Was he right? What comes after the Faustian civilization?
>>24971488We had these conversations centuries ago. We came to the conclusion that church and state should be separate and to enforce rule of (secular) law under a single constitution. Creating laws for each individual or even just the myriad of different groups of people foolish and impractical. I do appreciate you showing all of us how conniving and aggressive Islam really is.
>>24970407>Currently there's a huge unresolved question in Islam with regards to it's evolving synthesis with Western society. So literally what I said? All the inward questions are answered, all the forms are already set in place. And the only problems are how to react to external eventualities. Which they are admittedly rather adept at doing. Fundamentalist Islam is just a re-stating of old maxims in response to a new encroaching civilization. Not even the explosive ISIS like movements are unprecedented. They actually kind of remind me of certain extinct Shia groups, or the Almohads, or Sufi messianists, etc.It all goes back to the past, to tradition, and the way things were done then. >Something I would like to see, personally, is a greater pluralism towards civil law, allowing for Shariah courts to manage issues like inheritances, contracts, marriage and divorce. Very Magian, I reckon you are an arab and not a convert, yes?If so, you are just hoping to reproduce the Ghetto living natural to your culture. Sunni muslims here practicing muslim law, Christians there, Shias over there, etc. Religious Jews do it a lot too. >>24970682I don't know, I like Liszt, and do not think one should ignore the role Poland had in medieval HRE politics. And anyway, my heuristic for whether a specific European ethnicity or state was/is part of Faustian Europe is this: Did they natively participate in the reformation? If yes, then they are Faustian, if not, then they are not. Incidentally, it seems to exclude the Gaelic Irish. But that means it works.
>>24972079Finally, someone who gets what I am proposing.Convert, but from a very Magian strain of Germanic culture; a breed of conversos that never fully integrated into the modern world (but were early and energetic participants in the reformation, ironically). You're right about the Ghetto living, in the absence of meaningful nation states (which admittedly aren't coming back, that question was settled in 1945) the medieval Ghettos are the most immediately applicable way to reintroduce community and meaning into the West.It's notable that Indian Reservations, another form of primitive communitarianism, is one of the only places in Western countries that has managed to maintain replacement birthrates and even grow. The Chinese hukou system is another interesting concept which Westerners haven't even begun to grapple with.
>>24972139>It's notable that Indian Reservations, another form of primitive communitarianism, is one of the only places in Western countries that has managed to maintain replacement birthrates and even grow.What? Don't Injuns have abysmal birth rates?
>>24972139>Convert, but from a very Magian strain of Germanic culture;(Turkish migrant, second generation)
So what did everyone get for Christmas?picrel is the kindle book hauls I got, plus I got 125 dollars in Barnes & Noble credits, which I'm probably to use to get some Marx, Smith, Hegel, and Tocqueville and maybe others, possibly a history of China or something. I also got tons of coffee, some food items and a few articles of clothing. more to come.
>>24970926This book, a book voucher and other non /lit/ items.
>>24971873I wanted that Shelby Foote since two Christmases ago
>>24971881*peak patrician zoomer
>>24971755I hate those Pynchon covers
I'm pretty happy
What books did you receive from Santa this year /lit/?Not gonna post a pic but I got: >The Encyclopedia of Demonology & Witchcraft>The Imago Sequence by Laird Barronand>a first edition printing of Dangerous Visions edited by Harlan Ellison Fairly modest haul but you know what, I'm satisfied. Merry Crimbus everybody!!!
>>24972015As someone going through William Blake I hope you are up to date on your latin
>>24972163Bumping to keep the thread alive for you lad.
>>24970424based archive in between enjoyer.
Sent family a list of books and they chose a few from that.
>>24972478NiceI just finished Vathek a few weeks ago>>24970980Is it really worth reading?
