Munching on and Listening to Mazurkas edition.https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lPlXP9Qm3-5aA3FDSTRru8FwPRhCvqUZ0This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious thread: >>124268082
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>>124281608Disgusting schizo insomniac scat fetishist post.
repeating my question from the previous thread to my gielenbro, what's your favorite mahler 6th? listening to gielen's now and he definitely takes it a bit too straight, though his swiftness and conviction are to be admired. >>124281623sorry, i'm just not interested in gay poopy buttsex. you'll have to ask someone else.
wait, too much autism in the other thread?just ban sisterposter and his repliers
>>124281572actual previous thread: >>124278382
>>124281437>>124281647I'm not really even sure anymore. I admire Chailly's recent recording as far as the interpretation is concerned, but I am similarly not convinced by A-S. I think I need to sit down and do a serious discography listen since my tastes have changed somewhat since the last time I did so. But doing Mahler listens of that scope is always so time consuming...
>>124281678yeah, i'm in the same boat. it's hard to do comprehensive mahler comparisons compared to beethoven given the former can have first movements of over 20 minutes in length whereas the first movement of the 8th is what, 8 minutes? like i still haven't made my way through the first movement of gielen's 70s mahler 6, and in the same time frame i could have listened to a large chunk of beethoven's 4th and gotten a good idea of how the overall interpretation sounds. mahler's expansiveness is occasionally to his detriment.
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>>124281572Chopin is for women.
>>124281999Chopin is exclusively for aristocracy, both men and women, you have no have a parician taste. >The work [Ballade No.4 in F Minor] was dedicated to Baroness Charlotte de Rothschild, wife of Nathaniel de Rothschild, who had invited Chopin to play in her Parisian residence, where she introduced him to the aristocracy and nobility. >>124281801Disgusting schizo insomniac scat fetishist post.
While Chopin indeed possessed of a knack for indisputably magical-sounding right-handed tinkling, and while he did indeed compose a number of tolerable (and possibly even beautiful) works, Chopin’s ultra-Romantic sound is almost nauseating under the right (or would they be wrong?) conditions. The bulk of his compositions were made either as teaching devices (he had a number of young, and usually female, pupils) or as salon accompaniments meant to serve as admittedly fitting background to hedonistic bourgeois prancing, dancing and flirting; the small part of Chopin’s catalogue which is preferable to these former pieces still have yet to live this fact down. His works are best suited for those of the male species who enjoy “stopping to smell the flowers,” and for little girls who play MASH all day and incessantly draw pictures of how they think their future weddings will appear.
>The music journalist Moritz Weber, who started researching Chopin’s letters during the spring lockdown, said he discovered a “flood of declarations of love aimed at men”, sometimes direct in their erotic tone, sometimes full of playful allusions. In one, Chopin described rumours of his affairs with women as a “cloak for hidden feelings”.>“You don’t like being kissed,” Chopin wrote to his school friend Tytus Woyciechowski in one of 22 letters. “Please allow me to do so today. You have to pay for the dirty dream I had about you last night.” Letters to the friend, who was actively involved in Poland’s January uprising of 1863, often start with “My dearest life” and end with: “Give me a kiss, dearest lover.”>Some letters fall just short of being sexually explicit. In July 1837, Chopin wrote to his friend Julian Fontana in Paris from London, reporting with excitement about “great urinals” with “nowhere to have a good tinkle”.
>>124282108>>124282117Thanks disneysister
I'm afraid S. Richter talked me into buying Furtwängler's 1953 Ring...
Wagner sisters we can’t allow this.
What I like to do when I don't really dig a certain composer is read a book about him and by doing so make an effort to "get" him. Who knows? It doesn't always work; I read a book on Tchaikovsky and I still think his music stinks.
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Fellas, I think I've found my heaven in Buxtehude's harpsichord suites.
>>124282236They're very tuneful
>>124282202Imagine being filtered by Pathétique and the Piano Concerto. What possessed you?Chopin too?>>124282233Disgusting schizo insomniac scat fetishist post.>you're really going to need to find someone else to bother about this at some point.I look forward to getting rid of scat fetishism out of /classical/. Not giving up until I do.
>>124282252>I look forward to getting rid of scat fetishism out of /classical/.you should be kinder to yourself, you’re welcome to stay here as long as you don’t turn every single thread into your gay hookup blog.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1c2hnUwPaEVery nice recording, engineered under Horst Kunze who also did the wonderful Annerose Shmidt recordings of Mozart's piano concertos and has that specific Kunze sound. I really like how the bass section sounds in his recordings. It always has this big full sound. His recordings can only be described as colorful. Good listen.
Just finished Nixon in China by John Adam’s. What are some other English operas I should listen to now?
>>124282252I have nothing against Chopin, I just don't find any of his music very interesting. But like I said, I'm willing to give it another try, to see what I might be missing.As for Tchaikovsky, I find most of his music downright offensive, completely tacky, his piano concerto especially so. I can listen to parts of Eugene Onegin
>>124282294careful, if you insult slaveslop too much he’s going to take it as a homoerotic advance and start hitting on you.
>>124282294>I just don't find any of his music very interesting.Why, are you a Scriabinchad, or does that style filter you entirely? Etudes are pretty easy to get into.>>124282272Don't flatter yourself, your insomniac scat fetishism is not welcome here.
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it just werkshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eu9vPWogXA
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>>124282322I never said Chopin was hard to get into, or inaccessible. It's just that there's nothing in his music to sustain my interest, nothing that would make me look up. It's kinda tuneful, but it lacks any tension.
>>124282390Chopin has more tension and dissonance than most classical era composers. Scriabin even more so. How do you feel about Scriabin?>>124282389No one welcomes your insomniac scat fetishism >>>/b/
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>>124282419>How do you feel about ScriabinRather bland
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>>124282142It's a solid Ring cycle. Too slow for my tastes, but the singing is exquisite and Furt gets the second rate orchestra playing Wagner fairly well.I find that the La Scala recording is better on the whole.
Scarlattihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiSN3ngIee4
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>>124282273>His recordings can only be described as colorful.that's not much of a compliment. just because something is colorful doesn't mean it can't be wanting in other regards. maybe the recordings have an embellishment of sorts, like a deficiency, that make it a poor choice over another engineer's work. have you ever considered that?
>>124280986Okay at this point you're just doing schizo-poetry. Also, if it helps, I didn't write that post but I saw it, and I've been waiting for anon to repost it so I can recommend to them Bach's Christmas Oratorio!
