New Glenn maiden flight and Starship Flight 7 on the 10th - editionprevious >>16535033
New Glenn gonna collide with Starship mid air
>>16537043no homo
>>16537041Falcon 9's up to 18.4 tons demonstrated reusable (23 800kg Starlinks), while Starship's going to start with ~64.8 tons reusable with Starlink V3s (54 1200 kg Starlinks).
>>16537053We are going to War. No time for mars
>>16537041i just woke up! i am so excited to watch the first new glenn launch today!!
>>16537053>the UK becoming the 51st stateBased timeline.
>>16537053this vibes https://youtu.be/ojeaZaw6Rw8?si=OFsW33CQtT_3jNtd&t=33
>>16537053What's even going on with UK? The whole country operates like it was under occupation after a lost war.
>>16537058>If a random person says this: "Lol, they're just having a laugh.">If Elon Musk says this: "HE MUST BE STOPPED!"
>>16537053being absolutely based as usual
>>16537068it's a nothingburger
>>16537053Why is he obsessed with the UK? Is he ADHD?
>>16537069You don't think there is a material difference if some random internet shitter vs. one of the most powerful men on earth goes navy seals copypasta on your ass?
>>16537053With Elon Musk going full on schizo for the past week, will SpaceX survive and continue without Musk?
>>16537069Random people don't have billions of dollars and the ear of the leader of the most powerful country in the world.
>>16537053he appears to be shitposting
>>16537053soon
>>16537077Neither Tesla nor SpaceX really need him anymore. Tesla would arguably be better off without him. For SpaceX, he's a good way to keep attention off of Gwynne so she can get work done while Elon is wanking around in public. Thing is, Telsa can throw him out easily enough but SpaceX is difficult. There are many estimates about how much of the company he owns, but those seem to be based on shaky data from iffy sources. There's no good way to know just how much outside investment there's been and how much control that outside money has.
>>16537080UK is under genocidal rape, they need to be liberated
>>16537083yes they do
>>16537083>Neither Tesla nor SpaceX really need him anymore.completely wronggo back
>>16537084Don't you think that the British people would do something if they disliked the current situation?
>>16537083When Elon is gone, those companies will fall so fast fags like you will be coping about it for decades
>>16537089no, they're the descendants of the people who put up with it rather than leave. Americans are almost all descended from people who looked around and said yeah fuck this shit forever. Behavior like that is genetic.
>>16537053Bongs are going to get one large order of FREEDOM fries
speaking of the UK, what happened to those smallsat launchers that were going to launch from there?
>>16537093richard branson MIA
>>16537093Skyrora and Orbex?>The maiden flight of Orbex's Prime is expected to occur in 2025, subject to the availability of SaxaVord Spaceport and a Civil Aviation Authority launch licence>Hot-fire tests of the first stage of Skyrora XL are scheduled to take place no earlier than late 2024two more years, trust the plan
>>16537096coincidentally, both of these companies are scottish lmaoengland can't into space
>>16537097ahem, Virgin Orbit. Retard.
>>16537075An anon in another thread speculated that all this noise is just to cover the stink of the H-1B visa fiasco, where he greatly pissed off the MAGAs. Either that or it's pure unbridled autism.
>>16537099another american company
>>16537101richard muffugin brandson SONlaunched from UKdumb fuck
>>16537089they go to prison if they talk about it
>>16537100it's to distract from the fact boeing is about to announce their ufo tech to the world, completely destroying tesla in the process
>>16537089They tried, and the representatives of the Crown punished the victims. People who have taken umbrage with this have been repeatedly sentenced to lengthy prison terms. Without scandal sufficient to incite the potential for revolution, there is no fix for this within the borders of the United Kingdom.
many such casesso sayeth mr musk
if new glenn gets delayed to the 10th then we'd have 5 launches on that day (see pic)would 5 launches in a day be the most ever?
>>16537106Why doesnt the CIA just assassinate the current leaders?
>>16537102musk, a south african man, founded spacex. that doesn't mean spacex is a south african company.roscosmos usually launches from kazakhstan. that doesn't mean they are a kazakh agency.
>>16537109It wouldn't solve the problem, it'd destabilize a nominal and important ally, and the UK has nukes. It's a lose/lose/lose proposition.
>>16537110Virgin Group was founded in UK you stupid butt fucker. guess what virgin orbit is a subsidiary of
>>16537111Ok, provide a win/win scenario that involves a US ground invasion and total annexation of the UK.
SPEHS
>>16537113Not much cause or need to assassinate or invade: you basically just sit down at a table and give a list of terms for annexation and hash out what it takes to make the royal family and parliament quietly and permanently fuck off.
>>16537115The only terms will be terms of unconditional and total surrender
The main reason to annex the UK would be their resources. They aren't rich in minerals or hydrocarbons anymore and have you seen their demographics.Canada first.
>>16537118The main reason would be their technology and strategic position. There are still a few things the UK knows how to do exceptionally well.
>>16537118if we dont do it, russia will
>>16537120Russia taking over the UK is a bit extreme even for alterative reality vatnik fanfic authors.
>>16537112i'm very much aware that the virgin group is british. however, virgin orbit, considered a branch or subsidiary or whatever you wanna call it, was a us-based company. headquarters were located in long beach, california.
He's doing all this so that New Glenn gets delayed again lmao genius
>>16536998I've built shuttles in KSP but never attempted Starship. Anyone got any tips? Stock preferably
>>16537083I feel like I've read this exact post before
>>16537127Making Starship in stock KSP doesn't make much sense, because you need that big payload bay and your best option is the one from shuttle. You can always download Starship mod, but if you want to make your own version then download Nertea's mods, Near Future and Far Future.Once you have the payload bay figured out, the biggest issue are flaps and their controls. I did it some time ago, so I don't remember the details, but you apply controls of those hinges as pitch. Sadly, you can't control more than one axis with them.
>>16537053Begging to be assassinated. That's what.Because I want 5 eyes dead, not US annexing my state.It has done nothing but kill me, my family and countrymen with it's subversion tactics. Death to America.
>>16537151>Because I want 5 eyes dead, not US annexing my state.What are you, Irish? If you're in Ireland or Scotland, quite frankly, you can have your states; you guys blatantly don't want to be Americans, and most of those who do, or did, emigrated long ago.
>>16537151lmao, quit blaming America, it's your own fault
>>16537058Yes.I have been saying this for six months now.He's climbing up the fence right now.Anyways, he's unironically correct this time.Britain needs a healthy serving of LIBERTY pie, soccer enjoying it's correct name again, license free television, taxation imposed on them without representation in Congress just like Puerto Rico, etc.>>16537053They are trying to make the NWO one world government actually real, except it's just America eating everything.
>>16537164>LIBERTY pie, soccer enjoying it's correct name again, license free televisionI think I'd rather hang on to my foreskin instead, but thanks for the offer. Cheers.
>>16537164>license free televisionlol only out of touch boomers watch tv anymore
Do you guys think New Glenn is actually going to stick the landing?
>>>/wsg/5777367
>>16537194There is no real reason why they cant, BE-4 is a better engine overall. Unless there's something seriously crappy under the hood, they'll probably stick it.
>>16537194nope. Unlike spacegg, boing has practically no experience doing this. It will definitely get aborted
>>16537194They need to. They're going "slow and steady" rather than SpaceX's optimize EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME mode for fast/cheap/powerful/efficient/reusable. Plus its a classic landing that they've already done with their smaller suborbital rocket. So lets see
>>16537194I think theres a decent chances. From what I heard BO is going for a super conservative landing profile by launching a light payload and hovering over the pad. I do think this increases their chances vs going straight for a hoverslam.
>>16537202They're not hoverslam. They havent even with their shepard vehicles. It just hovers for few seconds and them comes down to land. SpaceX is the only one doing precision perfect slams.
>>16537204>sfg has no reading comprehension
>>16537194There's a chance, and it's a better chance than most groups trying for it. The hardware is untested but New Shepard will have given them a lot of experience with software and procedure.
>>16537194Yes, 100%.gradatim foreciter
>>16537205>/sfg/ is one person
>STARSHIP: Episode 1 - "Prologue"Thought it would be more interesting, like history of Starship, but it's just a few pretty scenes and dudes reacting to launch.https://youtu.be/7LZbVULx280
>>16537055possibly a very nice obscure reference
>>16537041Last night I had a dream of the New Glenn launch. the second stage was launching a few meters into the air and the first stage just felt together and dropped into the flame trench and Blue Origin acted like it was some kind of success.
https://x.com/Digantarahq/status/1876282566531289386>Earlier this morning, from our South American site, we captured a low-elevation pass of SpaDeX-A (SDX01) and SpaDeX-B (SDX02) at 09:30 AM IST. These two spacecraft, currently separated by an estimated 4.5 km, are setting the stage for the groundbreaking docking of the ISRO SpaDeX Mission.
https://x.com/astro_Pettit/status/1876154709519806543>Flying over aurora; intensely green.
>>16537237yeah, I can see this happening
Elon is a retard
>>16537053Holy based. Long overdue.
test
https://x.com/andst7/status/18761862674799044721.5 bil military comm contract between Italy and Starlink
>>16537083you are actually retardedestimated IQ of 75
>>16537257Kek you frens later anons
>>16537083you cant get rid if him hes the definition of filthy rich. hell keep gobbling up money until hes a trillionare and then if theres any pretence of there being a democracy itll be name only with him as a dictator.
>>16537194I give it an extremely low likelihood. I would take 20 to one odds against.
>>16537264God I hope so
>>16537268so you're telling me... there's a chance
>>16537270I would only be conservative if I was betting my own money because I don't like gambling.They haven't even tested reentry. There are so many things that could go wrong and have never been tested that expecting it to succeed is ridiculous.You can't seriously expect it.
>>16537264gobble up? are you retarded?the companies he started are providing services and products to people that buy them out of their free will, this gives the companies earnings which then give the companies a theoretical valuation on the stock markethow is he gobbling up money?fucking retard
>>16537053https://x.com/jeremykauffman/status/1876280892085457209
>>16537053He needs to be arrested and executed fucking yesterday
>>16537287paki rape apologist detected
>>16537151Why dont you kill your own politicians then?
>>16537053This is extremely provocative
>>16537282Thats almost funny with how gratuitous it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud0kVetGcIw>Coming Up On Starship Flight 7 | SpaceX Starbase
>>16537289New Delhi shitsmeared cow piss chugging granny scamming jeet detected
>>16537293I remember a similar story from Sweden I think but with adult womengetting raped repeatedly by random unrelated groups of refugees/muslims
Random question, If starship launches from Florida, will the sonic booms during landing be heard in Orlando?
