>called The Count Of Monte Cristo>by the halfway mark it's actually a bunch of subplots for a bunch of supporting characters with the Count appearing like a guest star>it's a cross between pulp drivel and soap opera>it's even full of filler like any random tv showI'll be done with this before the year's out, and I swear to God, I'm not reading another "YUGE" and "great" novel ever again. Waste of time after waste of time. For God's sake. This is literally the equivalent of comic books but from a few centuries ago.
>>24984112So how do I find the quality stuff if basically everything old gets equally praised?
>>24983856No refunds
>>24984144I don't think your point about the different mass markets is well substantiated. That's something I've always been pretty curious about. The masses are pretty harshly and rightfully judged for their tastes in all art. But in literature its blindly trusted. Even going back to the Greeks. Why believe that this stuff curated by the masses is any good
>>24984397Nta but a lot of the time it's apparent if it's mass market appeal shit within the first 50-100 pages. Once I find that to be the case with a book I'm reading I make a mental note that any praise for said author should be taken with a grain of salt.
>>24983856What does the title have to do with other characters? Even more so that other characters play a large role for the MC, they're not side stories. What a stupid argument
>never married>never had sex>wasted his inheritance on a publishing house which soon went bankrupt>was berated by "spirits" during attempts at automatic writing for masturbating too much>spent most of his life living with older female relatives>smoked sixty cigarettes per day>died of alcoholismWhat was his problem?
>>24981679Truechud. I guess they had the same copes back then as well.
>famous pessimist author>named PessoaBRAVO TOLKIEN
>>24981786I have read the entire book, what do you mean by he's a hack
>>24981679He had multiple close friends with an active social life Frequented literary circles Literally met Crowley and helped his fake his death Had a thing with a woman, they wrote letters to each other Sorry but Pessoa was a volcel normalfag with a life and not an incel like you.
Portugods, we must reclaim Pessoa back and save him from the /lit/cunts!
Can you grind to get good at writing? Did niggas like Hemmingway and McCarthy actually practice?
>>24984824Celine very much thought style was the most important component THOUGH. His style revolutionized French literarure and it only appears to be just ellipsises to us because we live in a post-Celine world
>>24982791Write journal - journal is like your sketchbook to sketch and scribble shit except its words and writing before you can move into bigger 'canvas' that is manuscript
does crafting shitposts count as creative writing practice?
>>24984857This is how D'Annunzio wrote all his books btw. Just meticulously wrote down everything he did or thought or felt and every year or two edited it into a coherent narrative.
>>24984107>>24984119If you have to ask, you don’t have it.
I decided to take /lit/'s advice and started reading the Greeks this year. I'm so happy I decided to. Not only did I thoroughly enjoy these works, I felt like I learned a lot about history, culture, myth, and the human condition in the process. I was challenged and felt like I grew.This year, I readThe Iliad (Lattimore) 564 (with notes)The Odyssey (Fagles) 514 (with notes)Herodotus (Landmark edition) 878! (with notes and appendices)Thucydides (Hammond) 685 (with notes)Sophocles (Fagles) 407 (with essays and notes)Hesiod (Lombardo) 103 (with notes)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24984350Wrong.
>>24984094Awful year, reading wise. I had a good start, but after losing my job I read almost nothing. Yesterday I couldn't even finish what was supposed to be my last book of the year.
it was a pretty slow year by my normal standardsi would like to explain the really bad books as ones forced on me by my book group but i also got them to read faulkner so it evens out
>>24984094Nice! What did you think of Sophokles? I'm a big Euripides fan, so that's my next recommendation.
>>24984906Nice, what's your favorite Euripides? I love Alcestis
Trying to put together a short list of 5-7 books that most comprehensively capture the character of America. All I have are Moby Dick and JR by Gaddis.I think this is a retarded exercise but my ocd wont allow me to not do it. What would /lit/ add or remove?
>>24983338Explain
>>24984520Shan't.
1984 by Orwell and Brave New World by Huxley
>>24983280The Talmud and the Scofield Bible are the quintessential American texts, bound together in spirit of the Kabbalah. Throw in some Freemasons paying lip service to equality and you have the American experiment.
