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>>150129236>Tax Law
>>150129236It time for Goons.
AhhSo it's all been for Grace's sake this whole time
>>150129236You know, I don't like that Tedd became this super special magic user, it would be cooler if he stayed as a science wizard making up for his lack of magic power.
Of courseOf course it's shrinking
>>150129321First middle panel, that is how I feel when a character who hasn't appeared in a while shows up or its mentioned.
>>150129391Don't you hate when reality gets patched and everyone gets nerfed?
>>150129547>Squirrel Women would rather obsess over Rome than go to therapy.
>>150129236>>150129487Dan has admitted that this entire plot point was made up on the spot, and thrown into the story without any real thought about how it effects things, or the greater world building. Which you can see as any notable negative downside get instantly sweep under the rug. While at the same time missing the real issue with this. And it really really dumb with what comes later on. Not the least of which is the government instantly finding a means of rendering it irrelevant.
>>150129437El Goonish Shive: EX-PO-SI-TION! EX-PO-SI-TION!
>>150129454You know its going to be month before we even see Cheerleadra again and non of this stats are going to matter.
So I guess the scales from that NP story are something we readers should keep in mind
>>150129487>>150129573And you know, the fact that is a plot point that doesn't matter AKA a week of wasted story.
>>150129509We need more goons.
Grace gives Edward so much paperwork to do
>>150129547>not using Fabiouslous as a punone job!Also it was the Romans who wanted Cartage dead, they just didn't expect Hannibal kicking their ass so good.
>>150129612>>150129627And this is the big issue, magic wants to give people personalized spells, to people. But now it does not do that, this is contradiction. People without spellbooks which are most people that have discovered magic on their own, won't know how their spells work, and will be unable to use the spells effectively at all.This means if someone got Cheerleadra spell Secret Identity, instead of getting 3 pre arranged personalities that reflect the persons biases, wants, and secret desires. Mild-mannered, Goth and Party respectively. You get nothing and have to manual craft the personalities so they will at best be much simpler, and certainly not something you would actually want to use for anything.
I believe you, Bishop
>>150129805>UnkownArmiesHushHush.jpg
>>150129805Said nobody ever about the government, save Dan. It super weird actually for how Woke Dan is he seems to worship the police.
>>150129854The ominous lighting and creepy expression mean nothing to you, huh?
>>150129704I like that this is so annoying to explain even the mage looks like is loosing his patience.
>>150129851>>150129874I ask again why be covert, you know with 100% certainty magic will be public knowledge in a few years, at most. You should be telling all your friends and family, and getting them started on magic training. Especially with magic no-longer boosting peoples magic resistance. Anybody could come along and mind control millions of people with no effort, at the moment. And the only defense is having magic yourself, your leaving them worse off by not talking directly.
>>150129921Well he's kind of volun-told to be there That's the vibe anyway
>>150129713Wait! the aliens are not aliens? Fuck retcons. Anyone wants to make a list of aliens that don't look like aliens and not aliens that look like aliens? Here is an example, Slenderman looks like an alien bit isn't, Cthulhu doesn't look like an alien but is.
>>150129780This woman looks like a snake person.
>>150129944Because overt gets you snatched in the middle of the night by bad actors looking to exploit or dissect you.
Luke that's a good pointI think Justin is too deep in genre tropes and Grace has already been grappling with the nature of secrets for a bit
>>150130031It'd be a better point if Luke hadn't lied through his teeth about that injury.
>>150130022I am not saying shout at the top of buildings. Just ask them over to your house, and show off some magic.
>>150129874Seriously how the fuck did Grace survived the streets before she lived with Tedd?
>>150130031Again 100% probability of everybody in the world getting magic in under a decade. Tell the people you care about magic, and get them training, >>150130133Grace you know the only way for Luke to get power, is to spam his spell constantly to awaken his magic. Your actually hurting him by not telling him even the most basic facts about magic.
>>150129906This is a non issue, Justin boyfriend is just using his senses to notice things about them, its no different that someone for example using his nose to notice what was someone eating or using before they showed up.
>>150129971Grace has a point there.
>>150129983who's the shadow?
Elliot is still really grappling with his villain arc
>>150130110Friendly reminder Damian was such a bitch he killed himself after getting scratched I would be cool if he really was some sort of supernatural being like he said and could be resumoned
>>150130326Problem with Grace being a therapist is a good portion of the job is Doctor/Patient confidentiality. Keeping Secrets.Admittedly, I'd probably be more liable to go to therapy if there were nudist emotional support squirrel girls involved. As is, you can find me to the place where all roads lead.
NOW JUST GO
>>150130385>As is, you can find me to the place where all roads lead.As we saw earlier, it's possible that you'd find her in Rome too
I'm kinda surprised El Goonish Shive went on so much longer than The Wotch. In my opinion though, El Goonish Shive is a TERRIBLE goddamn name, and makes me doubt the writing ability, but to my surprise it got pretty involved and detailed with the story.
>>150130389Grace, you should've talked to a damn therapist back in 2006. It's the one reason I don't tell "Well that never happened" anon to quit double and triple dipping. That and if/when a given event actually happens, the repeats are obviously negated.
>>150130243You know people with magic affinities really luck out in the egs magic system. Not only can they get personality based spells, they can get spells related to their affinity as well.
>>150130385I think I'll have more issues going to a psychologist if they where also nudists.
>>150130424The story is interesting enough on paper but the story goes at the speed of the continents that even reading it all at once it feels like ages before anything actually interesting happens. And sure maybe the slice of life is more important in this comic that constant battles with badguys but even the everyday stuff its a bunch of nothing burger, I think if the story didn't such a good job on making the characters likeable early on I wouldn't have stick reading it to this point. But again this stories need payoff. Also I think while EL Goonish Shive is a weird nonsense name, is this same uniqueness that make it "easy-ish to remember and look in the internet, the Wotch on the other hand its so much like the world witch that the search engine always tries to correct it.
