I am autistic (diagnosed) and I get literally nothing from 'good prose'. It doesn't make me feel anything. This makes it really hard for me to read anything where the appeal is the beauty of language, because I can't see any of it. It becomes a chore and boring. Poetry is even more inscrutable to me. Should I just give up trying to read and focus on my autistic special interests? Or is there a way I can make myself learn to enjoy good writing?
>>25183218you're just low IQ, most people with ASD are.stick to pokemon
>>25183218If reading isn't already one of your autistic special interests, go with the interests and drop the reading.If you're interested in reading, I'd suggest going with philosophy. If you're strongly autistic and aren't looking for beauty of language, Aristotle could be a good start - try the Nichomachean Ethics, it's a really good text. I was like you btw. After I read a lot of philosophy something switched: you consider a lot of different arguments from different positions, learn a lot of technical vocabulary, and things begin to feel weird... You can predict where authors want to go, and poetic language starts sounding cooler, because at least it does something weird/unexpected. Stuff like Deleuze begins having sense not as a "literal" philosophical text but as a text that's doing something special with language. After that, you get to novels and poetry. You begin liking them because they seem like upgrade to language practices you got accustomed to, it's like watching weird porn after getting addicted to vanilla stuff.
Read national romantic literature. It's stuffed full of flowery pretty language. What cunt do you come from?
>>25183289Moslly genre fiction. But I tried a few recommendations here from /lit/ to try to get into "real literature" a few times at different periods but none of those ever clicked with me. Closest it ever got was reading Kafka, I thought Castle + Trial + Metamorphosis were good read, although I'm sure a lot of the intended meaning and subtext flew over my head.>>25183364I do like more visual ones, yeah. Music is similar though, it doesn't do much for me.>>25183372I don't like Pokemon. I like other JRPGs though.
Had to split my post because I kept getting "our system thinks your post is spam">>25183253>>25183387Reading is an interest but I mostly read genre fiction. I will try what you and the other anon here suggested. Maybe reading philosophy will unlock that within me too.>>25183415I am from Poland. But it applies to both English and my native language, I don't think reading Polish stuff in Polish helps with this.
we have had the philosophical debate around intoxicating consumables like alcohol, drugs and such since the ancient greeks. but what do we make of things like coffee and black/green tea? what did the old philosophers think of these? intoxicating? a useful tool? a crutch?
Just like with everything else, as Solon said, "Too much of anything hurts" and everything should be done in moderation.
>>25183400I don't remember where I read it, but there was this guy who wrote about how without coffee we never have had the enlightenment and the french revolution because a lot of the writers of the era loved to pull all-nighters where they used coffee as fuel for their intellectual projects.
>>25183408>enlightenment and the french revolutioniirc coffee-houses were a nice excuse to also get together and either talk radical ideas or start riots
>>25183400these things (coffee and tea) did not exist in their time
It has decent reviews on Amazon. Is it any good?
>>25180823You make characters scared/horrified/creeped out/etc, in a non-hacky way, and then the readers empathise with them. Pretty straightforward.
>>25180862QRD?
I'm tired, Mr. Gardner
You faggots convinced me it was good when I was a /lit/ newfag so I went out and listend to like half of a 12 hour Audio Book. The whole time going "When does it good good?"
>>25182636It really isn't good unless you've been lurking /x/ for many many years.>t. been in this shithole since 2007 and was shocked by how accurate a great many things in these books wereYour best options are Call of the Arcade or the self-titled Horror's End. Crocodile was another good one.>12 hours for any of these bookslol
Did any of you guys read mack daddy's new poetry book?
>>25177874Embarrassing
>>25177874This is a beautiful poem. Many (like the dasyus and danavas here) forget that the Lord Vishnu commands us to love each other. This is going to be a bestseller this summer in Kolkata, I tell you. Big Guru Daddy Mack has knocked it out of the park again!
Poetry is just awful 99% of the time
>>25177896Jason Bryan and Lewis Woolston.>>25179755t. never read Chamber Music or Pomes Penyeach.