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>>124281647If you're tired of Bernstein's hysterics, have you tried Chailly's RCO recording? That's my go-to 'dispassionate' recording.>>124281678I was reading Hurwitz's review of the Janson/RCO 6th last night for whatever reason and I noted in it, since it's an A-S recording, he states how when he listened to it he just switched the track ordering lol
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>>124283067i’ve tried chailly’s concertgebouw cycle before obviously, but maybe it bears revisiting the 6th on that account. i’ll give it a try. >>124283132not interested in your gay anal poop sex hookups, maybe try >>>/hm/ instead?
>>124282985so let me get this straight, a fat gay jew recommended the work of another jew, specifically for a composition that had been written by a jew, to then claim that the reference recording for that particular work was performed by another gay jew? no thanks?
>>124283204meant for >>124283067
>>124283183When I read the post mention Gielen's Mahler, I assumed there was no way it was you!
>>124283217hearing his EMI beethoven cycle made me totally reconsider him as a conductor, and listening to his mahler 6 confirmed it for me - gielen’s older recordings are genuinely good and he got significantly worse as he aged. most of the recordings in the SWRmusik boxes are likely from when he was past his prime.
>>124283240Well it's always good to reexamine things as time passes, especially since we're (most of us) are still young so changes are bound to happen. I'll probably revisit Gielen's 7th someday, as it's too beloved not too give it another chance down the line. Also, I thought you loved the Thomas "Not Kurt" Sanderling one, and that one is played very straight and classically-inclined, no?
>>124283204apparently this fat gay jew who takes pleasure in having male genitalia in and around his orifices had also named another jew as a contender for the reference recording. the gentile was placed last!https://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-9612/
>>124283299I can't believe you actually pulled it up, feeling how you feel. But yes I was surprised to read Hurwitz so casually state he switched the track ordering when listening.>Now this is not the place to get into the tangled argument on the subject of Mahler’s indecision in this regard versus the musical arguments pro and con. I prefer the scherzo second–and I played this performance that way–so I don’t really care what any conductor does; I will simply listen as pleases me and so should you.
https://youtu.be/cVncQFQIul8?si=qT3-TWOEMd_cHUwb&t=278
>>124283183>i’ll give it a try.I'm guessing you may not like it. The first movement is quite drawn out. Still, the balance is miraculously clear throughout. I don't think I've heard a more transparent recording of the 6th.I need to revisit Haitink's early live 6th. I remember enjoying it a lot for the sound of the orchestra, especially because the live sound is wonderfully natural and the clarinet and tuba are spotlit to hell and sound delicious.It's on CD12 of the "Haitink Live - The Radio Recordings" on Red. Gonna give a listen this evening.>>124283240>most of the recordings in the SWRmusik boxes are likely from when he was past his prime.Yup. Big time. I'll probably upload some of his live stuff to my YouTube channel (and here as lossless files) when I find some time. There are some juicy morsels there. He actually has a Mahler 5 from Cincinnati that is *very* much modeled after Walter for example.Or his live performance of Bruckner's 9th has a particular detail that I've always had a mild obsession over since I first heard it. It's such a minor thing, but it's something I always look out for kinda like Schuricht's string tremolos in the Beethoven 9/1 fugue.https://files.catbox.moe/gzniy3.mp3>It is the only performance I know where you can hear what Bruckner wrote in the bars beginning with bar 87, where the descending cello pizzicati are noted first fortissimo then forte with accents above them and the indication ‘hervortretend’ i.e.‘emerging’. I don’t know any other performance, where you can hear this, Gielen’s own performances included
>>124283286i think both of gielen's mahler 7ths (one with SWR, one with berlin) date from the same period, the early 90s, the same time as his intercord beethoven cycle. for comparison, every other recording in his SWR mahler box is from later in the same decade or the 2000s and beyond save his mahler 4th (this appears to be another intercord recording) and his standalone adagio of the 10th (also intercord as mentioned above), leaving his intercord 9th as the only mahler recording from that time period that was never reissued elsewhere for whatever reason. his das lied von der erde is in the bizarre but not so uncommon situation of having all the tenor songs recorded nearly a decade before the alto songs, resulting in a mix. >>124283355you know me too well, i like it when the allegro part of allegro energico is taken seriously. is this bruckner 9 you're talking about available anywhere or is it only a live bootleg? speaking of schuricht's string tremolo's, you should listen to gielen's 9th; i think you'll be pleasantly surprised. it's a little too stiff on the whole, but those tremolos are definitely audible in his recording, though certainly not as much as schuricht's.
>>124283412>or is it only a live bootleg?Bootleg. His live Bruckner 9s that are publicly available are all kinda dull.>you should listen to gielen's 9th; i think you'll be pleasantly surprised. it's a little too stiff on the whole, but those tremolos are definitely audible in his recordingHaven't had time to hear the Beethoven 9th just yet on that cycle, but will do so soon.
>>124283431the classical world and refusing to issue actual good taped performances, name a more iconic duo
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>>124283776kekWhy do you zoomers hate pajeets so much anyway? Why are they the Big Other of your generation?
>>124283519They either don't know what they have or they don't want competition with themselves. Some part of me thinks it's the latter.
>>124283920it becomes really easy to understand once you have to deal with them in any capacity. >>124283938it could very easily be both, they're fucking stupid after all.
let's try<----start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 19 in C Minor, D. 958https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VovCNbNGB9I&list=OLAK5uy_lzrC3RihJ3mVMD3p0389iOG_OlWi3D-y8&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lzrC3RihJ3mVMD3p0389iOG_OlWi3D-y8Also added a Serkin D.959, and will probably go through Kempff's large set again.
The problem with exploring recordings of solo piano music is there are piles and piles of mediocre and worse performances, so to avoid having one's time wasted, it's easy to get stuck only listening to those by big names and names one already recognizes. With an orchestral piece, there's far less options so it's easier and faster to find the 'best' one. Yes, more options is generally a good thing but at a point with the standard repertoire, it just becomes overwhelming.
>>124284028>he thinks there are less recordings of beethoven's 5th than there are of franck's piano works
>>124284028yeah sure, but it's part of the fun digging recordingshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm_U9zZkI9s
>>124284075I didn't say that! Also funny you mention those, was finally gonna listen to Franck's piano stuff today (Hough).>>124284091True. I guess I just need to improve my ability to make a determination about a recording based on the first couple minutes.
