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Belief has underwent the following pattern:
Polytheism->Monotheism->Pantheism->Atheism->Nihilism
How is it going to end? Or have we reached the end? Is there any going back at this point?
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>>24737999
I'm not even an atheist you retard
>from this post alone I can tell you more than likely suffer from depressive phenotypical expression
Wonderful compassion you have there. Someone disagrees with me therefore they must be mentally ill and therefore lesser. How Christlike of you
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>>24738004
Grow up mate
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>>24737893
Those are all superficial expressions. We have all always worshipped the monad
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>>24737983
you mean ockham's nominalism, right? you can thank divine command theory and other heresies for throwing out aristotelian metaphysics (which the Catholic Church still uses)
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>>24738034
Then you didn't understand.

>killed wife
>mogged every Beat writer
>mogs every post-modern writer (including Pynchon
>one of the most successful and influential writers of all time and never had to sellout or write slop for the masses
>lived a genuinely interesting life and corresponded with genuinely interesting people
>was a messiah-like figure to boomers' favourite rockstars, even though he didn't care for them or their shit music
>lived till 83 despite being a drug addict for most of his life
No wonder he makes /lit/ seethe so much. He lived every writer's dream.
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>>24730201
>He lived every writer's dream
Shooting your wife because you like it up the ass doesn't sound like my kind of dream desu, but each to their own
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>>24736921
>>Shooting your wife
That was an accident you christcuck piece of shit
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>>24736942
>Spend your life getting bottomed out in Harlem and Germany until your asshole is like an old V-neck shirt
>Finally get a wife and kids
>Kill wife
>Leave kid behind and search for more drugs
Yeah, what a hero
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>>24736971
Based chad and a destroyer of christcucks
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>>24736921
Depends on the wife t.b.h.

This is a thread for decadent literature...
Charles Baudelaire
Paul Verlaine
Stéphane Mallarmé
Arthur Rimbaud
Joris-Karl Huysmans
Ernest Dowson
Lionel Johnson
Aubrey Beardsley
Oscar Wilde
John Gray
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>>24736958
>decadent literature
So 99.99% of new books for like the past 80 years.
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>>24736970
I expected satanists put more thought into their poetry but it's just:
>le satan, god
>I praise thee
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>>24737470
>In the 1860s Rops had developed an acquaintance with a Madame Duluc and her two young daughters, Aurélie and Léontine Duluc (age 14 and 17 respectively at that time). A few years later, not long before the estrangement from his wife, he began a ménage à trois with the sisters, apparently with their mother's endorsement. He had children with both, although one child died at an early age.
Um, based?
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>>24737590
It's not a satanist's poem, it's Les Litanies de Satan by Baudelaire
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>>24738014
It literally says in the 2nd line:
>Glory and praise to you, Satan

If that's not satanist I don't know what should be considered as such.
Or maybe there exists such context that makes this verse non-satanist but das hard to believe. Can you provide me with that?

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If someone intends to do good but causes harm, are they morally guilty?
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>>24735426
What the fuck are you on about
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>>24735348
Deontologically no.
Consequentially yes.
Analytically unanswerable because the question is meaningless.
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Moral indignation is envy with a halo and literally all questions of morality go back to the Golden Rule. I'm actually surprised people still bother with it in 2025.
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>>24735897
You can be judged guilty by your social peers without the need for legal process.
And you can feel guilty and condemn yourself for the consequences of your action (as you should, for your retarded post.)
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>>24737221
Nope. Any society has rules. Those who break them show a disregard for society.
Despite the profusion of edgelords posting on /lit/, humans remain social animals with a profound interest in social cohesion.

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Haha Jewish people are funny
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>>24737656
>Whats the deal with the J in Jews?
>You can't drink them but they do give people the ewwws.

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If you read this book while listening to Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon you will notice the song matches it perfectly. Any books that explain this phenomenon?

tyrion stroll edition

ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Blog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/
So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/
Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdy
General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

old: >>24704184
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>>24737586
de gustibus. i've read well-written fanfics with both premises
they sure are more interesting then re-hashing canon from a slighty different pov
also it's what the vast majority of readers want
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>>24737172
I think Ned would have to fight the KG first but I’m pretty sure that’s the case, more protect him and eventually when he’s older tell him who he is.

