Did you shoot this weekend? edition Guide:https://files.catbox.moe/9g5sv2.pdfPastebin:https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNik (embed)Previous thread:>>61968647
It's barely the weekend yet so noAlso no, I shoot on weekdays when the range is less rowdy
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What was your first handgun? Do you still own it? Would you pick it again or pick something else with the benefit of hindsight?
Shot my Hellcat Pro as a total novice.>felt stupid loading magazines unused to tension>didn't hit any sort of intentional grouping likely due to recoil>gun felt great in my hand thankfully no malfunctions>had a lot of fun anyway>watched several videos, read manual, and successfully disassembled, clean, and reassembled>first class is early next monthI did it /k/.
>>61976488first handgun: M9A3 I'd pick it again in a heart beat
No outdoor ranges nearby, since my work schedule is changing i can no longer go shooting Friday's when its half off. How much do you pay for a membership to your local shooting range if you have one? Its like 200 a year for mine which is the price of about 15 range trips so I'm considering it, also has unlimited gun rentals and a few other perks
>>61976488This Walther P99. Absolutely, would never sell it. I would not pick it again as it's in .40, it gave me a terrible flinch that took me years to get over without instruction. I had nightmares about it.However a 9mm version in green at the time would be high on the list of finalists. A lot of the ubiquitous strikers we have now didn't exist the, it was pretty much only this or Glock. If I could do-over with today's knowledge I'd probably have gotten a 9mm 1911 or P226.>>61976542$200/yr. Just changed last year, it used to be $150/yr c'est la vie
>>61976542400 a year.
For some people it's the px4, for others perhaps a p99, for me...it's the baby...>>61976488I believe that would be...the babyand I would pick it again every time. It hasn't left my side in years.
>>61976594Are you squiddingme ? Do you even get a range valet and buffet access with that?
>>61976519Nice job anon, you'll have a bunch of fun improooving
>Drivin' muh F150>Open carryin' muh 1911 (Norinco, of course)>Eatin' muh McDonald's BurgerYup, I'm about as American as it gets, boys.
>>61976679W replacement Walther P99 backstrap should fit better than that PPQ onehttps://www.waltherforums.com/threads/update-walther-p99-s-w-sw990-backstrap-interchangeability.131701/
>>61976589How do you feel about the Walther p99c? I see one for under $500 on gunbroker
>>61976594>>61976669The indoor range I go to is $600 a year and it's old, has terrible ventilation, and is always FILLED with ghetto people due to the neighborhood. Texas being le based gun state is a fucking meme
>>61976736It's just a mini P99 with the same foibles as the full size but now with 1 less finger. Other than nostalgia or /hg/ autism I dunno why anyone takes 10 round subcompacts seriously anymore when 12 round micros are smaller, lighter, MUCH thinner and cost the same or less. But it's a good gun with a very good trigger.
>>61976624Hello Cousin
>>61976488>What was your first handgun?Pic>Do you still own it?You betcha.>Would you pick it again or pick something else with the benefit of hindsight?I probably should have bought a .22 to learn on. At least then it would be easier to diagnose shooting issues.
>>61976723Oh, yeah. I did that some time back, this photo was before it arrived. Thanks, though!
>>61976785Hell yeah
>>61976779...based...
>>61976488A P238. Still have it. I don't know if I would have bought anything else at the time, there were far fewer decent options for small guns then. Pre-P365 days. It's a decent shooter for its size but I never carry it anymore and it suffers from a weak magazine catch spring, even after getting swapped out for Sig's "upgraded" heavy spring twice. All pinky extension mags back out under recoil with anything resembling a man's grip strength. I'd sell it if anyone around here wanted to buy it, but they don't because no one wants a single stack micro anymore.
Would this make a good beargun?
My first hand gun was a 92fs, which I sold after maybe having it a year. I put maybe a box of ammo thru it. I just wasn’t really into guns/shooting at the time. I have one once again.
>>61976978Doubtful. Bears have large paws with short fingers. I'd be surprised if a bear could even hold, much less fire, that handgun.
>>61976978You could ask cheem-anon if any of the people who grope him think so
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>>61976978It's a gun, so yes, it'll be fine against bears. Bears hate getting shot.
>>61977037I don’t know what this means in relation to my post other than you’re a faggot
>>61976986Very nice. Classy.
>>61976210Ok but is the Beretta 92 still relevant for CCing compared to more modern choices? Pic unrelated.
>>61977120Thanks. Nice hi powers
>>61977142Thx m8, they're my current obsession. I do love me some spaghets though
>>61976488The S&W model 3, still own it, picrel.I probably should have bought something else. Ammo is rare and expensive, .44 Russian. Sights are awful. Probably would have had more fun with something else as a broke college student. Still glad I have it though.
>>61976210>Did you shoot this weekend?REEEEEE no! I was trying to Friday afternoon but I had work shit to do Friday evening and didn't have time. Still mad about it, going Monday though.>>61976488Glock 17 Gen 3. Still on my nightstand, probably wouldn't choose something else either.
>>61977053I'm sure there's a handgun behind all those words, but I just couldn't see it.
Where were you when Glockfags dug up the corpse of John M. Browning and pissed on it, shit on it, vandalized the headstone, and made every 1911 weep in unison knowing their gun is obsolete?
>>61976488>What was your first handgun?Springfield 3" 1911, picrel>Do you still own it? Would you pick it againNo and definitely no. I didn't start carrying regularly until I got the P238, (also picrel, also gone) so having a gun was mostly something that gave me peace of mind when I was living alone for the first time. In retrospect, I should have just bought a 92FS since I ended up owning a dozen of them later.
>>61977235A dozen 92s?
Where the fuck can I buy cz 75 mags. Everywheres sold out
>>61976978That looks nothing like a bear.
>>61977247Currently only 11, planning on consigning one or two of them at my LGS because it's gotten out of hand.
>>61976210Did you end up shooting the rifle? Any more baffle strikes? Sorry I had to bounce so soon, had to work at 3.
>>61976823How do those PSA mags run in your Bauer? I need to get around to picking up a couple of extras.
>>61977274https://gregcotellc.com/cart/cz-factory-mecgar-actmag-c-173/
>>61977221>almost 300 dollars for a triggerNo.
