Surprise Edition>2024 PHB Scanhttps://files.catbox.moe/g8oo9h.pdf>Cropped and rotated, but more artifactyMjAyNCBQSEIsIE5vIFRodW1icywgT0NSZWQsIEFub24ncyBCb29rbWFya3MgdHJhbnNmZXJyZWQgb3Zlci4gCgpodHRwczovL2Vhc3l1cGxvYWQuaW8vd2Fvcm9h>2024 DMGhttps://files.catbox.moe/fd04pq.pdf>2024 Monster Manualhttps://files.catbox.moe/atd38s.pdf (D&D beyond version)https://pomf2.lain.la/f/1en5qwum.pdf (scan)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97237209Its a fun novelty but remember that invisible things can still be ttargeted.The idea dies the moment an aoe spell hits the imp
>>97237261Just to name a fewMonster Manuals>Tome of Beasts series>Monster Manual Expanded series>Flee MortalsAdventures>Odyssey of the Dragonlords>Dungeons of DrakkenheimRules>Armorer's handbook - upgradeable weapons and armor>Valda's Spire of Secrets - new classes, subclasses etcComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Do you think Vecna ever had buttsex with Acererak while he was teaching him?
>>97237309Asscrack
>>97237260>Sacred Flame has a Vocal component so regardless of casting it from your invisible imp's space, an audible sound is going to project from that space so you'll be found eventuallySo it will still produce sound at the point, not where I am physically standing?>>97237282Yeah this is why I meant the question for sacred flame, as it has no point of origin as opposed to eldritch blast.
Moloch's Fun Park Edition>What is Trench Crusade?An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu.>What Trench Crusade is notTC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, history that didn't occur in the game, culture war shit, or discord bullshit on /tg/. Keep it on topic.>What's the QRD on the background?The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.>How do I get started?All the files are free online:https://www.trenchcrusade.com/rules/Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97236276Oh, sorry. Didn’t know you were a thief and a scumbag.
So why did God choose Argos specifically?
>>97236789>gets upset at piracySorry, faggot, reddit is the other way.
>>97236853Argos has historically been a word defined and used by the Church to mean laziness, slow, and idleness in duties you should perform for God (worship, charity, etc). So the City of Argos can be translated as "(Performing) No Good for God" in Christian context. Maybe it succumb to Sloth worship in some manner and was wiped out for it? They must've posed a unique threat for God to have taken action personally, something potentially that violated his plan.
>>97190110>Finally got my pre order from the summer from onlygames that were meant to arrive in september>it's missing literally half my minis and another one has a missing part that didnt even snap off, they just shipped a mini without a featureGenuinely quite dissapointed, it's been a shitshow from start to finish and now it will drag out even furtherMerry christmas i guess
Deck the boards with solos burningWhile the poles and leafsScream REE REE REETis the seasons to be follyAll AffO freaks go 'wege 'wege 'wegeOP dons his gay apparelLacerda, Knizia hand in handTroll /bgg/ threads we feel compelledFucking birds and FIRST, my (you)s sell wellWelcome to the Holiday Edition of the Board Games General!Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97236627I thought first world was the NATO bloc and second world was eastern europe + some soviet-aligned countries
>>97236663You are correct.
>>97236570Names?
>>97237129Stationfall
>>97237129NTA but Race for the Galaxy and Pax Renaissance both come to mind.
Give the princeps the reigns edition>Previous Thread:>>97216117>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPSComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97237198Yeah, the pose is stupid. Both arms are a waste of resin.Other than that, it's 100% an IF Templar. Just look at the details: v collar, tabard, iron halo, etc. I'd would kitbash with it an upscaled Sigismund
>>97237210>WS4 no-attacks contemptor does nothing to WS5 elites>RETARD SAYS "GAME'S NOT ALL ABOUT ELITES MAYBE HE'LL FIGHT TACTICALS">WS4 shitty dreadnought fights WS4 tacticals, still does fuckall and can't even kill the most basic unit in the entire game>BIGGEST FUCKING RETARD ON THE PLANET: "WELL AT LEAST ITS DMG3, IT SHOULD BE KILLING ELITES INSTEAD"You're fucking retarded.
>>97237198The purity seal ruins it for me.
