>His Principia Mathematica side hustle imploded. Gödel the God-fearing Christian ruined it.>He had epistemological trolls that any atheist Reddit neckbeard could have come up with and that were less sophisticated than those of Sextus Empiricus and Hume.>His theory of descriptions was completely unnecessary, a midwit answer to something only midwits see as a problem ("[Meinong] argued, if you say that the golden mountain does not exist, it is obvious that there is something that you are saying does not exist -- namely the golden mountain; therefore the golden mountain must subsist in some shadowy Platonic world of being, for otherwise your statement that the golden mountain does not exist would have no meaning. I confess that, until I hit upon the theory of descriptions, this argument seemed to me convincing.")>Even his stupid paradox in naive set theory that bears his name had been prefigured elsewhere in letters from Zermelo.>Continental scholars routinely demonstrated his misunderstandings of Continental philosophers, toward whom he had emotional, Anglocuck revulsions unbecoming of a thinker.
Take the Deism pill, discover>True Theology
>>24738601Check out aarvoll. His conception of Christianity might be more palatable for you and open your mind. He's mostly just a Platonist but he realizes that the incarnation is essential.
>>24734677>Russellian Monism>Epistemic Structural RealismYou're just not ready for Esoteric Russellianism.
>>24739730>You can't think in a genuinely unusual way about reality using plain language>you make the same vague, pseud objections as any other 15 year old on this site.You will eventually grow up
>For two or three years...I was a Hegelian. I remember the exact moment during my fourth year [in 1894] when I became one. I had gone out to buy a tin of tobacco, and was going back with it along Trinity Lane, when I suddenly threw it up in the air and exclaimed: "Great God in Boots! – the ontological argument is sound!"
What are some genuinely fun books
Three men in a boat WiltConfederacy of duncesNotes from the underground Oblomov
>>24740933>Anything by Wodehouse>Anything by SwartzwelderYou and me are on the same page.
>>24741920I'm a Psmith In The City man, myself
maybe it's just me but I find Dead Souls very funny, even more so on reread
>>24740922I love The Pickwick Papers by Dickens. Simply a fun read.
So all his books are just complaints about women and how he can't fuck because he's old and how much better things were in the past?He seems to love self-loathing but offers no solutions for the future.
>>24742343i suggest taking your time regardless. trying to identify what the author was doing, the themes, whatever you can infer, BEFORE asking for some consensus or whatever, is a great way to improve your experience and what you come away with
>>24742394I'm not asking for consensus, I'm asking for personal opinions of anons that frequent /lit/I was asking, because I didn't read it in its time. I'm reading it now. So some things that may seem common now may have been innovated then. And also because I like having one or more paradigms of viewing it to lay aside the work as I'm going through it and see if I agree or come away with something completely different. This extra layer enhances the experience for me, which is why I asked for it. It's fine if you don't want to help me with what I'm asking for, but it is presumptuous that you think you know better how to enhance my experience than I would myself.
>>24742426>justifying the terrible epidemic of cognitive outsourcingwhatever
>>24742426>>24742433to be clear i understand what you're saying. my issue is that you havent finished the novel. you have a unique position that you can not get back, of being uninfluenced
>>24742435>>24742433I think it's an illusion anyways. We are always influenced. We have a reason to pick up the book. Right now I'm reading it while hungry, while going through a lot of family health stuff, while having gone through a bad break-up. While having an interest in finishing up my backlog of books so I'll have room for some new directions in reading.You think my experience of the novel would be uninfluenced? Then if I read the same thing again in 20 years, I might be fully committed to being a bachelor or I might be in a long term relationship and have a completely different read and experience of it. The exact composition of our lives and perception always influences it anyways.I get that you don't want people to all walk the same path and parrot the same things, but that's not what I do anyways.I'm interested in hearing other's experiences because I want to reflect on them, test them, possibly even disprove some hypotheses.Another example is that I spent years working on shakespeare plays. Just because you know how it's going to go, doesn't mean it isn't a fresh experience every time. Of course it's with different people and different interpretations of the work, but with books too, you're a different person each time you read a book.So, who had a good experience reading atomised? When did you read it? What was special about it?
