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>News & Rumors
Pricing on ram or anything with memory is only going to worse, consume now/in the near future
RTX 50 Super, 2026 launch? 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.
Nova Lake 2026
Dual 3d cache "9950X3D2"
AMD FSR "Redstone" Arrives December 10, Exclusive to Radeon RX 9000 Series

>Product Notice

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

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What's the best value for money GPU for me to upgrade to from the 3060 Ti for faster Blender rendering?

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My air cooler is on top of the RAM

>>107253029
a 5060ti or 5070 depending on whether or not you need/want 16gb.

3 front intakes + 1 back exaust, 1 top exaust (backside)
this is pretty okay right? no need to get fancy with it right?

>>107253078
1 rear exhaust is a meme fractal was right

>>107253078
yes, 3 intake bottom and 2 intakes top on slots further away from the cpu

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>italy
>2k budget
>Fedora 42 Workstation Edition and future releases (no Windows)
>current PC: i5-6500, 1060 6GB, 8 RAM
Usage: heavy web browsing and multitasking (Google Workspace and Google apps), AI online image and video generators, 240fps 2K gaming at old shooter titles (TF2, Mordhau, Chivalry 2, Overwatch 2).
Which performance jump should I expect from my current setup, especially for general desktop usage and web apps? Ideally I want to build a system which can serve me well for the next 10 years.

>>107253104
get a 4090 or a 5090

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>>107253029

Anons plz help
>990 PRO 2TB for $216
>990 EVO PLUS 2TB for $167
Which one?

>>107252961
>*Avoid Asrock motherboards on AM5
why?

>>107253019
Excellent choice I wish I could use ORCA but I'm an industry fag nowadays
You are basically SOL on the RAM if you wanna be using double hybrids or god forbid any DLPNO methods
Also keep in mind the integral tables from DLPNO will rape your SSDs to shreds
The scaling up to 16 cores is not excellent, if you're just prototyping and worried about RAM then just scale back to 8 or even 4 cores then wait longer

>>107253029
get a 4090 or a 5090

>>107253101
i see
i only have 5 fans, so 3 front intake, back exaust, the 4th should be the top exaust or the top intake?

>>107253155
Oh and don't think that going to other code will improve anything
Psi4 is the only other code worth using for accurate methods like those and there are a fuck load of poorly optimized routines in there (or were a few years ago when I was using it)
I had some small molecules using up to 128 GB of RAM on one core it was hell

>>107253150
https://old.reddit.com/r/ASRock/search/?q=burn&include_over_18=on&restrict_sr=on&sort=new

>>107253035
Yeah I have 2tb and a 1tb nvme (gen 4 and gen 3 respectively). I was talking about for a future am5 zen 6 build. Just trying to figure if prices are still going to be retarded by then.
>>107253116
Im not worried about ram pricing in late 2027. Shit, worst case scenario I'll wait until 2028, but don't think I'll need to. The NVME pricing is the bigger issue imo. NAND degrades, RAM doesn't and can be bought 2nd hand worst case scenario.

>>107253029
5060 ti with 16 gb (very important do not buy the 8gb version)

>>107253104
Looks pretty good to me, ignore the retards saying you should get more RAM or get nvidia, it's good for your needs.
>>107253113
spoke like someone who's never used nvidia on Linux

I am very concerned about the price of everything in 2027 and 2028 so I'm striking now

>>107253167
a lot of cases only keep 2 as intake but i dont know if that other fan would beb etter top or front
i think i would skip the exhaust top and just drown my case on fresh air
you can always add an extra fan later on anyhow, a random fan is like 3bucks

>>107253205
he has a 1060 he's using nvidia on linux right now nicotroon

Please talk me out of getting the AOC Q27G3XMN for 300€ VAT included. OLED is out of my budget and decent IPS isn't that much cheaper. Is the problem with smearing and VRR flicker that noticeable?

>>107253210
i heard positive pressure is better to keep dust out as well
plus, another factor i just realized as i'm doing the cableing , i think the power outlet on the mobo would get in the way of a backside top fan anyway

>>107253225
>>i heard positive pressure is better to keep dust out as well
that only matters if the pc is literally never switched off and the fans are on 100% of the time

>>107253221
>smearing and VRR flicker that noticeable?
Flicker yes, it's extremely noticeable, just don't use vrr. Smearing no, you notice if you look for it but it's nothing like va panels used to be.
Why not the ktc?

>>107253181
Well AI guys are still building more data centers and they will keep building them at an absurd pace until the end of the decade, they will need more and more hardware to fill them up.
They just bought out every NAND wafer that will be made in 2026, lets pretend that manufacturers will double their capacity by 2027, well what is stopping AI guys from buying it out again even after it was doubled? Their demands for silicone are quite literally insatiable.
So your only hope is that manufacturer overbuilds to such an extent that not only do they overwhelm the AIgoons demands but also have enough that it spills into now mostly irrelevant consumer market. Which should not happen because AIshits are preordaining so the manufacturer always knows how much they need to build to fully sell out each batch.
The best bet would be for legislators to step in and slap the fuckers breaking the market but... the legislator in on the AI pie. It will not get better for NAND anytime soon, in fact we are now in the golden age of consumer NAND and it is about to end.
Our only real hope is that they will actually run out of electricity.

my oc'd 9070xt is better than a oc'd 5070ti

I'm only using 120mm fans, are 140mm better?

>>107253210
there are also bottom slots above the psu, they're also an option
not sure if relevant

>>107253266
>on some irrelevant benchmark and 2 games that run better on AMD chips

>>107253270
they move more volume, which means they can achieve same temps with less rpm

>>107253266
>enables path tracing in you're (traced) path
>fsr4 is still worse in you're (aliased and blurry) path

>>107253252
The KTC and the AOC Q27G4XMN don't exist in my region. I could probably get from some grey importer but I rather not. There's also the Xiaomi miniled IPS for about 50€ more.

>>107253287
Would you rather have 3x 120mm up front or 2x 140mm?

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I've been mezmerised for months watching PC building videos daily.Setup motherboard, put in CPU, ram then install PSU and fans and suddenly you're done.

