Death Company Edition>Warhammer Preview Show (includes 40k) Friday 11/22 at 1pm EST / 6pm GMThttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/videos/obs3rpib/join-us-for-the-warhammer-preview-show-world-championships-of-warhammer/>Point changes:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/g5ot1app/warhammer-40000-balance-update-points-changes-are-here-with-the-new-munitorum-field-manual/>Community Links:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000-downloads/>3rd Party Models Pastebin:https://pastebin.com/Q33bkBUh>Torrent:Info hash: d91d8b9daa9c5dc9105fc0ec09812cbc17a752b5>10th Edition Rules:https://gofile<dot>io/d/9LvQTLhttps://mega<dot>nz/folder/Em0Rmb7I#4GR-B7y4cu5nCB5QziXM4A>Tithes Animationshttps://gofile.io/d/GpvGgmhttps://gofile.io/d/3oPbxIhttps://gofile.io/d/T8ffnG>How to make wargames terrainhttps://gofile.io/d/s99zDV>Previous thread:>>94422041 >Thread question:What's your favourite unit in the game?
>>94425087>I'm... I'm gonna... I'm gonna throod. I'm throoooooding.>TQFrom an aesthetic perspective, I like the deathwing, just not the color scheme.
Is it me or are Vanilla marine lists really model-light
out of the loop anon who never played anything but DoW and read some lore and Cains booksI heard alpharius returns - how many primarchs are active right now in 41k?Last time I paid attention there was only Gullieman
>TQsword brethren
Going back and playing older editions of Warhammer, specifically 5th ed but sprinkling a little 7th in.Man, why did GW have to resize all of their stuff so dramatically. I can't shake the feeling I'm doing something "wrong" by playing with the new Sentinel models instead of the older ones. I take what I can get, though.>Don't get me started on Crisis suits and Broadside battlesuits.How do you feel about incorrect model bases or model heights in your games?
>>94425120>I heard alpharius returnsHe has not. His spear showed up in a model teaser yesterday though.>how many primarchs are active right now in 41k?Bobby G and Lion Gayman for the loyalists. Magnus, Morty and Angryron extremely so for chaos (because they have models), as well as Fulgrim getting a few nods over the last few editions (his model will be out in 2025). Perty and Lorgar have been mentioned kinda doing stuff in a few lore snippets.
>>94425142"incorrect" can suck my nuts. For a brief moment GW had the stance that "your models are never obsolete" and it was great. drag out that rogue trader ork, 3rd edition biker, whatever. Now I've gotta rebase a gorillion orks just to get a pickup game.
>>94425142>How do you feel about incorrect model bases or model heights in your games?I think it's fun to have some variety. The rules are all too stupid and trashy to get worked up over a few millimetres in height or width, and seeing more models on the table than just current-product sparks a little bit of joy in me. Manlets and primaris can be part of the same squad for all I care, just as long as all the guns look roughly applicable for the unit's datasheet.
>>94425087>TQThe Kelermorph. It's so cool and I have fond memories of the absolute bullshit the little dude could get up to in 9th ed. Him getting butchered was probably the worst thing about the 10th ed index, but at least he's gotten back a little bit of his old glory.
>>94425163I see, thanks>He has not. His spear showed up in a model teaser yesterday though.got baited by shitty clickbait thumbnail, should've known better>Lion oh he came out of woodwork? lol cheers again, weird fucking setting, see ya in another 5+ years
>>94425163>His spear showed up in a model teaser yesterday though.we don't actually know if it's his spear honestly, it might be a new CSM token HQ model for the Harrowmaster guy, it could also just be a token DE model though or some side game shit
>TQnurglings
>>94425087>TQTerminators of all kinds are my jam
>>94425277jesus christ anon disable the ai enhancements on your camera, this looks so fucking weird
This novel goes into preorder this coming Saturday. Any expectations for it?
>>94425142The old ones look better to my eye too. Maybe it's nostalgia and "new thing bad" but I think the new ones look too round and sleek. That's an issue with the rogal dorn compared to the leman Russ too. The old ones look rough and somewhat crude.
>>94425344I dunno ask /hhg/
Thoughts?
Got a base for my baseless outrider chaplain.
>>94425344Too many female characters to be worth my time.
>>94425344Too little sexy female characters to be worth my time
>>94425382What did you use to create this?Got a blank template saved somewhere?
>>94425087>TQIncubi. Always Incubi.
Thoughts on the mystery niggas?
>>94425087>TQI think squighogs are really neat
>>94425445There are many secrets but there are no mysteries.
>>94425445Unless they intend to bring Clone Fulgrim out as a loyalist and he becomes their primarch i think they should 100% keep the mystery a mystery. The answer is never as fun as the theories. Like the Flesh Eater Court Bretonnians deal in AoS used to be. Just fucking leave it. Unless they are literally made the army for a loyalist fulgrim clone leave it and never ever explain it. Theres no other reason to dispel the mystery.
>>94425087>TQit's based purely on aesthetics because I don't play tabletop but I really love tech priests
>>94425087Heavy intercessors.
>>94425484clone fulgrim is never going to be a thing no matter how much (you) try to force it into realityit's literally one shitty story that ends with him being stuck in the eternity prison for gays to never have anything happen again
>tqLegionaries babyyy
>>94425087>TQPossessed. Love em, even if they are monopose
>>94425515>clone fulgrim is never going to be a thing no matter how much (you) try to force it into realityJust like darkmech or exodites.
>>94425535>>94425516These + bikers
>>94425087>tqDrop pods, but they are pure trash this edition. Especially when they made it so you can't charge when deploying from one.
>>94425552darkmech actually have a vector for entering the setting as much as you like to copeexodites are pure delusion
>TQNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>94425515I dont want it im just saying theres no other reason to reveal if they are emperors children thats as good or better than the ambiguity.
>>94425553and obliterators
>>94425445So why doesn't GW supports these more when you have people selling decal sheets and shit on etsy? clearly theres a market for these guys are more than some characaradon tier meme chapter.
>>94425560>darkmech actually have a vector for entering the settingSo does Clone grim.>exodites are pure delusionAgreed.
>>94425445Just a coincidence, look no further into it>Blessed is the mind too small for doubt
>>94425560exodites had rules for their signature unit in an eldar codex and can do so again, just like corsairs got added
>>94425584>when you have people selling decal sheets and shit on etsy>its truehuh. well i'd take them other the forced meme that is the tome keepers.
>>94425382They'd be an annoying unit to push off of side objectives since they have stealth and a lot of wounds for a stealthy unit.Otherwise they're basically just more expensive (and slightly better) legionaries.I'd either shoot them off with Blast weapons or hammer them with Jump Intercessors+Captain.I don't really like either option since it means using more expensive units to kill cheaper ones but I guess that's the nature of my army.Either that or I just ignore them and try to kill parts of your army that can do more serious damage. Terminators, Chosen, and Tanks are all bigger threats.
>>94425593Thanks anon. Sounds like I need wyches, wracks and their HQs and some more boats next
>>94425445The only cool/memorable design from the primaris founding and its really just candles.
>>94425586>So does Clone grim.no, he doesn't
>Reliable leaker says GW are workshopping Legion of the Damned.NO. FUCKING LEAVE IT ALONE. DON'T CURRENT YEAR TACTICOOL FUCKING GHOSTS.
>>94425445No matter what anyone says they are 100% made from EC geneseed.Will it ever amount to anything? No most likely.
>>94425445literally no mystery about these guys
>>94425629Yes, he does.
>>94425641Alright Fabius calm down.
>>94425634It wont be tacticool ghosts.
>>94425568New oblits looks like shit but at least there's better third party sculpts
>>94425634>>Reliable leakerYou're meant to name the source, not leave the placeholder
>>94425660Well go on, post them.
>>94425445What's the mystery?
>>94425654Brother i wish i still had your faith in GW's attempts to make Space Marines anything other than bait for the Halo audience i really do.
>>94425677why they taste like cinnamon toast crunch
>>94425634Added to the grey knights codex, I hope
>>94425677>Listed as Imperial Fists successor>Entirely Primaris with no veterans>Only Cawl had a hand in the gene seed selection>Prideful>Martial Mastery fetishists>A little faggy>THEY ARE CALLED SONS OF THE PHOENIX S-surely Rogal Dorns truest sons! Just ignore the smell of hairspray and penchant for silk capes.
>>94425634We're gonna get Headless Ferrus leading the legion.I hope they're a 3 inch deepstrike unit to replace Inceptors instead of another divergent chapter.
>>94425680Primaris aren't tacticool.Only phobos is, and they are dogshit, work on your bait.
>>94425690All LotD should have ever been is a single unit of regular space marines with a really low save but they vanish after 2 turns and only can come out of reserves if you are losing.
>>94425445Your heart's desire is to be told some mystery. The mystery is that there is no mystery.
>>94425699>I hope they're a 3 inch deepstrike unit to replace Inceptors instead of another divergent chapter.We all know that Legion of the Damned are going to be their own army. (If they are even real, anon could just be making up shit to stir up drama)At best they might have souping rules with other marine armies, but I wouldn't hold my breath for that.
>>94425634I could see them being a unit that's a lot like The Sanguinor- you keep them in reserves and when your opponent charges one of your units, the Sanguinor deploys engaged with that charging unit, and he has Fights First to spoil the charge.Presumably LotD would be another "Saviors out of nowhere" type unit. Having them in reserve might make your opponent not even want to commit to charging with infantry.
>>94425695>>PridefulFists.>Martial Mastery fetishists>A little faggyWrong. Their thing is being religious, like Black Templars, another Imperial Fist successor. >But dey got purple>But muh Phoenix Guilliman was the one who did the Ultima founding, why would he take try dropping inane hints as to them actually being Emperor's Childern?
>>94425634>>Reliable leaker says GW are workshopping Legion of the Damned.>Imperial Daemons before Chaos Daemons
>>94425750>He thinks the legion of the damned aren't demons!
>>94425673I like these ones but I'm sure you'll just poo poo and call them slop or whatever.
>>94425753please its been 20 years not this thread again...
>>94425706>regular space marinesBut I don't like that approach, otherwise grey knights too and plenty of other "outside supports" should be rolled in the generic marine codex when there's so many of them that they can, should (and partially do) fit all in one separate supplementespecially because it wouldn't be just other marines who would receive support from these units, but other imperial armies too, and it's just ugly to repeat the unit in all of those armies
>>94425634Yeah I'm thinking we're back
>browse wip>everyone is a paint god>embarrassed with my contrast and base wash highlight slop, I don't post anything and leave
>>94425757
>>94425586>>94425647nopethe sons of the phoenix shit has already been deboonked by james, the clonegrim shit was literally just written to sell more fulgrim HH books with him as LE TRAGIC UNWILLING EVILMAN
>>94425695>>94425733Per Maxime he wanted them to be a pious chapter, not purple Ultramarines like loyalist EC. >The idea is that this chapter is an entirely Primaris force, successor to the Imperial Fist and therefore directly affiliated with the holy Terra. They are commanded by Chaplains, perpetuating a long tradition of rituals and prayers.>They are followed in their crusades by many non-Astartes contingents such as Priests of the Ministorum, the Imperial Guard, militias of fanatics, pilgrims, Tech-priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus and even warriors of the Adeptus Custodes.https://leskouzes.blogspot.com/2017/10/son-of-phoenix.html?m=1
Dark Eldar refresh soon. I can feel it.
>>94425600corsairs are a single KT box you mongoloidexodites never had non-epic scale modelsexodites will never have modern models
>>94425753They are either psychic creations of the Emperor or loyalist warp entities that formed from His worship.What difference does it make?