This book is dogshit. Complaining about the mediocrity of the art establishment is something; but if you do, don't be even more mediocre than them. Just name drops imageboard and memes for nothing, the style is annoying. Could've been worse, it's just a bit more mediocre than the lib art culture it makes fun of throughout the whole book
Woolston bros...
>>24740124We will get our review. In this life or the next.
>>24728950Bumping for the Woolston Review
barry u plonker lets ave it
oi back with me ass on the bench this arvowife says she's done with my sorry ass boyssays nobody reads me damn booksAaron mate you gotta come through
Fiction book about extra dimensional and experiencing spiritual journey such as the spirit leaves the body (death,etc)
>>24740590Forgot caffeine inducing anxiety looping
>>24739972>Extreme narcissist remains narcissistic Many such cases
>>24739876>>24739914A bad trip on LSD fucked my life up for literally a decade. I took it on a dime in senior year and had brainfog, intrusive thoughts and hallucinations for a decade after.Tried every religion and cope you could think of, nothing solved it expect multiple long silent and difficult buddhist meditation retreats.
>>24739941DAE think it's suspicious that the anecdote-teller is always involved in his anecdotes? Seems improbable.
Try overdosing.
Good books on the Somalian and Rwandan conflicts during the Clinton administration?
>>24741864asking the real questions
Solid advice or schizophrenic nonsense?
>>24742432Peel back the layer of disaffected nu-right jargon here and you'll find the same ideology of resentment that Dennis Praeger's elite donor network pushes on middle america because they believe that college graduates are insufficiently loyal to the state of Israel.
>my diary desuoh yeah it's schizo time
>>24740136>college is job trainingLol
>>24742475caring about israel is the exact opposite of seeing knowledge as local and particular and rooted in personal historical thought. this is much more in line with heidegger (a nazi)
>>24742370It's Journey to the end of the night (I'm a frog)
What is the most schizo book and/or who is the most schizo author
Francis E. Dec, also known as your ONLY HOPE for a FUTURE!
>>24741775ywnbaschizo
>>24740205Nausea - Sartre
>>24741853it is a beginning
>>24740205That anon guy and his diary.
I'm excited, are you?
>>24742368Low quality b8
>>24742376Low quality meme, NSA.
>>24742368Chomsky is literally on the verge of fucking dying, why should I listen to him of all people on this subject?
>>24742368>wants to build a new world>all the things he wants in that new world are the same things that exist now
tyrion stroll editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24704184
>>24741614So what do we know about the Church from him that isn't just reinforced Info from the other two priests we know?>you can drown people as sacrifices instead of burning themanything else, this guy is as close to Mainline R'hllor as we can get
It is time to move on guys. Each general is filled with so much cope... it must be out of your systems by now.
jets 0-3 giants 0-3. Finish the book fat man or else they will never win
>>24739612Thing is, the Seven's religion has something important than the other religions usually don't have: a teaching. They have morals within an structure, with those morals come a judgement from a mythical figure, and attainable characteristics coming from those gods, like love, hard work, knowledge, bravery, and so.The other gods make miracles, yes, but only through a select group of people. So we have some guy making miracles with fire, and other quoting a book, both die, now there are no miracles, but someone else can make the exact same quotes. The faith for the book remains, the fire miracles fade away.
So in the chapter where he discusses free will Hume insists that the whole debate has basically been over terms and in actuality we all more or less understand compitibilist views to be true.So to prove this point he goes into human nature and bla bla bla but eventually provides an example that I found really appropriate to his argument: When an artificer goes to the market to sell his clocks, he knows people will be willing to buy them if he offers them at a good price. And he knows that with that money he will be able to find a farmer or butcher or w/e to buy his own necessities. How could he make those assumptions if indeed free will was truly random up to unknowable whims and nothing of human action could be predicted? But at the same time he knows and understands that those people chose their livelihoods and shopping preferences in the same way he does. Thus it is self-evident that human beings have an internalised understanding of compatibilism, that both necessity and liberty guide human action, and that the dispute over this subject is one over terms essentially that has devolved into "a labyrinth of obscure sophistry".