I was so wrong... i built my first gaming pc yesterday and it took me 6 hours to complete it and my fingers were swollen from tightening and untightening every mistake i made with wiring and installation.

PC building videos baited me...

>>107253327
>PSU last
kek. the first thing you do is wrangle that motherfucker in and do all the cable management on an empty case, then you screw in the mobo

>>107253327
like my sister who watches those stupid ass home reno tiktok shorts and then spends the next 3 months failing to do it

do you really need to do 20 hours of research each time you want to build a PC and not get scammed?

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>>107253150
It's way easier if you do the PSU as early as possible. Especially for the CPU power since it can be a bitch to get in with most cases.

>>107253327
skill issue

>>107253374
Meant for>>107253150

>>107253327
Wait until you do cable management as well. I broke my sata port while jamming the back side panel because the sata cable is too stiff. Fuck this meme lego shit lol the fun part is researching and waiting for sale. Next time I'll pay someone to do it for me.

>>107253327
lol. My first build took like 3 hours but it was super basic with no cable management, teenage me was fucking retarded.

>>107253167
Just put your far-top (closest to the rear) as exhaust. Then the near-top (closer to the front panel) can be left unpopulated.

3 intake, one rear exhaust, one far-top exhaust.
That should be enough.

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>>107253101
this has to be a meme

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>>107253148
990 EVO Plus is good enough for most people.
990 Pro if you need the better sustained write speeds.
I'd get WD SSDs for Linux.

>>107253148
>>>990 PRO 2TB for $216
what
that better be CAD monopoly money

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>>107253261
Investors are already pulling out of AI shit at least. Tells me that they know there's no profit in it for the foreseeable future. Surely that hobble the demand some?

>>107253477
Blackrock & Vanguard are behind the AI bubble, Invidia, Open AI, NAND & DRAM manufacturers all of them are just Blackrock & Vanguard, they are in every part of the bubble.
Tell me will Blackrock & Vanguard just implode?
Also with USA bankrolling AI tech its not going anywhere. Now if those two start pulling their shares from tech companies, yeah you can scream for heavens but until that point its all just smoke and mirrors. The bubble will grow further.

>>107253369
eh, in my experience most of the time is spent worrying about negligible differences. once you nail down the general outline of the build (budget and cpu/gpu) the minor variations between brands/models matters hardly matters much as long as you avoid the glaring outliers that don't take long to figure out
i've spent way more time fretting about ram timings that have <1% effect on benchmarks than is really warranted for instance

>>107253369
Yes otherwise you will get scammed

>>107253520
>Invidia
Nvidia* fuck autocorrect in its shiny metal ass

>>107253451
No, real american dollars, thats the lowest price in my silly country at the moment. This includes the 23% good goy tax.

>>107253477
wdym, they're not pulling out they're doubling down.
Bean counters don't make demand, they set the price for stuff. Currently the market is overvalued because these people are myopic and cannot see demand increasing past 2026.

>>107253545
he saw a tweet that 3 investors have sold their nvidia stock nevermind the dozens of companies building datacenters and shifting 2 trillion dollars to do so

>>107253356
About to do my first build today after work, have you any more tips anon

>>107253586
buy screws beforehand

>>107253369
>20 hours
Rookie numbers anon

>>107253595
What kind and how many. I thought screws were already provided?

>No 9060 XT 16GB the best value gpu of this gen
>Lying that 5090 can do native 4K when it can't in the most demanding scenarios
So is it just an ngreedia shill that makes all the OP's now?

>>107253369
>puts a meager 20 hours in
>expects to not be scammed
look at this gwailou and laugh

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/pcbg/ full of alarmist chicken littles. hardware prices may still be higher in the future but so will the prices of everything else. if you don't need shit for a few years, just be patient and wait. your really not going to save a bunch money by buying shit now that you don't yet need

>>107253612
lol he didnt boughted the screws already and now they have tripled in price as the ram lamo

>>107253523
>have <1% effect on benchmarks
which you need to do a few hours of research for to realize

>>107253624
Not worth going for AMD garbage to save 20$ now that the 5060Ti get decent BF sales.

>>107253628
Explain your logic why would hardware be more affordable inethe future if everything get more expensive?

>>107253628
feels good to be white with a credit card

>>107253155
The SSD thing escaped me, but its actually kind of obvious in hindsight, thanks. I should check out the SSD health on the Chinese mini pc I've been using for an occasional DLPNO-CCSDT single point lmao.
I guess you are right about the RAM thing, I'm just looking for a justification to buy the 9950X at this point, might as well just dump all that extra money in gold in this meme economy instead and focus on graduating.

>>107253175
I've used Psi4 way back when i was still a bachelor fag, like 10 years ago. I do remember that hybrid DFT ran a bit faster on other codes than on it, but maybe it was just my lack of understand how to use it back then.

How is comp resource availability in industry compared to academia ? Do you get compute provider credits allocated to your group or does the upper management just plop 20k every 3 years to buy a rack ?

>>107253628
People who are waiting a few years don't come to this general now.

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>>107253628
t. Mr Nothingburger
but last month you were saying it's normal black friday increases

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>>107253672
just dont buy shit that you don't need yet. anons aren't going to save a bunch of money

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>>107253628
we are not being alarmist, we are telling people to buy and prepare for hard years to come, highs and lows are natural, just as preparing for an especially brutal low.

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>mfw my 5060 ti still has bad drivers and same performance as 9060 XT for 75-100 more dollars

>>107253694
people are definitely moving from am4 to am5 when they don't really need to though

>>107253679
Whites are the Jews favourite cattle.

>>107253703
how would you set it up?

>>107253612
I genuinely don't know how you call or even measure them but I had to cannibalize my stash a few times.

>>107253691
You're welcome. Just keep an eye on your scratch disk and let it rip. Or save your money if you don't really need the upgrade / are on a budget. After you graduate, that cash can come in handy when you are moving, etc.
>comp resource availability in industry compared to academia
It is shit and very expensive. You have to be very smart and conservative with your compute time, and really cut corners until it's absolutely necessary to get high quality energies. We just have an old rack that works fine but supposedly they are going to stand up a cluster in the near future. Then we will be cooking with gas.
I believe some other industries are more comfortable with HPC in the cloud but the security concerns are too much for my extremely conservative employer. The AI push everywhere doesn't help with that either.