>>25181658i think lewis woolston is too famous to have ever posted here
>suffering builds character>therefore we should increase the ammount of suffering
>>25182730>If you're in Hell you're cut off from God, and therefore have no hope or joy.Except that is false and protestant. You can escape hell if you repent and "serve" your time. Purgatory is the true place where you are severed from God, because you were not baptized/rejected God.
>>25183353Total bullshit
>>25183369Learn how the catholic afterlife actually works retard, instead of either repeating protestant divergence or popular normalfag retardation
>>25183353>>25183385>“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the ETERNAL fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’>“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’>“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’>“Then they will go away to ETERNAL punishment, but the righteous to ETERNAL life.”Matthew 25: 41-46
>>25183353Catholic doctrine of purgatory is retarded. What's the point of *this* life if 500 years in some other realm can guarantee you eternal bliss with God?
Where have all the serious, urbane, book-reading men gone and why have they been replaced with women?
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>>25182513you have intentionally not understood anything I'm saying so you can luxuriate in your anger. what an incredibly faggy way to live
>>25181326HEEEEY, the bitch is gross, but don't insult the heckin' doggo !
>>25183461I finally pinned the wriggly little worm down so he can't wiggle and squiggle his way out of his argument anymore and now he's switched to seething.lol, get rekt, dumbass
>>25183461He’s right though, you kept changing your position every time it was attacked. The majority of the people here on /lit/ are male. Now you might think that’s worth zilch, but think of it like a microcosm for people who (for the most part) like to discuss literature that isn’t genre fiction unless it’s in derision. If men aren’t reading litfic, then neither are women. Stop trying to pretend that slop literary fiction written by women ISN’T in large part to DEI bullshit. God, you’re annoying.
Fiction or non fiction. t.33 year old NEET.
>>25183046Is the light novel any good, anon? I might read it soon.
>>25183196It's not an LN, just a regular novel. It's decent but the anime is way more entertaining.
>>25183046The New Testament (all about NEETs) with psalms and proverbs. Let the psalms become your new video games, and the proverbs become your new internet wisdom cope.
>>25183046oblomov
>>25183046Did you enjoy your youth?
What does /lit/ think of this man and his works? Man that saw the writing on the wall and was broken by the modern industrial world or just a manchild that didn't like working?
>>25183501Pretty close to the definition of a talentless hack. Pure juvenilia read almost exclusively by people inexperienced enough to be tricked by his smelly 'bohemian' facade, anyone beyond their freshman year is definitely too mature to stomach garbage like Bukowski for more than a couple pages (and if you're unfortunate enough to find his poetry first, I'm sorry you had to experience that)
are there any pop-science books you've enjoyed?
>>25182792Submissive sycophants like you deserve to have their heads crushed with a mallet.
>>25182809U mad bro.
>>25182643It's not hyperbole, you get mad and wanted a strawman to take down.>This is literally the same argument for the "addictive" nature of social media.So ice cream is the same as heroin. Damn you're so smart! Really helpful to blur everything so now we consider ice cream and heroin as being in the same categorie. Thanks for muddying the waters.>libertarian theoryI wipe my ass with your theory, so does the rest of the world.>gambling just didn't exist before the state legalized itIt's about volume, dumb gorilla nigger. Is that the next thing you're going to blur? Some people gambled in Las Vegas so nothing changed when every human could gamble on the go from their phone 24/7 on literally everything.>Just don't use themHow about we ban them? Works better.>when are you going to stop using 4chan?Never. Do I need to point out the difference between a 4chan and an Instagram? I guess Meta just pumps money into research to keep you hooked for nothing since it´s just the same as an imageboard. Hey you should contact Mark Zuckerberg! You're a very clever guy and you should tell him he's wasting his money!