>>97237308"I specifically asked for 'NO ONIONS' on this quarter-pounder and you gave me extra onions! What are you going to do to compensate me for my hardship! "Even for loyalists it's better to just buy the Traitor Champion, the loyalist one looks like such a limp 3" dick basedboy with his fannypack of bayblades, his incorrectly attached belt, his gun he's holding for a friend, his sword he's too weak to lift off the ground so he rests it there, his boyish never-seen-combat face adorned with vegan-friendly-shrubbery, his costco receipt sword-hilt, his 3 buttplugs backpack ornament and massage-balls shoulderpad and his socks-in-sandals shoe ribbing. Also, the pointless hot topic keychain stretched between his two nipple-piercing ornaments because he's been assreamed so many times you need to pull his nipples with two hands of leverage to make him feel anything.
I saw some pictures of old 40k character conversions and I remembered I have some old 40k sw and warriors of chaos and I could make sort of savagae knight black shields useing the mkiv kit.
Mondstille Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97237230>and also because the idea for the unit concept was probably spawned by the similarity between an anellid worm and the stereotypical depiction of a rat tail, so just have a giant rat tail with lots of other weird rat things attached and it keeps looking appropriate despite the weird silhouette without too much of a fussI could be wrong here, but I believe the unit would have come from the various rat hydra/rat "dragon" conversions people have made back in the day, there was one using the body of the wyvern iirc. At least in terms of concept. >the distinctions that are made in whatever work of fiction are purely arbitrary and inconsistent from place to placeIn the same way that all fantasy names are really (lmao wyverns). But in warhammer we have the merWYRM for example, which is clearly a relation to the dragons. >and a breath weapon that's just a torrent of acidI could have sworn it does/did. But I might be confusing it with something else. As for the lack of scales? I assume that like all the various rat heads, its probably a result of whatever process is involved in its creation. Much like the rat tails and limbs and wheels. The design of the creature makes me think that hellpits arent so much "mutated creatures" as essentially a statue of flesh using a giant monster as an original basis. The hellpit is clearly unnatural in its current form, whether its a "worm" or "wyrm" that served as its basis, it would have had very little in common with what the skaven turned it into.
>>97237275>But in warhammer we have the merWYRM for examplewe also have the gladewyrm, but I doubt you'd consider this a dragon
>>97237293and fen wormsthe terms aren't to be taken as scientific indicators
>>97237293Thats AOS so I didnt consider it at all. But frankly I also just dont know what the fuck that is, if you told me its some kind of serpent creature I would believe youIt has a beak(?), teeth, tongue, eyes, clearly some sort of endoskeleton and you could easily say those are scales/armored plates on its back rather than chitin.
>>97237304>But frankly I also just dont know what the fuck that isit's a big spite, essentially; magical shits aren't bound to our autistic concerns for phylogeny and morphological classifications
Which one do you recruit and why?
>>97226577This guy.
>>97227948Only if your Pope is the head of a small group or if it's pretty high level stuff. It would be kino recruiting a Pope for a dire situation mid adventure and then he retires to journey with you.
>>97227812I realize it does come off kind of stream of conscious. To summarize here, in recruiting a church member you intend on being a Cleric, the only real choice is a priest. If you're aiming for someone of a higher rank, it should either be under a dire situation or like an end of campaign recruitment.On the other hand, the friar classes should be for church members that are not using traditional holy magic, so like a church assassin in a particularly edgy church or a church-aligned fighter or monk.
>>97226577God ain't real and all of those are charlatans
>>97237270An unfalsifiable claim. Try better nog.
Work in Progress, Christmas Edition>Full-on /WIP/ OP Links Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/BE42AEcD>WIP Tutorial Images Megahttps://mega.nz/#F!TvQFCaLb!w8WZKCcOsTRasxrI0JWezw>Saint Duncan's "Six Things I Wish I Knew When I Started Painting"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufP8ka3KGno>Saint Duncan also explains thinning your paintshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxWgsqSf74s>Paint thinning 102Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
I'll grab some white spirit to dilute oil paints into an oil wash. Should I get the artist grade ones or anything from a hardware store would work? I can either get 1lt of the stuff, or 75ml for the same price.
New Jersey anon, thank you very much for your thoughtful and coomerful gift. The tea is delightful. Although, I do not know how I will be able to paint up all those tiny goblins. SO many and so tiny except their tits which are enormous. The tea cup and cum jar were very considerate and will find good use.And finally, I have to look into that game of your LGS. The idea of having native tribes fight each other with magic and monsters and shit is quite intriguing.
>>97237284>goblin kissers ittBased beyond belief.
>>97237284>>97237301Joining the shortstack enjoyer gang. Fantastic doll, too, anon. Perhaps you would mind sharing where to get?