Good luck with everything anon :)

Is an AIO really worth it?

I got a 1TB nvme and a 2TB nvme. what is the best way to use this space? gonna put fedora xfce on the 1TB as my OS drive. should the apps be on that drive to? what do I do with the rest of the space on that drive given that an OS is probably only like 100GB? my 2TB nvme is for my main stuff (e.g., pictures, work stuff, etc.).

>>107253786
The 2TB should be the OS drive and everything should be installed on that drive

I can't find a single review or teardown of the xfx mercury 9060, fuck, I wanna see the heatsink to see if it's better

do i have to use the first end of the psu cables, or can i use the "second end", so that i can do better cableing?

>>107253797
why? wouldn't it be easier/safer/cleaner to have my main shit separated? having a single storage drive feels weird.

>>107253751
I see. I’ll have to check if i actually need to buy more screws as i havent opened any of the boxes yet

>>107253797
Why? 2TB is insane for the boot drive

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so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

from my point of view only 1TB is insane for main drive and the idea of an OS only boot drive is archaic and meaningless today

if you care that much partition it

>>107253714
are you really denying that there are alarmists in /pcbg/ who are egging on panic buying? come on

>nicotroon is back
it was good while it lasted

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Saar amd very good driver saar indians very talented coders saar pls redeem HB1 visas

>>107253777
Depending on your CPU, yeah.

>>107253867
so yeah I was going to get a 250GB nvme for the OS but it was literally like $10 more for 1TB so... now I don't know what to do with the space.

>>107253562
Your post implies that companies building DCs is a rational action based on reason because of the scope of such actions.
Nevermind the fact all AI startups do is burn cash, Openai needs 3x-4x the revenue just to stop bleeding now with current operations.

>>107253896
rational doesn't exist it's a lie we made up nothing about this industry is rational and nobody wants to stop giving money to Sam Altman and AI

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This is what happens everytime I try and install literally any driver version on my brand new 5070. Did I get a DOA card?!
PLS HELP

>>107253893
1TB isn't that much if you install games and programs on it. You should nuke every but personal data when you reinstall your OS anyway.

Why don't they just build little 120GB drives directly onto the motherboard and let you put your OS on that for minimal latency?

>>107253624
9060xt16 would be cool but you randomly see it perform like a 5050 or 5060 + can anyone really trust a low end(lower mid-range?) amd gpu to age well at this point? Seems like poorfags are the ones who always try to keep a gpu for like 6-10 years, feels like that point is relevant. At least the 8gb card is cheap as fuck by 2025 standards
I don't even really like any of the gpus this gen other than the 5090 and maybe the 5070 (cheapest gpu that can actually get a good use of path tracing+framegen+ray reconstruction), then I guess the 5060ti is the value pick for mixed use builds that need more than 12gb but can make do with 16gb

5090 is indeed capable of native 4k if you accept that not every game has to be played on a straight max preset, I wouldn't but you can if you're autistic.

>>107253919
it's poorly connected

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>>107253869
The real problem are the paid nvidijeet shills brigading this thread 24/7 that is why OP doesn't have 9060 XT 16GB and lies that 5090 can do native 4k

>>107253893
>>107253921
Why not partition it?

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DLSS from TEMU
https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/1oj6tiu/comment/nm2pwmc/?context=3

/shillvidiag/

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>>107253963
DLSS broken and still not fixed on one of the most popular fps in the world rn
KILL YOURSELF

Someone should make a single core CPU and feed it 125w
we could get like 60ghz out of it

>>107253955
ya I think that's what I'm going to do

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Niggervidia still not fixed DLSS 4 making all grass shadows in cyberpunk flicker like crazy. FSR 4 works perfect

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>Radeon announces redstone is not coming to RDNA 3
>nicotroon comes back and starts sperging
Every day im more convinced that he is the sperg with the 7900 XTX and he just pretend to have a 9070 XT

>>107254003
and how will they cool that flattop?

>>107254017
>>107253963
>>107253919
>>107253720
the shills have arrived

>>107254003
anon you can just disable cores, common practice in overclocking if you want high number

>>107254028
something purpose built to get a high clock seed would be better then something thats not

>>107253928
>motherboard
could do better desu. put a big chunk of nand right on the package for the OS like how apple or intel's lunar lake socs already have their memory

>>107253327
Been doing this, every now and then, since I was a kid in the 1990s. Whenever a build takes me 2 hours or less, I'm positively surprised.

>>107253928
what do you think an nvme drive is? directly onto the motherboard, and interface with the CPU how?...

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>>107254026
>shills
It's just one extremely bitter Canadian who's validating their purchase.

>>107254003
>60GHz
anon, this shit simply doesn't scale. Electrons need time to move
I wouldn't be surprised if the absolute maximum ever possible is around 10GHz. Transistors are already at the atom scale, we can't make them much smaller. Interconnect (metals) is also incredibly restricting at those kinds of frequencies and they get WORSE when you make them smaller

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>>107253991
FSR ever worked?

>>107254020
Yes he's the XTX fag and he's been coping ever since

He still posts XTX vs 4080 pics

remember how intel created a groundbreaking innovation and decided to kill it instead of open sourcing it because it didn't want the competition to have any know how?

>>107254078
theres 60ghz radios
its possible

it was optane btw

>>107254103
60GHz communication and 60GHz clock are entirely different things. Encoding messages on 60GHz sine waves is challenging but simple, doing 60G operations per second is absurd

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Waitbros...

>>107254074
>Canadian
Just say pajeet racism is allowed here.

>>107252961
Which among these PSUs is good for my 4070S?
>NE850G M ATX 3.1
>Thermalright KG850
>V750 SFX Gold ATX 3.1
>RMe Series RM750e Fully Modular

>>107254125
the sine waves can replaced the transistor

i boughted the 5070ti. i did good right anons..

>>107254149
check the tierlist
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

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still waiting for the 9800x3d sale... it's uh, it's coming... right guys? heh, yeah... yeah. im awesome.