>>16537298nah they dont even hear it in brownsville
when bo lunch when SS launch?
How come the Boca Chica area was empty in the first place? Seems like an ideal place to put your shit, any shit, there a long time ago.>t. non-burger
>>16537304Butts up against the border, far enough away from brownsville / other densely populated areas so any conveniences or services are away from you, you can’t own the beach itselfBasically the same reason there’s a lot of unused wetland acreage all along the coast from texas all the way up to the mississippi river outlet in Louisiana. Nothings there and it’s costly to be a “first mover” for any type of industrial-focused venture
>LG showcasing fake/digital windows at CES todayso this is what space colonists will have to look forward to...
>>16537304it's one of worst places to put anything except boomer retirement homes. how fucking stupid are you?
>>16537312This and flirting with meta AI instagram accounts will surely fix my mental health
>>16537313why
>>16537312this is gonna make /x/bros extra paranoid
>>16537312>>16537321/x/ told me they've been using this tech for all spacecraft windows since mercury
>>16537053>CIA will fund coup d'état in Britain
>>16537318Encircled by protected environment. Almost at the sea level so constant flooding.
>>16537109Because La Cia aren't good guys.
>>16537332Expanding human consciousness off of the Earth first requires the total military conquest of Earth's puny nationstates. Billions must fly.
That's insane!
Modern version of Kursk when?
>>16537342"Ruotsi" means "Sweden", btw. And Venäjä is Russia, and Viro - Estonia.
>>16537344All great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. The first time as tragedy, the second time as farce
>>16537347I too believe ww2 was a total farce
>>16537344What, like an Oscar III?
>>16537108If they delay this New Gland even more day.
>>16537110Considering that the Kazakhs seized Baikonur it might as well be now
>>16537068It makes a lot more sense when you realize the UK government views its citizens as property.>defending yourself? that is damaging government property!
>>16537198>BE-4 is a better engine overallAnon you need to be more subtle.
what even is elon’s relationship with his padre? Reconciled? Hates his guts?
>>16537383>you need to be more subtle.let her show off, she's been working very hard for this
>>16537402this is so dumb
>>16537346""Sweden""
>>16537403you're just jealous you don't have 7 be-4s
>>16537402I like the smug finger-gun one more.
>>16537407basically all the NG rocketgirls I've seen so far are super smug and overconfident. Kinda makes me want to see her fail miserably...
new bergerhttps://arstechnica.com/space/2025/01/outgoing-nasa-administrator-urges-incoming-leaders-to-stick-with-artemis-plan/basically says that starship will never be able to replace sls, otherwise we'll lose space to the chinese>But do I think that they are going to cancel, as some of the chatter out there suggests, and replace SLS with Starship? The answer is no.>Do you think that President Trump would rather have a conversation with American astronauts during his tenure rather than listening to the comments of Chinese astronauts on the Moon during his tenure?
>lots of off-topic posting, yet only 1 post was deleted>lots of well written posts that look like generated by LLMswas 4chan bought by Musk already?
>Ars: Do you think you have some options that are affordable for the mission(MSR)?>Bill Nelson: Well, that's why I pulled the plug on it, because it was too costly, and it was going to take all the way to 2040, and that's unacceptable. So I think you will see in the options that we're going to present on Tuesday that our desire to bring it in quicker and cheaper is certainly doable.no fucking way, mars sample return is actually gonna happen? before I die, even? I thought it was just a funny jokeit's gonna be starship, isn't it
>>16537421>it's gonna be starship, isn't itit's gonna be electron
>>16537421>it's gonna be starship, isn't itHow would you refuel it
>>16537420also, next Starship flight when?
>I believe that at least for the human program going to the Moon and then eventually to Mars, I think that Elon, with his personal relationship with the president-elect, can make sure that NASA has the money to accomplish that. And for that reason, I am optimistic.based Nelson is a Elon believer. A beliElon?
>>165374262 weeks
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1876346630124818570>I got a tip that Sierra Space CEO Tom Vice was fired this morning. I asked the company, and they say he retired, effective Dec. 31.Uncertain future for Dream Chaser
>>16537446getting out before the disaster?
>>16537453Maybe, but it doesn't sound like it was a very willing departurehttps://x.com/PettitFrontier/status/1876348113604186160>Right before Dreamchaser’s debut too. Ouch.https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1876348207388918090>"right before" I'm not sure about that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8laNo8ZQ7MStarlink launch from LC-39A in T-60:00
>>16537418But sfg told me Starship and FH could do all the Artemes missions
>>16537472Starship and F9 could put astronauts and 100T of cargo on the moon if you refuel the starship in highly elliptical eatrh orbit
>>16537243What exactly is so special about a docking procedure?
>>16537481Usually the first time your probe docks with a receptacle is an exciting moment, if you know what I mean.
>>16537346why are your names wrong
>>16537486These aren't "my" names, I'm not Finnish. I just know this because I finished the Duolingo course on Finnish.
>>16537446>Fatih Ozmen>Eren OzmenTürked.
>>16537446crushed dreams
FAA public in person meetings tomorrow regarding SpaceX environmental impact. Virtual meeting will be on the 13th.Get your shitposts ready.
>>16537489>>16537490https://x.com/PettitFrontier/status/1876350904791974318>Google tells me May 2025. So more likely June/July 2025. Not altogether that far off either way. Think it will push deeper?https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1876353638035267885>Probably, yeah. Maybe 50-50 they launch this year. We'll see!You can just smell the company getting broken down and sold off for equity
>>16537068>The whole country operates like it was under occupation after a lost war.they are. they lost the cold war hard. and germany is right back to what it always does, destroying europe. it's like pottery.
>>16537115ands they say no. now what?
>>16537503Gaslight them harder.
>another dead threadwhat would bring /sfg/ to life besides high profile launches like starship?
>>16537512low profile launches like vega
>>16537514doesnt that count as high profile? since its such a out of the norm event.
What's the rarest rocket launch?
Looks like one of the oldest internet forums just shut down. Can we get an F in the chat for this forum that's been running for 20 years? http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/
>>16537520>forum closes in favour of d*scordmany such sad cases
How many times has Insprucker fucked?
another happy landinggood job foreign workers, and thank you
>>16537519Starship
>>16537486its finnish nigga
>>16537531passionately disagree
>>1653752369
>>16537516really just anything but starlink and long march. which unfortunately together take up about 75% of launches.
>>16537535Starship V2
>>16537535StRship v2
>>16537535Starship v2
>>16537537https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1876168991330439314
>>16537213all me and my proxies
>>16537546Elon is very controversial these days
>>16537055I really hope 5 eyes do join together and of course under budget. That would be a power house country if the white liberal women don't ruin it.
>>16537058But is he wrong?
>>16537546based
>>16537535Saarship v2
>>16537550it wouldn’t work for the exact reason you listed
holy shit, this musk guy is something else
>>16537164>They are trying to make the NWO one world government actually real, except it's just America eating everything.I have been saying for 6+ years that the glowies are eroding all power structures in the world which aren't irrelevant or subservient to America in preparation for WWIII, in which China will be squashed and then balkanized for postwar convenience. This opens the way for the USA not only running the planet, but being the sole arbiter and gatekeeper of who gets to colonize the solar system.The American Empire won't be able to HOLD those colonies for long, but it'll be extremely effective at establishing them.
>>16537569>The American Empire won't be able to HOLD those colonies for longlmao, there are morons who believe that colonies will just magically decide to cut off their main economic and population suppliers>inb4 but le amelican levolution!!!!!/sfg/ is truly retarded
>>16537519Ares 1
Just imagine the sigh of relief at SpaceX when Musk finally gets Luigi'd.
>>16537569bro they couldn't even deal with goatherders im pretty sure there isn't a decades/centuries long master plan/conspiracy
>>16537575Elon Musk has one (1) shitty take and /sfg/ wants him “dealt with” like a goombah [math]\unicode{x1F62D}[/math]
>>16537151are you an Islamic terrorist ? lol
>>16537575>when Musk finally gets Luigi'd.half of /sfg/ would kill themselves, the other half would take matters into their own hands
>>16537575>gets Luigi'd.Nice leftist phraseology
>>16537164As an American, I don't want the world order or the whole world. There are a lot of cultures and to each their own but I don't want them part of America. That being said, 5 eyes would make sense. Throw in Japan for the anime too.
when will they rename Starship to Saarship?>>16537585>half of /sfg/ would kill themselvesyou mean the muskbots? yeah, I guess they would be "killed", aka shutdown
>>16537586Left and right don't exist anymore, pal.
>>16537588anon, If Musk dies now, there's no certainty as to what will happen to SpaceX and the Mars dream. We all love Shotwell here too, but she's about to retire, and she doesn't have that craziness that Musk has when taking decisions. Would she have fired the early Starlink team that ended up at BO? Would she have switched to stainless steel after having spent so much on carbon fibre? I really do hope that Musk has some good candidates as his successor if something were to happen to him. The future of our species literally depends on that.
>>16537578The goatherders keep the MIC spry
>>16537591Maybe but imagine how funny it would be if he got unalived Haha
>>16537591Who cares lolThere's nothing in space
love seeing the cope from space talking heads about why noone did Methane before SpaceX
reminder that zhoque-2 was the first methalox rocket to reach orbit.
https://x.com/AJ_FI/status/1876374602991259967>China's first launch of the year, and its servicing satellite heading for GEO! A Long March 3B lifted off from Xichang at 2200 UTC sending the Shijian-25 satellite refuelling spacecraft into geosynchronous transfer orbit. No images of satellite nor indication of target for mission extension
>>16537602US loved hydrogenSoviets loved keroseneChinese engines derived from SovietsUS purchased Soviet enginesTruth is, no one bothered developing them till quite recently
>>16537606>gas generatordoesn't even count
Guys should I get a job in ballistic missile defense, one of the newspace firms or a satellite manufacturer like Maxar?
>>16537613none of the above
>>16537607Shijian 25 is built by SAST, should be related to this GSO refueling and service extension satellite announced 4 years ago by SAST around the time of the launch of Shijian 21.If so, should be 2.5t heavy with 1.3t of propellant.https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202110/02/WS61582a11a310cdd39bc6ce8e.htmlIt is announced that there will be >10 CZ3B launches in 2025
>>16537610why is tori replying to an indian
>>16537610America loved kerolox, hydrolox and SRB.The Soviets (and thus China) loved hydrazine and kerolox.
