Tochinoshin edition >Schedule:https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnTicket/year_schedule/>Banzuke:http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx>All the sumo links and how to watch live:https://rentry.org/uwbgc88dThread 1 >>145566423Thread 2 >>145622228
If Onosato wins they'll make him yokozuna right?
>>145710465No.
In the race it seems
>>145710525Sounds racist, they should stop being racists against Japanese people.
>>145710326Fukin love that big bastard
>>145710465Onosato will be Yokozuna in one year and one basho from now.As foretold.
Is there any universe where if Wakamoto and Daiesho both have winning records and Wakataka has 10+ wins that the commitee gives us three sekiwake? This is assuming Kirishima continues his shittery and crashes out.
Marbelousalso guys does anyone know where I can watch last night's makuuchi bouts? I went to sleep after juryo and the usual spot I watch this morning didn't have anything up
>>145710465he can'tthis is only his first tournament at ozeki, yokozuna promotion needs 2 tournaments at ozeki that meet the requirements*
webm bros?
>>14571132511 is usually the threshold, but it's pretty frequent to have more than 2 sekiwake.
Onosato needs to amp up his pre bout theatrics, his 'just another day at the office' attitude indicates a satisfaction with his current rank which will never get him promoted.
>>145711325I don't see it.just sounds likeWakamoto & Daiesho SekiwakeWakataka & Abi Komusubi
>>145711240Onosato will pull a Kisenosato and, before you know it, he will be "almost ready for yokozuna" in 2028
>>145714870Except Onosato wouldn't get a pity promotion since there aren't 3 active Yokozuna in front of him.
>>145713911If a komusubi gets 11+ wins, they make sekiwake period. It's so they don't deny someone who's put up a sufficiently strong performance. Joi-maegashira usually get this too, though of course the number of wins needed increases the further down they are.
>>145710465>>145710465Kisenosato will surpass Hakuho in the end
>>145716324which Komusubi do you think is getting 11+? WKMT looks like he's getting Kirishima's soon-to-be open Sekiwake slot anyway. No need for a 3rd. a theoretical 12 win WKTK probably only gets Komusubi, same they did to Ichinojo 2022 Nagoya -> Aki
>>145710465Absolutely not. The record for fewest bashos from Ozeki to Zuna is TECHNICALLY 2, set by Terunofuji who to be desu was an exception due to restarting his entire career from already being an Ozeki.>He got a yusho right before Ozeki promotion>He got a yusho after being re-promoted to Ozeki>His second re-Ozeki basho was the epic 14-0 faceoff against Hakuho in his final bashoTeru was clearly worthy of the rope after this, and the lone Zuna retiring meant the JSA had a vested interest in a new one.Aside from the exception of Teru at 2, two rikishi did it raw in 3 basho, those being Chiyonofuji and Asashoryu. Unless Onosato wins out this basho he isn't going to get there in 3.
>>145716922how many yusho does he need onosato and others in his stable to win before the japs proclaim him as ackshually the best yokozuna ever
>>14571711513-2 isn't going to be required to win this 'sho. Onosato was undefeated at this point in March and won with 13-2, there aren't any undefeated competitors left this time
>>145717057I'm talking hypotheticals, not specifics. I don't expect it will happen this tournament, but if WTK somehow won out he'd make sekiwake.
>>145717378Asashoryu at his peak won 20 yusho in 26 basho. Not even Hakuho won that many in such a small timeframe, taking 28 bashos to go from his 2nd to his 21st yushos. Do you think Onosato can win 19 yushos in the next 23 bashos including this one?
>>145717600I'm pretty sure it was Kisenosato himself who said that a 12-3 yusho doesn't make a Yokozuna.>Makes Zuna>Goes 13-2 yusho one fucking time as Zuna>Retires after posting a 10-5 in the midst of a sea of intaisWhat an actual fag Zuna he was.
>>145717378Whose a judge, has successful students, and still has a Stable? And who is the one cleaning the stadium toilets?
>>145719733Onosato is his only good student, and Onosato would've been successful under anyone considering his amateur career. He also has Shirokuma who's currently jobbing in Juryo.
Speaking of which, does anyone know the terms under which Onosato joined Kisenosato's stable? What are the odds the JSA pushed for it so the next nip Zuna could be the student of the last nip Zuna?
>>145715083>Takerufuji>Aonishiki>KogaThey'll have no choice.
New to sumo, I’m surprised to hear about wrestlers meeting 20+ times and have 15+ yrs in the sport. Is it a lucrative career? Where should I start to learn about the greats and best eras?
>>145722260>Is it a lucrative career?Not compared to western sports, but sumo is more about tradition, culture, and honour than money. The guys in the top two divisions earn an annual salary of about $100k before considering any prizes they win or advertisement/merchandising deals. Top guys live very comfortably so the money isn't really the point.>Where should I start to learn about the greats and best eras?Go watch youtube content about Hakuho, the "greatest of all time". Then go watch youtube content about Asashoryu, the greatest of all time who had his career cut short due to being part of a criminal gang. His nephew Hoshoryu is currently the 3rd highest ranked active sumo and a frontrunner in the ongoing tournament in which he looks like the favourite.Tbh eras are shit because you don't really know what went on 100+ years ago. Here, go watch Yokozuna Akebono's final yusho, it's an utterly vulgar display of raw brute force and power.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B_5p_FiANQThat first bout holy fucking shit my man, the difference in power is incredible. The way Akebono returns to his starting position to bow with the look of a psychopathic serial murderer on his face is some real good shit.