>That only can be called science (wissenschaft) proper whose certainty is apodictic: cognition that can merely contain empirical certainty is only improperly called science. A whole of cognition which is systematic is for this reason called science, and, when the connection of cognition in this system is a system of causes and effects, rational science. But when the grounds or principles it contains are in the last resort merely empirical, as, for instance, in chemistry, and the laws from which the reason explains the given facts are merely empirical laws, they then carry no consciousness of their necessity with them (they are not apodictically certain), and thus the whole does not in strictness deserve the name of science; chemistry indeed should be rather termed systematic art than science.-Kant, Metaphysical Foundations of Natural Science, Preface
>>24971562ideas are not knowledge
>>does science improperly
>>24971443>>free-wheels inductively from presuppositions to desired ends>>calls it knowledge anywayANY technology immediately refutes Kant, it is enough to make you wonder how someone who knows how to write, could actually twist themselves to write so ignorantly in praise of ignorance of how writing is possible
>>24970908but but Kant said the critique of pure reason is to old metaphysics like chemistry is to alchemy...what now did he mean by that ?if chemistry is systematic art ?wouldnt he call the critique a science ?
>>24972475(°□°)︵ ━ AHHHHHHHHHHHH
>decide to finally "start with the Greeks">the very American translator spends eighty pages of his introduction to this grandfather of all literature spoiling the story ahead and explaining the themes explored therein as if I'm retarded Why do they do this?
Start with the Peano Axioms
how the fuck am i supposed to start with the greeks if i only had latin lessons and failed even those horribly?
>>24966613Always skip the introduction.Read the translator's note if you wish.
>>24966634Yes, you're supposed to learn Ancient Greek and Classical Latin like all the literati prior to 1900s.
>>24972393What does Classical Latin have to offer? Im curious. I just started learning Ancient Greek.
I realized this year that I've been a liberal my whole life. I've just been in a stereotypical post-liberal position of 'current woke isn't real woke' and 'the left should focus on economic conditions instead of culture wars.'I've been familiar with trolling for a decade, but simply turning off the computer solved this problem. I never thought government agencies would directly engage in ragebaiting. I've become more like a woke person - I'm not getting my work done because I'm overcompassionate about society and things that don't relate to me.What I want to know is: what should I do to stop caring about things that don't involve me? I've been reconsidering narcissists. I think there's a paradoxical aspect to narcissists where by only caring about themselves and not caring about others, they end up helping others. What books should I read to not care about society and to have a big ego?
>>24972437there's genuinely nothing wrong with being an actual liberal, you just have to understand it doesn't exist anymore
>>24972302You're not a narcissist.
>>24972435Why are you arguing with a retard?
>>24972471because writing sentences is fun
>>24972470oh, he is. stereotypically so. you should be able to see it from just that post.
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Please add:Bonjour Tristesse (Francoise Sagan)Bowling Alone (Robert D Putnam)Fooled by Randomness (Nassim Nicholas Taleb)Oh and the list should have included MUCH more non fiction books like scientific treaties, though we all know STEMfags rarely if never read books, they read papers and use other mediums to gain knowledge
>>24970579>>24970533Kek
>>24971048Added>the list should have included MUCH more non fiction books like scientific treatiesAdded Hippocrates, Galen, Archimedes, Ptolemy, Copernicus, William Harvey, William James, Freud, Einstein, Keynes, Alfred Marshall, and Henry George.
>>24962296Why Joseph Smith? That's not the claim
Can you add The Stand by Stephen King?
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I tried rewriting my intro at the start of the actual story with narrative instead of boring exposition. Let me know if it's still trash. I tried.
>>24972174did you just pull a bunch of random author names? some of these are plainly untrue
>>24971942Sure, they write, but how will they write anything worthwhile without the sort of hard hitting critiques we offer here?