I love rocketgirls!
>>16537618*future high-skilled worker
>>16537591Had that discussion on another board over the past few days where we asked "if you had a choice of Musk disappearing but his companies remaining, or his companies disappearing but Musk remaining" we all agreed it would be better for Musk to be the one to remain. He could rebuild his companies but his companies wouldn't be able to survive without him. Without Musk, all of this ends.
>>16537625based on your studies sirs
>>16537617>It is announced that there will be >10 CZ3B launches in 2025The 3B/E had 11 launches in 2018, 2019, and 2021, so this would be at least it's 4th best year overall. It's weird watching China's older hypergolic rockets stubbornly refuse to be replaced when they were supposed to get phased out years ago
>>16537620
>>16537632I love michael collins so much its unreal
Great day for rocket development and space in general today.
will open AI replace mexican welders
when will musk move spacex to india? or maybe repel itar to import indian rocket engineers?
>>16537642he's already doing that bro. What do you think the UK drama is all about?
Only 4 days! I'm so excited! The future of spaceflight is so bright!
>>16537635two weeks
>>16537651oh it will be the brightest BO fuck up yet, that's for sure.
Imagine all the cool footage that aliens have (astronomical events, planetary collision, all kind of super novas, etc.) that they don't share because they're greedy bastards>>16537635>listening to whatever this professional bullshiter says
Mir, my beloved.
>>16537658>crashes a progress spacecraft into you're station>nothing personnel kid
>>16537642There is a theory floating that he is helping China because he fears this admin is going to crack down on China hard.
>>16537659Mirly a flesh wound.
>>16537662first time I’ve ever seen someone attempt to spell it like that if I do say so myself
>>16537663spell what?
>>16537666“Merely”
>>16537667It's a sort of topical pun you see.
>>16537667dumbass
>>16537662kek
>>16537668Damn, I see now
>>16537632why the white and black stripes?
>>16537673make it easier to tell if the rocket is rolling and how fast iirc
>>16537591>We all love Shotwell here too, but she's about to retire,Since when? This is the first time I've heard anything about her retiring soon. Seems like that would be much bigger news.
>>16537673Style.
>>16537673dazzle camouflage
>>16537673it enables metrology
>>16537312>what if we made the washer and dryer super difficult to serviceamazing though I bet you aren't even allowed to open them up just like how john deere tractors work. funnily enough this is a huge fire hazard since you don't have any clear idea of if the dryer exhaust duct is functioning properly. maybe that is part of an app they require you to use
Are the journalists afraid? https://theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/05/why-elon-musks-starship-rocket-is-beating-nasa-in-the-space-race
>>16537690Is it part of their style guide to do lowercase acronyms or something?Nasa? It’s NASA
cryovolcano
>>16537692Yeah the Grauniad always does that
>>16537673Camera tracking. Didn't have computers to tell how accurately much roll, pitch or yaw back then.But some boxes like that makes it easy to analyze.
>>16537534with what?
I can confirm Sierra is a bit of a mess
>>16537635>spaceflight
>>16537701Sad. Are they having problems with SNC as a whole, or just sierra space specifically
>>16537692i read that its a british thing
>>16537710management, and company operation philosophy. a tale old as time
>>16537418>20 years of R&D>1 launchIs the term "shuttle derived hardware" a death knell for rockets?
>>16537690This stupid shit NASA vs private industry makes no sense, but i guess normies want to think it that way
>>16537725And it comes from NASA people who think space is their fiefdom.
>>16537730Private space industry in the US exist because NASA gave them money retard
Indians are geniuses
>>16537732NASA exists because corporations engineered their hardware
>>16537732Anon you should think about what you said and how silly it makes you look.
>>16537692It's a britishism, they do it whenever the acronym is pronounced instead of spelled out.
Glover is pinning scripture on twitter and you’re blackpilling?
>>16537751what's twitter?
>>16537673Looks more rockety
>>16537410she gets fucked by chad every night
>>16537418astronauts are overpaid meatheads, they dont know shit
>>16537659shit happens
>>16537472Yes, and /sfg/ is correct (again)
>>16537546he's legit going senile. very smart people like him lose their minds early and quickly as they age. he'll be unrecognizable in 5 years
>>16537690>The Guardianahemhttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875615573008380108
https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1876447110863712751Launch alert
>>16537775>NET Jan 10thAs it is written
>>16537775>1am on the 10ththat's plenty of time to catch a flight from orlando to brownsville for starship later in the afternoon
>>16537776
>>16537779Unless it's a 10am launch
>they think New Glenn is actually going to launch
I hope it fucking explodescheers
>>16537781if it goes ahead on the 10th, it'll be 4pm. The backup days have been listed as 7am though
>>16537776why didnt they paint the fins black? very unprofessional
>>16537783same, my hate for bezos is greater than my love for space
>>16537783>>16537788gay and woman pilled
>>16537776goes hard unfortunately
>>16537789I hate blue origin so much it’s unreal they are textbook dumbass company and they’re in competition with real idiots like branson’s virgin and astra
>>16537794No they're fine and spacex needs competition. I'm also looking forward to Neutron
>>16537776sex
>>16537794dumbass company who have a SHLV on pad
> Blue Ring Pathfinder integrated. Jacklyn well underway. Launch license received. Here we go!https://x.com/davill/status/1876447685752107331?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ
>>16537812>muskrats sweating bullets
>>165378182 weeks
Wait so wtf is a cosmic ray?
>>16537829Proton or heavy ion mainly
>>16537830I thought it was literally EM radiation but now I’m learning it’s, apparently, matter.
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1876414695835582513>On January 6, the DPRK launched its newest hypersonic missile, achieving 12 times the speed of sound and reaching an altitude of 99.8 km. It accurately struck a target 1,500 km away in open waters. Kim Jong-un personally observed the test, as reported by KCNA, which also released photos of the event.
>>16537830heavier stuff than alpha and beta radiation, basically "all the other stuff" that isn't just alpha, beta, or EM radiation.>>16537831you learn something every day anon
>>16537834>>16537833>Future North Korean queen is the next Elon Muskgod, just imagine
>>16537635The only real output of this is a robot phone that still doesn't work. Sam "Jew*" Altman is an unbelievable scam artist. Didn't he recently ask for like seven trillion dollars?*actually his original middle name. I didn't believe it either look it up
>>16537832>99.8 kmoff by 200 metres kenobi
>>16537833Ok that's a cool shot
>>16537868are we sure this isn't a ksp screenshot?
https://x.com/Blobifie/status/1876475431240823256>S33's Payload bay door is open!
>>16537260Smart money. The services is there but the incombents in the US are sitting on their asses due to left leaning gov hating Musk, with EU has a commie streak that hates American and hates capitalists.
https://x.com/Truthful_ast/status/1876477761004646542>Toyota has announced an investment of $44 million into Interstellar Technologies, a Japanese private space rocket company. The company's Chairperson Akio Toyoda stated "We are exploring rockets too, because the future of mobility shouldn't be limited to Earth or just one car company." Toyota is also exploring satellite constellations for their futuristic high sustainability city named 'Woven City' which has finished Phase 1 of development.
ULA sniper has got a busy couple of days.
>>16537739Tell me why im wrong
>>16537927NASA doesn't make rockets, is not the only government entity that procures services from commercial providers and the fact that they procure services from commercial providers does not make space NASA fiefdomI realize you didn't put much thought into the subject so I won't hold it against you
>>16537127>>16537147you could probably reuse the airbrake controls somehow
>>16537836instead of "heavier" I think it's actually "is higher energy"
>>16537883quit advertising, faggot
new glenn launch mission control center
spacex raptor 3 ffsc methalox engine
>>16537963I can't believe Gwynne Shotwell designed that all by herself.
>>16537964i dont think she did thar
>>16537908Hilux will be the Martian's automobile of choice
>>16537939What the hell are you talking aboutFucking schizo
>>16537963I do not understand the preburner meme. You're saying to burn the fuel, and then burn it again?
>>16537973yeah
>>16537974thanks
>>16537973You burn just a little bit to heat up the leftovers
>>16537975you only burn it a little bit in the preburners to keep the temperatures low enough to extract energy out of the result with turbines (to power your turbopumps) you then combine the two preburner exhausts in the main combustion chamber and burn it all the way
>>16537658
>>16537977>>16537976But how do you 'partially' burn something. It is either combusted or it isnt
>>16537980lol, lmao, that's not true at allgo take a chemistry class
>>16537980You only provide enough oxygen for a portion of the fuel to combustThe result will be heat, combustion products (water, carbon dioxide + trace others) and mostly unburnt fuel all mixed up
>>16537988do you really want to try to give a stoichiometry lesson to this faggot
>>16537992I just did
>>16537994anyway it mostly turns into carbon monoxide, not carbon dioxidebetter for exhaust velocity
>>16537041i just woke up!! i am so excited to watch the first new glenn launch today!
https://x.com/AshleyKillip/status/1876504828781937085>Ship 33 with what looks like a bolt on test area for the new catch pins. This will be for the upcoming flight on NET 10th a group of ramped tiles much like the starlink versions but much thicker. To keep plasma from eating the area the where the pin meets the stainless body
>>16538018
https://x.com/13ericralph31/status/1876511560409219550>There are also some interesting modifications lower down I'd guess they're equivalent to the sloped stringers on boosters, so they'll allow the tower arms to slide over the stringers and hardpoints that protrude from Ship 33's hull.
>>16538022
>>16537908What is Japan allowed to do with rockets? I thought the WWII treaty and/or their post-WWII constitution prohibited them from combining rockets with guidance systems, which is why they came up with things like angle launched rockets. Is that no longer the case?
>>16537768He's finally realizing his H1B meltdown was a huge negative for him and no amount of doubling down would change that nor would any amount of censoring people disagreeing with him. He's trying to change the subject to something most everyone can agree on, which is that raping children is a bad thing. Wish he'd go back to commenting just on the output of SpaceX, Tesla, and his other companies instead of trying to dictate government policies at home and around the world. Yes, those can impact the ability to generate desired output of his companies but none of that matters if he makes himself universally hated.