>>61977307Hopefully as flawlessly as they do in my psp, but who knows with the slightly looser tolerances on the bauer. Just got the bauer so will probably test it out monday (or later in the week) and report back
>>61976488Jericho II (((Enhanced))), the nu-models where they changed the barrel rifling, slide machining, and polymer frame. God I was retarded. At the time I bought it there was almost zero aftermarket support so good luck getting a holster with the light you want and when I wanted to dip my toes into optics, I realized I had to send the slide out to get milled. I sold it after a year. There is a silver lining though. Dry firing with that 12lb double action perfected my trigger pull and it solidified my taste in DA/SA and hammer-fired pistols. If I could do it again, I would just suck up the price and go straight to a USP or P226.
>>61977221>>61967886and the funny thing is it doesn't come close to replicating it. You can't get the low pre travel and over travel and even more importantly the non-hinged trigger from a 2011. Putting 11 at the end is the gayest marketing gimmick ever. We're calling anything a 2011 now I guess.
>>61976589Burt what is your rule of thumb on # of mags per gun?
>>61976488pic rel. it's absolute dogshit but it's still in the back of the safe somewhere>>61977221johnny glock is a sheister. this either doesn't work as advertised or is preposterously unsafe. likely both
>>61977221aftermarket glock trigger gizmos always suck
anyone own a grand power? i want a rotating barrel that isn't ass ugly. berettafags need not reply
>>61977526I have no doubt this Johnny Glock shit sucks but I have heard nothing but good about Apex/Timney triggers.
>>61977221>almost $300 for a trigger that physically can't replicate a 1911 because it's still hingedDo glockfags really
>>61977552Glockfags will tell you Glocks are unironically perfect and then when you point out that the first thing people do is change the shitty sights and then a lot of people also change the trigger and get Talon grips and shit they just call you poor or something.
>>61977508I like to have 5 minimum per pattern which is enough to preclude loading mags at the range when shooting 2-3 guns per trip. If it's something i really like I have more>>61977533Ya. They're pretty great. Not cheap anymore though, the current importer gayed the prices several years ago.
>>61976488>What was your first handgun?Sw E Series 1911, pic related>Do you still own it?Yes>Would you pick it again or pick something else with the benefit of hindsight?I would have picked up a 226 instead with the knowledge I have now, but I probably would have eventually bought a 1911 anyways.45 acp is pretty fucking expensive to shoot, though.
>>61977563the current importer is selling them for $380, that's pretty cheap for a reliable handgun. poorfag-tier price even
>>61977221People swear by this trigger and JG in general but what kind of faggot really names his company “Johnny Glock”
>>61977681That's just my nickname sonny, heh. Anyways this fag has to use a respirator because covid almost got him, it's not even a real thing LOL
>>61977641Oh woah that's new. Liquidating the Mk12s to replace with the new Mk23s maybe? That's a great price, even straight from Global Ordnance. Damn the Q series strikers are under $300 lol
>>61977533Px4 is not ugly but you’re free to buy your gun from a country I’ve never heard of before
>>61976488A calicucked P229, I sold it during covid and eventually found another P229 without the disgusting ban state features. If I was starting again I probably would've spent more time looking for a non CA-compliant P226.
>>61977733>mk12 vs mk23what's the difference and is the 23 worth double the burgerbucks or should i just get the 12?
>>61977771Any tips for circumveting faggy mag caps? Ten rounds is literal circumsion of pistols let alone all else
>>61977785Some guns the .40 S&W mag and 9mm mag are nearly identical and the difference in feed lips don’t matter. 14-15 rounds of 9mm can fit in a Beretta 96 10 round .40 S&W magazine.
>>61977785>"great question, everyone answer" dot memea magazine is literally a box with a spring, if this is too much for you to figure out you are beyond help and should stay in your cucked state fir the good of everyone
>>61976488Glock 17 Gen 4. I sold it a couple years later after I had another pistol, and was I a bind and needed cash. Knowing what I know now, I'd probably have bought a G19 or a CZ75 instead.
>>61976488Depending on how you look at it either a Beretta 96, or a very early import .40 S&W Jericho. There are objectively better choices for first gun, but I had so much fun with those that I wouldn't change a thing.
>>61977785Just go to another state and buy some regular hi-cap mags and drive them back to your state. Then keep them hidden in your house in case of the bugaloo. No cops will find them unless you are a drug dealer or criminal that gets their house searched. And if they are found, just claim they are not yours, probably in the house from the last owner. KEK.
>>61976488I think it was a Pietta 1858 and conversion cylinder. I still own it. I really should have gotten something more practical in 9 or .22 to start with but at least my next pistol was a Polymer80 brand Glock 19.
>>61976978I've yet to see any definitive tests that have been recorded and studied on the efficacy of 10MM vs. bears. It's up to you, anon, to go into the woods and shoot as many bears with it for science
>>61976542It was $70 the last time I had one but it's probably more like $100 now; I stopped getting the membership since they were closed for a year or two because of corona and I don't usually go there enough to make it cheaper than paying the day use fee.
>>61977775I honestly have no idea. It LOOKS mostly cosmetic only, but I do see an optic cut on the Mk23. There was a big change to make the takedown mechanism easier going from Mk7 to Mk12, I don't see anything substantial other than the optic cut on the Mk23, externally at least. They tease colored frames in the description but I only see vague evidence on image search
June and July are the worst months for firearm sales. Apparently a large segment of the gun market are cishet normies with partners and children, and during these months, they're blowing all their money on summer vacations with their families. Since dealers are feeling the summer squeeze now, what kinda of deals can we look forward to during 4th of July? Think we'll get anything juicy or will it the deals be a dud? I must GUNSOOM!
>>61976488A Smiff 1911. Developed hammer follow issues and ended up shooting me in the leg, nearly blowing my kneecap off. I gave it to hippies to turn it into a gardening implement because fuck that gun.
What wml fits on this m&p that y'all can recommend? Shit doesn't have a rail
>>61976488G19 Gen 4YesIf I hadn't, I'd have been plagued by intrusive thoughts demanding I get one to see what the fuss is about, so It's for the best I got it out of the way early.
What screw do you use for this grip?
>>61978239>wml>no rail
>>61978239Maybe some extremely crappy Crimson Trace clamp on or something absolutely not worthwhile. Carry a fleshlight in your pocket
>>61976756>Texas [...]is a fucking memeThey've always been all hat and no cattle. The defenders of the Alamo LOST. "Don't mess with Texas" was the slogan for a fucking anti-littering campaign.
