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>/lit/: Why do writers like you take the children fairy tale world and put blood, sex, drugs, prostitution and other filth into it?
>GRRM: Because I want both, the super natural aspects of the fantasy world and the brutality of the real one.
>/lit/: Okay, but isn't incest a bit too much?
>GRRM: Hehehehehehehehehe
What the fuck did he mean by this?
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>thinks Disney was accurate to the sources
What most people think of for fairy tales are actually idealized versions that came about in the first half of the 20th century. The originals were no where near so happy and cuddly.
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Still don't understand this board's obsession with grrm, it kind of made sense 5 years ago but now the rest of the world has forgotten about him. Also amoral fantasy characters like conan predate tolkien and cs lewis
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>>24726409
There's like no other relevant living fantasy author besides Sanderson.
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>>24726420
>relevant
>fantasy author
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>>24726420
>Sanderson
Literally unknown. Much more relevant are J.K.Rowling and A.Sapkowski.

Post /lit/ quotes that you consider to be ironic.
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>>24727402
Based
>>24727419
Cringe
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>>24727419
As opposed to a stereotypical person of another nation huh?
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>>24727419
Twain made it American, Hawthorne and Melville kept things old world, wrote in their style using their ideas and mostly reduced America to plot.
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>>24727419
Twain was a humorist
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>>24727402
What most everyone misses about this quote is the "every time," if Twain hated Pride and Prejudice as much as some think there would be no "every time." His anger towards Austen where far more nuanced and not so 4chan.

/lit/ bros, recommend me books that deal with themes about the drifter/man-child/loser becoming the man

context : i am almost 24, yet due to my aimlessness and a lack of drive all these years - i dont feel like a man, but i want to be THE MAN, so i ask for books that could provide me some succor in this journey.

thank you.
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>>24726181
>why do you think i talk like a faggot?

Because you had to ask.
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>>24726271
ruuuuude
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>>24726227
that sounds so grim,
is there any way to break that cycle?
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>>24726307
>what is a sustained thought?

It's a highly controversial relic, but it doesn't age. It's frequently thought to have been recorded in such a way as to identify, but the methods for doing so are numerous and likely designed to leave anyone who hasn't performed it baffled.

>3 to 1 to 3
>what is your cause of birth?
>how is my hand the hand of the Buddha?
>how is my leg like that of a donkey?
>3 to 1 to 3
>every 3 days you're a different person
>an army decimated a region in conquering it. The soldiers turn to farmers to reclaim it.
>what is a patriarch?
>3 to 1 to 3


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>>24726357
thank you

Who buys these books to warrant so many publishers pushing them out? how much are companies money laundering?
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>>24727543
What job?
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>>24726600
Foetal hormone exposure.
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>>24727543
You need a certain baseline level of estrogen to maintain bone strength. Some FtM trannies take anti-estrogen medication alongside testosterone in much the same way that MtF trannies take anti-androgens alongside estrogen - this results in the onset of osteoperosis. This is also why taking GnRH antagonists ("puberty blockers") for a prolonged period of time is a bad idea. The solution for your pooner friend is for them to stop suppressing their estrogen levels so heavily, they can still be on testosterone if they want.

Their doctor probably should have told them all this already of course.
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>>24727567
hello doctor
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>>24727567
Yes now I remember the example I was thinking of. Walk is very similar to the south park midget, like they're swinging their hips too much and rotating their legs around in the socket to be able to walk. Idk maybe that is just how women walk and its weird seeing an otherwise passing (thought extremely gay looking) man do it.

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/lit/bros? maybe this whole "female slop" genre isn't actually that bad...
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>>24727522
>conservative propaganda
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>>24727560
its like a weird gorilla hand. never seen anything quite like it. im pretty sure the proportion is only off by maybe an inch but its very uncanny. if not downs its definitely something. people dont have hands like that.
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>Mfw it’s not a qt, composed redhead telling me chicklit is trash, but some seething ogre.

Opinion discarded
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>>24727561
>"STRONG WOMAN" becomes a docile, submissive housewife to an alpha male
I can see it.
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>>24727574
If anything the greater conservative subtext of smut is that the blank self insert FMCs at the start of the books are always miserable, broke and alone. Regardless of their educational credentials or line of work. They are not strong or happy, they are desperate for Scrooge McKnot to sweep them off their feet.