>>24983220The Constitution
English is such a shit language. For me the nail in the coffin for English was when I learned that the problem of ambiguity between argument and explanation, where all you have to disambiguate is context, which they talk about in logic books, is not something which is universal in logic, but rather is a problem of English. Other languages don't have this problem. English is a low IQ language. All it's good for is dumbing down the masses.
>>24983590One cannot shit up shit itself. Or, at any rate, it won't worsen the smell.
>>24984295There is a thesis in the OP. That thesis doesn't give a fuck about your pride. Address the thesis with arguments for or against it, or stfu and fuck off and learn basic logic, retarded monolingual emotional thinker baby.
>>24984439I suspect you have a quietly very emotional obsession with the idea of being "logical". The thesis has been adressed. You've dismissed the arguments against it out of hand as not fitting with your narrow-minded conception of what constitutes a "logical" rebuttal. I believe the thesis relies on a fundamentally flawed conception of language. Other posts, as I say, have touched on this, and you've disregarded them in bad faith without attempting to engage with ideas that go beyond your narrow limen. This thread is, if anything, marginally less shit than your emotionally charged ragebait of an OP warrants. I worry that you'll dance around all this, and hurl a few more ill-informed ad hominems at me. Anywho, there's nothing logical about your perception that English is "shit" on the basis of requiring context for disambiguation. All language requires some degree of context. No amount of "logic" can escape that fact. What's more, take the following: German is such a low IQ language; its speakers are so braindead that its over-elaborate case system needs to put everything semantically on a platter for them; it's only good for further dumbing down the Germans, who aren't capable of conceptually differentiating pronouns from context. If you (rightly) point out how retarded this is, I can simply project a little bit, rambling about pride, and then tell you to go study linguistics, and we get nowhere. I'm having fun with this thread, but, like... seriously... what were you expecting when you worded OP how you did? It's hardly an invite to fair-minded, rational discourse. And I think, in spite of your being an ESL, you might be just smart enough to know that.
>>24984624Study logic. You need it.
>>24965567*gets anexed by mexico*
Privacy by Danielle Chelosky (new story!)>A folder on her laptop held the stories she was not allowed to publish. One boy forbade her because there was an entire paragraph about his dick size (it was complimentary, she didn’t understand the problem). Another was worried his girlfriend would end up finding it. Another said he would cancel her for invasion of privacy. >These were rare instances. Mostly boys were flattered, considered it an ego boost, no matter how they were portrayed. People in general liked to be immortalized. In a way, she resented their narcissism, like they couldn’t appreciate what she’d written because they were just staring at themselves.>The truth was whatever reaction the boys offered was not what she wanted, even if they lavished her with praise, called her a genius, it was never enough. She thought of writing as not just a plea to be seen but a plea to be loved. It never seemed to have the effect that she yearned for, probably because it was impossible. Maybe, she thought, if she killed herself then her words would take on a new, heavier meaning.>She used to think that a boy being mad about a story she’d written about him meant the writing had done its job. It touched a nerve; it was controversial and had a direct impact on real life. Then she decided that mindset was banal, stupid. She thought her writing was at its weakest when it was a weapon.>On the internet she stalked a writer she had once done a literary reading with. During the reading he had spoken candidly about his sex addiction, and his girlfriend at the time stomped off. Now he was dating a different writer and they were constantly writing about their relationship, hosting readings where they read about each other with each other, publishing the history of their love in glossy magazines that paid by the word. She felt put off by this masturbatory spectacle. Like she couldn’t imagine anyone caring about it or finding it as anything other than insufferable. She wondered how one could make interesting art if they viewed their life as a project—then isn’t the project about the project, not about life?
Ugly women exist my mentally ill friend.
>>24984750Yeah it's a problem that has been tolerated for far too long.
>>24984750Ok so how can I get one? Extremely hairy and preferably fat too.
I love women bros
I hate simps bros
Thoughts on the Jurassic Park novels?
>>24984761crichton is a hack writer, I read some stuff of his and it suckspseudo science garbage all rule of cool with the pretense of status and academic rigor
>>24984773>pseudo science garbage all rule of cool with the pretense of status and academic rigorI agree, but I still love it.
i really loved them when i was a kid and i got into the whole chaos theory thingi can't imagine reading them as an adult but they're good for adolescents. i'd rather they were reading that than harry potter desu
>>24984761First one good light fun. The film would have been better had it stuck to it more closely.Second one not so good. The way the first ended (strongly implying Malcom's death) suggests he was never intending to write a sequel.
