more samples per second. Which is faster. But it uses more cpu

>>102803804
> dangerously low iq retard is more retarded than a poster on a shady vst piracy site
what a colossal sized loser.

>>102814696
uses more cpu and exhausts the buffer quicker. most people's latency problems are down to slow cpu, windows and not using stuff like ASIO.

>>102814936
>replying to the headphone general schizo that doesn't produce music

What's good in the world of pedals? I know I want at least a sustain and maybe a couple of expression pedals, what's good barefoot?

>>102815167
for what instrument?

>>102815687
MIDI. I guess I should just get a cheap FCB1010, but I want to know if anyone has tried anything else.

>>102814650
thank you anon for letting me listen to this song for the first time (i'm a casual at life), with its pretty slow mo video
and they made me wait 50 seconds for this, but life is slo mo anyway eeeeeeeeeeey

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Wake up babe, the last kick synth you'll ever need just dropped
https://raredsp.com/drumclone

>>102817161
>website takes 20 seconds to laod
>no linux version
i'm good thanks

>>102818461
This is software for making music, not for ricing your desktop and looking at your specs.

>>102814936
>>102815043
you're monitoring gear and ability to listen carries over to everything else, even your music taste is crippled because your audio doesn't render songs the way that the artists and the producers heard it in the studio

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>>102775803
Cover art submission for album 14
tried to make it 1995 - 2000 Y2K aesthetic

>>102819234
dang naisu

i feel like the black should be raised and the text / circle thing should be transparent for that aesthetic

>>102819522
I'll do some alternative ones and post them see what fits better

>>102819234
>trans album
based

>>102819234
Very Designers Republic/Wipeout inspired

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>>102821617
Its 2 of their fonts (Auricom and Delta-Ray)
alternate version

>>102814650
why is that surprising? the clipping/bitcrushing in the beginning sounds digital as af

>>102822114
The bums and their delayed cymbal samples. If they were legit they would've done it analog

>>102819234
>>102822082
what is the s066l thing?

>>102822542
1990s

>>102822542
LOL

>>102822580
then make it lowercase s

What's an ok ai vocal tool, there seems to be a few?

>>102823468
this one right here
*unzips*
get ready to scream boyo

>>102824188
Hang on, lemme get my pop shield out

>>102822542
>s066l
I hope someone makes a track with this name.

>>102825167
s0661 ehT oT kcaB

>>102823468
they all suck, at best you can contort them with melodyne and autotune effects but you can do that with real vocals. they tend to have draconian licensing restrictions like you're supposed to give credits and some of them use digital fingerprinting. maybe you could make some cringe songs under a persona and gain notoriety from reaction videos but it's already been done.

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>>102775803
Sup /dmp/, I cooked something up for that next album, what do y'all think?

https://vocaroo.com/13SvzojjYkxj

This is actually an unreleased [spoiler]dubstep[/spoiler] track of mine that I reworked into a '93-style trance track. Wondering how I can expand on this and make it longer - like, 7 minutes long, the way they used to do it - and more hypnotizing.

>Captcha: HANDS4

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>>102784242
>ganbatte
... wut?

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Ignorant learning to make music a few minutes EACH day. Also practicing piano just 5 minutes a day. Every Day.

>>102783544
Day002:

Seems fun enough, but i kinda wonder how much does it cost to pay a music fag to make a few songs for a video game.

>>102826068
you can probably get something decent on fiverr

even the noise coming from your display's monitor, it's not subtle, did you know that modern monitors have flicker free direct current backlighting so they don't make this godforsaken noise, people are holding you back with toxic positivity coddling you and telling you that you don't need to put in effort and upgrade your equipment, you can get a monitor arm for cheap as well which clears up space so you can put music production gear underneath your monitor

you get way less input lag with a 240hz monitor which is nice for general use and not just gaming

>>102826494
You mean monitor like a screen?