>>145722495Hell yea bro thanks I’m saving your post
>>145722260>lucrativeNot as much as international sports. Decent money + sponsorship opportunities if you reach sekitori (division 1/2) status, but stability (food/shelter/clothes/allowances) is generally present even for the full-time journeymen fucking around in the lower divisions.>Where should I start to learn about the greats and best eras?I'll recommend some rikishi that I feel are worth researching based on that description, they should have some Youtube highlights/documentaries:>Hakuho>Asashoryu>Chiyonofuji>Akebono>Takanohana>Wakanohana
>>145722663Since you seem genuine I'll give you a tldr about some of the current guys. I've not been watching all that long in comparison to other people but here's a rundown of the current top dudes (Sanyaku):>TerunofujiOnly current "active" Yokozuna. Wins every basho he attends, has only attended 3 in the last 2 years. Complete monster of a man with no knees and diabetes.>KotozakuraGrandson of the former Yokozuna Kotozakura who wants to take his grandfather's name back to the highest rank of sumo. Has four tits and is very physically powerful if a little immobile. Hasn't won a yusho yet which desu is poor form for an Ozeki.>HoshoryuNephew of the former Yokozuna Asashoryu who is sick and tired of three hour long phonecalls from his uncle about how he needs to improve his sumo game. Is the only current top guy to focus primarily on throwing his opponents as opposed to pushing them out and the current favourite to win this basho. His bout with Wakatakakage this basho was him literally flipping the cunt onto his ass, good shit.>OnosatoThe hot ticket. Broke the record for fastest Ozeki promotion, has two yushos under his belt since makuuchi debut in January, is odds on favourite for next Yokozuna. Won the last basho but is one win behind the pace at the moment. Literally cannot beat Wakatakakage or Abi but is a complete steamroller who does not move backwards otherwise.>KirishimaThe first Mongolian to make Ozeki and be demoted instead of promoted to Yokozuna. Is floundering hard currently and ruining 75% of fantasy sumo teams.>DaieishoThe ultimate in Sekiwake technology. Will go 8-7 until he retires of boredom.>AbiA piece of shit. Loves to nodowa (throat push) at the tachiai (initial meet at the start of a bout).>WakamotoharuVery honorabru solid sumo. Brother of Wakatakakage who is also in the top division.>ShodaiLord of Chaos, former yusho-less Ozeki who probably shouldn't have been given the Komusubi slot over Oho or Wakatakakage.
>>145711928
>>145722952Yea I watched all the highlight from the past week and I’m starting to learn the names and see which ones are too old or too small or not as technically skilled. I do wish they were slightly longer best 2 out of 3
>>145723170>too oldTamawashi is a treasure fuck you.>too smallMidorifuji and Asakoryu, when will these manlets learn???
Hush, newfag.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOfMtyGShPA
>>145723170The highlights cut a lotfull length of a tournament, including all divisions, is like 8.5 hours long or even morepersonally I keep track of a number of wrestlers outside the top divisions so there's a lot to watch
>>145723707*full length of one day of a tournament
>>145723594Astounding video that is. Chiyonofuji the absolute beast.
>>145723733yeah guys these days don't eat as clen or tren as hard if you know what I mean
>>145723759tbdesu I don't care if rikishi do roids. They basically need to to keep up with the schedule they're given by the JSA.
>>145723759You can say what you want about PEDs. The guy was 250lbs throwing around 400lb guys that train all day to not get thrown around. He beat 550lb konishiki 4 times in that streak.
Imagine if Onosato started juicingthat would be nuts
Nobody associated with sumo cares if the guys are gassing, and it's legal under Japanese law. Sumo isn't associated with the IOC so nobody gives a shit.The reason why Chiyonofuji and others in his era were gassing and why fewer if any are now is simply the cost. The 80s were the bubble period when billions of yakuza yen were flowing through sumo like a gravy train, and even unsalaried veterans were living well simply on all the perks the sekitori and supporters were throwing around. Now not so much, and there's increased scrutiny around yakuza money.
I am going to get a tattoo of Nabatame if he kk’s this basho. Dubs and you can decide where I get it.
>>145724233NABA on one asscheek. TAME on the other.
I am a complete ignorant when it comes to copyright laws, so bear with me: Is there a place I can watch without the ads? Why do the streamers deliberately put on recorded commercials from YouTube?
>>145724423This is your fault for choosing the path of least resistance. Just search kyushu basho into Youtube, look for livestreams instead of videos, and you'll easily find someone streaming the Abema broadcast.
>>145724599Based
One thing I’ve been really impressed by after watching sumo for about 2 years now is the accuracy of the refs / judges.. they seem to pretty much always make the right call… compared to refs in other sports these guys are total studs… unless they’re getting a signal from someone off camera who’s checking video replay it’s quite remarkable
Manletbros WE WON
>>145725364retardkun i have some news
>>145725364One of the ringside judges, or rikishi named hakuho, has to signal for the monoi first.But yeah they have a team up in the video booths checking replays, the head shimpan always wears an earpiece.
>>145725677If the judges actually have indirect access to those video feeds that makes some of their calls even more baffling. I always just assumed the replays were for us.
>>145725364It helps that the judges are all elders who are all former wrestlers, so they know what to look for from practical experience. If all referees had to be former players you'd get something similar.
>>145725677Hakuho's autism is incredible.
BLACK BROS WE'RE TAKING OVER THE SPORT
>>145723759>>145723916No amount of steroids gives you the ability to do this.
>I CAN'T GRAB HIS BELT DUE TO HIS FAT ROLLS AND CAN'T DO MY WAY OF SUMO??? >NISHONOSEKI-OYAKATA TATSUKEEEEEE
>>145726067>That man in the middle of the crowd who gives a jerk of the head while clappingThat man was watching some good shit.
>>145725885Dont get too excited bro, he still hasnt broken 100kg and will always have issues with gaining weight. Hes getting better, but hes still lacking in skill
>>145722969>So long Gy-oji!
>>145726347Too late, I've already called my mates from Bahia to start training for the next Basho as we speak.
The low division gyojis take this shit way too seriously.
>>145726067Sometimes the low level grappling knowledge sumo has makes me cringe
Wakatakamoto is now 4-1. Just couldn't get a good grip on Osanai's belt before getting thrown.
>Eldest Waka brother lostUhhh Wakabros???
>>145717115>Aside from the exception of Teru at 2, two rikishi did it raw in 3 basho, those being Chiyonofuji and Asashoryu. Unless Onosato wins out this basho he isn't going to get there in 3.>>ChiyonofujiNope not a chance. Especially with the standard, Chiyonofuji, making yokozuna at 3 bashos. Plus, if nephew wins this yuusho, he'll probably be favored to win in January... A year or two i
>>145727235Bad omen for what's to come for today. Shodai is about to use the bad energy from that defeat to win against Wakatakatakaakatakage.
>>145724233Across your knuckles, one letter per finger
>>145726581Relax Monkey-bro. You already gotta Brazilian (born in Japan) and he sucks. Couldnt get single win outta 5 matches this basho
>>145727413Not black, therefore doesn't count.