>>107254149
Probably the Corsair RMe.
Some people complain about fan noise & coil whine, but I'm going with the devil I know over those alternatives.
Cooler Master PSU is for SFF PCs (SFX). You can still use it, but the included cables might be too short for mid-tower ATX cases.

>>107254168
10800x3d is right around the corner. wait for that

>>107254168
MSIs website is selling 9800x3ds for $400. best sale ive seen

why is single rank better for DDR5

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STOOOOOOOOOOP FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

>>107254201
tick tock anon

>>107254181
link or you're memeing me

>>107254201
the buy button prevents this from happening

Who makes up only 5% of the market share population but posts 82% of all brandfagging replies?

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>>107254215
its only done as a bundle as far as I know, but great deals on mobos as well. pick out an MSI board you like, and add on the CPU
https://us-store.msi.com/Motherboards/AMD-Platform-Motherboard

>>107254201
HOLD THE LINE, BLACK FRIDAY WILL SAVE US.

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>>107254201
that's just the usual amazon min-maxing the good prices went months ago

honestly the more people that get memed into buying amd shite the better. i'd never use their GPUs myself but even them (marginally) in the game prevents nvidia from turning the screws even harder

>>107253777
If you value quietness over all else, yes.
If you have a "high end" Indiantel card, yes.

>>107254243
AMD exists so that my nvidia card is priced $100 more than it, and for that I thank them

is ASRock B850 RIPTIDE WIFI AM5 AMD B850 ATX Motherboard ok if I'm just using a 65w CPU?

>>107254243
It doesn't work and AMDrones don't understand that Nvidia ship 10 cards every time AMD ship 1

>>107254254
afaik asrock only destroys x3d cpus. if you never intend on getting one, maybe. personally knowing their mobos have been destroying CPUs at all made me stay far away

>>107254153
Yes. Enjoy having a good card that literally noone who isn't a poor coper has reservations about.

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is polartherm x10 better than mx6?

>>107254278
ty friend

>>107253101
are you actually supposed to orient your fans like this?

Is warranty registration a thing? Can't I just show my receipt if something goes wrong? Or do I really have to make an account on all these corporate websites and give them all my personal information just in case something goes wrong years from now?

Buying a 9070 xt asus prime soon, what am I in for?

Sorry for offtopic but will smartphone price be affected by this AI shite? I'm planning to upgrade my phone next year but there's some decent BF deals right now.

is there a case out there with the PSU located in the front with room for 2x 120mm fans under the GPU similar to the 207 or flux rear that also uses screws instead of toolless snap in panels?

>>107254298
>what am I in for?
gender dysphoria and a rainbow flag to put out front

crazy that my 10700k is gonna be 6 years old and theres still no good enough reason to replace it

>>107254298
It's very good but only if it's 100$ cheaper than the 5070ti. Not worth giving up nvidia goodies for less.

>>107254310
Sadly I'm poor and here the 5070 ti is 20% more

>>107253270

if you are curious maybe look for sound profile spectral analyze graph at different speeds

>>107254298
9070 XT Prime is fine, 9070 XT itself is a strong card >>107245849
This Radeon generation is basically testing out the features to put into next-gen consoles. RDNA4 will get long-term support.

>>107254254
if that's the board you already have that's probably fine, but if you're looking to buy keep in mind zen 6 and it's even rumored already zen 7 will be on am5. Weigh the cost of a motherboard that isn't a time bomb vs whatever is drawing you to that particular board

>>107253369

building a pc can be as simple as plugging in power cords display cable keyboard cable and mouse cable

>>107253101
I can't believe Noctua put their logo on this retardation

>>107252961
I caved in and bought a 5070ti because of memory prices and 6k series announced for early 2027, did I do good?

>>107254364
anon you can watch smoke airflow visualization tests if you want, putting an exhaust fan in the top front slot will just waste fresh air being brought in from the front before it hits the CPU cooler.

>>107253369
I did 2 years of research and still didn't feel prepared. At some point you just have to fly blind and hope for the best. At worst you lose thousands of dollars and weeks or months of time. At best maybe you can play skyrim with lots of sexy mods.

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>>107254235
wow ty bro, just bought. gotta return the same motherboard i already got from newegg but return is free. didn't think I'd get it for below $430, thanks a bunch.

>>107254379
Killing the one top intake with tape would be better then the recycling

>>107254379
What if the top is a radiator?

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>>107254379
>putting an exhaust fan in the top front slot will just waste fresh air being brought in from the front before it hits the CPU cooler
Only if you're using a children's toy tier mobo layout

>>107254386
youre over complicating. You just buy what you can afford now and then play games

>>107254395
no problem anon! glad someone got some use out of it.

>>107254403
I'll be running a 360mm up top myself as well, I assume your rad will be for CPU cooling like an AIO so it doesnt matter as much id imagine.

>>107253777
>>107254246
Pump motors always have an ugly sound profile, which comes out to greater perceived noise, and lower RPMs don't make as big a difference as they do for fans. It's more a performance/form factor thing, otherwise A12x25s or T30s will still have better acoustics.

Got:
- Lian Li A3-mATX
- Corsair Vengeance DDR5 2x16GB CMK32 CMK32GX5M2B6000C30
- variety of m.2 Gen3 x4 NVMe DRAM SSDs (512 GB for gaming, 2TB for storage) (note: effort of bargain hunting over the years while reviewing borecraft spreadsheet)
- CORSAIR RM750x 750W 80 Plus Gold
Opting for:
- 7800x3d
- (anything from Sapphire) 9070XT
Use case:
"Movable" gaming PC case which would play on:
- 1440p screen
- 4k projector

Questions:
- No clue which MOBO to pick. 1Gbit ethernet and WiFi 6 is enough. Should I keep extra 2 RAM slots for expansion? So I can expand instead of replace?
- I am still torn on 9070XT seems too much princetag in my taste, but then I am off for a a long decade.

>>107254649
>Should I keep extra 2 RAM slots for expansion? So I can expand instead of replace?
you cant run 4 dimms on AM5 and hit overclock speed/timings. if you wanna run that 6000 CL30 kit you got, you need to stick to 2 sticks.

>>107254649
can't mix kits on am5 buy 4 stick kit now if you want that

>>107254685
What's wrong with mixing on AM5?

