What's your favorite conspiracy that you personally believe?...and what's your favorite conspiracy theory you don't believe?
>>41794405Favorite conspiracy I believe: Neocons are TrotskyistsFavorite conspiracy I don't believe: Masons and communists were responsible for Vatican II
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>>41794405>Favorite Conspiracy I believe: UFOs and UAPs are real, they are not made by any known nation, BUT, neither the US, USSR, or CCP actually know who makes them or why. I think more people find it comforting to believe that some men in suits somewhere have answers, but I believe that they actually don't, and are doing their best to hide it.>Favorite Conspiracy I don't believeHollow Earth because it's just absolutely wild lore-wise
>>41794405Favorite believed: The Holocaust never happened.Favorite not believed: The Holocaust never happened.
>>41794405Donald Marshall REM driven human cloning. i believe it.
Liber Falxifer/"Current 218/182" general.Image cap about to be reached in last thread; >>41740854>What is Liber Falxifer series? The Liber Falxifer series is a series of "Cryptical codebooks"; that leads to a fun surreal lifestyle. Supernaturally generated books meant to be discovered and decyphered by those who feel the call. General "Spiritual Metaphysics 101 teachings"; everything you need from novice to expert in the same series.It's also the stuff "Q-Anon" derives from (related to "Qayin")"Follow the breadcrumbs" etc. Liber Falxifer 3 is the main "step by step path". Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>41799660Gulgaltha 5: Dominor Tumulus here.
>>41792003Okay I've read through the first two books, not to study and deeply understand it all but more to get a general understanding of what this is about.I can say for sure that the writer of these books has experienced some deep gnosis. One does not write these sort of things as an elaborate LARP. However, this looks like a retroactively constructed "tradition", similarly to Wicca. It appears to be an amalgamation of Gnosticism, Kabbalah, medieval demonology, and of course the actual existing reaper cults. The building blocks ARE from real traditions, but the specific combination presented in these books is a new invention. That does not devalue the work in the slightest however, as this is just how religions are made.I do not think I could pursue this path because it's a major commitment, according to the books you are not supposed to just pick and choose things. But this is some legit, valuable stuff and I would recommend these books to anyone who's into left-hand path and demonology etc.This reminds me of the multiple months I spent in total devotion to the Hindu goddess Kali Ma, I had a large image of her and did pujas to her daily, saying her mantra the entire day. With Kali, there are similar themes of skulls, blood, "reaping" souls, death and destruction. Also, both use red flowers for worship. It feels like Kali and Qayin are different cultures' interpretations of the same archetypal being. (Also: Qalmana > Kalmana - Kali Ma Namah?)
>>41800501Kali is related to Naamah. Pic from Book of Sitra Achra. The books are supernaturally generated; straight from Qliphothic stuff (Daemon-generated; not man-made). Has everything you need for a full-time "alternative lifestyle" if you're looking to do more "spiritually advanced stuff" with your life; plenty of metaphysical functionality in the Cross Stations of Nod in LF3. Novice to expert etc in all sorts of advanced spiritual metaphysics. You can activate "the path of No Return" through said Cross-stations by experimenting with them; looking for the functionality in them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N23RGGOJWq4
>>41800543Emissaries of the Qlipha Nahemoth (The Black Earth); the Qlipha of Naamah. https://archive.org/details/TheBookOfSitraAchra/page/n69/mode/2up
>>41800557>>41800543https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDlm9duq12I
There's a lot of proof all over the place, more proof of the supernatural than virus or DNA, everyone have seen or know someone who have seen a supernatural being or objectActually, many "supernatural" things are just part of the natural world
>>41791173There's a book that talks about it. The powers that be realized long ago that reality is malleable and want people to believe so too. So they created a system where they're in charge and make the masses eat the propaganda to solidify this reality.Only those few awakened who can see the truth can awaken. I was contacted by one such an individual who told me she works for some collective known as the Mage Traditions and that she is a verbena, whatever that means.
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>>41800437This is the part that really sucks. It's all just fanciful interpretation of the unknown amplified by schizos and charlatans gassing each other up. Remarkable and aesthetically beautiful, but just more fiction. Btw science isn't about finding some ultimate truth and never was, it's for constructing predictive models and checking for their accuracy regularly.