I think I got a good guess on who these dorks are
Is Dan setting up Rhoda to take a villain slot?I don't think I like that. I like her as a cinnamon roll
>>150130686Oh god the story is slowing to a craw in such a way that now is going backwards.
So about 50 pages later we're moving the timeline aheadThis would not have felt great to read over, like, 2 months
>>150130865It 12 pages a month at best. So 72 pages = 6 months
>>150130824Tedd sucks as a scientist.
>>150130886>Uryuoms weren't Sea People.>Probably.
>>150130890Pretty sure it's always been 3 pages a week and we're counting from here >>150129726
>>150130921That boy ain't right.
>>150130921I count the whole entire event with the new not changes, as it as admitted by Dan to something he added in on a whim. So anything and everything added by it is basically wasted space.>>150130886Edward and the parents in general are terrible point the 8th. Why did Edward never sit down with his sons magical friends and talk to them about how to control their spells properly. Hell why did he never tell his son, that activly wants to be a magical researcher, about this stuff.
Why were these two pages flipped??
>>150130963>>150130957>>150130921You know that blindness Grace mentions about people not noticing changes? I had that when the comic decides to be full on CGI.
Arthur did say he was hip with the young people
>>150131006The only good idea, is spells having a manual mode, and the trade stuff. But that could have been added by just having any of the parents, or hell even Raven teaching people about it. You know actually give Raven something to do that involves interacting with the main cast in a positive way.
Oh the ironing
>>150131090>THIS IS AMERICA!>WE TRADE COCAINE TO ALIENS FOR GENDER BENDER RAYS GOD DAMN IT!
>>150131114Note he completely ignores both Truth, and Justice. In favor of liberty. Compete ignoring the fact they are ordered from most important to least important. Says a lot about Dan
Can't help but think back to Rhoda, whom the narrative now painting has something of a time bomb>>150131151THAT'S MY PRESIDENT
I do think it's fun that Eliot is, like, the second dumbest character, next to Catalina
IT'S HAPPENINGThe villain arc!
>>150131243I guess the reason Justin is barely relevant now is because Dan can't make him into a woman too often without looking unwoke
>>150131284They're really just talking about this at school huh
We get it, Dan, you've played a lot of Skyrim
>>150131380Forgetting about the two seers that where excluded because then know about the talk to magic function.They should both be far ahead of Tedd, in the magical research department. And finding them should be a top priority for Arthur.
And we'll call it here for tonightA lot talk about secrets and future secrets today
>>150131090>>150131114Oh, I'm starting to think who this guy sees as the "many" and the "few"
>>150131186https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=SGPtl_MmXUQI wrote a story a long time ago about a under budget government agency dealing with the supernatural, the main character is a guy with PTSD after a witch turned his entire swap unit into furniture, he has a wooden leg not because he lost it but because he was beginning to turn into a chair when he killed the witch.Magic is freaky shit, look at old myths, gods turning people into animals for the prettiest shit,
>>150131478Cute non turtle.
>>150129944Dan legitimately has no idea what he's doing with the story anymore and I don't think he has since Sister III at the very latest. I honestly don't even know what he's trying to accomplish because Sister III was completely rushed and it seemed like he just wanted to get Sirleck out of the story and get to Pandora's reset as quickly as possible. Was he just that concerned with spending literal years explaining how magic works more than writing any kind of a story?
Catalina and Rhoda are in my top 5 least favorite characters in this series. The other three are Jay, Noah, and Ashley.
>>150131812This is the general frustration with EGS in a nutshell. There are *so many interesting things* that COULD and SHOULD be happening in the story, but we get bogged down explaining mechanics for theoretical applications and combinations of powers that never actually come up in the story. Which is literally pointless, because the way that magic works in this setting means that there are very few hard rules anyway, you don't NEED to know how the specific point-by rules for Cheerleadra work in advance, just that its POSSIBLE for Elliot to do this now and leave the rest ambiguous for later. Spells are personalized, so its not like knowing this about Elliot's spell meaningfully informs us about literally anything else for anyone else. We all just want to get to the point where Tedd is doing science magic bullshit in his alchemy lab or whatever, or whatever other "cool thing thats going to happen soon (tm)" that Dan promised like 8 years ago and still hasn't happened DESPITE UPDATING 3 DAYS A WEEK EVER SINCE. We get so many pages, and yet so little advances.
>>150132165Rules in general are stupid and should really only ever come up as needed. I get the impression that Dan watches too much shit like Cinema Sins or whatever that like to nitpick nonsensical stuff and thus needs to make sure every aspect of his magic system can't be picked apart instead of simply just rolling with it and keeping any structure beyond basics loose because it's fucking magic.
>>150132165Its like if Hunter X Hunter never had fights or the characters actually engaging some danger, is pure explanations for things that never will happen.
>>150132250For example, why is there a 20 pages comic about how Ellen different rays work if in 10 years since she got them hasn't done anything with them but maybe change her looks a little?
>>150132259At least that was NP, which I would argue is the place for such things. It is much less acceptable when we have equivalent levels of pointless explanation in the main comic.And, I cannot stress this enough, I have autism. I spend most of my time on this site in worldbuilding threads and magic discussions on /tg/. I should be the exact target audience for this sort of magic system exposition, and even I find it tedious.
>>150132372The actual place for that stuff is spars with friends and Ellen showing casing new things she can do to them. An option I even mentioned when it dropped, if the NP had been say Sarah/Grace/Tedd attending Greg dojo, to observe magic. And Ellen took the opportunity to show off her stuff with friends it would have served both characterization, and information for the readers. And it could have been in canon. Another place is in the middle of a fight with actual enemies. Just picture it a new enemy pops up and Nansae goes Angel mode, and Elliot Cheerleadra, and Ellen use her fusion spell to become both at once, as her first on panel use. NP should be for short stories of no more then 1-3 months, and oneshot comics. Not critical information to the plot. Their are several events in the NP that are canon to the wider comic that take over a year to get thou.