>>107254305
I am once again asking :(
I dont like these new toolless side panels, but I also like the 207 and flux rear design of PSU up front, 2xfans under GPU in the back. I know something like a C8 would provide good GPU cooling, but not a fan of the front glass/fishtank style.. anyone have any suggestions ?

>>107254696
The memory controller is shit and will sperg out
training is bad enough on a matched 2 stick kit already

>>107254649
>x3D
Anything but asrock. B850 board around 150$ should have everything you need.

>>107254700
fractal north xl has panels with captive screws

>>107254719
i didn't pay attention to little details on my motherboard, and now i'm stuck with a single sys_fan slot
don't know what to do to fit all my fans

>>107254744
At that price range it should have atleast 3 fan headers and you can buy a fanplitter to connect 3-4 fans on each.

>>107254770
buying pieces, even a smal sppliter, takes very long here in my country
i was thinking about just daisying 3 on the sys_fan and two on the fan_pump

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is there a list somewhere of ddr5 cl30 ram made specifically for AMD boards? does it matter if the manufacturer designed it for intel?

>updated bios
>can no longer boot into either OS drive (just a black screen)
What do

>>107254792
just check your motherboard's qvl

>>107254805
turn off secure boot

>>107254649
It seems future GPU generations will push for hardware-accelerated geometry virtualization and shadow volumes, so that decade may not be as long as you expect. I wouldn't buy a 9070 XT now either, as you're getting ~8% performance uplift over a base 9070 in exchange for 20% higher power draw and cost of entry. If you can find a 9070 below MSRP it'll be a great deal though.

>>107254791
Yeah that works too. You can tweak the fan curve on your pump header in bios so it works just like a fan header.

>>107254792

do you have fetish for cl30
just buy cheap trick that fits slot and is ddr5 memory

Should I invest into AM5 now or waitfag until AM6?

>>107254846
>should I invest into AM6 now or waitfag until AM7?

>>107254858
I was just wondering since support for AM5 is supposed to be ending next year iirc

where should I look for computer case deals?
I want the fractal north but it's $155. price history shows it's gone down to $110 before.

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>>107254817
Yep that was it. Technically it was set to off when I reimported the settings, but I needed to clear the keys that got added back when updating the bios. Thanks

>>107254870
Support for cheap hardware is going to end next year

>>107254885
>price history shows it's gone down to $110 before.
And you shouldn't count on it going back down again, why is everyone still under the illusions that manufacturers and brands aren't reaming our fucking assholes?

>>107254676
Never in my life I would assume, having more is a trouble. Good to know.

>>107254685
I would assume that having two same kits of two of 16GB is fine, i.e. this is technically kit of 4?

>>107254719
>B850
Now I understand that PCIe 5.0 doesn't do shit and GPU runs just as fine on 4.0 and even 3.0.
But I have no clue about calculating those PCIe lanes. Because it looks like GPU needs 16 lanes (unless 8 is absolutely fine) and OS nvme needs 4 lanes. (the storage doesn't matter, it can be AHCI for all I care)

>>107254828
Currently 9070XT costs in Poland 2700-3000 PLN (730 USD - 820 USD)
While 9070 is now in deal for 2300 PLN (628 USD) and up to 2700 PLN.
Fucking hell.

>>107254870
Supposedly, Zen 7 will still be on AM5. Also, given the current RAM market, various hardware releases may end up delayed.

Which undervolt profile should theoretically be more stable for the 5070?
0.92V @ 2900MHz or
0.975V @ 3000Mhz

>>107254846
depends on what you have now. If you can it's probably worth waiting, but then again the 9600x and 7800x3d aren't all that expensive so that wouldn't be terrible even if you got rid of it 3 years from now.

>>107254948
>0.975V @ 3000Mhz
Yeah no way that would be actually stable.

>>107254342
>RDNA4 will get long-term support
Kek battered wife syndrome reply.

>>107254870
>support for AM5 is supposed to be ending next year
Did you hear this echoing from your cavernous asshole?

i have a question regarding the psu connectors
do i *have* to use the "first" end on the motherboard, or can i use the "secondary" ends so that i can do better cabling?

Okay so I have an Rtx 2080, i7 9700k, MSI meg z390 ace, 2x8gb ddr4 ram. Im looking to upgrade my pc soon as jts shitting the bed bad with new titles. What parts should I be buying first? Im hearing that prices are going to get worse and amd and nvidia are considering cutting low to mid range gpus.

>>107254926
>But I have no clue about calculating those PCIe lanes
It can be different across the board but in general a b850 boards will have no problem giving you 16x for the gpu and 8x for the nvme drive to run them on the pcie lanes provided by the cpu (pcie 5.0 speed).

>>107255065
AMD has already announced price hikes on GPUs due to memory shortage. buy the RAM, storage and GPU asap IMO. CPU and motherboard prices not affected by this.

>>107254963
Been using it for over a week now but i mostly play multiplayer slops and it runs heaven benchmark just fine. Not sure if there's any artefact though.

>>107255065
I would probably upgrade the gpu first. Ram is the most fucked price wise, ssds are going up too, everything else idk.

>>107255020
anyone?

>>107255170
I dont understand the question anon, can you rephrase it

>>107255239
so, power cables have multiple ends, for daisy chaining, right?
there is the "first" connector, which is connected directly to the psu, and then the secondary connectors which branch off from the first
i would post a pic but my i'm inside a range ban for pics, apparently
can i use these "secondary" connectors instead of the first, or do i specifically need to use the first connectors
this is for cpu and gpu btw

>>107255170
It only should fit on one end. If it does both like the 12Vhpwr cable then either is fine.

>>107255065
Reinstall Windows, learn to optimize. If you have a specific game you want to play and can't (unlikely), build for that game. If you're not CPU limited, you can just drop in a 5070. Rebuild the rest of the system after checking performance if you're not getting the performance you want, as RAM has already skyrocketed. You'll be paying like $225 for 32 GB of DDR5 if you buy now

>>107254846
Always wait if you can, at least until something good comes around. If you're asking, you don't already have AM5. DDR5 is extremely overpriced currently, so not worth buying a new platform if you can wait. If you already have AM5, end of the line AM5 chips haven't come out yet, so the answer again is: wait.

