Ever since the internet turned against atheism sometime during the second Obama term, “atheism” itself became a dirty word. Suddenly everyone who was an atheist just a few years before become an expert in Thomism or heyschasm, and decided that believing in evidence was cringe. Religious zoomers started acting like they “won the culture war.” Funny how that works. Since y'all are either literal zoomers who were toddlers during the heyday of new atheism or have the memory of goldfish, imagine it’s 1990 so you can understand why New Atheism mattered. You’re stuck in an evangelical megachurch. The pastor is telling you dinosaurs lived with humans, AIDS is God’s punishment, Israel is our greatest ally, and questioning anything means you’re going to hell. This is also the same institution quietly covering for youth pastors who “fell into sin,” preaching family values while funneling donations into private jets, and condemning divorce from the pulpit while half the elders are on their second or third marriage. This wasn’t fringe, it was normal. Teachers, politicians, parents all nodding along. New Atheism wasn’t about being edgy online. It was a backlash to decades of religious dominance that people memory-holed because 4cuck told them to. Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, were abrasive. So? That was the point. Polite disagreement didn’t work with creationist christcuck retards controlling the government and schools trying to ban stem cell research because muh “soulz”Now fast-forward to today and suddenly everyone pretends religion is this harmless aesthetic hobby and atheism is the real extremism. As if the progress of the last 30 years just happened magically. As if secularism didn’t have to fight for every inch. New Atheism didn’t fail. It succeeded so hard that people forgot why it existed and now they’re turning back the clock because irony poisoned their brains. But sure, keep pretending “both sides are cringe” while pastors are back on TikTok telling kids the Earth is 6,000 years old and Drumpf is bringing back dead jew worship in schools. Have fun when you're living in Christian ISIS and shitposting is banned. At least you owned le redditors online.
>>24952277Libtard-SJW support of New Atheism was, yes. But the actual new atheist movement itself didn't change its positions and remained against all religions, so that's not a critique of it.
>>24952220If you think Stalin was an orthodox priest I can't help youLet alone Hitler who was rather vocal in his hatred of Catholicism and Christianity as a whole
>>24952277Atheist activists have to admit to a certain degree of cowardice here. While yes, a lot of progressives had their own bone to pick with trads and the alliance with atheists was only situational, atheists also conveniently focused on christianity, because unlike muslims, christians do not tend to proclaim fatwas and send people with knives or bombs against the accuser. I can't say I don't understand them - it's one thing to oppose a respectable but hypocritical sociopolitical establishment, another to oppose people who are ready and willing to kill you.
>>24951979Sounds like the problem is Americans here
>>24952112Platonism -> neo-platonism -> orthodox theology
Sapient Species, Races, and Miscellaneous Sapients EditionFAQ:>What is worldbuilding?Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"Yes, of course you can!>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"Worldbuilding, as already stated above, and contrary to what many believe, does not inherently imply blatantly copying Tolkien. In fact, there are many science-fiction setting out there, and even entire alternative history settings which do not possess supernatural elements at all. Any kind of science fiction book has an implied setting at least, which involves a certain degree of worldbuilding put into it.Old Thread: >>24748733
>>24951559>Who made them?>Are they still being created in the present?>What is/was their purpose?>Are they mass-produced or crafted individually? How much variation there is? Are newer/older models better?>How likely they are to rebel or function not as expected? How does this typically manifest?>Do they have souls? If yes, does the soul just appear or is a soul a necessary ingredient to make them?>Can they reproduce themselves?>Do their bodies heal on their own? Or can they do their own maintenance?>Are they mortal?>Do they have any unusual physiological needs? (Drinking blood, charging with electricity, etc.?) How does this alter their life in the society?>Do they have any unusual physiological afflictions? (Falling apart from rust, etc.?)>Did their maker engineer a weakness in them accidentally or on purpose to keep them in control?>How numerous and widespread are they?>Does their existence have an appreciable effect on the overall economy?Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24949315Well I'm working on Alternate history with no supernatural elements or techno-magic. Point of Divergence is in the 1480s or 1490s.
Is there such a thing as self-colonization? A nation willingly volunteering to be an economic colony of a stronger nation in the hope of getting their protection and direction?
>>24952400>willingly volunteeringDepends on how loose your definitions of “willingly” and “volunteering” are.Obviously nobody would do that sans coercion because it’s fucking retarded.
>>24952405Their Emperor offered to put his subjects to work extracting and refining raw materials for the Megacorps of the top world power. The arrangement favors both parties. The royal family and nobility get access to advanced technology that they use to suppress the locals, while the Megacorps get cheap base products they can sell at high profits.