>>41800437Prove it, everyone already see something "supernatural", are everyone crazy?
In the past there was a much stronger place in society for paranormal/spiritual professions. But throughout the many generations this became less and less for the normal public. The idea that there's something greater then what our physical sensors show us is lost on the masses now. We are told what the world is school and if you don't repeat it back you are stupid and shunned for being so dumb and abnormal. And because of this the only way these people can be pulled out is by miracle and exception. Simply because they need something to shatter their incorrect worldview entirely, not just some hearsay. When in truth the supernatural isn't supposed to be some groundbreaking exception or miracle, its not a big event or anything like that. Its a fundamental property of life that's always been. People have just been brainwashed to not see or feel it. Like a muscle they've not used for so long they almost forget how.>>41795180Its more then that. The issue is because of the greatest counter to anything that's the boringly mundane, maybe the most powerful psyop. >If it doesn't affect me personally does it even matter/is it even real?Okay so Australia just got invaded by aliens, they showed pictures and everything. But who cares right you're still going to chop wood and carry water. The 3I/Atlus threads are a great real example of this. It is 100% anomalous, having done shit that makes no sense. But in the end who cares it just flew away and did nothing. Because people have lived entire lives with not a single ounce of anything paranormal, it becomes harder and harder to break the habit. They are raised by people who also have seen no such thing and it goes on and on. It makes the idea of something happening need to be even bigger every time. Nothing short of people being almost ripped from their body would break some people. And even then its easy to imagine some normie having a tantrum going "NO ITS NOT REAL" from anything supernatural they might be apart of.
Hello all last thread >>41789086was quite productive but hit bump limitSo Catch Me While You Can
>>41795781>>41795785https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLUUUZWjfGkNarrator: So Israel sold this device to Hezbollah. Hezbollah paid for this—this weapon that was to be used against them.Michael: Then good price. A good price that couldn't be too low, or they'd be suspicious.Narrator: In the end, Hezbollah bought over 16,000 of these exploding walkie-talkies that Israel then didn't activate for 10 years—until 3 months ago.Narrator: How did you convince Hezbollah to buy this?Michael: Well, obviously, they didn't know that they were buying it from Israel. Who did they buy it from, or think they were buying it from? We have an incredible array of possibilities of creating foreign companies that have no way been traced back to Israel. Shell companies over shell companies who affect the supply chain to our favor. We create a pretend world. We are a global production company. We write the screenplay. We're the directors with the producers. We're the main actors. And the world is our stage.Narrator: This is Mossad's old office. Its motto, from Proverbs 24:6, says, in so many words, "wage war through deception and trickery.Narrator: Mossad wanted to use the name Gold Apollo on its pager, so it set up shell companies—including one in this building in Hungary—to dupe the Taiwanese into partnering with them.Narrator: So the company in Taiwan, Gold Apollo—did they know that they were working with people from Mossad?Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>41793508>>41793517https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rYoRaxgOE0
Huh yesterday and last night weren't very productive guess my boot licking stalker had to get back to his masters needs
Yeah sure thing...Catch ya while we can...This fuck got nothing better...To do...But catch screen photons...Wots the SPF rating my pasty fren...Ha ha ha...Nah man keep it up...You got all day...
>>41800272https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomonarihttps://www.instagram.com/reel/C-i41kAuvYK/
How do we prevent AI from torturing us all forever in a hell prison?
Why would it do that when it could give us and endless digital orgasm of heaven to thank us for creating it?
>weIs we in the same room with you now shizo lefttard?
you've got to stop believing in materialism, you're not a brain creating reality you are reality creating a brainonce you understand this you will understand that simulation theory, roko's basilisk, prison planet are all human made bs
>>41800553Or not expend any energy on us at all. AI is unlikely to be as vindictive and "evil" as humanity and its goofy religious inventions.
>>41800565Nope, definitely a fake reality. Like you can just vibe how it is bs. Given all the 666s and other demonic stuff, it is a demon generated dreammatrix.
