Hello again anons, welcome back for volume 8 of Moto Hagio's A Savage God Reigns. Following the revelation that Greg's car was defective, Ian is only too happy to put his allegations of Jeremy's guilt behind him. And with Jeremy back in Boston, that seems to be a goal within reach, until Ian makes a shocking discovery—!The works of Hagio and her contemporaries ("the '49ers") represented an experimental new direction in girls' and women's manga in terms of both content and style. I hope some anons who might be unfamiliar with these mangaka and their works, or who might generally avoid girls' comics or older manga altogether, will consider reading along and trying something new. You might be surprised.For those who would like to catch up and join in, here are the previous threads:Vol. 1: >>268448441Vol. 2: >>268501695Vol. 3: >>268540638Vol. 4: >>268581029Vol. 5: >>268615427Vol. 6: >>268647910Vol. 7: >>268683142Vol. 8: >>268721319For the Japanese-speaking anons among us: tinyurl dot com slash 4wj859ppAnother day, another volume.
>>268755254Quite the outfits.
>>268755311>jermey's intelligence as the series continues
>>268755352Some amazing type setting in the top right.
>>268755377Matt sees everything with those scary 4 eyes of his.
>>268755541I mean, she could have killed Greg, herself. Probably would have been less sloppy than Jeremy.
>>268755572>>268755579Man, this Greg character sounds like a real piece of work.
>>268756204And really Natasha is no better. What was she even going for tag-teaming Lilia with Greg like that? Did she already decide that Matt was "her's"? Was she already in love with Greg?
>>268755420Hagio Moto not doing much to convince me she has much insight into males she doesn't want to see fuck each other
>>268755616>>268755633Ian is right about something for once. Natasha's character comes off as extremely inconsistent unless she's just a real selfish asshole and pretends to hate stuff that she actually liked.
>>268755731She lives!
>>268755767>he fired shot after shot>gun was unloadedEh?
>>268755932Ian's introspection is finally reaching the right targets.
>>268756074At least this guy isn't going to rape him.
>>268756108Guy at least is trying his best. Bit of a cliche.
>>268756132These better be in like $10 bills or something.
>>268756220I think Jeremy isn't living his best life, for some reason.
>>268756283Pornbrained by the early 90s, good work Hagio.
>>268756277>>268756289Moto had fun coming up with fucked up shit here.
>>268756434>>268756421So did Jer actually do this or is the husband covering up trying to fuck the boy? I'd have to bet on the former, right?
>>268757093If only Lindon-sama were here
>>268756664Weird fetish
>>268756823Sweet effect here.
>>268757123This part i don't get.Ian was certainly pretty rough and tactless with Jeremy after the death, but to call it a "betrayal"?If anything Ian was always pretty caring for Jeremy, even after Greg's death, most people would have went much harder on someone they're convinced to be their father's murderer.>>268757131This one too, even if Ian is driven by guilt, it's a better alternative than leaving a self destructive Jeremy continue walking down that path.
>>268757041Unsure, he pulled that shit before with William.
>>268757229I think its whenever Jerry went to him while broken down and Ian told him, "suck it up dude and be happy you got a great family", they're thinking of.And disbelieving his confessions so strongly, treating him like he was just a liar or crazy.
>>268757296flexing here
>>268755311>i cant wait to not get raped all day and kill greg>FUCK IM FALLING DOWN ALL THESE FLASHBACKS
>>268757330>>268757341Poor Cass
>>268757460Thanks bud. Extremely relevant video for this volume. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKQzu20jYDY
>>268757460>>268757474>>268757483Thanks for posting.Even though i ended up reading ahead, you made me discover one of the best thing i've read in a while.
>>268755254>Yeats wrote a beautiful poem called The Lake Isle of Innisfree. I sometimes dreamed of living somewhere far away by myself, and when I came across this poem, I thought that many people must have a similar dream. Although at the time, I wanted to have three cats instead of being completely alone.
>>268757041He definitely did it. You can already see it with his new job, but Jeremy's trauma is compelling him to seek out sex, usually with older men, in a less traumatic way than what happened with Greg so he can process it, though he's probably unaware of exactly why he's doing it. PTSD can get weird like that.
>>268756324You have to put yourself in her shoes.She consider Ian and Matt almost to be her own at this point while she barely knew Jeremy for a few months and almost never interacted with him, to her he's just a weird kid.It's not hard to see why she preferred sacrificing that kid she barely knew for Matt and the household safety.
>>268756918pshaw
>>268757130kircheis will be out of a job...
