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>read into different kinds of spirituality and conspiracy theory
>one common overlap is the idea that eating meat is bad for you spiritually, and also bad karma
Okay, I get where this train of thought comes from, but the alternative is plant life, which is still life. Isn’t it simply arrogant to conclude that everything’s all good if we just kill plants instead? We barely have a tenuous grasp of how our own consciousness works, if even one at all. How are we supposed to know whether or not plants experience the universe, at the very least in their own way? This conundrum has plagued my spiritual development for over a decade now, at a certain point I felt I was forced to give up and just accept that maybe there really is no difference, and to just eat meat as I please. I’ve found recently, however, that this reasoning is starting to fail me these days, I don’t know if I can maintain it. But all that said, I still cannot manage to reconcile the notion that there is no truly benevolent way of living. To live, by nature, is to kill; there is no circumventing this law. How do I move past this problem towards an answer that makes sense? If you guys have struggled with this as well, I really want to know what you think as well
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>>41803702
The point is not to try to abstain from the sin of consuming the living. It is unavoidable, so we must sin to survive. The point is to make your deeds outweigh your sins before you leave this plain. Make the most of what you eat so that others and children may eat and be merry as well. This is why gluttony and sloth part of seven deadly sins: to over eat or be lazy wastes the energy of the food.

Whether you’re vegetarian or vegan, the act of eating is more than just eating. Immense work went into planting the food, caring for the crop, harvesting it, selecting it, shipping it. I believe this is why processed foods have such a negative aura: a single pack of cookies needs the coordination of hundreds, sometimes thousands of workers to even make it to your home.

My point is that yes meat does require sacrifice of a sentient being, but sometimes being an unscrupulous consumer can land you in the same karmic pit. The answer is to make the most of what you eat, regardless. We live so that others may live.
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>>41804276
yeah I kinda agree. these insider threads are shilled here more than other stuff. the minds of the masses are the goal. the schizos who post 80% of shit on this board are the minority. the lurkers who sift through shit seem like the prime targets
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>>41803814
I mean this is the logic both elites and third world scum use to justify their own parasitic existences. Way of life, way things go, stop us and we won’t do it, be smarter and you won’t be prey.
vegetarians and veganism is a pysop to keep you weak physically and mentally. The clarity and over health improvement from eating meat, a good steak, is deeply understood by humans, we don’t need eggheads to know steak and eggs will make you feel much more alive, vitality abounds, whereas a bowl of watery oatmeal (much better at least with milk and butter) maybe edges away hunger for a while but doesn’t really give off big enegrons. Jeet males have the same grip strength as Caucasian women. It is de-evolution. You are an apex predator, face it anon. You can aim to live and eat ethically, local ranches and farms who treat their animals well. Also when they hooked up plants to things like polygraph, they react to be stimuli including be eaten or other plants being harmed in some way. So there is no winning this with your logic unless you figure out airism, or living off sunlight, perhaps fruit only but I think that road leads to death (and eating ALLLL day like some hippo just trying to maintain the caloric energy needed to be alive and chew more fruit). We ain’t in the best yuga, food isn’t just milk and honey and blue butter or milk or whatever, we don’t have access to manna whatever that was. We are in the times we are in, best you could do is hunt and catch your own, after that buy from local hunters or fishermen if you live somewhere like that. Next step up is as mentioned before local ranch, family owned farm. Worst you can do is Walmart factory meat but also, not all of us can afford more. Be grateful to the animals for their part in life cycles, accept your own. It is hubris to fight it and proclaim “I’m better than”, true growth is embracing the natural and ones true role in it.
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>>41803702
I can read the animals life while I'm consuming it, like the quality. If you continually have something in your diet, then you have a quantum calculation on you. I was told off for picking on the fish. Go grow something.
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>>41803759
i need open heart surgery but im too scared of the pain and cant face it. im scared that ill go to hell for not taking care of my body when i could have if i die without surgeries.

This thing here is a female angel I think. Of testing.She tells me to do bad like the devil but like she doesn't want me to do it. In a half hearted way.

She's done miracles that could have been what Jesus did in the Bible. God has NOT REMOVED her healing ability.

She's either teleported me too or I blacked out.

She told me God has some devils that ARE NOT FALLEN that tell you to do bad things that you have to resist, angels of testing.

