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instead of previously planned 64 cells
it will also feature the AEGIS system and SPY-6 radar
they will likely come with Tomahawks for land attack as well
8 units are planned now instead of previously 5
26 bn euros have been designated for the project
these will likely become the most powerful surface combatants in Europe
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>>64661867
France did the major lifting in the west, Russia in the east and the US supplied all nations with resources, food and materials in general.
>>64661872
But ain’t nobody asking you just like ain’t nobody remembering you for the WWs, Timmy.
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>>64654732
Return to ship ranks
>97+ VLS
1st rank
>65-96
2nd rank
etc
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>>64661779
Then it's a good thing it wasn't meant as a flex.

Are you actually retarded or something?
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>>64662038
So why mention it if it wasn’t a flex? Again even Russia can make those, hardly anything to be proud of and they seemingly aren’t good enough since Germany isn’t using them either.
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>>64662047
You asked why germany isn't making their own BMD radar, I explained, you're now just shitting on germany for whatever reason.

I assume you're french, or just a retard.


Either way, what the fuck is your point here besides to shit on germany? I'm not german, I don't give a fuck if you shit on germany or not.

In this TECHNICAL discussion, the reasons germany didn't even attempt to develop their own radar is because there are already fantastic AESA BMD radars available, from 2 different vendors even that are already configured to communicate with AEGIS. The SPY-6(V)1 germany is buying for the F127 will need some additional work for it to work with the Canadian CMS330 AEGIS system, but it's still a hell of a lot less work than designing teir own radar for the task.

It's like asking why the UK doesn't just develop their own SLBMs instead of using the US's Trident D5. Why the fuck should they? The Trident D5 is great and there is no reason the UK should spend the 10's of billions of dollars required to build their own. It's not like the UK would be incapable, it's just too expensive with no significant benefits to the UK when they can just buy Trident D5s.

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>Basedmade edition
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Longtime knife collector thinking about a Sebenza. But I don't want to pay $500... should I just try to find a used one to see if I like it?
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>>64660877
What's wrong with it?

>>64661183
Longtime? Yes, go ahead and buy one. It takes a looong time to break in, but once you do it's pretty darn nice. It's benefits are it's smooth action, ease of sharpening and how it's made to take apart and put back together and still perform the same. Complete opposite of a Spyderco in that regard.
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>>64661183
was going to give you advice that might have saved you money but frogposters deserve nothing
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I don't have any of combat or throwing knives, but I enjoy throwing sharpened sticks that I make, very enjoyable to destroy targets with them.
Anything I should look for in a knife to make sure it's throwable with decent results? Dedicated "throwing knives" seem compromised in their design.
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>>64661412
Proper throwing knives have two important features. First is the balance is suited for throwing, and second is that the steel isn't tempered as hard. That is important so the edge doesn't chip or and the knife doesn't bounce dangerously off your practice target if you flub a throw.
there are also a lot of mallninja bullshit """""throwing knives""""" which usually look silly and have little to no utility.

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What tactics do Ukes use to deal with glide bombs?
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>>64662116
The same “tactics” anyone uses when exposed to long range artillery fires. Move often, dig trenches deep, get blown up anyway because your enemy is willing to sacrifice hundreds of troops to pin you in place long enough for fire to be effective. Hope you trade up before it happens.

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Fat stacks of webleys edition
Old >>64508773
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>>64656319
retard detected, please show me picture of what "dangerous pressure speak" is supposed to mean

>inb4 that one picture that all the fudds post of some retard's reloads who blew up a webley
yeah no shit, i can post pictures of shitty reloads blowing up glocks and smith and wessons all day too
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webleys are blackpowder designs
which got nitro-horse-shoed because the empire was cheap
thats why .38 s&w is an aenemic round
.455 too, it just throws a big lead stump
and .45 acp in a .455 web is a retarded cowboy idea

strictly speaking for myself, i do prefer my webley with a cucumber sandwich and an ananas soda
also niggers its almost christmas wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>64661266
>its almost christmas wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Mer Chrismas
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>>64661528
What is top and is that a fucking stanag?