>>150132543When Dan hears "show don't tell" it's Yoda saying it.
>>150132372I would agree too but that comic felt very long. I feel Dan wants to do more transformation in the comic but his audience isn't comfortable about non consensual transformation if the party comic is anything to go about. So making hypotheticals is the only way to make transformation scenarios. At the same times is kind of infuriating he set ups so may stuff that he never brings it back, I though Noah was going to be important (new character, mysterious, has powers) but after his debut he hasn't appeared in any important way in 15 years or so worth of comics, Elliot becomes a girl and is said that he has 3 forms, but each only appeared once and they did nothing with them, instead of having a NP non canon story why not make a "bottle episode" in canon? This comic needs more stories like the new years party.
>>150129296>and marriedWell you and Tedd should fucking fix that then Elliot!
>>150133048>but each only appeared onceNo, two of them were used in actual stories. I don't think the goth form appeared in any capacity beyond the initial transformation into it to show it exists. Nerd form was used for one of the exposition dumps and party form was, I think, used after the griffins.>>150130720>Is Dan setting up Rhoda to take a villain slot?No, it'll just be something like she uses her powers for a good reason but with bad consequences like shrinking some SUPER SEXIST MEGA JERK but then the SUPER SEXIST MEGA JERK gets accidentally punted and sues Rhoda or something so now there's magic court. Dan would not have the balls to actually make Rhoda, or any of the other good characters, turn evil.>>150131442Something about Bishop's design makes me think she's going to wind up related to Liz.
>>150129586Mass necromancy is ON THE TABLE, bring on the zombie apocalypse!
>>150130294Rhoda
>>150129677Fucking gamer-squirrels, always with the exploits.
>>150133114what if the griffins are alternate version of Tedd and Elliot the same way Magus and Terra, Alpha Tedd and Ellen Probably Lord Tedd and Ellen
>>150133444Remember the storytime from the other comic, the squirrels are up to something.
>>150129726Edward constantly getting massive worldview shattering revelations via fridge-magnet note should be a running gag.
>>150129854anon...irony exists and is sometimes used as a storytelling device by authors and artists.
>>150129830Don't let Dan get into Unknown Armies, shit will get SUPER off the rails.
>>150130375I miss damien. He would be folding tengu and griffins like cheap deck chairs if he were still around. Sucks he got hard-countered and had brain damage
>>150133140Liz is a snerson?Wait, Liz isn't short for Elizabeth at all is it!?
>>150131160Wouldn't it be interesting if this guy was written by an actually competent author, and his overvaluing of freedom was a bad thing?
Based tedd showing up as male for the job interview so they have to pay him 30% more>>150131160Hes an alphabet boy, 1/3 is well above average
>>150133464I wonder if Ellen is alive in the lord tedd universe
>>150135896I think the Lord Ted Ted starts with no friends, or loses friends. He adds minions instead. Slaves, not the bepopbobo yellow guys.
>>150129406If only he brought a handheld tazer
>>150130537Spooky
>>150135896Dragon-ellen or girlliot ellen?In either case i dont think so. Beta tedd doesnt have an ellen because he focused on dimension shit not TF guns, so no v5 and therefore no dewitchery diamond. My guess is L-tedd is the same but without elliot either. No elliot means he becomes evil never loses his virginity and doesnt have an ellenAssuming any of that old-lore still tracksActually you want a real crack theory? Elliot's dad hit and killed human grace on the way to the hospital, hence uroyim grace. In the L timeline he swerves and hits a tree, killing the dunkels. No elliot, no ellen, and male shadetail
>>150130720>Is Dan setting up Rhoda to take a villain slot?Nah. I don’t think Dan would do that.
>>150136783>Dan>doing something
>>150131186Ah, yes. The Willow spell. Super Effective.
>>150131313It is true. I watched Excalibur recently. Lancelot was a jerk.
>>150133670It was pretty funny, or keeping his bad hand writting.
>>150136773Isn't Beta Tedd out Tedd? Alse we see the alternate Tedd with an alternate female Elliot.
HAHAHAHAHA THIS SHIT IS SO ASSDID YOU TRACE MARSHMALLOWS FOR ALL THE HEADS?There doesn't need to be dialogue or something happening in LITERALLY every fucking panel you autist. And use more establishing shots holy fuck I think the only one was in the beginning. Also it'd be nice if characters weren't fighting for space in each panel dude. Holy fuck like every panel doesn't need to be a presentation of how much you like when the two big oval eyes sit perfectly in the upper middle of the face. Like, look, I get EVERY fucking panel is centered because idk autism or OCD, but maybe mix it up because all those above things combined wears out the eyes. Literally no where to rest, just nonstop action and clutter and dialogue and this and then next thing and then and then. Take a fucking breath, format wiseAlso, work on the fundamentals. I should not have a better grasp than you if you're already making your comic. I haven't even gone past storyboarding because I've still got like 5 years before my art is passable.
>>150136998He uses cgi for the characters. Its more obvious in some pages that others.
>>150137054it fills me with rage. "I have much anger towards you"I guess that's appropriate closure: he will always be a mediocre, slop achieving, underachieving Pokemon comic clone artist
>>150129443I agree. The Seer stuff makes sense but the whole reason I read El Goonish Shive in the first place was that it was a Sci-Fi/Fantasy Kitchen Sink where All Myths Were True and it had great humor and occasional perviness. Taking the Sci-Fi out, even if it was set up well, really misses some of that formula. Plus, I'd love to see some battle where a magic user, possibly an OP one that's kidnapped someone he cares about, is whooping Tedd and mocking him for his lack of power, and then Tedd pulls out some crazy invention and just wrecks him.
