"classic" or transformative books you were tricked into reading that were just shit? I'll start
>>25182542A taco bender will unironically tell better stories than Pynchon. Also, that's rich coming from a burger flipper. At least tacos are good and not mass produced slop. >>25183093I do agree. I was just tired this guy kept mentioning Pynchon or DeLillo as the pinnacle of literature. Poe and Eliot may not be entirely great, but are much better options than these two.Pynchon and DeLillo are to real literature what Andy Weir is to real science.Lolita is the greatest 1900s american novel and it was written by a russian.It's clear that americans just don't understand art, they are hollow and sad beings.
>>25183201Pale Fire* but close enough anon, close enough. >>25183021Yeah you should kill yourself, or read literally anyone else other than some quirk chungus retard. McCarthy, Gass, Faulkner, Pound, Gaddis, Nabakov are authors you could have used if you wanted to make a better claim for longevity if you’re talking about writers prominent in the 20th century.
>>25183201>>25183268Lol, I'll knock your teeth out if you two talked this shit to me irl.
>>25181319A Confederacy of Dunces. I already know people are insufferable, irredemable assholes and it was a slog to read through it
>>25183307Resorting to comments like this only tells me you’re a retard who marches forth based only on his emotions. Please try to think like the rational animal you are, American or not, you’re still human.I’d like to see you try and lay a finger on me though, faggot.
Why does it seem that all anyone on this board wants to write now is either fantasyslop or sci-fislop?I have seen some decently skilled writers throwing themselves away writing the most derivative, infantile, autistic, Royal-Road-coded shit imaginable:>Narrowing his eyes at the approaching hoard of T’zendians, Klayden clenched his fist and summoned forth a burning shadow spear…Just stop! Is this all because you’ve watched a small handful of fat guys be moderately successful producing this gutter oil? Why can’t you write something real? Do you have no real life experience to draw from?Just downright right peculiar, thas’ all.
>write about the real world and whats going on in it from a white male perspective>all corners of society mysteriously coalesce to dismiss you as a wank nazi and bitter incel>quite literally cannot get a single word in because you arent allowed to>only viable "audience" is white men who are so bitter and jaded by the state of literature that they're a tiny base>choices are "extrapolate to the point where you are hegel levels of incomprehensible" or "dont write" because the plain white male truth as he sees it is radioactive to how modern culture functions>amid all this you have someone screaming NO STOP ENJOYING THOSE FEW BOOKS YOU ENJOY!!! STOP IT
>>25181062If it’s any comfort, my novel is a crime thriller because I hate fantasy slop.If I ever write fantasy in the future, it’ll be because I hate the genre and want to reinvent it.
>>25183223Hating fantasy is not a substitute for a personality.
>>25181252Bakker was tyring. I read the first 3 books, yes, but seeing the smarter between us lying through their teeth using religion to get what they want because no one else is blonde and have blue eyes while a horde of subhumans rampage the other side of the world so a disloyal whore can become empress is so bizarrely accurate to human condition I couldn't stand it, I crave for fable on a realistic setting and Bakker is too realistic with no fable
>>25181706>comfy>world mythologyngmi
what books to read to a baby so that it does not go full chud
>>25183213>Can't stop thinking about children's genitalsLooks like you have something in common with Emily Youcis' dad
>>25183233>dodges the pointI accept your full and unconditional surrender.
>>25183208not at all, it's simply asymmetric warfare with no rules of engagement, the bioleninist autoimmune infection has no consistency or rules either in its corrosive action, hence it ought to receive none in return, everything you hold dear is to be mocked attacked and weakened relentlessly regardless of its internal consistency, weapons are meant to be offensive they don't have to be sharp on all sides just the side that hitsso the clown yelling nigger on a plane is a punk hero of the humble people against the boring old moralistic establishment, deal with it
>>25183256Also, because a literal schizo in a burger king crown is less mentally ill than any tranny, ever.
>>25183256The end result of this one sided vice signaling culture war is an algosorted rw echo chamber that funnels people into terrorgram channels where they swap cp and groom kids into being mass shooters. You can always justify it by imagining the other side is worse and you'll always have someone to affirm that viewpoint because it's an echo chamber. This is "actually existing" yarvinism as leftoids say.
How do I stop doing this?