>>61977284You'll regret it. I don't know how, but you're going to miss them and try to replace them eventually.
>>61977561The sights are cheap and usable, and easy to replace if you need more. People who change the trigger are wrong, unless they're installing a smooth-faced G17 OEM trigger in their G19/26 to replace the serrated "target trigger" that those guns come with so that the ATF will let them into the country. The default grip texture is fine for most people and it would detract from the gun if the grip texture was as aggressive as some people want straight out of the box and everyone else had to sand it down to their taste.
>>61978276>>61978292So do ppl that use handheld lights instead of wml do their shooting one handed in a self defense scenario or hows that shit work
>>61978396>ppl that use handheld lights instead of wml do their shooting one handed in a self defense scenarioEssentially, yes. There are lots of clever ways to mash your gun hand and flashlight hand together to pretend you're shooting normally, and several of them are slightly better than nothing, but it's mostly cope.
>>61977755Px4s are some of the ugliest guns on the planet. There's a reason no one else wants to replicate the design.
>>6197648892A1I think looking back, I made a good choice and picked it given my circumstances. Given my current knowledge 7 years later, I think I would have been better off buying a high quality .22 like a K22 or Hammerli 208 right off the bat, then bought the 92A1 second, then probably a Swiss P210-6 third.
We interrupt your petty Internet arguments for some HANDGUN CONTENT
>>61978049>t. 1903 faggot
>>61978049Just buy the 250 dollar dagger already you stupid broke faggot.
>>61979290>everyone who isn't cishet is the same 1 person dipshit>>61979303I have no interest in that firearm (looks like something only poors even talk about... like (you)). Kill yourself, fuckwad.
I want a Milwaukee Glock to go with my Milwaukee Duct Knife
>>61976268what do you think I want the pics for?
>>61978049>cishetwhat is that, some made up pronoun? Don't act like I'm supposed to know what your made to bullshit refers to, xir.
>>61979426>not Dewalt
Anyone have recommendations for a fuddy-five that will be converted to .460 Rowland?Ideally magazine capacity ≥10, and if I could eat my cake and have it too, light enough to carry yet also aesthetic enough to engrave to make into an heirloom.I'm not altogether opposed to a steel frame, is what I'm saying.
>>61979459>xirwhat is that, some made up pronoun? Don't act like I'm supposed to know what your made to bullshit refers to, chud.
>>61979629FNX-45Get one on 460rowland.com
Love this glock so much it's unreal
The 92S has better aesthetics than the FS
I'm going to change my shitty OEM Glock sights.What is the best aftermarket Glock sight that doesn't involve tritium?
>>61979746Get some TRUGLO fiber optic sights.
>>61978049>can’t make a single post without talking about the fact that he’s a literal faggotThis is why people hate queers.
>>61978348We sell in Texas right now and i hate it that the space between cities is so fucking empty. In Pennsylvania it still had micro town with pretty funny gunshops.
>>61979847The space between cities being empty would be a good thing if Texas wasn't so fucking gay. PA needs to be like that. You can't go five feet without being in someone's backyard.
>>61979833Is Truglo better than Ameriglo?
>>61977221Does anyone know if there is genuinely a good glock drop in trigger that compares to a Walther trigger? After buying a 1911 I don't want to go back to crappy striker fired triggers but .45 ACP isn't cheap so I was thinking of either upgrading my PSA Dagger or selling it. Options would be a Walther or a 9mm 1911. Question is, is there a Glock trigger that will allow me to save a couple bucks and just upgrade?
>>61979844>he assumes that's my only post ITT>he extrapolates something unsaid and chooses to get upset over it and ignore the on-topic questionThis is why people hate room-temp IQ cousin fuckers>>61979902idk
>>61976488funny enough it was actually a PX4, i think i bought it back in 2017
>>61979459stop pretending you don't know every facet of lgbt 2.0 culture.
>>61979459I think it’s some sort of slur they made up for normal people. Whoever this guy is I hope he dies miserably
>>61978049Any day now, huh
>>61979676What it do?
>>61979894Isn't all that empty, barren land in Texas privately owned though?
>>61980106Look assuming this isn't bait you need to sign up for more newsletters on sites. 4th of july isn't a big sale holiday for guns but there are some deals on misc. stuff like grips and mags. Palmetto also has a crappy crimson trace red dot on sale for 70
>>61980143that's why I called Texas gay. Can't go five feet without being in someone's back yard. I did a bad job of explaining. Texas just has more barren land than PA. Whereas PA is more packed until you really start getting out west but even then still packed.
>>61980158>Palmetto also has a crappy crimson trace red dot on sale for 70Nice, I've been thinking of getting a .22 so I can dabble in the cheapies. I'm mostly looking for discounts on actual handguns though. I feel pretty dang stocked up on all my current gear.>>61980170Ah, I see now. Sounds like you've lived in both places. How do their gun cultures compare? Texas seems like it'd only good if you own a lot of land to shoot on. The West seems like the best due to all the public land available, but the coastal states have some wacky laws.
>>61980106If your goal is suicide by headshot you don’t need that tight of groupings
>>61980106>Complains about people having families>Doesn't have a family to hang out with>Calls everyone else incel>Can't figure out basic sales patternsWhat kind of bait is this?
>>61979342>Has to wait on sales instead of buying when he wants to>Calls anyone else poorJust buy the dagger already poorfag.
>>61980196He'd want an anatomy lesson though so he doesn't blow his eyeballs or jaw out and has to live the rest of his life in hell.
>that guy who gets his sale information from newsletters>not just using gun.deals
>>61980229IMO chopping off your dick and having to dilate would be living hell
fellas, should I bite the bullet and get the 92x rdo centurion at my local gun shop or hold out for a compact?
>>61980291What do you prefer?
>>61980360I'm not sure to be honestI'm new to handgunsthe shorter barrel of both feels right, but I don't know how concealable the centurion isobviously the compact is easier, but is the centurion really that much harder to conceal?
