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>>24738255You don’t have much of an imagination. Or awareness of the difference between possible and plausible.
One day you will realize philosophy is a completely pointless timesink.
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>>24738053>It makes me depressed that philosophy is so interesting and a high IQ activity but it seems to mostly attract subliterate retards and stoners.You are so smart and cool, anon
>>24737225>But that contemplative understanding is also of the greatest usefulness to us for our practical life can easily be seen from the arts. For as clever doctors and most experts in physical training pretty well agree that those who are to be good doctors or trainers must have a general knowledge of nature, so good lawmakers too must have a general knowledge of nature—and indeed much more than the former. For the former only produce excellence in the body, while the latter, being concerned with the excellences of the soul and claiming to teach about the happiness and misery of the state, need philosophy still more. For just as in the ordinary crafts the best tools were discovered from nature, as for instance in the builder’s art the plumbline, the ruler and the compasses—for some come from water, others from light and the rays of the sun—, and it is by reference to these that we determine what is to the senses sufficiently straight and smooth, in the same way the statesman must have certain boundary-markers taken from nature itself and from truth by reference to which he will determine what is just, what is good, and what is expedient. For just as there these tools excel all others, so too the best law is that which has the greatest possible conformity to nature.>Nobody, however, who has not practised philosophy and learned truth is able to do this. Furthermore, in the other arts and crafts men do not take their tools and their most accurate reasonings from first principles and so attain something approaching knowledge: they take them from what is second or third hand or at a distant remove, and base their reasonings on experience. The philosopher alone imitates that which is exact; for he looks at the exact things themselves, not at imitations. >Consequently, as a man is not a good builder if he does not use the ruler or any other such instrument but takes his measure from other buildings, so presumably if a man either lays down laws for cities or performs actions by looking at and imitating other human actions or constitutions, whether of Sparta or Crete or of any other state, he is not a good or serious lawgiver; for an imitation of what is not good cannot be good, nor can an imitation of what is not divine and stable in its nature be immortal and stable. But it is clear that to the philosopher alone among craftsmen belong laws that are stable and actions that are right and noble. >For he alone lives by looking at nature and the divine. Like a good helmsman he moors his life to that which is eternal and unchanging, drops his anchor there, and lives his own master.
I find myself sympathetic to Tyler. Mormon cult parents, a homophobic society, autistic. And then you have a toxic fascist society that wants to feed him to the wolves. What other stories are told from the perspective of those hated by an evil blood thirsty corrupt society. I’m aware of the Jesus and the New Testament gospels along with Grendel. Any other suggestions?
>>24738842Know what's even more unbecoming? Being a murderer, or vocally supporting a murderer because "Muh Corporations".
>>24738851this is how completely lost democrats are that they don't understand supporting murderers is fucking wacko
Literally who?
>>24738847>really useful people (the United Health CEO is the better example of this
>>24738861you think you can run a fortune 500 company? you didn't even finish community college
so was the child sex orgie part neccessary? they literally run a train on the little girl cumming inside her one after another, why were her thighs sore? what did the author mean by this? would you part take in a train and inserting your penis inside a vagina with someone elses cum?
>>24736909probably a real thing that happened to King or a friend of his. I don't think many anons would believe what children back then would do with no adult chaperones around. kids today are tame.
>>24736909Wasn't the plot point that they knew its power would make them forget so they tied their first sexual experience to what they just went through to make sure they remembered? You did read the book right op? You arent just rage baiting from secondhand info you heard because this plot point was pretty explicitly spelled out for why it happened.
>>24738100So basically you grew up in a sick degenerate generation that ruined society and is going to hell while gen z will usher in the return of christ through our revival of piety.
>>24736929best times ever >>24738499no i was no degenerate but i knew a few like a gang of boys that hunted cats and dogs the whole summer or the girls selling themselves at 13 for weed money, those were the times before helicopter parents
>>24738368>hey guys, how do we make sure to remember this for the rest of our lives?>I have an idea!
I would like to know more about this image, does anyone have any literary sources they could share with me?Thanks for reading.
>>24738746I understand this, but there has to be at least something on the old seal, prosperous ox and the noble swan. They clearly didn't get these ideas from nowhere, not to mention the symbols around the image. Also, why the fuck are you typing in ebonics? Are you a retarded nigger?