They were fun, I liked some of the grisly deaths. Had its fair amount of cringe, like Malcolm smoking his own farts for the entire fucking novel.>>24984909>The film would have been better had it stuck to it more closelyHard disagree. Hammond works better as an old fool than a sadistic sack of pondscum on two legs. Malcolm still gets two or three tangents but they're all relevant to the plot and well-paced. We didn't need more Malcolm. The biggest and best change was giving Grant an arc. In the book, he doesn't change very much. It's sweet seeing him care for the kids at the end. But the river sequence should not have been cut, fair enough. And the film does gloss over the magnitude of the animals being able to breed.
On fairies:>The origins of the magical content of the pagan cults can be traced back to the fairies, who were a real, neo- lithic people, smaller in stature than the natives of northern Europe or England. They were a pastoral people who had no knowledge of agriculture. They fled before stronger, technologically more advanced murderers and missionaries who had contempt for their culture. They set up communities in the in- lands and concealed their dwellings in mounds half hidden in the ground. The fairies developed those magical skills for which the witches, centuries later, were burned.>The socioreligious organization of the fairy culture was matriarchal and probably polyandrous.>the fairy culture was still extant in England as late as the 17th century when even the pagan beliefs of the early witches had degenerated into the Christian parody which we associate with Satanism. The Christians rightly recognized the fairies as ancient, original sorcerers, but wrongly saw their whole culture as an expression of the demonic. There was communication between the fairies and the pagan women, and any evidence that a woman had visited the fairies was considered sure proof that she was a witch.>There were, then, three separate, though interre- lated, phenomena: the fairy race with its matriarchal social organization, its knowledge of esoteric magic and medicine; the woman-oriented fertility cults, also practitioners of esoteric magic and medicine; and later, the diluted witchcraft cults, degenerate parodies of Christianity
Bestiality:>Primary bestiality (fucking between people and other animals) is found in all nonindustrial societies. Secondary bestiality (generalized erotic relationships between people and other animals) is found everywhere on the planet, on every city street, in every rural town. Bestiality is an erotic reality, one which clearly places people in nature, not above it. The relationship between people and other animals, when nonpredatory, is always erotic since its substance is nonverbal communication and touch. That eroticism in its pure form is life-affirming and life-enriching was sufficient reason to make bestiality a capital crime in the Dark Ages, at least for the nonhuman animal; suffi- cient reason for the English in the Dark Ages to con- fuse sheep and Jews.>Needless to say, in androgynous community, human and other-animal relationships would become more explicitly erotic, and that eroticism would not degen- erate into abuse. Animals would be part of the tribe and, with us, respected, loved, and free. They always share our fate, whatever it is.Incest:>The parent-child relationship is primarily erotic because all human relationships are primarily erotic. The incest taboo is a particularized form of repression, one which functions as the bulwark of all the other re- pressions. The incest taboo ensures that however free we become, we never become genuinely free. The incest taboo, because it denies us essential fulfillment with the parents whom we love with our primary energy, forces us to internalize those parents and constantly seek them, or seek to negate them, in the minds, bodies, and hearts of other humans who are not our parents and never will be.>The destruction of the incest taboo is essential to the development of cooperative human community based on the free-flow of natural androgynous eroticism.Pedophilia:>As for children, they too are erotic beings, closer to androgyny than the adults who oppress them. Children are fully capable of participating in community, and have every right to live out their own erotic impulses. In androgynous community, those impulses would retain a high degree of nonspecificity and would no doubt show the rest of us the way into sexual self- realization. The distinctions between “children” and “adults,” and the social institutions which enforce those distinctions, would disappear as androgynous community develops.