>>102818672
>even your music taste is crippled because your audio doesn't render songs the way that the artists and the producers heard it in the studio
> *releases a brickwalled mess*
> yep, just how the original producer intended it to sound
unreal. you might have had a point if it we were back in the analogue days using multitrack studio tapes but those days are long gone. all we're left with is slop. if the producers "rendered" songs this poorly for release, they're going to sound as fucking terrible there as it does on anyone else's system.

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>>102828055
you're parroting sensationalist articles from 10+ years ago like a redditor. even the most notorious examples like imagine dragons - radioactive were hugely popular and don't actually sound bad until someone puts the idea in your head that the big drum could have had some more dynamic range. it's literally the shittiness of your DAC/amp that's robbing you of linearity, signal to noise ratio, and transients (from excessive output impedance), so you get the comically compressed sound that even normies can notice when plugging things directly into their motherboard. almost all consumer speakers have a lot of distortion as well and even entry level genelecs and iLoud struggle when you try to push the volume.

>>102828745
> mentally buckbroken because he decided to write fucking garbage
you have no idea what you are talking about. shut the fuck up, thanks.

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>>102828786
i'm here living my best life enjoying listening to modern releases from 2017-2024 while you seethe over successful artists like ed sheeran and projecting calling me a loser lol

>>102828786
stop replying to the obvious audio quality troll

>>102828833
>tries to make music when he doesn't even like music
my sides

>muh polyverse filterverse
>hype it up like it should be impressive
>have the most uninteresting demo videos i've ever heard

>>102828815
>listening to modern releases from 2017-2024
What are your current favorites?

>>102829625
im gonna be busy irl but here are some quick examples in no particular order, i'm probably missing a bunch
some of them i don't listen to regularly but i think they're good production wise or whatever
the top ed sheeran songs like shivers and shape of you are good too
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=jOF8gqpoPgs
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=fqqcXP1D0Fw
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=lG27hv01A2k
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=JFOQjm7BfRE
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Is75wMxSo28
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=1KZ6l73sJ0A
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=V1yoiDhB9ZI
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=qaSQcnl0Zjg
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=n03r8XbWEKs
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHZEx-NIzU
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=02YSbpqB9kc
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=t31xgKtLjwo
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp_P_e1cPOE
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=bwYJuvKE6ak

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=CPETPGPVW8s
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=qHylAu0gZ4M
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=bZOy4kn9Vis
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=yH0yjTC4x0I

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=_-57D1N35r8

>>102812663
>>102808464
>First album I didn't contribute to
>was good
So I am satan, I see

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>>102830229

>>102830229
how about writing a review with feedback for the album satan?

>the resident schizo exclusively indulges in goyslop music
Picture me surprised

>>102830409
pretends to*

>>102831849
Of course: I'm not surprised.

>>102829779
>Ed Sheeran
>Sean Paul
Didn't continue to click but what the fuck anon, do you even have a soul?

>>102830409
>>102831849
>>102832016
>>102832094
>doesn't recognize the euphony
>thinks he knows better than artists with billions of streams
ngmi

is avenger 2 good or nah? how many freaking VST synths are there to keep up with, you noobs didn't tell me about UVI falcon until a random anon asked about it

this one is mainly for EDM?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_R3ItOTyVY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvA8myBZcaQ
there's this sample-based piano for UVI falcon/UVI workstation

>>102832485
>>102832453
>is avenger 2 good or nah?
i thought you were a music expert, you tell us

>>102832356
Mainstream music is designed to be bland.
Its a business and the point is to appeal to the largest demographic. To do this you need to be as bland and middle of the road as possible.
They do this with everything , if you sell a house they tell you to decorate it in neutral colours because you might love the specific way you decorated it but most people dont like it. So neutral is statistically better.
A niche song you love will likely be disliked by the majority of people who have differing taste.
For a business its better to have a bland song that no one really loves but the majority thinks is just ok.
Thats why its boring , its designed to be the medium for maximum sales.

>>102832525
it's not any more bland than fucking overrated classical music, i would say most unpopular music is more bland like a slow ass ambient track that would fit a video game at best, or abrasive with spastic and tone deaf movements, in popular music there's plenty of depth to it melodically and timbre wise while keeping it tastefully simple and elegant much like a classical piece instead of throwing every ingredient in the soup jacob collier style

>>102832578
But its just meh..
There nothing really to love or hate about it, i'm just indifferent. I'd rather have only stuff i hate and stuff I love this slop is just meh...

