I remember school and university, where trying to get good grades and paying attention in class made teachers and other students think I'm a nerd, when I would actually just study, say, math on my own, with a tutor, in class, read about it online and still barely pass exams and testsI easily learned english as a child, but when it came to learning a third foreign language in school I was very below average, one of the worst students in my group, it was humiliatingI've now tried to learn a few languages (French, German, Latin, Spanish, Russian, probably a few others I've forgotten too) and I've struggled with them a lot, even studying every day for 3 hours (I did manage to keep up that pace) would generally not net me anything. it doesn't help that there are so many charlatans in the language learning "hobby space" that you don't even know what "method" to use while learning a language. probably the worst thing is that language learning communities are full of intelligent people who have many languages under their belts and this is their special interest and you can't compare yourself to themI like reading books and don't really like video games or TV, so I spend a large chunk of my free time reading. I know a bit about history, philosophy, things like this which automatically make other people think you're intelligent, but it's a bit of an illusion and I've disappointed pretty much every teacher I've had in my life. in general I am a pretentious failure who is well read enough, knows about history, philosophy and thinks he's intelligent, so I can discuss things with other people, but honestly, with the philosophy that I've read it's more that I memorized the logic but don't actually understand anything at all. it would take one actually intelligent person who's read enough as me to show that I'm just a complete fraud and retardI'm too stupid and lazy to ever learn another language
>>25180947Reading a lot can easily trick others and yourself into thinking you are smarted than you actually are. I know from bitter experience.
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>>25180971it really can do thatI like reading for the sake of reading, because it's interesting to me, but I'm just as unintelligent as I've always been, it's just that reading books is not really that common these days, so reading famous works will impress othersI really would like to learn another language though, it's just that it's such a demotivating struggle>>25180987lol
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>>25180941My point is more knowing such meme characters, or any character really, shouldn't be a prerequisite of posting on 4chan.Oh speak of the devil (hehe, nice pun). Fortunately I've read Berserk (though I did have to look up the name to remind me) but still, this is silly.
>>25180951I got Griffith too in my last one.
>>25180940In Search of Lost Time. Two years of on-and-off reading.
>>25180956Still haven’t finished it, Swann’s Way was amazing but I didn’t enjoy some of the subsequent volumes AS much. I will, one day finish it.
it just asked me for the correct argentinian skin color
You have eyes but failed to see Mount Tai! EditionStubbed >>25172742>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>/wng/ authors.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25180928homo
>>25180915It's not. It's in indented.
>>25180933
5/5
>>25180927>writes a world of only men>claims it isn't gay
>greatest writer at the time of his death>had a vast library containing tens of thousands of books on every subject under the sun>reached advanced proficiency in math and physics for fun (a member of SFI said he matched most professors in those subjects)>had a large circle of friends from every discipline; his best friend was the inventor of the quark>didn't own a computer, use a smartphone, or have any internet presence whatsoever, not even an email addressCan we just admit that computers are the bane of creativity?
>>25180807>inventor of the quark
>inventor of the cock
>>25180807>inventor of the quarkAnyway, it just so happened that he lived in a period where computer/internet usage was not so integrated and needed for proper functioning in urban society. You shouldn't mistake this correleation for the very reason that he was good at writing obscurantist non-canonical novels for midwits.
>>25180807>inventor of the quark>greatest writer at the time of his deathPynchon is still kicking, I don’t think he’s as good as what other people think, but he’s better than McCarthy. Not a fierce competition in the 2020s regardless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrUy1Vn2KdI theres a mac in the background of this interview visible at 0:26 lolif you know how to parse the overwhelming knowledge online computers are actually an incredible asset. a few decades ago all of the knowledge we have wouldve been paywalled behind college tuition, but now the only wall to understanding this stuff is time and discipline. cheer up. the potential for personal development is higher than ever
So... the good guys won?
How are the Consult the good guys? If someone like Esmenet isn't damned, you have to be a pretty terrible person to warrant eternal damnation.
>>25179550I thought it just remained active after he was showing it to the group and Proyas started sperging out.
>>25180895That's a possibility as well. That and the one cant he tries activating it seems the most likely. But >>25179335 is simply wrong, its presence is never explained.This might just be Bakker not wanting to spoil the outcome and then not thinking to have any internal reflection on it later. Or it could be intentionally vague as when the Cishaurim keep spotting Akka and Zin making it into Carascand at the end, but then turning their gaze away (presumably the work of Moe?)I mean, why else would they ignore a sorcerer with the Mark entering the city? But then that suggests that Moe knows he is a path to the Gnosis for Kellhus, which means Kellhus surely knows.Also, he starts setting up the cuckolding and fuckery before he goes to the library.
>>25180666>666nice try, demon
>>25157323Bakkerfag is Danish.
Chtorr editionHere we discuss any kind of science fiction and fantasy.>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>>25180783it's okay anon i am not mad that you are not into my favorite series
What fantasy series would make the best vidya?I think Wheel of Time could be a pretty interesting world to explore
>>25180831TemeraireFly on a dragon and have Mass Effect-esque conversations with companions.