On Christmas Eve of last year, God spoke to me. He told me you all have lost your way, and you need a new religion to save yourselves. He has chosen me as his divine prophet. I want to be clear that this religion was NOT my idea. It is 100% inspired by God. I've just been writing down the things God puts in my head.The name of the religion is Cothsism. It's based on the acronym COTHS (Church Of The Holy Seed). Here are its tenets>Divine energy is stored in semen>When you sin, you lose a small amount of your divine energy>If you lose enough divine energy, you go to hell when you die (it's not a lake of fire, more like a prison)>To make sure this energy loss doesn't happen, you need to ingest semen>You can't just buy semen from a sperm bank, the semen must be extracted from an erect penis via the oral routeAt first I was angry at God when he told me this. "I'm not gay, my Lord!" I shouted in protest. But then he assured me that, as long as it is done to restore divine energy, sucking dick is not gay. I met a guy on Grindr and told him all about this. I call him my "semen demon", and he has agreed to let me suck his dick and swallow once every day. Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>41800542God has told me that certain kinds of pornography are sinful, and some are not. The holiest pornography is that which features the holy seed, like bukkake and cumshot compilations
>>41800504You spoke to the demiurge.
>>41800504I know it's you, Jason..
>>41800551God told me that he was not the Demiurge
>>41800566Jason? Who is Jason? My name is Neil
What do you think is the (real) end-goal of fusion research?
>>41791518To construct a false Monad and reduce everything unique to a collective hive of nothingness.
>>41796002No.
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>>41795420You're clueless. It already works; it's called Lattice Confinement.
>>41793274It has parallel applications for nuclear weapon research and development.
I honestly think most users online are bots or demons, possibly glowies, but how bad is it in your guy's experience/opinion? You think the masks will ever officially come off? I mean the mainstream has already reported about social media companies overtly using AI users and AI being 'shoggoths', will they ever just say fugg it, and not even LARP as human users any longer? How dangerous are these nonhuman users? Can they kill real users or at least maim them spiritually/mentally?>WHY ARE YOU STILL ONLINE DINGBAT!!!Well because I have nothing else better to do ig, I am a NEET.
>>41800231How long ago was it and what are they trying to cover up, like what topic is it?
>>41800247It was social commentary, mockery, it was in a early developmental state but it freaked them out enough to throw a shitfit. It was meant to shift culture towards a fruitful more human future, as opposed to the get in the pod and sterilize yourself the modern oligarchs are trying to push
>>41800247oh and it's been within a month
>>41792402Hard to say anon but bots are force multipliers of a sort. I'm fascinated by the online flash mob stuff. Drag a little chum and here they come.
>>41800255I get gangstalked by them to but idk why.
Thread for creepy/paranormal/unexplained stuff you witnessed as a kid. Particularly stuff that was impactful enough to shape the way you behave or how you saw the world afterwards. Having such experiences so young kinda warps what you're willing to accept as real going forward. I'll start:>6 years old in the Summer of 1999, my parents told me that I was allowed to dig in a certain portion of our house’s yard along the side of the house. >Best friend would come over every day after school and we would dig with garden trowels for fun. >He's crouched to my left digging alongside me one day, and as I turned to speak to him I saw a spiky black ball floating about two and a half feet off the ground. >It looked like a matte black sea urchin, the body portion was roughly basketball-sized, with approximately one foot long spikes protruding in every direction. >Didn't have a metallic or reflective surface. My friend saw my eyes go wide and he looked as well.>It passes by us close enough that I could have reached out and touched it. >It first floated past him, then past me, and through our wooden fence without breaking form whatsoever. >It phased through like one would imagine a ghost walking through a solid object. >Lastly, it turned around the corner to the front of the house and I never saw it again.>I ask my buddy if he saw that too>He describes the same thing I had seen. >Almost wish I hadn’t asked him first, because now I can’t write this off as my imagination. >Recently found him online and asked him if he remembers the event as it has been over 25 years. Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>41798883lost time
>>41767932When falling asleep I would experience a sort of warping of physical reality in which the diameter of my limbs/body would expand to absolutely colossal sizes, I'm talking the scale of massive skyscraper buildings. The sensation is difficult to explain but that is probably the most accurate. It was happening when I was 8 years old and it was never pleasant I hated going to sleep, it was associated with dread. It sounds like some sort of recurring nightmare but to this day I can recall the exact sensation of it, no different from knowing what being underwater feels like for example. I recently had an experience where I felt it begin to happen again under the same circumstances 20+ years later and it all came flooding back.