>>24972421'magnum opus' usually refers to an artist's entire lifetime, it sounds a bit awkward herethe first page is a kind of deflation, i mean, the guard doesn't really seem to care? he says "i'm not the person you need to convince" and then he seems to have the power to let the protag go.did he find a man or a woman?Jennifer was the only one still wearing a lab coat, but the victim also wore one?These are just kind of informational nitpicks, the narration itself seems alright, but the intended tone of this piece eludes me. Is it a tragedy that someone was murdered or just another workday? If it's the latter, the tension of the opening dissolves rapidly, mostly through dialogue. I suppose Jennifer tries to make up for it with hints of some mystery.The protagonist seems pretty detached. I would have liked to feel a bit more of his character, unless that is it. Still, everyone has their quirks.I hope these are useful anon, keep at it, writing is rewriting
>>24972453Good points on the informational nitpicks, I do need to revise it more and be both consistent and not awkward sounding at parts.I should probably just remove the part where the guard suspects him at all, although I fear that makes the opening less interesting. Him being a suspect is not important at all in my plan for the plot.The point is that he is emotionally detached as a result of finding the body, which I do sorta agree doesn't let his usual personality shine (self aggrandizing asshole). But it was a very easy starting point with a conflict that I figured would draw attention.And I'm not 100% on what I want my intended tone to be, but I guess I want the tone to start as a traumatic tragedy then go into a more subtle but mysterious aftermath where he tries to deny the impact the event had on him. I do appreciate the detailed feedback, it does help. I'm not experienced enough to think about all these things on my own, though once someone brings it up it becomes more obvious.
I know this isn't /pol/, but as a board for people interested in literature, academics, and perhaps aspiring to join those fields themselves, this article was quite sobering. I don't know how someone could come away from reading this and not conclude something is deeply broken, and that young white men are actually responding rationally to discrimination.
>>24972282It's early yet. White folks always take a while to spin up to full speed.
OP here, there's a lot of debate over:1. The competence crisis or whether the solution 2. Whether buying in enough to challenge this shit is worth it, or if it's gone so far that there's no point. I think the most fundamental things I've gleaned from this conversation is that things were obviously bad enough for such a thing to even happen. You know, the environment in 2013 and 2012 was bad enough for YWM that something like sclerotizing their pathway to career was seen as a lucid possibility. But what changed? Obviously, in 2012, it wasn't like conservative YWM were on top of the world. A lot of slop on TV basically espoused the same values it would in 2018. Where did the political will to exclude them come from? What I think happened is essentially in 2012, the Obama Administration saw the data from the 2010 midterms, and the 2012 election against Romney, that white people, particularly YWM, despised the new Democratic Party. All sorts of Obama staffers basically write in retrospectives that the memos circulating around then emphasized that unmarried women and minorities, you know, LGBT people were the only hope of making up for the total flight of white voters from the party. Knowing this, I suspect that when this information started filtrating throughout donor circles and think-tanks, it became very obvious to everybody that essentially destroying the pathways for YWM to obtain professional success was crucial. Obama was in a position to basically say "look, I've tried everything, it's time to just cut these guys off," and that's exactly what he did. Even though most slop on the TV then was pretty much confirming the whole Obama thing, this still wasn't enough. They had to be punished and disempowered totally for their lack of loyalty. While much of this is pretty much intuitively felt by the MAGA base, I think it's important to have such a critical piece of data, and that a lot of conservative intellectual takes miss the deeper point here. This sort of racial revenge scheme is the kind of paranoiac shit that would've actually got you branded a white supremacist back in 2015, but the evidence is right there. You know, this isn't blue-hair femininist brainrot or overactive empathy, you know, the kind of shit conservatives console themselves with. Those people believe that because it allows their personal narrative to align with the larger flows of the world.Rather, it seems clear that at the top-levels, this was a clear-eyed attempt to disempower a rival through sociological castration. But the fact that the Obama Administration's response to the disgruntlement of YWM was a systematic revenge campaign cannot be overstated. This is not a particularly hard story to follow imo.
>>24972414And here we get the normie political spin to grift men into a paticular direction, and to get them onboard with a certain political platform.Obama isnt omnipotent and this stuff has continued through successive administrations as well as through all levels of private (not just public) sector.Dont let Jews like Savage tel you what to think. This happend, and the same people who caused it are now trying to weaponize your pain to push a new agenda.