>>150129454Dan got too in his head and gimped this too much while making it too complicated to write.
>>150129744More evidence to support the magic was lying retcon if Dan ever could be convinced to do that. Imagine, just imagine if it was like Voltaire or Lord Tedd or something the whole time and they just accepted it at face value because they're naive.
>>150129780I remember finding this a little obnoxious. Surely there are SOME people who are selfish and/or apathetic in this world? I don't normally advocate for that but Dan could possibly use it
>>150130686>>150130691>>150130703KEK I wonder if Dan realized this exact scene happened with Sarah and Grace earlier in the comic? I'd have to check the commentary to know
>>150130921There's been at least two occasions where Dan consistently pumped out five pages a week for least a few months before back to three but also there have been miniature hiatuses (never more than 1-3 weeks,) so it kind of evens out
>>150131450Friendly reminder this was originally an offhand joke that Dan decided to roll with
>>150129739>Also it was the Romans who wanted Cartage deadThat was the third war. First was basically a consequence of Rome wanting more influence and Carthage not wanting that. Then Cartage was defeated, and in the second war basically Hannibal going for revenge. Then the Third was Rome finding an excuse to delete Cartage from existence.
>>150132259>For example, why is there a 20 pages comic about how Ellen different rays work if in 10 years since she got them hasn't done anything with them but maybe change her looks a little?Dan seems to be self conscious about transforming people and hardly get reasons for why to do that.So I think that he uses the ENDLESS EXPOSITION as a excuse to draw transformations, in the same way he uses Ashley's imagination.
>>150132165>>150132222I don't entirely agree that explaining the rules is stupid by default. Star Trek has done a very good job for most of its early lifespan explaining the rules while still having interesting and thought-provoking plots. I think EGS right now is suffering from a lack of planning, Dan's fetish for explaining *too much* and all the characters getting homogeneous.In theory, I think the plot point of magic getting nerfed is interesting. The characters are getting too powerful? Well, let's introduce a sort-of magic change. Why not? It builds on the whole apocalypse plot point that Pandora was planning and makes for a logical and interesting way to make characters less powerful, but when it comes to the execution, Balance is filled to the brim with text. Good god there's so much fucking text. I think it should've been more about characters dealing with the change than people explaining what the new rules are.
>>150137688I'm not against explaining rules, I'm against explaining rules that don't matter. There is no conceivable storyline or payoff that could possible make use of even half of the pointless exposition, transformation variations, and spells that Dan has spent years describing and outlining to the point of exhaustion. Tell us about the ones that matter, or show us the ones that get used, but don't waste our time posting pages of bullshit that you can up with to give yourself an excuse to kill time because you don't know what to do with the story otherwise.
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>>150137563I really want to know what the moment was that something broke in Dan's brain and he went into an existential crises because someone convinced him that transforming someone without their express, pre-written consent was a crime so horrible that he can't even include it in fiction without a formal apology video. People being transformed against their will is, like, the vast majority of transformations in all of fiction. Nobody ASKS the witch to turn them into a toad, its a situation forced upon them that they have to navigate. The transformation being an unwanted situation they have to overcome is what makes it INTERESTING, otherwise its just some dude that likes to hang out as a frog sometimes and there is no conflict in the story just look at this guy he's a frog now but he's chill with it so don't worry thanks for reading bye.
>>150137688>In theory, I think the plot point of magic getting nerfed is interesting. The characters are getting too powerful? Well, let's introduce a sort-of magic change.But how do we know they are powerful if they never beat anyone? think about it, the chimera fight stopped after Damian blew himself up, there is no indication of who was stronger there, Nanase gets a super form when fighting that Mage who was going to kill Ellen but she just holds her own and talks no Jutsu the mage into surrender, the fight with Tengu was them tricking him into depleting his powers, the Griffin fight clearly states the Griffin was way stronger that Elliot and then you have the dragon that exploted on it own, the vampires that got killed by Pandora and the boar that got shot by Raven before the "heroes" even had a change to fight. How do we actually know this guys are strong if every fight gets interrupted and every enemy gets killed by someone else?>>150138044I wish we could have some stories that actually showed the powers in an organic way, imagine Elliot actually turning into the goth by accident because he was moody or if he wasn't such a wet blanket to become the party girl.Nanase fighting some vampires since her powers are very combat focus, maybe Ellen helps someone who got transformed into returning back to normal with all her transformation powers. Or Susan using the half dozen fairy dolls she has. Or here is a crazy idea, maybe they are immature teens that sometimes screw up and their transformation get out of hand.
>>150138160I would recon around 2010, when Tumblr poisoned the collective psyche of the internet.
>>150129713Wait a minute, if the Uryuoms weren't from outer space, then what were Will and Gill talking about when they were telling Mr. Verres about the political, cultural and religious elements of their home planet? Was it just another planet they happen to live on? Is there even another planet?
>>150137688Thing of it is the characters are actually incredibly weak, if you actually look at how the magic works.>>150138791To break it down further, magic power comes from training magic power. By design the longer someone has been training magic the more magic they have both, in amount of magic to throw around, and in number, and power of their spells, to utilize their magic power. It why Raven not just stomping the abominations at the Mall is stupid. He been training magic for centuries, he should have spells that would completely drain someone, with a mere 50 year magical training. Why did he not just blast an instant death lightning bolt, to oneshot each an every one of the abominations. Dumping 50 years of magical energy into a single spell, does not matter to someone that at least 500 years old.Nanase of the main cast is by far the greatest magic talent. And only started training at the earliest in middle school, and she did not awaken until her first year of high school. Admittedly Greg's methods where shit, so it did take longer then it would have with proper training method. And even after Nanase's awakened to magic, she is still pretty weak because she does not know how to train properly. And worse she started way late in life. If you had magic you would teach it to your kids the moment they could hold a wand. 3 to 4 years old should be age magical families kids are awaken to magic. Strong talents like Nanase should be awaking at 2. That an extra 10-15 years of magical training most people with magical parents get.