>>24737326
Pretty much, he planned on pretty much hand waving their arcs with the time skip.
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>>24737597
I'm fanfic anon. For clarity, it wouldn't be rehashing scenes just from the knight's POV. It would branch off into their own story/arc. I think I might just write up the first chapter this weekend. Won't post again until I have something to show for (I promise, I'll be out before Winds). At the very least the thread can have something to dunk on if it's bland/slop.
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Dany's house with the red door made me think of my house with the red door. A life that's long gone.
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Fact: Only tower niggers make excuses for George.

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A friend keeps urging me to read this. I know the premise. Is it actually going to be entertaining or interesting? Will it be thought-provoking? Or just a bunch of racist drivel?
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>>24736991
honk shoo mi mi mi
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>>24734918
>black people
>"kill all criminals, except the black ones!"
>white people
>"kill all criminals, even the white ones!"
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>>24734981
>GDP doesn’t have much to do with intelligence, wealth production is mainly made by monotonous work in factories and other simple laborers, high IQ individuals, bosses, engineers and ceos have more workers and they’re also better off.

You're missing what actually holds thirdie countries back, corruption and a desire for social parasitism. India is as poor as it is not because the people there are stupid (although they are), but because they're trying to live off one another instead of producing things. Government jobs are patronage networks for your caste and clan, and they fatten themselves by taking bribes. South Africa degenerated into a typical African state pretty rapidly after apartheid ended, not because they lost all their white cognitive talent, but because the corrupt blacks couldn't help themselves and started feasting on government funds.

This is the "middle income trap" that you see many thirdie countries fall into, where they reach the limits of secondary sector development and can't break into firstie levels. Brazil and Malaysia are both prime examples of this. Malaysia could almost certainly be raised to first world levels by having the Chinese there rule over and disenfranchizing the Malays, the same way White South Africans managed to carve out a developed economy out of South Africa. But because the country is filled to the brim with Malays happy to take bribes, give themselves special privileges and be corrupt, the country remains poor. You can have cognitive talent but still have the retards running shit, or the envious poors demanding their slice of the cake.

This is what will make western countries third world -very- fucking rapidly in the coming years. White people are basically the only ones left not practicing open and brazen nepotism and doing mass tax avoidance, but they're starting to wake up and see what other races are doing, and will sharpen their own tools of corruption.
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>>24735034
Go read court cases from Rotherham, or read on the German festivals with all the rapes. Already in Europe the migrants and refugees are enslaving and raping white women. It's shocking because that's what happens when you're conquered.
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>>24734824
>West’s adoption of mass migration was a desperate attempt to revitalise the aging demographics and GDP.

No actually, it was pushed for ideological reasons and the political left got it started through moral blackmail. "You have to let them in or you're racist".

If the west was desperate and just wanted money, they'd do what South Korea, Israel and the Gulf States do. They'd get foreign migrant workers in but -never- let them have citizenship, and deport them the second they're not useful. Imagine the "Muh human rights" pushback we'd receive if we even floated that idea as the only form of non-white migration.

It's disingenuous to suggest it's all down to capitalists wanting to make a quick buck. The political left has a lot of blood on its hands for what its done, and you're not able to wash it off that easy.

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>>24734919
You're going to need a gun to do that :^)
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>>24737932
>It blows my mind that this is the sort of shit people think they're going to get from reading Aristotle
like Nicomachean Ethics?
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Oh my SCIENCE! Philosophy is done for. Bazinga!
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>Philosophy is prior to Science
>Science can't give us ethics
>Scientific method is non-testable
Lol, when did scientism become the norm?
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>>24737969
Right, the meat of NE, the catalogue of virtues, is banal, and what would you expect? NE is not a guide to being a good person, he explains what he is doing quite clearly but it went over your head apparently. It makes me depressed that philosophy is so interesting and a high IQ activity but it seems to mostly attract subliterate retards and stoners.

