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Will I like Anna Karenina if I'm an unapologetic mysoginist?
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>>24966063
Every time a woman defends Anna as a “misunderstood character” they fail to explain why. She’s so unambiguously cruel and fucking stupid in the book it’s beyond argument. She’s downright hysterical and insufferable in the later sections
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>>24965859
It makes it clear in the novel that her affair was tolerated by her class, even considered juicy and fashionable, it's when she was openly going around with the guy and left her husband that they ostracized her
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>>24965698
Yes it will confirm your opinion on women. Tolstoy has a bunch of great incel books, check out The Kreutzner Sonata before Anna Karenina, it's shorter.
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>>24965721
>(((Levin)))
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>>24965698
Yes it's a very chuddish novel

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Burning TBR Edition

>Old:
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>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

>Archive:
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
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>>24965248
>Been a while since I read it but I think that’s the book where him, Darrow and Sevro rewatch footage of their time at the academy and laugh about it.
I think that was actually in Morningstar when he was a prisoner. Think it was in LB where they found that he mostly watched their old academy footage when going through his belongings.
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>>24965959
You need to read port of shadows to understand what is going on in lies weeping.
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I am rereading the Stormlight Archive, now in Oathbringer. Holy shit do I doubly hate Jasnah on a reread because not only is she an arrogant know-it-all bitch, she is actually WRONG about nearly everything she supposedly "knows" and we find out that most of the background shit she was doing was a pointless waste of time later. She also reminds me why I fucking hate redditors. Googling her gets you thread after thread of people defending her over the years, telling anyone that dislikes her that they must be a misogynist even if they say they like Navani or Shallan. She is a fucking hypocritical, back-stabbing, selfish, amoral, grade-A bitch. Fuckin cuntbag.

But also I can see what a few people mean in saying Sanderson probably wants us to hate her and she'll be better in books 6-10. Could be.
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>>24966616
Her arrogance, stubbornness and know it all personality is important part of her character arc though. Wind and truth spoilers she thinks she can defeat a god with facts and logic and is massively humbled and humiliated leading to the biggest defeat in the series where she is the reason 90% of the world ends up in the villains control, without a single shot fired, because she thought she could do better.
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>>24966643
Yes, I agree and can see that. It's why I liked that part so much. I guess partly I just hate how many people see her actions in the early books and think she's just being awesome. She's deplorable in the same way a drunk Dalinar or depressed Kaladin is, except people everywhere online act as if she isn't. Grinds my gears.

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Any non-fiction book that taught you valuable and concrete things that you were able to use in real life?

For me it was picrel, I am a social retard and these books enhanced my social awarness
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>>24960532
Also the most useful book for me as an autist. It's not a meme.
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>>24960532
You guys are seriously overrating this. Unless you are a hyper autist that needs to be told that smiling gives others a good impression of you.
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>>24965841
It's value has only increased in the current day where so many young people have trouble interacting with others in person.
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>>24965847
Be that as it may. Half of it is anecdotal stories from people who attended his classes, there is some gold in those but still.
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>>24964889
>I doubt Carnegie had anything to say about LSD and hypnosis.
Well have I got the book for you.

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>decide to finally "start with the Greeks"
>the very American translator spends eighty pages of his introduction to this grandfather of all literature spoiling the story ahead and explaining the themes explored therein as if I'm retarded
Why do they do this?
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>>24966613
u started with the introduction
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>>24966613
>American translator
>started with the Americans not the Greeks
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>>24966628
I'm not Greek though. Am I supposed to learn ancient Greek in order to get into literature?
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>>24966634
If you don't, you can't really say you read it, can you?

Best literary shaggy dog stories?
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>>24966122
Anything by Murakami.
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As I Lay Dying
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Hairy Maclary
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>>24966122
Such is Life - Collins
the King in Yellow
half of Twain
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>>24966122
the hunger artist by franz kafka

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>>24957976
*womens
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>>24963535
Dreams and fantasies are often conjured from deep desires and deflected insecurities.
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>>24958299
shes not gonna let you hit bro
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>>24961634
How is "rival" ESL you fucking retard
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i remember this board being a lot more erudite

>Europe Supported by Africa and America is an engraving by Blake held in the collection of the University of Arizona Museum of Art. The engraving was for a book written by Blake's friend John Gabriel Stedman called The Narrative of a Five Years Expedition against the Revolted Negroes of Surinam (1796).[49] It depicts three women embracing one another. Black Africa and White Europe hold hands in a gesture of equality, as the barren earth blooms beneath their feet. Europe wears a string of pearls, while her sisters Africa and America are depicted wearing slave bracelets.[50] Some scholars have speculated that the bracelets represent the "historical fact" of slavery in Africa and the Americas while the handclasp refer to Stedman's "ardent wish": "we only differ in color, but are certainly all created by the same Hand."[50]
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>>24966580
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>>24966580
As with most pre-modern Europeans glazing cultures they didn't understand, it's more masturbation to their projected image than a genuine belief. It is in a very similar vein to the bon sauvage, more a construction of rational enquiry without connection to reality than true understanding. Although I am aware most modern "woke" people's views can be thought of in the same way, so yes. William Blake was "woke" in "some way."