>>150139200Judging from how Dan thinks, 96.37% that Uryuom's are just humans that altered how they work with magic. Since Uryuom's used to be able to use magic like humans.
>>150136773>Lord Tedd turned evil because he was never able to fulfill his tf/tg fetishes and went madIt wouldn't be the first problem in the comic that could be solved by getting laid.
>>150139231>strong talents like Nanase should be awaking at 2.You get spells at that age, you will see endless cocomelon summoning spells and youtube brainrot.
Be real, do you guys think that Dan even plans to "END" this?
>>150139231This also brings up something that should be relent but never is. That being Ellen's other worlds memories. They must have had magic in that world, as the Uryuoms where an open thing. So Ellen's should have gained a whole much of spells, from living those memories. I could go either way on Ellen getting a boost to her magical power from living that life. Maybe cut it down to just say 5-10 years of additional magical practice, Enough to put her merely on par with an above average talent that stated magical training at the normal age of 2. That also would mean that Ellen would know about proper magical training methods, and spells designed to increase magical power. Which would have all sorts of knock on effects. Which again makes the retcon of the second not change, become an even bigger plot hole.
>>150139200Seems obvious that Uryuoms are from another dimension, like the griffins. They are 'aliens', just not from outer space.
>>150136773I can't wait for us to see Lord Tedd's universe and he rules with an iron first, where everyone else in his universe has been turned into either a roided up supersoldier or a FV5-type harem girl.
>>150138875Dan was ruined because of woke
>>150139791In the Lord Tedd universe, his mom never left because they realized he had vast magical power even as a baby, and he was raised knowing from the start that he was super-strong and it turned him into a meglomaniac.
>>150139620At this point the story is probably just an excuse for more magic rules exposition and world building.>>150140232>wokeness ruined the gender transformation fetish comicI get where you're coming from, but it's such a weird thing to say.
>>150140695Actually, No. Lord Tedd usses the same glove Tedd used when he thought he couldn't use magic. I think L-Tedd is from a world where he never had friends so he became edgy.
>>150140721>wokeness ruined the gender transformation fetish comicwokeness ruined the gender transformation fetish as a whole, look at all the good artist they stopped doing good stuff in favor of drawing their patreons wish fulfillment transformation stuff, amd those who still do "non consensual TF comics" had to neuter their content or had to make sequel comic about how the transformed people where actually OK with being transformed after the fact. The days of Witch turning people into sexy "insert thing here" are over.
>>150140695Maybe they didn't know he was strong, and he became a world-conquering dictator so his mom would love him?
>>150140934Or the fake memories Ellen had (remember those?) are from the world where L-Tedd comes from.
>>150141196 #>they stopped doing good stuff in favor of drawing their patreons wish fulfillment transformation stuff, amd those who still do "non consensual TF comics" had to neuter their content or had to make sequel comic about how the transformed people where actually OK with being transformedNot me, you are exaggerating a bit>The days of Witch turning people into sexy "insert thing here" are over.To be honest, these days I want to see the transformed ones fuck up the witch for being so smug
>>150141831Then there is hope...
>>150141196Someone mention in a previous thread how Dan had to remove some picks from his gallery because it depicted his OC turning character into girls and his follower got mad at this. Makes me wonder if he is trapped by the fanbase or if he himself has changed of opinion about certain things. The way includes things and questions from the forums in the comic makes me think the former rather that the latter.
>>150138791>the dragon that exploted on it ownMelissa has unironically contributed more to beating a monster/villain than Elliot, Ellen and probably about as much as Uber-Badass Nanase. Kind of funny really.
>>150143294Absolutely trapped by his fanbase and slavishly devoted to pg-13 exposition.
>>150143294Its the sad reality almost everyone who has turned a hobby into their livelihood has to face, they trade stable but soul draining jobs for the chance to do what the love for a living at the expense of becoming slaves of the will of their fans
>>150138875It's true, I was just reading an old David Wong article from 2007 and he brought up an interesting point that basically foreshadowed all that we're dealing with now. Long story short, he theorized that yhe internet was going to turn everyone into it overly sensitive idiots because no one was going to be forced to hangout with and make friends with people they didn't really get along with just because they were the only people around anymore, and being able to filter out all of those annoyances and people you don't see eye to eye with would be disasterous for the human psyche, and really is. Now people see some ridiculous B.S. that could never happen IRL and they act like you're an Israeli murdering babies
>>150140721And yet, it unquestionably happened.
>>150143688One day I hope to become an artist and keep my day job so I can just make whatever I want and not worry about the money or what anyone thinks. I can imagine an obscene amount of seethe when certain obnoxious people realize they can't force their opinion on me and accusations that I'm somehow worse than the genocidal IDF because I draw pretty pictures that don't match their hyper specific preferences and subjective opinions
>>150143867I would say thats one half of the equation, but the other half is penny arcades old standby, the Greater Internet Fuckwad theory. Which is a simple equation that reads "normal person + total anonymity + audience = total fuckwad".People on the internet revel in being the caustic shits online that they could never afford to be IRL, because in real life there are real downsides being a raging asshole and online you can just be a fuckwad and then escape all consequences over and over. As a result, people have developed defensive coping mechanisms for online interactions under the assumption that they are always one reply away from being mobbed by assholes who will take anything out of context to argue in bad faith. 4chan trolls and cancel culture are not actually different, same problem viewed through a different platform. This is why so much of pop culture now is buried in 27 layers of ironic cynicism, because liking anything in an unironic way exposes you to criticism, while leaving yourself room for sarcastic deflection means you can smokebomb out of the conversation. People like Dan instead take the approach of being overly safe to avoid providing any ammunition to anyone who would come after them.