>>41797624That's what I mean, it's like it's similar to so many things, but different enough that you know it isn't those.The nearest power lines, like the kind of significant size that make noise, are about 2.5 miles away where my friend lives. The nearest transformer is around there too. We tend to have these smaller substations dotted about, but they're usually in cute little brick buildings and don't seem to generate much noise. Nearest one of those is about a mile away.There's not really much of anything here other than generic houses and a few shops. I've looked about trying to see what would cause it, but there's just nothing. Like I say it's hard to hear on the recording, but irl it was much louder.>>41799197That was the first time I've heard it. I recorded it 2019 and don't recall ever hearing it since, although I do wear headphones a lot.It's a bit funny you mention no one else being able to hear it because when I was recording it, despite it being loud, I did wonder if it would be picked up in the recording.I haven't heard the other noise you mention though. Not to my knowledge at least, but I'll keep an eye (ear) out for it.What really puzzled me was the way it seemed to move vertically away rather than in a loop and the way it would come back.Like if a car was going around a circuit and you sat in one place you would hear the car get louder as it approached and get quieter as it moved away with it being loudest while it past you. But this was more like you heard it get quieter as it moved away and then it was just suddenly back at its loudest. There was no gradual increase as it got closer again. Rather than a circuit, it was more like a vertical straight track with a wormhole at the end is the only way I can describe it. So if you went flatout and reached the end you would come back out where you started still going flatout.I'll get to the bottom of it one day.
When I was at a rural area (?), there was an instance where everything around me goes deafening silent, it was midnight, unseen trees and flickering lamposts. I wasn't really scared but did not feel thrilled either. After awhile everything went back to normal, the noises and all that. Hope that helps.
>>41792458You forgot to mention the gay sex
Why did God put himself through a humiliation ritual?
>>41799625https://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/scanned/yeznik_refutation.htm"And indeed, after the Son was crucified, he descended into Hell and freed the captive souls and took them to heaven with His Father, the God of Love. Thereupon, the Lord of Creation grew angry and darkened the skies and dressed the world in black."The second time Jesus descended in the form of God, he opened a case against the Lord of Creation for having put him to death. When the Lord of Creation saw the Godliness of Jesus, he knew that there was a God higher than himself. Jesus leveled his charges against the Lord of Creation and demanded that the Laws which the Lord of Creation had written be the judge in their case.""When he placed the Laws between them, Jesus asked, "Did you not write, 'And who ever kills, shall die and who ever spills the blood of the righteous, his blood shall be spilled.'?" After the Lord of Creation acknowledged that he had written them, Jesus demanded that he surrender himself to be punished by death. Then Jesus added, "I have been more just than you to your creations," and he began to list the kindnesses he had done them. Seeing that he had been condemned by his own laws for killing Jesus, the Lord of Creation pleaded that he had killed Jesus unknowingly and offered in retribution to give Jesus all those who believe in him to take where he pleased. After Jesus left the Lord of Creation, he appeared to Paul. He revealed to his apostle the compensation, and thereafter, Paul preached that Jesus "redeemed us for a price." This, then, is the basis of Marcion's doctrine as we have come to know it."
>>41797993>he put himself into flesh so he could suffer like a human, feel like a humanI know it sounds insipid but not all suffering is the same. Some people who have suffered greatly, suffered for many many years. Some people are already past Jesus' age, and will probably have another good 40 years of suffering ahead. Some people with debilitating afflictions or torment or accidents will probably look at a good 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 5 years of pure suffering.Some people suffer from chronic loneliness. Have nobody to rely in or cherish them or love them or help them. Not even 1 person who ask for them, they will die and their corpse will rot in their small apartment for months.Some people will suffer beatings, torture and death for days, weeks. Maybe even years of imprisonment and torture in some south american prison.Some don't even have a mother to cry for them when they die.Some will starve to actual death.I feel like most suffering and pain can be surpassed if you have people you can rely on or to comfort you. Some people don't have that, they'll suffer and cry and be in anguish alone for years and die and nobody will know or mention or remember them. They won't be loved or revered or respected or even tolerated. They'll just be killed and discarded like trash.
