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Why do people put these stupid plastic things in the pages of their books? I just bought this at the thrift store, every page has like 5 of them, and they abruptly stop at page 90.
>>25170060>>25170073way to make enjoying a story a fucking chore, jfc
>>25170584two sides of the same coin, taking the time to go back and forth from reading to scribbling on the page is just as bad
>>25171889Some books are more complex and deeper than Sanderson and your favorite bro authors>>25171908Can't you write?
>>25171939>he doesn’t agree me >therefore he must like genreslop!Okay
How to Read a Book by Adler tells you to scribble in the margins. >I am so upset that people write in booksSounds like something a woman would say
Imagine you have to design a society, but you don’t know who you’ll be in it. You could be rich or poor, strong or weak, privileged or marginalized.Now decide the rules.What kind of system would you create, knowing you might end up at the very bottom?
>>25171751You're wrong, and I'll try to explain it to you in a way you'll understand. Imagine for a moment a society run by vampires. It would be advantageous to the vampires running society to convince the masses to behave in such a way that makes them ideal to be preyed upon.
>>25170847THIS IS THE WAY.
>>25170994Except they forget me, then I dress as a girl but secretly have a huge cock, which I use to violently rape them while the female population takes the witness accounts as myths, or frivolous imagination, as there could not possibly be a male in this society!
>>25170845Sounds like they need to learn to be multicultural
>>25171367Americuck with stockholm syndrome
Fichte? Failed.Schelling? Failed. Hegel? Failed.Peirce? Failed. James? Failed.Husserl? Failed. Heidegger? Failed.The Neo-Kantians? Process philosophers? Speculative realists? Marxists? Formal ontologists? Ordinary language philosophers? Esoteric Kantians? Failed. You? Failed.Me? I have failed him.Humanity wasn't ready. Yet already within, I can feel something rising from the ashes...
>>25171846to conclude what?
>>25171847that space and time are not real (a thing in itself) but only a priori...
>>25171856the thing in itself is only a regulative conception, and at that it is distinct from noumenon (what is thought, or, what kant would call the "purely intelligible"). kant's philosophy is more systemically robust if you just ditch thing-in-itself (kojève shows this). your main issue is that you don't understand how kant uses the word "real." he opposes the real to the logical (as in his critique of the cosmological proof, when he shows that existence is a logical predicate rather than a real predicate), not to the unreal, or false. i recommend you actually read the first critique instead of whatever supplements your professors have told you are sufficient
>>25171879dood... with real I was not speaking in kant terms but just saying whatever is the world in itself it is not formed through space and time as space and time are a priori... only appearances are formed by space and time... and that thesis is insane... think about it... the thing in itself can't even be outside of yourself as there is no outside without space anymore...
>>25171772You’re wrong in saying that God is the thing-in-itself, he simply states that God is in the noumenal realm. And space and time, as the above anon stated, are in his eyes more “real” because they synthetic a priori, and not simply empirical.
Which philosophers have totally 180d on their previous held views and repudiated themselves?
Schelling, Nietzsche, Wittgenstein, Putnam, Sartre
>>25170766>midwit
>>25170390Kant, who 180d after he read David Hume
>>25171582You know that all of these thing(North Korea being shithole under china and having nukes) can play as factors why the USA doesn’t invade china?+I am pretty obvious, America would be a lot more aggressive towards North korea, if those chinks didn’t have nukes.
>>25171815nietzsche and wittgenstein, the big gay daddies of audacious honesty. the second preface to "the birth of tragedy" makes me cry errytiem
Friday late-nite edition.Old >>25167918
Have any of you guys read Dracula?
>>25171915I've never eaten with my dick through a computer screen.>>25171918Hells yeah, it's very different from most movie adaptations, but solid.
>>25171904I love Yo La Tengo too man
>>25171923Funny image, relatable too.
>>25171394Why do we divulge secrets only in the dark? The confessional booth has no one inside it; the priestly caste of nobodies infests the shadows. No one exists as an island, yet I find myself in the infinite sea of troubles. The darkness that consumes us, is the same darkness that descends upon the night. The darkness imbibes our flesh, nibbles at our bones, and sucks up our entrails like a vortex. A rat must chitter and live inside the depths of our souls, until the darkness takes away the very words I speak. A candle's flicker would be extinguished by the blowing winds, if there was any light to begin with. The rimy touch of death takes away life. But we must open our lips and spill out our blood. For what courses through the veins of life except the chyme, the lifeblood, the essence of existence. The comical grotesques of Russian novels are really a mirror set against the world. The only distortions are that of the masks we try to hide behind.