>>150143867Wait until I tell you about the GPT machine that ensures all your ideas are awesome and can't tell you no
>>150144065These glorified chatbots do have their uses, but damned if I don't have to tell them to stop kissing my ass all the time.
>>150130523We see that guy again in 2024. >>150131284But how does the supervillain spell work when you use it to become a superhero. Probably on the whole Hero's always win so they are stronger.
>>150129713True origins of the Uryumons.Well that happened the 48th >>150130389Grace admits she need therapy, on Jul 30, 2021. But does she go and get it nope.Well that happened the 49th.>>150131349Well that happened the 50th. Still have not done magical research.
>>150144150>But how does the supervillain spell work when you use it to become a superhero. Probably on the whole Hero's always win so they are stronger.It lasts until your friends use the power of friendship to pull you out of it, right before you do something irredeemable, but long enough that one could make an Animal I Have Become AMV out of it
>>150144286I do not believe there are enough violent bullies in Moperville for this to happen.
>>150144308Not anymoreElliot extincted them
>>150144323>Moperville used to be like a delinquent manga before Elliot killed everybody
Tedd schedules stuff like I schedule stuff
>>150144470Wow. Fuck you, Sarah? Congrats on being an afterthought to the new girl.
So crisis fully avertedGood job, ElliotEvil rules
Griffins is scary
>>150139755Called it
Not sure if I like Dwight
We're all learning very valuable lessons todayCan we please move to the topic of this meeting?
Took a second read, but I decoded the situation
>>150139231>To break it down further, magic power comes from training magic power. By design the longer someone has been training magic the more magic they have both, in amount of magic to throw around, and in number, and power of their spells, to utilize their magic power.I just realised that EGS is basically a cultivation webtoon
>>150145280This shit haunts me.MORE WORDS?? LESS PUNCHING?? IN *THIS* COMIC?
Edward has cool friends
I just noticed that the griffins talk in a different font
>>150145567Edward is unironically the coolest dude in this comic. He has seem so much shit that most of it has become nonchalant. We know him as Tedd's stern dad, but he's not someone to fuck with.
Thank you addressing something that I, a reader, was actually wondering
>>150145662What a badass
>>150144286https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIrUroTMpps
>>150144415Christ, this is like that HunterXHunter page that is nothing put text explaining things.
>>150145280Remeber when Elliot used to be martial artist.
Wow, Dan managed to make some pottery
>>150144590Me going on a diet.
>>150144738Things are happening!!!
Alright, Balance is doneWhich also means I'm done dumping for todayWhat a day it is when stuff happens
>>150145554Every panel with a punch in it is a panel where Dan isn't explaining something, surely you wouldn't deprive a man of the only thing that brings him joy, wouldn't you?
>>150144891>>150144911Hooray for violence.
>>150145099I think the owl figured it out, secret wizards make the decisions.
>>150145127Yes! we get it!!!!
>>150145150Once again the fight stopped before we could assets the true powerlevel of Elliot.
>>150145200First time we see him without glasses?
>>150140934>I think L-Tedd is from a world where he never had friends so he became edgy.That's my theory too, at minimum he never met Grace. At maximum he was never rescued by Elliot, never got pulled out of his shell by Ellen, never got hammered by Sarah or Susan and learned to check his hornier impulses but was allowed by his father to work on the TF gun. A frightening combination, honestly.
>>150145554>>150146178Explaining is his fetish after all.
>>150146128>Turn into a girl>Immediately get called patheticI'm surprised it took this long.
>>150144627I agree. Sarah's spent like almost two decades talking about how she wants to learn how to use magic and magic wands and now there's a magic wand that's going to teach someone to use magic and it's some stupid new OC instead of ONE OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN CHARACTERS WE'VE BEEN READING FOR TWENTY THREE YEARS?????
>>150145321Does that mean the other side has a objectively different will of magic that doesn't have the same gripes about magic being widely used?
>>150146087Seriously, Dan. C'mon.
>>150145354To be fair you only need grass, sides and the color green to exist for that phrase to exist in some way.It's not like saying crossing the rubicon.
>>150145439Was this a complicated ploy by the owl lion guy to smuggle someone to the other side? is he playing 4D chess?
>>150145517Oh god are graphs the next evolution of explanations? Dan is a D&D fan isn't he?
>>150146599Bingo
>>150145567its like meeting the important character before you meet the NPCs that introduce him.
>>150129236Jesus, when did El Goonish Shive have such as serious convoluted story plot?The early days was pretty light hearted and barely had much plot you needed to know about.
>>150145695I read K6BD so Royalty for me is a nonsense word with no real meaning.
>>150144508As a Creation of Arthur's he would've been made at roughly the time the Food Pyramid was created or generally accepted as "Yeah this is how fooding works."Given Arthur and the lads all need retraining with their wand, Kevin should interact with them.Though honestly, my big gripe is Greg isn't teaching a Magic Self Defense Class running cocurrently with a Magic Self Control Class. It'd be great!
>>150144590This may be a "Well that Never Happened" for the CountAnon, though with the pacing I'm not sure if it's been "Sunday" yet.
>>150145801Oh look its the balance scale! From the Tomb Raider parody, making sure all the NP is required reading one retcon at a time.
>>150145883This might be useful
>>150145927Elliot needs a self esteem spell.
>>150146018>>150146033Knowing he had a girlfriend in the first place would have been a good idea, getting your child to know said girlfriend would also have been a good idea.
>>150146073Tedd is clearly saving himself for Elliot.
>>150145194>>150145200Tedd's Dad can beat up your Dad.
>>150146087Maybe I should get a pizza bag
>>150146128Even his inner thought are calling him out
>>150146894I only count things I care about, or at least did at one point care about. Newu diet Tedd does not rate. If I counted everything we would probably be in the 200s, easy.