Does God send people female angels of testing and punishment disguised as succubi to fuck with us? The female spirit here has alluded to it may be Gods humor.
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>want succubus to impregnate
>get female spirit cop that wont fuck that makes me work

That feel.
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>>41805117
The govt has a new exotic virus. It transforms anyone, even women, into young hot 22 year old girls. What out. The next time you get a hottie in bed she may be infected and if you sleep with her you'll be transformed during sex into a hot bimbo as well. Then you'll find yourself having lesbian sex
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What was Lucifer's role before the fall? He was the Accuser. He was the Prosecution, a divine lawyer you could say.
That was how Lucifer 'tested' Job's faith. Read the book of Job.
There are purposes for Angels and Devils, or God would have removed them.
Real faith needs testing. The Devils are the one's who test Man's faith.
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>>41805147
Is Lucifer even fallen or does he just pretend to be the evil to test humans?

God may have locked a truly purely destructive murderous thing in hell already.

I dont know though, I'm not God, theoriziing

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>>41805009
Depends on your intent. People who take magick seriously practice the kabbalah, work on the chakras, study the Tao, etc to be in the right mindset. If you approach an entity wanting something out of them from the get-go, thinking it's a joke, or trying to take advantage of them they'll know and twist it on you. If you take communicating with them unseriously they won't take you serious either.
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How cute

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Welcome to Divination General! Come here for readings and a discussion of theory/practice.
Every method is welcome: Tarot, Runes, Cartomancy, Scrying, Pendulum, Cleromancy, I-Ching, Digital, Oracles, Tasseomancy, Necromancy, etc.

>If you're NEW, please READ the STICKY:
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>Guides made by some of our readers:
•/div/ starter spreads:
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>>41804826
Thx
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>>41804866
Q
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>>41804890
Interesting, I was practicing drawing someone sitting in a throne like object. The queen of wands is sat almost like the subject i was practicing
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AQ
Is the guy working at N married ? Could he be interested in me ?

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I want NO ONE to interact with me, but being an asshole just makes them do that more. I want to become a literal nightmare. I want to have tears rolling and eyes darting for the exits before I even speak. It's just a hard thing to fake, is all, so what do?
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>>41800507
Why does this exist? Also does it work?
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>>41800443
Not that bro but relate strongly so here's what's worked in the wild for this one: avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

When inna wild avoid areas people hang out, so they don't ask for a goddamn thing. If they ask you failed. Skip lines and wait times, skip doing things in public.

Deter means to redirect in a way so being repellant or gross is good. You can be clean and obnoxious too. Cough cough. Give no friendly vibes, do not smile or offer welcome or reassurance.

As soon as they turn their face to you shake your head no and say no thanks, hand up and in front ready to defend. After you roll a head most get the idea.

Be ready to be hated and rejected.
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>>41802407
Better to be feared than loved if you can't have both. Uncle Mach speaks verse.
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this website is a bunch of fucking weirdos like nigga what
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>>41800401
Play League of Legends Solo Queue as Fill and everytime you roll jungle, lock Yuumi.

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You got EMPTY. The appearance of this card suggests someone who has been or may be going through a period of loss, grief, or despair due to one form of death or another. It signifies an underlying discomfort about a situation that you felt ended abruptly, or a kind of psychological closure that you haven’t yet allowed yourself to receive from you. It signifies a blockage in the mind, formed possibly from an overwhelming fear or perceived inability to cope with life’s most vicious and brutal realities.
It is encouraged for one who sees this card to remember their timelessness, and paradoxical nature as both a temporary and eternal idea in time as well as the absence of time, in both consciousness and unconsciousness there is only you, even and especially in your absence. There is nothing to be afraid of except the illusion of being real, or of ever having had something to lose in the first place. Yes, many things will be lost, and many things will be given back and lost again, but there is something to you that can never be taken away, a possession that you will never lose, and it is one that transcends both death and life and everything in between. It is a divine inheritance and the diamond in the rough.
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>>41805135
You got EYE, EYE, EYE. The appearance of this card suggests someone who is self-imposing an obstruction on their awareness either out of fear or a perceived necessity to avoid certain emotional outcomes that could result from a raw mental or interpersonal confrontation. It may signify someone who is lacking information, not out of ignorance, though that may be the case, it could also be a simple matter of nescience.
It is encouraged for one to practice courage over all demons of mind and matter, and to remember the soul's ultimate timelessness in the face of all tragedy, illness, and destruction. Remember that correct communication and right frequency is the bridge between matter and souls.
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>>41805137
Appreciate it, Anon. Godspeed.
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>>41805141
You got I NEED THAT. The appearance of this card suggests the presence of someone who may feel heartbroken in one or more areas of their life, or may perhaps find themselves feeling that way soon. It suggests a feeling of being abandoned by someone or something, and traumatized by an event or a series of events which have occurred or are yet to occur, which may have been or will be mentally shattering, resulting in a mental and perhaps physical exhaustion or isolation.
It represents alienation, resentment, being at the receiving end of cruelty or judgment, or feeling overwhelmed by physical or psychological pain. It is encouraged for one who sees this card to take heed of their fellowship with the spirits of eternity and to try to see their lives and the events within them more through the eyes of a benevolent creator rather than their own. You have the power to interpret the data you’re receiving through your senses, the subtext of existence, those hidden nuances of being which are to be uncovered if ever you are to revive whatever generative forces of power be dead or dormant within yourself, let every moment be a personal resurrection of productive attitudes and drives.