Oh I didn't know Jansons passed away -- in 2019! That's sad.
lol this album cover
>>124284174what would strauss have to say about his tone poem about nietzsche being permanently associated with space because of some pretentious monkey movie?
>>124284091no thanks i prefer non jewish performers
>>124284186My point exactly, except 2001 is great. Stop using the word 'pretentious' unironically, it's peak midwit.
>>124284204i would say that a 15 minute sequence of space junk floating around set to the world's most overplayed waltz is pretty fucking pretentious. also whatever the ending sequence is—insufferable.
>>124284286>showy about insisting on its own greatness while lacking the actual substancethat sounds like a great description for a 15 minute sequence of space junk floating in a black void set to the world's most overplayed waltz. pray tell how i used the word pretentious inaccurately, and why other people misusing it means that i'm not allowed to use it, even correctly?
Mendelssohnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O0CuhgtJs4
what country contributed the most to the western canon?
now playingstart of Debussy: String Quartet in G Minor, Op. 10, L. 85https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9juhLJS_rXI&list=OLAK5uy_mMMXUTbBEkXO5P7CbxJQdTAy_ieNYGm4Y&index=2start of Ravel: String Quartet In F Major, M.35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL1TqnKsivo&list=OLAK5uy_mMMXUTbBEkXO5P7CbxJQdTAy_ieNYGm4Y&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mMMXUTbBEkXO5P7CbxJQdTAy_ieNYGm4Y
>>124284416basically the word gets used often by users of leddit and anon, having come from there, is triggered at every sighting of it so much so that he goes on a tangent every time it's used.
>>124284487Italy objectively. >>124283833/classical/ obviously doesn't welcome your insomniac scat fetishist overstay
Oh, and speaking of string quartets, I added this recording of Mendelssohn's String Quartets last night by the Pacifica Quartet, a group I keep an eye out for because of their lovely Shostakovich cycle, and it's marvelous, moving stuff. Check it out!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMaKl0C1PuY&list=OLAK5uy_l0YgvWoWe2z4xSGonv3wwWU-tCbWFn0kc&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l0YgvWoWe2z4xSGonv3wwWU-tCbWFn0kcAlso yes I know it's lame as fuck that the pieces aren't properly labelled beyond the individual movements, but it is what it is.
>>124284561One more personal callout like this and we're gonna have to step outside and throw hands, buddy.But yes on further thought I realize how silly I was for bringing it up, so I apologize.
How's Bruno Walter's recording of Brahms' German Requiem?
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Oh damn, it's been so long but I forgot that Gielen's Missa Solemnis with Cincinnati is on fire.
>>124283412>leaving his intercord 9th as the only mahler recording from that time period that was never reissued elsewhere for whatever reasonHere it is, BTW. https://litter.catbox.moe/a1ajwy.zipDon't have time to listen to it ATM since I'm going through his Cincinnati recordings
I'm new to classical music and I'm listening to works from each period and I'm sort of gathering>BaroqueMusic for the sake of God and Divinity>ClassicalMusic for the sake of Music>RomanticMusic for the sake of the Selfis this accurate? I haven't really got that into the Romantic period yet but this seems like the progression I'm noticing
help!! I have a 500 word essay due tomorrow on the emotional content and meaning of Gustav Mahler's 9th Symphony, and I haven't started listening to it yet. I'm a slow listener and I'll never finish in time. Can anyone here tell me what they feel when listening to it, what it's about??
>>124285445nice, thanks. i think i’ve had it requested on RED for literal years now and no one ever filled it, feel free to upload and fill if you care for whatever measly bounty i put up for it.>>124285498no, not really. >>124285526lol you’re fucked
>>124285498Yeah this is what they teach at schools, and it's bunch of bullshit. Although there is some truth in that, it's quite irrelevant to the music itself. The main differences lie within the styes of music, harmony, form, etc. Romanticism is often what draws people into the classical music, I'm surprised you haven't gotten into it yet.>>124285195/classical/ unsurprisingly does not welcome your insomniac scat fetishist overstay
>>124285498>Music for the sake of MusicI wouldn't say music 'for" the sake of music, but I get what you mean. There is a turn toward viewing the nature of the world and Being as something independent from (but still created by, of course) God, and discoverable through rationality which function on fundamental, immutable laws of logic. This of course applies to aesthetics and art and music.
>>124285609unsurprisingly not interested in your gay anal poop sex hookups, maybe try >>>/hm/ instead?>>124285651you could have cut this post in half by simply saying that the classical era was directly connected to the enlightenment.
>>124285526It's about coming to terms with death, the joy of living, and appreciating life's journey with all of its struggles and tribulations. This 'coming to terms' extends beyond just individual, personal life as well, into the closing of romanticism and 19th century life and turbulent transition into modernism and the 20th century
>>124285707>you could have cut this post in half by simply saying that the classical era was directly connected to the enlightenment.Of course, but maybe the OP wouldn't know what I meant by that.
>>124285756(all unrelated to the music btw)>>124285789i’d say you’re underestimating his intelligence, but you’re probably
>>124285823*you’re probably right
>>124285823>(all unrelated to the music btw)The formal aspects, sure. However, most music contains emotional, dramatic content and while most are straightforward enough to be distilled down to 'joy or despair, energetic or contemplative?' some are more complex than that, Mahler's work especially. I mean he considered writing programmes for his music.
>>124285894>he considered writing programmes for his music.and he abandoned them past the third. almost like interpreting random bullshit about mahler’s symphonies is precisely against what he ended up wanting for his own music.
>>124285935Abandoned the notes, not the emotional and imaginative content. It has everything to do with the music.
>>124285989there are no programmes of any sort in the 5th, 6th, 7th, or 9th. you’re smoking that bernstein crack.
>>124285609>what they teach at schoolsmaybe I'm regurgitating what I learned in music appreciation years ago in high school that I thought I would have forgot by now lol>>124285651from listening and comparing the most famous baroque and classical works I felt that the baroque music was more defined by its grandiose stylization and the classical music was less stylized and more explorative into what can be accomplished in a given piece. I've yet to really listen to much Romantic stuff but what I have heard it seems more stripped back and interested in conveying a feeling to the listener that relates a certain experience intended by the composer. The baroque music seems the most awe inspiring, the classical is the most stimulating, the romantic the most personal.