>>24972237> revolutionary change if a sufficient critical mass of men want it.Women had a smaller gap in university entrance when they were marching in the streeet demanding equality than men face now. The really astouding thing is that the propaganda works so well huwite men are not only getting shafted, all cries about “representation” were just wedge issues because it just continues once the result is disproportional and now inequality is a good thing actually and just shows how worthless huwite men are (both vs women and other minorities). And they do nothing. They’ve integrated the story so well you can barely get them to say the situation is broken. Where the fuck is the revolutionaries supposed to come from? Boomers got more concessions taking to the streets in protest than any subsequent generation has even seen. Nobody is doing jack shit.
>>24972426Well, I mean, I don't make money for writing this stuff. But I don't really see what you're proposing as a lucid alternative. The fact it's part of a longer historical trend while true, doesn't quite blunt my point. This is pretty clearly symptomatic of an acceleration. It's like saying "yeah, you know, it's not a big deal the cancer's metastasizing, I've had it for a while, it's just part of successive cancer states." If you got two guys, and one of them is saying he can give you chemo, and the other guy says it's a grift, don't blame him for taking the treatment. It's pretty obvious that the Democrats decided YWM had no real place in the future of their party based on data analysis from the 2010 midterms and 2012 election, and then coincidentally their pathways to a career got much stricter. If something like this happened in a hypothetical African shithole country, where the Green Party weren't supported by group X, and then group X suddenly became unemployable in Green-aligned industry due to KPIs, no one would be blaming Jews lmao. They'd call it usual shithole politics, where democratic strategies like courting votes or tailoring agendas is exchanged for antidemocratic ones like marginalization and coercion. FWIW, I agree with you that it's not like Obama single-handedly destroyed YWM. But my deeper point here is after 2012, as someone who used to be a liberal, it was a pretty common conversation to be like "so, like, what's going to happen with conservatives? They can't keep living like this, you know, they're obviously in a race to the bottom." You could have this conversation with any liberal on a college campus, your professors in the humanities if you wanted, and they'd nod their head wearily, and say, "man, it's tragic, they've really just so lost" and then they'd call them racist hicks or whatever a few hours later. Again, I was just a college freshman, but that was pretty typical. If that spirit had pervaded to the bottom ranks, what was happening at the top?
if you don't own this in 2025, you don't love literature.
>>24968745>So you don't own a smartphone?Whataboutism. We're talking about ereaders.
>>24966640This is the first I've ever heard of Kobo being this bad. I've never had any problems with mine.
>>24968736>you WILL support amazon my kindle is second hand>you WILL make digital purchases nope. Anna's and MAM>you WILL keep spyware on you at all times jailbroken + have not turned on the wifi on it even once>you will own NOTHING (and enjoy it)I don't know anon, my library of epubs and its 3 separate backups would argue otherwise try again, or better yet learn a thing or two about how to use technology to your advantage
>>24966640>>24966646I've had my Kobo Nia since 2020 and it's kept chugging along. Not sure what the fuck you guys are doing lol
>>24970953>i duct taped my face
Will I like Anna Karenina if I'm an unapologetic mysoginist?
>>24970382Sounds very accurate of women in general, especially ones who spent their days on phones all day long while being a "homemaker"
>>24965698Read it so you can know what BPD girls are like. It should serve as a warning.
>>24971292Dating or marrying a woman who has had sex is disgusting. Dating or marrying a woman who has been in love with another man is even more disgusting. That said, 99% of women grow hopelessly in love with the guy who takes their virginity and never forget him. In general they never forget their first loves. Like I said, read The Dead by Joyce.
>>24965698My favorite chapter in this book and the one which I find myself constantly returning to is the one where Levin reminisces on his heartbreak after being rejected by Kitty, and how much anguish he's in that his lifelong desire to marry and share his love with someone has to be delayed yet again, and he desperately hopes that the news will come one day of Kitty announcing her engagement and he could put his memory of her to rest. He decides on being patient and focuses on his life in the estate so he doesn't have to bear the humiliation he endured. And then the harsh winter that Anna has just trapped herself into thaws into the most wonderful spring for Levin as he becomes a more rigorous person with the most beautiful descriptions of natural life and greenery that I've ever read before. Today the word of her engagement got back to me in the worst way possible and revealed just how deep the deception went and how much I was humiliated for nothing, but I feel no relief. I just pray to have a spring like Levin's so that this winter in my soul can finally thaw.
