REFORGED FROM RUIN EditionStubbed >>24854248>What is /wng/ - Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>/wng/ authors.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24863133sky pride I guessthe thing about "fun group of characters" is that that's usually found family bullshit and I don't have much tolerance for that
>>24861991>Genre?military space opera tragedy
>>24861342Yes it is worth holding back. Two reasons.>1 - Ads Are Already AnnoyingNobody likes ads. Ads are annoying by nature, even when it's for something we like, want, or even need. So when someone clicks on an ad, they're giving you a chance but they're already frowning. We stop hating the ad when the product advertised is actually good. In your case, that product is your wn. If I click an ad and see it has 3 chapters, I'm not going to read them and say "Hey, this is neat, I should keep an eye on this!" What I'm thinking is "You dragged me here to look at this? Why did I waste my fucking time, ugh! Time to scroll tiktok instead."When someone clicks an ad, you have One Chance to make them stay. You need to pitch them a good product. That means quality, yes, but you need quantity too. Think of it like a dish; If you serve me the best food of my life, but all you have for me is a teeny tiny bite-sized sampling, I'm going to want more. And if I can't have it or have to wait for it, I'm not going to say "Well, what I had was good at least", I'll say "Well now I'm STILL hungry, so I guess I'll go somewhere else to eat my fill.">2 - Sunk Cost FallacyHave you ever read something that's kind of mediocre, not bad but not amazing either, but it has potential so you keep reading and even if you run out of chapters, you STILL check in for the next release cause you're already 60 chapters in?You want this effect when someone reads your wn.If someone clicks on your ad, then ideally, you want them to get invested. Let them lay down their roots so they don't leave. If the soil's too shallow, they'll uproot themselves easily.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24863239>Sunk Cost FallacyThis is a completely foreign mentality to me. If I read something for 300 chapters and it's not paying off, then the pressure to stop wasting my time just gets higher.
>>24862946>What do I call a robot skeleton covered in protrusions of high grade armor, specifically designed to fuck with bladed weapons? It's fast and has a boxer type stance cos it has small shields on its arms and spikes inside them (pilebunkers)"bullshit"
she's already done with:harry potterartemis fowlnarniaa series of unfortunate eventsspook's (aka the last apprentice)percy jacksonearth's childrenwhat now?
>>24860881The Hobbit is way too childish for a twelve year old and Fellowship starts off in a very child friendly manner. Having her read one book per year (starting with Fellowship) wouldn't overload her with information and she'd mature along with the characters.
>>24860798My favourite childhood novels (11/12 yo) were the Name of the Rose and the Dark Tower series. Read that shit like thrice.
>>24861420>15yo>little brainsyou asshole
>>24862167are you a girl though?
>>24862167Mine were James Bond, SAS and whatever shitty sci-fi pulp I could find.And Sade.
So tomorrow I'm starting this book for the first time: what am I in for ?
>>24863225Because I'm saving it for the bus !
>>24863234Save this:*unzip penis*
>>24863236Hey, I'm NOT a faggot, I had sex with mostly women !
>>24863253Whatever. Read it now. Its no a Sanderson doorstep!
>>24863180I liked The Aleph much more.
Is it worth reading nowdays? I'm talking about Harvard Classics, Great Books Reading List and Curriculum, etc. Princeton Classics Department not even require Greek and Latin for students anymore.Why most college and university reading lists nowdays are 10 books tops? Cambridge recommends I Am Malala, Life Of Pi, Dune, but not Seneca, Plato or Aurelius.
>>24862708I had to instruct it to look for hardcovers from reputable publishers and in general books with a high quality comparable to loeb or folio wherever possible because I want longevity for the books I do buy (though I download a bunch because these are expensive and hard to get sometimes). Picrel is the inside of a single week of reading. The benefit of having an account and having had other conversations with the AI is that it has some semblance of how I operate best, which is why it recommends what it does in this case. I also talked to it about how to take notes in the case of history and philosophy because I like the Cornell method and it helped me refine that for the specifics of this program.You still have to use good judgement and pick some thing beforehand, I chose Chris Wickham's book as a core for my Early Middle Ages from what I know of it and made it run with that as the spine of the program. Also, if anyone wants to try this, find video lectures on the subject and go through them rapidly without taking notes and even without paying too much attentions (I did 5 yale lectures in the car in a day when I had to drive a lot) because it gives you an overview and you can orient yourself and know where to 'fit' the knowledge that comes from reading the books later.
bumperoni
My AI tutor recommends me a work from the western canon (currently on Plato's Republic) and we set up a thing called a tryptych, where it recommends a movie, painting, and music.