A school to Secure, Contain and Protect has to be made. Too long has man cowered under the Darkness of the supernatural and the unknown. Its time to shine the light of reason and learn how to defend ourselves.
Thread Question
>What are your plans to learn on this new year?
Useful reference manuals
>Math
A Course of Pure Mathematics by G.H. Hardy
Calculus by Michael Spivak
Advanced Calculus by Nickerson, Spencer and co.
>Signals and Systems
Classical Electrodynamics by Konstantin K Likhaerev
>Computing
In order to decode spectral signals, one must use CS tools.
Algorithms by Sanjoy Dasgupta
SCPI
>Paranormal Research

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>>41804178
Would need to probe it, not sure if I could survive that
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http://www.voss-gesellschaft.de/der%20wehrwolf.htm
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>>41804315
Why do they change their name in such a way?
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>>41797187
nta but modernism is associated with laxity, aka cutting material with tin. inheritance is associated with value and purity
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>>41781461
reread it namefag

Welcome. The purpose of this general is to show you how to use your own wonderful human imagination to achieve your every desire.

The world and all within it is man’s conditioned consciousness objectified. Consciousness is the cause as well as the substance of the entire world. So it is to consciousness that we must turn if we would discover the secret of creation. Knowledge of the law of consciousness and the method of operating this law will enable you to accomplish all you desire in life.

Your assumptions right now decide how long that will take for you.

The Main Concepts:
> Imagination creates Reality
> Assumptions harden into fact
> Consciousness is the only Reality
> Feeling is the Secret
> Prayer, Living in the End/In the Wish Fulfilled (remaining Faithful to your Idea)
> You are the Operant Power
> There is no one to change but Self (Self-Concept)
> Thinking Fourth-Dimensionally (Time is an Illusion)

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>>41805049
You thought wrong. You aren’t doing any of this with sitting there and just believing. Sort yourself out.
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>>41805055
I meant as i understand advanced topics like reality shifting i might be able to do it
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>>41805094
>advanced
You think that’s advanced? You actually spent any time looking at it? Daydreaming for most, lucid dreaming for just a few and a million dumb stories of hogwarts during the pandemic when it was at its peak
You are going to be disappointed if you expect advanced levels of thinking with it,
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>>41805100
lucid dreaming is reddit tier, bucko.
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>>41805102
You can’t read champ but that’s all you’ll ever get to with reality shifting bud.
For that matter pal all of the reality shitting techniques come from your Reddit friends anyway.
This is not even a really shitting thread bro. Wipe your ass chum.

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LOA, reality shifting, magick, oneirosophy, gateway patterning, sorcery, and others, you are all welcome.

(If you don't believe, fine, just move on and leave us alone.)

To begin with, do we have some evidence that our mind can indeed influence reality, even just a little?
First thing that comes to mind is the famous double-slit experiment, where observation changes the behavior of particles. The researches of Dean Radin with random number generators also tend to prove that our mind has an influence on matter and reality. Anything else?

According to sorcery we are only co-creators, and elements, planets, dates help. How and why?
Believing seems to be a very important part. Some rituals can look superfluous and useless, but if they help you believe, they're still a good thing.