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Bernadette just posted a new leg armor video. Wunderwaffe BTFO!

https://youtu.be/hLWTDhKltJk?si=3EJF1gDXYOmAjMDX
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>>64660942
Hold on, craftsmanship was expensive back then as well.
There's a reason why knights came from nobility. I mean, multiple reasons, but the price is one of them. Also, you'd need to factor in _all_ of the equipment: armour itself, the sword, lance, the horse (training alone was ridiculous), horse armour DLC, the group of people going out with you and whatnot...
On the other hand, the rich "people" could afford it anyway, so whatever.
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>>64658347
>quite slender, affluent and educated, near or below 30, long hair
Y E S
>narrow hips
Oh man, what a letdown.
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Someone on the cosplayer side of things going to Dr Capwell for research? That's really nice to see. Especially since, as Toby says, it seems a lot of people have a hard time treating these earlier times as if they were ever truly real. Now I've mostly noticed it with swords specifically, but it seems a lot of internet discourse about them treats them as, well, not really part of reality. They're just fantasy things, and any sword in actual reality is simply a token standing in for the actual fantasy realm object. This then disappointingly but not surprisingly leads to wall-hangers being treated as the "real" thing, because with any real sword being reduced to basically just a prop those who can be nothing more as as good as any other, and if anything it's "understood" that any sword in reality is as much of a phony as a IRL lightsabres replicas.
So to instead see someone dig into the history of these things and go ask someone who really knows about it all is highly refreshing.

>>64661847
>Chain mail over plate armor was like metal.cassarole, a way to strech the expensive ingredient.
If mail saved considerable amounts of metal over plate then it should also be considerably lighter for the same amount of coverage, which to the best of my knowledge is not the case. Likewise I'm not sure it was always cheaper. Now it might have had a bit of a materials cost advantage compared to plate (for similar material quality obviously, and I'm not guaranteeing that we see any significant difference at any given place in time and space, or even on the whole), but that wouldn't be due to using less but rather due to being able to recycle in material much more easily. A fragment of a ruined mail hauberk can easily be woven into a new one, and minute scraps of iron and steel can perhaps be drawn into wire and used to make a few rings more easily than they could be forge-welded together into a billet large enough to make a plate of any serious size.
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>>64662003
>minute scraps of iron and steel can perhaps be drawn into wire and used to make a few rings more easily than they could be forge-welded together into a billet large enough to make a plate
So mail was just an expedient, one size fits all armor with plate armor requiring fitting, master craftsmans effort? I could see that. But universal fit plate armor onhand would have been a commodity to outfit a legion when raising an army and mail is notoriously labor intensive.
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>>64662078
Well, mail seems to be a bit less sizing sensitive than plate, so that could be one reason why we keep finding it in armouries well after plate showed up (though as you note we see plenty of plate armour churned out en masse for the common grunts too). Though ideally mail should also be closely tailored to the wearer since any extra hanging loose is just dead weight slowing you down and tiring you out, while on the plate side we see sliding rivets and whatnot employed at times to create "one size fits most" affairs (pic shows a modern reproduction of a munitions-grade armour with such sliding rivets employed in the arm defences). So it's a question of degrees more than just black and white.

What's the best tactical solution for children throwing rocks at your multimillion dollar US-taxpayer-funded military equipment?
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>>64662014
*They're
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>>64661933
blast em
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>>64661979
who cares, it's brown lol
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>>64661995
We become more like our enemies. If you spend 70 years fighting a war of self preservation against a larger, dumber, and more violent population, you tend to resort to dumber violent actions. If you know you’re gonna be genocided if you lose, you’re gonna be willing to do the same thing back.
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>>64662056
The worst part of their idiotic martyr complex is that they act like they're hot shit fighters because of it but actually they can't fucking do anything.
>Bring 40,000 men
>Get 80,000 killed

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Listen Here You Little Shit Edition

Post wood (furniture)
Big Rifles
Big Bullets
Froppy Frens Inside

Thread theme ~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HUtwku8R9Q&list=RD1HUtwku8R9Q&start_radio=1

As always; No Jannies, No Trannies
Previously, on X-men: >>64608347
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Are any of you familiar with the M14's performance in Ukraine? It's the type of battlefield it was designed to fight in, so I'm curious how it's faring.
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>>64661297
While researching the topic a bit myself, I found this picture of an M14 in use with what appears to be the KAC M14 RAS. Definitely an uncommon piece of kit that made army M14s more useful before the EBR chassis came along.
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Happy solstice, 2025!
>no virgins were sacrificed for this post
>any vigins to be sacrificed will be responsibly sourced
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>>64662065
good morning :DDD

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A big majority of canadians now support purchasing new Gripen fighter jets over the F-35. At the same time, the canadian government is looking over cancelling the rest of the F-35 on order whilst considering buying swedish instead. Will this be the first big loss of locksneed martin? How will the americans cope when their own neighbor don't want their overhyped fighter?
https://spencerfernando.com/2025/12/18/poll-canadians-support-future-purchases-of-gripens-over-f-35s-by-30-point-margin/
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>>64656791
Hi-lo mix of Eurofighters and Gripens