>>145727152grappling is gayer than sex with a man
>>145724090I can't say for the cost in Japan, but in North America steroids are dirt cheap. People don't realize how fucking cheap, plentiful, and easily attainable this shit is. Obviously certain compounds are more expensive and limited, but simple testosterone and others is insanely cheap.
>Fujinoyamauhhh doesn't that mean mountain mountain?
>>145727452Sorry Monkey bro. American 'groids ruined things for you already
>>145727628Fucking kek is that real?
>Kinky UniversityWhere do I sign up?
>>145727598No.
>>145727681Yes, very much so
>>145724090Strange, I assumed they would be considering their attitude towards weed
I was watching makushita and decided to look at records on a whim. Has anyone been keeping track of this guy?
>>145728361>no more than 2 lossesDecent, but we need wait and see his performance once he make it to juryo.
Kusano is KK
>henkas when he's comically aheadOshoumi...
Oshoumi... too strong...
>>145727628had more negative run ins with young women on last trains than nogs tbqh.
Aonishiki 6-3. Tsurugisho has been very strong this basho.
>>145728361Bit short.
>0-9Just give up bro. Go find a new job.
>>145728898
First hansoku of the basho?
Day 9: Ross
>an entire barrel of sake
Gagamaru looks so much healthier than how he looked when he was still wrestling.
Abema not taking off the "LIVE" marker when they are showing footage from previous days is yet another reason they need to lose their fucking broadcasting license
>>145729157So which one of them would you guys fuck?
WTF someone bought a banner for Chiyoshoma vs Asakouryu?
>>145722969Wait, where is natto uploading these? I've been having to watch kintamayama because natto always deletes his channels and videos and I couldn't keep track.
>>145729189They're all old hags behind five layers of makeup. So none.
>>145729203Where is your honorable Japanese spirit, you faggot.
>>145729190>someone actually wanted to sponsor Henkas Khan vs muscle manlet
Horrible display by Sadanoumi there.
Takerufuji ain’t that good he’ll peak at ōzeki and that’s a maybe
Shonanoumi could really be something if he gets his shit together
>>145729258>ain't that good>peak at the rank that 99.99% of sumotori will never reachI'd say that's pretty good.
what a save
Fuck, Tom had it for a bit there.
hmmmm... the katsu.
KWAB
Oo no make
Mitakeumi has perished.
>yorikiri win for Ichiyamamotowtf
>the cameraman with the slow ass zoom in
So much spinning.
Nishikigi plsI like you too much for you to be this inconsistent
delete abema
Dog > Wolf
>Takanosho KK
Nosebleed...
Ura...
Finally a win, Ohobros.
>>145729431imo worst thing about abema is easily zoom-in/out in middle of a match. Whenever rikishis stop they zoom in for close-ups, only to get fucked when they move again 2 seconds later every single time. Like what the fuck did those retards expect?
lol
??????????????
having a laugh are we
>>145729574
>shodai
???????????????????????????Again
komosubi shodai
what the fuck was the plan there plansissies
>>145729561Every time, I ask myself what they think they're doing. Apparently, they don't ask themselves that.
>>145729577kek, nice edit
Abi looking like he wants this yusho
Daieisho status: Abi'd
Lmao at Atamikek
ATAMI WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING
kinoshima...
Atomic Fujibros...
Someone cut this boy's toes
Isegahama is going to have another violence scandal if Atamin keeps choking.
The spinning keeps working.
Hosh is fucking bringing it this basho
>>145729648Atamifuji is more than 2 years younger than anyone else in makuuchi. He's fine.
Oshoma's face pisses me off
Lmao Naruto propably told Oshoma to eat the clay
the dulcet tones of Jirou never fail to brighten up my day
Nabatame needs to fix his footwork
Say something nice about your leaders and chasers
>>145730136im surprised my boy, Takarafuji is in the running. go get 'em!
>>145730136Hosh bringing some high test manly sumo to the dohyo, fuggin good to see, they're the kind of energetic throws you show your family to get them into the sport
>>145724233Forehead.
>>145724233On the lower belly of course
>>145729998Rip Nabatame sisters it’s not looking good
asashoryu chico throwing motherfuckers left and right
I think the gyojis sometimes forget which side the obvious winner started on and hesitate to point their fans. Is there something or someone to remind them in the lower left?
She mirin
Chiyomarubros...
This basho is almost boring in how routine everything is.>The Ozeki are winning>Lower ranks are slowly dropping out of the race
>>145732012The Ozeki winning hasn't really been routine for a while now.
>>145732012That's a good thing, I like when the top ranks are actually dominant. Onosato is continuing is run of form and this is the best Hoshoryu has looked in a while.It's only boring when you have years of Hakuho dummying everyone with no resistance, but bashos where there are multiple strong top guys means the last days are going to be bangers when they all face each other.
>>145732009He faces the final curtain.
I wonder what Teru thinks about this basho.
>>145732253Propably wondering how much roids he needs to counter Onosato
>>145732253he's probably sitting at home with his beautiful wife, saying to himself "ow oof my knees are exploding ouchie"
>>145732009RIP in peace, big guyHe's the reason i started watching sumo, so i wish him all the best
>>145732268>oof ouch my insulin ouchie
>>145732268they should get off the carpet then
>>145732253Thinking about how he will crush the dreams of whichever ozeki wins Kyushu in January.
>>145733130Watching him toss around Hosh might be fun
>>145733130>>145733158>Your uncle was one of the all time greats and I had to settle for fighting YOU
>>145732012>ozeki winningi dont think you've seen the last few bashos>>145732253>can someone finally step up for yoko for fuck's sake
>>145733287When I said the Ozeki winning was routine I didn't mean that it always happens; more that it's what should've been happening all along and now it's happening so like okay. It's all just so uneventful so far. Takanosho threatening to repeat his July performance and Kirishitma tanking are the only things happening right now, and even then Kirishitma is clawing his wins back and might even go KK if he gets lucky.
>englishman>whiningwhat else is new
>>145733317Takarafuji winning 7 in a row counts as something happening to me.
Good so far, I just finished Day 7 and if the top niggas keep winning against the lowers and trading amongst themselves then we'll have a nice stacked upper card towards the end. Good drama, hopefully a play off.
>>145733503Ochiai, so young and full of promise :(
>doesn't call matta when he clearly should>calls mata when he clearly shouldn'trare fuckup by my favourite gyoji
>>145733503Everyone in that pic is struggling
>>145734052
>>145730136Nob dog will win this.