2025 is almost over. What's the best book you read this year?
>>24947281Sadly, Porn by Dr. Edward Teach
I will refrain from answering tonight as I have just opened a copy of No Longer Human (Osamu Dazai) and I can tell that it will be a contenderIt's short, this thread might still be up when my answer is ready
>>24947281I and Thou. I suspect a lot of fellow schizoid types could benefit from it as well
>>24948831You should read Sun and Steel
>>24949010I spent all year writing a book that’s similar. I’m querying agents with it right now, so we’ll see if it ever comes out.
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>>24951862Torture is instrumentally good. Punishments have what could be called a shock-to-pain ratio. Most modern punishments have low shock and high pain. The utilitarian answer is to maximize deterrence while minimizing suffering. Human minds are biased due to scope insensitivity, and thus a single moment of intense suffering has more of an effect on their minds than accumulation of moments of milder suffering, even though the total amount of suffering would eventually surpass that of the former. A human mind cannot grok their entire life all in one observer-moment. Low IQ people are more susceptible to this and struggle to plan ahead. Identifying individuals to execute could also be far more efficient than it currently is. If identifying individuals to execute is based on an accumulation of crime over a lifetime rather than as a conviction for a single crime, the law of large numbers would make false convictions far less likely to occur. Executing younger individuals has more long-term genetic impact on the human population, since those are the individuals most likely to otherwise reproduce.
I rode the bus yesterday and they added a memorial portrait of Rosa Parks near the front facing the entire bus, baka
>>24952385That's weird I took my car to work yesterday and there was a black woman in the front seat claiming to be Rosa Parks
I think the art of being to the point is gone, I don't know how many people I've heard on podcasts and youtube who say the same things 5 times and a 20 or 30 minute segment can be accurately cut down to 5 or 10 minutes.
Feeling depressed and I want to break up with my gf.
Why is it that all great minds of antiquity thought that love was more than a crude neurochemical reaction? Would they have been redpilled if they were alive after the 20th century when advancement in chemistry demonstrated that love/eros is basically just a powerful drug? Honestly explains many things about the current perception of love in relation to modernity.
>>24948955observation: the outliers that are gays, have problems with thing Xconclusion: thing x must be called into questionproblematic to be sure.
>>24945823>Love as we know it now is mostly a concept that arose around the time of Shakespeare, after the invention of the Gutenberg printing pressBytuene Mersh and Averil, When spray biginneth to springe,The lutel foul hath hire wyl On hyre lud to synge. Ich libbe in love longinge For semlokest of alle thinge. He may me blisse bringe; Icham in hire baundoun.An hendy hap ichabbe yhent; Ichot, from hevene it is me sent; From alle wymmen mi loue is lent,Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
It seems the main struggle is semantic and what love means. I think most people here agree the Disney princess rendition of love is fake and fabricated.
I'm a master of casuistry, you see. As regards "love" I am fully a reductionist-materialist. It's really just the ape brain of a pussywhipped bastard operating there.As for anything else, I can see soul, metaphysics and all the good stuff. So simp if you like; I'll be a materialist about it and laugh at you.
>>24945823LMFAO what a retard.
>>24951686And in this case, OP's would ironically be a better choice for a non poetic rendering and poetic rendering. Normally Loeb's do win out for getting you the meaning of the text, but this lady took less liberties and still managed to avoid the problems of metaphrase.
>>24951622Crinis almost always means the hair of the head, like tresses, but it is also used to refer to the tail of a comet: it would most likely not be used to refer to hairs on the neck, especially with the connection to a describing a comet which might be subtle imagery here, in which case streaming works well as a translation. It is certainly possible Ovid means the neck hairs but that isn't a definitive reading. Under the circumstances 'aross' is a reasonable translation of sparsum since it preserves the ambiguity of the image rather than imposing the translator's interpretation
>>24951951I'm just saying streams is such a great liberty when the whisps of hair at the neck have been eroticised everywhere forever. It gives the impression Ovid is carrying through the water nymph origin and the river answering her to write streams, and there isn't textual support for that. It's a poetic translation which doesn't hew to the original meaning, while OP's isn't really losing or inventing meaning or metaphor.
>>24952014I think the emphasis is on flight rather than erotism in this particular line. The hair is first eroticized, including Phoebus fantasizing about what various forms it could be in. Then it signifies motion: the hair that was hanging and an object of fascinating and fantasy is now disrupted. Then it signifies frozen stillness when it transforms into leaves; in seeking to capture the flux of beauty, he kills it, since the central theme of the Metamorphoses is, after all, process philosophy. Then at last it is resurrected to his original admiration as her hair is now made to entwine with his and becomes a symbol of style.