>>25183104>It's not hyperbole, you get mad and wanted a strawman to take down.Says the fag that cries and throws around threats of violence on the Internet lmfao.>So ice cream is the same as heroin. Damn you're so smart!A difference in degree is not a difference in kind. In principle both would be addictions (provided you buy into the dopamine argument used against social media) even if they vary in their "seriousness." And since when were we comparing ice cream to heroin? I was comparing ice cream to social media, which is the actual subject at hand.>I wipe my ass with your theory, so does the rest of the world.You and the rest of the world are total clowns. Which is why the world is shit.>Some people gambled in Las Vegas so nothing changed when every human could gamble on the go from their phone 24/7 on literally everything.That has more to do with the availability of the services provided by the Internet. Which doesn't have much to do with legalization. Piracy is illegal, yet tons of people do it because the Internet makes it easy to do.>How about we ban them? Works better.Again, privacy is illegal, how's that working out? And the erring reason binds, if someone comes to particular conclusion, like say placing bets on an app, it's immoral to use force to negate that person's judgement. If someone makes a bad decision as a result of their own poor judgement, it's up to them, no one else, to deal with the consequences. In fact by resorting to force, you're implicitly saying that you have no argument against it, and thus have no valid grounds to claim that you know better.>Never. Do I need to point out the difference between a 4chan and an Instagram?Let's look at the definitions of social media provided by the Cambridge English dictionary, shall we...>websites and computer programs that allow people to communicate and share information, opinions, pictures, videos, etc. on the internet, especially social networking websites:>forms of media that allow people to communicate and share information using the internet or mobile phones:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25183155>You and the rest of the world are total clowns. So you're saying... that libertarian was a utopic ideology not based in reality all along?
ITT: we post pictures and recommendations for liturature based on the pictures.
>>25181698A Certain Hunger by Chelsea G Summers
>>25182494Hogg
We should be more like the Japanese
>>25174044What are you a fan if right now?
>>25173636this is an old copypastabut still necessary it seems
>>25174149Why don't you read them again? I have a few that i like that I read again
>>25173586I'm gonna... I'm GONNA CONSOOOOOM
>>25180469bullshit, Japan has always had a culture of prostration. commoners on that island have always been forced to worship their overlord class, the social framework has simply modernized since WW2. contemporary Japanese consumerism is the result of hundreds of years of ruling classes conditioning regular Japanese people to treat their "superiors" as infallible and it shows in their complete submission to corporate flagellation
I remember school and university, where trying to get good grades and paying attention in class made teachers and other students think I'm a nerd, when I would actually just study, say, math on my own, with a tutor, in class, read about it online and still barely pass exams and testsI easily learned english as a child, but when it came to learning a third foreign language in school I was very below average, one of the worst students in my group, it was humiliatingI've now tried to learn a few languages (French, German, Latin, Spanish, Russian, probably a few others I've forgotten too) and I've struggled with them a lot, even studying every day for 3 hours (I did manage to keep up that pace) would generally not net me anything. it doesn't help that there are so many charlatans in the language learning "hobby space" that you don't even know what "method" to use while learning a language. probably the worst thing is that language learning communities are full of intelligent people who have many languages under their belts and this is their special interest and you can't compare yourself to themI like reading books and don't really like video games or TV, so I spend a large chunk of my free time reading. I know a bit about history, philosophy, things like this which automatically make other people think you're intelligent, but it's a bit of an illusion and I've disappointed pretty much every teacher I've had in my life. in general I am a pretentious failure who is well read enough, knows about history, philosophy and thinks he's intelligent, so I can discuss things with other people, but honestly, with the philosophy that I've read it's more that I memorized the logic but don't actually understand anything at all. it would take one actually intelligent person who's read enough as me to show that I'm just a complete fraud and retardI'm too stupid and lazy to ever learn another language