>>145734308I fucking hope not because we need a new bastarding Zuna already. We're about to break the record for longest period of time without a Zuna v Zuna fight and no one's even close to the rope right now. It's been a year since any Ozeki won a basho, and none of the current ones have won a basho at Ozeki.
>>145734308He's finishing 8-7 sorry man.
>>145734172Life is hard sometimes
>>145734172Ishiura should be fine.
>>145734052>>145734218In first attempt Shoudai didn't put down his hands and head shinpan called matta and Kounosuke was surprised. In the second attempt Shoudai put down his hands, but even Gagamaru said he didn't, so no clue what happened there. Shoudai is confusing for everyone
Is there any particular reason everybody hates hosh here? Apart from him not becoming a zuna faster.
>>145735400I don't hate him, but I'm not high on him either. After his awful performance in Aki, I had him pinned to make a strong comeback this 'sho, but I also think he's going to look weaker again after this tourney. Maybe not 8-7 level, but I woudn't expect any more than 10 wins in January. He's been consistent in his inconsistency up until now, but maybe this is the turning point for him and ends up making a zuna run from here. I'd put more money on him not though.
>>145735400Low test individuals dislike his theatrics.I just enjoy his throws.
>>145735400He's a prick, but he's not as good as his uncle was. Besides that, he's cool to watch.
>>145735497I thoroughly enjoy his staredowns.
Total Abi make-koshi.Henka Abi. Yorikiri Abi.Slam dunk Abi onto the clay.Push or pull Abi, throw him off the dohyo!
Kotozakutera supremacy
>>145735400I like his aggressive fighting style, but he's a mongo in the end of the day. I just hope I live long enough to see another japanese zuna who can put mongos in their place.
>>145729189Right, obviously.
>>145736613>in their placeI think they're already there. That place is the top.
>>145735400I don't think people hate himbut maybe they're a bit disappointed that he wasn't the force that onosato is nowhoshoryu could've been a yokozuna already and yet he could becoming more and more like takakeisho or goeido instead, just hanging onto ozeki rank and never advancing
>>145736787No, this is their place. Gotta send all of them back to their country and tell them to do bokh instead.
>>145736943*irreversibly changes modern ozumo in your path*
>>145735400
>>145736167sup reddit4chan is a pro-Abi website, learn to abide by this rule or gtfo
>>145736167>Henka Abi.
>>145735400Well, people can't help but compare him to his uncle and Hosh can't help but look bad next to the peerless Asashoryu
Shimizuumi please do not make that a habit in makushita that was Shikihide-tier
>0-10
Splendid brinkmanship in the Daiamami - Kotoeiho contest
Nabatame might get his KK if they keep throwing struggling crippled men at him
Who are we picking for the basho ?Personally, i think hoshoryu is look the best right now but he still has all the big guys to fight. Kotozack is fine i guess too. I'm also willing to entertain a outsider chance for wakakakakaka because he already has fought basically everyone above him while they still have to fight one another
Oshoumi's winstreak has ended. 9-1.
Aonishiki is always falling for the slapdown after overaggressing for the mawashi when he can't gain advantage by pushing.
>>145742482Same for Kagayaki - Hidenoumi. Hidenoumi kept up a spirited defense against the tawara and got a good throw in.
>>145742547Takar[spoiler]a[/spoiler]fuji
Lmao Kinbozan isn't even good just how shit are these Juryo jobbers.
>>145742547As it stands? Nephew > Zack > Big O.
BOW TO THE SHINPAN ZACK YOU FAT FUCK
>>145742728>picking a guy with zero yushos to win over a guy with 2
>>145742547Yeah, Neph looking strong this basho, but I'm rooting for my boy Onosato as usual.
>>145742748Onosato only performs when Teru isn't present. Zack has at least gone jun-yusho against Teru.
Day 10: Murray
Shishi is a fucking idiot and doesn't deserve to be in Makuuchi.
Shishi - Shounannoumi had to have been one of the more embarrassing makuuchi matches this basho.
>shounanoumi loses his balance opening him for an attack>shishi somehow manages to not only miss but lets him have a free shot on him
dapper fellow
>>145735400His personality is terrible.
>>145742829Nice bag.
Old man Hokuto is going down to Juryo at this rate. He could be heading towards retirement.
>>145742837If Hokutofuji retires, the soul of sumo dies.
>>145742832ohzumoh
>>145742837>>145742844There can only be one.
>Matta on a henkafunny
Lucky.
????????????
LOL
?!?!?
oh baby a triple
Pretty funny.
thankfully asa won after that bs
>>145742844His leg may be broken, but his soul will never falter. I will not cast off Hokutofuji in his time of old age; I will not forsake him when his strength fails.
Gyoji watched WTK v Shodai yesterday and wanted to show he can do better.
>Takeru KK
That last push fucking crit.
Takeru KK. What is his peak rank?
>>145742888After his yusho he went to M6 but never compete at it, but that was from M16.
>>145742888I can't speak to his peak, but minimum sekiwake.
MUSCLE MANLET BROS
>>145742888Oh you were asking where do we think he'll end up peaking? Yokozuna.
>>145742920Chicken-legs will never be Yokozuna.
>>145742844>>145742851The year is 20XX (XXth year of Reiwa). Everyone does oshizumo at dai yokozuna levels of perfection. Because of this, the winner of a match depends solely on tachiai priority. The torinaoshi injury metagame has evolved to ridiculous levels due to it being the only remaining factor to decide bouts. Ozumo has reached its pinnacle. The low tier maegashira are living in make-koshi poverty. It seems nothing can stop the great leader of 20XX, Daiki “Onosato” Nakamura, and his tsukedashi (plr.), the makushita TD who live in massive heyas where they levitate while performing dai yokozuna-level tsuppari on one hand, and forcefeeding alcohol to deshi in the other. The honbasho metagame has gotten to this point where everything is fought out to theoretical perfection, so sekitori wrestle until one of them dislocates a shoulder, and that's the fight.
>>145742925shut up fool
>>145742925Who in the fuck is gonna stop him? You? Fuck off, go do something worth caring about for your country so I can form a stereotype to insult you with because as it stands you have NOTHING.
>>145742925This. Onosato is our future zuna!
Ichi kindly showing Roga how Abi beat Onosato last basho.