on punctuation and capital letter:>this book is about the Immovable Sexual Structure. in the process of having it published, Ive encountered the Immovable Punctuation Typography Structure, and I now testify, as so many have before me, that the Immovable Structure aborts freedom, prohibits invention, and does us verifiable harm: it uses our holy hu- man energy to sustain itself; it turns us into enforcers, or outlaws; to survive, we must learn to lie. The Revolution, as we live it and as we imagine it, means destroying the Immovable Structure to create a world in which we can use our holy human energy to sustain our holy human lives; to create a world without enforcers, doorkeepers, guards, and arbitrary Law;>while this book may meet much resistance — anger, fear, dislike — law? policed courts7 —at this moment I must write: Ive attacked the fundaments of culture. thats ok. Ive attacked male dominance. thats ok. Ive attacked every heterosexual notion of relation. thats ok. Ive in effect advocated the use of drugs. thats ok. Ive in effect advocated fucking animals. thats ok. hereand now, New York City, spring '97a, among a handful of people, publisher and editor included, thats ok. lower case letters are not. it does make one wonder.>form. shape, structure, spatial relation, how the printed word appears on the page, where to breathe, where to rest. punctuation is marking time, indicating rhythms. even in my original text I used too much of it— I overorchestrated. I forced you to breathe where I do, instead of letting you discover your own natural breath.I begin by presuming that I am free.why do women hate capital letters?
On agender prehuman ancestors:>Men and women have the same basic body structure. Both have both male and female genitals — the clitoris is a vestigial penis, the prostate gland is most probably a vestigial womb. Since, as I pointed out earlier, there is information on only 2 percent of human history, and since religious chronicles, which were for centuries the only record of human history, consistently speak of another time in the cycle of time when humans were androgynous, and since each sex has the vestigial organs of the other, there is no reason not to postulate that humans once were androgynous — hermaphroditic and androgynous, created precisely in the image of that constantly recurring androgynous godhead.Sometimes jews ate babies, but the babies were ALREADY dead. No biggie.>There is no evidence that any living child was killed to be eaten, or that any living child was sac- rificed. There is evidence that sometimes dead infants were ritually eaten, or used in ritual. Cannibalism, and its not so symbolic substitute, animal sacrifice, was a vital part of the ritual of all early religions, includ- ing the Jewish one.
Lastly, on getting off to degenerate rape smut>This is, then, the story of O: O is taken by her lover René to Roissy and cloistered there; she is fucked, sucked, raped, whipped, humiliated, and tortured on a regular and continuing basis — she is programmed to be an erotic slave, René's personal whore; after being properly trained she is sent home with her lover; her lover gives her to Sir Stephen, his half-brother; she is fucked, sucked, raped, whipped, humiliated, and tor- tured on a regular and continuing basis; she is ordered to become the lover of Jacqueline and to recruit her for Roissy, which she does; she is sent to Anne-Marie to be branded with Sir Stephen's mark and to have rings with his insignia inserted in her cunt; she serves as an erotic model for Jacqueline's younger sister Natalie who is infatuated with her; she is taken to a party masked as an owl, led on a leash by Natalie, and there plundered, despoiled, raped, gangbanged; realizing that there is nothing else left for Sir Stephen to do with her or to her, fearing that he will abandon her, she asks his permission to kill herself and receives it>I experienced O with the same infantile abandon as the Newsweek reviewer who wrote: “What lifts this fascinating book above mere perversity is its movement toward the transcendence of the self through a gift of the self ... to give the body, to allow it to be ravaged, exploited, and totally possessed can be an act of consequence, if it is done with love for the sake of love.”
Was she right about it all bros?
the fourth blackfyre rebellion editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24949686
>>24983157He got assmad the Daenerys got DORNE'd, the things with legitimazation and the sword was just Bittersteel looking to get back at Bloodraven
>>24983379Kek, GRRM redditism are so predictable that even his own reddit audience owned him>>24983474The Others are a big mystery box of nothing because GRRM didn't plan anything out. The Others are just child sacrificing ice people because Winds is never coming out.
>>24983157The idea/possibility that Daemon was content with his lot but was set up against Daeron just so Bittersteel and Bloodraven could fight each other is tragically funny
More and more do I realize that George is like that Miyazaki guy. They NEVER care for what happens to the adaptations of their work. They will ALWAYS just say “go for it lol, do whatev” and then they’re like “wuh happen” once it turns to SHIT.
Is Sunspear supposed to be a grounded spaceship?
Smile, /lit/! You’re doing the rounds on xitter againhttps://x.com/andrewchen/status/2005289538189738278?s=46
>>24984609>fiction slopRich Dad Poor Dad reader detected
>>24984255>boasting about avoiding the Western canondaring today, aren't we
>>24979160It's very solid really but yeah not top 5 material at all. If we made a ranking by cultural relevance then its number 1 and nothing else is even close but this wasnt the criteria.