>>124286000It doesn't have to be explicitly as programmatic as, say, Beethoven's 6th Symphony to mean and evoke something beyond just anxiety, despair, hope, etc. in a totally abstract and general sense, while beautiful.
>>124286047>what I have heard it seems more stripped backyou clearly have not heard enough lol>>124286050yeah, no. that has nothing to do with whether or not a piece is programmatic, and none of the later instrumental mahler symphonies are programmatic, period. stop projecting your opinions onto the score.
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>>124285498The Romantic, Classical, Renaissance (sacred music) and modern eras are all degenerate as they often attempt incorporating non-musical elements in music. Opera is a degenerate genre which could only be explained by the lack of taste found in Italy. The only relevant music ever composed for its musical value was chamber music without titles, most baroque and classical music without titles.The ultimate musical degeneracy is clearly Mahler's symphonies and Impressionism, they were manifestations of the ineluctable abasement and prostitution of music. Beethoven's fifth could be considered as one of the first examples of this, although against the composer's intention, but rather because of philistines associating extra-musical ideas to said symphony, such as "fate knocking on the door" or similar retarded shit. Attempts at incorporating anything non-musical in music outside of Overtures and Opera is degeneracy. Most of said degeneracy originated in Germany, due to retarded romantic ideals; Wagner and Liszt would thus be the supreme degenerates of classical music.Chopin always looked at composers nicknaming pieces and doing similar things in contempt; he was right: Chopin was the last composer to walk this earth, before German degeneracy wiped music away and replaced it with effeminate, extra-musical ramblings, sold to dumb masses as "Zukunftsmusik", which should have been named "Unschicklichmusik".
>>124286089That's my point, it's not as binary as you're painting it. >We must recall that Mahler lived at a time when art was manifestly personal. The years before the First War were years of profound unrest in which a sense of dread and exhaustion permeated Europe, eliciting the paintings of Klimt, Beckmann, and Kokoschka, the writing of Kraus, Wedekind, and Hofmannsthal – works of art that reflected an obsession with analysis and transformation. It is hardly surprising that this particular man at this particular time should have written music wrung out of the deepest recesses of his complex personality and concerned with the great issues of life and death.>...>There seem to be two kinds of music in the first movement: music that is gentle, harmonious, sublimely beautiful, and resolved; and music that is complex, dissonant, full of tension and unresolved. And the structure of the movement seems to set these two kinds of music against each other. The former kind may be said to represent hope, joy, the possibility of peace, spiritual meaning, and an acceptance of death, while the latter may be said to represent hate, anguish, suffering, doubt, confusion, and fear.>Musically speaking, the former is represented in the ardent, yearning, nostalgic harmonies of late-nineteenth-century Romantic style; the latter, in the tortured, involuted, contrapuntal, and often virtually atonal style of the early twentieth-century. In 1909, when the Ninth Symphony was composed, Mahler stood at the very dividing line between these two worlds: he was the culmination of the past and the harbinger of the future, the pinnacle of the Romantic era and the admirer and champion of the young Schoenberg, standard-bearer of the Second Viennese School. The Ninth Symphony, Mahler’s last completed work, embodies this fundamental struggle between the two ages and depicts one man’s struggle between hope and despair, meaning and chaos, joy and resignation in the face of his own death.
>>124286089>>124286176Now, again, it isn't programmatic, there's nothing in it vulgar and crude that's along the lines of 'oh this bar represents X historical event' but it's surely aware of and giving voice to a cultural and historical moment, much like Beethoven's 9th and Enlightenment ideals and the French Revolution.
>>124286176a whole load of comical extra-musical nonsense that falls apart the second you realize that mahler died from strep throat that he caught literal years after writing the 9th. he wasn’t fucking nostradamus, he had intentions to continue performing and writing music for the foreseeable future. all this bullshit is just extensions of the batshit bernstein farewell theory.
>>124286233beethoven’s 9th literally contains an entire choral movement set to a text directly linked to the enlightenment, you fucking retard. what the hell were you thinking making such a totally disproportionate comparison?
>>124286253Right, which only means it was more explicit in its meaning. What about the rest of the 9th? What about his 3rd? Lemme ask you this then: so what exactly is the extent of emotional, dramatic content within works like these for you? "Any resemblance this music has to emotions and ideas permeating within the cultural psyche and relating to the human condition is purely coincidental?" When a work is joyful or tragic or whatever, it's strictly formal and self-contained? There's obviously a middle-ground, a spectrum.
>>124286355>What about the rest of the 9th?has no relation to any of those things>What about his 3rd?has a programmatic title and was literally almost named after and dedicated to napoleon, you dipshit. >what exactly is the extent of emotional, dramatic content within works like these for you?as much as the music itself entails. i don’t believe in projecting onto the score. >When a work is joyful or tragic or whatever, it's strictly formal and self-contained?when the finale of beethoven’s 5th expresses tremendous uproarious joy, i don’t assume that it’s because beethoven won the fucking lottery the day he wrote it or some shit. it represents joy and triumph coming out of the immense struggle and turbulence of the preceding scherzo and first movement, and that’s it. that’s all it needed to say.
>>124286434>has a programmatic title and was literally almost named after and dedicated to napoleon, you dipshit.Yes, that's my point, ya jabroni. So if we didn't know that "crossing off Napoleon's name in a rage" story and there wasn't the title, the music would all of a sudden cease to have any larger cultural, historical, and philosophical meaning? That's what you're suggesting?>when the finale of beethoven’s 5th expresses tremendous uproarious joy, i don’t assume that it’s because beethoven won the fucking lottery the day he wrote it or some shit. it represents joy and triumph coming out of the immense struggle and turbulence of the preceding scherzo and first movement, and that’s it. that’s all it needed to say.Yes. And some music say something more, or if not more, then relating what it says to something in real life. That doesn't make it full-on programmatic either, else all of Shostakovich's music would be programmatic.
>>124286507>So if we didn't know that "crossing off Napoleon's name in a rage" story and there wasn't the title, the music would all of a sudden cease to have any larger cultural, historical, and philosophical meaning?it would still have the title of eroica, which would say everything that needs to be said about it. >And some music say something more, or if not more, then relating what it says to something in real life.yeah, some music is more complex than just being happy or sad. that doesn’t give underachievers the excuse to live vicariously through their favorite composers and proclaim that mahler’s 9th is actually him predicting that he would die 2 years later of a random passing disease. >That doesn't make it full-on programmatic either, else all of Shostakovich's music would be programmatic.all shostakovich’s music expresses is irritation and neuroticism, so i fail to see the point of comparison.