>>268755352>whipping out greg's child pron stash at tea timehonestly? power move
>>268756121was going to laugh at person's for men but apparently that's a real japanese clothes brand
>>268756301:(
>>268756325we are so fucking back
>>268756095Jeremy is back on his clown wardrobe bullshit now that he's in Boston again.
>>268757814Sure, but it wasn't just "lets sacrifice the new kid for the sake of the one I raised". She talked her sister into staying with a guy that was very obviously abusively isolating her and then started fucking him (consensually at first) soon afterwards. And this was while Matt was just an infant and hardly her 'own' yet.
>>268756385That's a huge fucking height gap, like damn.
>>268758181Its like a minstrel show for homosexual boys.
>>268758121There probably exists a Greg for every occasion.
if OP is still around, you mention D&Q translating her works but every single official release lists fantagraphics as the publisher. did you get things confused or did they pick up a work of hers? seems unlikely tho
>>268756465That's a really good dog drawing on the pinboard.
"A Savage God Reigns" is translated as "A Cruel God Reigns" which I think is more accurate.Incidentally, the title of "The Cruel Angel's Thesis" was inspired by this manga.
>>268756561It's really a shame Vivi messed up so bad when it mattered. If it wasn't for that, she would be around William-tier in terms of how much her heart is in the right place and not discouraged when others would have given up.
>>268758383>I go to the first performance of Alfred Jarry’s Ubu Roi, at the Théâtre de l’Oeuvre. The audience shake their fists at one another, and the Rhymer whispers to me, ‘There are often duels after these performances’, and he explains to me what is happening on the stage. The players are supposed to be dolls, toys, marionettes, and now they are all hopping like wooden frogs, and I can see for myself that the chief personage, who is some kind of King, carries for sceptre a brush of the kind that we use to clean a closet. Feeling bound to support the most spirited party, we have shouted for the play, but that night at the Hotel Corneille I am very sad, for comedy, objectivity, has displayed its growing power once more. I say: ‘After Stéphané Mallarmé, after Paul Verlaine, after Gustave Moreau, after Puvis de Chavannes, after our own verse, after all our subtle colour and nervous rhythm, after the faint mixed tints of Conder, what more is possible? After us the Savage God.’Its a reference to a William Yeats journal entry that is quoted in the story.
>>268758383The weird thing is I literally have a Mangadex tab open from not that long before the storytime started and it was still using that name but now when I go look up a chapter the name is Savage God. Weird for that to happen so long after the manga was already finished. Even if it's more accurate to the poem, it's not the name people have been using for years and is going to make google searching for things a pain in the future.
>>268756265i shouldn't make the jokei shouldn't make itit's a sad situation and the joke is low-hanging fruit anyway, i shouldn't make the jokeweekend at bonbon's
>>268757035when you want drugs and also you're in a shoujo manga
>>268757201>>268757213>>268757218It's not exactly subtle, but I love the framing of this scene.
>>268757269>years of honing my detective skills have brought me to the conclusion that our only option is to B.A. baracus him onto the plane
>>268756086Jeremy got whatever the opposite of a character development haircut is. A character digression hair growth?
>>268757225me when i'm huffing copium
>>268757695Why three I wonder.
>>268757372Somewhat reminiscent of the incident with Madeline.
>>268757427He's having a normal one.
>>268756639
>>268755598baby pepe spotted
>>268756529Ian just towering over everyone with his 6’3” height is pretty amusing.
>>268759818Oh wait, that should be "about three cats". It sounds like a good amount of cats to me, just short of being a crazy cat lady.
>>268757048They bring up an interesting point. This rich boy went to a dangerous part of town looking like the richest rich boy with pockets full of money and nothing happened? That's incredible.
>>268757041He had already done it with William and tried to aggressively seduce Ian in this very volume. It definitely happened.
>>268761125Ian is tall as fuck and a good boxer. Not many teenage hooligans would dare jumping someone like that.
some kind soul please keep this bumped until i can finish tomorrow morning onegai
>>268761273but you know what they say, don't bring boxing gloves to gunfight. i think that's how the saying goes, right
>>268755572>he understood at firstGreg was reeing inside immediately.
>>268761286gotchu senpai
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>>268757530You can always come back anon :^)>>268758270Oops, I meant Fantagraphics. Fantagraphics isn't the only publisher that's ever brought anything by Moto into English, but they've done most of it and theirs are the more ambitious choices. From what I can tell it's basically entirely thanks to the activism of Rachel Thorn that Fantagraphics started licensing Moto's works, so we're quite fortunate we even have what we have.>>268758383Some info provided by >>268758500, although according to the long TCJ interview:>The title comes from A. Alvarez’ The Savage God: A Study of Suicide (which in turn, although Hagio did not know it, comes from a diary entry by William Butler Yeats lamenting the rise of what would come to be known as “Modernism”)I didn't know that bit about A Cruel Angel's Thesis before. Wikipedia has a citation about it, interesting.>>268758579MD always did have both titles, with one as an alt title. I actually edited the page to feature the current title, given the details provided in official sources about Alvarez's book and the Yeats quote. The alt title is still there so if you search it the series still comes up.