>>94425733I mean let's be real, if Gorillaman knew any prohibited geneseed was used HE most definitely wouldn't give them a wink wink nudge nudge name that a 10yo could intuit the true meaning of.....but GW definitely would.
>>94425690Why would they? LotD was always space marine unit.>>94425706They were tactical squad with 3++ who always deep striked, ignored covers with shooting, ignored morale and had no penalties for moving and shooting heavy waepons.Outside 3++ they were nothing special.
>>94425660irontard spotted
>>94425779Legion of the Damned, Grey Knights, Deathwatch and Inquisitors should be a single special unit in any imperium army and not their own armies. There i said it.
>>94425787No one started as a painting God, brother. You have to work at it and constantly try to improve to reach that level.
>>94425796They are interesting enough to have their own supplement. Like give them 40k flagellants as a loyalist version of chaos cultists and rules for having a sisters of battle unit for flavor or something.
>>94425779>>94425814you fucking ass faggots got what you wanted with agents now SHUT THE FUCK UP
What is the current Eldar meta?
>>94425836uh oh exoditefag melty
>>94425818Unrelated, but I once knew a painting savant who just picked up a brush one day and made capital A level Art. But he was also severely autistic, needed parental supervision just to be in public, and had the mental age of maybe a 9-10 year old. They didn't play, they just liked painting and sci fi monsters and collected Tyranids
>>94425812Nah I'm a Word Bearer enjoyer I just don't like how oblits don't look like terminators and just wear diapers.
>>94425818I get that, just right now I have a shitload of minis to paint so it's more about quantity over quality atm (it's a horde army) so I haven't been trying to get better as of late, just trying to be more efficient. I do plan on trying out different techniques once I get enough if these minis done
>>94425850Save your autism for Kill Team where you paint ten models take a week to do it.
>>94425733>Wrong. Their thing is being religiousWhich is pretty much the same as the EC during the Great Crusade who were fervent believers of the Imperial Truth and spread it far and wide, who had their own followers following them around. And both make a big spectacle of their battles.
>>94425856Probably be perfect timing as I'm still waiting for the fucking tankbusta pre orders
>>94425836nope, plenty of things that should be in the imperial agents book weren't included and the rules to field the imperial agents are a mess.
look at these Salamander successors dude
>>94425757I mean it's alright, it's to your taste. They just look too greebled. I appreciate how it's going for an Akira type fusion. It just looks like a pain in the ass to paint.
>>94425862>fervent believers of the Imperial Truthoxymoronic
>>94425796>i will neither confirm or deny if they are EC *winkyface*That more or less shows he is 100% aware of what they look like and what kind of feel they give off.He did everything intentionally.You don't just "accidentaly" create an entire loyalist marine chapter whose main colors are white, purple and gold (pre-heresy EC colorscheme) and then make them into fervent believers of the imperial religion just like the EC were with the Imperial Truth pre-heresy, while then going out of your way to name them "Sons of the Phoenix", which is specifically title that refers to Fulgrim.While also the chapter logo looks like its a variation/an off-shoot of the EC legion symbol with the whole helmet surrounded by a wing motif.
>>94425872Looks slick. I like it.
>>94425445>SotP: "Heretic scum of the disgraced 3rd legion, prepare to meet your stylish doom at the hands of the sons of Dorn!">EC: [dying from laughter]>SotP: "What's so funny?">EC: "You're not Imperial Fists' successors. You're-">SotP: "SILENCE YOU UNFABULOUS FILTH! Of course we are Imperial Fists! That is why we were given the colors of two of the other glorious chapters of our father, Rogal Dorn: the Soul Drinkers and White Templars.">EC: [Laugh so hard they all ascent to demonhood ]
>>94425876Welcome to 40k.
So you actually follow any meta or do you just buy shit you think looks cool and make it work in a janky way.
>>94425862>Which is pretty much the same as the EC during the Great CrusadeWrong, they were smarmy assholes who people disliked, and fervent only in their desire for personal gratification.
>>94425872Needs more teal
>Geting magnets and a Rogal Dorn delivered today>Hitting 2k points and now able to transport models that previously didn't fit my carry baggieYeah, I think it's gaming time lad's>inb4 "post models"I'm like half asleep rn I'll take a fucking picture at my LGS
>>94425898>desire for personal gratification.that's during their downfallthey were literally so devoted to the emperor and favored by him that he gave them exclusive use of the aquila
>>94425757Looks more like nurgle obliterators.If you want to use them for that, sure, but they don't fit other legions.
>>9442589630k isn't 40kstop being retarded
>>94425906Imperial Truth was just the Emperor's secular version of religion.But you already know this, I know what you're doing.Be smarter with your bait.
>>94425897Half and halfI like to build an army that has useful shit in it and a few things that are still somewhat useful but fun. I try avoid anything that is pure garbage however, generally models that don't look great and are also terrible
what will happen if i show up with 3x deathwing knights
>>94425902Don't post models
>>94425904>that's during their downfallThey were falling down since their beginning, they're who origin is tainted.>they were literally so devoted to the emperor and favored by him that he gave them exclusive use of the aquilaHe let them use the aquilla after they came to his aid in ONE action, and all that ultimately accomplished was to stroke their ego further.
>>94425913>secular version of religion.>>94425876
>>94425872Vulkan sure got the short end of the stick when it comes to his primaris chapters.
>>94425560>exodites are pure delusionThere have been codex rules for 100% Exodite armies in mainline Warhammer 40k, have there ever been rules for a 100% dark mechanicus force with zero space marines or cultists?
>>94425872Chapter icon sucks, looks like the icon of an e-reader app
>>94425939You think that's bad, Ferrus Manus would lose his head if he saw his.
>>94425939Come to think of it, how come we don't have more aquatic chapters?
>>94425943YOU MEAN ROGUE TRADER ERA EXODITES!?FUCKYOUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>94425929>lorelet retardYep, it's US time.
>>94425634>DON'T CURRENT YEAR TACTICOOL FUCKING GHOSTS.Uh bwo it's a little too late for that, the fucking Sanguinor somehow crossed the Rubicon and apparently also became a heavy fat ass as a result since now he needs a Primaris(TM) grav chute to stay aloft, too much Cawl-Fried-Chicken means he can't fly with just his own wings anymore
How many rogue traders are there at any one time?
>>94425969At least 2
>>94425956>YOU MEAN ROGUE TRADER ERA EXODITES!?no, they had codex rules to run an entire army of exodites (not in Epic, in mainline 40k) long after Rogue Trader.The fact you don't know this and are so confidently incorrect is kind of embarrassing
>>94425959>somehowIt makes perfect sense.If the Sanguinor is just Brother Clark Kent then of course he'd now be Primaris.If he's a psychic projection of the Blood Angels then of course he'd now be Primaris.If he's some sort of daemonic entity then of course he should be able to change his shape.
>>94425955Would make the most sense if they are based on water worlds.And in general water worlds aren't super common in 40k.There's like 2 places I can remember that mentions water worlds and it is:1. Tyran Prime, which was the first confirmed Imperial planet that came into contact with tyranids, it's where they got their name too.2. The under water hivecities mentioned in the background fluff for the Sons of Malice.
>>94425955Because there are no rules for water combat and space superiority largely rpekac s the need for naval actions. There are some accounts of the Emperor's Children waging war be with the waves though, I think.
>>94425955Most model ranges in 40k are clearly not equipped for subaquatic fighting.
>>94425943you're so delusional it's hilariousyou never had models and you never willcope and seethe all you want
>>94425990There's some instances of Orks launching amphibious assaults in the 3rd Armageddon war.
>>94425445>>94425484>>94425636>>94425641>>94425695There is no mystery, the author literally said that it genuinely was a coincidence and that he fully intended them to be a religious crusading chapter like the Black Templars using colors that aren’t too common amongst loyalist palettes.
Dark Eldar squated soon, I can feel it.
>>94426022Don't bother, they think they're clever for associating purple with phoenix.
>>94426000I don't think they'll be a mainline faction anytime soon (but I also wouldn't have thought GSC would be one and was pleasantly surprised), but you're nuts if you seriously think it's impossible for GW to throw out a Kill Team of jungle elves at some point in the next decade. Hell, they might even be as lazy as they did with Hand of the Archon and literally just release an "exodite" Kill Team that's just an upgrade sprue with dinosaur bone accessories and fur costs for Rangers.
>>94425934It had crusade, not-priests, not holly texts, and it required you to follow it without question and to venerate Emperor who totally wasn't a god. Everyone who denied imperial truth was killed and his temples and books burned.Imperial Truth was religion of reddit atheist in universe where gods are real.This is also why it didn't survived, because it's hard to be atheist when your nightmares given flesh try to kill you while raping all known laws of reality.
>>94426000>you never had modelsNeither did half the Tyranid codex before Chapterhouse, I'll take having rules and needing to make /my dudes/ over having out of production resin models but not even being allowed to bring shit because it's all either Legend'd or straight up squatted.If they brought back custom Tyranid biomorphs but didn't make new models for them I'd fucking love that
>>94426025We can only hope
>>94426022>>94426038Right so dude made chapter with simlar traits to EC, gave them name that scream EC, colour and symbol simlar to EC, but then decided they are just priests.1 thing is coincidence, 2 is suspicious 3 is a pattern.
What would a deep sea tyranid biomorph look like? Would a harridan be an easy switch into creating an underwater morph?
>>94426072Basking sharks, probably.
>>94426072use the tentacle mouth heads for Genestealers and lictors and add fins and more tentacles
>>94426069>simlar traits to ECWrong.>name that scream ECIt's barely related. >colour and symbol simlar to ECThe colours are explained, and the symbol is not even close to the EC.
>>94426022See >>94425889 .
>>944260726 limbs, nid like head. Fins on some limbs, maybe with talons to use as means of locomotion and weapon at the same time. Do it with gaunts, warriors, lictors and carnifexes.
How can you defend a non-important Imperial planet against the enemies? Armageddon, Macragge and Cadia are important places, attacked by the most powerful foes, and defended by huge imperial presences.Meanwhile Prefectia and Agrellan were relatively minor planets, who fell to a relatively small but determined incursion, and were defended by the Standard Imperial Response (the High Lords are too busy elsewhere).>TL;DR: What it /your dudes'/ defense plan?>If they are fleet based, how do they react to an enemy fleet? How would they solve their vulnerabilities when resupplying? And where would they run to, if needed?
>>94426072Mantis shrimp, sea horses, and sting rays.
>>94425812>only iron warriors players hate a model that combines aspects of two already skubby designs (centurions and the DV helbrute with the toes) and adds yet more questionable details like power diapers and a bizarrely low quantity of guns
My facebook marketplace order finally arrived. £65+ shipping.Time to give these lads a home
>>94426128New Cadia 7 would do what it's always done, hunker down and fight off enemies of the imperium to the last manThe Baja Breachers are already dealing with shit so it'd be just another chore on the checklist
>>94426072
>>94425990I remember there was a rule that explicitly stated that the chimera was amphibious.
>>94426072Non-standard bodyplans like spores and the tyrannocyte
>>94426072>>94426148
why is everyone running vindicators now?
>>94426166you can point it at nearly anything in the game and kill it/get pretty dang close
>>94426166They're good. Tough and strong.
>>94426166d6+3 strength 14 AP-3 d6 damage shotsIronstorm (second best detachment) can give them lethal + sustained hits, BS2+ and crits on 5+If you're willing to spend the CP, you can have a Vindicator point at something and it dies
>>94426025Ignored by GW for many years and then getting a whole brand new exclusive model line? Didn't they already do that once?
