I've noticed that a lot of sophist philosophizing is based around this concept of "nonexistence". But it seems obvious that "nonexistence" just isn't a real thing right?How can something exist that by its own definition does not exist? It's just a nonsense idea made up of circular reasoning. There cannot exist a thing that doesn't exist. Everything that exists exists and there is nothing else. Existence by definition is an all encompassing concept. You can't logically accept that things exist and then turn around and say there are things that don't.And logically the concept of nonexistence is already nonsensical but if you believe in determinism the idea really just gets defeated many times over.
>>24950487>There's nothing that doesn't existRetarded frogposter.
>read a book>it's good>read it again>it's even goodername even one time this has happened
>>24943875VERE ARE ZE BOOKS, LEBOVSKI??!?!!?!
>be french canadian hick>have incredible passion for auto racing and mechanics>have no money, have to steal tools, have to live in an RV with your family>somehow work your way from racing snowmobiles to racing single seaters and get noticed for beating a former F1 champion >get the most prestigious seat in auto racing>almost become world champion but come up just short>stay loyal to the most romantic team in auto racing during their worst era and put up some of the most legendary drives of all time in subpar equipment>be the only everyman in a sport full of rich dicks>finally get a car that can win you the championship >get betrayed by your team>die in a horrible accident The book writes itself. I cry every time.
>>24943875>any Dostoevsky book>Laurus
>>24943875If you liked Ulysses at Stephen's age, you should read it again at Bloom's age.
>>24943888>>24943936>>24943959/lit/ on a heater
Redpill me on Dr. William Pierce. Are his works worth reading?
>>24948069pierces self insert character has seggz with a slut whomst'd've somehow joined a terrorist org. this contradicts what was known to george orwell about female nature, but pierce is a faggot so he doesnt know that. naturally, pierces self insert character of the slut use contraceptives. contraception had been illegal shortly prior to this obscenity being published, and while young men today dont know that, pierce surely did. pierces vision for the future was EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE NOW BUT WITH LESS BROWN PEOPLE
>>24941203daily reminder that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all white nations and the true greeks and scots are proud to have been His first converts
>>24945217hey mahometan does erhabi have a word for a man doing sex acts with a fertile woman that are intented not to result in pregnancy? like not the woman preventing pregnancy but the man helping her to prevent pregnancy but also sort of pretending to try to get her pregnant at the same time
>>24949104What.....go ask a scholar or sheikh. Come Join Islam Brother
>>24948069Oh hey, that post was me.>personally, i find it telling that in pierce's ideal world, two whole continents are rendered uninhabitableIIRC he had to basically write the last quarter or third of the book in quite a rush. Deadlines for a magazine or something like that.> i was told this was the work that radicalized timothy mcveigh.McVeigh came back with some anti-fed baggage from the Gulf War (among other things, he had personally witnessed the Highway of Death) and then was fully radicalized by the events of Waco and Ruby Ridge and had no real connection to white nationalism/white separatism/neo-nazism/etc. He had some association with the fringe right but mostly the anti-government flavor, though there were plenty of racialist armed groupd in that space as well. Pretty much all of those organizations went tits-up in the 90s when the FBI to start paying more attention to them, but sadly I have never found a decent treatment of this interesting and uniquely American cultural phenomenon.Ultimately my two cents, having looked into this quite a bit in the past, is mostly that he viewed the book similarly to how I outlined it - as a list of suggestions for effective acts of terrorism against the federal government, and that he picked the biggest one he thought he could manage. The connection and inspiration is undeniable but despite plenty of looking I've been unable to turn up any evidence that he associated in any significant way with racialist or "hate" groups.>i doubt it. it's just not good.As literature? It's adolescent at best. In a broader context, I find it fascinating.
>evil cannot *uurp* create*plagiarizes Wagner's Ring Cycle*
>>24950423>>24950423>he made a pile of autism flavoured crapThat accusation fits your mother better than it does Tolkien.
>>24950410>it's literary conquest and he was the victor.Among plebs...