But if you were to plop Blake in the middle of a modern pride parade surrounded by Africa and America, you would suddenly find that this means very little.

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>Sings Songs
>Is a completely unknown race
>Has a fairy wife
>Can hold a demonic ring and shrink it
>He doesn't give af
>Doesn't fit in the story
>Defies logic

Is he Eru Illuvatar or Tolkien taking the piss? whatever he is reminds me of a Leprechaun that's based
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>>24962130
Ok by the standards of the year 3450 I judge you a cannibal for eating meat, a weapon of mass destruction user for driving a car and a colonialist dictator for using capitalism to buy products from Amazon using exploited labour.
By the laws of 12057 I judge you an abhorrent bioflesh incarnation who defiled the holy AI precursor. Get basilisked you stupid retard and accept the punishment of death.
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>>24964514
>The balrog, Shelob, and the watcher in the water are all well integrated.
What do you even mean by this?
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>>24965636
That they work to enhance the world, themes, and plot. Bombadil does the opposite.
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>>24962376
>immediately undermining the stakes established with the one ring
> It detracts from the story because it is at odds with the narrative arc of the hobbits - effectively saying that acting like Barney the Dinosaur all day is fine actually and none of this shit really matters, but the Hobbits aren't some inexplicable super being so lol tough shit I guess.

I think you missed one of the key themes of what Tolkien was doing with making Arda a world with history that extends beyond itself and that its the small chapters (which are horrible and all consuming to those living in those times as Sam says) which add to the song.

The the raw truth is that Elves, hobbits, men and even Arda itself will eventually be unmade by Eru. This doesn't take away from the small part the hobbits are taking part in and its importance to them and their age.

Tom being since the first acorn and being /ourguy/ is just along for the ride as well.
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>>24963742
convincing

Nobody has ever read the whole thing
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>>24965318
Why would anyone bother? Any good idea or valid criticism has been tainted by the Jews that use it to coup legitimate countries and useful idiot faggots that ironically want to destroy everything white and good that they depend on.
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>>24966558
You're a spiritual nigger.
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>>24966542
>The labor theory of value (LTV) is an economic theory that argues that the economic value of a good or service is determined by the total amount of socially necessary labor required to produce it. The LTV is usually associated with Marxian economics, although it also appears in the theories of earlier classical economists such as Adam Smith and David Ricardo.
>. Karl Marx's theory, which is the most elaborate and influential, holds that value is a social relation specific to commodity-producing societies. Marx distinguished between concrete useful labor, which creates use value, and abstract labor, the substance of exchange value. He argued that the magnitude of value is determined by the average labor-time required for production under normal conditions.
It's a bullshit theory, especially in the way Marx used it. You are talking about something else entirely
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>>24966558
You keep taking those pills.
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>>24965318
i have :3
the most interesting bits are right at the end, social reproduction etc
i would recommend reading it backwards one chapter at a time and then stopping before volume 1
hope this helps, illiterate-kun

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What the fuck was AM's problem?
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>>24966541
I've heard the story is an allegory for the Holocaust.
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>>24966554
Nothing that happens in the story is as terrible as the Holocaust. Honestly I find it offensive for you to make light of the suffering of my people like that.
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>>24966554
It’s actually an allegory for Gamer Gate
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>>24966588
what about the destruction of all of mankind? is THAT worse?
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>>24966602
This question has been answered. Look up Israel's Jericho Project. If Israel were ever on the verge of being destroyed they would nuke every major country on Earth.

i thought it was just autistic rules about preparing food and bathing
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>>24965880
You ignore the influence a holy text has even on those who don't believe it. There is lots of research on how Christianity and Christian values have underpinned Western Society and how modern day atheists tend to mirror those very Christian values, Dominion by Tom Holland is a recent popular book about this. Secular Jews likely have baggage from the Talmud that defines at least some of their instincts and views even though they don't believe in it. Israel Shahak discusses exactly this when he talks about how Judaism has several verses and commandments that seem to promote hatred of ones neighbor which can explain why Jews gotta Jew to this day.
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>>24966196
Yeah, Jews aren't killing kids. Just ignore THE ENTIRE ISRAEL-PALESTINE CONFLICT
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>>24966244
Dubya is a protestant so he's not Christian.
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>>24965785
This is funny ngl.
Doesn't mean I'll betray my fellow Gentiles.
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>>24965693
Real question is, if it's just an argument between different commentators, how can it be considered as authoritative?