>>24951471No that's not obvious at all, you're just asserting that.
>anti-natalism is irrefutab-then let me kill you
>>24952376>materialismhow the hell is a scientific paradigm that is backed by hundreds of years of empirical evidence a "cope". found the christcuck. also, OP is a faggot because even if an anti-natalist said "yes" and provided an address, he won't do shit.
>>24952376I can't wait until Khalif Mamdani kills all christkikes
>>24952394Muh science
>>24952394if you keep increasing the resolution of your analysis in science, eventually you get to a point where it stops being purely material
I’m not an anti-natalist but they could reasonably respond you’ve made a false equivalence between never having existed and ceasing to exist. The primary concern of anti-natalists is basically utilitarian, it’s a calculation of suffering - if you kill me now I will suffer a lot for a little bit, people around me are also possibly going to suffer because of my death. None of that would have been the case if I was never born in the first place.“You always kill yourself too late” as Cioran says
>>24952081I can't even imagine holding this opinion. Serotonin felt so rough and off-the-cuff. I think it's his weakest.
>reading a translation of a French authoryou didn't actually read the book (I can't speak French btw)
>>24952103I read it in translation and in French. I prefer the translation.
>>24952084It's less cartoonish and more interesting for it.
I found it quite hard to read I could follow along with the plot easily but the discussions were very hard for me
Have you been able to leverage philosophy and literature in your career?Most classical literature and philosophy was intended to be appreciated by educated individuals whose enlightenment would advance their occupations as noblemen, administrators, warriors, poets, clergy, whatever. Even philosophers who had no other occupation taught law and medical students for practical application in their careers.
>>24952196>>24952196Wtf is that the masonic hand???? I thought based prussia was above such judeo-satanic machinations. What is this shit? Has the west always been like this??? No! The elitist prussian junker aristocracy was supposed to sit atop the heap in a beautifully regimented military hierarchy. No no no! Not like this. Why the need for secret societies? WHAT THE FUCK
>>24952196I have no career. I hedge all my bets on entrepreneurship in the not so distant future. My degree is worthless and I currently work in a low-status job performing menial labor. The gamble is using your liberal arts education to deconstruct society down to its frame so that you're able then exploit that under the hood knowledge for gaming the system in personal business ventures.
>>24952271Chad move, I feel the same way. Failing that, I plan to devote myself entirely to fermenting a coup d'etat. If I can allow myself one criticism of your plan, it's working at all. As long as you are paying taxes you are part of the problem.
no. i work an actual honourable job as a nurse so i have no need for this bougie wankery
>>24952196My love of philosophy and litearature hasn't provided much material benefit beyond the high 'verbal iq' that comes as a consequence. Which really just means being able to string together more than a few sentences coherently which can get you decently far in a white collar setting. But mostly it's just allowed me to have a rich interior mind that's allowed me to stay sane throughout my bleak working existence. If not for literature and philosophy I'd probably be abusing drugs and alcohol to get by and perhaps still be depressed on top of that.
The dregs of society pool together like the dirty puddles they tromp. Dublin is their city. Dubh Linn. Black Pool. The name evokes images of heroin rolling on foil. The Spire watches high over O'Connell Street, a lantern above the oily slick roads, taxis and buses rolling through them, like a needle penetrating the veiny patchwork streets.
>>24950354It's mine
>>24950354>>24950431Are you Irish btw?
>>24951012Yeah. Never been there though.
>>24946850except there is an actual town in england called blackpool and it's a shithole
>>24951643Dubh Linn (Irish for "Black Pool") is the original Gaelic name for Dublin, referring to a dark tidal pool where the River Poddle met the River Liffey, near modern-day Dublin Castle and Dublin Castle. This name, adopted by the Vikings as Dyflin, evolved into the English "Dublin," signifying the city's ancient origins at this key river junction, now largely covered by development.
Is this actually poorly written, or is that just the thing where they try to bash him any way they can (small dick, missing testicle, secretly gay, etc.)