>>107254685
Not a good idea to buy four sticks with DDR5.

consider 3 intake front, 1 exaust back
backsite top slot is hindered by cables, so no exaust there
i can either intake frontside top, or intake frontside top
which is better? would a top intake bring in too much dust?

>>107253356
kek

>maybe not in puny ITX cases

>>107254298
isnt prime like the zotac/pny of amd? not sure if thats a good idea

>>107255574
No, that would be xfx/sapphire
ASUS is ASUS

>>107254846
I remember seeing a leaked roadmap for AMD and it looked pretty miserable.
If there was anything I was hoping for, it would be a AMD AI max upgrade (for FSR 4 mainly), but nope, they have zero plans for anything any time soon.
Until we get 8 channel ddr6 and HBM AI GPU's, things are looking kind of bleak.

>>107255584
i meant as in cheap low end
well i guess prime mobos arent getting the same care as prime gpus if what you said is true

>>107254298
Missing FSR 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGRXuINFz0
i love antisemitism so fucking much its unreal

>>107254296
>can't I just show my receipt
Generally yes but sometimes you'll get a longer warranty if you register

>>107254134
Who knows when RTX 60 will launch, but early 2027 is the earliest. If RTX 50 Super exists, it's not getting released until mid 2026 at the earliest, and I doubt Nvidia will release RTX 60 six months later. Having said that, these things get planned years in advance, and early 2027 would fit in the overall timeline. Personally I feel late 2027 is just as good a possibility, and honestly, the longer the generations, the better. Force these retarded devs to optimize around the hardware they have before giving them more headroom.

>>107255600
Prime is garbage in general. Prime is the model, ASUS is the make. Prime is ASUS bottom of the barrel in all categories

>>107255640
3090 Ti and 3080 12GB were released a few months before RTX 40 series launched.

>>107255608
why do people buy nvidia? their drivers dont work. their cables melt. they're overpriced.

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Alienware AW2725DF for $550 or Gigabyte AORUS FO27Q3 for $600?

>>107255824
AI software tends to support Nvidia cards very well, and these cards also tend to have good AI hardware.

>>107255841
If you're going to pay that much, try to get the XG27AQWMG when it's out, or pay a bit more for a 4K 32" OLED if your video card can run it.

>>107252961
talk me outta building an am4 system

>>107254947
Oh sweet. This was my main question but I didn't know how to ask it.

>>107256003
DDR4 is overpriced

i am sorry to bother with this subject again, but i encountered an issue:
i had already decided on 3 intakes fron, 2 exausts (rear and backside top), but turns out my mother board's cpu power slot gets in the way of using the backsite top fan slot
which leaves me with 3 intakes, front, the rear exaust, and an extra fan which i have no clue where to put. fronside top intake? bottom intake under the gpu? (but then it would be directly above the psu, would it even get enough air to blow?)

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>>107256003
Depends on how much you value the upgrade path to a Zen 6 X3D CPU if you build a 7500F or 7600/9600X PC now.
If you're happy with the 5600 or 5700X's performance for the next 5~10 years, go ahead and get the AM4.

>>107256003
>DDR4 prices just went up
>5800X3D and 5700X3D have been discontinued
Should have done it a year ago when the 5700X3D and DDR4 were both cheap as fuck.

>>107256003
great perf/price, outside x3d everything is in stock, mature and reliable
not sure hows the ram situation affecting ddr4

>>107255551
I currently have a 5800X so I'm on AM4 with a 4070 Ti Super so I'm pretty sure I'm bottlenecking myself.

>>107256028
There are fan hubs that might solve this problem, ones with ARGB ports too.
https://www.arctic.de/us/Case-Fan-Hub/ACFAN00175A
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Controller-Support-Magnetic-Supported/dp/B09SZBJ5JZ

>>107254792
Intel 6000cl30 kits are essentially the same

>>107254948
0.92v 2.9ghz sounds way too aggressive
The second profile is probably more stable

>>107256028
3 intake and 1 rear exhaust already solves most of the airflow concerns.
That last fan won't make much difference wherever you set it.

>>107256062
thank you anon, but you misunderstood my question
there is no space for the actual fan, the fan itself gets in the way of the 8pin cpu power slot

>>107256051
this situation looks like long term shitshow, hunting down a am4 x3d might sound like a decent idea right now

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my old computer that ive been using for 12 years didnt have a single intake fan

>>107255841
I would get the Alienware at that price, but they're not good discounts considering the MSI 271QRX was available @ $600 last year.

>>107254296
Warranty outside of the 30 day retailer window is fucking worthless unless you're Yuro supposedly? Registering for warranty or RMA is great way to get doxxed for nothing, since they'll find any reason not to honor the warranty and then have their database leaked by being retards.

>>107256105
You make a great point. How wary should I be about used CPUs?

>>107256241
>How wary should I be about used CPUs?
Depends which. Zen 3 Ryzen 9s are an absolute no go because people left their mobos on default power profiles and continue to fuck them till this day, X3Ds and the others should be fine. If it's a local sale, ideally get proof of function and inspect the pins carefully upon collection. CPUs are probably one of the less risky things to buy used imo.

have some spare cash around, I just saw an used 2x8GB GSkill 3200 DDR4 pair for $30 should I bite the bullet before the average marketplacetard wises up on rising ram prices?

>>107256118
i randomly noticed the other day the one exhaust fan at the back of my case stopped at some point and it didn't appear to make a difference at all in actual performance. or maybe it did and i just assumed it was normal idk, it wasn't crashing. gonna keep cooking my shit until i bother to rummage up a new fan

>>107256118
all the fans slowly died in my case and i just took off both side panels and all the optical drive bay covers and put a box fan next to it. ran it like that for years with no issues, but the entire inside of the PC was covered in dust and shit

>>107256003
DDR4 ram is too expensive unless you already have a board and cpu on hand. Just go AM5 if you're buying now.