>>61980375regardless of the barrel size a 92-frame pistol is not going to be fun to CC. stop letting this general peer pressure you into being a beretta da/sa cultist and get a G19 or a M&P 2
>>61976779>>61976823It's so funny to me that there are so many of these in great condition for cheap, the serial number range for bauers goes up to 200k. I really doubt they made that many guns but hell maybe the market is flooded with em
>>61980291How important is concealing for carry?Honestly, it really depends. Are you concealing into places you really shouldn't? If this is gun you're carrying concealed while running errands or have no criminal or professional ramifications (getting fired) for being discovered then it really doesn't matter. The grip is the most important part of the gun for concealing in my opinion, if you're carrying in the waist band then it's the part is going to be the part that sticks out of your waist line. I always pick the 92 compact over the fullsize when concealing to places I shouldn't.
>>61980383>get G19>almost the same barrel length as the 92 Compact/Centurion.
>>61980375Well, I can tell you that I got the Centurion RDO just recently. I have no intention of conceal carrying it. I prefer the bigger grip.
>>61980391>Heavier empty than a G19 is fully loadedDog fr now
>>61980391yeah and its a quarter-inch thicker. a statistic you will almost certainly scoff at because you're a brainlet.
>>61980416light weight baby >>61980427i will scoff at it by changing the goal posts that if you were to carry a G19 or 92 Compact, actually being concealed doesn't really matter that much. If your life depended on it being concealed you should select a much smaller gun.
>>61980439its not a matter of concealment, its a matter of "wow carrying this gun is incredibly irritating"
>>61980439The best.
>>61980447I will go put on my holster and conceal carry a full size 92 all day, I'm not leaving the house at all and I'm just going to play modded skyrim
>>61980439Not fr, dog, not fr. The polymer compact double stacks are about at the edge or even over it in terms of weight/size most people are willing to EDC. The Berettas are well outside that.>Compacts don't conceal anywaysThey actually do, with a good quality holster and an untucked non homo shirt a compact will disappear on an average size man in the appendix position. A full size will still print a bit no matter what you do for most folks. This is general consensus level stuff, although my personal experiences mirror it.Your contrarian hot take isn't all that hot, it's just following HGGs flavor of the month trend
>>61979894IDK, our seller says he loves to talk with Taxas guys, they're based. Guy might got PTSD from my California call list ;_;
>>61976978Yes, it probably would. I’d trust S&W more than most other 10mm manufacturers (FN, Nig Sauer, Spriиgfielд) and the M&P will certainly be more pleasant in the hand than a Glock. I was looking for a semiauto bear defense gun myself recently, and I eventually decided on pic related instead of 10mm altogether because it can handle .45 Super with little or no modification.
>>61980465If your life depended on it being concealed, either criminal issues or getting fired. A compact should not be your choice. Compacts do conceal, but at much more difficulty than a slim gun like subcompact or smaller 1911. If your choice is a fatter compact, how important is concealing to you? Anyone who has tried concealing a 43 or 48 or whatever those numbers mean vs a 19 will tell you the slimline guns conceal much easier. >Berettas are outside thatseveral people ITT carry 92s or PX4s. PX4s are thinner than the 92 by about 1/8 of an inch so if he cared about concealing he should look at. that over the 92. Slim grips on a 92 will make it 1.38 on the grip at it's thickest. PX4 grips are 1.20 and roughly the same as the G19. >They actually do, with a good quality holster and an untucked non homo shirt a compact will disappear on an average size man in the appendix position. A full size will still print a bit no matter what you do for most folks.If you use an enigma rig you can conceal a fullsize easier by sliding it further down in your pants. Barrel length becomes more of an issue but you hide the full length grip. He's new to carrying. He really should get a super small gun so he always has that to fall back on if he can't figure out a way to conceal a 92 compact or centurion.
>>61980529>several people ITT carry 92s or PX4s.yeah, they SAY they do.
>>61980539I literally do. I have a Wilson Combat 92 Brigadier in my pants right fucking now tabbed out of skyrim
>>61977755Px4 is hideous, and you annoying fags shitting up every thread shilling it makes me hate it even more. Berettafags love to shit on Glock dudes buying aftermarket parts, but then spend an extra $1500-2000 to buy some jew’s version of their shitty gun.
>>61978049Faggot
>>61978239Maybe you should have gotten a real gun instead of some gay boomer cope shit like that
>>61980539If you don't carry multiple Beretta PX4 Storms, 92FSs, and M9s, plus travel size bottle of water-based personal lubricant and Japanese porno mags (both 3DPD and anime), then you're ironically and unironically NGMI. What if the urge to masturbate overcomes you while you're simultaneously being physically assaulted by multiple assailanslts? What if you encounter a complete stranger who says nothing at all to you, but you feel compelled to show them your wank material? What if James from TFB brings you a special message about a hot new aftermarket upgrade from LTT for an out of production polymer gun from Italy? Yeah, that's what I thought kiddo. Think before you type next time.
What's the best pistol to wield akimbo? Like ambi slide stop, mag release, and I guess safety if the gun has it. Something you can actually use with only your left or right hand. This is a serious question.
>>61980588HK P30 V3
>>61976488CheckedColor case hardened .45 AARP 1911A1, would do it again in a heartbeat, will be buried with it if I don't have a male heir to pass it down to
>>61980588PX4 compact comes out of the box with ambi levers, the mag release you have to take out and reverse. some of the HKs I think.A guy I met on /a/ a while back had twin LTT 92 Elites which one of them he reversed the mag release, the slide release still wasn't ambi.
>>61980550Are you talking shit about Earnest Langdon’s (PBUH) 2,500 dollar px4 wherein most of the cost comes from the light and optic that he sells to his goyim with a massive upcharge? Are you implying that you can change a few springs in your gun without paying Earnest Langdon (PBUH) to do it? We don’t take kindly to that kind of talk in /elg/ (Earnest Langdon [PBUH] general)
>>61980584This. If you don't do this stuff YOU WILL get killed in the streets
>>61980584The Japanese porno is the secret ingredient. Without that you won't make it.
>>61980597>goes into detail about how his preferred brand doesn't meet the criteria>still shills itWhy even respond? The answer to every gun question isn't always a Beretta. Beretta drones need their own containment general.
>>61980385They really are a fantastic buy. I feel the reason so many are in good condition is that they spent their life in the bottom of a purse or tucked in a pocket with less than 100 rounds of usage. Before keltec's p32 and p3at, this (and the colt and jetfire) were the ideal tiny gun.
>>61980647I gave my input on things I have experience with, if all anons gave their input maybe the OP can come to a decision using the combined knowledge of all the replies.
>>61980647You vill buy ze beretta. You vill send it in to Ernest Langdon vith included tip money.