>>16537903We say it every time, but seriously-ITLOOKSSOCLEAAAAAAAAAAAN
>>16538034it lacks USA and a flag on the side so it's still improper
>>16537546>f u retardkekhttps://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-cusses-student-called-171002695.html
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/
>>16538031the next month is going to be quite interesting in muskworld. Maybe he'll shut up.
>>16538039what exactly is the purpose of blue ringI see zero profit in it
>>16538029yeah, they've been launching Delta 2 derived vehicles for a while now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGgloading of the starlink mass simulators is ongoing
weird reddit thing I found today. spacex doesn't have the $ for a door? strange
>>16538039europoorbros, are we waking up early to see another New Hlen delay?
>>16538039could you imagine the absolute meltdown that this general will have if blue origin nails the landing while super heavy explodes yet again? lmao
>>16538044kick stage and space tug and I guess a platform for instruments as wellthough not sure about the space tug thing at this stage as that would imply it coming back
>>16538051
>>16538055I'm going to try but my sleep schedule is fucked nowa few days to fix that though
>>16538053you will use the curtain and enjoy it
>>16538055>new glenn launching at 8am>starship at midnighteast europe bros just can't stop winning
>>16538053elon found the poop curtainit's over
>>16538053spacex sounds like one of those companies that use angled toilets to prevent you from sitting on the shitter too long
>>16538058I mean, I'm not going to meltdownI'm sure some trolls are going to spam the fuck out of the thread though
>>16538070well, I will. And I'll be sure to spam the thread with my seethe
>>16538070Same I love it’s over posting, no way to sugar coat this, etc
>>16538076you are the trolls who will be spamming the threadjust know that I despise you, and might simply leave the thread for a while due to how annoying you areplease take your seethe elsewhere
>>16538079here, have a freebie
berger's american launch company power rankings>1. SpaceX >2. United Launch Alliance>3. Rocket Lab>4. Blue Origin>5. Firefly >6. Northrop Grumman>7. Stoke Space>8. Relativity Space>9. Astra >10. USC Rocket Propulsion Labhttps://arstechnica.com/space/2025/01/annual-power-ranking-of-us-launch-companies-finds-a-shake-up-at-the-bottom/
>>16538085Without bothering to read the link, that list looks about right.
ellon musk needs to be investigated for rigging crypto securities for profit
>>16538081kek thanks
>>16538085rocket lab is a fake company
>>16538091>he didn't boughted
>>16538085>Student group reaches spaceHonestly, how hard can this be? Can I a man literally build a similar rocket to reach space on my own? With a machine shop you could knock something together. Avionics is just a SBC nowadays with pick and choose modules. Dunno if solids are enough to reach space. Liquid rocketry will be the most difficult. As well as sourcing propellant.
>>16538053Budget silos. I've run into it at companies that were overflowing with cash and weren't even stingy about spending but if I needed something like a larger hard drive, if my department already used up all of its hardware budget for the year, there wasn't anything they could do as reallocating money between budget categories required a bunch of senior level approvals that management didn't want to deal with. Things like that just had to wait until the next fiscal year started.
>>16537903why bother with a door, cant it be open all the time?
>5 launches on jan 10aint no way this happens
does BO have a second rocket ready to goas well as a second bargeif something happens?or is it just another year+ delay
>>16538104According to berger they have 2 nearly finished NG's ready.
>>16538093Your biggest hurdle is going to be funding the project.Kip Daugirdas spent about 10 grand a year for the better part of a decade to test and prepare for his 250k foot shot. USCRPL and CSXT had huge pools of funding.
So, people are already talking about raptor 4, musk has said it'll have 5 more seconds of isp and over 200 twr.Heres a chart showing the previous versions and what we can tell about raptor 4.
>>16537913Fucking kek
>>16538124just going to keep making the rocket taller lol
>>16537957>modern tech design I thought Bezos said they had already figured everything out in the 70s. Where's my burnt orange and wood?
>>16537963Still using helium
>>16538135sad!
>>16538124he can't keep getting away with it
>>16538113>cool>sweet>fantasyWhat rocket, /sfg/?
>>16538141obvious answer
>>16538141The full development of Orion Nuclear Pulse Propulsion
>>16537973You burn part of the fuel to power the turbines that pull fuel into the engine and burn the rest in the chamber
>>16537973is this how little rockets get made?
>>16537997Does it stay CO after the fuel rich mixture hits the oxygen rich mixture?
>>16538085>never launch anything into space>number 4 top launch provider
>>16538153the list gets pretty grim after the top 3. the launch industry is in dire straights outside of spacex.
>>16538153anon half of the companies on that list are completely and utterly irrelevant to spaceflight. BO is the only one even thinking of competing with spaceX
>>16538094lol, lmaoI'm not even a manager and I'm authorized to spend anything less than a few thousand dollars without even asking or notifying anyone. How the fuck are you supposed to do your job?
>>16538159>>16538157It should at least be separated into Launch Providers (Actual) and Launch Providers (Aspirational)
Project Iceworm launch sites across Greenland now
spacex did 150 launchesULA did 5and rocket lab is a microsat launcherthe rest dont even launchhmmSpaceX also fully self-funds through their own constellation
>>16538100Not even the record
>>16538085>Please note that this is a subjective list, although hard metrics such as total launches, tonnage to orbit, success rate, and more were all important factors in our decisions. And our focus remains on what each company accomplished in 2024, not on what they might do in the future.Why is Blue Origin on that list?
>>16538172whats the record for most launches in a day?
>>16538085Fourth place is a tie between BO and me personally. We have sent the same amount of payload to orbit. In reality, though, I deserve to be ranked higher as I have done so much more efficiently.
>>165381745
>>16538173Best PowerPoint presentation
>>16538174like 6 or 7
>>16538179what launches? what date?
>>16538178Apparently so. It looks like just having engines that fire is worth quite a bit given the guys they're having to choose to pad out the bottom of the list to actually have a top ten. This would be a lot easier if it was an international list, instead of a purely US list.
>>16538175lol
>>16538173BO identifies as a launch provider. Its pronouns are orbital / not already obsolete
>>16538173yeah arguably BO should have been after Rocketlab, maybe after some others too2025 they could be 3 or even 2 if they start spamming New Glenns
>>16537083>Neither Tesla nor SpaceX really need him anymore.I'd somewhat agree with tesla.But I'm like 90% certain if they got rid of elon at spacex, you can scrap all plans of ever going to mars.Its just not profitable in any way that matters here for shareholders on earth.If elon died today, I'm almost certain spaceX would probably ditch human spaceflight alltogether and become a sattelite-internet provider and nothing more within like 5 years.
>>16538188Tesla needs him too. People don't want to invest in a car company, they want to invest in Elon
>>16538188Optimus might very well be scrapped or go forward much slower and subsequently lose to the gorillion robot startups out thereso he is extremely important for Tesla as well, for similar reasons as to with SpaceXhe keeps pushing forward towards goals that don't seem to give immediate monetary rewards, hard
>>16538188I'm not so sure. A big reason they're able to hire who they hire and push them as hard as they do is the dream of Mars.
>>16538190Tesla's moved up a few places on the Revenue list, and are sitting at about the level of Hyundai for 2024 at ~$72 billion.
>>16538198Correction: this only goes up to the first three quarters of 2024, but Q4 wasn't Tesla's best, falling short of deliveries year on year for the first time.
What happens when Trump restarts the Strategic Defense Initiative?
>>16538207it never died
>>16538207some more billions to be embezzled
>>16538190sounds like I should short tesla.
>>16538213>he's betting against muskuh oh
>>16537968you got it the wrong way roundreddit sois love spaceX (but hate Elon) and think STS was "too dangerous" or some shit.
>Starship flight 7 has delayed until the 11th of January 1pm UTCOVERhttps://x.com/lewisknaggs42/status/1876658642612613275
>>16538228NOOOOOOOO
>>16538228elon fucked aroundnow he's finding out
>>16538228That’s ok, new glenn is going to be delayed until the 11th too.
>>16537041New Glenn flight when?I want my favorite rich guy to win the race against the other rich guy today!
>>16538235use google, retard
>>16538235I just want the number of heavy lift rockets to go up, on account of me liking rockets.
>>16538228its over
>>16538228Elonbros????!!!111
>>16538228They can't do this to me!!!!
>>16538207We get low orbit ion cannons and female military advisors with lots of cleavage.
>>165382282 weeks
>>16538219You're not betting against him by shorting Tesla. You're betting against Musk believers and their faith is strong.
>>16537963>no oxigenfake
>>16538269you are doing both if you try to short TeslaTesla is a bit over 1 trillion now in market cap, Musk has said that the robotaxis should take it to around 5T and the Optimus to 25T
Is Starship viable with raptor 2 or is everything riding on raptor 3 working out?
>>16538272Starship was viable back on raptor 1. hold on a second while I type out another bait post from the opposite perspective.
>>16538272Starship won’t even be viable on raptor 4. thank you for waiting.
>>16538272Starship is viable with Raptor 2 but Raptor 3 is required for the desired payload to LEO with full reuse.
>>16538272https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNFdR-UpZS8Eager space (kinda) did a video about this.
>>16537963japanese spitter thinks it's a big deal
>>16538290To put it another way: you can't afford the engineering hours needed to build something like Raptor 3 unless you are going to make a ridiculous number of them, because design hours take time, which is an easier cost to absorb across a very long production run than a very short one.
so spacex is copying russian engines from the 60s? so advanced...
>>16538306(You)
>>16538198>>16538204total revenue (not just auto sales) was 97 bil in 2023 and will be about ~100bil in 2024so it would be up 7 places on that chart
>>16538306 (You)(You)
Haven't been keeping up to date with Starship dev for a while, QRD on progress of:>the dry mass>autogeneous pressurization>ice in the LOX tank>50% performance shortfall (about 40-50t to LEO)>10% isp shortfall on raptor>cascading failure at low fuel levels on raptor>heat tiles
>>16538321its over, Starship is cancelled
>>16538306(you)(you)(you)
Why the fuck did the time change? All the others are at night, including the original date on the 10th, but for the 11th it says 1300.
>>16538321>10% isp shortfall on raptorI'm pretty sure i know the source of this one. You're taking the isp of the sea level raptors (which is almost exactly 10% less than theoretical optimal) and thinking raptor is bad with realizing that vacuum raptors are pretty close to optimal.Sea level nozzles have a huge hit to performance.
https://www.youtube.com/live/Y6-hE6SadzsBriefing of MSR update. No idea if there will be anything worth listening in for.