>>24862308>the coming collapse of modern education>coming
>>24863265Its funny how there have been predicting this moment from twenty years ago. The world is full of Cassandras.
IM TOO DUMB TO ENJOY READING WHAT NOW
>>24862828if you can read posts here then you're not too dumb for books. You either try books that are too hard for you rn or have zoomer tier attention span. Either way you can work it out and you probably should, unless you want to be stuck in a cesspool with /v/irgins ot /tv/tards
lol
even niggers read anon, have some shame
>>24862828Read poetry.Read comics.Anyway, if you want recs, say what you like from other media.
Impossible. I'm a complete retard who finished his first short book at 20 and I still enjoy reading. Don't force yourself to read a classic for the sake of it, read whatever you want, find what you like, disconnect from the internet, and make it a habit. Replace 4chan time with reading and you'll want to come back to it. If you read 20 pages at day that's 600 pages a month and 7300 pages a year. Nothing easier than that.
I wrote for ten years, didn't get published until five years ago, and then I've only had middling success with five stories, a dozen poems, and essays. I just use it to get a foot in the door with some jobs. Other than that, it's been a massive time sink. I might give up soon because I've painted myself into a corner.
>>24862215Cool
Of course it's a time sink, that's what makes it valuable in the first place. Maybe it's a matter of personality, but this is why it's best to enjoy writing more than having written.
>>24862215All that time wasted when you could've been using it to get better at video games. How do you live with yourself?
>>24862227I could've worked more or studied something that could get me money.
>>24862225You don’t enjoy what you’re good at. Most people who like writing are bad at it.
Give me your honest thoughts on Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea series. I think her comments on white people were embarrassing and I guess 2nd wave Feminism is super quaint nowadaysBut damn could she write
Also Rowling, the weird Fablehaven mormon guy, among countless other fantasy authors owe her big time
I watched the movie and thought, "That was garbage. They must've butchered the book." But then I read part of the book and realized it was already garbage.
>>24863270The story behind that movie is insanely funny. From what I recall Miyazaki gave his hated son the reigns, and the first thing his son did was add an opening scene where a boy murders his dad (the "king" kek) and runs away
>“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!”>Hunter S. Thompson
>>24859529Adventurous for his time sure (ignoring the parts where he’s clearly lying). But it just feels lame looking back on it today. Doing cocaine and drinking to excess isn’t impressive anymore, it’s what the average corporate wage slave does on a weekly basis.
>>24858467RousseauRussellInterestingly their names are kind of similar
>>24859704"being a wageslave is based, infiltrating a motorcycle gang to do journalism, creating a new type of journo while at it, is onions"
>>24862206Can you redpill me on Nietzsche? From the excerpts we read in school and my limited secondhand knowedge, I think of him as a whiny cuckboy constantly seething about Christians and Wagner. What am I missing out on?
>>24858467J.S. Mill.
You guy's think Raskolnikov's Great Man Theory was correct? I'm guessing people like Napoleon maybe felt bad for killing people to achieve great things, but they were able to simply handle it because they were greatAre you a great man?
>>24862689He achieved nothing great because the killing itself wasn't supposed to be the great thing, it was the means to it. The point is that Raskolnikov couldn't handle such a means, but a "Great Man" could've.
>>24859792Raskolnikov’s views on Napoleon are inherently incorrect, so his theory will be incorrect just based on that alone. Napoleon is not someone who killed people because he felt superior or anything like it. Anyone who thinks that Napoleon didn’t have a conscience is beyond retarded.
>>24862815What about Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, or idk, Vlad The Impaler
>>24860694What's a good way to find out if you have a conscience?
>>24859792The Great Man theory is true. Despite War and Peace being my favorite book, Tolstoy is retarded when disputing it.
>Clarissa>Tristram Shandy>Tom Jonesthe holy trinity
Clarissa is the best 18th century novel, 100 years ahead of its time in psychological depth.
>>24863116I read translations, as well.
>>24860369>Gulliver's Travels>Tristram Shandy>Tom Jones
>Smollet's Picaresques>Early Romanticism>Gothic Literature>Stockings and Breeches18th Century is objectively better than the 19th century. Everything the 19th century did, the 18th century did first.
>>24860369Imma give Tom Jones a try
Im about 100 pages in and while it’s well written and enjoyable this feels like a YA book. I read The Remains of the Day and found it fantastic and so came into this kind of blind, purely off of Ishiguro’s name,I mean, honestly, this would have been better served by being a comic so far with how visual some of it is.
>>24862734OP again, just finished the end of part 2 and the sequence with the mother definitely elevated it.