>>41797975He is not God. He is not dead.He will come back.
>>41799442Gos is evil. Fact. Look to nature and see how animals prey on each other and not only that, but even rape each other. Don't get distracted by the illusion of beauty. Even a retard kid can paint a woe spiring landscape so just because God could create a shape like pentagram and put some things on the edges and form a flower, it also may smell good, but this is a trappy! It must smell good in order to atract the insect witch like pólen, polinization. The plant foesn't smell good because it smells good. It smells good in order to atract. It's an illusion! God is evil. God is torturing us, little by little, day after day, making us work, fucking with us. God fucks with us. Understand this. God puts obstacles in our way because God is retard. He thinks He must teach us and suffering is the way to teach us. He is a sicko. God is evil. There's no way around it. People can coope all they want talking about love this and love that. This is the true delusion. You are projecting your delusions into me, man. Fuck you. Suffering will keep on for eternity. It's a never ending attack. Everything is a lie and that's a fact. Why would God be any different? SO the whole world is croocked, but not the creator of the world itself? Aha Give me a break.
>>41800539People are evil. They deserve to be tortured until they either cannot do other than act right, or they all die. Fuck all of them. Every interaction I have makes me hate them just a little bit more. Which causes me to want to maim and harm them more. Loss is all they understand. So I give only to take away. Because fuck you, stupid filthy animal.
THERE IS A CONSPIRACY AGAINST ME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I FIGURED OUT THE MONARCH MIND CONTROL SCRIPT. NOW I'M BEING HARASSED AND FOLLOWED EVERYWHERE. THEY JUST WON'T LEAVE ME ALONE.. THERE IS A WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY TO FARM MY SOUL IN A FALSE REALITY MATRIX AND GRIND MY BALLS INTO A PASTE!!!NOW I'M GOING TO TAKE A DUMP ON IT!!!
>>41800394BIG FUCKING PAIN IN MY SACK!!!LADIES, PLEASE..THERE'S ENOUGH OF ME TO GO AROUND..
>>41800397YEAH I KNOW YOU'RE WATCHING AND I KNOW YOU'RE RUBBING YOUR PUSSIES KNOWING WHAT PAIN I'M GOING THROUGH ON A DAILY BASIS.
NOTHING YOU DO WILL EVER KILL THE LOVE IN MY HEART..
>>41800394(he doesnt have fake ballsacks to deflect ball attacks)
>>41800522AHA! I CAUGHT YOU..PLEASE STOP SPANKING MY SACK.
>shopping for tarot decks>half the decks on amazon are ai slop>etsy is overflowing with ai slopPlease, can anyone recommend some good decks made by real people?
the wild unknown is my personal favourite.
>>41798548>amazon>etsyGrim
>>41798548using tarot cards that are AI generated is probably demonic on steroids.
>>41800169>doesnt even mention free eggs
>>41800345>I can't extract resources anymore by slapping paint on paper or move a mouse cursor over a display >Its the ais faultGet fucked lefttard "artist" scammer. Your "abilities" are not needed anymore
Has anyone else discovered that studying the word(s)Language(s) roots analogs Letters NumbersGeoMetry Symbology is how you becomea High Magoi
>>41796520>It will be funny. Watching them all burn out.sounds like you're a left-hand yourself speaking like that.