Do you read to your significant other, /lit/?
>>25166748>delayed falling in loveThat's one way to say "are so deeply repulsive to other people that no one will ever show them affection or form even a shallow relationships with them voluntarily"
>>25171594Beautiful
>>25165363r/MurderedByWords
This is unironically cute, and the only thing that could make it better is if they fuck afterwards.
Yes I do>>25168805Based do lotr and children of hurin next
Is there any good literature from this region outside of Russia, Romania and the Czech Republic?Give examples.
>>25168532I found The Career of Nicodemus Dyzma funny. I did not go to school in Poland so I may be missing some political context, but my understanding is that it was a shot by the supporters of the more nationalist Dmowski against the more imperialist Pilsudski supporters (these two were locked into a cultural/political war in the post-WW1 Poland). Any way, it's fairly funny satire of rich and powerful. To some extent this >>25169714 description reminds me of it, seems like this kind of "commoner finds his way to the upper class" comedy was really popular in that era.>>25168532You sort of already see this in the thread with the Ukraine issue, but to anons who are not from the region, you may benefit from an understanding that this sort of "this prominent writer was ours" - "no, he was ours" kind of shit flinging is very popular in the region. It's not just Gogol and not just Ukraine - Belarusian, Lithuanian and Polish textbooks will all tell you that Aдaм Miцкeвiч/ Adomas Mickevičius/Adam Mickiewicz was "their" poet. Since our region has always been a battleground between empires, we have a pileup of nationalist and other statebuilding projects, some earlier, some later, stuck on top of each like a lasagna. Some of them are, as now in Ukraine, still cooking. So saying that someone is an "X-ian" writer is almost always going to start a fight over "No, X didn't even exist, he was Y" - "No, he was educated in Y but he has X soul" - etc.
>>25168532Henryk Sienkiewicz is a Nobel laureate. So is Ivo Andric.
>>25171642It's not exclusively about fighting over authors, but also rejecting authors if they are perceived to hail from a colonizer background. Like the jewish or austrian or german bourgeoisie claiming that any sort of civilization in central or eastern europe is thanks to them and that the locals are like helpless congolese africans who never could have achieved anything if not for their benevolent rule and guidance.If you say, "everything you ever had, you owe to us", you also can't help but also say at the same time that "none of this has anything to do with you". Because they are saying the same thing, but the first does so with a positive connotation, and the second with a negative one.
>>25171642The second part of your post was very well put.
>>25171688> Like the jewish or austrian or german bourgeoisie claiming that any sort of civilization in central or eastern europe is thanks to them and that the locals are like helpless congolese africans who never could have achieved anything if not for their benevolent rule and guidance.Who exactly has claimed that?
Post about whatever SFF you want and stop whining like a fag editionOld: >>25166415
>>25171887That's not 4chanx friend.
>>25171887wtf u talking about? it's the inbuilt filter. just click "settings"
>>25171914>it's true
Just wait until he finds out you can also filter IPs.
t'was a good thread.But the resident schizoid is about to wake up anytime soon.A good Saturday and good reads to y'all.
Despite being a tatted up feminist whore, she still had 3 kids.Does lit attract the best people?
what the hell is wrong with her eyes. it's like women like this are permanently in fight-or-flight mode
>>25171944Bpd likely. The best solution would be involuntary assisted suicide.
>>25171944Crazy eye, never stick your dick inside of her.
I lwk used to gt shi from y'all ngas about likin' Ayn Rand shi. Just wanted to say fuck y'all, I moved onto Typemoon esque stuff and remember homosexuals would treat like some obscure shi. I really liked Tsukihime and glazed Camelot arc during FGO and some fag told me to read Tolstoy. P.S. Just wanted to say I hate all of you and the fact you all are Rand and degen rape superfans shouldn't be a surprise, if every christcuck didn't act with such vitriol told my Russian jew. Anyway, holocaust happened and prussic acid is based, Germany is just gay for apologizing and is mad Chernobyl was the coolest thing humanity has done(space is gay, oceans are cooler.) Anyway, fuck you all. Also, Dostoevsky writes like shit and Rand overglazed Victor Hugo, fact Rand spoke fond of Dostoevsky and Niestchze still urks me and consider you Zyklonable if you like that fucking jew, same with Hitler. You deserve to be gas if you read Austrian Painter's jewish ass manifest about le struggelirino. Also, Hegel is the only half-decent philosopher, so STFU about your gay retard shi, I have already heard ts icl u pmo u fking ghetto ass ngrs
>>25171873 You all read literature you hate to seem smart or something and get mad when people like the books they read, its really gay. I don't what fuels you all except degeneracy, at least write scientific papers or integrate into academia with the amount you guys turn through pages on books you don't even enjoy. Especially classical literature folks, because I know they read trying to bring back memories of their first crush.