>>61980647>Beretta drones need their own containment generalALL drones need their own containment general, it just so happens that we have particularly obnoxious beretta dickriders in /hg/.
>>61980603I can’t even tell if this is sarcasm anymore.
>>61980671They’ve been a lot more uppity in the recent months. It’s like revolverfags, berettafags, 10mmfags, tokfags, etc., all take turns being loud obnoxious faggots.
>>61980717>revolverfagsI don’t mind revolverfags, they don’t pretend their revolver is better than an auto, they just happen to prefer revolvers. They also don’t typically own 8 of the same exact fucking gun.
>>61980717Gotta get with the times, Beretta is the only brand that matters.
>>61980732>they don’t pretend their revolver is better than an autolol, you've never been in a revolver thread or argued with the local twink
>>61980732>they don’t pretend their revolver is better than an autoSo you've never seen a revolver-fag touting the 642 and why it's unequivocally the best option for a concealed carry firearm and nothing else even remotely compares.
>>61980732You've obviously never encountered a revolverfag.
Think I finally found a look for glock that I like.
>>61980754>lol, you've never been in a revolver threadSo they stick to their own kind? Nice.>local twinkDoesn’t he post is 1903 99% of the time?
>>61980845>So they stick to their own kind? Nice.sometimes they come in here, but in the normal threads about CC it's like facebook caliber wars all over again.>local twinkhe used to be a regular of those threads and the milsurp threads until they kicked him out. he would verbatim argue that his .38 colt PP is the better than modern carry guns using the same arguments they make. he makes up all this weird shit about how .38 special buffalo bore out of his 4 inch is better than .357 out of a 2 inch, and therefore more powerful than 9mm, last thing I remembered was he said .38 special wadcutter was better than .45 ACP which is wrong in every way, even FMJ .45.
>>61980859JFC does he even know what wadcutters are for?
>>61980880he believes the "fuddlore" that they would cut through flesh because of the "sharp" edges it has while it tumbles. While there is maybe truth to that, it's going to be inferior to hollow points. his claim was that his .38 special wadcutters would penetrate farther than .45 ACP FMJ which is untrue by every metric https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61794980/#61798280I think he cites some 1920s test where the FBI said that .38 Special +P+ was more powerful than .45 ACP.
If I want to get into GSSF shooting picking up a cheap G17/G19/G22/G23 LEO trade in is my best bet right?
Why are we still pretending metal guns aren't inherently better than polymer guns?
>>61980936Nobody is pretending anything. Polymer is lighter and cheaper, so if you want a cheaper, lighter gun, then choose polymer. If you don’t, then get a steel/aluminum frame.
>>61980772It's always the poorfags with blown out surplus revolvers or tauruses that do this and shit up every revolver thread. You can tell they have a clear knowledge gap that's only explainable by low round counts and limited experience.
>>61980936Do you think the M&P 2.0 or Glock 19 would work better if the frame were all alloy or steel?
>>61980859He started as Police Positive twink who argued that .38 special wadcutters were the best choice for self-defense for a number of retarded reasons
>>61980911You can join the GSSF to get on the discount purchase program or just pick up a LEO trade in. It's highly unlikely a LEO trade in has the barrel shot out so at most you're probably looking at replacing springs if needed.
>>61980717More like people who enjoy guns live rent free in your mentally ill brain.
>>61981202They enjoy the wrong type of gun and are very vocal about it
>>61981202Feels like it's that one guy who made the revolver thread trying to start shit again
>>61981241You're welcome to make a 9mm strike fired polymer handgun for daily carry thread if you really need to be surrounded by affirmation.
>>61981253From reading the posts its either just the usual bait we've been getting or someone's really mindfucked by people with money.
There's a guy here who can do crazy work with a basic glock and there's people here with babby's first polymer striker gun still intimidated by some fat nerds with softcore porn mags that aren't even amazing shots.
>>61977026kek
>>61980717its important to remember that all it takes is one person to make a thread. the revolver propaganda team on /k/ is probably only like three people total, same with the beretta team.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I CANT HANDLE SMALL GROUPS OF PEOPLE ON SLOW BLUE BOARDS BEING ABLE TO DOMINATE CONVERSATIONS FOR PERIODS OF TIME AHHHHHHHHHH SAVE ME NIGGERMAN
>>61981029You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see three 1911s. You reach down, you pull each hammer back, one by one. The 1911s lay on their sides, baking in the hot sun, threatening to discharge, but they can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?
>>61981283It really be like it do, anon.>>61981333I'm scared, trips. What if I burn my hand on the hot metal? What if shot damages my ear drums? What if I made the wrong choice in this cosmic test?
>Revived Smith & Wesson third gen line>Heckler & Cock rotating barrel>Another unknown startup with a completely unique design a la Third Bay or Hudson>Glock innovating literally anything at allA man can dream.Well at least one of these came true, Atomitronx updated their website recently with a rotating barrel variant of their (his) Merc/Proton pistol, which is what the RIA 5.0 was derived from while Fred Craig worked at RIA. I guess he sold the design to RIA so maybe he can't make Merc/Protons with the 5.0's nose locking system anymore.It's hideous but I want one.
>>61981442Those 3 guns are skin jobs masquerading as 1911s. They’re polymer.
>>61981447Burt, which major manufacturer do you think is most innovative today? That gun looks cool though, like something out if an 80s scifi movie.>>61981454Oh my gosh, upon closer inspection you're right. How grotesque.
>>61981447I would take third generation Smiths coming back over anything else, hell, I don't want Glock to innovate, I want to be able to get a gen3 19s years down the line
>>61981447>It's hideousIt's kino.
>>61981504Laugo Arms
>>61981333You make these questions, Mr. Anon, or they write 'em down for you?
>>61981504Pff I don't know, is there even one? I mean small outfits like Atomitronx and Biofire can actually do whatever they want and come up with crazy new ways to solve problems. Third Bay is another example but even in the case of that insane thing it's still just combining 100 year old ideas into a smaller package, and Biofire is using existing technology to re-do an idea that's been done before, and Atomitronx is now using rotating barrels (yawn) which are 120 years old. But in terms of stuff you can buy, is that stuff going to proliferate through the industry? I doubt it, so even those "innovations" aren't laudable beyond weirdos like me who love stuff like that.I can't think of any manufacturer doing anything even slightly innovative enough to be copied. They all just rehash the same things among one another and pander do the lowest common denominator (the reddit gunlet). The industry is almost completely done playing catch-up too, HK is kind of the only one left stuck in the past.The P365 is really the only thing that's come along to change the industry since reliable large capacity double stack single feed magazines in the 80s and red dots that can handle pistol slide recoil in the 2000s. And I'm sure people would argue even that since Kellgren had a similarly sized and capacity'd gun 2 decades earlier (albeit a crappy unpleasant one).It's kind of a depressing realization.