>>145742837If Hokuto retires the whole sport ends with him.
>>145742925have you noticed other rikishi's legs? for example chiyoshoma, he has the same. Takeru has however much bigger upper body, so it looks disproportional.
Love seeing Ry*den lose.
>>145742927tsukebito, not tsukedashi.
>be injured>still win?
how do you lose to a man with one leg and half his ass taped on
I'm happy for Mita
Strongmind.
inb4 the katsu
Maybe the silver mawashi wasn't the problem.
Poor Atami...
He is mindbroken, its so over
Rematch I'd say.
torinaoshi!?
WAKATAKAKAGE
>side-steps>wins?
Mad respect for Waka after this. Bout of the day.
>>145743058I don't know what they're teaching over at Arashio, but both the Waka brothers have excellent tawara skills.
Just dodge lolSeriously waka has to be top 5 all time on the bales. He won his yusho doing something similar to takayasu
REMOVE ABI
fuck you abi
ONE LEG!
Abi is literally evil.
Man, after that strong first 6 days i was ready for tomato to perform. Well, next basho for sure
I love to see the two younger Waka brothers win. wtf is up with WTM lol
Hard basho for Ura.
Ura ;_;
>>145743080>wtf is up with WTM lolaversion to steroids, most probably.
>>145743085He can still get KK. Trust the plan.
TMD
Most dishonorable Sumo from Kirishitma.
onosato REMOVED
that's it for onosato
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It's Onosatover...
Next basho for sure.Surely.
You can see the worry and bewilderment in Onosato's face as Daieisho goes off the script and does something that Onosato would never do.
>yorikiried by DaieishoEmbarassing
>>145743129>and does something that Onosato would never do.Sorry, I meant "and does something that Onosato never thought he'd [Daieisho would] do."
let's go neph!!
Neph can definitely win this basho. He's been incredibly strong from the very 1st match.
Looking forward for the Takanosho vs Hoshoryu day 15 playoff.
>>145743150That will be a real dog and pony show
>>145743149Yeah Kotoshoho was actually nothing to him that bout, it was just nephew deciding how to win.
>>145743129>is that his hand on my belt AAAIIIEEEE SAVE ME GREAT YOKOZUNA KISENOSATO
>>145743189Kotoshoho’s knees allow him to be good every other basho he really needs to go get surgery while he’s young
>>145743241Meant for >>145743185
>>145710326Because of his abismal record, Kirishima will dodge at least one Ozeki and get his KK lmao.Also day 15 Hoshoryu vs Kotozakura in the musubi-no-ichiban for the cup would be cool, but i doubt it will happen. [spoiler]Hoshoryu[/spoiler] will lose to fucking Takanosho and ruin it.
>>145742831Why? Has he done anything
>>145743185Actually, Kotoshoho has done some research and didn't let Hosh throw him. But that was the only thing he managed to do.
>>145710326>TochinoshinThis lad still going? I stopped following it a few years ago but he was already half crippled back then
>>145743853He retired and is in wine business now
>>145743862Interesting. I'll buy a bottle if I ever see it.
>>145743819No, it's just contrarianism that sprouted up the instant he hit sanyaku. Same with Teru, Kirishima, Wakatakakage, etc
Shonannoumis back is so shiny, no homo
>>145744070And plump and brown. Do they tan or is it like a Wales situation? Could a tanning bed even contain their girth?
>>145743080At this point, I only hope he can make it to juryo at least once in his life even if he MKs and gets sent back. Fifteen years and he's only been in M-joi like three times.
>>145744296It's not impossible, as we've seen with guys like Tamashoho or Shiden, but it's so depressingly unlikely.
>>145743129>>145743133tbf, Daieisho sticks to his one dimension pushing/thrusting sumo almost as much as the abi flow chart. i still remember him losing to kirishima the exact same way, charging full speed out of the ring after a side step, twice in one day to lise the yusho. even takakeisho never did that>>145735400he gets away with a ton of janky throws. im kind of waiting on a knee tendon to go trying to throw a 400lb guy kind of like what WTK had haphappen. I think his youth is allowing for it, but i feel like its jus a waiting game. this basho has been cleaner, so there may be hope
>>145744301I would love to see Tamashoho in Makuuchi. He's 7-4 from J4e, maybe he can do it. I think last year he got to J1 and got demolished.
It's so over Oho bros. I'm frustrated for him but he looked pretty upset himself on the hanamichi after the bout last night.
>>145743885He's not involved with making it, he just has an import company for Georgian wine
>>145743819Nah, he's a cutie.People on the internet get mad whenever someone starts to succeed or smiles in a way they don't like.
>>145745788Looking slimmer in the neck and face already, good.
>>145743819He gives some sloppy bows sometimes, he threw a mild tantrum when Gonoyama wouldn't put his hands down first at the tachi-ai a while back. In a sport where you're absolutely not supposed to show any personality, little things like that'll get you branded a villain. I personally kind of thought he was a dick for it for a while, but he really is the top ranker providing the most entertaining matches, so I've warmed to him.
Said it before but it bears repeating:Daieisho is the ultimate in Sekiwake technology. The Sekiwake perfected. The 8-7 man. He's the Fleetwood Mac of sumo; you might not like him, but you cannot dislike him.
>>145746167Not only does he have the same blood as Asashoryu but he has to live in the man's shadow. Cut him some slack he's doing great and is the only active rikishi whose fights are consistently entertaining :(
>>145746581>he's doing great and is the only active rikishi whose fights are consistently entertainingThat's what I said, yes.
160cm, but only 16yo, hopefully he can grow up another 10cm to be the next midorifuji
>>145746979Da fuck is mogli doing on the dohyo?
>>145745002why do they wear those things anyway, they fall off so often
>>145747104They are supposed to wear their apron during fights, but obviously this would cause a shitload of problem, get in the way, and generally make a mess, so the sagari replaces those. it's also a ''don't touch there'' sign
Abi has the easiest schedule remaining amongst those with 8 or more wins currently, the rest of them all have their ozeki matchups remaining.
>>145747477Abi bouts dont care about what rank his opponent is. Defeating the flowchart is all you need to aim for
Enho status?
Did anyone else catch how shitscared Zack was of a henka against Tobizaru? He literally did not want to tachiai him, you could see the hesitation lmao.