>>150146176I liked this issue, things felt like they advanced in a way.
>>150147213It really did not Balance: starts on, Mar 31, 2021, ends on Sep 30, 2022 1Y 5M
>>150147211More and more I feel better about not counting the 14 points from that one NP storytime.
>>150145232This reads like an I AM SILLY political cartoon
>>150146599Yeah. Someone whose cause he supports, but can only help to this degree in secret.
>>150146415So he became isolated and went full techno wizard, That is a cool idea actually. >>150146415>ever got hammered by Sarah or Susan and learned to check his hornier impulsesWho knows maybe getting bullied pushed the horny out of him.
>>150146753The story was always convoluted but Dan didn't spend that much time meandering about so the plot was moving faster, also this was before everyone had to apologize for everything so they instead have fun with their alien stuff.
>>150146087Waitaminute. The whole point of Cinderella is that Cindy she gets engaged/married. Is the whole Cindertedd actually a deep cut reference?https://www.egscomics.com/egsnp/cinder-081
>>150147070Methinks both Tedd and Edward have an issue with procrastinating difficult conversations. Meanwhile Noriko quietly had a Magic Mirror made than try to tell her bad ass Glowie husband she was attacked. Possibly by a Griffin.
>>150147391No possibly about it. Tedd says that the look of the injury was burning claws, and we get 'burning talons' directly mentioned as a griffon magic attack in the above scene. Not sure WHY Noriko fought the griffon guardian, but it gives her a direct connection to whatever this evolving plotline is and makes it more likely that she will show up sometime before it is over.
>>150146473It means a seer on their side manage to persuade magic to stay the same sooner in the timeline. Same thing for Magus world.
>>150146147>He didn't omit Elliot and Grace altogetherFUCK'S SAKE EDWARD! YOU'RE A GLOWIE! LIE! CHEAT!! STEAL! SELL COCAINE TO ALIENS FOR GENDERBENDER RAYS! FOR NUMEROUS FUCKS' SAKE!
>>150147475It also could be that magic has different requirements for different worlds. Remember, magic flows between worlds and there is only one magic. For some places to have high magic flow, and other place has to have low magic flow. Magic is doing a complicated balancing act of an incredibly complex ecosystem across the multiverse. Some places get a lot of rain. Some places are deserts. Some places are oceans. Its all the same water. Just because OUR universe is magical drought land doesn't mean someone else isn't living in magical swamp country.
>>150129236The cost is making books thicker?
Rate my setup>charm 1 >awareness 1 >tech 3 (cat claws)>flight 5>Strength 5>endurance 5>resistance 4The plan is to rush them down and inflict enough stacks of bleed that they exsanginate even if you run out of mana
>>150147530Remember how magic works thou, people generate their magic by training their magic. And older magic systems where more powerful. Their a reason Magus can stomp people for this world, his magic system has ways of increasing ones reserves faster then anything the current system canAnd people don't refill their reserves by absorbing ambient magic, they refill their magic by eating, and rest. And yes that was possible when the dam was making magic super abundant, but without that you could only power at most 5 minor spells with just ambient magic.That means overall magic levels increase, as the number of magic users increases. And a stronger the system means more magic generated per person.>>150145550Has the right of it, but in reverse. Magic is the cultivator using the humans as a resource to make itself stronger.
>>150147732>Magic is the cultivator using the humans as a resource to make itself stronger.And it has to be careful about how it does so, because if it goes to hard too fast it pops a universe like a bubble. "Unstable Configurations" and all
>>150147573A hit and run tactic?
>>150147844It stated it what it wants to avoid, IE people can just decide not to use magic. It would take a few generation but eventually all the magical creatures would die out, and its influence would fade. >>150147573It alright but Tech blocks use of other magic, if you absorb something so make sure it worth it, awareness, is very important for reading an enemies movements. I would switch those.
>>150147573>>awareness 1>He doesn't know
>>150144323>>150144382That would be a fairly decent manga premise.
>>150148404Dan doing a "delinquent story" manga would take until 2038. Perhaps something faster like Kill la Kill? Or Milky Subway?>You will never see Grace in a giant leather trenchcoat. You will never see Susan and Diane, one of them an android. You will never see the other goonish squad as post-Akira biker punks, some with 4-limb cybernetics.>You will never see Catalina vs Peppercat, AD Police level streetfighting.
>>150144693Hey, something that actually happened.
>>150147275Agreed, Dan probably got a bit pissed at people using history to promote things he disagreed with. Unfortunately, because Dan doesn't know enough, he sets up strawmen so he can attack the methodology rather than the core issue.
>>150146271Most likely yes, but it doesn't involve particular aura shapes on this side probably
>>150149510>There's an Old Man sucking on a candy cane>And it isn't even christmas
>>150146519Though with rivers being the most common type of natural barrier a nearly identical phrase is highly likely.
>>150145662Also he bangs legendary monster hunters and aliens.
>>150145750>Get feather-dusted bozo
>>150148081Alpha strike/nuke rushdown. The whole fight cant have taken more than 3 minutes from start to end, and thats generous. Id read it as 90s of villian-mode tops before you burn out, so the goal is to do the maximum ammount of trauma possible and hope it cripples / kills them (the goal isnt for you to live, its for them to die too)>>150148134I drop the phone and use cat-morph for the stacking bonuses and natural weapons. I cant cat without some tech, and i dont need ultra instinct if im running out the clock regardless. Any health i have left when the spell ends is wasted and ive got max resistance>>150148338I would send it negative if i could!
>>150146003
>>150149402Well I just meant the basic premise of a town full of thugs, all of them too terrified to be anything other than upstanding citizens because of one insanely powerful violent do-gooder.Not that Dan should be the one writing it, it'd be too far outside of his wheelhouse.