>>25181820posts like this are why I still come to this shithole
you basically have to develop discipline for it, like how you force yourself to go to work every day at the same time you basically just have to force yourself to read X amount of pages every day no matter what
>>25183209Reading shouldn’t be a chore, friend
>>25181785She is clearly preggo.You can tell from the breast bulk and face.Fat women have fat stored in their chin, and she doesn't appear to.
>>25181738Turn off your computer and open the book. It's shrimple
Philosophy of Flamenco books? Specifically philosophy: not history or art of flamenco.
>>25178871do you want us to go out and live life for you?
There is a small section on flamenco in Derek Bailey's "Improvisation: its nature and practice in music." I think that the field of critical improvisation studies might be the right track for you.
>>25178871My half-Japanese cousins are unironically accomplished flamenco dancers in a city-not-in-Spain
>>25182411very nice, were they in spain at one point? In my region there isnt much interest in flamenco sadly i thought about maybe writhing some dance schools, but as i said i need practical experience so they probably arent interested
>>25178871lol why would any of us know. theres probably like 2 other spaniards on the board.
put anyone, fiction, politics, philosophy, math ect.accepting putting two in same grid if they are similar and important enough to you as each other
>>25180134Nigga this is some entry level /lit/core. If you've been here 5+ years you should've read most of them already.For reference, I read:>Iliad (once), Odyssey (twice) I liked the Iliad more though>some of his greatest (Lear, Hamlet, Macbeth) and started my way through his early plays chronologically (up next is Julius Caesar)>Areopagitica, Paradise Lost, Paradise Regained>V., 49, GR>Moby-Dick, Pierre, Confidence-Man, Piazza Tales>Dubliners, Portrait, Ulysses, the first page of FW before dropping it>Nigger of the Narcissus, Heart of Darkness (yet to read any actual novel)>Crime & Punishment, Demons, TBK (didn't like Demons)>Buddenbrooks, Magic Mountain, Doctor Faustus
>>25180225huh. youre right. nevermind, my bad, sorry man
>>25180267If you weren't a newfag you'd know /lit/ likes the Iliad more.Shoehorning pynchon in there is just proof you've only heard of these other Classical greats. Unless you're literally 18 or something
>>25181141>If you weren't a newfag you'd know /lit/ likes the Iliad more.I only said it I like the Iliad more because I reread the Odyssey, but not the Iliad. I did so to prepare for Ulysses, not because I like it more.>is just proof you've only heard of these other Classical greats. Unless you're literally 18 or somethingAre you projecting something here?
Pizarnik, Trakl, Kafka, Perec, Ballard, Eliot, Bernhard, McCarthy
You have eyes but failed to see Mount Tai! EditionStubbed >>25172742>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>/wng/ authors.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25183303So you have nothing. As expected
>>25183305nah i know your type. you won't apologize when given undeniable proof. so i won't take the 2 minutes to do it for you because there's simply nothing to gain
>>25183312But you WILL take hours to argue about it anyway
>>25183139You gave me an idea>Something like Miraki Nikki where a bunch of people get different systems and fight over a period of time to determine who will be the Main Character>Every contestant is a parody of a protagonist trope>Emotionless aura farmer contestant that only cares about Number Go Up has a leveling system>Contestant that "just wants to live a normal life" has insane luck that constantly causes things to happen around him>Contestant that's like one of those power of friendship shounen MCs>Maguffin collector with an infinite inventorySo on and so forth
>>25183315well, yes, chatting on 4chan is mildly entertaining. same reason you're here lolbut i won't do the helpless zoomie's homework
I'm at a point in my life where I think I have a pretty good idea of what most people are like if I spend enough time with them, even if they aren't open about it. Except rich people, especially rich women. They're completely opaque, I can never know what they truly think or whether they really believe what they're saying. There's some non-rich people who also do that to me, but *all* rich people do it. It's like being unreadable is the essential skill to get there.I also recently heard of the "novel of manners" genre, is there something like that for the modern west?
>>25183059nigga any post without proper structure aint good wtfsamefag???
>>25183084Bad post
>>25183094Rude :/
>>25183059>>25183084Not a samefag, but I wrote it in almost a stream of consciousness style with minimal editing, so anon's criticism has a basis. In fairness, I was trying to synthesize a lot of the thread's points, not address specific posts.