Just a nonsense meme. You want to hear something real about society and its hierarchies? Consider: The Fourth World.What is the Fourth World, you may ask? This encompasses undocumented tribes, undocumented villages, and residents of the First World who live in Third World conditions.Parts of the Deep South in the USA are Fourth World. Many areas lack basic sewage services. Parts of Michigan are Fourth World, like where the tap water is toxic and full of lead. Like an undocumented village or slum in India.I'm a Fourth Worlder, a Fourth Worldist, you can even say. Sometimes it floods so hard our pipes back up and the tub floods with sewage. At least, it used to, until our slumlord paid us a visit. A cruel individual who threatened to blackball us and force homelessness upon us, an individual who does not like when tenants exercise their basic rights.Lord have mercy. This slumlord likes to threaten and pry, to lord power over tenants. Wicked and greedy. On one such humiliating visit, Wallah, I went to pray Salah and prayed Tatbir (Allahu Akbar) so loud that a whole construction crew showed up to replace our pipes and pave over the concrete. The first man they sent, the plumber, this slumlord yelled at him and derided him so badly in front of us that he convinced her that we needed them completely upgraded. I remember he had an American flag patch on his arm.She was so nasty to us and to the maintenance workers that they tore up our pipes and replaced them completely with new ones, PVC, charged this slumlord for the whole bill. When they turned up all that biomass a huge flock of screaming crows swarmed the trees, massive gathering and very loud, as if they had found a hundred dead bodies in a mass grave. Now the pipes run fine, but not for our neighbors. The maintenance crews, the plumbers and concrete guys, I got their details. I am a poor Muslim, but maybe some rich Muslim with an oil fortune can contract these guys to fix our basic infrastructure via a non-profit because Uncle Sam does not give a flying f-ck (pardon my French).The Fourth World. Natives on land reservations lighting up their furniture in their front lawn because there are no garbage services. Basically, just unregistered. So few f-cks (pardon my French) given that it doesn't even show up on the government's radar. Off the grid, abandoned.
>>24738797What is a man to do? Light himself on fire? Sometimes I just have to cry out to God. The injustice against the poor, the millions dead, the constant derision and oppression. Crime after crime unaccounted for, exploited in illegal conditions, rights denied, homelessness and hunger, for what? To get put back out on the streets by some greedy slumlord? Wallah sometimes it is too much and I just have to cry out to my Lord in prayer. Just a voice, not violence, a voice. SOMETHING has to give. A prayer! A prayer! A voice! Tatbir! ALLAHU AKBAR
>>24738811Revolution.REVOLUTIONHoly and glorious. Justice for the poor, at last! Mountains of crimes unaccounted for, a bill of injustice too big to pay in any courts.I close my eyes and seem them. The Ranks! As Saf. Arrayed in glorious rows for God, just as the Koran instructs. Soldiers of God. Not victims, warriors! Jundullah. The American Mujahideen.The familiar flag: Old Glory. The great national banner. Tatbir! A salute is raised.ALLAHU AKBARWallah I dream and pray until my legs are numb from kneeling, until it is hard to stand. I weep and beg God for holy justice on the oppressor.
>>24738848What has been done to the poor is not found in any worldly book, only the angels have accounted it all. Only the angels can bring us to justice and victory. Words will not suffice.What do you want me to do? Write a book? There is no book I can write that can express the things I have seen. Instead, there is The Book. Go and read that instead. Do you care about justice for the poor? Don't read Marx, Hegel, read The Book. It is clear guidance from God.
How do you get better at writing? ChatGPT says I'm already good, just need to work on readability...
>>24737245feed a rebeca yarros, a kuang, or your smut porn of preference and see if if showers them with starst just as it did with you. You'll probably be disapointed.
>>24738799Pretty much. The most difficult aspect of writing is taking the reader into consideration and AI gives you a reader who will explain exactly what they got out of it as long as you don't ask them directly and don't ask them to elaborate. Just the simple question of "improve this bit of writing" and nothing more. Ignore the suggestions regarding followup questions or asking it to elaborate, they don't matter, treat AI as the reader and understand that their immediate and initial response is all that matters because that is all that matters for 99.9% of readers. Having AI rewrite your writing in the style of an author who is an important influence on you is just as useful and will highlight different issues with your writing, but you need to make sure the AI does not realize you are the same person as when you asked it to improve your writing or it will take that into context. Most people think that pliers are the proper tool if they can use them to get a grip on the head of a screw and AI is no different. Learn every tool available to you and its proper use.