>>150146473That's a good question. Is it different magic, different wills of magic, magic arbitrarily deciding different standards for their world?
>>150150072No jerry, it was all the long-game so he could sleep with tedd that night
Have any of the main cast had sex?
>>150150233Ellen and Nanase almost definitely.
>>150145232That sounds like a lot of willful ignorance to discount the very plausible nuance that all the records from that time claim someone is a bad actor except for the bad actor who not only has a motive but a magical lying ability.
>>150150279And Ellen molested that seyunolu boy in her other life memories too
>>150147507Dan seems to dislike the idea of being dishonest. Which, I can respect as a Christian, but it does make for kind of a silly set of circumstances when the secret agent guy always resorts to: "Just tell the entire truth and hope for the best."
>>150150279They're kind of a given, but what about the others? Do Tedd and Grace fuck? I'm 50/50 on it.
>>150150291Yeah but those being a different Ellen's memories I didn't count that.
>>150147573Rate my setup>charm 11>awareness 3 >tech 0 >flight 0>Strength 0>endurance 0>resistance 0The plan is to inform them that what they're doing can be viewed as problematic, and possibly hurt people's feelings and to suggest that not doing it would be better for everyone.
>>150150319El Goonish Shive overall has a weirdly Christian morality for a transgender fantasy fetish comic. There's no drugs, premarital sex or alcohol, and there is no teenage rebellion, all the queer kids love and respect and honor their parents even though the parents don't all like or respect their identities. Like at the college party Nanase was all like>I promised my Mom, who think's I'm a degenerate, that I won't drink at the party, so I won't :)
>>150150326I'm going to say no. I would imagine they did before the birthday party, though since it wasn't explicitly stated there's no way Dan would admit it now and instead would just make them be virgins.
>>150150400I like Dan's Christian morals. Ironically, the webcomic was still great, but it was the transgender moral police that ruined it.
>>150150400Nanase used to be a little more rebellious in the early days, she’s always change into sluttier clothes after leaving the house
>>150150233In order of certainty>definite tierEllen and nanaseTedd and graceJustin and lukeDianne and what'sername>not confirmed but highly likelyElliot and nanase>teased to hell and backElliot and teddElliot and noahSarah (grace and tedd)>soon (tm)elliot and ashleySarah and what'shisname>never fucking ever tierSusan and anyone (lmao)Punished george>insane crackshipRaven and mr verrezdan and merlitzGirl justin x class president pizza guy
>>150150405There is that one time when Tedd implies he’s down to mess around with Grace in the back room of comic shop
>>150150477>Raven and mr verrezSo that’s why Raven feels so guilty about how their marriage ended…
>>150150340Ironic that it would work
>>150145944>>150145969The contrasting philosophies could have worked even better if the story was building to a major villain who was similar to Damien (would rather kill people and kill himself to kill even more people than have a conversation) so that Tedd and Elliot's positions could be reexamined. Then Dan could use that as a way of bringing Lord Tedd back.Unfortunately, I'm guessing that every villain from now until Dan dies is simply misguided or weak/stupid enough that this won't ever be an issue. And Lord Tedd will never return in any major way either.
>>150150519Bishop seems kind of sociopathic, though I assume Dan will defang her at somepoint
>>150150497She was so distraught she flew to the UK and got impregnated at a yugioh convention that very nightSeriously tedd is 18 and his brother cant be less than 8 and noriko cant have left when he was older than 12. Thats a really tight window
Is it weird that the strangest fetish comics are also the cleanest? The more fetishes the less sex. Anti sex?
The last three EGS updates could have seriously been 1 page with 6-8 panels.
>>150150562Until you hit critical mass and collapse into a mod7
>>150150497>verres residence>knock on the door>mr verres gets up to answer but noriko opens it first>pic related>WHATS GOOD EDWARD
>>150150552I think he was younger than 12, definitely still in elementary school. I think he met Elliot in third or fourth grade, and by then his mom had probably been gone for at least a little while
>>150150690>Well has not hitting the bitch been working? Imagine getting pimp-slapped so hard it violates immortal law
>>150144247>pretty>cool laid back personality>pit slutMrs. Dunkel is the closest thing to a perfect woman this series has.
>>150144627>>150146433If it helps, all of this has gone nowhere because Ashley has become largely irrelevent while Sarah still gets page time albeit without using her magic.
The problem with all of this is that I literally do not give a shit how magic works, I don't care about all the alternate universes and griffins and all this shit. It is stupid, it is boring, I can't actually read it and my eyes just glaze over and I eventually give up because none of it is interesting. I just want SoL magic/TF shenanigans with occasional bouts of action.
>>150149402Catalina snd Kat would be the catgirls from Dominion Tank police.
>>150149764Yeah but not Rubicon, weird the other world speak english. Then again I fail to remember the last time when language was a problem in fiction.
>>150145969Tedd is like the lame love interest who waits at home for the protagonist to return after the battle in a shonnen anime.
>>150147371A reference to what?
>>150146128This is a cool page out of context.
>>150151165I can't recomend Lady Valiant for the TSF since it only happens twice, but al least has action and cheesecake.
>>150150562Read Rosen Garden Saga. Literally every character is a diferent kind of fetish.
>>150151921Imagine if he used his wandmaking potential to make a wand that does literally anything except photoshop you a bit. He knows people with at least five alternate flight spells but his best bit of gear is somehow still the cat belt
>>150151858For all their hypothesizing with the griffons (who are probably lying), they are two sides of the same earth with magic linking between consistent geographic points. For all we know they're cosmically entangled with paralell events or something. I think main-earth is the tails-earth. We have the low magic and negative electrons
>>150150340Put some points in endurance and you get Steven Universe.
>>150152007>I think main-earth is the tails-earth. We have the low magic and negative electronsAnd the recessive genes!
>>150152381Kek
