>author personally attacks the reader
>>24953681I have settled into my obscurity and my peaceful little sinecure, thank you very much. I sometimes draft my obituary, a theoretical curiosity. "He was an only child, never married, and had no children", that sort of thing. The sort of person condemned to Dante's antechamber or Circle 1 or whatever it was, the somewhat unpleasant place for those who are so insignificant, cowardly and obscure that they don't register on anyone's radar outside of god and the immediate family. Why does Dante bother about them at all? Because he has inherited the (partially) silly tradition of the ancients, who had a kind of effeminite obsession with fame.In a way, the obsession with fame is feminine, but there is a logic to it. For the ancients in particular, they had to gain some sort of reputation in order to secure a baseline social standing. Still, I find their obsession with fame ridiculous.
>>24953681is it dosto or tolstoy?
>>24953681any books that attack esl's like me?
>>24954254Neither. This is from Oblomov.
>>24953681Being really into Russian /lit/ is such a tell. I know everything I need to know about an anon who is. Intellectually insecure, physically insecure, performative, he choses what goes on his shelf with the exact same thought process a woman choses her next pair of jeans. I speak the truth when saying an off his meds /x/tard has a more valuable soul and mind than a russian /lit/ fag when he's reading UFO and wendigo case reports. At least his (credulous) passion for American folklore is genuine and comes from within himself.I really do find the whole business and many og you disgusting. Weakness of soul of this sort IS disgusting, repulsive.
I'm looking for clever illustrations of what a leftist utopia/dystopia could look like, with special attention to the rough edges. It would probably be scifi.I'm not asking for chudslop written by poltards and their likes, nor a time-wasting apologetic wet dream, but rather a sincere exploration of the good and bad sides.For example, "The Compass Rose" by Le Guin showed interesting ideas about what an anarchist society could look like, sad things included.
https://www.marxists.org/subject/utopian/index.htmhas fiction and theory
>>24953192>>24953871let me guess, communist russia and china aren't true leftist utopias/ dystopias? yawn
Read Ernst Bloch
The Iron Heel by Jack London.
I Burn Paris - Jasenski
>open /lit/>see same tired “jbp bad” thread for the 900th time>people who’ve never read a page of his work confidently explaining what he “really believes”>rightoids hate him because he doesn't spend all day obsessing about jews>leftists hate him because he knows stalin was a mass murderer and told them to stop buying funko pops o algoNot even a huge Peterson fan, but it’s wild how triggered people get over a guy telling lost young men to clean their room and take responsibility for their lives. He’s a clinical psychologist with decades of practice and a pretty standard background in personality research, yet somehow he’s treated like some kind of comic book supervillain.The funniest part is how critics always quote-mine one sentence from a 3-hour lecture, strip all context, and then act shocked when normal people don’t buy the narrative. God forbid someone acknowledges biology and culture at the same time, or says meaning comes from responsibility instead of endless irony and doomscrolling.Anyway, cue the NPC replies.
>>24954142Reread my post because we're in agreement
>>24952996>see same tired “jbp bad” thread for the 900th time>doesn't filterThats a You problem OP.
>>24952996I personally don't seethe about him, but I don't take him seriously. He does useful things inasmuch he, as you said, gets men to clean their room and do something with their lives: it's better they get it from him, than don't get it and proceed to wallow in self-pity - wallowing in self-pity only would lead them to kill themselves, kill a few other people and then themselves, or do nothing and remain a drain on their parents' lives forever. Helping guys avoid that fate is good work, and Peterson deserves credit for that, which I think he rarely gets.What I think he does not deserve any credit for are his attempts at political discourse. The debate with Zizek was an embarrassing joke. His rambling about religion is impossible to follow, and him antagonising progressives with polemics is a waste of energy.I think he should just do the outreach part and spread the word on helping sad guys fix their lives. It's the one thing he does that is constructive and he's seemingly good at it.
>>24954230I enjoy a lot of his writings on religion, however he gets into a mess whenever he communicates online because he can't quite adapt to the modern flow of disposable communication, since he's very much in the old style of besweatered intellectuals sipping wine in a warm room and rambling over not yet fully-formed ideas, where it's ok to throw something out and then flip it over to inspect its underside for truth. Online, that doesn't work, and just leads to him getting caught in bumbling circles of shitposting and confusion. Which is not to say that his criticisms of online discourse are without merit either, but there's still a very obvious "game" he's not getting, and that neutralizes the discussion (which isn't to defend the fact that online discourse is immutably shitholistic in nature, either).I can't speak about his "debate" with Zizek since I have moderately less interest in filmed rhetorical popularity battles, but in print Peterson is by far one of the most articulate communicators about the resentment-based origins and logical and emotional flaws of marxist ideology and the pathologies of collectivism in general that I've ever read. He has a very strong gift for coalescing ideas that were abstractly self-evident into tangible and succinct thoughts that aren't purely axiomatic.