What is the most fucked up planet you can come up with? I mean something that makes Armageddon, Catachan, Eidolon and Vigilus look like Pleasure Worlds (from the viewpoint of the nobles) by comparison, yet for whatever reason it can't be exterminatus'd.
>>94426095>name that scream EC>It's barely related.Who do you think the Phoenix is?
>>94426228>What is the most fucked up planet you can come up with?Earth
>>94426228Crone Worlds Chaos AND Eldar live there. S'Fucked up.
>>94426228Literally any daemon world. Daemons set rules there, reality is fucked. There was one where daemons were boiling eldar souls in river of tears.You can't exterminatus it because laws of physics are fucked there.
>>94426220These deldar are gingers, so why are they afraid of slaanesh?
Are the new HH plastics the closest thing to the same scale as the older space marine heroes?
>>94426254yes, they are pretty close
>>94426166i like them because of this
>>94426254No.These are shorter, they only appear same height because everyone has 4mm from the mini scenic bases.
>>94426245One of the worlds in the list IS a daemon world. Specifically the one where that belongs to all 4 chaos gods, which probably means that it's in a constant state of war.
>>94426275You just can't go worse than daemon world. Reality is fucked there.
>>94426254https://taleofpainters.com/2022/05/scale-comparison-mkvi-horus-heresy-space-marine-legionaries/
>>94425872>>94425939Just a reminder that Salamanders geneseed causes them to permanently become #0000 black and have their eyes turn glowing red, it’s literally impossible to pretend to be a son of Vulkan.
>>94426297It only happens due to Nocturne's background radiation.As long as they never visit Nocturne they'll look normal.
>>94426297No, it causes both their melanochrome to be overactive and their body to never dispose of the added melanin.Any non-RG marine exposed to a moderate-high level of radiation, such as Nocturne's, will become pitch black. But their skin would go back to normal once the exposure ceased. Not Salamanders.Their melanochromes are Permanent Marker.As for their granite skin and especially their fiery weed eyes, those would be way harder to fake than just being black.
>>94426128Big, shielded, orbital guns.Invaders cannot live off the land if they don't get to actually land where the resources are lmao (it's a desert planet).Sieges rely on time, but for planetary sieges, time is on the defender's side
>>94426297Not quite, they get darker from radiation like rest fo the marines, just they don't return to normal skin colour because of gene-seed flaw. Because Nocturne is fucking radioactive shithole they are permanently radiation tanned.You absolutley can pretend to be or not to be a son of vulkan, just don't live on radioactive planets. There was BA sucessor with Red Thirst and Black Rage and all who themselves thought they were Ultramarines. If BA chapter could be mistaken even by themselves for UM then there is no problem pretending to be Salamanders.
>>94425955Because it's stupidly niche and doesn't translate to any other environment
>Want to paint like fuck but I have a ton of chores and shit I gotta do firstFUCK
>>94426371>Want to paint like fuckYou mean a whole lot of setup and preamble and money only to be done super quickly and make a huge mess?
>>94426228>for whatever reason it can't be exterminatus'd.There is no fucked planet. Venus' surface temperature can melt lead, and yet its upper atmosphere is liveable.I hear the Mechanicum capped Io's radioactive volcanoes, turned them into magma-powered forgefane.Ganymede had the events of Doom happen there, turning its very soil into warp-accursed ground. Said it was "lost to the Imperium forever and had become the eternal habitation of abomination".Then the Grey Knights cleansed it so it could become an office world. Vast horizons of cubicle space cover it and its underground.I choose to believe it is STILL haunted, it's just that there's far too many office clerks to haunt at the same time.It is basically an Ikea that also follows Backroom and Minecraft monster spawn rules. So, a regular Ikea.
>>94425955Because 40k doesn't have anything set on water-only planets or nebulas. Theoretically there can be a DAoT artifact or remnant group inside one but it's so corner-case that none had any major role.
>>94426371You need to be 18 to post here
>>94426228The planet is sentient and hates people.
>>94426345Volkus is cheating those fucking guns aren't anti-air they're goddamn anti-moon
>>94426371>waste time crying into the void instead of just doing what needs to be done like a functional human being
>>94426412Even if it was a waterworld, humans would still confine themselves into dry habitats, be they floating or hermetically submerged. That's just "Wet Zones Mortalis".Tread with caution lmao
>>94425163>His spear showed up in a model teaser yesterday thoughNo it didn't
>>94426345>fires once>everyone in a mile radius is dead
>>94426420>30 year old NEET in his mom's basement thinks all chores and home responsibilities end at 18
>>94426357>doesn't translate to any other environmentWhat are you talking about? It translates exceptionally well to moving in space. NASA has astronauts undergo training inside massive pools of water to learn how to move. Any chapter that could fight well underwater could fight well in 0g.
>>94426128When I run 40k RPG the plan generally is>MASSIVE gun>Gun is big enough to blow up Nids really reliably>Orks are done>Invading force (if horde) drops a lot of people down but a few stragglers survive and need to be intercepted by guards/sisters/marines>Elite armies like Eldar/Deldar/Tau infiltrate and sneak in>They get a staging ground going>Ground fights to blow up/turn off the big gun>If the big gun explodes, the rest of the Eldar/Deldar/Tau/Nids/Orks can invade as they please >The big gun's defense is all the Imperium focuses on
>>94426420i've been running 10 hour shifts and I've been waking up at like 5:20 am, leaving at 6, getting into work for 7am, leaving at 5pm and getting back at 6. Then I've got to cook food, clean the house, wash clothes, make sure bills are paid, take out the trash, all that kind of shit. Some days I only have like 1 hour or so to myself
>>94426449Every space marine can function in space just fine that's not a niche, that's like saying this chapter specializes in using bolters. Any specialized ocean equipment wouldn't work in space
>>94426445GW isn't super consistent when it comes to models based on art.Go look at the fafnirr ran model and then compare it to his art.
>>94426446that is canonically what happens lmao
>>94426412What abut long lost underwater worlds?
>>94426424I suppose city-sized orbital defenses can cover Mid Earth Orbit, while missile banks are the equivalent of point defense gatlings, and only cover LEO>>94426446>>94426476https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-OQFslDKiIThe "city" around the gun is actually its crew. The gun reaches high enough that the blast happens on the thin air high above the city. They have safe rooms for when the gun has to actually fire. The poor agglomerate on shanty towns built around shoddily built public bunkers, while the super rich have blast-proof estates. They have so much water they can even swim in it!
>>94425955Blanche made this design for a chaos cultist from an ocean world. Dark age humanity built wherever they could. Fenris had large underground colonies built to withstand tectonic activity. And I am pretty sure there are confirmed aquatic abhumans designed to live in such environments. Eisenhorn had a home/villa that was underwater, the elite of that hiveworld instead of living above the clouds in high spires kept the ocean to themselves, with bio-luminescent fish dancing through their large windows several kilometers beneath the surface.So there are underwater civilizations and homes in 40k they just never get any focus
>>94425955>>94426449Because aquatic don't make sense. Marines alredy can drop anywhere with tunderhawks or drop pods, and Land Raiders work under water same with power armor. Space Wolves attacked underwater tau colony and they just dropped land raiders and troops at bottom of ocean and fought it like normal land battle.
>>94426228dreadful Birmingham
>>94426464Can you clean, wash and take out the trash once a week instead of daily? I'd have eggs for breakfast, pulled chicken for lunch and sandwiches for dinner.It's not fancy life, but I was able to watch tv (im lazy). Maybe you can do it better. Hang in there anon :D
for all two of you that care you can upload mp4 files to 4chan now
Would you say this is the best basic grot guard list in case you just wanted to have fun?https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/tDL22
>>94426354The eye color thing is still part of the geneseed too, anon.
>>94426512>Space Wolves attacked underwater tau colony and they just dropped land raiders and troops at bottom of ocean and fought it like normal land battle.>land raiders are both pressure-proof, can fight water resistance, and have weapons that function well underwater
Space magic tech
>>94426431Im waiting on laundry to finish, I can shitpost in between chores.
>>94426512>Space Wolves attacked underwater tau colonyWere the Tau underwater mechs that fought back cute?
>>94426471In every depiction of his spear it's nearly copy paste. The 4th image is his official model. It won't change from that.
>>94426543Boss baby vibes
>>94426536>>94426556Yes, they were underwater mechas. Yes Land Raider can fight under water. Also marines have 3rd lung that allow them to breath under water.
>>94426447>projectingBetter hurry before daddy sees you haven't finished
>>94426512Probably not very deep at all, the stresses on a spacecraft are a lot like pulling a piece of wire or string tight, it's all tension(except during acceleration). Putting it underwater would be like balancing the string/wire on end, and trying to get it to support a load in compression.
The Helbrute model is cooler than I thought it’d be honestly I like this guy
>>94425143>arrest meLOLLMAOAnon, you think a State that can judge the innocent of being guilty of wasting their time is going to do something as humane as imprisoning people? At best you're repenting in a penal legion, but more likely than not it's servitorization or summary execution.
>>94426582>p-p-p-projecting!!!struck too close to home huh
>>94426585>anon using physics>when discussing 40kAnon common and cheap lasgun battery rapes known laws of physics, it's beyon your understanding but tanks used by Imperial Guard and even Marines are WW2 vehicles.
>>94426590I'd still prefer to just have a chaos dread but yeah it does look pretty cool. I'll probably get one for my tsons eventually
>>94426585imperial designs aren't made to be subtly balanced with only the minimal amount of resistance needed for their ideally intended role they're made to be ignorantly all-purposes
>>94426590the pose is crap
>>94426594This is just getting sad now anon, you'll be lucky if they give you any painting time if you don't finish before they get home
>>94426543>The Falcon is airtight, which means it's also watertightLmao
Has James given the DAngels something else to do now that the whole Fallen thing was handwaved with the Lion saying it was all good?I get the impression they'll eventually be just 30K DAs, i.e. Space Knights, i. e. something both the DAs and BTs already explored sufficiently well, while also having other interesting things going on. Quite the downgrade, if true.>inb4 sucking cock because haha gayYes, you're very clever. Good job.
>>94426591Doesn't matter, he still wasted his own time due to his own actions and volition.I will be executed but I will call him a wankstain regardless.
>>94426626No
>>94426616you're so mad about being caught out lmao
>>94426626>with the Lion sayinghe's not saying anything, not even to the inner circle, they're all left wondering what the fuck is going on and are too afraid to ask
>>94426626Lion only forgave some of the Fallen, mainly the ones who were just happened to stand in a the wrong place and time during Lion's and Luther's battle and then got fucked over by the warpstorm.There are still traitor Fallen that Lion didn't forgive.
>>94426371go work on it!
>>94425714At best, all we'd get of the Legion of the Damned would be a Kill Team release.
Finished the new Votann book.Tl;dr: It's nothing special. Most of it is just pointing out minor details about League ship-life, inter-League legal conflicts which don't really go anywhere, and some mediocre battle scenes against Nids.
>>94426655Does this mean the Booklet is still the best Votann book?
>>94426655nothing about ironkin prostitutes?
>>94426643>ruins his shot at saving Big-E during the Heresy because he just refuses to communicate properly with anyone>his planet fucking blows up as a direct consequence of that and he's put into a 10K coma because of it>wakes up and repeat the same exact mistakeAt least Guilliman had the common decency to adapt to his new environment and learn from his previous and current mistakes.
>>94425458the squighog is probably the best refresh gw has ever done
>>94426228Fenris.Icy death world inhabited by a daemon world spirit, populated by savages, tons of deadly wildlife, including devolved former colonists.Can't exterminatus because it's protected by furries.
>>94426616>>94426636>No you!>No you!How about you both go step onto the highway
>>94426693World spirits aren't daemons.They are in reality a remnant of what the Warp used to be before Chaos came in and raped it past recognition.