>>25180389The series is more of the same. If you liked the Belgariad you'll probably like the Mallorean. The first book was slow but the series starts to find its identity again in the second. I took a break before starting the Mallorean and I think that was a good idea.
>>25180783What's pon?
Either regularly or now and again count>Granta>DIAGRAM>New Yorker>Ploughshares>Paris Review>Heavy Traffic
>>25179196Nope, the cultural invasion is complete unfortunately. They've fully barricaded the arts against aspiring white guys. The proof is in the product, unceasing political slop lightly touched with narrative.
>>25179196that would require people other than foids and fags to read, and like it or not, american literary culture is kept alive by foids and fags. everyone say thank you foids and fags. I'll start. Thank You Foids And Fags
I've enjoyed a few stories from Volume 0, but it's mostly foidslop as you'd expect
I'm surprised that The Stinging Fly is so good, but I guess I shouldn't be. Nation of poets and writers, I guess. Irish journal. Has a good press attached to it to
>>25180310I've seen the Stinging Fly recommended before (by the author of Brat when he was posting here), but I don't think I've read anything they've published. Anything good of theirs online you could link?
>Conrad, Joseph. A favorite between the ages of 8 and 14. Essentially a writer for very young people. Certainly inferior to Hemingway and Wells. Intolerable souvenir-shop style, romanticist clichés. Nothing I would care to have written myself. In mentality and emotion, hopelessly juvenile. Romantic in the large sense. Slightly bogus.
>>25180572neither >>25180568 or whoever's in the "other thread" is me anon. i am now curious though... but if you were talking about >>25180568 that was marginalia in his personal copy.
>>25175823why should I listen to a guy whose most known for writing a pedophile book
>>25180890Pale Fire is much better. But you haven’t or won’t read anything written by him (or anyone else for that matter) so there’s no point in me telling you to read it.
>>25180894what's the point of your post then
>>25180919There wasn't one.
>spend years and years working on a novel>reread it>realize half of it is unusable trashwhat do I do now?
>>25176809>he thought the first draft would be good
>>25177313Most of the world doesn't care to write a novel.
If you're not competent enough to write a dazzling novel that needs a minimum of reworking after one draft, face that you're not at the level of novel-writing at all. You should work up to it by degrees. Start with short stories, compile a collection, and then go novella, novelette, and novel. But launching into a novel without first doing the spadework is a recipe for disappointment.
>>25180286T.someone who doesnt write
yeah that post reads like somebody who has a very theoretical understanding of what skills are. failure so horrible that you blush thinking about it in private is a necessary part of learning and only being a teacher's pet in public school can convince you otherwise. never trust someone who uses perfect punctuation and grammar on the internet. keep failing and keep exposing yourself to new styles of stuff
I'm at a point in my life where I think I have a pretty good idea of what most people are like if I spend enough time with them, even if they aren't open about it. Except rich people, especially rich women. They're completely opaque, I can never know what they truly think or whether they really believe what they're saying. There's some non-rich people who also do that to me, but *all* rich people do it. It's like being unreadable is the essential skill to get there.I also recently heard of the "novel of manners" genre, is there something like that for the modern west?
>>25180706lol kid modern rich people dont have manners, they have circumstances and accessperhaps in the past manners mattered. unless youre dealing with serious wealth and somebody who managed to not become a complete asshole.but yeah, real money can do your whole life's achievements in an afternoon. cant really go around saying that, unless its to the bros at the club
>>25180712*not if you aren't educated. Luckily yiu are on /lit/ so you mustvenjoy reading. Not sure how far behind you are. If very far behind start learning about critical thinking and learning comprehesion skills. If you are at a normal baseline pick a few greek philosophers and progress into more and more modern thinkers.
>>25180758I'm educated in the technical skills sense but not in the society sense. At all.>If you are at a normal baseline pick a few greek philosophers and progress into more and more modern thinkersThis is what I imagined based on >>25180712. I hope it's the actual answer. Thanks anons.
>>25180706You just grew poor. You have representations and cliches that help you understand the world but you haven't built one for this part of reality yet. They're just as idiotic as the rest of them
>>25180932dont tell me a millionaire is rich to you
>1 books completed>3 books behind schedule
>>25179300sure thing kat williams
>>25179300>>25179308>>25179351You read for enjoyment, for learning new (for you) ideas and concepts and to be able to understand fully more complex and/or historically formed from previous sources ideas and concepts, which in addition to better understanding of world, man, logic and other various entities and their structures also leads to more enjoyment of better quality and better variety of it.So reading certain books you don't like, that nevertheless are the foundation of some books, concepts and ideas, that came later, if only as a thing refuted by those newcomers, is important to properly understand this newcomers in the first place.Which is precisely why "start with greeks" is a good advice even when it is parroted mindlessly.
>>25180499>Which is precisely why "start with greeks" is a good advice even when it is parroted mindlessly.Some of the earliest greek philosophy is just obvious if you grew up somewhat educated but didnt read a ton of philosophy. I always feel like i need a more abridged list of books when reading greeks so i dont read redundant shit.