>>24950051Germanic Perfidy
>>24942898>they go out and do shithe did, thoughtried to restart the roman empire
>>24950657>just mostly vibesPretty much
>>24942860>OP actually just reading the books he makes threads about challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
my biggest take away was that it undermined a shit load of /pol/ neo nazi talking points i saw repeated for years there. Hitler talks pretty bluntly about war as the central pillar of national socialism quite extensively, lays out his plans for large scale conquest in europe to turn germany into a literal physically large super nation like the US or China or Russia, talks about how it needs to be in europe and whites need to die because germany cant into overseas colonialism. even directly completely destroys the idea that "he just wanted german territory lost in ww1 back" by flat out mocking the idea and shitting anyone who perpetuates it (lol) honestly a really important book no matter what angle youre coming at it from and im happy retards didnt go around banning it because it is extremely enlightening i you want to cut through the propaganda and see what national socialism is all about straight from the horses mouth (its not good, in fact it is wildly retarded and self destructive)
>>24952356Sex projections more like.
If Mr. Gifs woke up in 2025 do you think he would be more like the left or the right
I regularly see threads on JP and Zizek but less commonly Jung and rarely Lacan.I have been reading Lacan on and off throughout the year and it has been pretty revelatory to me. If I were to try to take a stab at summarizing Lacan for anons that haven’t studied him, basically everything is fake and gay, anything not fake and gay is real, and >you are a subject beneath the fake and gay but not exactly a 1:1 product of the fake and gay. Your motif should be to recognize that to understand the real through anything fake and gay is impossible, therefore traverse the fake and gay knowing it’s fake and gay in accordance to your desire(TM). If anyone with more experience in Lacanian thought disagrees with my shit take, feel free to correct. Question: Why is Lacan not talked about as often as Freud and Jung are, or perhaps in general? Is his thought too subversive? Is it because he’s French? Pic related, worst mistake of my life
>>24952235>You seem to be criticising Freudian thought, which thought the unconscious was nothing more than repressed ego, rather than Jungian thought which pointed out that the unconscious is collective, innate, natural, prior to reason and wiser than reason.I’m critical of this sort of approach to the matter from any corner. Philosophise about mankind and you brush aside individual uniqueness, which a poet cannot do without self-damage. Religion, since you mention it, needs bite, and science can never supply the necessary teeth. Best enforced by drums, moonlight, masks (literal not metaphorical), flowers, divine possession.>brought about the next stage in the evolution of consciousness.here too is where I jib: consciousness doesn’t evolve upward into synthesis so much as return, again and again, to the same human (not cosmic) scale. The eternities of divine commonplace.
>>24952248You're philosophising right now, so your 'don't-think-just-experience' line rings hollow and naive. On what basis do you make these claims?
>>24952329Trying to show you something. Certain truths are damaged by being made too explicit. The poetic mind works in broken images.
>>24952343No they aren't. Symbolic imagery can be understood consciously. That's the major reason why we experience dreams or artistic impulses. The ability to understand symbolism this way is an essential part of psychic health and the major role of the ego in the psyche. Again you're just regressively romanticising the pre-conscious instead of uniting the conscious and the unconscious.
>>24952371Speech can dull a roses scent. Retreat into abstraction (away from too much joy or too much fear) and you at last grow sea-green and coldly die... Trusting your images, you assumes their relevance; mistrusting my images, I question their relevance. This is the way to understand your confusion.
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>>24951595OP does it this way because he's a lazy faggot who can't process raw data.
>>24951986>Nooooooo you have to do things more complicated
>>24951578 Seems like Moby Dick is popular.Its over.
>>24951578This shit is always rigged, boooooo
>>24951605What you mean to say is it was restarted over and over again because it wasn't coming out how the anon running it wanted
Is this the life all incels are so envious of? Truth is, most marriages were and still are much of hate towards the partner, if there is no passion to be found. And that happens for almost all couples if the other one is mentally unstable or otherwise literal child in a grown up body. Stoner was too good for Edith, but also a total loser for simping for her in the first place. They ruined each others lives and just kept going on with it. Also ruined the life of their child and made them an alcoholic. Can't tell if that life would be better than being without pussy desu (which Stoner did for most of his life anyway). So the question now is, how – if anyhow – should a man of intelligence pursue women? Just fuck a college pussy for a semester and be reminiscent of it for a lifetime like Stoner did?
>>24951131Personally I think i should be able to empty my balls into any woman I want.
Just finished this book today. Jesus it was fucking depressing.
>>24951464cringe
>>24951006It's 2025, we're post-incel now, be it homonationalist, NPNW, NTTW/NFTW, full on doomer, etc. We don't even give a fuck and we certainly don't want to get married. Technically I'm an incel but I refuse to label myself as one and associate myself with the dysgenic freaks and brownoids who do. Get with the times unc.
>>24952364fr bro's talking about incels wanting to get married lmao.
