Where do I start with him?
>>24724378Depends. If you're into literary theory, literature and evil. If you can find his essay on lautreamont, that too >>24724409This, if you're more into fiction.
>>24724378I started with Bataille by reading the key essays from Visions of Excess (Solar Anus, Big Toe, Materialism, Base Materialism and Gnosticism), before moving on to The Accursed Share Vol. I, which I'm still in the process of reading. I also once edged my way through Story of the Eye, climaxing at the "eye" scene.
>>24726720>>24726662>>24726578>>24726074>>24724753This is why I think college professors should be taxed heavily, more than janitors.>>24724581They are, but the "literature" many of them are reading these days are Dark Romance literature.
>>24724378The accursed share. tl;dr how sacrifice works, and by extension the sin/corruption/inefficiency of abusing one sphere of life for advantage in others.
>>24724378>Pages of books torn out and postered on wall next to mirror
>Start with the GreeksUhh yeah no, I'm not going that far back but I am willing to start with the Byzantines
>>24727350A Byzantine theologian would unironically tell you to start with the Greeks (although just Plato, Aristotle and Plotinus)
>>24727350Studying people who studied the greeks? Kek, just start with the Greeks, it would be beneficial for you especially. You can study Plotinus or Proclus at least.
>>24727350Look up the Cappadocian Fathers and read everything they wrote, then read Gregory Palamas. Alsohttps://classics.fas.harvard.edu/byzantine-reading-list
>>24727350>Start with the Greeks>Start with the Greeks (later date)
>cynicism is the most persistently correct perspective>cynicism also drains you of any desire to earn any success in this world
>>24723765The whole point of cynicism is that success is easy to earn if you can be satisfied with simple things. Reread the Antisthenes section of Xenophon's Symposium. He's rich because he wants for nothing, his food is the finest because he uses hunger as a seasoning. His student Diogenes would end up taking this lifestyle to comical extremes, but Antisthenes, the original cynic, lived in a modest house and enjoyed success as a prolific writer.
>>24725412Try not being a pussy?
>>24726870As Diogenes Laertius recounts of Plato’s “responses” to Diogenes of Sinope- cynicism is a largely performative philosophy which intends to show everyone around you how ‘modest’ you are by living frugally beyond the point of it making any sense and wallowing in filth like an animal. It is entirely for performance. Plato says if Diogenes that if you want him to come in from the rain you stop giving him attention and then he wouldn’t be outside in mud getting rained on to earn social capital by shirking technology and clothing and a shelter.
>>24723919>if you want to get laid, you need to learn how to play the social game.no you simply need to be attractive. the more attractive you are the less it matters what you say or do
>>24726968Did you notice how I explicitly pointed to Antisthenes as opposed to Diogenes, or did you just see the word "cynicism" and stop reading?
I am partially using as reference the top book list /lit/ made. But the question is simple.What made old authors so good? Wouldn't by logic the best books come from around 2000-2020 since that's where people got access to more information and etc. Overall was there a creative decline after the year 2000?And no I am not saying there is no good literature from recent years but how come this or (previous) generation, that is more "informed", (apparently) "educated", and overall referred to as more technologically advanced is unable to create things that are as good as the things that came even from centuries ago? Hell the divine comedy is from 1321. I am not saying all books have to be as influential as the bible but I have not heard of a groundbreaking book from recent years.
>>24724742>It's a capital book and it would spare us many threads like this, where nothing useful is ever said and people ramble about "old good new bad" as if they had been confined to a circle of hell where your punishment is to hear the same thing being said over and over.This problem plagues virtually every creative board on 4cenks.
>>24724602Because people had lives then. They had real problems. They've been in wars. Saw governments rise and fall. They witnessed key moments in history, lived because they weren't glued to their computers and modern conveniences.
>>24724828>apart from some gems like JokerOh no
>>24724602Boredom breeds creativity, and before the internet/mass media people were bored as fuck.
>>24724754>not a lot of people read and know of the non-US current day literary movementsYou'd think that a board dedicated to literature would be the best place to find talk about niche markets like that but, like you said, it seems like after the mid 2010's this board lost its passion for literature.
>/lit/: Why do writers like you take the children fairy tale world and put blood, sex, drugs, prostitution and other filth into it?>GRRM: Because I want both, the super natural aspects of the fantasy world and the brutality of the real one.>/lit/: Okay, but isn't incest a bit too much?>GRRM: HeheheheheheheheheWhat the fuck did he mean by this?