>>94426645Yeah, but the driving force behind the DAngels wasn't so much the hunt for the Fallen as the ever increasing pile of bullshit they had to engage in to keep the secret. If found out their original crime would've been a footnote on the list of reasons for the Excommunicate Traitoris decree, compared to all the shit they've done to hide it. But now with the Inquisition kowtowing to Guilliman, the High Lords being de facto powerless (if still alive) and a fucking Primarch vouching for them there's a less than zero chance of them getting anything beyond a slap on wrist (if that) for all the bullshit they pulled over the last 10K years.There still being Fallen or not is irrelevant, the actual conflict for the Dark Angels is resolved.
>>94426685it's a new unit, not a refresh>but cyboarsit would be like calling intercessors a tacticals refreshyou know it's not the same
>>94426655So just kharadron but more generic looking and in space
>>94426655That's pretty good desu, adds depth. Not every book needs to introduce new groundbreaking shit (it preferably shouldn't), of it gives the faction some flavor and gives their players material to headcanon something for thwir dudes it's a good book.
>>94425458Abhorrent design and concept made only to trick ork players into wasting money
>>94426730>it would be like calling intercessors a tacticals refreshThey are though.>but muh special weaponsUpdates giveth, updates taketh away.
>>94426723The Wolves having 4 suspiciously adequate stand ins for the Chaos Gods they need to interact with during rituals is pure coincidence too, I'm certain.
>>94426730yeah intercessors are better than tacticals because they get rid of the schizo loadouts of the latter
>>94426731It's not like Necrons weren't turned into tomb kings but in space.
>>94426723Uh-huh.And Rune Priests totally aren't psykers, right?
>>94426775GW making multiple terrible decisions doesn't lessen those terrible decisions
>>94426788nu-crons blow the fuck out of the literal NPC faction they were before the update
>>94426412Do you know what a nebula is? It only looks like the image because different EM wavelengths are mapped to visible colors for more easy data digestion. If you shift to human visible, you see just about nothing but stars.
>>94426751Sounds like BL slop, so irrelevant.>>94426777They are psykers but tap into the power of the Fenris' world spirit.Just like SoB draw power from the Emperor to cast their "miracles" (it's just psychic shit as well)
>>94426788Yes, but don't act suprised when company known for making bad decisions make another bad decision.I was just pointing out a pattern.
>>94426751>The Wolves having 4 suspiciously adequate stand ins for the Chaos Gods they need to interact with during ritualsWhat the fuck?
>>94426811>calling Sisters psykers Now that's some grade-a heretical bullshit right there.
>>94426811>power of the Fenris' world spirit.this isn't world of warcraft faggot
>>94426811>They are psykers but tap into the power of the Fenris' world spirit.Anon that's literally BL slop fluff from Horus Heresy books.
Sisters, I am poor mendicant and I am not sure I would be able to afford burning the heretics and xenos in the way they deserve. How many vehicles do you have in your armies? Does every sister unit, except the seraphim, need their own rhino? Or are my worries unfouned and the holy flamers will cleanse the filth of this world, even on budget?
>>94426799Necrons are the most pathetic version currently than they've ever been>reanimation is totally fucked and all warriors are falling apart for no reason>every necron character is some reddit-tier goofball>all their special tech and abilities are nullified by everybody in different ways
>>94426842The smartest move the Jailer ever did was further the exodus to other games. He saw the Emet-Selchs of other games attracting players away and knew he would have an easier time winning if nobody plays his game to stop him.
>>94426808Most factions live on planetary systems, or in ships that do warp travel between planetary systems.I wonder if anything could live in the actual deep space bereft of planets and stars.Doubtful.There's no heat, no solar energy and the only resources around are gas clouds. At least those are inmense.Pic related is the Horse Nebula, which I think is in true color?
>>94426855You only need a Rhino for every unit you want to get up close to the enemy. So all Repentia and flamer units.Sisters do need a Land Raider. That can hold 26 models. Because little girls really don't take up as much space as a full on Spess Mahreen.Oh, and Penitent Engines are great Distraction Carnifexes. to draw fire from your girls.
>>94426808The Orion Nebula creates and destroys oceans worth of water. Each day, there's more than all the oceans on Earth combined x 60.
>started with AP fanatic starter set>getting the hang of layering and highlighting>start buying more fanatic paints>extremely tempted to buy all 6 shades per colour for autistically layeringPlease help anons Im about to spend way too much on paintWhat colors are worth it buying multiple shades of? I collect orks
>>94426885>and the only resources around are gas cloudsDo they have Hellium-3?
>>94426912Just get the basics and mix your own paints to desired shades.Like just a couple browns and add red or yellow to adjust the tones of it or white or black to darken/lighten them. Same with your greens. Just a couple greens and again mix things up on the pallette. Don't bother writing it down, the differences will make especially natural things look more natural with small variances.
>>94426912Buy as and when you need the paints, don't go buying up a full range, I promise you, you'll end up never opening most of them, or you'll use a colour once and then never again.
>>94426846Difference is that Horus Heresy BL slop actually matters to the 40k universe because it revolves around the Heresy and marines, unlike other BL slop.
>>94426940>Horus Heresy BL slop actually matters lollmaogo ask /hhg/ even
>>94426915Totally. It'd be like ships swimming in food and fuel.Technically there would even be more gold than on Earth, as most of ours sank below the crust when the planet was molten.Cloud mining via spectra imaging would be the main thing to do inna Nebula
>>94426968/hhg/ is irrelevant to the discussion.BL slop on the other hand isn't.
>>94426906>The Orion Nebula creates and destroys oceans worth of waterspread over what distances? like liter per cubic km
>>94426977>hh is irrelevantexactly
A game mechanic/scenario idea; As Eldar, if you're sending your forces directly into mortal combat you've already failed before the fighting even starts. It's typical to divert the attention of any enemies with other enemies, so here's one way to try and include this into the game. Either as a standard rule or just as a scenario, the Eldar player can include in their list Non-Aelderi units as an AI third-party. They can't be controlled, will only go after the closest enemy, either your or your opponents units and they can't use any stratagems. The only thing you control is the choice of units to bring, when they show up and which side of the board they arrive on.It's always bothered me that in the lore every asuryani death is seen as a tragedy but in the actual game your spending their lives whether you want to or not. This way you have a way to safeguard the people you're leading while making your enemies useful, very Eldar.
>>94426988your mom per 1 mount everest.
what army do i play if i’m depressed
>>94425277Yo those look sick got anymore. Also what the other anon said, your phone is altering your picture way too much.
>>94427001Counter idea; Eldar are fucking gay and Eldar players should be bullied until they change factions.
>>94427016Probably better to not play as 10th edition's game quality is already depressing as it is. Just paint miniatures and listen to nice music playlists while you're at it and hopefully it will help.
>>94427031you own no models
>>94427019What faction do you play? It's clearly the second most inviting for huge faggots.
>>94427016death guard
>>94427043That may be so, but it is not important to our discussion.
world eaters as a faction seem really dependent on randomly luckshitting an angron revive
>>94427066You shouldn't reply to post model posters, but that doesn't detract from you being dead wrong
>>94427066yes it is, because you can't speak to the quality of 10th at all you braindead /v/ermin
>>94427075>You shouldn't reply to post model postersYou're still reeling from getting BTFO'd by the terminator anon huh
>>94426811>>94426833Gates of Morkai, one of the trials for the Aspirants. Neophytes are forced to to face the Fenrisian stand-ins for the Chaos Gods, like Sla Nahesh
>>94427001I always thought the tabletop was the eldar precisely influencing the enemies in order to prevent a worse fight in the future.I am killing your guardsmen today so that the planet becomes undefended enough as to attract a CSM warband so that, when the secret Necrons wake up, there will be plenty of CSM, IG, SM and Imperial Navy to kill them.Instead of just not doing anything, and letting the Necrons kill the IG in silence with no witnesses.>What do you mean I could've just tell you? What part of "PRITHEE, THE ROOTS STRANGLE THE MORNING BOAR" didn't you understand you monkeigh?!!
>>94426842the shaman shit is ancient lore, back when the currents of the Warp were calm and relatively still you could be in tune with the spirits of nature and the planet and shamans like Big E would reincarnate like Pre-Fall Eldar did
>>94427004do you even know what a kilometer is?
>>94427075>You shouldn't reply to post model postersWhat is that even supposed to prove? It's not like a guy that doesn't have models is gonna leave this place if someone calls him out on that
>>94427095That's just SW conducting Exorcist/Grey Knight style recruit testing.If the recruit can handle looking at a visage of the great enemy and not go insane or become corrupted, then he is fit to be a defender of humanity.
>>94427087They're generally not worth replying to because it's 95% shit posting and 5% modelspammers
>>94426988Just go to an accretion disk and go orbit in the opposite spin. You'll sieve like a million Everest in a month. You'll need a protective shield due to the sheer amount of gains you'll be getting
>>94427100It's 1,000,000 millimeters.
>>94427097>>What do you mean I could've just tell you?I think the eldar themselves do not know exactly WHY they need to do what they're doing sometimes and just trust the processso I imagine it would be pretty hard to tell anyone what's going on>why are you doing this?>because the infinity circuit told the farseer :(>but why>because it must be done >:(
>>94427019
>>94426097>>94425889He was just letting people come up with their own fluff rather than say "fuck you this is the real origin"You guys are either the wrong kind of autistic or just retarded
>>94427043>>94427076>>94427087sorry about the late reply. Had some phone connection issues.
>>94427142inb4 goalpost shift
>>94425889>like the EC werethey weren't
Rolled 2 (1d6)>>94427129Even the farseers don't actually know. They see signs like GW shows us leaks of minis, and they have to decode whether it means Angron must die, or it means that he becomes a monster because someone attacks him as a baby.You roll a 1d6 rune.>Fuck it. We ball.
Coteaz
>>94427097That absolutely makes sense and paints all encounter in a much darker light, knowing these eons old warriors will die just to prevent an even worse fate. That being said, I still wish I could chuck a mob of orcs at the enemy so they get slaughtered, while my forces swoop around and mop up in the carnage.It's like for any other faction a battle is like a Tuesday while for the Eldar it's a funeral dirge.
>>94427161co the ass
>>94427161I'm still speechless
>>94427116Demons for me, but not for thee. And at least GKs and Exorcists can admit they're psykers.
>>94427001I can tell immediately from that slop art that this post isn't worth reading
>>94427087
>>94427181I wonder if they revealed and released coteaz and sanguinary guard back to back to somehow keep the inevitable kneejerk reaction into a more contained timeframe.they weren't parts of a preview show either, which usually gathers much more discussions about whatever gets revealed.
I have a Marine army but no primarch. Should I get one or just another tank? If Vulkan had a model it'd be an easy choice, but alas, he does not.
>>94427200not applicable
>>94427150>inb4 goalpost shiftFunnily enough I recognize the terrible handwriting. It is the same guy who posted those red Cadians with plasma guns.