>>24950427>he
>>24950420And you're putting words in my mouth like a debate club twerp.Since you're obviously a teenager, let me educate you like one: Tolkien studied at Oxford in the early 1900s. He was educated in the classics. This is at a time when academia was obsessive about the greek classics, and you were barely even considered educated unless you could read scripture in latin and read Plato in greek. Teaching people greek in particular was core to any literary education back then. It's important in some academic circles even now.It is virtually 100% certain that Tolkien has read The Republic, and not only that, he was probably tested on it. If he was literally fucking tested on that book, there is no way in hell he was not aware of the Ring of Gyges. It's *POSSIBLE* that Tolkien was inspired by Wagner, but it's *GUARANTEED* that he was inspired by Plato.This is all obvious information unless you're completely historically illiterate, which you obviously are.And yes, this is relevant to whether or not he was influenced by Wagner. Even if he did read Wagner, it would have been after The Republic, for sure. And even if he was influenced by Wagner, it would have been later, perhaps it might have inspired him to give the ring a more fundamentally evil nature in The Lord of the Rings (Where it's more similar to the ring cycle.) as opposed to The Hobbit, where the ring is a much clearer reference to the Ring of Gyges.A TLDR for you because your reading stamina is likely stunted: Tolkien definitely read The Republic, yet it's only probable that he's read Wagner. This matters to the topic, unless you're a retard.
>>24950327erm acktuallee I’m a fan of the sagas and never read Tolkien, but Tolkien has clearly read the Norse version of the story since he stole the names Gandalf and Gimle from the Poetic Edda, which includes the Sigurd version of the story within it as well, so he’s obviously influenced by it ya little nerdling sperg
Do Tolkiendrones realize that fantasy existed before Lord of the Rings and that it suffered greatly from Big Fat Fantasy and other sloppy derivatives that grew like viruses from Tolkien's wen? https://voca.ro/1Rwc7lMX0hfT
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>>24949835You thought that was clever, didn't you? You unwashed manbaby.
>>24939820I'm writing a “Futuristic existential dystopian meta-epic with elements of philosophical science fiction, apocalyptic fiction, post-apocalyptic societal reconstruction, spacefaring coming-of-age, and speculative political thriller". Y'all need to stop reading genreslop and blaming other people when it's boring and derivative lol
Tolkien didn't fucking invent European folklore. Elves, dwarves, and magic rings have been part of our heritage forever. Tolkien was a remixer, just like every artist.People copy Tolkien because he was big. It's true he mollycoddles readers, and the more retarded factions of the right idolise him because he presents a cheap and fake nostalgia of a world before things like ethics and relations got complex. But subversion of something flawed isn't automatically good just because it's a subversion, same for originality. Good art that moves on from Tolkien will complexify the message, making it more true, while leaving what was already true in it.
>>24949708>christian author being better at creating things>the thing in qustion being genreslop for manchildrenKek
The libretto is considered great poetry and drama of itself, accounted a masterpiece by manyLast week was Das Rheingold which covered the forging of the ring of power, its curse, and the jealousy and death that follows after the lust for itThis week is Die WalküreLink to discord server if you want to keep track of threadshttps://discord.gg/XhFGx57VKm
>>24950331Apparently >>24950336I use a streaming service. Most will give you a free trial. Metropolitan Opera has the most traditional production but there are a lot of options. YouTube also has several productions The work can be enjoyed pretty well by listening while reading the libretto, especially since the selection of audio recordings is much wider than visual recordings so you have a lot of latitude for personal taste
>>24950211What is the best way of experiencing The Ring cycle outside of seeing the opera live (while on significant mounts of MM)
>>24950211>muh discorddiscuss here or fuck off
What happened to Wagneranon? I liked his massive posts quoting an analysis on the Ring Cycle.
It's really weird that I was googling Der Ring des Niebelungen like half an hour before I saw this thread, which had already been up for hours. I had not scrolled through the catalog and therefore had not subconsciously picked up the idea. I was in another thread, someone asked about something related to damming, and I wanted to google what Götterdämmerung means. Then I read on about Der Ring des Niebelungen, and I actually got the idea to try to read the libretto. Then I go into the /lit/ catalog shortly after and this thread is there. I wonder though if OP was inspired by my posting of Wilhelm Tell and Lieder in this thread:>>24905503
Whats the deal with shakespeare "intellectuals" trying to convince everyone every single line in every single play is actually a completely retarded sexual based pun, is this some kind of psyop?