>>25183052>>25183099>>25183084it was a good post The only people with control of their own time are really rich people and really poor people, the only difference is that really rich people have to keep up the race and really poor people have to sometimes race really hard
>What is /phil/ Philosophy General?A general for readers, students, and armchair thinkers interested in philosophy, whether it be Western, Eastern, analytic, continental, ancient, contemporary. We discuss primary texts, secondary literature, online lectures, podcasts.>Why read philosophy?Politics, science, psychology, etc. all began with or were inspired by someone who thought philosophically. Basically, if you are interested in just about anything, philosophy will help you better understand that subject. Because it is at the foundation of every conceptual institution made or discovered by humans, it is in the underbelly of human experience, and so it is worth taking seriously.>Why study philosophy formally?Surprisingly versatile and undervalued. Phil majors consistently score among the highest on the LSAT, GRE, and GMAT. Strong pipeline into law, policy, ethics consulting, AI alignment, and academia.Previous thread >>25146787
>>25181781What do you think about heidegger?
>But when I see an older man still engaging in philosophy and not giving it up, I think such a man by this team needs a flogging. For, as I was just now saying, it's atypical that such a man, even if he's naturally very well favored, becomes unmanly and avoids the centers of his city and the marketplaces--in which, according to the poet, men attain "preeminence"--and, instead, lives the rest of his life in hiding, whispering in a corner with three or four boys, never uttering anything well-bred, important, or apt.>Gorgias 485 d-e
>>25179996I only read from Aristotle forward. Dialogues confuse me.
I like Camus but I disagree. One must in fact, imagine Sisyphus blowing his fucking brains out, or repeatedly slamming a sharpened rock against himself.
>>25183080cool
Which hero from the three Greco-Roman epics is /lit/'s favorite? Picture of X-fags missing the point of the Iliad attached for entertainment purposes.
>>25182974The first half mirrors The OdysseyThe second half mirrors The IliadIf you think about the plot, you'll get it. He is undoing the conquest of Troy.
Imagine talking about the Trojan war and not discussing the primary sources
>>25183189Anchises' speech in the underworld is more kino than anything in Homer.
>>25183189>>25183304>Virgil shills appear for the aeneidOk what translation since i guess im missing something? Im guessing a lack of knowledge of roman history has also hindered me>inb4 learn LatinI havent even learned greek yet. Dont wanna do Latin 1st
>>25183127>if you remember the Iliad it is foretold that Aeneas can’t die because he’s foretold to found a great kingdom after Troy fallsAh yes I remember I didnt like it that he had plot armor.
Anyone remember this?So, did we finally see what anon's brother wrote about dragons? Whatever happen to that guy?
bump
Is this the most reddit book in existence? I'm finding it nearly impossible to finish due to the reddit prose >Ermm I'm in space...? And I'm a ... scientist? Come on, megabrain! Science this shit!
>>25163393films can get away with it since they are about spectacle, and the writing is a small part that can be compensated by cinematography, score, acting, etc. Jurassic Park is just as reddit but it's one of the best films ever made, even the most snobby film buff would agree.
>>25172473Oopsie daisy! Did I just insult your favourite boyband?
>>25178542What book is this? Surely YA?
>>25154576Go read Greg Egan's Diaspora then. Dropping books I can't keep myself reading did me wonders. Not a single millenial character in it.>>25155261>he beatles are the best thing since fried baconOne more success case for joint CIA-M16 psyops
>>25169770Wait so this guy isn't even a millennial then. And my question is why is there so much dialogue? I tend to not go past the first page if there is mostly dialogue. My last question is which millennial authors have written decent work?
Isn't "the unique one" or "the only" or "the ego", a product of society? It is produced by intercourse and womb and raised up and molded. No desires except the simplest, instinctual ones, arise within the individual, they are inputted from his world. His clothes, his language, his habits. There is also nothing the individual does per se, no more than a cell in his body does anything per se. All of his thoughts are woven from the material manufactured by countless other minds and forged by his imagination. He is constantly bombarded by messages and conditions, to have certain desires and drives and to find in these his sense of purpose. How are these subliminal or unconscious "spooks", less spooky than conscious ones? How is it that a union of individuals is a spook, but a conflicting bundle of desires and individual brain cells, is not?