>>16538331I haven’t been listening was there anything good?
>>16538331>>16538340>Skycrane & RTG for $7 billion>or commercial heavy lift + something for $6-7 billion>various simplified things (tube cleaning on Mars, redesigned pickup mechanism)>Jared has to get $300 million this year to make mid '30s possible>could go to cis-lunar and get it from there but NASA prefers direct return>decision in 2026
>>16538271>5TAbsurd. Uber is like $100B, the entire taxi market about double that. Where does $5T come from? The entire global car industry is only $4T!!! Absurd!!!
>>16538343>decision in 2026fucking hell no wonder they can’t get the samples back before 2040
Holy fuck every woman who comes on asks the most retarded questions, and none of them seem to have heard the "don't ask two questions" part either.
>>16538149the overall mix is still fuel rich
>>16538345disrupting transportation in general, not just some taxi rides
>>16538347I do like that he's basically giving Jared enough time to get up to speed and make the best decision, though. Presumably he could even accelerate it if the studies are far enough for that. It kind of feels like "this is what we came up with, you can go with either of these or find yet another way in a year".
>>16538354The entire global car industry is less than $5T! Where is he pulling that number from?
https://x.com/elonmusk/live
>>16538359Is he talking about Starship? Don't waste my time.
>>16538358self driving cars will be much more profitable than just selling "dumb" cars in generaleach robocar is basically 5x as valuable due to not being parked most of the time
>>16538362yeah he said its cancelled, doesn't work
>>16538362>>16538365It's not cancelled but he admitted that it won't be fully rapidly reusable because of the heat shield issue.
>>16538367everything is fully rapidly reusable if you're willing to take the risk
Apparently he said on stream that the launch was pushed back 3-4 days? Can anyone confirm? My only source is some Redditor.
>>16538384I started listening at like 25min, he has talked about Tesla and grok and neuralink a bit, but not SpaceX
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1876707408900206737?t=HQUS5Ywv2zeuIHTAwTWgeA&s=19>Starship Flight 7 pushed back "about three or four days".
It's over
that’s ok. new glenn is also getting pushed out a couple days so they’ll launch on the same day regardless.
So Starship Flight 7 at 13th or 14thNew Glenn on 11th
>Raptor 3 is doing well>Raptor 3 is in a league of its own, so far above any other rocket engine, it doesn't need a heatshield>it was one of the design goals I set >many experienced rocket engineers said it couldn't be done, looks too simple>its actually not simple, we hide the complexity in the internal structure>it requires a re-design of the booster and Starship to get rid of the heatshield on the base>we don't have a final date for flight 7, but some time next week
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1876701255940129230
>NG and Spaceship keep getting pushed so they aren't the one to blow up first
>>16538406sounds reasonable
>>16538406Why do we need starship? Why no architecture that fits on 1-2 falcon heavies?
>>16538272Starship will never be viable even with fairy dust
>>16538406They didn't specifically say starship, they said heavy lander and mentionned SpaceX's and Blue Origin' option, but said they weren't the only ones.
>>16538272They're very viable. They've done a lot less mass optimization than they could, because SpaceX desperately wants to build the hulls as cheap as they can. When they start making the skin thinner and make up the strength with more complex structural elements, then they're truly desperate for mass savings.
>>16538420over 100% for me
>>16538420I have 0% market gains because I invest nothing.
ELON BLOODY BASTERD I ALREADY REDEEMED MY PTO
>>16538425>expecting rockets to launch on time>especially in-development or new ones
>>16538427Yes
>>16538433Can't they just annex South Africa insteadSurely South Africa is a decent place to launch rockets from too. Or to uncontrollably crashland them there.
>>16538437Canada awards Citizenship to the descendants of Canadian citizens one generation removed. Mae Musk was born in Canada and has Canadian citizenship by birth, and Elon inherited it in turn.
>>16538433Notice how every time he does it is directed at Trudeau and tariffs?
>>16538433>>16538441>canadian understanding of american civicsElon was born in South Africa, he cannot run for POTUS.
>>16538445there are americans that haven't been born in america that have run for presidents
>>16538108What like regulatory fees? Or raw materials? Rockets have a high idiot index. Surely you can cobble it together in the afternoons in your garage
>>16538407>SpaceshipOkay, retard.Starship is already first to explode because it's the only serious rocket program.
>>16538445There are two ways to award citizenship: by soil, or by blood. The US currently recognizes both.
>>16538448Name 5
>>16538467Elon Musk
>>16538467
>>16538449raw materials.ground support equipment.telemetry electronics.ground support equipment for telemetry.the cost of either running a subscale test campaign of launches or having multiple full scale failures (or more likely both).the cost of travel blackrock desert, to the only place in america where amateurs can actually get a permit to launch stuff to space, with all of your large hazmat items.could you do it for less? maybe. probably. but many have tried and very few have pulled it off.
>>16538363But if you can use them more than you need less cars! This doesn't track!
>>16538406The whole concept is pointless. Unless is a Chang'e clone but for Mars, what could we possibly learn from MSR? This concept is beat as manned LEO.Its time to move ON!
>>16538483
starship and new glenn delays are expected but its unnerving that we're 8 days into 2025 and have only had two launches
>>16538492Seven, but we are on a bit of a low pace so far this year. At the current rate, we'd only see 104 launches this year.
>>16538492All the lazy Americans need to recover from all that time off they take for their Christian holidays
>>16538493no one launches in winter because the rockets get chilly, prease understando :(
>>16538190>they want to invest in ElonHow long will that last if he keeps spilling spaghetti all over twitter?
>>16538413Is the goal just repeating another Apollo program where when the annual budget ends you have absolutely nothing to show for it?Or optimizing the reusable rocket where launch costs are only 2x or 3x the fuel cost?
>>16538501the goal is getting a dozen cock sized metal tubes back from mars. maybe it shouldn’t be, but given that that’s what it is can we do it for less money faster on more proven systems
>>16538501The real answer is that by the time NASA reacted to the existence of the falcon family, starship was already hopping. SpaceX develops rockets slightly above the rate at which NASA can make decisions
>>16538508>can we do it for less moneylol>fasterLOLAre you new here?
>>16538448The point is that he isn't a "natural-born citizen" which, besides the minimum age is the only qualification to being president.>>16538467The first few Presidents were born before the United States existed.
>>16538513>The point is that he isn't a "natural-born citizen" which, besides the minimum age is the only qualification to being president.If the nationality was absorbed into the United States, one would imagine this would be sufficient to qualify. The precise definition of these terms isn't well established by existing precedent, since we've never actually annexed a sovereign nation in such a manner before. Previous cases, such as the Louisiana Purchase, did not involve any transference of citizenship, but Elon Musk is already a citizen.
>>16538511huh? I feel like we’re having two different conversations here. this is all about nasa restructuring msr. to that end they can use proven already operational launch vehicles with well understood specs instead of hypothetically better vehicles that will still be in development for who knows how long and are subject to design changes.
>>16538519if NASA can't design a simple launch vehicle which is the basic building block of any space programhow can they design anything in a sane manner?Better just to simply end NASA altogether
Dissolve NASA and expand JPL.They can design spacecraft and plan outer space missions from now on, since they are clearly inept when it comes to rockets.
>>16538085Why isn't BPS.space on this list? Wtf Berger.
>>16537963This diagram contains a subtle but lethal error, deliberately included to troll the chinese. See if you can find it.
>>16538522they might be incompetent compared to some public companies (many go bankrupt), but who would design the scientific probes then?NASA should buy as much as they can commercially and focus on science missions, especially on cutting edge stuff that is still speculative and put money theredo RnD on stuff that is too far from being commercially viable
>>16538540I see it but I can’t point it out due to ITAR
>>16538540i'll fix it later
>>16538533Who?
>>16538555Joe Barnard of course.
>>16538533What was his total mass to orbit in 2024?
>>16538566Equal to Blue Origin's.
>>16538413>>16538406If you read between the lines, basically a Starship contract means they can ship a lab by Starship directly to the surface of Mars along with two colonists who can spend a week down on it and conduct science directly via sample collection done through next-generation Martian drones based off Ingenuity's telemetry fed into new designs. That way, there isn't a 10-15 year gap between mission and sample return and sample analysis. Instead, a ship with crew is launched, travels to Mars in a 6mo window, and by the end of that very year, you'll have samples collected, analyzed, discoveries made and data transmitted, and then said samples are returned alongside crew back to Earth.
>>16538590No that's terrible. You need to design your programs so that an entire generation of NASA employees can make a single mission into their entire career. If a program ends before 40 years it's a failure.
>>16538455Citizenship alone is not enough to qualify to run for POTUS my non American friend.
>>16538591You're hired!
>>16538593This is only in respect to the Natural Born Citizenship question. The Organics Act that would have to follow to determine the process of granting Citizenship to Canadian citizens would have to determine the ultimate status of Canadian residents, and that process, which is determined by Congress, is entirely open ended. If Congress so desired, they could in fact make such determinations while crafting the legislation that would grant US citizenship. They could also wait a couple of decades to actually do it, or otherwise grant residency without ever granting citizenship. Other than the "natural born" status, you have to be of a minimum age.
>>16538591NASA's in for a rude awakening this admin.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/01/nearly-two-years-after-its-radical-pivot-fidelity-slashes-relativitys-valuation/>In its March 2024 quarterly report for Contrafund, Fidelity noted its holdings from the Series D, E, and F fundraising rounds held by Relativity. For example, Contrafund held 1.67 million shares from the Series D round, worth an estimated $31.8 million. Thus, Fidelity valued the privately held shares at $19 apiece. By the third quarter report last year, Fidelity's valuation of those shares had fallen a little to $16.>However, in a report ending November 29 of last year, which was only recently published, Fidelity's valuation of Relativity plummeted. Its stake in Relativity, valued at $31.8 million last March, was now thought to be worth just $866,735—a per-share value of 52 cents. Shares in the other fundraising rounds are also valued at less than $1 each.>In other words, what was once valued as a $4.5 billion company might now be worth something around $100 million, at least according to one of its institutional investors. Moreover, the Fidelity documents indicate that the value of some "common stock" held by employees—worth about $15 a share a year ago—may be worth close to zero.We're going to lose another one
>>16538607The consolidation/collapse of small launch was inevitable.
>>16538603I wish. After four years it will be business as usual again.
>>16538607should've pivoted to payloads
>>16538607Once starship is flying regularly, all the nominal competitors will go kaput. Only those being funded directly by governments or bezos will be able to survive.