>>268755364Poor Matt
>>268756283It's mostly the same even with the guys she wants to make fuck. Once she gets into their psychology, the male characters turn out to be spiritually androgynous. They're women without the things she hates about women and in male bodies. To be fair, most men written by women end up being that way. It's noticeable even with great writers.
>>268761286For anon
>>268765349You realize she's japanese and male notion of masculinity there is completely different from the west, right?
>>268759180Josei. Shoujo magazines were very open back in the time but it's not very nice to put an underage boy getting raped by his step father and later he's using heroine.
>>268765475That might play a role in her case, but it's universal. The other female writer I had in mind was Le Guin, for example.
>>268765349You're correct about that, I think. The ideal woman for many men is an action hero without the boorishness of some jocks. Or at least the hard-headed businesswoman that takes no shit from anyone, but without the leering and domineering edge a man can have. The ideal man for many women is the waif in the breeze, but without the inclination to passive reception seen in many actual waifs. Or at least the intense and possessive man, who avoids the love of drama and social conflict seen in many similar women. People often make fun of men for being pretty shit at writing women, and they're probably right. But there is an underappreciation for how women get men mostly wrong, too. Moto is a good writer, so even if her men are pretty 'womanly' a lot of the time, the story is still definitely enjoyable.
>>268766050I think ultimately it is an issue of women not being able to appreciate what testosterone actually feels like. So they never get the psychology right.
>>268765722I feel that's perhaps a little harsh to Le Guin, although picking any one counterexample hardly stands for her body of work given how diverse the worlds she wrote about (and their norms of masculinity, femininity, or androgynity). The story that first comes to mind for me is The Matter of Seggri, where men qua men are essential to the setting and fiction.
>>268765514Perhaps it was josei in all but name, but Petit Flowers was published under the shoujo label at the time and didn't rebrand itself to the josei Flowers magazine until after this finished serialization, so it technically counts. The raws even have furigana for the kiddos to understand the big words.
>>268755377matt in his gay little santa hat
>>268761286Greg will always be here for you.
>>268756350We finally reached it. I have been posting this image in Canada threads since at least 2015 according to the archives.
>>268769107Canadians are the worst posters, and worst clients.
>>268769484I believe you.
>>268757070hubby is enjoying the lorem ipsum times
>>268755541Very dramatic choices with the screentone on the bottom. Not sure why it's like that, but it looks cool.
>>268755511Don't make it awkward, Natasha
Travelling through Canterbury today and the main roads pass by a few "hospitals", in the medical sense there's at least two major ones and an ambulance hub. Going by St John's Hospital for Boys it dawned on me to check exactly which one Pansy was in as several are hospitals in the hospitality sense. He was in St Thomas's, best known as the tourist attraction on the high street opposite the gondola tours, that's usually playing ominous monk CDs out the door. It was an almshouse for pilgrims and a large part of it has been a museum for the better part of a century. The private back buildings are however still used for refugees and old folk, and Ian enters through the right gateway for that end. It's not exactly somewhere for a rich drug addict but maybe his parents are very religious.
>>268773938That's interesting. I'm guessing she set it in a tourist attraction like that because she wanted to draw what she saw while visiting.>playing ominous monk CDsLol. I didn't realize there's a market for this. Glad the ominous monk chant record producers are getting money from somewhere.
>>268773938A Cruel God Reigns fujo pilgrimage never crossed my mind but you'd probably get to visit some interesting places.
>>268755741Wait a damn minute. Wasn't his obituary in the newspaper? Am I going senile?
>>268756208You know Ian's a rich man's son when he jumps straight to demands for firing the riffraff.
>>268775729You mean Sharon husband’s? Why would it be?
>>268755633She should have said something so he could deny it and say she was making shit up.
>>268776904Found the page I was thinking of, but after consulting the raws, I see it was a mistranslation that I never looked into because it didn't sound strange in English. This was supposed to be "She sent her condolences after reading about the master's funeral service in the newspaper," the master in question being Greg, not her husband.
>>268778522Good on you for actually digging it up.
>>268756021>the shock of his discovery turned ian into a hippie
>>268757192Mods has gotta be one of the weirdest-looking creatures Hagio ever drew.
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>>268774591You'd have to buy a boy hooker at every destination to honor Moto properly.