>>61981447>Glock innovating literally anything at allSuch as? Glock is the crab of the gun ecosystem—not only did they get it right the first time, making further changes mostly unnecessary, but they got it so right that every other gun company had to release their own version to keep up.
>Zero pistol RDS for 25 yards>5/6 shots are stacked on the bull for zero confirmation>Bring it back to 8 yards>All rounds are low right>Right handed shooterWhat the fuck am I doing? I don't have any issues like this with my Staccato or Glocks. Gun is an M&P 2.0 with ACRO P-2 mounted and medium backstrap installed.
how low right?
>>61981612It's expected for it to hit low at 8 yards on a 25 yard zero. Ballistics or some shit. If you zero for 8y it will hit high at 25.
>>619816108/8 b8 m8>>61981612How far right? Astigmatism displacing the dot? That is weird, they would be off vertically but horizontally they shouldn't.
>>61981627About an inch right. I understand height over bore at these distances.
>>61981612Unless you have a specific reason for zeroing at 25, you should probably be zeroing at 10 since it gives you a flatter trajectory out to 9mm's realistic limits
>>61981638fuck you
>>61981610>What is decarcinization?
>>61981535> Seen people post 3rd gen here, want one bad myself > Looking around just missed out on a bunch It sucks, just have to keep an eye out now
>>61981638The specific reason is I like shooting B8s at 25. Not to mention I already know holds for a 25 yard zero.
>>61981610The only thing evolving is intelligence and sociability from what we can observe as Humans have preferred those traits in animals and have had enough time to begin influencing the global population of other intelligent animals at large. Crabs are not as ubiquitous as the memes make.
>>61981612It’s normal for rounds to hit high at 25 if they’re dead on at 7 or 10. See pic, 8 vs 20 yards.
>>61981704I understand that. I'm more concerned about the windage shift. None of my other guns exhibit this.
>>61981636I don't know how to explain it but I have seen this exhibited in the opposite direction. I will zero perfectly at 25y, and then when I shoot at 100y my impacts are like 12" to the left (and low of course) and I have to hold right to make hits. I've always assumed it's my astigmatism playing tricks with where the dot actually is in 3D space. It's acting like a rifle if you were to fire it held at a 45 degree angle where the optic offset is not vertically aligned to the bore. But obviously that's not happening in pistols since we intuitively hold them consistently vertically.I have never seen this happen to me at distances closer than zero though. Is it possible the dot mechanism or optic body shifted after zeroing? I've no other explanation
>>61981745Were you shooting offhand with the same technique for both? If you were resting the gun for the 25 yard shots, you might be getting some parallax error when shooting offhand for the close ones.
>>61981598Waow, it looks like alien technology.>>61981605Damn, that's pretty much the state of most things in the world today though, especially with regards to technology and mechanical things. Sad.
>>61981747>Is it possible the dot mechanism or optic body shifted after zeroing?Shouldn't. Mounting surfaces and threaded holes were degreased, screws were degreased and Loctite 243 applied and torqued to FCD specs and given 42 hours to cure since install. It may be an acclimation issue. I notice when I shoot my Staccato P I don't have anywhere near as many issues with anticipation as I do with polymer framed guns. Trying to make a ~5 pound trigger break on a two pound gun sends some flags to my brain to brace for impact.
>>61981762>If you were resting the gun for the 25 yard shots, you might be getting some parallax error when shooting offhand for the close ones.I'm not 100% sure about that. I've zeroed multiple guns with benching them and have only ever had the typical height over bore differences.
>>61980385big Bauer isn't drop bafe
>>61981784P2 is shitting the bed anon. Come home to Ping-Ping.
I love how well packed AE Ammo shipments are
>>61980732Revolver fags aren't as but as Beretta dick riders but you're still wrong. having said that, I do miss model 10 anon. At least he had his own copy pasta.
>>61981790Well, it’s not about resting the gun per se, it’s about eye placement relative to the optic. If you zero the optic while it’s held out at arm’s length, you’re good, but I see a lot of guys zero their pistols off a sand bag or backpack with their eye right behind the gun like they’re shooting a rifle, and then they’re surprised their zero changes when they hold the gun two feet further from their eyes shooting offhand. You’ll also hear about guys experiencing this when they shoot Flux Raiders and the like. They’ll shoot it offhand like a pistol and have one zero, and then deploy the brace and shoot it off their shoulder like a carbine and have another zero.
>>61980787odg > fde and I'm an fde fan.
Using cardboard shims to firmly brace discordant product package sizes
>>61981849Ah, gotcha. I may just suck it up and change to a 10 yard zero next weekend and shoot it off hand.
>>61981858What is this schizo mess of ammo
>>61980787Eh. I tried one. Didn't like the grip angle. Went back to good ol Gaston
>>61981879I just hate the look of the oem glock frame enough that I refuse to use it.
>>61981861I wouldn’t do that if you can stand it. Just zero the gun at 25 off a bag with your arms outstretched as if you’re shooting offhand. Zeroing at 10 isn’t horrible, but you’re still gonna be about an inch and change high at 30-40 yards.
>>61981873Had to mix and match a little to meet the free shipping requirement lolLook at this cute little thing, never seen a 50rd 9mm box this small
>>61981879No one makes a Glock like Gaston
>>61981891I was excited by the Nomad frame, but the change to grip angle was too much for me to get used to, and I now believe that the additional "downward" bearing that a OE glock frame requires for sight picture actually aids in recoil control. Or something like that.
>>61981894Problem is that's how I zeroed. Pistol was bagged and arms pushed out how I normal shoot standing.
>>61981896Looks like a 22lr ammo box, neat. Packaging engineers are putting in solid work.
>>61981912Hmm, it might not be a zero issue, then, and you might be dragging those close range shots low and right due to something else in your shooting technique (unless it’s a really tight group, or those closer shots were off a bag too, in which case I got no idea).