>>97237307Not mine, unfortunately. It's apparently from climax doll. I got the image from /ona/ on /jp/ so ask there.
The /btg/ is dead! Long live the /btg/!Now I have a BattleMech too, ho, ho, ho! Special Christmas Edition Previous Thread: >>97217175================================>BattleTech Introductory Guide & PDFshttps://bg.battletech.com/?page_id=400>Overview of the Major Factionshttps://bg.battletech.com/universe/great-houseshttps://bg.battletech.com/universe/the-clanshttps://bg.battletech.com/universe/other-powersComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97235901>tells others to grow up>has to have the last word every timeYou'll forever be branded as the fag who refused a batchall and who wanted to invite someone to your house alone to meet your turkshit guns. You should just accept that this reputation will stick, transheelord. At least then you might mature.
>>97236229>>97236308>>97236388So basic hexes being worth passive income matters to people, good to know.
>>97237138>So basic hexes being worth passive income matters to people, good to know.You don't have to make it anything too powerful or even useful. Maybe something fun, like a player can bring to battle a free unit of infantry, or dudes in a pickup technical truck, even if it does nothing useful and dies to a single mech stomp.
>>97237158I'm thinking more towards value on the strategic scale, which is best done with income.
Are there group tournaments on Solaris, or it's all duels and free for all?
Welcome to /wbg/, the thread for the discussion of in-progress settings for traditional games.Here is where you go to present and develop the details of your worlds such as lore, factions, magic and ecosystems. You can also post maps for your settings, as well as any relevant art. Please remember that dialogue is what keeps the thread alive, so don't be afraid of giving someone feedback or post whatever relevant input you might have, cunt!Last thread: >>96999149Worldbuilding links: Post someFantasy map generator: https://watabou.itch.io/medieval-fantasy-city-generator
>>97165346How would you write interesting gods, well in this case, false gods who took the mantle after the true god left/died/vanished (Anyone who played dominions, you can probably see where this is going)Mages, ancient kings or monsters that have found the means to become a god through magic or other means, some are fine or harmless as they only worship in own little village like a mini cult leader, some maybe even benevolent but most half gone mad or just out right evil (as in cursing entire regions because they felt it was amusing or out of the most pettiest of reasons)So it up for regular joes set off on a impossible quest to slay them, it going to be set in a ancient world so mainly bronze and some iron and rarely steel and cultures being early ancient rome, celts, norse and maybe even some egyptian if things go well. I'm still working on a map mind you lotBut my goal is gods right now, any suggestions or tips, crazier and more bullshitty the better these aren't just 'oh god of thunder that all he does is thunder' I got these little ideas in mind rn that I can't explain but it for a rough example it's type that would throw a spear across a continent and striking you in the chest and curse your whole bloodline for even mentioning you hate him type of god
Any tips on worldbuilding through solo RP?
>>97235295Worldbuilding is a bottomless well. The more you worldbuild, the more you realise how shallow most settings really are. The more you worldbuild, the more you realise that it is a never-ending endeavour because you can always add just one extra detail. This is especially true if you research real cultures, language, and history. Also a warning: have some restraint. It is very easy to begin a never-ending worldbuilding spiral. It feels like work, it is work, but it might serve no purpose.
>>97235295Practice the Iceberg Theory: You should know 90% of the world, but only 10% should ever appear on actual RP. The 90% exists only to give the 10% weight. If you find yourself researching the crop rotation cycles of a province your protagonist will never visit, you’ve likely crossed into the bottom of the iceberg. When you look at real-world history, you realize that nothing exists in a vacuum. A simple choice—like a character eating a bowl of spicy noodles—is actually a web of complexity from agriculture, trade routs, culture, linguistics, sociology, science, history.The very words you use have a backstory. When you use a word like Duke (or Duque), you aren't just using a synonym for "leader"; you are dragging 2,000 years of Roman military history (dux), Latin evolution, and Carolingian feudalism into your fictional world. If your world doesn't have a "Rome," how can it have a "Duke"? You either have to accept that you are translating the story to a modern audience (very easy and common and even recommended solution), made up a backstory for why Dukes coincidentally are called as such in-universe, or invent a whole new title.Once you see these, you can never un-see them and they are EVERYWHERE. Here are a few words that often "break" worldbuilding if you're being strictly logical and don't use "translation" as a device:Draconic law: Named after an Athenian Greek law reformer. Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97235973unless you want to go down the route of deriving words for all of these things/concepts then accepting them as translations for things is far easier
Yu-Gi-Oh! General #591"All i want for Christmas is for Dark Magician Girl to materialize in my bedroom so i can summon her in face down ass up position, have sex with her, and end my turn" EditionPrevious thread: >>97191908Most Yu-Gi-Oh! discussion encouraged. Post OC, write dumb fanfics with bad CaC in them, duel each other, have fun, etc.>Yu-Gi-Oh! Online PlayAutomated Sims:●EDOPro website: https://projectignis.github.io/download.html●EDOPro: https://discord.gg/ygopro-percy●YGO Omega: https://discord.gg/duelistsunite●Dueling Nexus: https://duelingnexus.com/●Master Duel: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1449850/YuGiOh_Master_Duel/Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97236768I don't like the rarity, it has a weird engraving and you can't see the art through a sleeve, just as you said, plus they're thief magnets if your lgs is in a shitty part of town (read: all of jew york).This is why i prefer prismatic secret rares, they look better than normal secrets AND they tend to be cheaper and/or looked down upon because they're "reprint" rarities ie for poorfags, so jamal/pablo won't culturally enrich them.