Wtf i'm in canada and usually the cheapest OLED is like $800.
The Acer Predator X27U is $500 CAD now, I thought that was the price WOLED's are supposed to be in the US, and it's RWBG, not LCD but sometimes WOLED's swap the RG colors.
I have shilled the Q27G40XMN miniled, but in CAD it's like $450 (if it was in stock).
What's the catch? Is it already $400 or something in the US?
I'm not gonna buy it, since I actually love IPS and I only have a 1660 TI, and I'm thinking about downgrading to a handheld PC for shits and giggles (there is nothing worth upgrading for).

>>107256396
>sometimes WOLED's swap the RG colors.
*oh this woled swaps the RGB colors to RBG, I brainfarted that. I was thinking it was one of the oleds that have slightly better text clarity, maybe good enough to avoid installing mactype.

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>>107252961
I'm poor and stupid, I'm sorry if this question is bothersome.
>old laptop can't keep up with games any more
>machine doesn't even meet minimum specs for a few of the new-ish games I'd like
>need a smallish footprint due to small, cluttered, poorfag apartment
Am I better off buying a refurbished, small form factor office computer and (badly) hot rodding it with a gpu, or should I save my wagie bucks for the new steam cube (if it's like $700)? idk if waiting would be worth it or not.

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>go to microcenter and ask about mobo and ram stick compatibility
>"just pick ddr4 or ddr5 and get a mobo that supports that and it will work bro"
>go look at a motherboard online and see this
I'm looking to see if I can buy ddr5-6000 ram, would these "Memory Type" specifications throttle the speed of the ram? Would it be capped at 5600 and not 6000?

>>107256470
Those are stock transfer rates
6000 MT/s is an overclock

>>107256470
technically anything above that is overclocking, you can see the line that says 'memory speeds supported' says it can maybe go up to 8200.
if you buy ddr5-6000 it was have an 'AMD EXPO' profile (Intel's equivalent is called XMP) that will let you go into the bios and run it at that speed with like one click, but you have to manually do it. the motherboard and ram are practically guaranteed to run at the 6000mhz speed your ram is certified for but they make you jump through a hoop to actually do it so they can tell you 'oh well' if it doesn't

>>107256513
So if I want to make use of 6000mt/s ram I'd have to overclock the motherboard?

>>107256539
I think you're answering "yes" to the above question. Why would they do this? It's so weird seeing so many DDR5 6000 (and above) ram sticks, even if they're bloated in price, and much fewer motherboards that support that speed by default.

>>107256561
>I'd have to overclock the motherboard?
The CPU's memory controller is what gets overclocked, but it's one click in BIOS. Technically there's a chance that your CPU can't hit 6000 MT/s but it's extremely low

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>>107256442
Both are bad options imo.
The Steam Machine will definitely cost over $700, Valve said there will be no hardware subsidy since there's no guarantee Steam Machine customers will pay for games on the Steam Store.

This system will be better than the Steam Machine, it's not cheap though.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RQZPjn

>>107256470
Those specs are just what the CPU manufacturers are legally required to support, anything faster is considered overclocking and Intel/AMD won't help you if your CPU can't run faster speeds.
But it's rare to get a bad CPU bin where it can't run 6000MT/s.
Even AMD's official CPU review guideline suggested 6000MT/s is the sweet spot because the CPU can easily support it.

>>107255096
>>107255107
Do you think ram prices will continue to go up? I didnt want to start getting parts until early next year but now im unsure.

>>107255824
because amd supports their cards for 2 years only

>>107256603
>The Steam Machine will definitely cost over $700
That would be insane considering you can get a PS5 Pro for less

>>107256590
I'm considering a 9950x3d, maybe a 9800x3d, so I'm guessing it won't be a problem for the cpu.

>>107256603
It's not the CPU specs though, those are motherboard specs.

>>107256609
>Do you think ram prices will continue to go up?
Big tech bought years worth of production. Unless we see an AI crash, they are guaranteed to rise.

>>107256635
>those are motherboard specs.
Similar story for the motherboard specs.
The manufacturers will just shrug if your system can't run past 5600MT/s.
They use good CPU samples to get fast speeds validated in the QVL. It's about bragging rights.

GSkill's QVL shares more realistic board-compatible memory speed info, but you still need an above-average CPU (integrated memory controller) for the faster speeds.
https://www.gskill.com/configurator

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Ive finished building my pc, everything seems to be in order, but when i turn it on there is nothing on the screen, and the boot light on the mb [pic rel] is red
Mb is gigabyte b850m ds3h
Whay went wrong? How to fix?

>>107256634
Because the vast majority of people who buy a PS5 Pro will purchase games @ the PlayStation Store.
The Steam Machine is a PC; people can install other OS and pirate games much more easily.

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On the topic of DDR5 6000 ram, this is a good deal right? Should I just jump on this as soon as possible?

>>107256617
https://www.amd.com/en/blogs/2025/continued-support-for-every-radeon-gamer.html

>>107256693
You need to wait about 5~15 minutes for the initial memory training to complete for AM5 boards.

>>107256706
That's a deal given the current market prices (2x 16GB CL30 costing over $200).

>>107256706
yes

>>107256708
You bought the snake oil

>>107256712
What happens if i, maybe, turned it off midway?

>>107256723
by "deal" you mean a good deal, just to clarify?

>>107256730
The board will start the memory training process again from the beginning.

>>107256743
I wouldn't say it's good, but what are you going to do? Wait 1~2 years?
The good deals were offered this summer.

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>>107256442
gabecube for $700 is fine, but I have a feeling that the gabecube is not going to have a "perfect" windows experience (simply because I hear people have problems on the steamdeck for things like audio, but I dunno, maybe it's different? Also no 2nd nvme slot for dual boot... no usb4 for 2x faster external nvme drive...)
"shitty laptop" can mean a lot of things.
If you had a 3050 gpu, your CPU should still be solid enough for games if it's an i7 or something, and if you had a spare NVME slot, you can plug a egpu in there with a 40$ adapter (BUT the bottom of your laptop will be exposed with a wire dangling out, not very portable, and the video will only output to the GPU).
Just make sure the m.2 slot is NVME slot, since some slots are Sata m.2 SSD slots and they look identical.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003286140773.html
If your laptop can't do the job (bad cpu or no spare nvme / not willing to compromise with a slower boot drive), I suggest getting a xbox ally (the xbox ally X with z2 extreme is better if you want to have an egpu, BUT you can't recharge it I think, since the only usb 4 is also the 100w charging port, unless you use the m.2 slot for the egpu).
You need a usb 4 hub with Displayport alt mode if you want to plug it in and use it as a PC, see more here:
>>107232803
Refurbished is risky, but I bet good laptops exist. a 4060M is equal to a 4060 desktop, and if you got that for $700 + warranty/ return policy, that's amazing (but a 4070M is a 8gb 4060 chip less locked down, nowhere close to a 12gb 5070).