>>25171877Are you okay? I think you should relax.That's such a comically obvious projection since all your posts have just been trying to look smart and failing. Fragile narcissist.
>>25171892 You all are just fags and im trying to help you all see the light here.
>>25171916go back to discord, Gustavo
>>25171916Shut the fuck up you insufferable retard. Turn 18 first, and then go back to /v/. I’m sure they think your usage of buzzwords and name drops you know literally nothing of because you haven’t read a single book in your life is impressive. Are you insecure because you tried to read a book and gave up after the first page due to your shitty attention span?
why isn't the most influential political philosopher of our time discussed more on this board?
>>25161269im indian and yes sir this is very true
>>25168695>>25169900>>25168703your bad faith arguments reminds me of this tweet
>>25171920im indian and yes sirs epstein is so bad
>>25163954>this is like... le cult...why redditors repeat this so much?
>>25171934Most literate Jewbug and Jewthiel supporter
When I read Gravity's Rainbow, I like to imagine Tyrone Slothrop as a black man (which is easy since his first name is Tyrone). It's pretty funny because then it becomes the story of a jacked black dude from America rampaging around Europe sleeping with their white women. A sort of reverse colonization which I think would make Pynchon proud.
>>25169800OP's name is Quentin Scobie and he is Irish diaspora living in England.
Why is Pynchon so obsessed with black men?
>>25171387you're not?
>>25171792ew
>>25171387>I AM NOT OBSESSED
Clark Ashton Smith editionNotable Authors: H.P. Lovecraft, Thomas Ligotti, Robert Aickman, Clive Barker, Edgar Allan Poe, Algernon Blackwood, Shirley Jackson, Stephen King, William Peter Blatty, Robert Bloch, Bram Stoker, Mary Shelley, Edogawa Rampo, Arthur Machen, Ambrose Bierce, M.R. James, Sheridan Le Fanu, Brian Evenson, William Hope Hodgson, Clark Ashton Smith, Frank Belknap Long, Ramsey Campbell, Caitlin R Kiernan, Laird Barron, Jack Ketchum, Richard Laymon, Brian Lumley, Stefan Grabinski, Peter Straub, and many many moreDiscuss your favorite horror tales in both short and long form. What have you read lately? What do you want to read? What's a work of horror fiction or an author who you want to recommend?
>>25127455This is pretty rad, thanks anon
>>25139685Slewfoot
I’ve been reading Brothers Grimm stories to my toddler and those fellows really cooked. Are there any stories like that but for grown-ups? I’m considering Fairy Tale by Stephen King but I’ve never read any of his books before.
Started reading Songs/Grimscribe last night. I'm almost sober enough to pick it back up again (did an edible earlier) so Imma grab a couple beers for the cotton mouth and hunker down to read. I've read the first two stories so far, plus The Last Feast of Harlequin which I read on its own last Fall. I really haven't read that much Ligotti yet to be honest. Between the three of them I like The Frolic best so far (the third one being Les Fleurs which I thought was so-so, and I thought Harlequin was really overrated but not BAD exactly). Overall what I've read is promising if imperfect in terms of my taste. I think the only other Ligotti story I've read is...The Red Tower, I think, because I saw those MeatCast fags were doing a read through of it (I read it myself online). It was creepy and creative but utterly unengaging.
>>25171185Man, I was worried that CreepCast doing The Red Tower would be like how Wendigoon turned Blood Meridian into a creepypasta for Zoomers.Thankfully anything mildy experimental turns them off and they hated that story.
People who care about concepts such as "genre fiction vs literary fiction" don't enjoy reading. They care about status and believe books are a way to get it.
>>25170762if you truly enjoy reading, you read a lot. if you read a lot, you will realize that all genre fiction by its nature is the same. it has nothing to do with "personal growth"
>>25170762The challenge that literature offered me is what got me into reading and is a big part of what I enjoy about reading, genre fiction has not challenged me since I was 13. I still read the odd bit of genre but not for enjoyment, curiosity one way or another.
>>25171466>"all genre fiction is the same">making low level blanket statements and expected to be taken seriously>"has nothing to do with personal growth">reading is for because you read a lot>has not personally grown
>>25170762Genre fiction can be good, but the majority of it just isn't as engaging as a time-tested classic. Majority of contemporary "literary fiction" isn't that good either. If I want something to read to turn my brain off I'll read genre fiction.
>>251707629/10 of this board cares about status