>>102832578
do you even like pop music or not?

between all this shitposting i can never tell if you actually care; it always looked more like this was a business venture for you and you're doing market research or some shit lol

>>102832604
>>102832622
it's literally lifechanging when you hear some of these masterpieces played on endgame audio equivalent to a pro studio, meanwhile you act like cavemen pretending like it's a complete mystery why some songs make millions of dollars while your SLOP makes peanuts

Is it legal to use some of the shit you generate in Sunio in your own music? Like I just generated a bunch of subbasses hits and I like some of them, would it be legal to use them in my music?

>>102832094
Nope, he definitely doesn't...

>>102832649
>no answer
So the answer is no?

You KEEP saying people are saying things that nobody is saying.
I LIKE THIS MUSIC. You're just annoying and stupid as fuck.

>>102832684
at the very least you can appreciate the production if your audio isn't too fucked up to be able to hear what is going on
pretty much every amateur track has pretty obvious flaws in one way or another while most of the recent top charters have negligible flaws

like most normies will blindly accept that mozart/bach/beethoven, even the beatles etc made good music because of herd mentality. if you go see a blockbuster movie, you pretty much know what cinema quality is, you know it cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce, you might hesitate to call it art but you know it's technically well produced. some people will think the interstellar soundtrack etc are masterpieces because they heard it in the cinema. with other contemporary music they might have heard it on completely inadequate audio gear and they'll jump on the hipster bandwagon from 10 years ago and argue that it's within their right to subjectively think of any music as complete trash. but anyone with good audio gear can hear that it's good and commercially successful for a reason, some songs will prove to be timeless like a classical piece or a beatles song.

>>102832959
>but anyone with good audio gear
it just occurred to me that you're probably coping because you have trouble hearing on normal speakers

most people can tell all of this without "quality" audio gear dude lol

cope

>>102832655
Couldn't you use another AI tool to analyze the Sunio track and convert it to a MIDI roll? Because if yeah, you could just throw that into your DAW of choice, replace the instrument samples and call it a day, not like anyone would know.

>>102832453
>how many freaking VST synths are there to keep up with
SHITLOADS. You'll never keep up. Find a few you like, learn them and stick to them.

>>102832709
Eh, I expect music to have qualities, not to be devoid of flaws.

Ableton started indexing outside of the dedicated Ableton folder (i.e my documents (i.e all of my fucking archive folders) so now it's giving me search results including older outdated presets and dupe samples and ugh

fix it please

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>>102833612
touche

https://voca.ro/1fRUPYsp3q68

Anyone know how to achieve ensemble mode from strymon cloudburst with a synth? I don't want to get it for that gimmick but man does it sound nice

>>102832959
good and commercially successful are very, very, very different categories
>>102832649
just slapping dollars onto a shitty song to make it high quality production-wise won't make it stop being shitty (for instance, pop slop), and listening to a fantastic piece on budget headphones won't make the piece bad

>>102834349
*tips fedora*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJa4UbIaNRQ
for example this is nothing special both technical quality/timbre wise and melodically but IEM tards think it's great because it's dumbed down to what their audio gear can handle like dubstep was for razer headphones in 2008

>>102832517
it's tainted by that 2000s digital aliasing sound which i really dislike. it has a lot of presets and preset/expansion packs with pre-made patterns so i guess it appeals to hackjob DJ "producers" who want to shit out hours of content mainly in the cheesy generic techno/trance scene

>>102834542
>so i guess it appeals to hackjob DJ "producers"
As opposed to you, who is a real producer, clearly.

>>102834395
consoom more

Found a cheap FCB1010 today, then spent more than it cost on mounting hardware and some additional cables to hook it all up.

Are there any good guides on getting 2 midi devices to play nice in bitwig? I want some of the pedals to go to a MIDI output, and some of them to stay in the DAW and affect VSTs.

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