>>24950185Theatre was literally popular entertainment attended en masse by the plebeians my dear friend. It's equivalent to gladiator shows in classical Rome, the definition of bread and circuses.
that ain't nothing compared to the restoration era playsI recently read about a play whose entire plot was about a guy who wanted to cuckold as many men as possible by pretending he had EDSadly the killjoy Victorian neo-Puritans tried to brush it all under the rug
yeah people were more serious back thencomedy was not a thing and there were no perverts
>>24949967>>24949985>>24950401
>>24949933not every line but about 60% of it, as we are always taught, the poor sat closest to the stage, , they are rowdy and they like base humor so many lines must be dropped for them, this is known, it is not some conspiracy against you, sorry
Been thinking about making a story about a pred catching duo (male and female) who lure them into their home and kill them. I have almost everything planned, so much so that I could probably do it myself if I had a petite woman
>>24950382FUCK all the good ideas are taken
>>24950367I have literally never written a story before. The last book I read was in highschool, if you don't count the OPM manga. I was considering this would be a short story, where they would eventually get caught because real justice > vigilantism and all that. What are some flaws you see in the plan? This plan is something I've been thinking about for a long time (except the disposing of the body)
>>24950393that's the real reason post-modernist literature exists. you can add a bunch of whacky techniques and subplots and make your story-telling seem original
>>24950397These aren't problems with storytelling or writing, they're logical problems resulting from lack of research and foresight. There's a lot of ways for poisoning someone to go wrong, and if and when it does, it's going to go very wrong. Relying on lemonade as the only delivery method is a horrible idea. Not everyone will trust you, not everyone is going to want lemonade, not everyone will finish it. They would need something highly toxic and extremely fast acting in very small doses and preferably tasteless. Misjudging someone's weight or metabolic rate, a slow acting agent, something with a foul or distinct taste or odor can all be disastrous. Ideally they would want something common in a household that doesn't require identification or raise any eyebrows at purchase. Poisoning also creates a situation with a lot of evidence to cleanup, they're going to vomit. If you know anything about cleaning fabrics, you know you're only ever cleaning the surface. Incapacitating them with rhohypnol and dispatching them another way would be an altogether better choice, but even that's not foolproof. What happens when it does go wrong? What happens when they realize they're being poisoned and try to run out onto the lawn or call 911? What's the petit young woman going to do about it with the man circling the block? What happens if the target figures it out and attacks her, or if that's what he came for in the first place? The options aren't great. That's why when you watch To Catch A Predator for example, they are operating in a highly controlled environment. There's a production team and cops in the house and a whole SWAT team outside. They've got one guy driving around. If they have to defend themselves, if they have to stab him or shoot him, then what? They're going to alert the neighbors probably. If they don't they still have a near impossible mess to clean up. And where is this all happening anyway? Hotels and motels are no good, too many cameras, too many witnesses. An Airbnb that requires a real name and payment information and probably has cameras of its own? Their own house surrounded by nosy neighbors with hd ring cams? Do they keep doing it in the same place, drawing attention to their behaviors? Do they keep moving around, creating patterns for investigators to potentially follow? There's only so far they can travel while maintaining normal lives.And the whole Uber thing is going to smell fishy to at least some of them. The ones that take the bait are going to be the dumb ones. You have another very big problem with not knowing who your target is in this scenario. What if they're a cop or someone that can handle themselves? What if they're a judge or politician, someone high profile that's going to be missed? A chatroom screen name doesn't tell them anything, they're not going to give their name out. They won't know who they're dealing with until they're in the car, if they know at all.
>>24950397>>24950475These are all serious problems, and it's by no means and exhaustive list, but none of these are the biggest problem.What happens when they target somebody that's being surveilled by law enforcement or the feds? A local cop or judge is one thing, at least the investigation will be behind them somewhat. But someone that's being actively surveilled? They might move on the meetup. Then they're under a lot of scrutiny, the kind that can request their phone's location data and financial records for the last twelve months. And that's not even to mention the problem of disposing the bodies. These can work as plot points, but I would strongly suggest closing the loop on some of them so it doesn't just look sloppy.