>>61981910Is there a Gen 5 frame that is OEM but has the texture? black phoenix has oem but it's unmodified.
>>61981932Closer shots were off hand. Now all this said, this is the first time I've shot an M&P since probably 2016. I've been carrying and shooting my 2011 like crazy since January so it may be an acclimation thing and I'm fucking up my grip before the shot breaks.
>>61981942I really don't know but laser stippling has gotten pretty inexpensive IMO and looks to be a good option if grip texture is the issue. I just ordered one of these. Supposedly works with Safariland buckets. I'm excited. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akxuxaWyrts
>>61981896K-Kawaii (⁄ ⁄•⁄ω⁄•⁄ ⁄)
>bob vogel hunts foxes at night with a Glock and a WML>also posts on instagram about his liaisons with Colombian whoressimply bizarre dude
>>619818961000 rounds in the small box case is about the same size if not smaller than the old 50 rounds 500 round case
>>61982040>Little chicken killer driving homeIs his punctuation bad, or can that fox fucking drive?
>>61982254they’re pretty smart creatures
Speaking of, what are some other options for a compact WML aside from the TLR-7 and its variants? Been looking around, but I'm not very familiar.
>>61982049Cool! And I thought Magtech boxes were small lolAlso I shoulda known it was Winchester, they must make all of Browning's ammo. They definitely make the Browning .22 that blew up in my Ounce, and that box design is too similar to be cohencidence
Beretta independence sale is live
>>61982293yeah it was a thing winchester started about a year ago, law enforcement are getting their ammo in that small box. it halves the size of the case (while doubling the weight). my UPS driver must hate me since it's like a 25-30 degree incline if he hand trucks the ammo up my drive way because I'm buying 4000 rounds a month.last time they just left it at the bottom visible to the fucking street
>>61982295any other manufacturers doin one that you know of?
>>61982295https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/beretta-wingbeat-insulator-jacket-GU434T2028?sel=0715is on sale, I believe there is another discount code you can stack on >>61982341beretta is the only one that matters.dude, they all are going to have a sale. Beretta is just earlier than others and also sells more things other than guns than other companies.
>>61976488Checked. My first was a Bersa Thunder. It was actually my first gun in general. Still have it and Infact took it out today. A mystery meat family was in the lane next to me and the Dad kept yelling at his kids because they were scared of flying brass and recoil
>>61982341PSA, MGW, PA that I know of so far. Haven't been paying too close attention but those are the one's I've seen. Just figured Beretta was the most interesting for this general
>>61976756>$600 per year>TexasLet me guess, you go to Range USA too?
>>61982290Fenix GL06. No idea if it’s any good or not. I have a fenix flashlight that I have had for a long time and it holds up well.
>>61982295Thank youuuuuuu sir I'm going to give the .22 kit another try and 40% off is the ticket. For some reason' it's giving me 44% off lolwut>>61982311Damn bro are you stocking up or are you the guy with several gaymur 2011s?
>>61982295Schizobros how do we cope...
>>61982405No, I've never been. The price I quoted is for a local place. Let me guess, your local place is cheaper so think that makes you smarter than me?
>>61982426>Damn bro are you stocking up or are you the guy with several gaymur 2011s?need to keep the PX4s fed
>>61982438lol no I’m not saying I’m smarter it’s just that I pay $600 a year for my Range USA membership and thought you had one as well
>>61982373>pistol: made in Italy>clothing: manufactured in China>sex life: printed in JapanBeen looking at their cheap petrochemical clothes made in China for a while now, but still not seeing where they list their Japanese underwear magazines. Link?
>>61982474That jacket is actually from Vietnam and the pistol in the picture was made in Tennessee
>>61982471Damn, so that's the going rate for more than 1 range? Crazy. For $600 at the local place you get unlimited time on the range for 1 year. Is that the same for Range USA? Are there any member perks?
>>61982474>>sex life: printed in Japan
>>61982485>>61982488>he doesn't deny that point
>>61982485The membership I pay gives 5% discount on ammo, unlimited range time, free rentals, and a free guest
>>61982426That guy that makes the reddit plates also makes a reddit ejector for the 22 kit that apparently solves some issues
>>61982471I pay 29.99 a month for range USA since one of my days off is a weekday
>>61977141if you don't have other options, sure, but it's massive and heavy and there are compacts that have the same capacity as a Beretta 92.
>>61982515That is a lot more than I would get for $600 at my local.
>>61982373Would it kill you to get Beretta luggage or Beretta shooting glasses or a Beretta Vertical Bifold Wallet? I thought you were a team player.
>>61982426sorry but you should have sent it to ernberg
>>61982691I use Beretta shooting glasses
>>61977142legit collect
>>61977142I did not expect Gen1s to be popular. I'm proud of this community.
>>61982743>posting a sig in Earnberg Langstein general
>>61982743bro
>>61982743i wouldn't trust one of these not to blow my cock off, but i can see it being an entertaining beater gunhow do you like it, anon? i fingerfucked one and liked how fat the grip was if nothing else
>>61982695Ernestein Langberg doesn't know about .22s
>>61982881Im a big fan of the grip. I bought it when it came out before all the news of it breaking apart but ive shot prob 1k rounds from it so far with no issues. Always take it apart and deep clean after use of course so idk no problems here
Pretty in Primer, Gorgeous in GoldIf I had done this earlier in the day it might've been possible to get decent lighting, but it doesn't matter really, the try-hard photos come when it's done. I have gone overboard with the sights, not gonna lie, should be entertaining but they're going to take longer than the rest of the project combined.
>>61982954beautifulwhat's your plan for the sights?
>>61982954Soonhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZwJMhRBq4XM
Whats your guys’ shiiting gat
should i even get an optic for my glock if i have an astigmatism
>>61983081P365XL
>>61983099Yeah. Astigmatisms are annoying, but they’re not deal breakers or anything. It just means the little red dot becomes a little red smudge.
>>61982922>>61982783Is it Earnberg Langstein or Ernstein Langberg? We need to settle this matter.
>>61983126Ernest Langdonstein
>>61981691He's referring to things evolving in to the shape of a crab, which has happened more times in Earth's history than anyone can count and will continue to happen long after we're all dead.
>>61983099Certainly if you have never tried one. Unless your ligmatism is REALLY bad you can still use optics. There are rare days when I just can't continue shooting because there are so many dots and swooshes and I can't tell what's real anymore
any kahr enjoyers in the streets?i love this little piece of shit.