>>124286556>it would still have the title of eroica, which would say everything that needs to be said about it.I asked "if... there wasn't the title?" >yeah, some music is more complex than just being happy or sad. that doesn’t give underachievers the excuse to live vicariously through their favorite composers and proclaim that mahler’s 9th is actually him predicting that he would die 2 years later of a random passing disease.Well, it doesn't have to be about something that specific to still be a meditation on death, at least partially.>all shostakovich’s music expresses is irritation and neuroticism, so i fail to see the point of comparison.lolBased on this reply and your first one in this post, I'm guessing you're aware I've got your King trapped in this argument. We can end the conversation here if you'd like, just consider the points I've made is all.
What is your favourite Ligeti piece?
>>124286606>I asked "if... there wasn't the title?"may as well ask what if the work was cast in B minor instead and if the main theme of the finale was swapped with the first movement theme of mozart’s jupiter. retarded theoreticals that change the fundamental character of the work are not worth entertaining.>Well, it doesn't have to be about something that specific to still be a meditation on deathwhich it isn’t, nowhere in the score is any such thing implied. >I’m guessing you're aware I've got your King trapped in this argument. no, i’m not aware of any such nonsense. it’s abundantly clear to me that mahler’s 9th is a piece of music and not an autobiography.
>>124286769>may as well ask what if the work was cast in B minor instead and if the main theme of the finale was swapped with the first movement theme of mozart’s jupiter. retarded theoreticals that change the fundamental character of the work are not worth entertaining.Both of those are much larger(in the second case much, much larger) changes than simply changing a name written on the score. And the inability or refusal to entertain hypotheticals is the sign of a second rate mind.
>>124286751His Requiem. It really is astonishing that Ligeti's Requiem can be utilized so many times and have such a hold on pop culture, and yet you still hear something new every time you listen to it. There’s a 50 year graveyard of pieces that try to emulate Ligeti’s micropolyphonic music, but can you imagine being the first person to write like that? There was zero precedent for music like that before Ligeti. He expressed emotions that had never been expressed before in art. It’s also astonishing that after centuries of Catholic tradition, a Transylvanian Jew came along and beat every previous composer at their own game. Ligeti wrote the greatest requiem of all time despite viewing the religious tradition behind the form as, at best, a fascination. If anything, that distance is key: Ligeti understood Catholicism as a vehicle for complex horrors, which is the perfect foundation for a work informed by his experience during the Holocaust. I don’t think a true believer could have done that as effectively.
>>124286769>may as well ask what if the work was cast in B minor instead and if the main theme of the finale was swapped with the first movement theme of mozart’s jupiter. retarded theoreticals that change the fundamental character of the work are not worth entertaining.LOL that's a good attempt at wiggling out of this ledge you're staring down right now, because you know if you answer my question honestly it proves me right.>which it isn’t, nowhere in the score is any such thing implied.The notes when it enters people's ears, heart, mind, and soul.>no, i’m not aware of any such nonsense. it’s abundantly clear to me that mahler’s 9th is a piece of music and not an autobiography.Because you know my question about removing the Eroica title from Beethoven's 3rd and my bringing up Shostakovich's music, which is a perfect demonstration of works which can carry such 'extramusical' meaning (it's not 'extra' musical as it's merely the interpretation *of* of the music, but whatever) without necessarily becoming outright programmatic, both prove my point.>>124286790He's trapped because he already admitted the 3rd does in fact contain what he terms 'extramusical' meaning, so he's stuck between trying to claim removing the title would change the meaning the music, which is idiotic, and conceding I'm right.Anyway I'm done if you're done talking about this, good talk, always nice to exercise the mind. Until next time.
>>124281661This would actually be a decent general if it weren't for the sisterposter, but the mods do insist on keeping him around.
>>124286824Why you got to meme at me bro?
>>124286867Well, they talk about and love music, and know what they're talking about. Anyone who fits that I'm glad to have around, no matter if I disagree with their opinions or wish they were less rude to random passersby and other posters.
>>124286751The etudes I posted the other day were nice. And of course their string quartets, 1 and 2. I've been meaning to check out more myself, maybe I'll do that tonight.
>>124286790>Both of those are much larger(in the second case much, much larger) changes than simply changing a name written on the score. all of them fundamentally change aspects of the score, so what’s the difference? why should something fundamentally impossible be entertained? >>124286844>because you know if you answer my question honestly it proves me right.your question puts the cart before the horse and is therefore impossible to answer. the work was conceived of with the title (napoleon, later eroica), if it had no title then it would be a completely different work. it’s pretty simple to understand. >The notes when it enters people's ears, heart, mind, and soul.so you’re projecting onto the score then. got it. >Shostakovich's music, which is a perfect demonstration of works which can carry such 'extramusical' meaningagain, shostakovich’s music only carries irritation and neuroticism, so i fail to see what sort of special extramusical meaning you’re ascribing to it. >removing the title would change the meaning the musicremoving the title would change the course of history and alter the third symphony into a completely different work, so yes, it would have indeed changed the meaning of it.
>>124286176>>124286927>it's not as binary as you're painting it>they x3
>>124286751https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYXBt2vDJNM
>>124286927>Well, they talk about and love music, and know what they're talking aboutBarely , and there's plenty here who know just as much or more but don't constantly shit up the thread with low quality shitposting. Whatever good qualities you think they have doesn't counteract all the shit they post
>>124287052>they x2
>>124286824It is a very haunting piece though. Atmospheres is always a very good onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr4vRRQKvQ&ab_channel=Erinnmnn>>124286938Could you repost the etudes?
>>124287060they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they
>>124286939howcanyoubesoobtuse.gifI know losing an argument must be an unfamiliar feeling for you, so conceding must be impossible. Whatever, I'm done, anyone who reads our replies can make up their own minds on the matter and I'm confident they'll land on my side. Good talk.
>>124287076Here:>>124167123 They're nice but the string quartets are his real major work. Not for everyone though.
>>124287098>ehehehehe i won and you lost eheheheheheok lol, if you say so
feels like a Mahler 7 and 9 day, and Strauss' Tod und Verklarung is the perfect interlude here and opening for the 9th.
>>124287092it makes me very happy to see such inclusive practices on board thank you for commitment to lgbtq policies>>124287098>claims victory and runsim pretty sure only losers do this?