>>24972251Lol that was my favourite part too. Where he just focused on his homestead.
The shelves on my bookcase are saggingPls help me fix thisI need help
>>24971519>4cHaN iS aN AnImE bOaRd
>>24971788yes, anime imageboard, anime culture. meanwhile your reply: Reddit style, Reddit comedy.lurk more years before posting
>>24971812Then explain why trannies like you have containment boards. To which you should return right now.ACK!
>>24969793Imagine getting triggered by 2D
>>24971857
The bulk of western fantasy (yes even today) is based on Christian philosophy, or its bastard child humanism. Good and evil, sin and redemption, sacrifice, justice, moral character arcs, etc.The remaining works that aren't, are largely based on some flavor of nihilism or existentialism. There's nothing wrong with this, but I want something fresh. Off the top of my head the only western fantasy series that isn't really based on the above is the Earthsea series.
>>24972219A Hell of eternal torment becomes almost the fulcrum of this series' plot towards the end. The initial trilogy is also about a Crusade, the not-Christians are henotheist to distinguish them from the not-Muslims, but the latter are a lot more on the nose. There are addition direct or near-direct analogues to both the Bible as well as the Iliad.
>>24972027Aren't epic poems a form of proto-fantasy? The Odissey in particular with the protagonist meeting all sorts of mythological creatures in his long journey.
>>24972151Based on Norseshit (nihilistic) and is literal will to power Nietzsche-slop.>>24972219Undisguised analogue for the Crusades as well as a vehicle for Bakker's biological determinism.>>24972231Anyone on this board who isn't a retard agrees with it. >>24972373No, retard.
>>24972382>No, retard.Why not?
>>24972402Fantasy fiction is more than a series of cliches like monsters and magic swords, it's a distinct genre with its own history and rules. People writing fantasy fiction aren't creating something new, they're working within a genre that was created by writers like Eddison and Tolkien. Using "fantasy" descriptively ignores that. Norman Mailer wasn't writing fantasy when he wrote Ancient Evenings, but it still has a lot of fantastical elements. Same with Borges - it's schlock on the level of lowbrow fantasy, but he and most of the world thought he was writing literary fiction.Also fantasy writers know that they're essentially playing make believe. Homer believed in Poseidon, the Greeks had shrines to Odysseus and believed that they could visit the island that Circe or the Cyclops once lived on. It was real to them, but Middle Earth was never real to Tolkien and even less real to any author who wrote fantasy to make a buck.
KINOOOOOKINOOOOO ALEEEERT!!!!
spice level?
>>24972432this originally appeared on Kuro5hin.org, and is worth a read or two.
Varg is on his way to deliver the African children watermelon for Christmas ed.Old >>24967122
>>24972353The English didn't create the Indian they were there when we came, they stayed when we left, the only thing we are guilty of is educating them.
>>24972353When you think about it South America are just Spanish Indians>both shit in ponds, lakes, and rivers>both have regressive backwards cultures>both have a shitty language that isn't useful for anything>both think that they will someday dominate the globe>both think that their culture is superior despite 99% of them living in a third world shithole>both come to the first world and leech off of it and have no interest in becoming part of the culture or learning the language.
>>24972353Nigga what? Firstly I'm not even Anglo lol but the British didn't fuck and rape Indian women to create some Jeet-Anglo hybrid like you people did with the Aztecs. As >>24972356 said they we're too busy civilizing India
>>24972405*were fml I'm phoneposting
Are there any Estonian essays on the first canto of the Kalevipoeg? Just the first canto. I want essays of any type. If any Estonian anons are present and can translate one, I'd be heckin' happy. At least just a list of them.