>>94427202convert the lion into vulkan
>>94427203>anon posts reply >lolol I know exactly who you areHow is it not
>>94427162There's a lot of factions with that sort of tabletop dissonance. Any deathwing list that gets tabled is a thousand year notable loss of priceless suits of relic Terminator armor that date back to the DAOT. Most entire chapters have less than 100 suits of Terminator shit, you can lose a sizeable percentage of that in a single 2k point game. There's only 10,000 custards in the entire galaxy. Blanks are one in a billion, wiping out a 100 point squad of Prosecutors takes 10,000,000,000 people to replace.You can handwaved shit by just saying casualties aren't fatal, a squad of fire dragons hopping out of a wave serpent to blow up a dreadnought or land raider aren't actually falling over dead like suicidal retards the next turn because they understand the concept of trading-up on tabletop points, they're just forced to retreat or flee back into the webway or whatever. Same with millenia old dreadnoughts, when they're taken out they're not actually blown up but just disabled and can't move, etc. Some armies like Daemons and Necrons can literally just shrug off any losses as "lol doesn't count" but a "casualty" in the tabletop doesn't have to be lethal narratively, that was also the whole idea behind Battle Shock, it's not just morale, it's also stuff like equipment failure or being suppressed
>>94427202and god willing, he will not get one either.
>>94427202Why don't you think for yourself like a big boy
>>94427202Get a tank
>>94426445
>>94427200People here think themselves better than in other places on the internet but they enjoy character driven drama like everyone else. It's particularly annoying here because you can actually somewhat identify people by their models if they post any. Thank god most modelposters have the fucking intelligence to not shitpost with their stuff attached
>>94427217For real, even ignoring Trajan any Custodes player that loses a game has essentially undergone a major lore event's worth of losses. It's stupid.
>40k uses "warlord">AoS uses "general"I find this slightly funny
>>94427183Rune Priest is just SW for psyker.It makes sense, they are religious and shamanistic, it's how they'd view it.
>>94426885Yeah, it's in true color at distances of light years. If you were inside of that, it would be no different from space here. If you were to look at Terra from a world "within" the horsehead, there even may be clouds visible. Once again, this is due to the amount of distance and perspective being taken in.Fuck's sake our education systems are in shambles.
>>94426929This was typed by nomodels hands
>>94427217As someone new, this makes a lot more sense and is more interesting than everything dying. Just makes me want to finally play a crusade game.
>>94427242Why?
has someone EVER been successfully taken out of a dreadnought and healed?I know the dreadnought is for those guys that have practically no chance to be fixed in any other way, but surely medical practices vary over time and over areas of the galaxy, not to mention the possibility of miracles or sorcery (in the case of chaos, mostly)so, is there any similar instance?
>>94427226if a changed design is on the table it could totally be a shardnet and impaler though. The upcoming codexes are IG/CWE/IK, I wouldn't be that surprised if the DE and CK codexes are a few months afterwards especially since there's gonna be rules for DE shit in the CWE codex via Yvraine
>>94427271No
>>94426901Thank you anon, I think I will be able to buy two or three rhinos then, hope it will be enough to burn anybody I want.
>>94427269Because you'd figure a General would lead a modern army and a Warlord would lead a an ancient army.
>>94427142>unpainted-10vp
>>94427271No. If you’re put in a dreadnought you’re literally a barely alive corpse who’s been interred because your brothers thought you were wise and honorable enough to deserve the dubious honor of becoming an eternal member of the chapter.
>>94427266lol
>>94427271Not that we know of.But if you want to make something like that, go for it.
>>94427291I accept your concession
>>94427215fuck off destinyfag
>>94427271Defeats the point of the dreadnought if they had the capability to do that
>>94427271>has someone EVER been successfully taken out of a dreadnought and healed?Lazarus was literally so badly wounded that EVEN A DREADNOUGHT wouldn't have been able to save him, but the magic Wolverine Regeneration of the Belisarian furnace saved him and he is now better than ever with all limbs intact after crossing the Rubicon as a life-saving procedure >wait that sounds retardedWelcome to why people dislike Primaris. The Belisarian Furnace is literally a Mario extra life and was the entire justification for Marines going from 1w to 2w. Lazarus couldn't even be saved by a dreadnought sarcophagus as a 1w manlet, crossing the Rubicon made him 2w and now he doesn't even need cybernetics
>>94427271Hopefully not, takes the grimdark away.
>>94427300I'm not even that guy lmao. If you think doing some basic paint mixing is some forbidden technique nobody uses then you're the one that must not have painted too many models
>>94427321>Welcome to why people dislike PrimarisThe only people who dislike primaris have no painted models, or have painted models but theyre from 20 years ago and haven't painted anything since
>>94427335>n-no you0/10 tourist
>>94427345..so literally everybody except nu-fans, then. Great job clearing up the confusion.
>>94426929>Don't bother writing it downThat is horrible advice what could possibly be the benefit of having less detailed information about something like that
>>94427350I accept your concession
>>94427345I dislike Primaris and I paint Primaris models (Black Templar so it's not gay)
>>94427321>but lazarusGW is never killing off named characters.This isn't a primaris issue, it's just a GW issue. They just used a tool that already existed (in a bad way) to explain why X, Y and Z happened.
>>94427351You aren't a fan if you haven't participated in the hobby in a decade. You don't call Michael Jordan a basketball player these days just because he played basketball at one point in his life
>>94427238Not really. There is way more Custodes than Space Wolves, Black Templars or Grey Knights. I would even risk saying there is more Custodes than this 3 chapters combined.
>>94427358No you dont
>>94427238>Codex: "Each custodes is a unique piece of art, never to be replaced..">tabletop: *tank rolls over them*
>>94427374Retard alert
>>94427358>dislikes something but buys and paints themworse than just whining about them but owning nothing
>>94427358Sounds like you don't actually hate primaris at all then
>>94427369Lazarus wasn't named character, he was nobody, who was given model post primaris. He wasn't even captain pre 8th ed, it was other dude from Dark Vengance who was killed so that Lazarus can take his place.
>>94427355
>>94427374there are at maximum, 10k custodes at any timethe black templars alone have at least 10k marines in all their fleets
>>94427210Is there a hammer big enough for this?>>94427221If only Vulkan wasn't a re*sin model.>>94427224Might be for the best, function over fashion; and I do love me tanks.
>>94427397>it's the permanently online shitstirrer againit's honestly pretty sad at this point
>>94427387Anon there is around 2,5 Space Wolves, unless 13th company return, up to 6k Black Templars and maximum of 1k Grey Knights but it was cut to 500 in 8th ed and I don't know if numbers returned to nominal 1000. That gives us 9,5 marines. Meanwhile you have 10k Custodes.
>>94427374Space Wolves recruit like crazy they don't give a shit about the codex rules there are absolutely more of them than custodes>But Fenris was attacked-and immediately saved by Guilliman who brought primaris replacements and immediately started shipping in humans from other feral worlds to repopulate
>>94427413uh oh nomodels melty
>>94427374There are more custodes than individual chapters, yes. But there are a thousand chapters of space marines.Custodes are so hard to produce and so powerful that they usually go someplace one at a time. If ten or twenty custodes are in a single location, that battle is vitally important to the continued survival of Terra, and nothing less than a full shield host is an acceptable force.
>>94427406>Is there a hammer big enough for this?probably need to kitbash one out of other hammers
>>94427413We still don't have any proof of him even playing the game, just ignore the secondary.
>>94427374>There is way more Custodes than Black Templars or Grey Knights.Yes.>There is way more custodes than Space WolvesNot a chance, Space Wolves never split their legion after the Heresy and Leman told Guilliman to fuck off with his book.Space Wolves are still at legion strength, hell, it's never been solid numbers in 40k as to how many Space Wolves there are in the modern Imperium.Only numbers we have of them are from the Great Crusade/Heresy and it puts it around 95,000-100, 000 individual marines.
>>94427400>the black templars alone have at least 10k marines in all their fleetsNot true. Codex estimates give maximum of 6 thousand BT, It's a lot but still less than 10k.
>>94427321>but the magic Wolverine RegenerationYou sure it wasn't the open heart surgery and the belisarian furnace essentially reanimating a dead marine?
>>94427423>nomodels calling model owners secondarieso i am laffin
>>94427396>Lazarus wasn't named character>he was nobody, who was given model post primaris.So a named character.Doesn't matter if its his first model or not, GW is not going to kill of named characters.It is that simple.
>>94427414Retard doubling down alert
>>94427413>>it's the permanently onlineYou do know that this only confirms, at worst, that you both are online the same amount of time, right?
>>94427430Sounds like nogames melty.
>>94427439>everyone laughing at me is the same person lol
>>94427406Vulkan being resin has nothing to do with you crowdsourcing every decision you make
>>94427415>>94427424Anons We have seen full strenght of multiple Great Companies including Grimnar's and Ragnar's ones, each is around 200 marines. Wolves have 12 companies. You do the math, unless for some reason Great Company of Great Wolf is smallest and other never shown companies are for some reason 1000 marines each.
On a scale 1 to 10 how much is each of these responsible for Battle of Prospero?Leman Russ, Magnus the Red,The Emperor of mankind, Malcador,Horus Lupercal.Tzeentch ?With the Primary source of what did actually happen being the horse Harrison books
>>94427443In this case, it probably is. I'm also not the guy you first responded to.
>>94427436Not my fault that GW gave us less space wolves or grey knights or black templars than Custodes.
>>94427452>I'm not samefagging YOU areembarrassing
>>94427451You should jump into a big vat of chemicals and see if you come out like the joker
>>94427457>everyone laughing at me is the same person
>>94427406>function over fashiondo bothgrab a land raider and grab a recast of vulkanpaint the recast of vulkan as a statue and put the statue on top of the land raiderdecorate the land raider into being the relic of vulkan: the obsidian chariot
Space wolves are laid out to become chaos
>>94427451>>94416236
why does games workshop work so hard to make nice looking sigmar models but doesn't put any effort in 40k models?
>>94427420>There are more custodes than individual chapters, yes. But there are a thousand chapters of space marines.This is true, other thing is that Grey Knights don't have successors and are super special chapter reaction on daemon invasion and despite that at best time there is one GK per 10 Custodes. Or how Wolves who didn't have sucessors untill 8th or 9th ed, never split into chapters so if Fenris was gone they too would be gone have less marines than there is Custodes. Custodes can take way more lossess than bloodline of Leman Russ.
>>94427446Thinking alone is boring.
>>94427413>>94427200
>>94427476Because marines are the only thing that sell and marine players will accept literally anything as long as it means more marines
>>94427451Emperor was at fault for not killing red one eyed mutant moment they met.The rewards for tolerance are treachery and betrayal
>>94427423We don't have any proof of you playing the game or owning models either
>>94427466no, they aren't
>>94427451What do you need this information for besides fuel for an even more retarded question
>>94427485What, you think someone saved the shitty images he uses to play pretend ?
>>94427487>Because marines are the only thing that sellleviathan proved tyranids sell more
>>94427465Cut the legs off and you got yourself a model almost as dumb as the Khorne Lord of Skulls one.
>>94427451Tzeentch already won the great game and started over.Emps and Malcador were gearing up to turn the primarchs against each other eventually, so they are next.The primarchs share an equal amount of blame because they couldn't stop fucking up.
>>94427476I think it's likely that 40k modelers have a big list of things they have to include and have to exclude whereas aos is more free to do what they want. The newest releases stink of toomanycooks
94427509>this bait again
>>94427511>Cut the legs offthere's a bust that can be 3d printed instead
>>94426371Procure the services of a pro painter, anon. It's the only way you'll get anything done.
>>94427502Surely noone could save an image to their computer. That's far too complicated
>>94426371>implying you're not just making excuses to not paint
>>94427497I get nervous and start forgetting my paints and stratagems if I make any pictures.
>>94427509No it just proved that people wanted to see something that wasn't space marines win for once it was literally just a code in the leviathan box
>>94427523>those teeth
>>94427523Vulkan, Lord of Flames
>>94427533You don't have any models or paint
>>94427552No, you don't. I just don't take any pictures, but I can assure you that they're real.
Are people still mad about eldar being good like 3 editions ago?