>>124287120>>124287125...seriously? If anon won't even entertain the hypothetical of removing the title of a symphony because it's "impossible" and would "be a completely different work," then he's not arguing in good faith because he knows he's caught in a zugzwang, so what's the point?
Xenakishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crqx8TTqgA4
>>124287136removing the title of a symphony is no different to me from removing an entire movement or removing the preceding 2 symphonies that came before the eroica and pretending it’s the first thing beethoven ever wrote. it’s a nonsensical, chronologically impossible occurrence, the piece only exists because of the inspiration of napoleon/the unnamed hero, and without it (and therefore the title) it falls to pieces and ceases to exist like a building that just had its foundation swept from underneath it. does that make it easier for your lesser mind to comprehend?
D'Indy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D77TPL0SQsU&list=OLAK5uy_nKvHOgT8mt9l2O2H92mZZ6ebs1Z63eX20&index=1&pp=8AUB
>>124287167>removing the title of a symphony is no different to me from removing an entire movementLMAO
>>124283335Can't be doing with these 17 hour Operas. Wagner should slice them into 1 hour segments or consider a brutal rewrite
>>124287179he is right too
>>124287184Wagner raped your mind.
>>124286123>degenerate as they often attempt incorporating non-musical elements in musichow does this make it degenerate? not saying I disagree but I don't see the connection. also I would disagree that giving music a narrative or like you said nicknames is inherently bad, its just a neutral fact of expression for many
>>124287167>But I did have breakfast this morning
>>124287167>>124287179So if someone attended a performance of Beethoven's 3rd, and was never told the title or shown the subtitle or movement name or any of these clues, it would cease to contain any larger cultural, historical, and philosophical meaning then? And if the person heard and felt such meaning from the music anyway, what, they would be accidentally right? But wrong if the other information were never known?>>124286939>again, shostakovich’s music only carries irritation and neuroticism, so i fail to see what sort of special extramusical meaning you’re ascribing to it.C'mon bro, you obviously know the music expresses the feeling and struggle of the human condition under oppression. In Shostakovich's case it's a specific oppression, but the message is universal, of course, as all great art is.
>>124287260whoops meant to reply to: >>124287211>>124287249lol I had the same first thought when reading their post.
>>124287405Glad you enjoy it, I loved it too. He also has some cello concertos you should check out. Tons of symphonies too but I haven't explored them beyond one.
>>124287432I may do, that didn't seem to link properly so I was just going to repost it, but you know the one I mean
>>124287493It did, it's just that the thread it was posted in was deleted. It's still viewable with 4chan x or whatever.
>>124287270No. I believe that quality art is able to transcend its creator, message and context. You can strip away the composers name or the title from a symphony and nothing will change, it's still gonna be same piece regardless. However, by removing a movement you are removing a piece from a complete work and what's left is an incomple work. Sure, you can listen to each movement individually, but that is also different from taking away one from a symphony.
>>124287686I'm confused, sounds like you're agreeing with me.
>>124287506Any idea why it was deleted?
>>124287703The thread? Seems like the Mahoposter OP deleted it. No idea, maybe because they forgot the '/classical/' in the title if I had to guess. Then we migrated over to this one.
is it possible to listen to too much classical music? I've been listening to a lot over the past few days and have been really enjoying it but feel like I'm having some sort of existential dread going on in my subconscious. am I giving my brain too much to process?
>>124287697no
>>124287727I'm saying you can remove the Eroica title and nothing about the work would change. The other anons I'm arguing with are saying such an act would be impossible to even imagine, and is the equivalent of removing an entire movement from the work. Obviously removing the movement is a big deal; removing the title is not.They're suggesting the symphony only has its 'meaning' as a result of the title. I was calling that ridiculous, hence why I brought up the hypothetical of removing the title, and if that would change anything about the music; I say no, they say yes.
>>124287725it can be overwhelming at first, but one can get used to it, or just take it easyyour choice
>>124287725If you need a break, take a break. Or do something while listening some of the time, like casual reading or going for a walk or whatever.
>>124287249retarded analogy>>124287260>So if someone attended a performance of Beethoven's 3rd, and was never told the title or shown the subtitle or movement name or any of these clues, it would cease to contain any larger cultural, historical, and philosophical meaning then?the music can still be broadly described as “heroic”, there is little reason that it couldn’t be; and even so, no, i don’t believe that the average person listening to the eroica blind would go “gee lois this reminds me of the time napoleon overthrew the french monarchy and crowned himself emperor!”>And if the person heard and felt such meaning from the music anyway, what, they would be accidentally right?i’d wager schizophrenic if they could predict such details to such absurd degrees of accuracy. >C'mon bro, you obviously know the music expresses the feeling and struggle of the human condition under oppression.coulda fooled me. all i hear is irritating whining and neurotic hand wringing.
>tfw can't tell a Major and Minor 7th apart unless I hear them back to back
>>124287995>>124287249
>>124288051>>124287995>retarded analogy
>>124288078You didn't need to reply again. I get it-you don't understand analogies. You don't need to keep hammering that point in
>>124288093you didn’t need to reply again. i get it—you’re too retarded to understand the breakfast meme. you don’t need to keep hammering that point in.
>>124287995All I'm saying is expression in music isn't entirely self-contained or formal, and in fact can go further to specific philosophical, cultural, and/or historical ideas. Oppression and suffering in Shostakovich; love, death, joy, despair, tranquility, turbulence, stability, change, the close of romanticism, and the onset of modernism in Mahler; Enlightenment ideals of fraternity, equality, and freedom, and heroism in Beethoven, and so on. Many pieces are purely formal, of course, but there's nothing wrong with analyzing non-programmatic works in the aforementioned way is my point, and I myself find it very interesting, but I'm biased because I come from a literature background so that's the way I view things.
>MUST.GET.LAST.WORD.IN.OR.I. LOSE!!!!!!!LMAO whatever dude. Watch him respond anyway though(my money is on a lame no u "or that picture is actually U!")
I don't know why but I felt motivated to upload this today. Beethoven - Missa Solemnis - Michael Gielenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYGn0il6Rsghttps://litter.catbox.moe/eus5iu.zipLive performance from Cincinnati in 1982. It was the first time Gielen performed the piece, I think. It's quite comparable to Szell's, actually. Szell definitely has better soloists, and perhaps a more virtuoso choir, but I don't think the May Festival Chorus is too far behind. Anyway, super energetic performance in very good sound quality considering it's a pirate recording. Organ inaudible as usual.