>>24954281> filmed rhetorical popularity battlesI'd respect him most if he did not participate in debates at all, yes. But if you do, might as well try and represent your position clearly and thoughtfully. That's kind of the whole point. I don't think fighting existential battles with people brings out the best in him. If he'd become good at the "game" of shitposting, it'd be just like that. None of this part of his convictions is constructive, and the vitriol is at best useless.
Desperately reconcile with your irredeemable faith, sheep.
>>24951759How do you think? Arrogance knows no boundaries.
Atheism won. Atheism continues to increase faster than any religion.
>>24953128>The John Lennox discussionWas super comfy. I think it's more interesting when he's just listening and asking questions, because the smart people generally have better insights than he does.
>>24953846>whenThe US stands to gain more from Israel than from giving neetbuxx to people like you
>>24948329>my fantastical universe origin story is better than yours Sure thing faggot
What does /lit/ think of Hawthorne? Most Americans have either never heard of him or hate him because they were assigned 'The Scarlet Letter' in high school and Amerikkka is an insane asylum, and its public schools are like a suicide ward. But Poe said that "we look upon [Hawthorne] as one of the few men of indisputable genius to whom our country has as yet given birth." And America's second greatest writer, Melville, was deeply respectful of Hawthorne. What does /lit/ say? Is he a great writer, or just great for an American?
>>24954121The Scatlet Letter was godawful. Cuckshit from a proto-numale defending sluttery. And full of autistic mindnumbing descriptions of scenery. Fuck him.
>>24954233My taste at the moment happens to reject those kinds of characters and stories but I’ll never deny the beauty of his prose. Dude could write.
>>24954150What do you mean by that desu? That Hawthorne was too "religious" to the point it hindered most of his artistic capabilities in his writings, your comment on him intrigued me about him perhaps I should read one his books to understand the sentiment behind your comment better.
>>24954247Oh brother
>the novel tells the story of Hester Prynne, who conceives a daughter with a man to whom she is not married and then struggles to lead a new life of repentance and dignity. As punishment, she must wear a scarlet letter 'A' (for "adultery"). Oh man those poor women :,( They're just so heckin wholesome and innocent but through no fault of their own life conspires to punish themWomen are always just trying to live wholesome lives of repentance and dignity, and wicked men are branding them or turning them into rape slaves (The Handmaid's Tale) or forced to bury their unchristened bastard children who die in their arms (Tess of the d'Urbervilles).OH WHAT INDIGNITY!Thank goodness that so many generations of high Anglos have picked up the pen to write in their defense. Not like that ridiculous pervert Flaubert. As if a women would ever willingly commit adultery without being forced to by her own innocent naivety, or from circumstances of poverty, or by force, or by a cruel and oppressive society that is simply too rigid and judgmental to understand the pure angelic dignity of women.
>Caesar tells of how they mocked the "pygmy Romans" and adds that the whole population of Gaul was disdainful of the smaller stature of the Italian Legionaires.
>>24954245People that say that hatred of manlets is a modern phenomena have not studied history, it has always been like this.
>>24954245And yet the same pygmy Romans killed a million lankoid gauls and enslaved another million lol
>>24954274manlet cope
What books should I read in public to attract women?
I read jane austin on the train, but with the dust jacket from this
>>24953260>shoe dogBro I’m like an entrepreneur I got dat dog in me frfr
>>24953426Usually I don't like Moslems doing fatwas and all of their evil, but that woman, even, knows she's asking for it.
>>24954062>doesn't even know what part of his post was blackftr I don't agree with the other anon but come on
>>24953260Only fat, ugly women read books
This book changed my life for the better
>>24954147if you bore or tire of cunnilingus you are straight up a lowtest faggot
>>24951000Not an argument >>24950869The truth hurts
>>24952040>A real manYawn
>>24953848They’re women, what do you think?