>>25180190this is a literature board and you haven't read a single work
>>25180764wdym? he read hyperion
What could be finer?
Are you part of any literature groups? Book clubs, writer guilds, author-orgy-groups, etc.?If so, do you like them?If not, do you wish you were?
>>25178214>Bars count, I suppose.Would not go to stand-up comedy, but would go to see a cute girl lead stuff aloud (and enjoy a beer at the same time).
>>25173916I once joined some local book club on discord but the the discussion there was very cringe so I didn't participate much.
I'm part of two writer's groups. One is super cool and chill, and has one professional author. It's a small group. But there's some really awful writers sharing their novels and I'm tired of reading them. Recently some autistic girl who overshares has been trying to get her book critiqued but she doesn't read anyone else's stuff. She gives fake critique, says nothing specific, and just parrots whatever someone else said. When she doesn't just openly admit she "didn't have time" to read it. The other group is larger and worse. There are two guys I like. They write good stuff. There's also a professional author in this group, but she's an SJW who thinks rape jokes are off limit. None of them understand what prose is. They just talk about trigger warnings. And half of them never say anything. Sometimes I've gotten my story returned, where they printed it out and wrote nothing on it. Last year some girl wrote some really heinous Chuck Palahanuik torture porn type shit, with rape, vivisection, domestic abuse, pedophilia, bind break, etc. Really dark shit, but it was a good story. This gets a pass from everyone. But if you make a joke about roofying a girl-- oh boy, no, no, no, that triggers me.
>>25180552>They just talk about trigger warnings.>Sometimes I've gotten my story returned, where they printed it out and wrote nothing on it.they are just fishing for a high value idea that will be their golden ticket to a position of poweronce they get it, they will forward it to a committee (most probably linked to China because there is nobody else left, the Democratic party has other priorities...), that will refine it and get one of their stooges to write (or at least will try to write, as they basically shot themselves in the foot with hyper-nepotism) a top-selling novel out of itit's how writing science fiction worked in the Soviet Union e.g. Stanislaw Lemit's obvious that they can't do anything with "politically incorrect" stuff... actually it reminds me of Kurt Vonnegut who got a letter from a young writer-wannabe who did not know what to write about, and he threw him like three dozen GREAT ideas (as judged by me, they all sounded incredible... much better than Vonnegut's novels in fact lol) and said that he had thousandsno, I could not find said list, I saw it in a documentary about the dude, and they read out only a few / showed the first page of the letteryes you may use my "idea" about the chicom harvesting authors, if you want to, I don't mind
>>25180574Weak
Which hero from the three Greco-Roman epics is /lit/'s favorite? Picture of X-fags missing the point of the Iliad attached for entertainment purposes.
>>25179066>Achilles is a force of natureTrue. But please, men, find yourselves other heroes to imitate and relate to because I don't want to keep being forced into bisexual scenarios to accommodate you.Only some of you will understand this lol
>>25180597I blame the hand women keep forcing in Achilles' life against his consent.Somehow because Achilles' loves men, women feel they have a kinship and can self-insert into his story??? I dont know the reason really.If women want to make a female version of Achilles a la Skyros, which then prompted the creation of plays in which women would act in his role then they would do better choosing a hero that even wants association to females in the first place so that kind of shit stain doesn't linger around my life.Good fucking lord Im sick of women and their sexuality. Such bad feelings all around.Youd understand if you were being sexually harassed by men.
>>25178878Achilles is not meant to be an emulatable ideal hero. He is basically a god-king trapped in mortal form because Zeus subverted the succession prophecy.>>25178905>>25179245Bizarrely he's the only one who goes to Elysium according to Homer. Is this some sort of compensation for fucking up his marriage? Who knows.
>>25179245I dont remember the last part. He fights pretty actively in the war.
>>25178878Hector obv
Clark Ashton Smith editionNotable Authors: H.P. Lovecraft, Thomas Ligotti, Robert Aickman, Clive Barker, Edgar Allan Poe, Algernon Blackwood, Shirley Jackson, Stephen King, William Peter Blatty, Robert Bloch, Bram Stoker, Mary Shelley, Edogawa Rampo, Arthur Machen, Ambrose Bierce, M.R. James, Sheridan Le Fanu, Brian Evenson, William Hope Hodgson, Clark Ashton Smith, Frank Belknap Long, Ramsey Campbell, Caitlin R Kiernan, Laird Barron, Jack Ketchum, Richard Laymon, Brian Lumley, Stefan Grabinski, Peter Straub, and many many moreDiscuss your favorite horror tales in both short and long form. What have you read lately? What do you want to read? What's a work of horror fiction or an author who you want to recommend?
>>25178574In paper?
>>25178574I know those are cheap, but honestly most of them are on Anna's Archive for free and that's where I get them from.
>>25125217discordgg/zfVbW8yZm
>>25178574>>25179034>>25179937Del Rey has a nice selection of Lovecraft-inspired weird fiction collections.
>>25180502Do they still publish those?