>>24737245Read. Don't use Chatgpt for writing advice. It can't write for shit, so its standards will be all fucked up
>>24738809That's upsetting. It gave a fanfiction on AOOO 4.5 stars.
>>24738845This, true writing skill only comes from reading good books and developing a unique style from experience, from exposure to different writing styles. It even has a doubled benefit of sharpening your tongue. I've never been as well-spoken as when I had just finished reading Shadow of the Torturer.
These are the books I have currently read this year.
>>24737022Was Corndog zen worth the read?
>>24738740It might have been if I could talk about it without be accused of being Wallace but can't really say. If you like 4chan autism, absolutely worth reading, if not, probably not.
>>24738740the other anon isnt me, but yeah sure. it was short (maybe 4 hours?) and it was something newi didnt go in with high hopes but honestly it wasnt even that bad. its pretty evenly split between really good parts and really bad parts. while i was reading it i would see a sentence that seemed to be written by some 10 year old esl but then the next sentence was really good and all was forgivenits a comedy at the end of the day (whether wallace would agree or not). he also posted an updated version (>>24738154) that apparently fixed some "poorly written sentences" but i read the old version so i cant comment if he fixed it or not
>>24738836Hello Wallace, has the bladder infection cleared up?
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>>24738801ya those will make u groggy but i kinda like it cuz it kills off the cringe anxiety i normal suffer with
do u think it's possible to be a closeted straight guy and chill with a gay social network? i don't mind letting a dude suck it, but i'm not doing any butt stuff, i just get stand heternormative normies especially women with the teehee i love to travel bullshit
>>24738800If this person isn't answering your calls they probably don't what to talk to you.
>>24738800are u the one who texted me and said u were gonna be in the city? ya u weren't in my contacts list, and i don't know if ur some cringe wacko from the past, so i deleted it unread.
>>24738800I wish this was for me :(
tyrion stroll editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24704184
>>24732676Why would she survive the encounter with the brotherhood? Her narrative purpose ends there.
Sansa Stark AKA The Camera That Rides. When is she going to do something?
>>24738222Happy Birthday grrmdon't worry about the books, I'll probably get happier from the seething tears of your haters than actually reading them
>>24738744"Alayne" will marry Harrold Hardyng and soon afterward, Sweetrobin will die of a fatal overdoes of sweetsleep (administered by Sansa herself) for which Maester Colemon will be blamed.Harrold succeeds and it's then revealed that Alayne is really Sansa Stark, making the couple the Lord and Lady of the Vale and the North.Harrold is killed in an "accident" (in which Sansa is complicit) and this allows her to marry Petyr Baelish, which has been the plan all along and this makes the couple Lord and Lady of the Vale, the North and the Riverlands.Stuff and things happen and Sansa comes into conflict with her younger brother Rickon Stark, who returns from Skagos at the head of a unicorn riding army of cannibals.More stuff and things happen and Sansa is executed for her crimes, while Littlefinger fucks off to Braavos.
>ywn give dacey mormont a foot massage after a battle
So who really is Evan Dara anyway? I know at least one of you knows
>>24737163It’s a sort of Cartesian theater
>he doesn't have a Dolby® Surround audio system inside his headNGMI
Yes anons thank you I know I posted a very compelling image. But what I crave is an embeddedfag to breadcrumb me in the direction of the true identity behind the pseudonym Evan Dara
Paul Thomas Anderson
Not R. Powers
To anyone that's read Vineland, does the new trailer for PTA's film adaptation look promising? I know this is borderline /tv/ posting but I want to know what admirers of the book think, not fans of PTA.
>>24738824the book was "ok" but the movie looks fucking awful. i loved inherent vice, but i won't be watching this one. been caught stealing looks pretty mid for aronofsky, but at least watchable unlike whatever they're calling the vineland movie.
>>24738824PTA is far better at adapting the works of others than he is at writing. But he has not adapted all that many works of others so it is hard to say. What I get from him is that he is very good at understand theme but absolutely shit at developing theme; adaptations take up the slack of his weaknesses.