>>61983256I mean, it's a piece of shit, and not even a unique piece of shit. So no.
To SP-01 or not to SP-01?
>>61983269ehh it's a piece of shit in the same way McDonald's is terrible for you, but can still be enjoyed. it has run flawlessly for me once i broke in the hilariously powerful recoil spring that could double as a coil in my truck's suspension
>>61983297Yeah I guess if you enjoy it that's enough. I just have nothing drawing me to one. There are more iconic pieces of shit out there like a hi point that would be funny to post and shoot. The two tone does look nice though.
Can anyone recommend any company that does precut slides for glock 34 gen 5? Like lighting cuts and serrations.Looking for one for competition shooting
>>61983271I love mine
>>61983081I got both hands gripping the walls for max torque. I don’t have time to hold a gun
>>61983314yeah, love the way it looks. wouldnt imply they're a serious option out of anything other than aesthetic appeal. the internals and machined surfaces are surprisingly beautiful. shoots pretty alright for what it is, helps you can get four fingers on it
>>61983341Zev makes good slides, but they cost a bajillion dollars. Why not just use your OEM one?
>>61983436I dont even own one. Looking to slap one together with a lower and upper.Just looking for some optimal cuts and modifications so I dont have to buy one and send it off for that to be done.
>>61983126I like Ernstein Langberg.
>>61982954Aaaand some dumb bitch knocked it off the table into the rocks. Back into the solvent bath. $7 worth of gold paint wasted, devastating.>>61983017Something terrible.
>>61983367mgmi
>>61983503Dumb bitch, stupid bitch!
>>61983158>astigmatism I use a green chevron exactly for that reason
>>61983158This is the worst astigmatism representation I've sever seen. Is yours this bad?
>>61983631It varies. On some days it's worse, on some days I don't even need glasses to shoot with red dots. That's a middle of the road representation for me which at least has one general aiming blob. The biggest problem for me is the variability, because it changes zero depending on my eyes on a given day. If there's one dot is, it where it was last time I shot? If there are two dots, which one is real? Or three dots with aberrations...
>>61983696Have you tried using a chevron or a reticle that has a ring around the dot? If so, does it help at all?
>>61983696Does it matter what make/model the dot is?
>>61983801Yes. Different dots bloom differently, lens design, lens coating, maybe even the emitter itself may change it. I fine the Romeo Compact X blooms the least compared to the RMR, RMR HD, SRO, 507C, 507Comp, 509T ACSS, 507C ACSS, Aimpoint P2, and the EPS,
>>61983779Yeah, and yes but with caveats.I have multiple Holosuns with dot+ring reticles and I always turn the rings off because it just adds more clutter. Every segment of the ring fragments like the central dot does, so it's just an absolute shotgun blast of an incomprehensible mess. Turning down the brightness to just barely usable is also very helpful with all powered dots.I have a few dual-illuminated RMRs including one with a green chevron and I find them very usable when shooting from shade (which my primary range is). Shade brings down the relative brightness which is excellent for my eyes and the dual-illuminated reticles are very large (7.5 MOA minimum compared to 2 MOA for Holosun dots) and that tames the problem too. The problem with dual-illums is they have a VERY strong notch filter and the lenses are horrible so that occludes or distorts the target quite a bit for me, even more so when the lenses are blasted with silencer jizz, and that distortion makes it more difficult to see the target and actually aim at something. Because of that the dual-illums are not a net gain over powered dots for me, but I recognize the benefits.>>61983801Not really. Some people say certain colors or brands are better, I've never experienced that at all across dozens of red dots but I've stopped challenging such assertions. The problem is contrast, for me at least. The more contrast the worse it is, and all dots from all makers (other than dual-illuminated RMRs) are capable of blasting contrast far beyond usable levels. Secondarily reticle size is a problem for me, larger reticles seem to exhibit less distortion and are less distracting. So in that way some manufacturers limit the dot sizes that are available. I'm really not sure how people benefit from different manufacturers making basically the same products.This is all personal experience with my rekt eyes, I understand people's experiences differ.
>>61983271Few places have had the shadow 2 for around 800 recently
>>61983947>the non-dropsafe gun
>>61983942Ah, I see I see. Have you tried the RSO or 507 Comp? Does the big wondow help more than the dual-illum RMR?
>>61981627>they would be off vertically but horizontally they shouldn't.Wouldn't some of the vertical difference in angle and height over bore between the dot and trajectory become horizontal if the gun isn't held vertically?
>>61983960No but I have a Swampfox Justice which is their big-window unit (it's nowhere near as big as the Comp or SRO lol). Doesn't make a difference to the dot or astigmatism if that's what you're asking, it just gives you more leeway for poor presentation. But Swampfox lenses are noticeably clearer and less distorted than Holosun and Trijewcon and that makes a difference albeit small>>61983987Ya I mention that here >>61981747 but our monkey brains would notice if the pistol was even slightly off it's rotational Y axis and certainly anon is not holding it at such an extreme angle, like 45 degrees, as to produce those results
>>61984000Oh whoops; an inch does seem a bit extreme. Maybe there's something going on with the target size being different relative to his eye at different distances or something?
>>61980385I think normies just haven't figured out that the Bauer exists yet. Most guntubers don't do much in the way of 'mousegun' videos, most gun owners aren't interested in old .25s, and Bauer isn't a household name in firearms manufacturing. I've even mentioned having a little '.25 Bauer' and they seemed to be under the impression that it was just some cast potmetal 'ring of fire' pistol.
>>61982295Where do you find it? I'm not too versed in this stuff
>>61984122
>>61984122www.beretta.com
30 bux for a pencil case? Is Pedro Beretta serious?
>>61984192Pencils are for people who make mistakes—mistakes like paying 30 USD dollars for a pencil case with a gun company's logo on it
>>61984192Ignore everything on their site that isn't gun parts. You can get better clothes and jackets for cheaper.
When this thread retires, there is another to be found here:>>61984202>>61984202>>61984202
>>61982426wtf why don't I get 44%?
>>61984176>no httpsSus af. I have no idea how to find the webstores for all these major brands like 'Retta and H and K. Idk how millennials managed to navigate the web without direct links in their apps. Shits scary yo fr.
>>61978274Anyone
>>61984884A Makarov PM grip screw, anon. You won't find one at the hardware store, but you will online.