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>over the past year, a bookstore opened up in my town
>their hours were weird at first, and were announced on a week to week basis
>weird, but I guess they were sorting out the kinks
>finally get regular hours
>it's when most people are at work (and opened no later than 4pm
>the owner posts a story on Instagram
>she basically says "I'm having difficulty juggling being a wife, mom, pet owner and business owner. Sometimes I'll lock the door and take care of personal stuff while I'm in the shop, if you need me just ring kthxbyeee"

Why start a business if you don't want, well, business?
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>>24725491
what a great compliment, thanks anon
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>>24724756
Because thats what he was doing before proper home coffee machines existed and he refuses to change his daily life based on consumerist inventions of course.
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>>24725970
Yet all you need for a coffee is a kettle, water and coffee. Though I suppose they wouldn't have a source of heat in their store... Touché, anon, your wit prevails.
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>>24719756
>most businesses operate on a loss and stay afloat via magic
glad you had all that experience as an accountant to recognize him as a retard
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>>24717512
/lit/ should start a bookstore instead

How can you not acknowledge Islam being the religion of /lit/ when many Traditionalists saw the light themselves and reverted?
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>reverted
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Because Traditionalism is cringe

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What is some dark academia literature?
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>>24724086
Is that fucking DeS?
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>>24725229
The body type doesn't matter hugely for this purpose beyond personal preference. Just an athletic girl who is into competitive sports.
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>>24722212
>The Secret by Donna Tartt
Absolutely
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R F Kuang’s Katabasis”. Is basically “Dark Academia” mixed with fantasy.
The author went to Georgetown, Oxford, Cambridge, and now Yale, so she has experience with “Ivy League” academia.
The writing quality is closer to the later Harry Potter books rather than Henry James or Nabokov, although the writing quality may be a bit beyond the later Harry Potter books.
There are a lot of references to various Philosophers and Mathematicians, etc., and theories about logic etc.
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>>24725829
Indubitably devilish, indeed, moi fellow dark academic. Muahahahaha!!~

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What are the most Schopenhauerian works of literary fiction?

I don't mean "depressing" or "miserable" (that's just a caricature of pessimism), but works that actually reflect Schopenhauer's philosophy:
>lucid pessimism
>detachment from illusions
>moments of transcendence through art (music) or nature
>compassion as the highest moral gesture

Which novels or stories would you put in most of these categories?
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>>24727473
You'd what???
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>>24727463
You can start the thread but you don't own it, nigga
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>>24727466
It's these kind of dismissive and empty comments that irritate me most about people here, and why I will soon leave /lit/ for good. It's well established that Tolstoy was totally taken up with Schopenhauer, hailing him as the greatest genius. Schopenhauer and Tolstoy's sexuality were both largely of a gross nature. Anna Karenina depicts the most sublime, inexorable pessimism imaginable.
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>>24727531
>said Anna Karenina was such a pure distillation of Schopenhauer that it rendered World as Will and Idea redundant
I think that's what anon referred to.
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>>24727540
Fuck off. You are all gay fops, only kept alive by little quantum of vanity.

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I enjoy listening to this radio station as I sleep: https://onlineradiobox.com/ca/cbux909/
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This is also a very relaxing field sounds album.
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>>24722410
>do not let it languish like a puppy crawling in an alley next to a Golden Dragon Buffet. it will not last long there before becoming kung pao.
Lol
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>>24727392
True neither did I chose to be repressed neurotic. I can try to fix it but even then it doesnt change much because youth has gone past me.
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>>24727278
Without it, you're just larping aesthetics.

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>2025
>still no caesar
What's taking him so long?
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>>24727095
I think conceptualizing of a personified 'Caesar' in and on itself is stupid. Caesarism is a process that lasts centuries, in the Apollonians it lasts from Marius to Domitian, roughly.
It's not just one guy.
And imo, fixation on analogy, especially to the Greeks is a bad idea.
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>>24723403
>What's taking him so long?
He's a young zoomer
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Spangler bro here. I'm so tired of explaining this. The EMPEROR was "Caesar," as a reference of office.
When Spengler mentions Caesarism, he isn't talking about the fact that every civilization has a literal Gaius Julius Caesar that comes at a specific point in time to overthrow a collapsing republic. There's crumbs of truth there, but it's a distilled idea.
What Caesarism really means is the centuries long petrification of a culture, which then molds it into its indefinite end state which can be referred as the same (Caesarism), as the Classical civilization faced during the reigns of the "Caesars." In other words, the Roman Empire.
Gaius Julius wasn't even the real harbringer, prototypical Caesar-man, in Spengler's schema. It was Augustus.

So no, there isn't a single Caesar, but many Caesars, which may overlap. Spengler sometimes poetically describes this state as a firm, marked age. But if you actually read him, it's a process which takes centuries to finalize.
Caesarism is actually defined as "inward formlessness," no matter which outward dead forms proliferate around it. No new things come from that civilization's inward destiny, except pure random happenstance (as in, maybe a random masterpiece or great work of literature every century, or political or scientific evolution, as opposed to every year).
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>>24727514
But Christianity, which was the spark that lit Spengler's own, European civilization, came into being in the height of Roman Caesarism.