I can't stress enough how pissed and GROSSED OUT by you I am. There's a thread up on the catalog right now with a bunch of actual PAEDOPHILES in it. You dysgenic, subhuman FREAKS deserve your penis and scrotum chewed on by DOGS. You fucking disgust me. You are actual freaks. Please cease to live, you are wastes of air! I'm actually freaking out
>>24738423Which thread? Seems like a lot of chuds have unironically pivoted towards pedoapologetics to own the roasties
You gotta break a few eggs if you want to play with the big boys, buddy. Maybe reddit is more your speed.
>>24738481Pedoapologetics on 4chan are as old as 4chan. If anything the chud dark ages shifted it far away from cunny and towards moral posturing and internet tough guyism
>>24738481hes talking about the Stephen king thread, its either that or pick your favorite french philosophers.
>>24738423Buddy, I highly recommend you don't go to /gif/ or /b/ or /d/ or really any of the nsfw boards.
The hotel staff, I think, considers us useless freeloaders who have come to America – land of honest laborers with crewcuts – to eat them out of house and home. I know all about this. Everyone bitched about parasites in the USSR too, bullshitted about how you had to be useful to society. In Russia the people who bitched were the ones who worked least. I've been a writer for ten years now. It's not my fault that neither state needs my labor. I do my work – where's my money? Both states bullshit about the justice of their systems, but where's my money?
>>24738398the part where it veers into embarrassing non-fiction disguised as fiction.
>>24738385The Russian Nazbol party is basically a troll party. Underneath the edgy imagery it’s basically just a Russian nationalist, SocDem party. You could make an argument it’s socialist in some way, but EL was going on record bitching about the USSR constantly.
>>24738411If you are going to say that at least show a picture of him with Chris or the homless black guy.
>>24738398It's Me, Eddie is more a thinly veiled memoir than a fictional memoir, hence the subtitle. It is pretty good but picrel is what a fictional memoir really is.
>>24738398Wow, he wrote three fictional memoirs about a guy just like him where all the facts conveniently align with known facts about him. What are the odds?
>to do so
>>24737444Imagine someone killing a thread for this... To do so would certainly make OP a fag.
What are the best books to read while going through a divorce?
>>24738780why did you marry this woman when you clearly are contemptuous of her? in any case you'd have to be a real greaseball to not try to be a father to the kid you FATHERED
>>24738767Things are starting to connect for you. Read Freedom before you revisit IJ, they are closely related but Freedom take a more traditional and personal approach which should help you better understand DFWs more academic and rigorous methods. Hal ended up exactly where you are, and so did everyone else in IJ, some just accepted it instead of giving into it. No one in IJ learns the lesson.
>>24738787>why did you marry this woman when you clearly are contemptuous of her?Contemptuous isn't the right word. I tried to nudge us towards marital counseling and her towards therapy for PPD as patiently as lovingly as I could. It didn't work. Am I upset about it? Yes. Contemptuous? No, just quite a bit unsteady about it all.>in any case you'd have to be a real greaseball to not try to be a father to the kid you FATHEREDRight, ideally the path would be that we stay married and work on our issues and raise the kid but that door was closed off and its beyond my control to manage at this point. I think it would be more fair to say she became contemptuous to me, and it happened fucking quick, anon. I was playing with my child on my bed and I noticed her glaring at me and when I asked why the look she said "I just really fucking hate you right now. I'm not sure why." The discussion to have our child was one we arrived at together after consideration of an abortion. We even made arrangements for PPD because her mom had it with her middle child. So there's some lost grace I'm pretty upset at but I'm trying to just accept as my life now.>>24738794>some just accepted it instead of giving into it. No one in IJ learns the lesson.I have no clue what this means for sure but I imagine there may be enough context for me to figure it out after reading Freedom and IJ?
thanks for the recs anons
>>24738802Just read both as honestly as you can, put aside your ego and be honest with yourself. That you saw yourself in Hal says you got the message DFW was trying to get across but also says you did not understand that message, only felt it. Put in the time to understand it and you will be a good father regardless of how the divorce plays out. Same goes for Freedom.This is a good demonstration of the flaws in DFW's ways, the academic approach gives us an out, it is academic and not reality. Franzen ultimately gives us the same out but moves the cope to politics instead of academia. In the end it all falls on us, the reader and our willingness to be honest with ourselves.