>>107256729
the snake oil is nvidia drivers.
they're broken as shit on windows 11 and linux

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>>107256755
Well, right, I guess compared to sub $200 this isn't a historically good price, but right now this is the cheapest I've seen 64gb ddr5 6000 ram go for.

>>107256708
low information buyer

>>107256744
Oh thank god
I was afraid it mightve ruined the machine like a bios powet outtage would
I was searching what else could cause this red light and it says that one possible reason is because there is no os (or bootable drive), so I'm turning it on again already with my iso thumbdrive connected this time

>>107256792
>that September spike
in a fair world this shit would be illegal

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>Upgrading ssd in laptop
>Aorus 15 RX5P
I've heard the 990 Pro has over heating issue. Do I go with the SN850X? Thanks.

>>107256003
if you are building on AM4 now with these DDR4 prices fucking LOL I won't stop you

Shit I've even got some RAM to sell you

>>107256118
lol neither does my server with 5 HDDs in it

>>107256833
Can't find a good thermal comparison, but TechPowerUp shows the 990 Pro is more power efficient in general.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/phison-e28-es/7.html

I'm beginning to think

the store that sold me RAM

did not actually have the RAM

and they aren't going to send me any RAM

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>>107256764
>gabecube is not going to have a "perfect" windows experience
I'd just use the normal linux it comes with, so i'm not too concerned. All my games seem to run on it ok.
>shitty laptop can mean a lot of things
I have a mobile 1050 with a 7th generation i5 (i think). I don't have the slots to do any of that stuff anyways.

>>107256603
>This system will be better than the Steam Machine
wow, that's expensive. I'm not trying to be better than the steam machine, I was just hoping it might be in a stretch budget and still be good for me. I don't need something really musclely, just workable. I came up with this for a pc build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qGPLt3. But I'm still thinking about buying an old office computer and putting a thin 3050 in it and maybe ram for $400-500.

>>107256896
Office PC with a 3050 6GB should be good enough, this card just needs the PCIe slot to power it, no cables needed.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zJXV3C/msi-gaming-x-geforce-rtx-3050-6gb-6-gb-video-card-rtx-3050-gaming-x-6g
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RrCZxr/asus-dual-oc-geforce-rtx-3050-6gb-6-gb-video-card-dual-rtx3050-o6g
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TGMMnQ/msi-ventus-2x-oc-geforce-rtx-3050-6gb-6-gb-video-card-rtx-3050-ventus-2x-6g-oc

I'd make sure the office PC's case dimensions has room for the card.

>>107256896
A 3060 12GB is significantly faster at around $270 if you manage to find a PC with an 8-pin PCIe power cable.
9060 XT 8GB is also an option at a similar cost to the 3060 12 GB, it has a stronger GPU (1x 8pin PCIe power cable needed).
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-6-gb/30.html
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cBPQzy/zotac-geforce-rtx-3060-12-gb-gaming-twin-edge-video-card-zt-a30600e-10m
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zTpD4D/gigabyte-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-9060-xt-8-gb-video-card-gv-r9060xtgaming-oc-8gd

Alright I got my asus prime 9070 xt today.
How do I tell if I won the silicone lottery?

>>107257080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naBqsSfGX3A

steam machine would've been so much better if it had like 40xx or 50xx gpu in it
you could recommend it much more widely to people
you cant upgrade it so now its doomed with fsr3

Is the 5090 8K-capable if I only play older games? I mean native rendering and at framerates higher than 60.

>>107257143
Yes its 512 bit bus width and 32GB VRAM gives it the bandwidth to make 8K possible on several older games

steam machine is going to cost $499

>>107257160
its was plausible for the 500gb model but valve has to include AI shitshow into the prices so now its at minimum 600

If I want to keep my hardware safe, will I need a UPS or will a surge protector be enough?

>>107257137
I'm jealous how easy they make overclocking on amd cards. None of the nvidia guides are this simple to understand.

>>107257206
>>107257206
>>107257206

>>107257198
UPS is preferable. You don't want the power to go out when you're updating something important like bios. That's the real danger

>>107257215
thats kinda 3rd world thing?

>>107257143
Imagine boughting a 5090 to play older games at absurdres where you can't even see the differences.

>>107257234
Well if you never have power outs then you don't need an UPS, the surge protector will do

>>107253104
better gpu brand
powercolor needs to die

>>107253374
>>107253327
>that inbred jew rat face

>>107256442
wow
pretty good bait actually, best I've seen in a while.
subtle, not too horny, just the right amount of obliviousness.
4/10

>>107256803
nta but you might have to plug that directly in the back of the motherboard

>>107257198
>>107257215
adding to that, most "surge protectors" are complete and utter disposable shit, just a cheap MOV and a circuit breaker. Buy a Tripp Lite or similar industrial grade model that will have quality MOVs and a decent build. No matter what, a real "surge" will fry the surge protector.

>>107257234
nigga i lived in Redmond for six months this year and over that time the power went out three times and one of the times it was out for a day and a half. I guess the home of Microsoft is 3rd world tho.

>>107257246
strongly recommend a line-interactive UPS of at least 1000va so you can get enough time to to an orderly shutdown.

>>107256442
>buying a refurbished, small form factor
you got that pic yesterday, huh?

SFF office pcs are generally not what you want for a gaming platform, most of them use low-end intel CPUs and have cucked power supplies. only do this if you are truly desperate and remember that your upgrade options can be limited.

if you are looking to splash cash on a fresh steamy log machine you might be able to snag a new prebuilt (even from one of the big box vendors like Dell, HP, Lenovo) with a decent AMD CPU that would be much better for the same money. you don't mention what country you are in but "refurbished/returned" systems are available, you have to do your research.

>>107257726
kek