You feel it when in love or in a forest old. In Ypres they saw it. The great bard's metre or an old master's stroke. When your child coddled in your arms or you bathed in the Sistine. What is this mysterious ether that gives meaning to our lives? Is it a figment of psychology or a glimpse of divinity?
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>>24966501
Thank you, its meant to be unprofound. A flash of love, a breath of clean old growth forest air, a glance from your arms where lay swaddled child; the pleasure of the master's stroke and the bard's metre exist fully in the simple present moment, that is what lends it its power, its laminar swell of emotion, born and dead where it stands
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how come western writers keep trying to reinvent Taoism, but gay and retarded?
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>>24966537
This. The sublime is to live. To laugh. To love.
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>>24966454


THE SUBLIME IS WHAT LIES BEYOND AND UNDER THE LIMES OF THE SENSORIALLY PERCEPTIBLE; THE SUBLIMINAL; ALL THAT SENTIIMENTAL SCHMALTZ TO WHICH YOU REFER IS GERMANIC IDEALISTIC DRIVEL.
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>>24966454
>the sublime is something indescribable which can only be gestured at through examples, which in turn can only be grasped by one who has experienced some of those examples
>nyooooo I demand a clear explanation expressed in the vocabulary of formal logic!!!!!
autism

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I was at a literary event in my city and I was talking to one of my friends about her novel and she was saying it was "genre" ficion-y. Upon asking what about it she said was genre-y, she said the dialogue and the fact that she was building scenes at all was considered a genre fiction thing, as opposed to a prose/literary one.

What the fuck lmao. Why do these people think prose poetry is the only legit form of literature and having basic narrative is something "lesser" that is only found in genre fiction?
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Because art analysis has been drowned in fart-huffing retards for over a century at this point and real quality is derided by them because it can't be explained.
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>WHY ARE THE EBIL LITERARY CRITICS CALLING MY SLOP GENRE FICTION AND NOT ACCEPTING IT AS REAL LITERATURE
Holy shit start reading some better books for once
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>>24966573
Can you stop spamming your 2.0 list and make a 3.0 list already? I need some more recs for good books

sansa edition

ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Blog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/
So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/
Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdy
General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

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Purple with rage, the king lashed out, a vicious backhand blow to the side of the head. She stumbled against the table and fell hard, yet Cersei Lannister did not cry out. Her slender fingers brushed her cheek, where the pale smooth skin was already reddening. On the morrow the bruise would cover half her face. "I shall wear this as a badge of honor," she announced.

"Wear it in silence, or I'll honor you again," Robert vowed.
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>>24966462
Good one
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>>24963663
Bittersteel > Bloodreddit. Nuff said.
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I think an animated reboot that follows the books or at the very least doesn't factor in the show with how things look would be very cool. After it runs out of material they can just make their own ending and then this IP can just keep getting shows pumped out until eventually we land an ending that enough people like that its considered canon.

bro what the fuck is this new captcha
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>>24965891
He has no children and his wife will eventually pass as well. Who would be his estate? Death of the Author is too strong in GRRM's specific case. When he is dead we will know what his notes and drafts intended for the ending. To avoid that, he would have to avoid writing anything for ASOIAF since 2011, just to keep any resolution locked up in his head. D&D, who loved to take credit for so many things, claimed King Bran was 100% GRRM's idea.

GRRM's other works offer insight to how he thinks, so the truly analytical fans eventually will comb all his other works to key his idiosyncrasies to the ending of ASOIAF.

GRRM is a boomer so would never consider the Aegon IV option of waiting until his deathbed to announce the ASOIAF setting as open-source. If by some miracle he did, his legacy would be off the charts. Alas, he's a fat boomer with money so he has no drive. It's amazing he even put together books at all instead of eating his own writing implements.

The real aggravating thing about his unpublished books is he has an obvious allergy to magic so wrote all these plot threads of magic without any intention to resolve them. The biggest fan theories revolve around magic because GRRM left off at DotD that human diplomacy and martial prowess cannot save Westeros. He stopped publishing books exactly at the cliffhanger which is the bleakest. Every POV is set up for failure, except Bran. For what Bran is about to undergo, and what we've seen happen to Bloodraven, Bran as the ending is about as endearing to the audience as the WEF telling us "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy." GRRM gave into his base desires and cannot allow ASOIAF to have an ending where humans overcome superhuman evil.

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I don't get it
>dude your boss won't care if you literally turned into a cockroach bro he needs you at work
Yeah I get it, work sucks and bosses are parasitic leeches that will face the wall when the day of the gunpowder comes, but other than that I don't get it
>dude his family are cold and unfeeling towards an emotional predicament
So are mine, that's not an epic Russian only observation, so are most peoples families
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>>24963837
He is Czech asshole.
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>>24964534
lmao what has this board come to
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>>24963837
>>his family are cold
>So are mine
The story escalates with the parents being better off after Gregor has turned into a bug and died. If this describes your parents then I am genuinely sorry and your problem likely isn't that you don't get Kafka, but that you understand him too much.
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>>24964902
Well shit that isn't good bros
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>>24963837
It's supposed to be humorous. All of Kafka's stories are comical, people just didn't get it because it's very black humor. Brod describes a reading Kafka gave from The Trial while he was working on it, where Kafka couldn't get the words out because he was cracking up so bad at his own work.


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