Do you have a theory or an interesting experience to share? Something really improbable that you got to manifest? What method do you use?
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>>41791203
Recommend techniques for reslity shifting
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Dropping some truth-bombs from myself, various books + my Higher Self:

>“If you repeat a thought, or say a word, over and over again – not once, not twice, but dozens, hundreds, thousands of times – do you have any idea of the creative power of that? A thought or a word expressed and expressed and expressed becomes just that – expressed. That is, pushed out. It becomes outwardly realised. It becomes your physical reality." – God (“Conversations With God: Book 1”)

>The universe mirrors the energy that you hold. If you're in a victim-based mindset – holding a low vibrational mindset about yourself – you get those results back from the universe. On the other hand, if you improve your perception about yourself – and start to believe that you're capable of much more – then you'll receive more and more from the universe. Reality can be as beautiful as our thoughts will allow.

>We make realities out of our thoughts, and thoughts out of our realities. We are the dream and the dreamer.

>"All of humanity has been spending its life waiting to live life, imagining it to be somewhere over the horizon. You cannot have anything you want, for to want something is to affirm that it is not already a present reality. This affirmation becomes your experience. When you truly have something, you no longer want it, for it is already a present reality. Waiting = wanting = want = poverty. Each 'want' is a fractal the mind travels down, thinking there will be an end to it, endlessly chasing the horizon, thinking if they just keep going – just get a little bit closer – they will finally grasp and taste it. And if it should finally arrive, before they can taste it – truly taste it – it is gone, quickly passing them by. This madness is the human condition. It is the root cause of all suffering.” – Higher Self (Personal Revelation)
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>>41802753
They are different.
Reality shifting tends to invoke a similar state to one if the LOA techniques. In LOA it is often called sats but it gets called a phase number in gateway project and non-larpers call it the hypnagogic state.
Some LoA techniques don’t use it at all.
Either way both are larping so whatever.
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All this LOA stuff is basically just prayer but for new agers?

If LOA works then do something like change your hair color, or eye color, or height. Or make your eyesight 20/20 if you wear contacts / glasses, or heal a scar. If you can't command your body to do simple things how can you command external reality?
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>>41805133
I changed my eyesight from 17.75/20 to 20/20

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>>41800638
There is no sin, You're just actively blaming yourself for your problems, In Reality there is no sin no nothing.
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>>41804965
I know this is a humor thread but if someone could tell me more about that topic I'd appreciate it. I feel like I'm perpetually stuck in the middle of those exact two philosophies.
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>>41805091
you exist as infinitely nested sliding scales. if you had to separate it into two, yin and yang come to mind.
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>>41805098
Thanks. So we are supposed to eternally go back and forth? Or is there a way to make them coexist?
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>>41805091
>I feel like I'm perpetually stuck in the middle of those exact two philosophies.
As you should be. Pure yang and pure yin are the domain of gods and dead people, normal humans are supposed to embody both principles

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WELCOME TO /hellenism/
Worship the Theoi, debate philosophy, discuss rites, and dive deep into Platonism & the mystical traditions of Antiquity.

This general covers:
>Hellenic Polytheism / Classical cult practice; Modern reconstruction & devotional work; Neoplatonism, Platonism, and philosophical theology; Mystery religions: Eleusinian Mysteries, Dionysian rites, Orphism; Theurgy, mystical practice, and esoteric Hellenism; Gods, daimones, heroes, and the Unknown God; History, syncretism, and revivalist approaches

Core Topics
— Platonism & Neoplatonism
>Plotinus’ hierarchy: The One Intellect Soul.
>How does contemplation of the One fit into devotional practice?
>Ethical living, virtue, and mystical ascent in a modern context.
— Theurgy & Mystical Practice
>Iamblichus & Proclus: ritual as communion with the divine.
>How do you integrate theurgy with worship of the Gods?
>Mystical techniques: chanting, visualization, meditation, sacred geometry.

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Despite all the ridiculous things that make up parts of this religious belief, and the caliber of online insane children that attest to it, Hellenic traditional religious beliefs have one important thing going for it: they happen to be based in fact, and are closest to the “real situation” as it stands.
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>>41804028
Have you read this book? What is it about?