>>97236634>TQI bought a box of Crossover Breakers, a Dragon Shield plastic deckbox and a bunch of sleeves, with the intention of playing either Maliss or Ryzeal and ended up playing neither of those decks.>TCaCThere's more than a few of these monsters with odd ATK/DEF stats and I'm fairly positive that Konami can retrain these into a control archetype that does stat manipulation OR getting rid of monsters that don't share their weird stats.They'd fit in perfectly with the Illusion typing but I'm afraid that they'd just get piled with Chimera and Hecahands into an Illusion Fusion Slop deck.
>>97236634In a DARK possessed Joey deck that retypes most of the monsters as DARK Pyros (e.g Rocket Destroyer, Gearfried the Searing Knight) or DARK Beast-Warriors (E.G SwordImp of Landstar and Sharkman Fisherman) what type should the evil Gilford be? Physical changes are allowed for the theme. Should he go with the main 2? Have a new type to make him standout as an evil boss? Or should he just be dark warrior? My front runners are Pyro, Zombie, Thunder, and Fiend.
chat what the fuck did he mean by that
>TCaC: Take any normal fusion/ritual monster and base a new archetype around it.Guardian Crab Turtle>[Level 8/Aqua/WATER/Ritual]>[ATK 2850/DEF 3500]You can Ritual Summon this card with any "Turtle" Ritual Spell. If this card is Ritual Summoned: You can add 2 cards that mention "Crab Turtle" from your Deck or GY to your hand. Apply the following effect, based on this card's battle position.● Attack Position: When this card or a monster adjacent to it battles an opponent's monster, inflict piercing battle damage● Defense Position: This card, and any adjacent monsters to it, are unaffected by your opponent's card effects.
>>97171444 >What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dragon Rampant, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, HeroClix,Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, Open Combat, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, SAGA, StarCraft, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void,Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenos Rampant, Xenotactics......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97234384Take a nap, unc
>>97229675>why bother with 1000 cannons if you can just field 1000 wizards?If the logistics happened in a vacuum this would be a functional question but we don't really have that at the same time as not having an actual setting, its just everyone's likely different ideas about how common wizards are. Yes, in a perfect world the army I like would have all the things I want when I want them. Doesn't seem like an interesting game though. I've considered trying to take the perry brother's napoleonic battle in a box and add a few fantastical elements, I think more towards the idea of magic as subterfuge and support oriented warfare. Keeps it involved but mangeable and from being overwhelming or turning into herohammer except everyone has tall hats. A system of cards with battlefield altering abilities that are interesting but don't make things too swingy or radically undermine the interesting aspects of early manoeuvre warffare.
>>97234385I surpremely wish tarrifs hadnt made getting stuff from over there so fucking difficult and expensive, I fell in love with those bunker busters guys. They look so damn good with the fuckoff big guns.
>>97234349>>97234363I vague recall an interview with Northstar employees where one says "when in doubt, release some cultists", so yeah they sell quiet well.
I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on Rumbleslam for a laugh, are Ronnie Salvage and Porcelynn good additions to fill out the starter set? Obviously balance isn't the biggest deal for this game, but I don't want it to be wildly one sided if one of them turns out to be meta.
Have you ever roleplayed a female character?
>>97234702Why are modern gooners so creatively bankrupt? They just take something cool and add porn addict trash to it.
>>97237062in contrast to not being creatively bankrupt and therefore taking something not cool and adding porn to it?