>>94427556I accept your concession nomodels
>>94427536only marine players and tyranid players got the boxunless you want to argue that marine players are so tired of marines they would rather vote for tyranids, then more tyranid players got the box than marine players
Alright I bought warboss, this shit better be good. The had another one about the biggest big mek attacking an admech planet but I got warboss because you faggits said it was good.
>>94427579They've been good for over 50% of the editions printed you disingenuous fag.
>>94427584no, marine players just know to wait because every marine in that box will get a multipart non-ETB version a few months later
>>94427581As do I yours. Time to go to bed, goodnight.
>>94427587>BL slop>goodMy condolences on the wasting of your money
>No YOU don't have models!>No, YOU don't have models!
>>94427601
>>94427584The other big factor is that for nid players multiple Leviathan halves is still a good deal, while multiple Leviathan halves for SM is pretty shit and you don't really want duplicates of a lot of shit in it, especially the monopose character models. Whereas EVERYTHING in Nidder half is in demand since it's all new and you always need a billion fucking gaunts and such. Who the fuck wants 20 Infernus marines?
>>94427556>"Yeah, I can do a backflip. I just don't feel like it right now."
>>94427584>more tyranid players got the box than marine playersIf that were true the secondhand market wouldn't have been flooded with cheaper tyranid halves
>>94427609it feels like it's always the same person starting this shit, take it up with him>Verification not required.
>>94427594>They've been good for over 50% of the editions printed you disingenuous fag.So have nids, you don't see people constantly seething about it because there's no inferiority complex towards Tyranids like there is Elves (well, unless you're turbo zergpilled) and people don't angrily fantasize about fucking a lictor
>>94427345Is this bait?
>post models>no models poster immediately tries to find your social media or gamestore you took the picture from>>94427620it would?most tyranid players already have the box, ergo, space marine players looking to offload the nids they don't need need to try and sell them cheaper
>>94427556
>>94427597>marines are at the same time conscious consumers and mindless slop eaters who will gobble anything ah yes, the infamous quantum paypig, constantly the best seller, until a measurement happens
>buy eldar and dark eldar because I like how they look>Get called a WAACfag
>>94427618Heh, right? It's really dumb. Ask Lamenterfag about pictures from his numerous games next time. I wonder what he'll say to that.For even more fun, post pictures yourself, and he'll probably just ignore you.
>>94427620>If that were true the secondhand market wouldn't have been flooded with cheaper tyranid halvesum bwo the marinefags who don't care about nidders always sell the non-marinefag half for dirt cheap. Indomitus was exactly the same with a huge flood of Necron shit
Do they even make fake gemstones small enough to fit into necron eye sockets? I wanted to make a Justin army but couldn't find the size I needed. Maybe I should just paint them gold and sprinkle some gems on the bases.
>>94427640ignore inferior beingspaint nice elves
>>94427650I'm sure you could go to a hobby shop and find rhinestones or whatever.
>>94427634A third of these threads are bait. Some just seem so natural, you would never think twice, other baits so obvious they get ignore, the most insidious derails the thread, just like is happening now. Even this post and my response is bait.
>>94427637>no models poster immediately tries to find your social media or gamestore you took the picture from...and? It's not like some schizo from 4chan can cause you any problems
>>94427634post your models with timestamp
94427639you're so hilariously lazy with your bait
>>94427656What does a squatted shadow elf from an aos boardgames have to do with 40k
>>94427644Rent free
Have another game lined up for next week, this time against CSM. The Orion is trash but it's fun trash.
>>94427640Neither of these things happened
>>94427633nids even at their strongest haven't been as oppressive as eldar
>>94427650even if they did, it would be hell to glue all the gems onto the necrons
>>94427637I don't know why I'd care if they did
>>94427639>Newfag teens got farmed by sweaty WAACfags in their 40s.
>>94427620it isn't
>>94427679Elf Racial Solidarity (TM) means that an elf model for one game is an elf model for all games.marines really need to consider a union. Behold, a Succubus with Archite Glaive and Agonizer (lol just kidding they don't even get wargear options in 10th)
>>94427691Have you finished basecoating your 400$ floating paper weight yet? Or any of your models for that matter?
>>94427691I've managed to pin down every piece of personal information there is about you from this photo, should've been more careful
>>94427695Nids are literally the reason the Rule of 3 exists.You've also moved the goalposts from "been good more than 50% of the time"
>>94427699call me paranoid, but when I had kids the first thing I did was delete all my social media because my other nerdy hobby, cosplay, has some real fucking weirdos in it and I don't want them harassing me or my family because of some autistic shitfit they decided to have today
>>94427597>no, marine players just know to waitSo you do agree that more tyranid players bought the box than marine players
>>94427705you sure about that?
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>94427708>an elf model for one game is an elf model for all gamesOkay this is my visarch then
>>94427725basedI think my brother's heroquest box being a forbidden fruit for me when I was a kid was the start of my downfall into miniatures autism
>>94427716>cosplay
>>94427716You're paranoid
>>94427691You know own it's bad when the guard player has more painted models than you do
>>94427720This is why they were squating DE range for last 5 years? Half of DE units is just gone.There is no named Archon like Vect or Malys or whatever. And even if they refresh DE range it will change nothing since DE barely have any units.
>>94427701please, confirm to me that this is what you are implying: sweaty waacfags in their 40s consistently, across GW's number 1 best selling boxset of all time, split off their purchase with newfag teenagers and played a game to determine who between them could vote in favour of their faction?that's what you think happened?
>>94427716You could always just, you know, not engage with shitposters and not shitpost yourself so nobody would have a reason to harass you
>>94427755>why did a massive tyranid refresh sell better than two new marine units wtf
>>94427753DE don't need lots more.Replace fineshit grotesques, redo wyches, hellions, reavers as they have shit sculpts. Maybe throw in a new boat or something. I'd love to see plastic court of the archon too.
My headcanon for the leviathan box results are that gw fudges the numbers for all their events to coincide with their shipping/logistics timeline.
>>94427768>"massive" tyranid refreshthe screamer killer, termagants>"non-massive" marine refreshterminators, veterans, ranged dreadnought
>>94427714Eldar have been the best army in the game during 2nd with Exarchs, 4th (Falcon spam is infinite), 6th, 7th, and parts of 9th (but that was more lmao powercreep codices) and pre-nerf in 10th. 6/10 editions where they had their time as an uncontested top 1 army.In third they were a top army just not the best. The first ever proper 40k tournament by White Dwarf was won by eldar, they did another big tournament next year, and Eldar won again.A lot of this also boils down to the 'level' of power - Eldar weren't OP by a little bit, they were overtune by a ton. Starcannon spam, the monster that was the 6thed Waveserpent, Jetbike farseer (Probably the single most efficient HQ unit in the game, so good that they became a defining feature of Tau lists), and the Wraithknight, which is still the strongest unit ever made legal and if you properly ported the rules for the 7th ed Wraithknight 10th it'd be a 3-of autoinclude in every list that would do 3d6+24 mortal wounds whenever it rolled a 6 to wound.No man who played against 7e Wraithknight Spam and lmao4wraithknights could walk away without a hatred of Eldar.
>>94427761>not engage with shitposters and not shitpost yourself so nobody would have a reason to harass youYou don't have to shitpost for schizos online to harass you, this thread is proof enough of that which is why barely anyone posts full armies
>>94427753Nothing of value was lost
>>94427803why would GW ship out marines last if they sold the most and would sell even better the closer they remain to the months of summer?
>>94427812so you're just going to be as disingenuous as possible huh xenotranny
>>94427817I post most of my both finished and wip stuff and nobody got angry at me yet
>>944278137th edition was retarded and awful across the board in a lot of ways
>>94427817>the schizos are just crawling out of the woodwork and harassing me for zero reason I didn't do anything
>>94427813But surely it's fine if I'm not a meta chaser and don't spam 3 wraithknights. I don't even own one as I dislike lords of war.
>>94427813>Jetbike farseer (Probably the single most efficient HQ unit in the game, so good that they became a defining feature of Tau lists)What. Can someone explain this? I played 5th and then dropped out until 9th.
>>94427830You're the one saying the tyranid side was more appealing because it refreshed more units while the marine side wasn't because it didn't refresh units as much as making new oneswhich is evidently not true, unless you want to argue the complete opposite now!
>>94427835The allies matrix is still a good idea, tourney cretins will always find a way to remove all fun from your game we shouldn't remove everything that gives people options just to spite the people that feel and think nothing
Hypothetically, how would you run an LGS Planetary Campaign game that includes basically every main game and specialist game running on the same planet over several weeks? Trying to think of a system where specialist games would grant bonuses to the main games. I'm imagining a big battle map with 4 hemispheres for BFG control. Kill team missions for things like destroying a fuel depot or munitions dump. Dark Crusade-style sectors of planetary control. Aeronautica would do... something I'm sure. And Idk might run Dark Heresy or something for intelligence bonuses.
>>94427862I always liked how in the AoS version skaven weren't proper allies with skaven
>>94427451I dunno ask /hhg/
>>94427857Eldar jetbike(super mobile and with firepower) mastery level 3 psyker who could cast invisibility, 3+4++, with good melee for 115 points.
>>94427881>how would you run an LGS Planetary Campaign game that includes basically every main game and specialist game running on the same planet over several weeksI wouldn't. That sounds like a logistical nightmare. People don't play every single specialist game so it would fall apart come aeronautica night, or dark heresy night when you get like 2 players
The second legion now canonically would conquer worlds by infiltrating the rich among their society then influence the world leaders to to as they wished. This usually lead to creation of a world currency that they solely control, mass immigration from loyal imperial worlds, control over all forms of media, faking evidence of genocides to make the strongest groups of people look guilty on the world stage, and ruination of the worlds food supply to make it subtly toxic. Out of all their attempts at conquest, they were rebelled against on 109 worlds and subsequently expelled from their positions of power. The Emperor did not tolerate their Primarch's incompetence
>>94427846even someone who posts their models with zero commentary will have schizos immediately reverse image searching it and hunting down any socials for shits and giggles, yes. >Uh well obviously just make sure every image posted here is unique and not identifiable with anything posted elsewhere By admitting you need to take schizo prevention steps you are admitting schizos exist and are a problem. Nobody wants to deal with drunken Ivans trying to doxx them because they disagree with whether nuln oil's new formula tastes better when you drink it vs the old one.
>>94427907okay, you should've posted this in /hhg/ though
>>94427907I dunno ask /hhg/ + literally who asked
>>94427915The /hhg/ rules confuse me. Different points for different weapon load outs? They are trying too hard to be unique lmao
>>94427857Farseers got access to all the best psychic disciplines in the game in 6thIn 6th ed they introduced "allies" which let you take allied units from another army. There were a bunch of restrictions but essentially if you were 'battle brothers' with another faction you could cast buffs and stuff, treat it all as one unified force. The intention was to have it so you could play a guard list with a small contingent of Marines or Sisters or something fluffy, or ally across Chaos with ease. But to keep the Xenos happy, they added a few xeno synergies. Tau and Eldar were battle brothers. You had to take a HQ + Troops and then elite, troop, FA or Heavy with no special characters.The Jetbike Farseer and the Tau support system commander could both spread absurd buffs, so you had things like a Riptide that could reroll scatter dice and ignore cover so it would place down a template and kill a squad of MEQ without them getting a single save. The firewarriors being backline snipers + fast attacking bikes to hit midfield objectives was a potent combo. You could also take a fucking Wraithknight as an ally so your Tau lists not only had high mobility point-capturing troops, giant buffs on your riptides that let you one-shot MEQ and control the game with psychic powers, you also had a distraction carnifex Wraithknight.The Farseer would give these absurd units invisibility, or just superb reliability. Riptides would be invisible and kill whatever non-vehicle it looked at once per turn while being completely immune to any form of retribution.
