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how do you cope with knowing you'll never be able to shed your male socialisation? hearing from women, i know I'll never be able to catch up, hell most autistic cis women eventually fall too far behind, an autistic man like myself stands no chance.

and i realise, that I'm not willing to let go of my make friendships, and I'm too scared to make female ones, scared of how you need to be emotionally vulnerable, I've never been able to be.

i feel so awful, knowing I'll never be able to fit in with the group i so desperately seek to join. i feel so fucking weird, I'm desperate to be able to fit in with cis women, because it'll forever clock me, other me as a "transwoman" instead of just, a woman, yet I'm unwilling to let my moid friends go, my moid hobbies go, my moid behaviours go. it feels like a vice, i know it's hurting me long term but it's helping me cope now.

it disgusts me, desu, that some day, i will try to convince people i am a woman, while behaving so uncannily unlike one. it's truly sickening. and every time i see terfs talk about socialisation it's what hits me the most more than anything, more than any talk about gamete size or chromosomes. I was molded through my childhood, through my own experiences to be a man, and that is tough to erase.
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>>42276174
You shouldn't get too in your head at that stuff. For all you know the woman sitting next to you on the bus is thinking about her objectum fetish.

More relevantly, it's very easy for me to see the scouring of my own past for signs that I was trans / should transition as cope, the reason I transitioned was not because of these things it was because I had accepted being a non passing tranny in addition to the realization I might actually eventually pass if I put in the effort. These come across as superficial reasons but to be honeston I don't think that being trans needs to be some core thing to someone's identity, and you basically have two reasons to transition: to reach a desired aesthetic, which for most trans women means passing, and to become comfortable with your own body. I can't say which is easier but I can say it does no good to make things mentally more difficult by holding yourself up to what are at the end of the day imaginary standards.
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>>42279531
i suppose yeah, I mean, I'm at the very least at this point not so totally convinced I'm faketrans as to deny myself hrt, but it is still hard to accept I'll never properly fit in with women because of everything that's happened in my life. it feels like a sort of mark on my soul
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>>42271255
Socialization is basically conditioning via your assigned sex being molded into gender, which you could then "transition" out of but only into "transwoman".

How do you destroy conditioning?
Trannies depend on sexism to even exist and the experiences of our sexist world.

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Hey guys just met a really sexy and feminine Trans woman. We met at a friend's party and she noticed I was lgbt friendly and approach and chat with me. We had an amazing time and I even heavily and jokingly flirted with her.


She made a joke said I must fuck a lot if girls and I said I wish I'm still a virgin. She was surprised how sexy, masculine, and romantic I was that I haven't fucked no girls at all. She then asked me if I wanted to on a date with her and I was honest and said yes. Seeing the opportunity she excitingly offered me to fuck her and become boyfriend and girlfriend and lose my V card.

Honestly guys I want your advice? I've never fucked a girl but given the opportunity to go on a romantic date with a Trans woman? She's smoking hot and have a literally body of a Brazilian thicc woman. At first I was hesitant but told me she's a strict feminine bottom and considered trans topping masc guys as an abomination because males should only be topping trans girls lol

So I got turned on and we gave each other a kiss before we go.


So guys what's it like topping another trans woman, do you think it's worth it or will I regret it? Do you recommend i use a condom or just shoot my semen inside her ass? Is it a good id
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>>42280076
it's just anal sex bro?? I don't think you should regret having sex with anyone if you wanted to do it. you should wear a condom unless you trust your partner completely because you can get stds from anal sex duh
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congrats on inching closer to accepting yourself as a gay man
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>>42281611
Your right. I used to watch porn and saw guys creampies tgirls and thought it was safe (this was when I was horny and dumb).


But when things go well and we go out with another and have a real connection then I'll get more intimate and cum without a condom but for now I gotta stay safe and sound and not going to get diseases lol
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>>42282036
holy fuck what an underage post
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>>42282036
I'm 27 so wtf are you talking about lol

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where do I find a cisf chaser?
I'm tired of dating tgirls, most of them lead me on and waste my time and hurt me
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>>42279412
I don't care if it takes me a billion cis women to find the right one I'm just tired of this t4t shit
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>>42279412

That's not true at all lmao, nice bait
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>>42279797
nobody is falling for your larp
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>>42279337
I love the batshit insane ideas that
1. all trannies want pussy and not cock
2. being mtf automatically makes you unable to get any pussy ever
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>>42282226
>being mtf automatically makes you unable to get any pussy ever
this is literally how it works

lazy edition

old>> lazy
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>>42278423
He looks like my boyfriend. So cute...
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i had a curly wurly are you jelly??
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>>42274124
got any triple C's?
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>>42280374
I am yeh, I loved those as a kid but I had braces so I very very rarely had them or was allowed to have them
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hey wake up, I know it's late but u need to know how I really feel...