>>124287995>>124288166As for the granular stuff, it can be true in a previous time without meaning that to us today; what makes a great work of art enduring is its ability to resonate with us in our time. Those things about heroism and Enlightenment ideals Beethoven expressed are still relevant to use today, in the same way Greek tragedies often contained commentary about specific contemporary events and questions, and when viewed more broadly, still elucidates the human condition for us today.While doing so in a beautiful way, obviously.
>>124288212Neat, thanks. When you mentioned it above, I searched on YouTube Music for what they had, and all I found were ones he recorded with small German orchestras or something.
>>124288166>Oppression and suffering in Shostakovichwhining and hand wringing maybe>love, death, joy, despair, tranquility, turbulence, stability, change, the close of romanticism, and the onset of modernism in Mahlerso basically as much random bullshit as you could think of? got it>Enlightenment ideals of fraternity, equality, and freedom, and heroism in Beethovenbeyond heroism, the vast majority of that really does not apply to beethoven’s music outside of the 9th for obvious reasons. how the fuck am i supposed to hear “equality” in beethoven’s 8th? it’s just an enjoyable, witty, funny piece of music. you’re trying too hard to apply blanket statements to composers when the reality is that it only applies to a handful of their pieces, just like how the countryside of the pastoral only applies to just that symphony. >there's nothing wrong with analyzing non-programmatic works in the aforementioned way is my pointwell, for one, it’s obviously bullshit, and for every theory you come up with, you’ll find 15 people (likely including myself) who think you sound like an insane person. >I myself find it very interestingcool, you’re free to do so, but don’t pretend that it stems from any objective tangible aspect of the music. >>124288171very nice selfie, maybe try posting it on >>>/soc/ instead?>>124288212the missa solemnis may as well be a piece for chorus, soloists, and orchestra sans organ at this point. it’s tragic. >>124288224yeah, i really don’t care. this is the classical music thread, not the philosophical navelgazing thread, and the average person that these greek tragedies are supposed to relate to cares even less than i do.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMqP3u7WWQ
These powers of prediction they're....they're almost a burden at times
>>124288286>so basically as much random bullshit as you could think of? got itNot my fault he put an entire universe into each symphony :^)
>>124288306ngl I do chuckle most times they reply with it
>>124288306lift yourself of that burden by taking your lithium. >>124288307a whole world of expression and emotion, yes. but that has nothing to do with “HE HECKIN PREDICTED THE THREE HAMMERBLOWS OF FATE OMGGGG” or “brooooo this is like the end of romanticism brooooooo… wait, who is richard strauss?”
>>124288300That's really cool
>>124288324Expressing what? Which emotions?
>>124288334depends on which world we’re talking about.
>>124288363>We seem to emerge from contemplating the reality of death not in a state of gloom, but with a sense of joy. Unlike Tchaikovsky’s Pathetique, a model for this symphony, it ends in major not in minor. It has none of the nihilism and cold sense of futility which is found in so much contemporary art. On the contrary, there is a deep attachment to joy. Despair and knowledge of suffering are turned into a discovering of the meaning and value of life.The 9th of course, if you don't mind.
>>124288402a load of nonsense, there is nothing about “death” in the 9th. again, all this bullshit is simply an autobiographical projection onto the music; had mahler lived til the same age as strauss, no one would be saying anything nearly as nonsensical. the first movement obviously begins with a stirring, beautiful, life affirming main subject that constantly returns ala rondo. the second subject is a tragedy, an oppositional force that the first subject is constantly tries to wrest itself away from but is unable to up until the very end. the second movement is a parody of various dances, from the clumsy (as the score dictates) to the cultured, uptempo waltz; again, a clash of opposing forces. the rondo burleske is more straightforward—violent, aggressive, defiant (again, as the score dictates), chaotic, with a brief reprieve in the central section. and then the adagio finale expresses weariness in the face of the chaos and violence of the rondo-burleske, and weaves itself to a closure of uncertain acceptance. see? no autobiographical bullshit necessary. only the music.
>>124288497Much appreciated, genuinely.
>>124288518are you usually not genuine? for what reasons would you comma genuinely other than to express a detour from your usual mode?
>>124288838Jesus Chri-- sometimes it's hard to convey sincerity on the internet. Genuine thanks can be misconstrued as snide and mocking.
now playingstart of Franck: Prelude, Choral & Fugue, CFF 24https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_JGYea_tIc&list=OLAK5uy_mRTtw8LXyIccgifk3U6BYSENbTeG0HTUg&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mRTtw8LXyIccgifk3U6BYSENbTeG0HTUg
I feel like before I can truly appreciate great works I have to quit watching porn for good
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA94vxR4fw&list=OLAK5uy_k_mcEi_XLndiJ3tTKlAYdTJC1LgDRsVss&index=1
>>124290341Short but sweet
>>124290433It's the first track on the playlist for the recording. But yeah, that particular piece is.
>>124288212this performance is great. i love how in your face the chorus in on this
Any good instrumental Renaissance music?
>>124288212Much appreciated.
>>124290618I like the English Virginalists.
Histers, what do you consider to be the top must have his-recordings?Désormière's 1941 recording of Debussy's Pelléas et Mélisande is a vital one I'm aware of.
>>124286104/classical/ seemingly does not welcome your insomniac scat fetishist overstay
Barenboim playing Pathetique https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SrcOcKYQX3c&pp=ygUYYmVldGhvdmVuIHBhdGhldGlxdWUgamF6
>>124289347The key is to listen to the great works while watching porn on mute- it’s what Wagner would have wanted.
>>124290341This guy always annoyed me. He looks like a literal mutt.
Name some engineers outside of germany you lads like, my pool is quite small due to mainly listening to German performers.
>>124292300Isambard Kingdom Brunel
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Is there anything of particular interest in these (mostly) early works?
>>124290618Anything by Byrd. Also, Cabezon
>>124293216/classical/ vehemently rejects your insomniac scat fetishist overstay
>>124293354902 made me look up
>>124293372who gave you the authority to speak for the general
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>>124293354https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_auwKNcIXbQyeah
Name ONE baroque concerto better than Brandenburg 5
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>>124293888/classical/ vehemently opposes your insomniac scat fetishist overstay
>>124292300Kenneth Wilkinson.