>>94427881While it seems fun on paper, such game is super problematic to run. Fuck before even attempting something like that just try to run full lenght apocalypse game. Problem is always people not having time for prolonged games and it get's way worse if you mix systems, especially systems that are not supported for a decade.
>>94427532>>94427526I finished my stuff earlier and im painting RIGHT NOW
>>94427914>someone who posts their models with zero commentary will have schizos immediately reverse image searching it and hunting down any socials for shits and gigglesSeen it happen to mechanicanon and he's nothing but cordial and paints pretty nicely
>>94427914>By admitting you need to take schizo prevention stepsYou might want to look into those seeing as how you're arguing with yourself
>>94427907Not true, IInd legion was mix of world eaters and thousand sons, they all were psionic berzerkers. They just killed everyone with their force chain axes.
>>94427953No, thats the 11nd
>>94427904I meant how the fuck was an eldar HQ in Tau lists
>>94427881escalation league with battlefleet gothic (via 2D paper tokens at a lower scale for ease of immediate playability) acting as the starting point and the bumper game in-between the growth of armiesuse the games of bfg to establish the preliminary movements and choices regarding the locations each player decides to intervene in then it's kill team games for the early skirmishes between vanguard groupsthen it's boarding patrols after another round of space battles (a good game master here takes notes of the key manoeuvres and decisive attacks during the bfg games and introduce problems such as breached hulls in the boarding patrol games)repeat the process a few times until everyone is comfortable with enough units to play actual 40k games, slowly escalate the points and the numbers of players during games until you reach the final apocalypse gameno roleplay or epic or aeronautica
>>94427930I always wondered why people at the lgs would talk about tau being OP in older editions but I definitely understand where they're coming from now
>>94427881Do it like old DnD: you play with who is here at the momentPlayers help their side, regardless of their system. Players don't need to play multiple systems, but they can interact with each other outside the game and communicate.In short: everyone is playing a different game which affect the larger campaign.You can fix any problem through being the Game Master of the campaign; if one side needs a little boost, come up with scenarios that can help keep the campaign fun, like if one side is fucked then the objectives changes and you add new parameters, conditions and opportunities.Your only issue is being able to run all the systems at once (enough tables and supervision) and keep the campaign situation intelligible for players, so they know what's going on.
>>94427881Just forget aeronautica altogether
>>94427969>>94427930Nigga read
>>94427930Yeah that allies system sounds like it was always going to be abused by powergamers
>>94427969Allies?
>>944279746th ed Tau were some shit, man. 6th and 7th monsterous/Gargantuan creatures completely powercrept any and all vehicles, and Riptides being MC meant it was nearly impossible to take them down and they'd just table a unit a turn
DKOK is probably going to release with some specialty limited edition boxhow hard is it to usually get these items?Do you need to fight on GW preorders just to land one?
>>94427974They were only topped by Eldar. Eldar were so OP it wasn't even funny.
>>94427992Guard are getting one pity hero and a book
>>94427862the ally matrix has 3 fundamental problems:you can justify all sorts of alliances in narrative games or wishfully thought stories, such as blood angels allying with necrons against nids, or iron warriors and imperial fists allying against orks, both canon instances, and it shouldn't mean such interactions should be recognised by the ally matrixonce you stick with the most standard interactions it is very obvious that some armies simply do not interact anywhere close to the amount of times imperial armies do (and this is mainly a problem if you are autistic and you want to give interactions to everyone because you think it's unfair otherwise)and finally that certain interactions have some strict conditionals, like for example tau armies that involve only kroots to represent mercenaries for an Imperial force, or ork mercenaries as well, which would be ideally represented by just freebooters and blood axes, so you would have to have certain factions not merely represented once, but have their own internal microfactions listed as well there are ways to reach compromises with the above, but it's not with the ally matrix, you need to untangle the rules for allies and make some brackets specific for certain subfactions or army compositions
>>94427736And that is a good thing.
>>94428063Dios mio mucho texto
>>94428068
>>94427914Anon by posting something online you pretty much agree to putting it on display for people to see. If for some reason it bothers you so much some nobody from 4chan will see your space marines or post a link to your reddit account here maybe you should not post them where they can be easily reverse searched
>>94428068>a redemptor with new weapons is not a new modelthen neither is a carnifex with new (old) weapons
>>94427888Honestly several 40K factions should probably be the same. Tyranid fleets don't play nice with each other. Orks barely tolerate another boss from their own clan, let alone a different one. Dark Eldar would rather ally with anyone but another Dark Eldar. Even Sisters and Space Marines notoriously don't get along well, let alone the AdMech who are fervent advocates of a different religion.
>>94428063or you give up on niche thing and stick with the simple stuff>you can ally all imperials with all other imperials (except sisters with admech unless there's a third imperial faction in-between)>you can ally all chaos with all chaos (except khorne with slaanesh or nurgle with tzeentch, unless there's a third chaos army in-between)>you can ally eldar and dark eldar>you can ally votann with either tau or marines or guard>you can ally genecults with either guard or tyranids>you can't ally anything else
>>94428126I actually like the ally system currently, even though I'm not entirely thrilled with the restrictions on how it's implementedeldar/tau "allies" were already baked in their lists, they don't even pay an ally tax like imperium/chaos dothe other factions are either too insular, or so disjointed that them even working together is a monumental feat
>>94427992Those boxes stick around for a long ass time don't fall for GW's hype, check ebay like a month after it releases and you'll get a 10% discount minimum maybe more depending on how greedy the seller got
>>94428155>you can ally all imperials with all other imperialsyeah nah fuck off, this is the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium and the Imperium is a crumbling Byzantine bureaucracy with a million internal factions and micro states warring for control. Every Imperial holding hands and singing kumbayah is fucking stupid, go play Grand Alliance Order in Age of Sigmar if you want that shit
>>944281266th ed allied charts differentiated between diferent imperial factions like most marine chapters got allong but DA and SW had a beef, marines had problems with sisters and GK/Inquisition didn't like anyone, Tau could ally easly with standard marines but not BA, DA, SW or Templars, 7th ed pulled all imperial factions into single bracket.To be fair Marines getting along more with Tau than Sisters or GK was retarded."Comes to apocalypse" aka red option was also funny, because you could take allies like Tyranids and Black templars or Grey Knights and Chaos Daemons, but they had to keep distance or you would have to attack your own units.
>>94428176For DKOK stuff? Delusional
>>94425604>tome keepersRead that as "tone keepers" at first and was like, yeah that does fit the zeitgeist.
>>94428092This was typed by someone with no social life
>>94428196Anon but 99% of the time Imperium factions are cooperating. Sisters, Marines, Guard, Mechanicus and forces of Inquisition are working together against xenos or chaos, sometimes they even have Eldar assistance. Sometimes there is little disagreement or even little friendly fire but Imperial factions are working together all the time.
My favorite part after a long, three hour intense, careful painting session is turning to my palette and taking in all the little pools of different paints. Its like a reminder of the journey I went on that day, a good progress check.
>>94428212guard does not sell well at all, not even shovelfaggots
>>94428222it was typed by someone admitting they do exactly what >>94427817 is talking about lol
>>94428196>Grand Alliance OrderYou haven't been able to play grand alliance armies since AOS1ed secondary kun
>>94428196>this is the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium and the Imperium is a crumbling Byzantine bureaucracy with a million internal factions and micro states warring for control.and yet they're consistently shown to coordinate on the war frontif you don't want to ally your marines to a guard army that's fine, but pretending marines and guardsmen don't ally is ridiculous
>>94425445the mystery is they are actual sisters of battle inside
>>94428231>tiny blob of white>enough doombull to do two coats on one modelI sure hope you were painting a character because otherwise you made no progress
Bring back pask
Remind me again, why aren't space marines mutants?
>>94428237in 3rd you could ally 400 points from your alliance no questions asked and in 4th you get access to every alliance regiment of renown. 40k does not need every single imperium list running 400 points of black templar crusaders every time they're undercosted as fuck, or the return of the loyal 32
>>94428196a massed force of guard while a small squad of marines take an objective is how 99.99999% of engagement with marines go
>>94428251Gesundheit
>>94428253they are, some sisters are freaked out by how inhuman marines are
>>94428251he never went away, he just doesn't have his name attached to the updated model and updated rules, but they're there
>>94428256>allying 400pts is the same as running a GA army
>>94428253same reason why chopping off your arm doesn't count as evolution
>>94428257when you play marines in 40k, you're already playing as that small squadron of marines taking an objective. that's what objectives ARE. a planetary engagement will have 100000000000 guardsmen but a 2,000 point game is less than a company of marines, even "horde" armies like nids is like 60 or 80 gants, not hundreds. You are ALREADY playing the small focused battle for the objectives that matter.
>>94428233Lol
>>94428271it doesn't, if the guard sold well it would have been included in a starter set to capitalise on it
>>94428231>2 paintsuhhh anon how much did you paint in those 3 hours
>>94428275By this logic dark eldar sell well because they've been in a starter set. Get a grip.
>>94428263every imperial army being able to ally 400 points from every single other imperial army would be fucking awful, yes, go back to AoS and your Double Turn slop
>>94428270>100000000000 guardsmenThe imperium fields less soldiers than the average ww2 battle.
>>94428282they did when that box released
>>94428250>>94428276That was indeed the joke anon. I did a lot of careful work, painted a lot with contrast paints and shades tonight so not many actual "paints" were used.
>>94428283Imperium is always the biggest problem with the Ally system. Don't let the Taudar criers try to spin the narrative.
>>94428271guard is quite literally the least popular human faction other than knightsorks necrons and tau all outsell them
>>94428286Huffffffff
I've been painting a lot of heroic scale shit recentlyit's hilarious how easy the new models are to paint
>>94428288Looking good anon.
>>94428283Imagine being so allergic the flavorful list building. Maybe checkers or candyland would be more your speed if you can't handle variation in your games
>>94428293>Anon can't read a chart
>>94428294yeah you're right that was just the worst selling starter set everoh wait that was the dark angels crimson slaughter box
>>94428284>The imperium fields less soldiers than the average ww2 battle.numbers are wildly inconsistent. Armageddon was only millions of guardsmen and many battles less than WW2.Terra has canonically QUADRILLIONS of people when the Great Rift opened and Daemons attacked it at the start of Indomitus a quadrillion is 1,000,000,000,000,000 people.
>>94428302Thanks anon. Itll be nice to finish up the squad with those last two. Hopefully I can get through them all the way tomorrow.
>>94428305Can you?
>>94428288nice, as long as you actually painted something it's all good
>>94428314>Proves me right???
>>94428261There are no updates rules
>>94428303>Imagine being so allergic the flavorful list buildingYeah bro, the Loyal 32 was really so flavorful. If you want "fluffy" listbuilding taking Inquisitors as furries should make you take d6 mortal wounds at game start
>>94428318>proves you rightah, so you can't read it even with your hand being held lmao
>>94428312>Terra has canonically QUADRILLIONS of peopleIt's anywhere from 200 billion-quadrillions.
>>94428261>he never went away>he just went away and they referenced his modelYeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyee
>>94428253>Remind me again, why aren't space marines mutants?They're intentionally modified humans and their changes are not hereditary, so I guess that's why they get the super-soldier label. Meanwhile Navigators are also an intentionally modified branch of humanity, but they breed true
>>94428323Sounds like a skill issue combined with acute autism on your part. The actions of waacfags are irrelevant if you have friends and can just tell them to knock it off. Only people who cry about waacfags are people stuck playing pickup games or are too autistic to speak up for themselves
>>94428312>Terra has canonically QUADRILLIONS of people when the Great Rift opened and Daemons attacked it at the start of IndomitusI would like a source on that, just curious.Not that it matters because GW don't undestrand math, or guns, or vehicles, to be fair GW don't understand shit. This is why War in Heaven that was mere 60 million years ago was "eons ago", when 60 million years are not even close of single eon.