>>145748224>He literally did not want to tachiai him
>>145748317And? Hakuho even said he didn't want to take Shodai's tachiai with his knees in that state, he just accidentally stepped back further than he thought he was doing so it looked silly.
>>1457481125-0 in sandanme. Facing a guy with four basho experience (including this one) and one Jonokuchi championship tonight.
>>145748351>And?Nothing. Just reminded me of that.>>145748354Neat.
Aonishiki seems to have finally reached a level where the competition is equal to him or at least capable of slowing his progress.
Bros I'm starting to think that Onosato might not live up to his hype, he seems to lose any time things don't go according to his plan of just moving them backwards and out. All he has is momentum, if his initial push doesn't work he loses every time.>ABI GRABBED MY THROAT AAIIIIIEEEEE>WAKATAKAKAGE RESISTED MY PUSH AAIIIIIEEEEE>DAIEISHO RESISTED MY PUSH AAIIIIIEEEEE
>>145748559He's good but he's still new. People will adapt to him, if he's good he'll adapt back. I think he'll still end up pretty dominant.
>>145746562A step above Maegashitter, a step below Okeki.
>>145747038and the other one looks like a youkai
>>145748659When I made that image 5 years ago, I really thought Asanoyama was going to develop to a good ozeki. instead he joined the ozjoke-i list barely above tochinoshin. i was very wrong>>145746562It used to be mitakeumi
Asanoyama can go fuck himself for being the guy who messed up Takerufuji's ankle.
>>145749010well karma did catch up to him and poetic justice was delivered and why asanoyama's knee got fucked
>>145748911That webm is a great argument that sumo wrestlers don't do steroids.
>>145749215More like Asanoyama didn't listen to his trainer on how to lift. Hes moving it fast, but moving it like a retard. There are guys that know what they're doing, hakuho and ishiura for example, and the others who just blast gear and train like a 1960s highschool football coach is programming them
>>145749286Depends what he's trying to train. If he wants to hit his lower back and glutes hard he's doing fine. If he's trying to do a standard deadlift then fucking hell son bend those legs what the fuck.
>>145749336>Depends what he's trying to train. If he wants to hit his lower back and glutes hard he's doing fineAnon, no, this is not fine in any case, ever. There are proper movements to hit glutes and hamstrings. lifting for lower back is how you go to snap city. what he is doing is not one of them, ever.
>>145749286>There are guys that know what they're doing, hakuho and ishiuraSomeone post the Ishiura curling webm. Haven't seen anyone not being retarded in the gym yet. I mean look at this shit: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5be-PFJ_uaA>>145749336Let's be honest, he has no idea what he is trying to hit here. Lower/rounded back for 3 reps is probably not a good idea in general. And he looks so unstable the entire time, constantly adjusting his legs and arms.
>>145749286Chances are most of them are just mimicing exercises off YouTube videos because the stables can't afford a dedicated weightlifting coach.
>>145748911>>145749404People watch this and then wonder why guys are getting more injured lately.Sumo would be unironically better if they put the weights away until they could afford to get someone to train them properly. They're just fucking themselves up. I'm not a hardcore purist but the advantage to all the traditional exercises is they were formulated over centuries to help train guys without injuring them.
>>145749404Honestly Teru's form isn't terrible for rows, he's just handling so much weight that it's impossible to keep "correct" form no matter how hard you try. The real critique here is his pathetic range of motion.
>>145749446>Honestly Teru's form isn't terribleLess than half ROM, swinging, no control on the way down. Mostly because it's too much weight, yes.
>Nephew v DaieishoEasy win for nephew.>Zack v WMHWMH has no real tricks he's just solid honorabru sumo, easy win for Zack.>Onosato v TakanoshoI'd put money on Onosato but Takanosho is looking great while Onosato looks predictable.>Takerufuji v GonoyamaEasy Takeru win.Screencap this.
>>145749404Ive been pretty interested in what they do since I train strongman and powerlifting. I have a bunch of stuff savedHakuho knows how to utilize accommodating resistance and uses SBD equipmenthttps://www.instagram.com/p/BffzE9gFzKR/Ishiura has a 300kg squat pretty ezpz and other things like proper hand over hand dragshttps://www.instagram.com/p/BpB4brlAefr/https://www.instagram.com/p/BofsM-JlbAy/Hakuoho knows proper deadlifts and shoulder press, but i haven't seen any heavy work. id asassume he has a good pull from his form shown and how his muscles developedhttps://www.instagram.com/p/CiZ03DFvEtB/Retired Ozeki Kotoshougiku has a raw 280kg SSB squat with clean form and proper depthhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/CuWbE0fopaF/Bodyweight training, but the foform suggests WTK knows what hes doinghttps://www.instagram.com/reel/C8ECCo0PEUg/Some stables train like pic related. like nah, thats not it man>>145749414lifting is easy to figure out. its pprobably to much ego in their training>>145749446you can do correct form with that weight. Its not even 405lbs
>>145749715If it's any consolation your pic is obviously just a terrible photoshoot. Those weights look brand new, not a spec of dirt on them.
Which sumo wrestlers are most likely to be pathologically addicted to scat?
>>145749715There are still a lot of stables that practice rudimentary traditional training only, where they are doing calisthenics and light-moderate dumbbell work at most. I don't think a single stable has invested in a high quality weight lifting gym yet, but I bet it is going to happen in the next 10 years. Haven't there already been some rumblings about stables wanting to move out to the country where land is cheap so they can build whole facilities specialized to training? You can tell the difference between guys who are including proper weight training in their regimen just by their physiques (and who is probably blasting gear like a madman as well.) Just imagine the freaks we'll be seeing in 10 years when they really dial in the powerlifting, proper nutrition, and pharmaceutical usage. Those guys will be as big as mountains.
>>145749890Abi. I imagine he's done a few shoots himself.
>>145749904Isn't there a stable that's tried to go a little more high tech in their training? Nakamura maybe? I think Sumo Prime Time had a video on them. They had an oxygen chamber for some gay reason like recovery. Their gym looked a bit better than most, but honestly high tech gyms are pointless. You can do all the big compounds on a half rack.
>>145749951iirc their gym was a squat rack, a bench, a bar, a set of weights, and a dumbbell set. This was referred to as a "sports gym". My nigga this is professional athletics, my podunk high school MOGGED that shit HARD.
>>145749988Like I said, you can do all the big compounds on a half rack, you don't need mountains of equipment. You're either a gym equipment salesman or a useful idiot who got suckered by one.