>>25182964What is the difference between doing something for another rationalized as doing it for yourself (e.g. consumerism or fighting a foreign war under conditioning from war movies or books), versus doing something for yourself while rationalizing it as doing it for another? How is the latter more spooky than the former?My conscious ego and sense of identity and reasoning is a product manufactured by thousands of years and millions of people. It does not "evaluate things for itself" in any pure sense.The Ego is not external to reality and the division of the world into self versus reality, is an illusion, which cloaks the fact that the self is a product. The idea that selfishness is good of course predates Stirner as a capitalist concept, the idea that everyone being selfish is desirable economically is already present therefore also the incentive to condition this. By being selfish, it was argued, someone does better for the economy.
>>25182984Addicts are frequently in denial and insist they could easily quit any time they wanted. If they try to quit, they quickly find they cannot. Then rationalize it by saying they decided they did not want to quit after all.What is possibility? How much of it is just an illusion used for conditioning? Every man in America thinks he is a possible billionaire. Although obviously quitting opiates cold turkey is much more possible than that.Pleasure is not a spontaneous motion of the self. It is 99% a carrot which we cannot carefully examine because, according to Marxism, it transforms us from subject to object to do so, which unsettles us. We resent other interrogating our desires for the same reason a creationist is deeply uncomfortable with asking too many questions about prehistory. Out desires are our religion and capitalism stands by ready to give us complete freedom to practice it, for a price.>>25182993Of course it benefits you because whom you think are, is constructed and produced by society and perpetually updated by it
>>25182295Not sure why the buddha is on there since there is no "ego" in buddhism to speak of.
>>25183265Because Buddha is tired bro
>>25183279Never read the book but is languor a commonly explored idea with Stirner?
But if you think the writing is extremely amateur then are you implying you could do better? That you can actually write something that entertains a lot of people? Can you really, amateur?
>>25183244>still no brown 10 inch wrist postedI'll wait
I’ll give you credit, OP, you’re committed to your bait. But unfortunately in the process you’re making yourself look more and more like an underage third world retard. Hope you’re okay with that.>>25182892Yeah stay there tranny.
>>25183247What if I am a third worlder who is baiting?
>>25183247Well he's definitely esl
>>25183255I am indeed an Indian. Your guesses were right. What are you going to do about it?
I remember school and university, where trying to get good grades and paying attention in class made teachers and other students think I'm a nerd, when I would actually just study, say, math on my own, with a tutor, in class, read about it online and still barely pass exams and testsI easily learned english as a child, but when it came to learning a third foreign language in school I was very below average, one of the worst students in my group, it was humiliatingI've now tried to learn a few languages (French, German, Latin, Spanish, Russian, probably a few others I've forgotten too) and I've struggled with them a lot, even studying every day for 3 hours (I did manage to keep up that pace) would generally not net me anything. it doesn't help that there are so many charlatans in the language learning "hobby space" that you don't even know what "method" to use while learning a language. probably the worst thing is that language learning communities are full of intelligent people who have many languages under their belts and this is their special interest and you can't compare yourself to themI like reading books and don't really like video games or TV, so I spend a large chunk of my free time reading. I know a bit about history, philosophy, things like this which automatically make other people think you're intelligent, but it's a bit of an illusion and I've disappointed pretty much every teacher I've had in my life. in general I am a pretentious failure who is well read enough, knows about history, philosophy and thinks he's intelligent, so I can discuss things with other people, but honestly, with the philosophy that I've read it's more that I memorized the logic but don't actually understand anything at all. it would take one actually intelligent person who's read enough as me to show that I'm just a complete fraud and retardI'm too stupid and lazy to ever learn another language
>>25183092If you were really smart you'd be able to trick women into sleeping with you
Read Mere Christianity's chapter on pride
>>25183169or was it Screwtape Letters? I'm pretty sure both speak of pride so read both.
>>25180947I came to this revelation when I was a teen. Intelligence is measured by degrees. I’m a genius compared to normies, but I know in a room of real intellectual heavyweights, I might come off as a bit of a midwit. I don’t think there’s a solution to this aside from continuing to learn until you subconsciously overcome the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
>>25183146if you were really smart, you'd realize that sex is a meme and women aren't even remotely worth the time or energy