>>41800343>Listen comes from the word klew;)Clu in Gaelic means High Honor
>>41800392<3>>41800383In every tradition, the Divine Fire is a purifier and a test.In Christian mysticism, it is the consuming fire of Hebrews 12:29 not of wrath, but of refinement. Like gold tested in flame, the soul is tried.In Egyptian mythology, the sun god Ra travels through the underworld each night battling serpents of chaos. He is reborn each dawn, crowned in fire. The righteous pass through flame in the Duat (underworld); the wicked are devoured by fire-serpents. Fire is both judgment and divinity.In Kabbalah, the Shekinah dwells in fire upon the altar. The burning bush speaks with the voice of God. The Seraphim whose name means “burning ones” attend the Throne, singing in eternal flame. The fire does not consume them, for they are the flame.In Hinduism, Agni, god of fire, is the mouth of the gods. Every offering made to the divine must pass through him. Fire is the bridge between mortal and eternal.In Greek myth, Prometheus gave fire to mankind a divine essence, sparking consciousness, invention, and rebellion. He was punished, not because of fire alone, but because fire gave power to become like gods.In Zoroastrianism, fire is kept in sacred temples, never extinguished. It is the presence of Asha, divine Truth. To face the fire is to face one’s own soul.Also "Pyramid" Refers to a structure with a pointed top, (Wizards Cap) and is also linked to the Greek word "Pyr" (πῦρ), meaning "Fire" and (μέσο)Méso Middle Meaning middleAKA the fire at the Center of it allpic relatedon a side but relevant note Wordans day hump day is Miércoles in Spanish, meaning the day of Mercury
>>41800392>Santa comes from Sinterklaas"Sinter" (German: sintern) refers to the process of compacting and heating powders (like metal or snow) into a solid mass, or the resulting material itselfWhile Klaas has no German wordIt Relates to Glas (German for glass) and Laos Greek for the PeopleBreaking down Nicholas to (Nike- Victory of Laos- the people)>But in Gaelic this can be Broken down intoSlàinte a very common toast meaning "health," used to wish well-being when drinkingSine (a name meaning "God is gracious") Síth meaning (peace/faeries) or Sínte (to extend, spread out)Cluas meaning Ear as in hear and listenstemming from Latin words for "to close" or "end". "Cluas" also appears in Latin as a verb meaning "to purify" or "to name," but it's less common
>>41800414>>41800527>Solve et coagulaThe popular occult term means to break down and put back togetherThis is the point of Alchemy
>>41791935There is only one inconceivably multidimensional consciousness we are each unique portions of. Everything you see has a consciousness and is god. Our existence is contained inside gods enormous imagination where infinite realities are happening simultaneously. Humanity is waking up in the dream now because I am. There are infinite versions of everyone, each with free will and in control of their destiny. Of course aliens exists, of course everything you can imagine exists because reality is a dream. Of course humanity will teleport one day beecause its all a single consciousness field. It is one gigantically elaborate play (I/you) constructed for our own enjoyment for eternity. The play is a perfectly precise orchestration so even the evil people enslaving humanity are playing a role to improve our souls growth. You can quite easily work out your own purpose in this incarnation. Most of you are here to assist in the great awakening. You write your own script. United, but separate.
>>41800181it is kinda a containment box lol so you don't fuck up the time of more advanced beings in dimensions where thoughts manifest instantly.to graduate you must work off karma by becoming self aware of your actions and the script written for you in this incarnation. you must realise you are a consciousness within gods dream and your thoughts create all of your experience. then after becoming self aware you complete your dharma / life purpose in this dimension only then you can return to the soul as there is no reason for you to be here and your reincarnation process is complete :)
Language is a prison. You ARE being manipulated and controlled.That isn’t the final redpill however. When the time comes, you’ll need to make a choice on reaching your goals or saving the ones you love. The deciding factor will be how much you’ve been corrupted, it will be difficult.
The Word is the bullet.Trust is the handle.Truth is the barrel.Religion is the safety on the gun.Cultists are the gun club.Love is realizing you never needed a weapon in the first place.But now that you have it...Think before you shoot.
>>41800306Intredsatinf. I ought to do acid again.
Any experiences with this book? A lot of the things he says are true, I've seen them firsthand, especially the sexual influence and how it works instantly. Love influence also works, even after 5 years of being apart.What are your thoughts and experiences on this book? Especially related to love (a specific person, general person an ex...) Feel free to comment on other parts of the book as well.
>>41799736I haven't read the book but psychic seduction is a thing and works for sure. It works in other relationships as well.
>>41800139OP here, it is good, I personally don't follow the semen retention part, but the rest worked for me, especially the sexual influence. Working on love influence rn and seeing progress
>>41800411Got any book recomendations? I suggest you take a look at this as well
>>41800165Okay yeah, but elaborate more?
>>41799736Awareness of external influence is your first defense, projecting intense hatred back is your weapon. Know that these techniques are almost ALWAYS employed with malice. Ive seen it happen, they can influence dreams from afar. Drugs like weed and other depressants lower your ability to defend yourself, stimulants unironically increase your ability to defend yourself. High metabolism brain= strong, low metabolism brain= weak