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Do you often peruse scripts at libraries?
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>>24736519
Well, maybe if she washed it well and shaved. I could see that.
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>>24734334
Imagine the smell
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>>24737858
>Is there such a thing as a subscription library to keep out to homeless and also you can have sex in it

In NYC and many other big American cities yes, but they are pay for "societies" or clubs that also have library rooms where you can just hang out, try ethnic centers like sons of Norway or
https://www.nysoclib.org/
https://www.sofn.com/join-a-lodge/
And these places aren't bursting with new membership so just fuck in the stacks or bathroom
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>>24737868
I want to live out that scene from The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover though preferably without getting killed at the end

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James Rolfe aka AVGN just released a book
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>>24732681
Spoil me the ending.
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>>24735373
There wasn't even YouTube or positive nerd culture wannabes when he started making his videos. He's a pioneer in what he does.
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>>24734378
>2.2
>now 3.3
We are so back.
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>>24732681
>>24735629
>>24735641

>“Come to think of it, I think I remember hearing that some kid died once,” said Bruce.
>“I don’t think that was related.” scoffed Cait. >“Well, they had no choice but to make a separate path. All because the dragon was too scary," explained Dante.
>“Nothing here could be that scary,” shivered Adam.
>“Too scary for you guys,” taunted Bruce.
>“I’m not afraid,” declared Dante. “Let’s go.”

This is a real excerpt from the book. It's like the only thing he knows about writing is his 2nd-grade teacher (before SPED) telling him to not use "said" when writing dialogue.
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>>24737782
>still not on libgen
How am I supposed to properly make fun of him?
No I'm not shelling out 4 bucks.

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Fitzgerald Chads or Fagles Fags?
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>>24737241
Lattimore always. Fitzgerald admitted Lattimore's Homer was superior.
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Caroline Alexander for the Iliad, Anthony Verity for the Odyssey
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>>24737241
Alexander Pope for both
>inb4 his odyssey is bad
No it isnt
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>>24737505
He didn't even translate the Odyssey.
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Eventually you'll discover Chapman, and realise what a bunch of slack-jawed faggots all the other translators were.

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Thoughts on Italo Calvino?
I wrote a short text and was recommended him, skimmed around and seems like my sort of wacky meta-fun.

Also trying to decide if I should read a translation or the original, as I don't speak Italian but speak Portuguese and French.

In case I read a translation, would it be better in Portuguese instead of English due to language proximity?
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>>24737115
>I meant in style not in content.
I know.
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>>24737115
Out of every book he wrote you read the one that was published after his death and wasn't even complete, try anything else by him
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>>24735050
Temu version of Borges.
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>>24737222
Am I wrong to thing Borges is actually the overrated one? Some of his stories fall flat in the most awkward way and while his more conventional knife fighting stories are fantastic I don't know if that's what people even praise him for. Of course some of his more experimental work, at best, is mandatory reading. But Calvino has rarely disappointed me.
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>>24737815
>Some of his stories fall flat in the most awkward way
He liked to use intertextuality and if you are not well versed in what ever sources he is referring to, they fail hard. Borges convinced me that intertextuality is terrible, or at least that a story should not rely on it.

I do not see what people love about Borges.

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Books to read in order to become a true American communist?
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>>24736916
>american
>communism
Huh?.
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>>24736916
>American communist
I assume thats identity politics with no class politics, economic determinism, materialism etc.
Basically an exaggerated form of liberalism
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>>24736916
>true American
>communist
Pick one, faggot.

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Where do I start with poetry (reading)? Looking for geniune responses, limit the meme responses, thank you.
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What are you looking for? I like Plath.
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As the other anon said, what do you like? What themes or sentiments are you going for?

I think the best way to get into poetry is to start with something that has an easy-to-grasp-on-to rhythm & meter.

City of Dreadful Night is my recommendation. You can skip around on the various sections.
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I started with the Oxford Book of Verse, the one you can find in project gutenberg
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>>24736348
Buy anthologies of particular genres. Look through them for poets who grab you. Investigate these more closely.
I'd suggest starting with the Romantics, since they have popular appeal.


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