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American trannies how scared are you of current political climate? Do you plan on fleeing?
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>>42273148
I can't afford to flee. My plan is to live my life as best I can until the day they come for me, then I will fight back and probably die. Either that, or I will die in the upcoming mass die offs from climate collapse.
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>>42275614
the woke nonsense is the gender is social constuct, race isn’t real, diversity is strength, policing is racism bullshit, which all seems uniquely designed to make people hate otherwise reasonable progressives
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I'd relocate to Mexico, maybe live in Mexico City or something. I mean if it got bad bad and I had to flee that is where I would try to start over but it's not my dream city or something. Apparently there are some English speaking immigrant neighborhoods, I'd still integrate and master the language though. Hopefully I could find work with my accounting degree. Tbf I don't really feel like it's coming to that. I could get hit by a car tomorrow and die instantly or get diagnosed with terminal cancer so it's not worth living my life thinking about all the ways things might go wrong in the future.
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I’m stuck mentally between moving to America for college and settling down or waiting it out politically, so idk
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I'm still in college. By the time I'm through Trump would have been in office for 2.5 years. This is in a red state.
If the dems run a neolib again then I'll think about fleeing. America would fall into Britain tier at that point.

New Year's Edition
previous: >>42044782 >>42079478 (died prematurely)

Goal of the thread: Consider the things you want to improve or accomplish, whether long- or short-term. What small steps can you make towards those goals?
Daily goals can be repeated. Remember to keep score, it can only go up!

>What is this thread for?
Getting better is hard, and sucks. A lot. It does not get easier doing it alone.
Share resources and experiences with combating depression, anxiety, personal issues, achieving or maintaining a healthy weight, etc.
>Why is this thread /lgbt/?
Struggles with mental and physical health are an indisputable part of /lgbt/ life, be it from dysphoria, social pressure, heartbreak, or just unfortunate lifestyle choices.
>Notes to consider:
Please be civil. Shame is your greatest enemy in fighting urges of self abuse (be it sh, drugs, or just self deprecation). Relapsing into bad and unhealthy habits is to be expected, the goal is to increase the average amount of time it takes between relapses. Any improvement is a victory no matter how small. Your worth and right to get better are non-negotiable. And most importantly:
WE ARE NOT THERAPISTS, WE DON'T REPLACE MEDICATION
>Note on advice

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I just wanted to disappear into my own life, become nothing and return to nothing. Being something is very difficult; it would be good to be nothing and have the same relevance to everyone as an insignificant cloud in the sky.

Not that it isn't true; if I disappeared, only my mother would notice, probably. Being a NEET is being nothing, having no job or university (who's to say I won't drop out of university again?), it's being less than subhuman. :p
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>>42279653
Thanks.

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>friend yelled at me for having tits and not wearing a bra
y-you can't make me, I'm a boy
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>>42279100
nta but as a boymoder i am scared if someone seems my bra they will think i think i 'm a girl
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>>42279429
if they see your fat tits poking through your hoodie they'll think you're a girl too
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>>42279562
they're not that big and also them thinking i'm a girl is better than them thinking i think i'm a girl..obviously i don't
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My boobs are small. A bra is pointless.
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>>42279562
A bra makes your boobs look like other women's boobs. You're more likely to be read as a fat man if you just let your A cups stick out. At least IME as a other boymoder. Probably doesn't work for bigger boobs.

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> finally stopped repping and ordered from opengatelabs but apparently it can take up to three weeks to arrive
oh my fucking god why didnt i order this shit sooner how do i keep myself from masculinizing more in the meantime
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>>42281561
east coast.
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>>42281579
>enanthate is my favorite and what i think most people would agree is best.
do you think its okay to start with 8mg first shot and then do 6mg weekly after or is that too much?
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>>42281600
8mg is a really high dose
start with 2-3mg
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>>42281579
I guess i’ll diy een
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>>42281600
yes, starting with a high dose on your first injection is a good idea to reach stable levels quicker
6 mg is fine weekly.