>>94428326Nigger you drew lines showing AM's bar is bigger, are you ok?
>>94428349>Sounds like a skill issue combined with acute autism on your part.You're the one with autism mad you can't ally GRAND ALLIANCE ORDER slop like Age of Sigmar. This is a tabletop wargame where every faction can and does regularly battle every single other faction, allies should be highly limited like they currently are (and even then you still have an entire codex of Ally options in Agents, talk about a Skill Issue on your part....)
>>94428326>>94428356I think he's being retarded and pretending AdMech is the Guard instead of Astra Militarum.
>>94428233DKoK were in the kill team starter (a “loss leader” in terms of standard GW pricing) and they made infinity of those sets. Not a good measure.
>>94428320What's a tank commander if not pask?
>>94428355Vaults of Terra explicitly states Quadrillions. Terra is completely populated in stacks and warrens all the way down into the crust, the oceans are boiled away, the entire surface area of earth is inhabited plus a significant volume of the atmosphere by giant spires and buildings and a good chunk of the interior volume by digging down.humans are the skaven of 40k
All but one of the players at my lgs play guard.
>>94428282they did
>>94428314Do we have any more recent surveys since Votann was added as a faction?or one with a larger sample aize
>>94428385Squares and rectangles?
>>94428389that guy must be pretty lonely, with no other player around.
>>94428389That sounds truly awful. Like space marine mirror matches but with tanks and artillery everywhere.
>>94428385A tank commander is the generic tank commander that always existed.
>>94428395>>94428408correct, meaning you can perfectly play pask just by using his model >>94428261 and his rules (tank commander)
>>94428356>>94428367>primary bar dwarfed>B-B-BUT THE BAR WHERE PEOPLE CLICKED YES EVEN IF THEY BOUGHT A SINGLE BOX OF KRIEGERS OR SHOCK TROOPERS IS .05% BIGGER THAN ORKS I WIN I WIN!!!hilarious delusion, no wonder you think guard is popular anywhere outside of tournaments when certain parking lot lists are in the meta
>>94428418It's not his model or his rulesAre you on the spectrum?
>>94428365>n-no you have autism>proceeds to meltdown over lore
>>94428423>Are you on the spectrum?I'm not the one saying pask is no longer pask because the label fell off.
>>94428420You're the one that drew lines from the "owned" bars my guy, take your meds.Not that it's relevant, because now you're just making assumptions.
>>94428420I think you need to remember when that survey was taken. In 2022 guard had been playing 9th with an 8th edition codex for over two years and had a truly awful time at the game table. Anyone that has multiple armies was playing anything but guard so it was unlikely to be anyone's primary just then.
>>94428389Must be strange having an LGS with two players
>>94427019coming out of the closet is acceptable nowadays no worries
>>94428437cope harderif guard sold well they wouldn't have a release schedule as anemic as xenos>>94428441that's not how that poll worked
>>94428365>marines fight other marines in my fluff-less battles>that means you shouldn't be able to play an army of guardsmen reinforced by marines
>>94428423>GW has to specifically tell me who a character is or I won't know its them>you guys must have autism if you don't feel the same wayFace blindness must be hard to live with, I feel bad for you anon
How many "regulars" do you guys have at your LGS?We seem to have about twenty that show up to monthly tournaments and a rotating cast of once-in-while and new player faces of five to ten others at any given time.
We need more abhumans to revitalize the guard. Felinid auxiliaries soon.
>>94428388Carrion Throne also gives the same non-descript "quadrillions" figure.
>>94428457>30-40 guys who will show up every couple months>15-20 guys who show up once a month>3-4 guys who show up every week>1 guy who shows up multiple times a week
>>94428449NTA but guard get multiple new models almost every single year. There's not a single Xenos faction that can claim anything close to that.
>>94428433>>94428454>Arr rook sameYikes
>>94428472>their major refresh and a smattering of random characters proves they sell welllollmao
>>94428449>cope harderaaaand you're out of arguments. Concession accepted, next time learn to read a chart
>>94428479enjoy your anorexic krieger release for 350 dollars plus tip
btw where does this cope vs concession shit come from? if its from the US, ignore my question
>>94428474
>>94428212Literally every single army box floated around for months, the less popular ones years. GW packing in the book no one cares about, cards and little bullshit make people less inclined to buy more than one since no one buys any of that shit so they can't get rid of the extras. That box will be $200-$220 and there will be a million of them for $170 on ebay months after it releases
>>94428433Was the old tank commander pask?
>>94428474>je ne suis pas pask
>>94428485Tourist begone
So just how much of this shit do you think is coming to plastic?
>>94428505One pity hero. Whether that be a quartermaster or a commissar is up to them
>>94428505at best it'll be thisprobably less
>>94428505Not even a quarter
>waacfags trying to convince people we need the old ally system back and disguising it as fluffYou cannot fool me, I have constructed an armor of contempt for my mind.
>>94428505death riders, captain on horse, command squad, special weapons squad, heavy weapons teams, artillery piecethis is the most you can hope for
>>94428509Looks about right. Don't we already have the basic Krieg guardsmen kit though? Did you mean to leave one of the grenadiers?
>>94428515Aquire friends and you won't have to worry about waacfag bugmen coming to beat you at wardollies in pickup games
>>94428501?
>>94428515the contempt for your mind explains your post
>>94428505You're getting a command squad upgrade sprue for the KT, MAYBE grenadiers, deathriders, and an hq
>>94428499GW needs to stop these short-nose designs. Sisters would be salvageable if they didn’t look like deformed Swedes.
>>94428492>Literally every single army box floated around for months,Nope
>>94428212There will be so many of these boxes floating around that there will be shitposts about it for months
>>94428526Ignore anon, he's an amerishart and a nogame terminally online.chances are he already made another early thread with some gay gif, or a blood angel or a slaaneshi picture.
Are drukhari a pain to assemble
>>94428555Not particularly
>>94428555Not really. They're mostly older kits so they come in the old head/body/arms/legs cuts that make them real easy to pose and assemble (and kitbash). The only more complicated ones are their vehicles and pain engines which may require some subassembly to paint more easily.
>>94428549>everyone I don't like is the same personGenuinely deranged
>>94428549they are supremely easy to identify anyway
>>94428212You're right the people that didn't buy them for 10+ years will totally all scramble to buy them now
>>94428549>>94428582Samefag
>>94428571prove me wrong instead of crying.
>>94428586see >>94428571
>>94428585DKoK only reached reddit meme status in the last seven years. There are lots of newer would be fans that might jump on a plastic release wave for them.
>>94428594the cope of the pathetic schizo
>>94428505Are you aware that most of this is just 4 kits? Command Squad, krieg guardsmen(we kinda have it for KT) heavy support squad and death riders. No one need macharius since they released Dorn.
>>94428600see >>94428590
>>94428524part of the fun of the hobby is doing local tournaments and narrative eventsI have way more fun playing against the guy locally running his funlists than the guy showing up with his precisely calculated alliance heavy listthe way it works now is fine, you get to take agents, knights, or daemons, those factions on their own aren't broken but do cover unit gaps in certain armies, and are still fluffy for conversion or counts-as stuff
>>94428585Pretty big difference between dogshit resin kits that cost more than a car and a new plastic release, short queen
>>94428470Which one are you?
>>94428505-Marshall in a Command Squad-One Named character from the new Siege of Vraks novel-New type of Krieg specific heavy weapons team-Death Riders-New Artillery model
>>94428639none of what you just said was accuratecrazy!
>>94428639>a plastic release that's 5% cheaper than the resin kits
>>94428542The Cadia stands box is just a combat patrol, they usually make an additional special box like the one for blood angels that is only run once
>>94428563>>94428569Now that's not very thematic, is it?
>>94428661The cadia stands box was the codex army release box which is exactly the same format as all the other army release boxes that never sell out fast
>>94428645I play about once a month when my friends are available
>>94428582>>94428549Rent free
What's worseno gamesorno models
>>94428687>buzzwords without contextual senseyea I might've found one
>>94428582>>94428549Snowniggers wake up and immediately start whining about their American superiorsTale as old as time
>>94428693no modelsbecause you can be no games but be yes models, but you cant be no models but yes games
>>94428656The resin shit is almost twice the cost
>>94428707Unfortunately there are TTSfaggots who skulk around this thread with zero intentions of ever hobbying
>>94428663DE models aren't a pain to assemble, they do stab and poke you when fully made though and have tons of snap city edges and points sticking out.
>>94428472Holy shit the character ratioThis is stupid
>>94428693never get why people hate on either. you guys getting paid by GW or something?
>>94428747/v/ermin like you aren't worth the dirt you're sitting in
>>94428713
>>94428499>Mmh, I need to pass myself as pask...>Shave hair>Put cap on>Scar my face, fuck it just blundgeon my mug>voila, they won't see the differenceY i k e s>>94428490Ironic...
>>94428751>you dont agree hence you must belong to videogamers!ah of course
>>94428693No models is significantly, incomparably worse.
Will pay someone $5 if they can get the lid off this
>>94428758yes yes cope and seethe however you like /v/erminkeep crying that it's hilariously easy to filter out your posts by simply saying "post models with timestamp"
>>94428768tldr just saw that flood of buzzwords and knew the rest
>>94428773you tourists can't even use the phrases you use properly lmao
>>94428766the fuck is that
>>94428752And?
>>94428766man I hated those. you could try slightly warming them up, but theyre so old, I'm not sure you can still open them>>94428776quite old painting pots from around 2000s>>94428775it's funny you're talking about the correct usage of certain phrases just one post later.
>>94427262Allegedly it's "glowing" that color because the gas is ionized by radiation. So maybe if you were at the centre of it, space would look red all around you, everywhere you look is behind a curtain of ionized hydrogen
>>94428747Secondaries deserve the rope
>>94428822He's right though.There's nothing wrong with you lacking a PhD either, just when you give medical advice without one
>>94428846If the secondaries just lurked instead of trying to throw their opinions into the pot then we wouldn't have an issue with them because we wouldn't know they existed. Problem is that the tourists believe their opinions are valid and will spend all day shitting up a thread for a game they've never played and have no intention of doing so at any point in the future
>>94428747"Look at them so you don't look at me"Assholes thrive on drama and division
>>94427321that's actually one of the bits I hate the most about the primaris story. First time I read it, I genuinely thought it was hyperbole sarcasm
New thread:>>94428901>>94428901>>94428901
>>94428896>if I samefag hours later noone will know it's me hehe
>>94428907what purpose would that samefagging even serve? to fool people into thinking that there is more hate for primaris out there than there actually is?some of you kids really try to fit in too hard
Why do the dark eldar feel so right without them being overly edgy and grimpderp? No other setting could have the dark eldar and present them seriously yet 40k pulls it off
>>94428766You don't have a wrench?
>>94427358>it's not gay>second most homo faction after furfags
>>94425166This was the biggest PR disaster they’ve had beyond raising the prices to allow for alternative and proxy models to blow up.If they had kept with the “every gw dude, kitbashed model, or proxy is valid” would have fostered a deeper appreciation of the game and nurtured those poor kids to stick with the game far into the future.Honestly, this can be solved by everyone owning a piece of the fucking company and telling them to get back to their fucking roots.
>>94425166using the original obliterator models on their 25mm bases was really funny