You know Plethon is an interesting figure. Apparently, he came from a very rural area of the Pelepponese where the townspeople still practiced Hellenism. So he made contact and can be said to have carried the flame of this living tradition. Taking Hellenistic faith to Byzantium and then from there to Florence, which kicked off the Renaissance and then Enlightenment. He was a truly remarkable and radical figure, way ahead of his time while at the same time being from Antiquity. His life totally disproves Abrahamslop agitprop against Hellenism
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Finally a culture that deifies small pps.

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I have a huge momcest fetish. I can't seem to be able to get rid of it so how can I move past it? I want to accept it without acting on it so it doesn't control my life anymore. I believe in God and sometimes I wonder if this is some kind of test or something but apparently I keep failing over and over again
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>>41803637
youre allowed one sniff if you don't get caught
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>>41803035
You are the test, so set yourself up for success.

Keep that stuff out of your senses, actively hate it and avoid it. Your mind is your circus but elders say 'banish the thought'. Simply ban that shit from being around you. Find another passtime.
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>>41803035
God uses his ability to rape my mind almost exclusively to manufacture retarded lies. He thinks being able to rape my mind allows him to define truth or add credibility to his lies but it just makes him more retarded and evil. He thinks he can claim ownership of any dark haired woman in the world and claim they're "his wife" and if I think about any dark haired woman he thinks he can lie and claim that I'm thinking about his retarded tranny self-insert's wife. If I think about camgirls or my girlfriend when I was 19 he'll lie and claim I'm thinking about "his wife", he does the same with literally anything. If I think about a thin large breasted camgirl he'll lie and claim I'm thinking about some obese rat ogre bitch who looks nothing like her, he does the same when I think about the tall hot thin blonde model than I had a crush on in 9th grade because he's completely delusional. He tells these retarded lies and genuinely seems to think that the fact that he rapes my mind somehow makes these lies credible because he's a delusional retard.

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>>41805081
Assume the sex position, Donald.
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>>41805081
do u think fucking humans is a part of their 4 part earth tour?
>40 ^^ to travel to earth and live the human experience! birth, fucking, shitting, death

Thread for creepy/paranormal/unexplained stuff you witnessed as a kid. Particularly stuff that was impactful enough to shape the way you behave or how you saw the world afterwards. Having such experiences so young kinda warps what you're willing to accept as real going forward. I'll start:

>6 years old in the Summer of 1999, my parents told me that I was allowed to dig in a certain portion of our house’s yard along the side of the house.
>Best friend would come over every day after school and we would dig with garden trowels for fun.
>He's crouched to my left digging alongside me one day, and as I turned to speak to him I saw a spiky black ball floating about two and a half feet off the ground.
>It looked like a matte black sea urchin, the body portion was roughly basketball-sized, with approximately one foot long spikes protruding in every direction.
>Didn't have a metallic or reflective surface. My friend saw my eyes go wide and he looked as well.
>It passes by us close enough that I could have reached out and touched it.
>It first floated past him, then past me, and through our wooden fence without breaking form whatsoever.
>It phased through like one would imagine a ghost walking through a solid object.
>Lastly, it turned around the corner to the front of the house and I never saw it again.
>I ask my buddy if he saw that too
>He describes the same thing I had seen.
>Almost wish I hadn’t asked him first, because now I can’t write this off as my imagination.
>Recently found him online and asked him if he remembers the event as it has been over 25 years.

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WhenI was young, between 4 to 10 maybe I would see these quickly moving blurred figures "dash" down hallways and through doorways. I wouldn't see these all the time but it happened often enough. For example:
>be me
>maybe 5,watching tv at grandma's house
>grandmawas a chainsmoker, and the house was always dark
>commercials come on, instinctively lookto my right where the hallway connects the kitchen, living room, and bedroom+bathroom
>skin-colored (peachy tan?) blur streaks down the hallway from my grandma's bedroom into the kitchen
>could almost make out the shape of a man jogging but it was so fast it really just looked like streaks
>there's nothing in the kitchen
I saw this mostly just at my grandma's house before she moved. Don't really know what was up with it but even now when I am alone I've always felt like I'm being watched.
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Parents had a hexagonal or octagonal window in their room. One night when i was real young and sleeping in their bed, i saw little people moving around on the window sill.
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>>41767932
I WILL LOOP
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>>41799062
I'll be your friend. You play games? Move to ID and play dnd


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