>>24742469Thank you. Even Aquinas agreed
I'd like a good beginner-friendly overview of the field of epistemology. Does /lit/ have any recommendations?
>>24742016>Critique of Pure Reason >Beginner-friendlyBet you haven't even read it, pseud.
>>24741915John Locke and Hume explain it pretty well, and then this bad boy >>24742016 comes in and fills in the gaps
>>24742016What would Kant say to OP's picture?
>>24741915I own picrel for a quick introduction. Then there's more sociological treatments like Berger and Luckmann's "The Social Construction Of Reality", Thomas Kuhn's "Structure Of Scientific Revolutions" and Karl Mannheim's "Ideology And Utopia". For more a philosophical treatment, the aforementioned Kant, Locke and Hume + Descartes, Roger & Francis Bacon, William James and Charles Sanders Peirce. Basically most philosophers in the Anglo-American and general analytic tradition are your best bets. Continental philosophy tends towards sociology too much and "power/knowledge" discourse although what i stated previously could also be useful.
>>24742467Forgot pic. Also Pierre Bayle and Thomas Bayes are allegedly good but I haven't read either.
I compared it to ancient Greek literature and I just see the Hebrew Bible as totally devoid of empathy except in Genesis. The Greeks acknowledged and depicted the brutality of war but there is always a sense of the suffering that the losers have to go through, even when they’re the enemies of the Greeks. In the Hebrew Bible it’s just so psychopathic toward people the Jews are fighting and unrelentingly vindictive like, “blessed is he who smashes thy little ones’ heads against the stones.”
>>24742258Jonah and Job are absolutely not enemies of the Jews, and neither is Ruth, certainly, being a Jewish convert.
>>24742258A thread about literature on a board scout literature but literature isn’t the point, it’s “attitudes on the ground”, something that is mostly speculative and neither here nor there? It isn’t even just Thucydides, as I mentioned before, The Trojan Women by Euripides is considered by many academics to be a commentary on the sack of Melos, as Euripides liked to use drama for social commentary It is strange that you keep trying to shift the focus from literature, which is measurable and can be examined, to opinions which aren’t in literature and Hereford can’t be, but what makes it even stranger is you try to do this in a thread explicitly focused on literature on a board explicitly focused on literatureWhat is the purpose of trying to shift the conversation *away* from literature?
>>24741293>OMG it's too violennnntttttbeta male take
>>24742264Are you forgetting the big conflict in Jonah? It's entirely about God having to break a stiff-necked prophet because Jonah thinks the Assyrians don't deserve mercy while God begs to differ. And Ruth is about how even a woman from Moab, a regular national enemy of Israel, can nonrtheless be good enough to be the ancestor of Israel's celebrated royal lineage, and Job as a non-Hebrew is relevant insofar as OP imagines that there's no fellow feeling with outsiders in the Bible. What else do you call it but empathy when a book of the Bible is wholly devoted to the sufferings of an ethnic outsider?>>24742270I'm engaging with what's leveled, which is a strawman caricature of attitudes in the Bible. To be clear, I both have the strongest possible preference for the Greeks over the Bible, and I object to how you aren't contesting anyone else in this thread generalizing from Greek literature to the overall attitudes of the Greeks as a whole vs Biblical attitudes reflecting on Hebrew attitudes as a whole. It's a very selective choice on your part. But if you're arguing that passages like "You shall not cheat a sojourner and you shall not oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt," don't magically count as the empathetic recognition of foreigners as fully people, then you're arguing speciously.