>>25181017>most people on 4chan are above average intelligencecrazy shit to be saying
>>25180947>>25181027>muh logic>muh i can't learn languagesit is you believing these things make you unintelligent that makes you unintelligent
also OP you seem to be confusing being well-read with being skillful. you are probably decently well-read but not skillful. skill is about getting certain things like writing/woodworking/singing/programming/etc. down to muscle memory through years of practice. being well-read is about having a bunch of facts/dates/names in your head on demand. in my opinion and in the opinion of most of the people i talk to, we would prefer to know people who are skilled rather than well-read. however, if this makes any sense, you seem skilled at introspection and being humble, and i find that admirable myselfmy advice, if you want it, is that once you see yourself actually get better at a skill it becomes a bit of an addiction to get better at from that point on. i recommend trying to learn specifically Italian to a basic speaking proficiency, having a bit of a celebration for yourself, then pushing yourself even higher. writing down observations you see from native speakers on youtube or twitch will immerse you way better than just reading books or rote memorization of grammar. no specific method beats raw practice. in bocca al lupo
>>25180947>probably the worst thing is that language learning communities are full of intelligent people whoI'll stop you right there buckoan intelligent person does not learn a language unless he needs it for something (sex, money, or other freudian stuff)... and if he actually needs it, there is zero change it will waste any time on some "hobby space"
>>25181027>but everyone I know thinks I am a legitimate genius.does not have to do with YOUR iq but with theirsI've seen 70 IQ people worship me because I could turn on a computer. does it take X IQ to turn on a computer? no. does it take 70 IQ not to know you could also do it? yes.
what books to read to a baby so that it does not go full chud
>>25183256Also, because a literal schizo in a burger king crown is less mentally ill than any tranny, ever.
>>25183256The end result of this one sided vice signaling culture war is an algosorted rw echo chamber that funnels people into terrorgram channels where they swap cp and groom kids into being mass shooters. You can always justify it by imagining the other side is worse and you'll always have someone to affirm that viewpoint because it's an echo chamber. This is "actually existing" yarvinism as leftoids say.
>>25182919He understands. He's a liar just like all his western assets.
>>25183175>Epstein hated Trump.but trump loved epstein... much to consider!>>25182512the adam friedland show is my favorite center-left podcast
>>25183180I want recommendation from non chuds about how to stomp the chud out of my baby.Chuds will be put in camps when Kamala bros rise up in 28
>spends over a decade (70s-80s) physically weak and emotionally numb due to undiagnosed hypothyroidism>his mother dies at 57 and his son is born, he can't feel anything at either event because of the disease fucking with his mind and body>is basically a walking corpse when he finally gets diagnosed after years of doctors not knowing what was wrong with him, doctor tells him he should be dead>wakes up one day in 1999 to find his 18-year-old son Eddie suddenly dead of meningitis the morning after he appeared mildly ill with flu>gets such a bad case of covid he almost dies, has to be put into a coma for over a month, wakes up blind in one eye, deaf in one ear and has to painfully re-learn to walkAll this, and he writes the most whimsical and joyous poems and stories for children. How does he do it?
The indomitable human spirit.
You write about what you don't have.
What do you think about D.H. Lawrence? Have you read any of his novels/ poetry?
>>25182664>i proved you wrong because I say I did!Email your mom the link yet?
>"When I read Shakespeare I am struck with wonder that such trivial people should muse and thunder in such lovely language."Never read this D.H Lawrence character in my life, but I already like him...a lot.
>>25179048Glad to see others have already recommended later not quite so well-known novels, Kangaroo and The Plumed Serpent. Regarding his poetry: he was a very talented user of strict forms who wrote some really nice lyrics earlier on; later volumes, like Pansies, develop a loose free verse that it like transcribed talk, fortunately very interesting talk. There is a great volume of Complete Poems published by Penguin, I recommend.Lawrence was amazingly productive; he was capable of exceptionally good writing in both prose and verse; naturally enough, not everything he wrote is up to his own best standard.
>>25179060If Dialectical Materialism is correct and metaphysics doesn't exist and it's all just Physicalism then...Why is fascism wrong?
>>25182856when he's bad he's exasperating, when he's good he's exhilarating. worth reading