>>16538591Seriously, do these people care more about prolonging their careers and securing the bag than being responsible for as many new discoveries in space science as they possibly can? You have to be not human to wholeheartedly prefer the former, in my opinion.
>>16538622Even if many of the individuals in the organization would like to move fast and get shit done, the organization itself doesn't reward that, doesn't allow people to work that way. The organization has a life of its own, it's own priorities and ways of thinking.
>>16538327afternoon launch requires closing the beach during the day which is restricted on a saturday. Launching at 7am means it can be reopened before noon
>>16538622https://www.youtube.com/live/Jd2oVbt_Z_U?si=NvvAv2ARPmJInKrTFormer NASA guy discusses the management he worked under. tldr NASA is a government program and thus selects for the lowest common denominator. The best leave for the private sector, the worst literally can't be fired. Our most sacred institution, the one that should strive towards our infinite future among the stars, has been nonmaliciously coopted by boomers punching the clock. Thank God for SpaceX
>>16538178
>>16538228good, now I won't have to race home from work on Friday afternoon to catch it
>>16538651IT'S A ROADMAP BUT AS A 'STAR MAP' DO YOU GUYS GET IT? HAHA BECAUSE IT'S SPACE, GET IT?
>>16538621What's starships payload to GEO?
>>16538659A cubic kilometer of kilograms.
>>16538597>This is only in respect to the Natural Born Citizenship question.Correct, and Elon is not a natural born citizen to Canada.
>>16538471>not mentioning that they were born to citizen parentsfuck off
>>16538659With or without refueling?With or without a third stage like Helios?
>>16538471this list forgets Obama.
>>16538666Musks mother is a canadian citizen
>>16538665>Correct, and Elon is not a natural born citizen to Canada.He literally is because he was born to an emigrant citizen parent.
>>16538673And what was the question? Being Canadian doesn't fucking matter if the question was "can he run for US president".
>>16538673Elons mother becoming a naturalized Canadian citizen after he was born is not comperable to the people in that list.
>>16538614That's a big IF, on the basis of Trump giving up power. He's going full hegemon.
>>16538680I wish I could believe the things libtards say about Trump.
You're a kook.
>>16538683The guy talks a lot of shit and then does nothing but golf, takes credit for anything that goes well and blame other people for anything that doesn't go well. That's Trump's track record. He's an old man now, don't expect new tricks.
>>16538683Then why did he give up power four years ago?
>>16538683Oh no he has terminal TDS.
>>16538670>ai forgets inconvenient factHow long have we been at war with Eastasia again?
>>16538678>And what was the question? Being Canadian doesn't fucking matter if the question was "can he run for US president".The question was whether or not an American annexation of Canada opens up a path for Elon Musk to be categorized as a natural born citizen of the United States. The actual answer to that question is, it's up to Congress, via an Organic Act, which has traditionally followed acceptance of a territory to the United States.
>>16538690Stop being a retard. Canada will not be annexed. For one thing, nobody's been talking about how the UK gets a say in it. It's trademark Trump bluster. And besides, there's all those filthy Quebecois to deal with.Greenland, on the other hand, that's a lot more likely. Not a sure thing, but a lot more likely.
>>16538693>Entertaining a question>StOp BeInG a ReTaRdGet the stick out of your ass and have some will to entertain a hypothetical.
>>16538692>words words wordstrump won't do shit
>>16538701That's fucking pathetic. Now you can say I have TDS you dumb bag of bricks.
>>16538702>That's fucking pathetic.Yes. Trump is pathetic and he won't do shit.
>>16538695Ah, so you're one of the reddit types who loves to say something stupid followed by the word "Discuss." ?
>>16538705Ah, you're one of those guys who gets Big Mad when people want to talk about something you don't like.
>>16538693If Canada were annexed by America, which it obviously won't be, the next logical move would be to either grant independence to Quebec, or sell it to France.
ANNEX MARS, THE WHOLE FUCKING PLANET
>>16538707>or sell it to France.That would result in a quick NON! French don't like the Maple French.
>>16538714The French don't even like the French, they'd buy it for the right price.
/sfg/ - Shit Flinging General
>>16538659Depends if it has a kick-stage or if the payload has a few km/s of Delta-V built in. At 70 tons, both are an option.
>>16538692>neutral observation
>>16538718It is as Heinlein said. Once you're in LEO, you're halfway to anywhere.
Is the Isaacman talk with the Space Force worth listening to? I'm getting bored of listening to him ramble about muh charity raising activities.
>>16538651BO seems way ahead of SpaceX on this>>16538657I do understand
>>16538720With a single ship's worth of refueling, Starship should be able to do 20 tons to GTO, following an initial 23.993 degree insertion with a circular 200km orbit.
What would be the most cost effective way of softening lunar regolith?
>>16538745how much regolith? >a few tonsbring a rock tumbler up from earth>the whole surfacegonna need to hose the moon down and wait a few thousand years.
>>16538745Take advantage of its opacity to the microwave bands and heat the particles until they sinter. Mechanically weather the resulting glass as you please.
>>16538714I don't know where this dumb meme comes from but it's the other way around. Quebeckers don't like French people, but the French like them. There are a lot of white french immigrants and tourists in Montreal
almost there bros
>>16538771for me, it's the double double
>>16538771After Starship becomes fully and rapidly reusable, In-N-Out Burgers will be put on orbit and Mars.
>>16538780>>16538777long firing?
>>16538777blessed extended fairing>>16538793Yes
Face it, Blue Origin is more wholesome than SpaceX at this point
>>16538777This is like some mythological creature that has been talked about for a decade, has only been seen maybe three times, and will probably only be used once kek
qrd on the company Blue Origin?
>>16538812Blue Urine, aka Blue Pee, is Jeff Bezos' way of taking his pee obsession to space. They've got rockets that look like giant, gold-plated pee containers. Their big plan? Turn space into the world's most expensive urinal. Safety? Just don't pee on the controls, they say. It's all about making pee the star of space travel.
>>16538667>>16538718This was my point. Starship won't be competitive with refueling. There's always going to be a market for conventional rockets that just go to where you need them to be all at once
>>16538812Slow as shit development of their reusable rocket. Bezzy hired someone new to lead it and told him to hurry the fuck up because they're scared that there won't be anything left for them after Starship and maybe Neutron
>>16538815>Bezzy hired someone new to lead it and told him to hurry the fuck up because they're scared that there won't be anything left for them after Starship and maybe NeutronClassic Bozos hiring shit engineers and exploiting the fuck out of them until they burn out.
>>16538814Never heard of a kick stage?
https://youtu.be/IEXYuJAH6kcEager
ITS OGURhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRGWM5UWqgk
https://x.com/ENNEPS/status/1876823152149372980>Compilation timelapse of Ship 33's payload integration of the 10 Starlink Simulators, as well as two additional items (might be part of the Pez dispenser system) ahead of the rollout to the pad for finals preparations ahead of flight 7.
>>16538821ty EagerLove your work
>>16538833>two additional itemssecret dod payloads
>>16538833two more banan (max payload capability now met)
>>16538781If you don't like black coffee you don't like coffee.
>>16538834No problem champ. Stay cool and be sure to like and subscribe for more great space content. Ad astra, ad eager!
>dvach just got an orbital strike from the FSBits’ over how will I lurk and watch native russian spaceflight discussion now?
>>16538812Sued NASA because their bid on HLS was shit and skipped, which netted them an equal attention contract.
>>16538847damn that place was neat
>>16538814The only point you made is that you incorrectly think Starship has no payload to GTO without refueling.
>>16538856It actually doesn't have any payload to GTO without refueling. With the current prop mass fraction and expected upmass capacity, there isn't any delta-V left for a large apogee raising burn.
Who believes this nonsense? Peter beck says he can do sample return for billions less. errr how exactly? The have nothing but a shitty rocket
>>16538859t. no faith of the heart
>>16538861It's DEI woke nonsense
- The fetch rover is lighter and simpler and uses off the shelf arm- The ascent vehicle is lighter, simpler better- planetary protection is easier now- going to get all 30 samples now- 50% cheaper
>>16538866why didn't they do this from the beginning?
>>16538867I think they just got rid of the 5 collector helicopters
https://youtu.be/Hszu80NJ438not spaceflight but this is just plain cool.largest steam locomotive "big boy"
>>16538859Problem with a RL-led MSR is that it would still involve designing, building and using systems that are bespoke for this mission. NASA probably want off the shelf solution with minimal redesign required.
>>16538819There's no kick stage planned for it lol. Also a kick is going to take up a huge chunk of the payload mass and volume. Might actually be better off sticking to FH
>>16538889>There's no kick stage planned for it lol. Also a kick is going to take up a huge chunk of the payload mass and volume. When you are so confident despite being wrong.
>>16538891I'm right
Vandenberg is ok guys don't worry
What if Hawthorne gets destroyed in the LA fire?
>>16538900it's not even on that map either
>>16538902It's nowhere near that fire
Can the next thread be about space?
>>16538866turns out when your ass is in the jackpot you can actually do it without grifting and skipping deadlines.Lesson learned too late, though, JPL. This mission should now be all-commercial without JPL meddling to teach them a damn lesson.
https://x.com/RocketLab/status/1876878068918489409>We can wait another year, or we can get started now.>Our Mars Sample Return architecture will put Martian samples in the hands of scientists faster and more affordably. Less than $4 billion, with samples returned as early as 2031.>This is not our first encounter with the Red Planet. The orbiters, rovers, landers, and helicopters of Mars all bear Rocket Lab’s fingerprints. We can deliver MSR mission success too.>More: http://rocketlabusa.com/missions/mars-sample-return/beck is pissed
>>16538942You know I respect him being bullish like this
>>16538942Why would anyone be pissed that MSR is finally going through?
>>16538945think about it for more than 2 seconds
>>16538945>finally
>>16538859Neutron won't fly until after Starship expect RL to not exist in 2 years time
>>16538942>small sat company with delusions of grandeurEven 4 billions an extravagant figure for a tiny fking sample return + 2 million dollars worth of rover hardware
SLS has fucked up my perception of large amounts of money>People going hysterical because some train line is going to cost $2 billion>You can build like 15 of them with the money from SLS
>>16538972to be fair the LA-SF high speed rail is estimated at like 100 billion
>>16538972How come Americans have no problem with building super heavy rockets, but HSR is beyond their capabilities?