>>24980397maybe he's talking about a bunch of things in it being a ripoff of greek mythology and the epic of gilgamesh
>>24978986>Ive read the Divine Comedy and I didnt think it was very funnySlight chuckle
Moby-Dick and Blood Meridian
>>24984668Atheists hate himThomistics/ Aristotleans hate himMonists/ Parmenideans hate himVirtually everyone on earth except you hates Descartes, Anon. Wear that with pride. You are very special
I feel as though descartes deliberately withholds the concrete, delivering unto the reader the abstract alone. Unlike plato, who'll literally walk you through whatever conclusion he wants to arrive at. Descartes refrains from presenting the experience that generated whatever abstraction he's presenting the reader.His texts feel almost obscure because of it.
>>24984853Descartes is very methodical but he just doesn’t have the most convincing logic at time. Ex: parrots can speak words but not form sentences so that means all animals are soulless automaton That’s a very big leap of logic
>>24984668>it's true that I couldn't convince Nietzsche and Marx to let go of hatred. >Hegel thinks I'm a female and I think he's a female.>I know everyone hates the tree but you still have to do it op. >dick jokes are fine but le geometry is le great pussy >sign up for secret societies and don't neglect my patented and time tested system of Philosophy. >no one will ever know le anything mon pote
This book is anti white horseshit. It would be right at home with the modern leftist college student, too bad the system has convinced them to hate anything remotely old and assume it's racist, ironically. I'm convinced melman or whatever his name is was an atheist, because he's preaching his own religion in this book and it's the religion of white genocide that's so en vogue
>>24983261Lovecraft is one of the greats.
>>24984880In fairness I have t tried him since high school lit class 25 years agoWhat's a good first work to check out?
>>24982800This board deserves a better class of bait.
>>24982949> plain and open criticism of whiteness, colonialism and manifest destinyIt’s amazing that it takes a right wing race grifter to see this when the lefties who can conjure this interpretation out of toothpaste logos have not. Does that not even put a damper in your self belief and ahistorical nonsense proclamations? It’s material /too dumb/ for the academic left you would otherwise criticise. Good god.
>>24984892I'll tell you a secret about myself that I obviously have to hide from people in my personal and professional life, a secret you'll find intolerable. I'm always right. I'm not always right because I know everything or because I'm a genius, but I'm a massive sinner who's tried to cultivate a personal relationship with God and hit a wall, until I came to the realization that for many of us unwashed bastards the best we get is our gut instinct, God as the author of nature instilling a direct connection inside of us to that nature, a sense that's as valuable as foresight if you lean into it. I let my God given senses, especially my gut instinct, to inform my brain and soul of the world around me. Through that lens, everything I sense is fact, and I'm not interested in mathematical means of disproving what I know, of sophistry wearing me down, I'm immune, because I operate on a higher level than you or anyone else I've come in contact, and that gives me a proximity to God you should be extremely jealous of.
>the greatest piece of literature ever made was never published and never shown to anyone until it was lost to time/destroyedwhat are the odds of this?
>>24983532Tragic. Sort of. He has no idea his book never got read for a reason he never expected. Though ultimately death is the sane experience for us all
why, my peenus weanus of course :)hahah! :Dit's my weeeeeenus peanus! :) hahahthe odds of the greatest piece of literature being lost - my answer is, of course, my peanus weenus :Dhahaha!
>>24983412Cats aren't allowed to drink. They don't have ID's and they don't live to be 21 years except in very rare cases.
>>24984838>No one:>Not a single soul in the world:>Shakespeare glazers:
everybody is mentioning greek works but what about something like aztec or mayan?
>tfw PDFs acquired from anna's archive and read through a computer screen yield scientifically proven poor results as regards retention & comprehension compared to printed text>tfw too poor; can't afford physical copiesso much for my intellectual life. it never began
>>24984819>poor results as regards retention & comprehensionSkill issue
>>24984819>PDFsPhew, us EPUB bros are safe
>>24984819Medium itself is irrelevant. You only perceive one more effective than the other because of your own preconceptions.
>>24984819copy the book by hand on paper before reading it, like the monks of old
>>24984868they taught a rat to read?