>>145750022I'm a compoundcel through and through, trust me. One set of bare minimum equipment is simply insufficient imo. Get a dedicated deadlift platform, get these niggas training heavy cleans. I think some machines wouldn't be bad, like a leg press, but they aren't necessary.
>>145750123There are 5 major compounds, and not one of them requires specialist equipment.>dedicated deadlift platformMy brother in Christ you are picking weight up off the floor what fucking difference does it make lmaoooo
>>145749904>>145749715https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frq4WmQmq78
hehehehe he fell on his ass
>>145750208It's nice to have a deadlift platform so you aren't unnecessarily beating up your equipment, especially if you're using bumper plates. >>145750250It's more extensive than I remembered, I totally forgot they had 2 racks besides the bench. Get these guys squatting 650lbs a piece with 3D delts and enough test e to kill a horse and we'll know what a truly dominant rikishi looks like. Hip thrust the universe.
>>145750512>3D delts and enough test e to kill a horseHe's at Maegashira 16 my man.
birthmark head in the next match is my dude I've been waiting for this
>>145750545I know, and we need more of him. He needs to be bigger. He needs to be thicker. Strong enough isn't strong enough.
>>145749951Nakamura doesn't have room for anything else, they're across the street from the Kogugikan. Your high school wasn't on $1000/square foot real estate.
150lb najima flailed his way to a 5-1. It's strange to see such small guys in the dohyo. I've been heavier than that since around when I entered high school and I am definitely not fat. Makes me wonder if those guys are trying to prove something
I think the skinny guys are at a point in their sumo career where they're considering if it's worth destroying their bodies to progress further.
>he henka'd?
>>145749704>I'd put money on Onosato but Takanosho is looking great while Onosato looks predictable.Honestly Onosato should stop using the same technique very often and start learning new methods. Most of his opponents already realized what he is trying to do.
>>145751201>abi-sama...pureezu...teach me...the nodowa...
What in the hell is on tochimusashi's back?
>>145749704Gonorilla will kill baby ankles
>>145749715>lifting is easy to figure outLifting properly requires someone who can coach your form for you. If you do it yourself then you'll end up with bad habits that increase the risk of injury. If it's a bunch of people self-trained spotting each other, like I imagine most sumo stables are, then they don't know what to look for in proper form, and more importantly they don't know why it's proper form and how stresses on the body accumulate based on positions. There's a reason why professional coaches need actual degrees for this.
>>145751568If he couldn't beat the bronze bvll back on day 15 in March when he had a busted ankle he isn't doing it now lmao.
>>145751565(me)*toramusashi
>>145751565Cupping marks. Very heavy ones. Probably from repeated application.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupping_therapy
>>145751675>The American Cancer Society notes that "available scientific evidence does not support claims that cupping has any health benefits"Damn it must be effective as fuck if they're saying this.
>>145750208You're an idiot.
Kikuchi about to surpass Koga
Will sumo wresting ever transition to a "ripped body" phasew? Where the new meta will be being lean (boxer or MmA body) and strength and agility will outperform pure mass. Or is that not realistic?
>>145752593There are no weight classes, there is a reason these guys try to be as big as possible. Guys like Chiyonofuji are an exception.
>>145752593Mass will always be important because it helps defend against being pushed and thrown. Mass will be even more important the stronger wrestlers get because it'll be necessary to defend against greater strength. The most we'll get is guys being ripped in addition to large, but you're not getting a large number of lean guys unless the ruleset of sumo changes drastically to the point where it's no longer sumo.
im convinced you have to be a redditor in order to hate on hoshoryuwho else is doing it like him? if it was asashoryu era wold you be talking shit as well? fucking fags i dont even like nephew like that my favs are tama and nobdog
>>145752593>Where the new meta will be being leanNo. The Hawaiians already cemented the idea that having both fat and muscle makes you incredibly broken as opposed to just being lean and with all of the university sumo prospects (which is where many of the new generation of sekitori are coming from as opposed to starting from square one like how it was in the past) being predominantly pusher-thrusters where mass is good, that's not going to change any time soon. >strength and agility will outperform pure mass. There is already a degree of awareness that there is an upwards trend of wrestler weight and injury that's acknowledged by a recommendation paper commissioned by the JSA in 2021. Whether the stablemasters implement training strategies that focus on the former in an effort to reduce the risk of injury and/or premature retirement as a product of the latter is something we can't really predict.
Enho 6-0.
Well done, Enho... well done...
Hagane taking a leaf out of Kirishitma's book and tried a spin.
>>145752812Hosh gets in his own head too much. He tries to have his uncle's swagger but uncle could back it up with consistent results. When Hosh gets uppity after a loss it looks embarrassing.
wakatakakoga
I change my mind about sandanme. This is way better to watch than jonidan and jonokuchi. I thought it was boring simply because there was nothing appealing in particular but it's the best hits of jonidan bouts with all sorts of gimmick rikishi sprinkled in.
>>145752883this is my opinion as wellI like an attitude but you have to back it up
>>145751565tons of the rikishi have these, I've been wondering what they wereI was assuming giant tentacle rape, knowing Japan
>>145752884>.............ah.
>>145745788who tf is this
>>145753782The estimable Aoiyama, master of the hatakikomi
>>145753799THATS AOIYAMA? I didn't fucking recognize him without the massive floppy soft tiddies. The mole in the center of his eyebrow was really grinding my gears cause I couldn't quite place a name. Damn.
Name my band.
>>145753924Run Over Toads
>stare down opponent for 30 seconds>matta without even touching one hand onto the dohyo
Nobehara got bounced out pretty quickly, don't look good for his prospects in January
>>145752738i'm mirin' like a motherfucker
Natsu 2005 Day 9: Ross
>>145754125
>>145754179>chiyonofuji assI'm pretty sure that's Wakanohana.
>>145745561His family owns a small winery in the Kakheti region and he's part owner of the label he made specifically to import to Japan
This chinless fuck has a sumo watching gf and you have nothing
>>145754200Just checked, fuck it is. I'm going to commit seppuku for dishonoring the both of them.
>>145754219He probably was just going to go back to Georgia had he not knocked up his Japanese mistress.
>>145754308the proportions of everybody in this picture are off
>>145754172gyoji got the call wrong, aminishki's head touched first
All Miyagi needs for juryo is one more win at Ms2.