Cancel all Amerikkkan contracts

Let the new post-Trump administration apologize and kneel for their intransigence
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We will get the F35s. Government is dragging their feet to appease retarded boomer voting base and because theyvplan to get a majority governmenr through more defections. After that they can fuck ovee their constituents like the last decade.
>t. Work in Director Air Requirements
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>>64659686
>>64661999
Checked, are Canadian boomers just burger boomers but worse?
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>>64662023
By almost every metric, yes.
>Outside of AB, vote overwhelmingly LPC, whereas US boomers still vote majority Republican
>Same "fuck you, got mine" attitude as US boomers
>Worse wealth gap than US boomers
>Encourages same policies which are disenfranchising younger generations as US boomers on an equal or worse scale
>Overwhelmingly anti-gun, whereas US are split
>Sell their houses to foreign investors or jeet hives happily to pay for cruises or to live in the US most of the year (despite supposedly hating the US)
It's generqlly most/every problem which plagues US boomers but somehow worse. I feel like that describes much of Canada, US problems but worse.
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>>64656791
>A big majority of canadians now support purchasing new Gripen fighter jets over the F-35
May we see it?

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How did he and his friends manage to beat the US military with some shitty norincos and sks?
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>>64657027
>won
Uhg?
Pic related is his grand daughter by the way.
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>>64661946
It's wild that US strategy was basically bodycount for a huge chunk of the war. Even after achieving it multiple times over they still couldnt kill The NVA or NLF enough to effect the overall outcome
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>>64661937
>another butthurt mutt who thinks Vietnam wasn't total war even though burgerstan dropped more bombs on Vietnam than literally every single front in WW2 put together
You lost, Jose. Let it rest.
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>>64657027
Same way they beat China later on I suppose.
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>>64657027
He didn’t. He just made it difficult to occupy the country, until the tet offensive where they netted a huge propaganda victory for the Vietcong at the cost of being effectively obliterated in its entirety. Then a couple years later the professional nva rolled in and kicked the shit out of the south Vietnamese military while the us refused to intervene to save them again.

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>>64658483
HUR does, at the very least in assault roles. They call them "freelancers".
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>>64658188
>playing counterstrike
Condition Zero Deleted Scenes, most likely.
>Unused bomb-related sound files can be found in the in-game files, hinting at the likelihood of Pipe Dream originally being a bomb defusal mission. Due to this, game over message still states as bomb is not defused if Spetsnaz operative armed with the USP is killed or Hostages are killed.
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>>64659818
It's a bit different.
SBU is "security service of ukraine", most of the time they concentrate on internal shit
HUR is "main directorate of intelligence", a part of ministry of defense, specifically military spooks. Kraken is HUR's outfit. They take up wild YOLO operations and employ "freelancers".
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>>64654670
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>>64658900
Dope
Source?

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When combat robots become somewhat viable.
Will they be shoot at the enemy like just strap a robot on a warhead and after a while you have an armed combatant on the enemy doorstep
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>>64661915
You are alreadybdead and your life is an illusion.
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>>64661918
gronk is this true
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>>64661915
allow me to semi-effort post,

Bombs are cheap to design and fly into the enemy
Robots are expensive to design and fly to the enemy just to do exactly what a cheaper, simpler tool can do but better
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>>64661971
Yeah, but a Tomahawk still costs a few millions.
When robots cost less you could have a better stronger infantryman along with the boom
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>>64662064
Tomahawk? A paveway 3 missile costs $40,000 for a 1,000 pound warhead,

Independence class continues to be the goto testbed for the USN when it comes to fielding experimental autonomous/unmanned or high-trade systems.

>The Independence-class littoral combat ship USS Santa Barbara (LCS 32) achieved the historic milestone in the Arabian Gulf while launching a Low-cost Unmanned Combat Attack System (LUCAS).
https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/display-news/Article/4363707/us-navy-in-middle-east-employs-attack-drone-at-sea-for-first-time/

The way I see it, this provides even more asymmetric ability to the ship in the littorals and a long-range ground strike ability which some people have pointed out is missing without the inclusion of VLS cells or NLOS. What say you?