>>97234702incelcannibalis really brought carnage to this board
>>97234702Yes. I make sure to constantly mention my heaving bosom and periods, and I also cry a lot.
>>97234958>>tranimeWhere do you think you are, redditard?
>dwarf speaks>scottish accent
>>97233365Bargen norwegian is good for a dorf
>>97234891Actually the time spent making funny voices is entirely time spent playing the game. I've definitely never tried makinga funny voice outside a game. I don't always do it in games, either, but sometimes it's worth it. The whole part where people discuss things in character is a part of the game, you know? You do know that, don't you? It'd be genuiney a peak no games moment if you didn't know that.
Hope we get sexy Thri-kreen women art in the Dark Sun book.
>>97237224I don't think you have to worry about being invited to games, anon.
>>97237224it's very rarely all or nothing rollplayer-kun
Holiday EditionDiscuss and post elves. Elf lore, gameplay, and art are all appreciated.QOTT: What are some of the best gifts to give elf-lovers? What gifts would you give to lovers of other races/species/ancestries/whatever?
>>97235156Holy shit they're so dumb. There's a chance for someone in my group to be inflicted with Mummy Rot, if it ever gets far enough. I might have to have a convo with my group about actually... interacting with me between sessions, since stuff opens up much wider from here on.
What's the best way to punish an elf criminal?
>>97236221>>97237023This was the only time I had to break character in the campaign in order to keep it going. Frost was down to 9 hp because he was tanking the mummies and Ferris due to his retard self was down to 6 hp and 2 con. Arrianne could've easily killed both of them with Lulu being the only witness. Just weeks before we entered the tomb of Hellriders both Frost and Ferris bullied, harassed and threatened to kill Arrianne in various ways.
>>97237197so you commited to being evil instead and slit frost's throat and watched ferris die to his magic wand induced coughing fit?
>>97230484they're gnomes, bound to Saint Nick by the speaking of their secret names, destined to serve him for eternity.gnomes are a type of elf.
Out on Patrol Edition>What is this?/TG/ DEVELOPED A GAMEIT IS PLAYABLE. IT HAS BEEN PLAYED.EXPEDITION is a ~1880s era, Jules Verne-inspired retro-futurist, underground blood soaked adventurescape.It is a Skirmish wargame. Two players with their own expeditions, on a hexgrid map, explore & fight each other for victory and profit.3 versions of the rules exist, 2 of which have been playtested. The main one is 2e, to be found :>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/us7vnek39dc6k/AgarthaRulesas with maps, tokens and lore resources.>TL;DR Dochttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1LxdaGoBlJRTMuziMDupG5TeeFwNDnsIW2pfaRAcFDgA>Main Lore Doc, including links to anon-written short stories and additional lore in "Recommended..." sectionComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97232032Maharaha's Orders of Royalty seems expensive even with this Leader's relatively high leadership. Reducing both the LP pool and the cost of the ability might be advisable.Do the hero abilities that grant leadership give LP to non-leader units?The Fleshy Hound's Uncontrollable pain rule seems similar to Frenzy. It might be simpler to use a variation of that oneThe Sepoy Officer's Lemurian Armour should probably have Gas Mask. That's a running gag with Lemurian armour from the chart.The Sepoy Trooper could probably have bayonet training since the BAP doesHatred (Structure) on the siege elephant is geniusGiving tigers hide could be hilariously broken but also very thematic. It might be best not to.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97236490>Maharaha's Orders of Royalty seems expensiveWould it be better if the maharaha had 4 Leadership and the ability costed 2 LD? >Dominion over passionsI was thinking of it applying to any unit that did have leadership actions. Regular troops wouldn't benefit.>The Fleshy Hound's Uncontrollable pain rule seems similar to FrenzyI'll check that one.>The Sepoy Officer's Lemurian Armour should probably have Gas MaskSure, I'll add it. Would it also apply to the lemurian sharpshooter, even if it is a heretic?>Sepoy Trooper could probably have bayonet trainingThat's fair. I'll add it.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97236490Also, this reminds me that the "Exotic Spy" needs the "Diplomat" keyword.
deeperwe must go deeper
>>97236490Changes added for now.>Sepoy TrooperIt got "Bayonet Training" trait.>Sepoy OfficerThe "Lemurian Armour" trait also gets the "Gas mask" trait (why is it a trait and not an item?)>Exotic Spy Added the "Diplomat" keyword.Questions:>Lemurian SharpshooterIf the character is a lemurian heretic, how can it work with prophecies? How could we make a trait that counters them?Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