>thinks Disney was accurate to the sourcesWhat most people think of for fairy tales are actually idealized versions that came about in the first half of the 20th century. The originals were no where near so happy and cuddly.
Still don't understand this board's obsession with grrm, it kind of made sense 5 years ago but now the rest of the world has forgotten about him. Also amoral fantasy characters like conan predate tolkien and cs lewis
>>24726409There's like no other relevant living fantasy author besides Sanderson.
>>24726420>relevant>fantasy author
>>24726420>SandersonLiterally unknown. Much more relevant are J.K.Rowling and A.Sapkowski.
Post /lit/ quotes that you consider to be ironic.
>>24727402Based>>24727419Cringe
>>24727419As opposed to a stereotypical person of another nation huh?
>>24727419Twain made it American, Hawthorne and Melville kept things old world, wrote in their style using their ideas and mostly reduced America to plot.
>>24727419Twain was a humorist
>>24727402What most everyone misses about this quote is the "every time," if Twain hated Pride and Prejudice as much as some think there would be no "every time." His anger towards Austen where far more nuanced and not so 4chan.
/lit/ bros, recommend me books that deal with themes about the drifter/man-child/loser becoming the mancontext : i am almost 24, yet due to my aimlessness and a lack of drive all these years - i dont feel like a man, but i want to be THE MAN, so i ask for books that could provide me some succor in this journey.thank you.
>>24726181>why do you think i talk like a faggot?Because you had to ask.
>>24726271ruuuuude
>>24726227that sounds so grim,is there any way to break that cycle?
>>24726307>what is a sustained thought?It's a highly controversial relic, but it doesn't age. It's frequently thought to have been recorded in such a way as to identify, but the methods for doing so are numerous and likely designed to leave anyone who hasn't performed it baffled. >3 to 1 to 3>what is your cause of birth?>how is my hand the hand of the Buddha?>how is my leg like that of a donkey?>3 to 1 to 3>every 3 days you're a different person>an army decimated a region in conquering it. The soldiers turn to farmers to reclaim it.>what is a patriarch? >3 to 1 to 3Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24726357thank you
Who buys these books to warrant so many publishers pushing them out? how much are companies money laundering?
>>24727543What job?
>>24726600Foetal hormone exposure.
>>24727507>>24727543You need a certain baseline level of estrogen to maintain bone strength. Some FtM trannies take anti-estrogen medication alongside testosterone in much the same way that MtF trannies take anti-androgens alongside estrogen - this results in the onset of osteoperosis. This is also why taking GnRH antagonists ("puberty blockers") for a prolonged period of time is a bad idea. The solution for your pooner friend is for them to stop suppressing their estrogen levels so heavily, they can still be on testosterone if they want.Their doctor probably should have told them all this already of course.
>>24727567hello doctor
>>24727567Yes now I remember the example I was thinking of. Walk is very similar to the south park midget, like they're swinging their hips too much and rotating their legs around in the socket to be able to walk. Idk maybe that is just how women walk and its weird seeing an otherwise passing (thought extremely gay looking) man do it.
How can you not acknowledge Islam being the religion of /lit/ when many Traditionalists saw the light themselves and reverted?
>reverted
Because Traditionalism is cringe
What is some dark academia literature?
>>24724086Is that fucking DeS?
>>24725229The body type doesn't matter hugely for this purpose beyond personal preference. Just an athletic girl who is into competitive sports.
>>24722212>The Secret by Donna TarttAbsolutely
R F Kuang’s Katabasis”. Is basically “Dark Academia” mixed with fantasy. The author went to Georgetown, Oxford, Cambridge, and now Yale, so she has experience with “Ivy League” academia. The writing quality is closer to the later Harry Potter books rather than Henry James or Nabokov, although the writing quality may be a bit beyond the later Harry Potter books. There are a lot of references to various Philosophers and Mathematicians, etc., and theories about logic etc.
>>24725829Indubitably devilish, indeed, moi fellow dark academic. Muahahahaha!!~
What are the most Schopenhauerian works of literary fiction? I don't mean "depressing" or "miserable" (that's just a caricature of pessimism), but works that actually reflect Schopenhauer's philosophy:>lucid pessimism>detachment from illusions>moments of transcendence through art (music) or nature>compassion as the highest moral gestureWhich novels or stories would you put in most of these categories?
>>24727473You'd what???