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/vtg/ - voice training general

loudly speaking edition
does your voice get 5-10x worse as soon as you go above minimum speaking volume? please help with this!

qott: were/are you involved in any clubs in school/uni?
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>>42281285
i am not in a space where im able to talk loudly currently but yeah . especially when i sing if i have to go anywhere in highish notes with any volume at all beyond regular talking it just crumbles. i really wish i knew how to fix this
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>>42281285
https://voca.ro/19BJOUAatBh5
IT SURE IS QUIET AROUND HERE......

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I have not been around Normie's in a couple years. I forgot how much they hate fags and how much they talk about them and how many gay jokes they make.

>>I think they clocked me as bi, not sure how. If people knew I would be In danger so I just have to play it off.

>>Straight people talk about gay people a TON idk what is wrong with them.

>>One guy was watching me because " I brush my teeth like a girl". Maybe its the way I stand? I am strong and masculine idk why some people are saying this stuff.
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whoever gets to hatecrime op is so lucky
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>>42279522
Yeah I am okay. I became friends with the son of the owner of the shelter. He is taking me to the club tmr to party and girls.

>>I told him I only hung out with a girl I fucked (lie) and a guy that I met from sports(lie, we fucked) and he said "so you like guys too" while I have been in state. Started blushing for 10 seconds but I recovered. He asked me what their names were and I said I forgot her name but remembered his. He asked because he wanted to see if he knew them.

>>He's making me download Snapchat because I don't have it and chicks will think I am weird for not having it lol. I hate being around Normie's but this is how they act.

>>Have to stay out all night and party too due to curfew.

>>He even was gonna set me up with his homegirl but she got a bf recently so its a no go.

>>He is introverted AF so easy layup to score some pussy by being with him.

>>42279546

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>>42280211
Yay!
Just don't do something stupid and get kicked out again because you offended the shelter's owner.
Or at least wait with that until spring comes.
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>>42277803
Shirtless pictures? Do I look gay in that picture?

I gotta put at least one shirtless pic on dating app for foids.

>>42280309
I don't think I am even gonna go out, its risky and there will be niggers and I'm not in the best area.
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>>42276740
I don't think I will tell my friends because I don't want to be treated different. I only told one friend and he told me he was bi too lol.

Last time someone in our friend group came out as bi everyone kinda just shuned him and stopped inviting him out. That was years ago though. They wouldn't do that to me , but I also don't want them to tell others

One bi foid in the group clocked me but I'll see if she remembers if I see her again.

Just sucks hearing so many people make jokes and have gay ass the punchline or say bad stuff about us, or say they want to fight because of it. And then having to laugh along and just pretend that I'm straight. It doesn't hurt but it makes me feel bad for me and other fags for having to laugh with them and participate.

I am God's strongest Trans Girl.
Boymoders are loved by Christ.

“The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for all who do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."

The Bible says nothing about gender dysphoria, my mental illness, and taking hormones to live a normal life.
I am a boy! But my gender is female. My sex, male, and my presentation as a male (clothing), shall never be touched for I am at His mercy.
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>>42280517
>Some say church is for sinners
Heard that from an Orthodox priest kek
I got really friendly with him because it came as an absolute shock to him that the girl he argued religion with was born a boy. Lowkey I took that as absolute evidence of passing.
We still chat from time to time (he frequents a charity I volunteer to) but he also got in trouble in church circles because he used me as an example of real-life defying certain popular ideas.
After all, religion is what we make of it, ig.
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>>42280564
> religion is what we make of it
Possibly. I subscribe to maybe a little jewish interpretation of heaven, who to them, there is nothing after death, and heaven is something created in this world. Conversely, christians believe its a literal place you go after you die.

I think its both, heaven is created here, in this world, and it's also literally where you go after you die. What I mean is you become one with this world after you die. If youve done good, this world is a good (or better) place, after you have become one with it. A little GAIA earth.

If you do bad or evil, the world will become that, when your gone you become 1 with the world that is now as evil and bad as you caused it to be.

> How to leave it good (or better)?
The bible says how. Some people this can be intuitive, but somethings can be complicated or people get confused at times. Thats where religion helps me.
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>>42280457
Do not lie with a male as one lies with a woman; it is an abomination (Leviticus 18:22). LIES! NOT STANDING UP, everything has to have semantics, if doing it standing up isn't a sin, it didn't specify that all gay sex was.