>>16538985rockets don't disrupt the car industry
>>16538985Theres too much relentless grift to build big things anymore
>>16537041i just woke up!! i am so excited to watch the first new glenn launch today!!
>>16538859they create payloads too, I think that architecture used F9 or FH?and then was just a cheaper and simpler version of the JPL rube goldberg machine
>>16538866>50% cheaperlmao, so still like 5 fucking bil? and that is before cost overrunsJPL and cost don't have a good track record
>>16538991
>>16538897the kickstage is starship itself with refueling
>>16538985its government regulation getting in the building anything
https://x.com/Space_Time3/status/1876920067704623482Starship NET 13th
>>16538993It's worse$6.6-7.7 billion (plus tip) for skycrane option$7.1 billion for heavy lander option (Starship)Originally, it was supposed to cost $3.6 billion, what a great deal.https://spacenews.com/nasa-to-study-two-alternative-architectures-for-mars-sample-return/
>>16539003spend all that money for a one off probe that provides nothing of practical value
>>16538985It's three competing actors interacting with the projects all working towards a common goal: extracting money. >Corporations that know the rail is backed by government gibs and a contract that will allow them just milk it decades while doing nothing. >States who would demand certain routes, competing support network frameworks, and regulation - this stalls and allows them to compete with one another over who gets a larger piece of the ever growing pie. >Individuals, property rights in America are extremely robust in pretty much every state. Especially if the property owners gang together to impede whatever plans may or may not actually effect them. Doubly so if these same people are backed by anonymous billionaires/corporations, or are largely wealthy individuals themselves. Even if something is seen as an immediate national security concern and needs to be done immediately, there are ways to hold up the process or at the very least extract additional pounds of flesh after the fact through civil cases. You're in a thread where, for years now, we've had a combination of all three doing their best to stymie SpaceX's expansion in different ways. The guy who was obstructing Starfactory got like a 15 million dollar payout for doing nothing at all. Other rocket corporations are trying to manipulate government entities (FCC-Starlink restrictions) and courts (Blorigin) to injure or impede SpaceX. States who think Elon Man Bad and are trying to do something, anything, to extract some sort of "revenge" because he makes them angry (California Environmental Commission).
>>16538972Train line costing $2B is cheap these days too. But thats for like half a mile or something train line. Vegas loop costs like $50 million. And they carry more passenger per day than trains do and with 0 wait time too.
>>16539014Somehow the French were able to make TGV profitable, with a cost of €20 million per km, it shouldn't be an issue in the land of the free.
https://x.com/RocketLab/status/1876878068918489409
>>16539007What you said reminds me of nuclear plants being blocked by "environmentalists".And it Canada some faggot who owned an old bridge and collected tolls from it was blocking construction of a new bridge, leading to massive delaysI wish there was a way of keeping those "people" in check.
>>16539020there is a very easy way, just tell them to fuck offeminent domain
>>165389851) public transport is gay, buy more cars= Automotive lobby is blocking it and Americans themselves would prefer not to use it2) if you don't want to drive long distance, you fly= Boeing lobby is blocking it3) building anything is destroying le nature= Lefties themselves are blocking it4) US has no domestic HSR technology, so it would have to be licensed from EU or Japan or spend even more money and time developing it
>>16539016>France has banned domestic short-haul flights where train alternatives exist, in a bid to cut carbon emissions.
>>16539020That's the Ambassador Bridge between Detroit and Windsor. Think he was able to delay the construction of a second bridge by over a decade but the Gordie Howe Bridge is schedule to be completed this year. Still, he got an extra decade or so of having limited competition. Quite lucrative for him. Early Life: Lebanese Christian. >The Ambassador Bridge is an international suspension bridge across the Detroit River that connects Detroit, Michigan, United States, with Windsor, Ontario, Canada. Opened in 1929, the toll bridge is the busiest international border crossing in North America in terms of trade volume, carrying more than 25% of all merchandise trade between the United States and Canada by value.
>>16538997>UTCWhat's that in Texas time? 4PM or 5PM?
>>16538519>to that end they can use proven already operational launch vehiclesSuch as?
>>16539016No idea how that cost is calculated. European model is government run systems and it has never been efficient because there's no incentives and there's no competition to the field.
YF-90 successfully tested by China. Roughly equivalent to RS-25/SSME. 453s vac ISP, 60-100% throttle range, multiple relight capability and autonomous fault diagnosis. To be used on stage 2 of future vehicle.
>>16539037Falcon Heavy, nigga. read
>>16538985I'm not american but I find it funny that none of the bot that replied mentioned NIMBYs, which is usually the reason americans mention first in american forums...
>>16538821
>>16539019>this is not our first encounter with the Red Planetwtf are they talking about?
>>16538889There are plenty of off the shelf kick stages. If you want high mass kick stage, Impulse Space is designing them. 100 tons to LEO means a fuckhuge kick stage
>>16538942This retard was supposed to be on Venus by now.
>>16539020We used to just kill people
>>16539101Rocket Lab has a clandestine Touching Other People's Hardware with Our Fingers When No One Is Watching division. Their most successful operatives are double agent janitors.
>>16539115You?
>>16539019Sorry lad, Elon needs that tax money for his starship
>>16539019>near bankrupt company begging, pleading for a 5 billion dollar contract despite having zero experience in any stage of the architecture
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1876980876648620211
>>16539125how is rocketlab near bankruptcy ?
>>16538833how will it carry anything but starlinks?
>>16539134europe should stop trying to put their eggs into one basket. do iris2, do oneweb, do starlink.
JPL evacuating due to fires
>>16539101Rocketlab was a subcontractor that built flange #47 for perseverance. Plus they poached the JPL engineer who designed wire harness ‘b2’ for MRO and the assistant manager for landing systems on Mars Polar Lander.
>>16539139Love seeing California in flames
>>16539139Burn motherfuckers, BURN.
>>16539139Source on them evacuating JPL?
woosh
>>16539151Falcon 9 is only a dozen launches away from overtaking Proton to become the most launched active orbital launch system
>>16539139democrat governance at work
>>16539146nta but the la times has a map that shows jpl as mandatory evacuation zone.
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
stuck it
>>16539139That's creative destruction. They can build back denser brick / stone construction.
>>16539162NO WAY!!1!
> The newly proposed Mars Sample Return schedule could lead to launches in the 2030-31 time frame, and delivery of the samples by as early as 2035. “But it could go out to 2039,” Nelson said. That's okay Bill. Go take a nap.
>>16539169this is a fucking joke
>>16539169does he know that rocketlab could have the samples returned as early as 2031?
E2E firefighting Starships
>>16539175returning the samples ASAP could be quite useful for the colonization effort
>>16539162like a champ. but then, he's had practice
>>16538942Understandable, they could use the money. It's a lot of unproven tech for RocketLab (though I didn't know they had their hands in that many things) so it'd probably end up around 2035, too, and with lower confidence, but at least it'd be attempted then and not even later.
>>16539139Is the JPL Frisbee Golf Course safe?Is that even still there?
>>16539028This and trains for people is unbelievably uneconomical. When planes exist there just isnt any point for HSR
>>16539076Sounds like an RL-10 not an RS-25.
>>16539139>JPL burning down>MSR suddenly billions cheaper and a decade ahead of scheduleHMMMMM
>>16539186I'd rather ride a train than a plane, but neither one is very comfortable in the US due to being packed in like sardines and screened like feral criminals before being allowed to board. I'd rather walk.
>>16539184The one in hahamongna park? I don’t think it’s actually associated with JPL. There may be another I’m not familiar with though.
>>16539139Congratulations on the infrastructure mass reduction!!!
>>16539175Why can't Musk, Bezos and Beck chip in to fund that mission?
>>16539213why would they?
>>16539220Why wouldn't they? Elon wasted 40 billion on twitter.
>>16539238elon has better mars plans, bezos doesn’t give a shit about mars, and beck can’t afford to run a mission like that on his own dime.
>>16539193https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YF-90>Thrust, vacuum 2,200 kilonewtons
>>16539208Oak Grove Park, but back in the day don't think there was a fence and you coulHwtand cut straight over.
>>16539076
Baja Canada is a pretty town. Hope it doesn't burn down.
I hope everything burns. All of Earth will be glassed soon. Venus could empire will reign supreme
>>16539238seems like a pretty shrewd investment, not a waste
NSF and Reddit saying it got moved to the 13th, but I can't see any official confirmation?
>>16539258>Baja Canada is a pretty town. Hope it doesn't burn down.>Baja Canada>>16539264>I hope everything burns. All of Earth will be glassed soon. Venus could empire will reign supreme>Venus could empireThe duality of retard
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1877033118395220150
>>16539285The official confirmation is Elon.
>>16539288
>>16539162That's wild.
>>16539288subtard
>AF postFuck off
>>16539288Both of them seem to be terrible fathers.But the difference is that Elon still acts like a spoiled child.
>>16539288might be his first shitpost that made me chuckle instead of cringe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb09rqSGc34>SpaceX Starship 33 Close Look Starbase Texas Test Flight 7 Starlink PEZ Dispenser 4K
>>16539291I'm not scrolling through his autistic sperg outs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGgmaybe the shit weather was cause the cause for the delay?
>>16539312Maybe, we will never know.
>>16539312could be from having lots of launches on the same day too. there are only so many launch windows available in a day.
>>16537402>>16537410She's an airhead who buys a new phone every time her battery runs out and uses exclusively hundred dollar bills for everything.
>>16539312The ship is not even stacked yet
Starship to Mars refueling plan just dropped!!
>>16539308>>16538018
>>16539308have we seen them loading the starlink simulators yet?
>>16539328yeah >>16538833
>>16539328Sure did
>>16539136this one won't, a generic payload bay and door needs to be designed
north american space agency
>>16539305I remember when this was the norm, not the exception. Fuck, take me back.
>>16539310>The seventh flight test Starship of is preparing to launch as soon as Monday, January 13. Teams at Starbase are keeping an eye on weather conditions for preflight operationhttps://x.com/SpaceX/status/1877054585388355812
>>16539352has there been a single fucking launch attempt where the weather has just been nice and calm for the week
>>16539354The tyranny of the atmosphere can only be tolerated so far, our patience has its limit!
>of is
>need hundred of launches for refuels>oh no some rain
That's it. Atmospheres are fucking gay. "Waaah I need muh air to breave!!!". Just shut the fuck up. It's pointless air. Makes you age, spreads diseases, causes 95% of natural disasters. etc. It's uncontrollable air. Thousands of years from now, humans will only colonise airless planets, as we come to accept their superiority.