>>24727463You can start the thread but you don't own it, nigga
>>24727466It's these kind of dismissive and empty comments that irritate me most about people here, and why I will soon leave /lit/ for good. It's well established that Tolstoy was totally taken up with Schopenhauer, hailing him as the greatest genius. Schopenhauer and Tolstoy's sexuality were both largely of a gross nature. Anna Karenina depicts the most sublime, inexorable pessimism imaginable.
>>24727531>said Anna Karenina was such a pure distillation of Schopenhauer that it rendered World as Will and Idea redundantI think that's what anon referred to.
>>24727540Fuck off. You are all gay fops, only kept alive by little quantum of vanity.
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This is also a very relaxing field sounds album.
>>24722410>do not let it languish like a puppy crawling in an alley next to a Golden Dragon Buffet. it will not last long there before becoming kung pao.Lol
>>24727392True neither did I chose to be repressed neurotic. I can try to fix it but even then it doesnt change much because youth has gone past me.
>>24727278Without it, you're just larping aesthetics.
>2025>still no caesarWhat's taking him so long?
>>24727095I think conceptualizing of a personified 'Caesar' in and on itself is stupid. Caesarism is a process that lasts centuries, in the Apollonians it lasts from Marius to Domitian, roughly.It's not just one guy.And imo, fixation on analogy, especially to the Greeks is a bad idea.
>>24723403>What's taking him so long?He's a young zoomer
Spangler bro here. I'm so tired of explaining this. The EMPEROR was "Caesar," as a reference of office.When Spengler mentions Caesarism, he isn't talking about the fact that every civilization has a literal Gaius Julius Caesar that comes at a specific point in time to overthrow a collapsing republic. There's crumbs of truth there, but it's a distilled idea. What Caesarism really means is the centuries long petrification of a culture, which then molds it into its indefinite end state which can be referred as the same (Caesarism), as the Classical civilization faced during the reigns of the "Caesars." In other words, the Roman Empire.Gaius Julius wasn't even the real harbringer, prototypical Caesar-man, in Spengler's schema. It was Augustus.So no, there isn't a single Caesar, but many Caesars, which may overlap. Spengler sometimes poetically describes this state as a firm, marked age. But if you actually read him, it's a process which takes centuries to finalize. Caesarism is actually defined as "inward formlessness," no matter which outward dead forms proliferate around it. No new things come from that civilization's inward destiny, except pure random happenstance (as in, maybe a random masterpiece or great work of literature every century, or political or scientific evolution, as opposed to every year).
>>24727514But Christianity, which was the spark that lit Spengler's own, European civilization, came into being in the height of Roman Caesarism.It almost seems like Spengler is discounting the method of action of the Miraculous and the Divine. That he may analyze events in history but there is something Outside of history which may intervene in history's affairs.
>>24723452How dare he give us affordable healthcare, fight terrorists, and deport illegals
My literary analysis class textbook has a section on feminism and it begins with two and a half pages of based quotes from famous authors.
>>24724890Emerson just gave his thoughts on Austen's works without bringing up her gender, why is that in here?
>>24725154how do you misunderstand this?
>>24725365Why does everyone have to bring up the French all the time here?
>>24726604Where are these level headed feminists except Camile Paglia?
>>24724888why is a quote about plato attributed to plato? are these people retarded?
In the pessimistic milieu there appear contemptible individuals who, in the common sense of existence, are unfortunately regarded as nihilists or, worse, pessimists. Subjects whom I personally regard as of low existence, for they are, in no respect, true pessimists. The denier of the world, the one who knows, or rather, grasps, the essence of the world, feels compelled to negate it, for the world objectifies itself in a hostile manner, especially toward those who are, in their measure, different from the amorphous mass of the common man. But let us return to the man of low existence. This subject raises complaints against the world not because he has understood the true essence of the world, the Will-to-Life, but rather because the world did not please him, did not serve his whims, and now he drags himself across this cursed earth, supposedly railing against everything and everyone. When in fact what emerges from his babblings and interjections is merely a failure of social conformity. This subject complains not because the world is essentially cruel, but because he did not get what he wanted. He is a failure in the broad sense. He is a normal man who failed at attaining normality, a failed-normal. His entire identity revolves around these failures, and if his experience in the world had been otherwise, this subject would have been as normal as possible.
kys.
They blame the people most outspoken of the problem instead of the problem itself (or the people cause the problem)MANY such cases!