Honestly makushita-joi this basho has been very interesting. So many of them are on the brink of juryo with 3-3 or similar scores.
0-11 and counting!
Aonishiki might be a pulldown magnet, he almost lost that to Chiyomaru.
>Oshoumi kyujoOwari da...
>>145754419theres not too many low scores at the bottom of juryo other than chiyomaru and onosho so far, promotions might be hard to come by
>>145754459That's what makes it quite the interesting makushita joi which is why I've tuned into each one to watch the bouts.Chiyomaru and Onosho are fucked, but I could also see Kotoeiho and Wakaikari being sent back judging from their bouts this basho without some great sumo from both of them.
Good recovery from Nabatame, was worried for a moment tho
>Nabatame now has the same record as Aonishiki at 7-4
who wrote Wakaikari is a fraud? lol
>Oshoumi fusen
Kayo is fusion of Gagamaru and Toyonoshima
>topknot grab
get fucked tohakyryu, second hansoku this basho LMAO, what an idiot
Shishi status: OUTSMARTED
Ukie status? Conquered, broken,
manlet bros???
>I'll try pulling back that's a good trick
>>145751595Apologize to the gonorilla
Very funny Abema... very funny...
>>145755020Yeah abema did another wave of copyrights
>It's an Ura flying through the air episodelove those
DOUBLE MONO II
LMAO double torinaoshi
>>145755108DOUBLE TORINAOSHI
KINO! KINO! Match of the day!
UUURAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>145755105Helluvah show.
Amazing bouts
HE FUCKING TEABAGGED BM BM BM BAN THAT FUCKER
That was awesomeThey should do 2 out 3 every time
>>145755020>>145755035Good stuff. Been reporting these streams whenever I come across them, nice to see them taking some action.
Nicely done for Ura.
I turned it on just in time to catch the triple match kinofest
>>145755129You're such a huge fucking faggot. Or a regular brit. Same thing. Wish the IRA would blow up more of you cunts.
onosACKtoCan't wait for his downfall from here. You just know he's an arrogant prick
Oho bros, ropes at the ready
>>145755162At least shodai lost. Fuck shodai.
Plan bros?
>>145749715>IshiuraI miss this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe
LOLELMAO, EVEN
This fight mind broke onosACKto
AHAHAHAHAHAONOSUCKO
Onosato is done and should just retire
Onosato's stablemates going to sore tomorrow
Onosato has like no defensive skills. Shocking how out of it he seems when "just move forward" didn't work.
What a fucking joke.
Neph is going to win this basho for sure.
neph is on fire, nice saves
>>145755298>>145755299But everyone here said Hosh was shit and a fraud?
>>145755303Not sure what happened to him but this is the strongest and best he's been all year.
>>145755303There isn't a single rikishi about whom that hasn't been said.
>>145755303its 4chan, ppl will shittalk everyone, sooner or later
>>145755318I never shittalk MY favorites sweaty
Hasn’t takanosho beat the shit out of hoshoryu in their meetings
>>145755337No.
>>145755348Still a lot of good competition idky you fags are riding hosh’s dick now /sumo/ should be renamed to dick ridding general /DG/
Rooting for Kotozakura yusho
>Takerufuji vs Onosato tomorrowofc the only day when I am 100% unable to watch live, unlucky
>>145755395He’s looked the strongest to me
TAkerufuji being lifted from almost bottom of the banzuke to fight in the musubi no ichiban
>>145710326I clicked the thread‘s thumbnail out of curiosity and goddamn that’s a powerful looking man.
>>145755595He was very powerful in his prime. Made it to the second highest rank of the sport and won an Emperor's Cup.
>>145755660If only Shishi could figure out how to attain that power.
>>145755698shishi is kinda retardedhe has the power, but not the brain
Yokozuna Kitanofuji is dead at 82. Press F to pay respects.
>>145756486damn, RIP
>>145756486Signs were on the wall on these last two years. RIP
>>145756486 I'll be missing youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZshGFzj3K8
>>145756486Lasted longer than most
>>145757132He tied Tochinoumi, dying at 82. That’s as long as any yokozuna has lasted.
>>145755698shishi is a low iq blobman not a mid iq powerman
>>145747477>>145747533And I was right
Both Hoshoryu and Kotozakura facing each other on senshuraku with 13-1 would be kino
>>145757196>He tied Tochinoumi, dying at 82. That’s as long as any yokozuna has lasted.You're forgetting Umegatani I.
takerufuji vs onosato on day 12battle of the two monsters who only know how to move forward and don't know what the fuck to do when they're pushed back against the wall
>wakatakakaka 2-4 vs abitchFucking hell waka, pull one out for the good guys please
>>145757453it better be absolute kino
say something nice about your next emperor's cup winner
>>145757196Wakanohana I died at 82 as well, but when it comes to months, Tochinoumi died not even 2 months before 83.
>>145757623>>145757450
>>145757557the nobu dog is very cute
>>14575765382 seems to be the absolute limit for yokozunas
Watching the Japanese feed and it's funny how the commentators were completely not paying attention for Tamawashi-Mitakeumi. Like they didn't even jump early, everyone was ready except the commentators.
Unless Takakeisho has managed to beat the killer mentality to Takanoshos head he will lose like he has before
>>145757706you're forgetting Gigamadafaka, the 8'7" yokozuna who lived for 250 years in the 14th century
>>145757715NHK or Abema?
>Onosato is washed up>Nephew looks like the bastard gay love child of Asashoryu and Harumafuji>Zack just looks clean and powerful>Takanosho is doing the brand of sumo Onosato should've been doing all along>Takerufuji and Gonoyama kissedAnd has there ever been two rematches in a single bout before? That Ura v Hiradoumi fight was wild.
>>145757731NHK, Natto's highlights.
>>145757720For whatever else the historic texts claim, they have never really attributed long lives to rikishi. A wrestler dying age 40 seems to have been fairly unremarkable to the writers.
>>145710326Will Kirishima KK? Looks like he will dodge the ozeki because of Takanosho and Onokatsu lmao. Lucky bastard.
>>145758024Was this his plan all along???
>>145758059
>>145755660I miss Chiyonokuni.At least Hiradoumi has inherited that dawg from him.I like to think of that kind of wrestler as a brawler.
>Enho in the corner
>0-12Ihurt myself todayto see if I still feel