>>16539363you’re preaching to the choir anon
>>16539352https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-7
>The launch window will open at 4:00 p.m. CT
For fuck's sake! Another wait... And I have to get through another damned Monday so I can watch it!
>>16539361>oops hurricane season>can't launch this month
>>16539357I think "of" and "Starship" were transposed.
>>16539395Elon needs to start making weather control satellites.
>>16539402He needs to be launching from Arizona over land
>>16539318this makes sense
>>16537041>New Glenn maiden flight and Starship Flight 7 on the 10thoh no no no
What happened to anon that build his own engine?Did he die in a fiery but mostly peaceful explosion?
>>16539443It worked and he left this gay world behind, he's now a Ceresposter.
>>16539441>Starship Flight 7 on the 10th
>>16539448What were the cowbells for?
>>16539450so it doesn't get lost after wandering too far off
>>16539450thrust
https://x.com/AshleyKillip/status/1876887607310684199>Looking at the @LabPadre Rover 1 camera an elevated work platform has just finished working around the ship catch point it is looking like the bolt on test catch pin has finally been installed.
https://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2025/01/possible-space-debris-impact-in-kenia.html>On 30 December 2024, reportedly near 12:00 UTC, an odd object is believed to have fallen from the sky near the village of Mukuku in Kenya (approximately 1.58 S, 37.61 E, some 100 km from the Kenyan capital Nairobi). It is metal ring of about 2.5 meter in size and reportedly 500 kg mass, although that mass could be an estimate only.>That viable candidate is object 33155 (2008-034C), an Ariane SYLDA adapter from flight V184, the launch of ProtoStar 1 and BADR 6 to geosynchonous orbit on 7 July 2008. This SYLDA adapter was left in a 1.6 degree inclined GTO following the launch and had its reentry on or near December 30.
IFT-7
>>16539502starship 7
https://x.com/Space_Time3/status/1877091800545927604
how is the USA allowed to demand space on the indian ocean
>>16539507AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>16539502>>16539505Starship's Seventh Test Flight.
>>16539512no that doesn’t sound right
SpaceX needs 20 test flightsBO needs 1
>>16539507>>16539508>>16539510>>16539512>>16539514>Shilling spaceX this hardGood morning Sars.Are you guys based in Texas or wut?
>>16539522I'm in canada :)
>>16539520gradatim ferociter!
>>16539522good morning saar
>>16539522>not shilling spaceX this hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcknd3rfQiU
>>16539507They are not confident. These are all really bad signs
>>16539534It's actually over. Starship is done.
>>16539539Starship never began. it was a fucking hologram to pump the stockp t fucking muskem
https://x.com/ToughSf/status/1877097955737637339https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=W7KHrVh0dhgC&pg=PA1888>Now, I'd like to turn first to chemical propulsion. Chemical propulsion is, and will be for some time to come, the means by which man initially breaks the shackles of the earth's gravitational field and reaches into space. The present advanced research and technology program of chemical propulsion for space vehicles embraces liquid and solid rocket propulsion. The program is one of research leading to better understanding of chemical propulsion and of technology programs to increase our ability to meet the future propulsion requirements in space.>As a result of work undertaken in the past year, it is believed that the significant advancements in new concepts leading to very large rocket engines are possible. Last year we mentioned to you the possibility of new nozzle configurations to make shorter engines. We have also conducted research into the use of higher combustion chamber pressures. The potential effect of bringing these two concepts together can be illustrated by figure 86.>On your left is the F-1 engine with [6.7 MN] of thrust. This is an example of the current state of the art and is the largest engine in development in the free world...Five of these engines will be used in the first stage of the Saturn V. Engine technology has progressed such that the next larger engine size could have a thrust on the order of [89-133 MN]. The second engine shown which is compared with a man's height indicates the size of engine which would result if the F-1 technology were employed to develop [106 MN] of thrust. It should be noted that such an engine would be roughly equivalent in size to a four-story building.
>>16539542>By increasing the chamber pressure through new advances in research, the same thrust could be delivered by the third engine shown. An even more interesting engine concept is shown on the far right where high chamber pressure in one of the new nozzle design concepts are combined to develop an equivalent level of thrust.>Figure 87 illustrates a model employing one of the advanced nozzle concepts that we have been working on which has a cluster of individual combustion chambers. It has a single large pump in the center supplying fuel and oxygen into the individual combustion chambers along the periphery which, in turn, discharge into a common nozzle.
>>16539543what could have been…
Looks like JPL is going to burn, fire has spread westwards since the last FIRMS update.
>>16539542>It should be noted that such an engine would be roughly equivalent in size to a four-story building.
>>16539561how close is the fire to the spacex factory?
>>16539448>SAAthey forgot the R
Things happen on the surface of venus every day and we don’t even know it
>>16539563It's a lot closer than anyone would consider comfortable, but the fire seems to be mostly spreading westward rather than east, so Hawthorne should be fine
oh shit...
>>16539561Why don't they just use jet engines to counterblast the fire.
what are they doing
>>16539572how will this impact the Mars Sample Return timeline?
>>16539574They don't actually do jet engines. They just research how cool new jet engines would be
>>16539576I don't give a shit about MSR, but what if the fire destroys Dragonfly? Fuckkk
> Eric Berger - Regardless of the outcome, finally getting New Glenn off the launch pad is a huge win for Blue Origin. I don't expect a nominal launch, but it would be great if it happens. I definitely don't expect a nominal first stage landing, but that would be truly heroic if it happens.Eric going all misty eyed.
>>16539576It will now be a 1/4 of the cost and half the time
>>16539378>>16539379>how many tiles can we miss before it becomes a problem
>>16539572this is gonna set US exploration back a decade. I wonder if those Chinese drones from last year started the fire.
>>16539575thing on top might be simulating a mass simulator.
Someone stage when it reaches page 10, I can't this time
>>16538995starship to GEO is going to cost double FH
>>16539614Shuttle going to GEO is going to cost double Titan IV
https://x.com/rocketjunkie94/status/1877068342185333101>That's a whole lot of tiles seeminly being left off intentionally for this flight. Seems like SpaceX are planning on pushing even harder to find out the limits of Starship during this next flight
>>16539614New Glenn is costing $1
>>16539617which one is the active cooling tile
>>16539619entire middle row
>>16539617How many more tiles can they remove? What flight is this going to bite them in the ass on?
>>16539604Californians do that to themselves
>>16539626>>16539626>>16539626>>16539626>>16539626
>>16539622I suspect they can lose quite a few more as long as the lost tiles aren't adjacent.
>>16539019>>16538859Beck is based. Elon should fund this personally.
>>16539633Yes, and?
I'm not getting out of my chair.
>>16539628>used name field instead of title AND staged on page 9you are not going to space today
>>16539568Like what?
>>16539428If she works the first time we'll have to accept her being a perfectionist idiot savant.
>>16539288based green trees appreciator https://youtu.be/KH1U5x8LXgs&t=5040
>>16539628>subject in name>page 9 stage
>>16539520It is highly amusing that the EDS crowd never remembers that Blue's HLS also requires multiple refuelings.
What's the point of those petty tribal politics? You're acting like those mouthbreating football fans beating each other over some irrelevant stuff.
>>16539520more roggets = more better
>>16539543You might be able to fit enough BE-4 in an SLS diameter SRB with this sort of nozzle to produce the required thrust.7 Raptors would also do the job but they are thrust dense enough that they don't need a novel setup to work.
>>16539730>pay no attention, let the people doing vile things continue
https://x.com/GregScott_photo/status/1877164715597574314It's over.
>>16539747Ferociously Gradatiming itself into a NET 2026.
>>16539747companies need to stop building rockets for only the calmest safest pussiest weather
>>16539747New Glenn launched and landed perfectly in 1993. Starship not so much
>>16539747Wow it really is just a heavy lift ULA vehicle, they reaped all the middle-to-top talent from oldspace and called it a new company
Gentlemen, JPL is about to be struck down by the fiery hand of the almighty. What a great day.
>>16539793have you no soul?
>>16539803It's a toy car the drives like 3 miles over 20 years and costs 99999999999 dollars that could have been spent to build reusable rocketry. Eat a dick nigger.
>>16539793Judgment of Pandemonium's Lord
>>16539793Are the mars rovers gonna lose control?
>>16537041The New Glenn maiden flight and Starship Flight 7 are scheduled for January 10th.Users speculate that Elon Musk's recent behavior may be a distraction from the H-1B visa fiasco or other issues.Some users believe that SpaceX can survive without Elon Musk, citing the company's potential to continue without him.The UK's space industry is discussed, with users mentioning smallsat launchers such as Orbex and Skyrora, and Richard Branson's Virgin Orbit.Users make humorous comments about the UK's situation, with some suggesting that it's under "genocidal rape" and others noting that the British people may be reluctant to take action.The possibility of multiple launches on January 10th, including New Glenn and Starship, is discussed.
Can we do the same on ISS?
>>16539835>The New Glenn maiden flight and Starship Flight 7 are scheduled for January 10th.No they're not.Dumbass.
>>16539835This sounds like an LLM analysis of the thread.
>>16539838>Some users believe that SpaceX can survive without Elon Musk, citing the company's potential to continue without him.That's a clear sign of it being a machine generated post. Not because of the subject of SpaceX not needing Musk but because it's a silly tautological statement that no human would make.
>>16539793oh noooooooanywaysfrfr like, why does NASA keep all this super important shit in fucking LA metro of all placesis it some kind of weird boondoggle or what
S33 has her non structural landing pins
>>16539860expendable landing pinsno way that design is going to be structurally sound after >10 reentries
>>16539852Because science types, such as >>16440581, want to live in cities. It hasn't always been this way but currently, there's an affinity between "science" and leftism, which itself is strongly tied to urban settlements. Back in the 70s and 80s, lots of research facilities were built in rural areas, small towns, or the extreme exurban fringe so people doing research could focus on their area of expertise and not be distracted by urban woes. In some cases, urban sprawl simply caught up with and swallowed those facilities, but much more common has been the relocation of human and physical assets to urban areas so the people who work in research can feel at home surrounded by leftists they feel affinity towards.
someone make a real stage
>>16539882okay
Staging: >>16539884>>16539884>>16539884
>>16539771They got some underachievers who couldn't deal with SpaceX too.
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