I read the Bible, but I don't agree with it. Not all the moral teachings of the Old Testament were excluded; He himself said that he did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17). The ceremonial laws (sacrifices, purity rituals, Jewish festivals) and the judicial laws (that governed the nation of Israel) are no longer obligatory for Christians, as they were fulfilled by Christ or were specific to the cultural and political context of Israel.

Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not to abolish the moral law. Its fulfillment resulted in the replacement of the old covenant with the New Covenant (or New Law). But all this is a load of nonsense, and there are clear references to the Old Testament in the New, and many things were extended.
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>>42280706
> Leviticus 18:22
Is that new or old testament?
> protip: it is not new testament

Everything else you wrote is literally what I said. EXCEPT... I know you are lying about reading the bible.
> how do I know?
Because again, youre clueless to things Jesus says in it, which is fundemental to understanding all those "contradictions" in the bible, that are actually Jesus flipping tables on jews.
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>>42271470
>she didn't read Hebrews

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Being a chud-to-tranny pipeline victim is the most embarrassing life outcome imaginable. I wouldn't wish this on anyone
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>>42280683
>race-traitor?
My bf is white tho.
I'm literally please the white man. Which is a lot more than what I can say about my former chud incel self.
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born to be a cute natural twink

forced to be a smelly troon
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>>42274696
>former /pol/tard tranny
>fully transitioned and stealth now
>had SRS too
>have a left-leaning bf who creampies my neopussy every night
My existence is actual satire, it's so embarrassing...
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>>42282120
>and stealth now
Congrats nona :3

>have a left-leaning bf
Whatever makes you happy.
Leftoids give me the ick.

No need to feel embarrassed though. You like what you like and did what you did to be happy. Now live!
I'm serious! I'm also struggling to stop being resentful for shit. And the better I get at it, the better my life gets too.
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>>42282120
does it feel good, being your enemy's bitch?

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WHO FUCKING PUT THIS UP IN TAIPEI TAIWAN????
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>>42282039
Anon we don't allow wrongthink. Time to share a bunk with a uyghur in the camps again. Do better sweaty.
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>>42282089
Okay maybe modern PRC isn't the best but you do have to consider that Mao Zedong was a Lesbian, like actually he was. He also invented Marxist Feminism.
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>>42281923
>geble 4chon yianhon
*punch*
thats for taking credit for someone else's work
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>>42282089
i know all of that. But i also want to tease.
Also, RoC might have gay marriage but on a backdrop of a referendum that voted largely against it.
Shoving these things down the throats of normies without debate and convincing has a habit of biting us in the arse later on.
But I guess nobody here is ready for that argument yet.
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>>42282089
top MSS operatives are en route to your western 8x8ft goyslave rest & relaxation chamber to Liberate you into a spacious, cool and clean Xinjiang reeducation camp to repay your debts to the CCP by producing much public wealth for the People's Corporations of High Chairman Xi Jin Ping's neo-socialist economy. You will be castrated, sissified and sent to a Lesbian Majority Industrial Powerhouse City once your service ends.

Whats the most effective way to get a femboy body? Especially when it comes to getting a flat stomach and narrow waist. Ive seen so different work out and diet suggestions, but I have no idea which ones are actually good since i know nothing about fitness
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weight loss is cico
but how thin your waist gets relative to your ribcage and hips is genetics / fat distribution. you can make up for it with muscle mass but it's not guaranteed. if you're at an average weight and square shaped now you will probably continue to be square shaped at a lower bmi
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>flat stomach
Be lean
>Narrow waist
Be lean, but also Genetics
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>>42281407
>>42281381
>dont eat
>Be lean

I already actively starve myself to the point where my ribcage is visibly but my stomach still isnt completely flat

>>42281392
>cico
what does that mean??
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>>42281494
cico is calories in, calories out. the only thing that will get you a flat stomach is not eating and thats only IF you have the right frame for it
if youre starving and sitll dont have a flat tummy, its because your bone structures fucked and theres nothing you can do.
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>>42281494
>my stomach still isnt completely flat
yeah you have male fat distribution if you want to look like a girl then u need feminine fat distro

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I am deeply disturbed that men are castrating themselves and pretending to be women.
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>>42282141
Yeah because they turn you on faggot


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