>>24862734It's a bit thin.One problem is that it doesn't really know what story it's telling.Is it a basic "child befriends robot" tale? Hard to make more than a short story out of that.Or is it all about a robot trying to formulate its own philosophy / religion? The title suggests that, but it never goes anywhere.Or is it another dystopian morality tale? Children divided into HIGH and LOW, "messing with nature", etc?Or is it a psychological drama (the mother aiming to replace the child with the robot)?It can't quite decide, and in the end it goes nowhere. It just doesn't have the weight you would expect from a supposedly serious novelist. Klara is quite appealing but that's about it.
>>24863017All of the 'Is it?' items are really just some dressing to the main thrust of the book, which is that we (or Klara, at least, but based on most of Ishiguro's entire oeuvre I think we can extrapolate) can only find real meaning and happiness in helping others. Klara, who is less self-deluded and more objective than any of Ishiguro's other narrators, is happy at the end of the novel as she fades away, because she lived consciously and unselfishly.
>>24863017Did you enjoy the Buried Giant?
What does /lit/ generally think of books written by anons/namefags? Do they shill their own work here, and how are they received? Assuming the work is freely available.
>>24859302Even if you don't hate the future, the fact that people are still talking about a book 50+ years after it was published is a pretty strong endorsement.
>>24862046>themes are supposed to overwhelm you.it's not a good idea
I should've written a shittier book so you'd all have reasons to talk about it.
>>24862160My goal is 200 years after publishing. Knowing damn well I'm not here to see that happen, I made sure to write like I was already dead. Made my day seeing more than one person call it a to be cult classic in their reviews. They weren't critics, just consumers, but it was still really awesome.Wasn't fiction btw
>>24862046If your goal is to build a writing career you have to follow the rules. Debut novels are not supposed to be ambitious or complex. They are supposed to be simple and short. The further you stray from 50k, the less likely you are going to get published. You have enough material in your novel that you can probably cut it down to a publishable novel. Don't waste the opportunity you still have. If you continue to be stubborn and stick to this script of writing something unmarketable, then you will not make it.>>24859131The lizard beginning is actually a good way to start. There are more people who want to read horror than literary, and agents like that mix too. Look at Gabe's book. Is there some reason you think you can't be traditionally published?
Is it worth it in 2025?
>>24862380Her thesis is accessible online. Go ahead and tell me it actually says anything of substance instead of regurgitating leftoid points for 6 gazillionth time using academia's version of corpospeak.The real blackpill is reading papers from the 70s. The decline is in quality is massive.
>>24861980Amelia is such a pretty name. Why would she shorten it to Ally? One more thing I can fix about her.
>>24862913Because she's a proud ally of transpeople, duh
>>24859787>i dont understand the ragenigga try to explain. Just type out your feelings as they happen using words that describe them as close to what and how you feel them, basicly be honest with yourself first me second and just type whatever shit comes to mind cuz. Shiiieeeeiiiit you have no idea how much bs that drops off your shoulders being non censoring and staring reality straight in its bitch ass face and still doing you>chick with a phdayo ima keep it a buck, the only thing i see here is a bitch thats old now and basicly useless. Everything ahe did was based on the absence of strength and not in the pursuit of acquiring it. Bitch is basicly not righteous about her shit so yeah, idc about no funky old hoe
>>24859787her "phd" is about how if you notice nonwhites smell bad it's because you're racist, i'm not overly familiar with academia but surely that's 99.9 percentile niche and libtarded
What does /lit/ think of her works?Personally, I feel she’s surprisingly solid even though she can be a bit edgy for edgy’s sake at times.
>>24862518She came on my radar a while back and I downloaded a bunch of her work. I'm probably going to start with Wise Children.
>fairy tales but with a feminist spinUhhhhh no thanks
Postmodernistslop
Anyone read The Passion of New Eve? Or The Sadeian Woman?
>>24863044>>24863134seething moids
and why is it ancient Greek?
>>24862586https://archive.org/details/allspanishmethod0000guilhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf8XN5kNFkheNPqxA2mTuX65COM1R3S90https://archive.org/details/pocoapocoanelem00avilgooghttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf8XN5kNFkhe4D2BPBKaUb2JvDHuzAGPI
>>24862759https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_method_(education)
>>24859985>let me shill for Classical PersianI'm honestly surprised more anons on /lit/ don't advocate for the Persian language. I mean Goethe learned it to read and write poetry...I mean West–östlicher Divan anyone?
welcone to the /lit/ teahousejoin, join, join!https://discord.gg/rUkmHH7hS
>>24862759you hire a nanny fluent in ancient Greek to raise you