I'm sure the thread will also become a shahed-style drone discussion so that's welcome as well, particularly in the context of launching from or targetting naval platforms.
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>>64660557
>Where did you get that idea?
He's never heard of sensor-sharing.
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>>64660557
>They are fairly cheap for what they can do at only $500m apiece fully equipped
That's massively expensive for a minesweeper/patrol boat.
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>>64661536
>They are fairly cheap for what they can do at only $500m apiece fully equipped
>That's massively expensive for a minesweeper/patrol boat.
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>>64661923
>An overpriced piece of shit is actually good
Stop retardmaxxing.
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>>64661536
>>64661923
Its hard to place the "real" price of the LCS as the R&D of a lot of next-gen technologies got rolled into it. An easy example would be all the UUV/USV development that went hand in hand with the MCM module. A lot of that set the groundwork for all the "ghost fleet" stuff the USN is currently engaged in. A rough parallel would be how mk 41 develeopment was tacked onto Ticonderoga budgets despite it obviously having use throughout the rest of the fleet going forward.
I know that makes it hard to have concrete figures to hit each other over the head with, but its the reality.

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And snipers don't?
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>>64661537
t-shirt, shorts and hand in pocket have always been the meta in pistol though. Only thing he doesnt have is the eye patch which he says he doesnt need. The stupid thick supporting leather clothing is used in rifle disciplines
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>>64661459
Wait wait Olympic shooting is done with laser pointers like a mantis trainer?? I thought it was pellet guns...
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>>64659479
The hyperextended arm is actually very common in olympic air pistol.
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>>64659187
Tldr olympic "shooting" is gay and fucking lame because a whoke bunch of Euro nigger countries banned guns, and almost immediately the US, Russia, and a few Nordcuck countries started winning top 3 left and right so real guns were banned and now the whole sport revolves around turning your whole body into a bench vise using clothes, fucking up your joints, and "totally not a scope" corrective glasses that magnify your vision like a dcope.

Sage goes in all boxes.
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>>64659992
you fucking retard

I've got a tx22 toro with FRT and it'll run everything unsuppressed. Once I put the can on, it absolutely will not run. I even bought the weighted backplate and a lighter spring. I've tried high velocity, cci subsonic, cci quiet semi auto and cci quiet. With and without factory recoil spring.

It will fire, extract, eject and load the next round into the chamber but the trigger is dead every time. When I rack the slide a live round comes out. When I take the can off, it runs like a scalded dog.
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>>64660067
Try a dofferent can. Suppressors radically change the mechanics of a handgun. Fwiw, I have a Hux Flow and it with a Viridian dot (very light) and it won't cycle woth the FRT. If I take the can off, it rips. Based on PSR's video, I assume I just need more weight on the slide, but I don't care enough to get the FRT to run suppressed, so I just bought another TX22. Now I have one for quiet plinking and another BRRRRR.

>>64661031
>>64661075
>shit talking what's objectively the best semi auto 22 handgun on the market today
>aggressively inserting console war faggotry
Yeah, I'm with that other anon. Post a single gun you own or stfu.
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>>64661025
>>64661031
Post your suppressed .22. Bet you won’t. Bet you can’t.
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>>64661075
> none of them are a Taurus
Because you own none
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>>64660067
If it makes you feel better I have the same exact problem. It’s infuriating. I have a rugged oculus so I might try the short version of the can and reduce back pressure.
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>>64660067
You wouldn't have this problem with a gen3 glock 19 and a 11.5" PSA AR. Both of those run with FRTs and cans just fine.

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Why Erusea always has the most advanced military tech?
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>>64661058
And the story has the war going badly for them so it might be a last ditch museum carrier being pressed to service.
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>>64661034
>>64661058
>>64661090
I've also never been clear on where the Federation of Central Usea fits, great power-wise, with the rest of the community of nations. Osea, as US/Japan, is obviously going to be one of the strongest powers, if not a superpower, and Yuktobania certainly comes off in AC5 as the Soviet Union if its military were real, so it's probably also in that boat. But, as compared to Erusea, for example, how's the Federation supposed to stack up? Because they've gotten bodied by the Eruseans twice now before getting saved by God in a fighter jet, and the second time they had Osean help.

With this track record, I kinda wonder if the military always gets short shrift come budget-time, which is why we're getting museum pieces floated out there to fight the bad guys.
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>>64660953
Belkan science is the future.
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>>64661107
With how Osea had to bail them out in the Lighthouse War, and now getting apparently caught with their pants down in 2028, maybe they're supposed to be like all the other european countries that have just been relying on Uncle Sam to handle their defense for them, like Belgium.
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>>64661312
Maybe.


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