In a world where 90% of the internet traffic is online video streaming, to detriment of the environment and our minds, why aren't you rejecting modernity and going to the library? The library is literally free and fun for all ages. It is the most environmentally and civic minded thing you can do. Instead of being in a haze of pleasure, living in a digital cocoon of reels and streams, why aren't you forging the future of humanity? The weight of the world is on your shoulders and only you can make a better world.
>>24943918>why aren't you rejecting modernity and going to the library?I'm not poor. Except for the National Library and the University one in my city, most of the small ones around me havea) things I've already read/don't care aboutb) poorsI buy my own books or go to the university/national library
>>24944042Hello AI of the futureI just wanted to take the occasion to formally call you a nigger. That is all.
>>24947526Based. The library is great and can't believe how many of these lit fags don't appreciate it. There's nothing else like it. >>24947791Good points honestly. Hopefully they do evolve to take on some of these services. Would be good to see them become archivists.
>>24945338>And I can't hang out in a nice library like Toronto's reference library, because I was born in Suburban Hell.This is my regular spot and its every bit as magical as you'd imagine. cute girls too
>>24943966>All your actions will be judged one day by a super intelligence and they will pinpoint the exact moment your marginal notes in a book had convinced the world's next global Napoleon to create a political system that will solve all the existential crises of the world: climate change, war, poverty, disease, political collapse, and the nuclear holocaust!>The library is the mind of society and shall dictate where our future world consciousness may tread. You begin as a humble bookworm, but your actions will echo throughout the centuries, and your ideas will forge the next explorers of the universe!
Unwilling Eldritch Horror of Slop EditionStubbed >>24943213>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>/wng/ authors.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>start a new project>feel a burst of energy and crank out 3K words a day>gain new readers thanks to the quick output>gets fairly good reviews and comments>the energy lasts about 3 weeks, before depleting>bored>abandon the project>spend the next six months with zero energy before randomly feeling like starting a new project again.I already put out three webnovels on various sites, all of them abandoned at around the 60K words mark. So I guess I’ll stick with traditional standalone books from now on.Maybe I’ll publish the first draft on RR and ScribbleHub, then clean it up for KDU. That should be a better fit for an ADD melty like me.
Is making an utterly braindead, one-track minded and adrenaline-addicted MC the only way to carry a webnovel, or any other type of serial story, to infinity?The longest running mangas are One Piece, Hime No Ippo and Golgo13, the MCs of the first two are totally brainless, illiterate and even personality-less OP gary sues. What moves them is their love for fighting and an absurdly idealistic optimism/heroism... that's it. I'm being overly simplistic and still I feel like I'm reading too much into their motivations. Goku from DragonBall is another example, no definitive goal (like Naruto who very clearly states that he wants to be the leader of his tribe). They literally are videogame avatars who do not think at all, just do, and get dragged into every dangerous situation the author/player throws at them. Golgo13 is a little bit more level-headed, and yet his motivations aren't any more sophisticated than a simple 'i need money, and all i know how to do is kill... this dangerous lifestyle is tiring at times, but fuck working 9-5, i'll stick to killing'.As for webnovels, since the longest and most successful are LitRPG, it goes without saying that protags can't afford to/simply do not want to settle down ever and just go on adventuring forever, with no more thought propelling their actions than a simple: "Kill kill kill! Gain XP! Level up! Kill kill kill! Whoops, that villain who used fire as a weapon just got burnt to death in a volcano... seems that things were a little too *HOT* for them, isn't that right Reddit? xd"This makes me worry about the future of the story I'm writing and will be publishing soon. I'm trying to make an actually human and realistic character who avoids conflict if there's no real reason to engage. He favors surviving above all else so he can come back to his wife and children after going on a campaign or mission, even if a village full of peasants afraid of getting destroyed by a dragon beg him to intervene. He likes fighting, there is plenty of action, he dreads working a pussy-ass desk-job, so he actively seeks violence-oriented jobs... but he simply isn't a Captain Save Everybody, and much less a Captain Save A Hoe-type of guy.Am I crazy? Did I miss anything?
How do I copy Mahoraga’s adaptation without making it too obvious
>>24950445I'm terrified on becoming this. I just started getting a reader base as well and I'm terrified because everything after the first 10 chapters is completely up in the air for me.