>>124278440That second cello sonata was really nice. Insane since every time I've listened to one of this guy's symphonies they're a bit of a slog.
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Why are spanish composers underrated?
>>124294358so basically 4chan has lots of anonymous posters who come and go, who lurk and submit posts, but the one thing it doesn't have is unanimous consent. it is this quality that makes it unique and different from the website that you come from. moreover, i put to you, that no one gave you the authority to speak for the whole of classical because no one has the power to do such a thing.
>>124290756
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Liking Beethoven is a sign of low musical intelligence.There's a reason why every FIRETRUCK composer for the past two hundred years has absolutely adored Beethoven and been deeply inspired by his work. And that reason is because the music that Beethoven created always seems full of forward momentum and rhythmic bluster, and always seems to be trying to be an advocate for some sort of emotional conflict or triumph. It seems very dramatic and self-absorbed.If you Iove the romantic style compared to other styles thats one thing. But you have to loathe the lack of sublety of Beethoven's work.Liking Beethoven is like liking young adult novels or reality shows. It comes off as ignorant.
>>124290756Edwin fischer wtcSchnabel beethoven sonatas
>>124294517also their schubert
>>124290756Die Walkure Act 1 with Walter, Melchior, and Lehmann.Unfortunately it will also ruin every other Act 1 for you.
probably an entry level question but which Bach should i check out after listening to the brandenburg concertos and the goldberg variations?
>>124295029Keyboard concertoshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF81B6EFFAE902A3BMass in B minor + Well-tempered clavier.
Wagner is Dionysus.
If the big 3 of Classical had to be 4, who would you include?
>>124295468Wagner obviously. For fifth: Byrd.
>>124295468Schubert or Haydn.
>>124295468I would remove the present 3 from that stupid list and make it less stupid by adding the following: Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Scriabin and Prokofiev.
>>124295519Wagner will never be on the same level as the other 3, he simply overcommitted to opera, he doesn't have good keyboard music, he doesn't have good chamber music, hell he doesn't even have good vocal music some may say.
>>124295468Schubert, Brahms or Schoenberg.
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>>124295567t. Ivan Ivanovich
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>>124296594/classical/ cleistogamously scorns your insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124296616/classical/ mystagogically anathematizes your insomniac scat fetishist overstay
let's try<-----start of playlist for the recordinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJK1gzKwIUk&list=OLAK5uy_nKrL3cj4hUG5FjXvoys1JixryqUbebu98&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nKrL3cj4hUG5FjXvoys1JixryqUbebu98
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>>124283355Gave the early Haitink live 6th another listen. It's as I remember - lacking in drama but orchestral color of the Concertgebouw is so well projected on that recording that I almost don't care.I also gave the early Gielen 6th another listen - it's been a few years. I have to say I'm even more positive about it than I was back then, why don't more conductors take it at this tempo?
>>124296634/classical/ transovarianly excoriates your insomniac scat fetishist overstay
>>124296636the early gielen mahler 6 is seriously great if you don’t mind it being a little breathless at times. i think it bothers me a little though.>>124296647transovarianly (sounds like the gay pajeet’s latest sex change operation) not interested in your gay anal poop sex hookups, maybe try >>>/hm/ instead?
>>124296675/classical/ monodactyly reprobates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124296739/classical/ intracavitarily proscribes your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124296758/classical/ hematogenously vituperates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124296631no thanks i prefer non jewish performers
>>124296798/classical/ forewarningly arraigns your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124296904/classical/ fructiferously objurgates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124296923/classical/ gentlemanly asperses your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124296958/classical/ ventrolaterally castigates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124296994/classical/ zigzaggedly discredits your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124297064/classical/ teknonymously excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124297097/classical/ tralatitiously incriminates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124297137/classical/ transdermally censures your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124297157/classical/ uncoquettishly reviles your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124297207/classical/ spartanically damns your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124297237/classical/ splendiferously denunciates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124297289/classical/ subcutaneously pans your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124297403/classical/ quarrelsomely knocks your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124297484/classical/ intercontinentally excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124297801/classical/ ballistically excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124297944/classical/ nuclearly excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124297991/classical/ bombastically excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124298171/classical/ remonstratingly excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124298238/classical/ renewably excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
>>124298263Where did the 'overstay' part come from? What does it mean, that they've overstayed their welcome? Strange wording I guess.
>>124298263renewably (the gay pajeet is greta thunberg now?) not interested in your gay anal poop sex hookups, maybe try >>>/hm/ instead?>>124298414from the voices in his head, obviously, just like everything else in his post.
>>124298438/classical/ demonstrably excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay>>124298414>that they've overstayed their welcome? Yes.>Strange wording I guess.Is there anything not strange about the resident sisterschizo?
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>>124298534/classical/ remuneratively excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124298603/classical/ resumptively excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124298638/classical/ resuscitably excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay
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>>124298681Your mother lmfao
>>124298715she's alive and well, thanks for asking though.
>>124298762Not the real one.
>>124298775not the real what?
>>124298780Your mommy.
>>124298820yes, she's alive and well, thanks for asking.
>>124298841She must be braindead if her offspring is this retarded.
>>124298852the fact that she isn't should tell you that your hypothesis is based on faulty grounds, gay pajeet.
>>124298861>the fact that she isn't Lmfao. She is, in fact, as braindead as you.
>>124298884thankfully not, she's alive and well, thanks for asking.
>>124298931She is, in fact, as braindead as you. No need to pretend, insomniac.
>>124298954thankfully not, she's alive and well, thanks for asking.
>>124298986/classical/ historically excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay and your braindead mommy
>>124299008historically (based on what history?) not interested in your gay anal poop sex hookups, maybe try >>>/hm/ instead?thankfully not, she's alive and well, thanks for asking though.
>>124299096/classical/ sanguinarily excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay and your braindead mommy
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>>124299231/classical/ phonogramically excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay and your braindead mommy
>>124299263phonographically (lol are we recording this on wax cylinders?) not interested in your gay anal poop sex hookups, maybe try >>>/hm/ instead?thankfully not, she's alive and well, thanks for asking though.
>>124299286/classical/ piquantly excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay and your braindead mommy
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>>124299393/classical/ brachistochronely excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay and your braindead mommy
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>>124299464/classical/ polymorphically excoriates your monoecious and insomniac scat fetishist overstay and your braindead mommy
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