It almost seems like Spengler is discounting the method of action of the Miraculous and the Divine. That he may analyze events in history but there is something Outside of history which may intervene in history's affairs.
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>>24723452
How dare he give us affordable healthcare, fight terrorists, and deport illegals

My literary analysis class textbook has a section on feminism and it begins with two and a half pages of based quotes from famous authors.
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>>24724890
Emerson just gave his thoughts on Austen's works without bringing up her gender, why is that in here?
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>>24725154
how do you misunderstand this?
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>>24725365
Why does everyone have to bring up the French all the time here?
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>>24726604
Where are these level headed feminists except Camile Paglia?
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>>24724888
why is a quote about plato attributed to plato? are these people retarded?

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In the pessimistic milieu there appear contemptible individuals who, in the common sense of existence, are unfortunately regarded as nihilists or, worse, pessimists. Subjects whom I personally regard as of low existence, for they are, in no respect, true pessimists. The denier of the world, the one who knows, or rather, grasps, the essence of the world, feels compelled to negate it, for the world objectifies itself in a hostile manner, especially toward those who are, in their measure, different from the amorphous mass of the common man. But let us return to the man of low existence. This subject raises complaints against the world not because he has understood the true essence of the world, the Will-to-Life, but rather because the world did not please him, did not serve his whims, and now he drags himself across this cursed earth, supposedly railing against everything and everyone. When in fact what emerges from his babblings and interjections is merely a failure of social conformity. This subject complains not because the world is essentially cruel, but because he did not get what he wanted. He is a failure in the broad sense. He is a normal man who failed at attaining normality, a failed-normal. His entire identity revolves around these failures, and if his experience in the world had been otherwise, this subject would have been as normal as possible.
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kys.
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They blame the people most outspoken of the problem instead of the problem itself (or the people cause the problem)

MANY such cases!

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>>24727509
And what would that look like?

The wikipedia article on Asperger syndrome says those who have it have poor prosody.

But isn't dependence on prosody for conveying information really a sign that the language is poor? When I say language I mean in the sense of English, Latin etc are languages.

When I asked chatgpt about prosody it gave this as an example of what prosody is.

>How the voice rises at the end of a sentence to indicate a question:
>"You're going to the store?"

In English you can change the word order to indicate a question, but nevertheless this is an example chatgpt gave, and something people often do, to use this word order and yet mean it to be a question. However in Latin this is not a problem because Latin originally didn't even have the question mark, but instead used the suffix "-ne". A question mark is in writing only, it does not transfer to speech, just like a comma. You don't say out loud "question mark" or "comma", but rather this is conveyed by prosody, in the example above by rising voice.

My point is that while the question mark often requires prosody to convey its meaning in speech, the suffix "-ne" does not. And it's the same thing with comma, Latin didn't originally have the comma, and it doesn't transfer to speech other than through prosody. Instead Latin conveyed the meaning through other means such as suffixes which you have in speech just as much as in writing, ie there is no need for prosody to communicate a suffix.

Given that English relies on prosody to convey the equivalent in speech in many instances where there is question mark and comma in writing, and given that Latin didn't even have question mark and comma originally, and both before and after the addition of question mark and comma to Latin it does not require neither these forms of punctuation, nor their speech counterpart which is prosody, I'd say that Latin a) is less dependent on prosody than English, b) is a richer language, and c) English uses punctuation and prosody to try to make up for its poverty.
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Why would you avoid using oral tools to convey a message? And if you use them, and most people use them, the normal thing to happen is the simplification of language.

Generally, what is good for literature is opposite to what's good for the average speaker. But how are you going to evaluate the language as a whole without linking the evaluation to a purpose? Latin may be better for literature, but maybe it wasn't the best for many other purposes, and thus why it dissappeared. Plus reality is constantly changing so language has to adapt to those changes (which imply new purposes of speakers) and new vocabulary is probably not enough; as there are many implicit metaphysical assumptions in language, maybe grammar evolves with them, or viceversa (I guess it would be a bidirectional influence).

>what you say is relativism

I don't think it is, I think languages can be compared but given certain purpose. Maybe we could achieve a global comparison if we evaluate the most important and noble purposes, but that would need a thorough examination, and I don't think that would be a sensible project, since we would have to compare languages (in this case, latin) at purposes which didn't exist back then, which is the very reason why they dissappeared in the first place.
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>>24727314
Wikipedia likes to fabricate shit as usual. Not newsworthy.


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