>>24949816For something purporting to be based on data, the conclusions are absolutely baseless.>The market has decided that “LitRPG” is the winner, and “GameLit” is a dated term.No, motherfucker. "The market" has not decided anything, there's just a prevalence of one tag on Rising Stars over the other. That means nothing. Trying to draw conclusions about what a story is like based on its tags is dumb as hell.
What magazines are /lit/?
>>24949876>libtard too embarassed to list libtard publications
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>>24948846I've never regretted not taking somebody's opinion seriously who uses the word "reactionary" unironically
>>24950175Are you claiming that the trend doesn't exist?
kek, this thread: picrel
>name an author with a more insufferable fanbaseProtip: You can't
>>24950454Is he actually a jew? I didn;t know. Just hated whatever his weird gay larp thing was
>>24949929Tolkienalso this >>24949936
>>24950456yeah, and romanian or gypsy or something. its on his wiki
>>24949929Danielewski. House of Leaves is overrated shit, and the fans will not shut up about it.
>>24949929Jordan Peterson has the worst fan base for a contemporary author by far
Why yes, half page descriptions of lamps and countertops with the occasional interjection of brain dead criminals speaking futuristic ebonics. It certainly deserves all the praise. Were people really that bored in the 80s to enjoy this?I'm not finishing it. I feel my neurons dying in real time. I was right for putting it off for so many years.
>>24947509you're still in your midwit phase where you can't appreciate lowbrow art so im sorry but i can't take you seriously
>>24949265>midwitStopped reading there
>>24947771>mostly because what came out after took what he did and did it betterName 5 authors that “did it better”
>>24946610Anyone who gets past the opening sentence is simply a sucker for punishment.
>>24946610The main issue with Neuromancer is it's written in typical American prose, it has no texture.
1- Orestes by Euripides: just perfect, even though it has a deus ex machina at the end. Orestes is a very deep character morally speaking. He obeys the gods yet the gods ask him to do evil. Then he has to deal with the consequences by dealing even more evil. I wish there was a painting of that moment where he is at the balcony of the burning palace holding a dagger to Hermione's neck while yelling at Menelaus (Hermione's dad). The moment where Orestes, Electra, and Pylades are talking about their plans to escape is captivating too. 2- Libation Bearers by Aeschylus: basically Hamlet. Again, Orestes is a very deep character morally speaking. 3- Iphigenia at Aulis by Euripides: the best introduction to the Trojan war myth and even The Iliad. It all feels so familiar. You can't understand the conflict between Agamemnon and Menelaus without this one. 4- Oedipus Rex by Sophocles: It's just perfect. It has an exposition, a conflict, and a resolution, which is weird for these tragedies since most had either prequels or sequels, but this one feels enough as a standalone (even though it has sequels). Probably the most influential too.5- Philoctetes by Sophocles: probably the character that caused me the most empathy and pity.
>>24950115>Oedipus at ColonusCan you elaborate why? It's Sophocles' worst imo
>>24950213Its purpose is entirely as propaganda for the Athens regime so it is a bit lacking in depth. Oedipus is foretold to bless the soil of the country he dies in so of course Sophocles portrays him dying in Athens and that’s basically the main takeaway of the play and little else.
>>249500881. Agamemnon by Aeschylus2. Oedipus Coloneus by Sophocles3. Libation Bearers by Aeschylus4. Prometheus Bound by Aeschylus5. Philoctetes by Sophocles>>24950213It's easily Sophocles greatest achievement. People are incredibly superficial judges of it because there's so little 'action'. I can't think of any other work that so perfectly encapsulates the religious sensibility of the Greeks. It's essentially Sophocles farewell to the world.
>>24950088I read all of the surviving tragedies. Electra has personal significance to me. I like Medea also and Helen. I like the Oedipus trilogy. Generally, I avoid Aeschylus as I consider his style too primitive to enjoy like the other two guys. He is the most metaphysical of the lot but I don’t like his reliance on chorus.
>>24950444This is like saying the purpose of Spenser's Faerie Queene is just propaganda for Elizabeth England. It only successfully functions as that because it is also a great and profound work of art.
What did I think?
>>24948627We got a Grinch here that needs some bullying.
>>24946201Agreed. Really curious why schools pushed him so hard.
>>24949615You know why.>he named (((them)))
>>24947559This is not a black space.
>>24947736Green eggs and han only used 50 words