>>24954242Enjoy your throat cancer, fag
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Some options I would like to add:- Petersburg by Andrei Bely- I, Claudius and Claudius the God by Robert Graves- Julian by Gore Vidal
>>24951578Please add:Kafka–The Complete StoriesMcCarthy–The Passenger, Stella MarisC.S. Peirce–The Essential Peirce, Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 (Indiana University Pr.)Also, Hadji Murat is misspelt (Madji Murat), and The Stormlight Archives and The Way of Kings are listed seperately.
>Anonymous—The Holy Biblenice try satan
>>24954070>>24954118>>24954232Added>Also, Hadji Murat is misspelt (Madji Murat), and The Stormlight Archives and The Way of Kings are listed seperately.Thanks for the catch.
>>24953423Fair enough, that's a good reason.
Are similar, on the one hand, analytical error or synthesis and on the other, the error between the conclusions of a pair of reasonings that contain equivocity, or especially, that contain a false univocity. The fragmentation of reality into several particular “possible worlds” linked to each other from the outside, under the pretense of universality, is like starting from a whole and its parts, then enlarging the whole to contain itself when a part exceeds it, whereas the whole disintegrates at every moment when it is no longer itself. Aesthetically, what is lost is everything that is not the represented formalization. Ethically, it is aesthetics and in metaphysics, everything is lost.Possessing an absolute Spirit would allow analytical truth. But for us, the seduction of the analytic will remain similar to that of the religious, the latter still being the more desirable. — Even if one admits mathematics a priori, concepts need a posteriori object in order to be true - objects that are contingent to the point of being absolutely fortuitous - for is indeterminate what is possible false. Analytics have lost on their own ground.
Good histories of secret societies or social movements?
What social movements
>>24953963(1999) The Biggest Secret: The Book That Will Change the World
sansa editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24922194
Sex with Visenya
>>24949705Aenys I whose ability to have sex and make kids caused Maegor seetheJaehaerys I who bested Gaegor and sired 13 children.
>>24953758How would you imagine it would be?
>>24954106>Aenys I whose ability to have sex and make kids caused Maegor seethe>literally all his children were Velaryon bastards>Jaehaerys I who bested Gaegor and sired 13 children.>sat and cried in hiding while Maegor was saving the realm>couldn't keep his bitch spawn in check>absolutely bitchmade by his wife>trusted tower niggers directly setting up the dance of the dragons
>>24954237> literally all his children were [headcanon]> sat and cried in hiding while Maegor was saving the realmEscape from Maegor at 10 years old only to literally do what Maegor couldn't with the might of Balerion before he killed himself due to his own impotence. Also created the longest and greatest period of peace of the Targaryen dynasty of Maegor's chimpout, including pacifying the Faith. Maegor was impotent in both his rule and his manhood.
On the genealogy of morals - the scarpitti/etc translation says this which is fucking GAY. I want to read in a similar structure to the original with his schizo newly created words not this gay "errmmm we made it accessible and made it flow better sweetie" bullshit.Is there a REAL translation you could recommend?
>>24954188they are both jewish so no
>>24954162Just go with Kaufman
I read Common for Zarathustra and liked it well enough. I hear Ludovici is also good. The important thing is that neither has infamously made efforts to retcon Nietzsche into a modern-friendly ideology, like Kaufmann.
Take the "in the original" pill. You will always be cucked when choosing to read what is essentially fanfiction.
>>24954201neetche said the jews are the master race though
>I don't have enough rice to eat therefore the physical world is both evil+unfixable and we should sit around in a circle pseudo-lobotomizing ourselves during every waking moment o algo.
>>24952656Or maybe like get off your ass and grow your own rice instead of being a beggar.
>>24954180Being health minded is anti-Buddhist and worldly-pilled.
>>24954211>>24952656The Buddha and his followers generally belonged to the upper classes so not having rice to eat wasn't their motivation for seeking enlightenment.As to why they don't grow their own rice, that would make them self-sufficient, which would deprive the community of the opportunity to earn good karma by supporting them on a daily basis. In Buddhist culture, supporting the monks is a privilege.
>>24954238>In Buddhist culture, supporting the monks is a privilege.Truly a slave religion
>>24954238>actually they don't support themselves and beg to help YOUYeah bro totally makes sense that's not definitely just a super convenient excuse to do nothing
Tolstoy's forgotten 3rd novel. Why does no one talk about it? It's kind of like his version of Crime and Punishment with a similar story about prison, crime and prostitution. It's heavy-handed yeah but very good.