>>24742081>There is nothing whatsoever to suggest it is about mercy, especially since in one instance Moses commands that the girl children are to be kept alive for the men’s use but the boy children are to be killed.Cite the passage where this happens--I believe you're mistaken.>Which I am not saying is unusual for the period but I am saying I don’t see any empathy for the people subjected to this in Hebrew literature whereas Greek tragedy very frequently dwelt on the plight of enslaved women in conquest, and portrayed the suffering of male children being massacredYou might want to read a Church Father closer to them in time (Clement of Alexandria for example); there is a relatively strong conviction among early Christians (circa. 100-250 AD), that Plato had read or studied Moses with the Jews and if we assume Moses is 1,200-1,500 BC and add in the moral perfecting of the prophets we https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Hebrew_prophets see:>Hosea 6:6 — “For I desire mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.”About ~300 years before Plato and thus the mercy of God precedes Greek understanding of it, if not outright informs it. Keep in mind, moral progress is faithfully delivered to humanity through God's most valid covenant and sometimes breaks into other areas--the current area for that is the Catholic Church most perfectly through the Roman Pontiff. Part of the mystery of the ancients is that there is FAR more cross-pollination than we want to admit and to say that the Jews were totally sealed off from the Greeks is likely incorrect. God's punishments are Him reluctantly revealing you your errors>Ezekiel 33:11 — “As I live, says the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live.”, 597 BCAs the Jews lost political might and power God very, very quickly revealed Himself as merciful and even then those killed by divine command are not necessarily in Hell.>St. John Chrysostom — “God seeks not to punish but to heal. For this cause He threatens, not that He may bring punishment, but that He may bring men to repentance.” (Homilies on the Gospel of John)
Have you ever regretted slogging through a book and wasting your time on it?
>>24740944Yah, this is probably the most common subject of discussion I have had with readers: how much of a book do you read before you call it quits? Do you finish what you start?
>>24742194I'm a completionist so once I start something I cannot really quit it unless it devolves into the extremes. The book I posted is a 450 pager so I stomached through it, but wouldn't if it was 1.2k words long.The only things I've given up on are various TV series (but mostly on the first episode) and Hitman: Absolution
>>24740944I wasted my time with Demian.
Yea... les Misérables
>>24740944many times unfortunately. not all books are good.
Are these books actually well written or are they just slop praised by Star Wars fans?
>>24740843It's fairly written but there's not much plot. The concepts introduced serve little to no purpose and it just isn't exciting like the films. There's no meat on the bones.First trilogy is good family fair modern myth. Andor is thoughtful adult content. I read no book that elevates the franchise as good as Andor, much less the flawed Rogue One.Do you like Star Wars? If yes, then don't bother reading this one. Read a synopsis at most. You'll as as much out of it.
>>24740843I read these when I was in middle school and recall them very fondly but have no idea if they hold up. All I know is out of nostalgia I tried to get into the authors new Thrawn books and I just couldn’t do it.I will say this for it though. Books written within preexisting universes have the advantage of all the base lore already being known by the audience, so the author can dive into more esoteric stuff like flash cloned legions, dark Jedi, smuggler guilds, hot chocolate, alien assassin tribes, lost and forgotten fleets, etc.
>>24740843The only Star Wars book that deserves to be called "literature" is the Revenge of the Sith novelization, but that's lightning in a bottle. Everything else ranges from terrible to barely readable.
>>24741175>I will say this for it though. Books written within preexisting universes have the advantage of all the base lore already being known by the audienceThough, SW EU also expects even normies who simply watch the movies to instantly know the names of all the alien species. It is handy to learn that Greedo's species are called Rodians, for instance.
>>24740843I read them in elementary school and recall thinking even at that time that some of the plot beats were quite silly. However, as I read more Star Wars books, I realized that the reason people hail that trilogy as one of the greatest pieces of the Expanded Universe is because it really is. Namely, Zahn makes his villains competent and interesting and, perhaps most importantly for the kind of lore freaks like me who read that stuff, he is almost the sole author who realized that a place the size of a galaxy has more planets, more crime bosses, more politicians, more bureaucrats, and more military commanders than just the ones who appeared in the movies. All of which serves to create the impression of an actually inhabited universe instead of a movie set for the protagonists to adventure in. The side effect of this is that Zahn's trilogy is worth reading if you're a huge Star Wars aficionado since he introduces a bunch of characters who go on to be important for the rest of the EU since the other writers didn't realize they should probably introduce characters of their own to fill in secondary roles.
