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ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
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General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

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>>24687937
14yo horsegirl pussy
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>>24687929
For once, it is a dream. It is quite unlikely that the real exchange was as poetic as we see it. Secondly, being Rhaegar loyalist does not mean overthrowing Aerys. Rhaegar coup seems to be pure Aerys paranoia, in actuality Rhaegar and his dudes were doing his thing while patiently waiting for Aerys to die in his sleep and just politely recognizing his legitimate authority until then.
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>>24687943
This doesn't sound like they were waiting for Aerys to die in his sleep.

>Rhaegar had put his hand on Jaime's shoulder. "When this battle's done I mean to call a council. Changes will be made. I meant to do it long ago, but . . . well, it does no good to speak of roads not taken. We shall talk when I return."
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>>24687955
The council was going to be about legalising polygamy
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>>24687611
Good job, if George didn't want to get harassed the last few years of his life to finish Winds he should have finished it years ago.
>>24687878
They're a ftm assuming it's really them.

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Redpill me on Brandon Sanderson.
Are his books worth reading?
Is he woke?
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>>24686778
He's hated because he's popular. The man is no genius but I've enjoyed what I've read by him.
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The most curious thing about him is that he's so well known as a prolific fantasy author, maybe even the most successful alive, yet his work seems to have little or no cultural impact.
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Redpill me on pounding my balls with a hammer. Is it worth doing? Is it woke?
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>>24687787
mormon mafia promote him to spread mormonism
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>>24687986
trvke, guy is the mitt romney of fantasy slop

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Do fusional languages have any advantages over agglutinative languages?
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>>24686288
Off the top of my head, agglutinative languages with somewhat notable literary traditions: Tamil, Turkish, Chagatai, Japanese. (But the merits of isolating languages also seem relevant to the overall topic.)
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brevity, mostly
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>>24686300
You missed it but I said earlier that the thread is about the languages themselves, not their history, their literature, their resistance to degradation over centuries, political consequences etc etc
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bump
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>>24681637
Bump

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But I don't read any books
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>>24687940
that doesn't matter. just write.
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>>24687940
You want to be "a person who's written a book," you don't want to write a book. People with no passion for an art form only get into it for the social approval it affords them.
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>>24687977
Because there's so much social approval for unknown novelists amirite
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I dare you to try. The fact you cannot read a book implies you lack even a thousandth of the necessary grit to write. Language is a tradition, and to become a storyteller you need to be initiated into that tradition. I can perform this service, but it is long, expensive, and very, very painful. You will likely fall deeply in love with me, and you will beg to stay by my side for the rest of my life. But I will shake my head. I will deny you, and I will leave you on the side of the road, three in morning, no moon in the sky, and dumb tears running down your face. Only then may you begin upon your first draft.

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What written work of Christian apologetics can best convince atheists of the error of their ways?
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The Transcendental Argument for God is the most convincing as far as I'm concerned. >>24686191 Funnily enough, Jay Dyer writes for Sam Hyde.
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How do you know that?
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>>24686579
>Putting down secularism is just masked hatred of freedom
I'll skip the rhethoric where I ask why ought I accept your presupposition that freedom is good and jump straight to the conclusion that, evidently, freedom in abundance has been detrimental to society, in the last 15 years and forever. Unless you want to claim that we're not free enough where we could destroy negative elements in society? They then wouldn't have freedom.
>Morals aren't exclusive to religion
They are lest they're arbitrary
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>>24683045
It worked for the GOP for the last 60 years. The majority of Christians are cultural Christians.
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>>24686579
>Secularism should be rejoiced as a libreation of the collective conciousness.
SSRIs, sterilization, and hedonism sure seem like liberation to me too after enough porn and lies. Where do I get those lies btw? Great drugs you got, mayne your cringelord boss Satan will give you a raise.
>may the most precious Blood of Jesus Christ cover this thread and myself

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I'm gonna know by Tuesday if I won or shortlisted in the biggest short story competition held in my country. Nervous as a bag of prawns in Tallahassee.
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>>24686103
Lazy fucks. It used to be tri-annual. What happened?
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Wait till you get home and I'll get it done in the morning
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>>24686118
They spent too much money on fake gold spray paint ..
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>>24686103
best post on this godforsaken board in a long time
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>>24686072
yes, it's very suspicious. too much a pastiche to be true.

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Wondering if anyone has any good books or stuff to read to understand some of the older religions of Europe
Mostly to learn the general facts about them
I also want to know more about how and why Pagan religions were conquered by Christianity
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>>24681924
>Now at that time many of the Hessians, brought under the Catholic faith and confirmed by the grace of the sevenfold spirit, received the laying on of hands; others indeed, not yet strengthened in soul, refused to accept in their entirety the lessons of the inviolate faith. Moreover some were wont secretly, some openly to sacrifice to trees and springs; some in secret, others openly practiced inspections of victims and divinations, legerdemain and incantations; some turned their attention to auguries and auspices and various sacrificial rites; while others, with sounder minds, abandoned all the profanations of heathenism, and committed none of these things. With the advice and counsel of these last, the saint attempted, in the place called Gaesmere, while the servants of God stood by his side, to fell a certain oak of extraordinary size, which is called, by an old name of the pagans, the Oak of Jupiter. And when in the strength of his steadfast heart he had cut the lower notch, there was present a great multitude of pagans, who in their souls were earnestly cursing the enemy of their gods. But when the fore side of the tree was notched only a little, suddenly the oak's vast bulk, driven by a blast from above, crashed to the ground, shivering its crown of branches as it fell; and, as if by the gracious compensation of the Most High, it was also burst into four parts, and four trunks of huge size, equal in length, were seen, unwrought by the brethren who stood by. At this sight the pagans who before had cursed now, on the contrary, believed, and blessed the Lord, and put away their former reviling. Then moreover the most holy bishop, after taking counsel with the brethren, built from the timber of the tree a wooden oratory, and dedicated it in honor of Saint Peter the apostle.
Honestly, a sizeable number of, "Why did these people convert?" Is miracles. Moreover, even many people individually convert via miracles. Part of the issue is that any academic will ultimately say whether the above is real or fake; I think it's likely real as Acts of the Apostles show these. We really don't get old religions; they were about power and Christianity was simply a more powerful God grafting everyone onto the new covenant. Read some original missionary journals and letters and you can see what the original Christians saw of pagans. No religion survives Christianity as Christianity is pure Turth, as such it burns away other religions' delusions and they all become either satanic in opposition or heretical if in confused alignment. St. Francis Xavier used to touch beef to people's lips because Indian caste systems were so silly that would make them permanently untouchables. Christians often would just break pagan taboos and nothing bad would happen to them and then people would convert because they realize their culture had serious errors or lies in it. It's like calling someone by their true pronouns today.
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>>24687404
>I want to keep sinning so the Truth is a lie
Thanks !
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>>24687420
There is no "sinning" and the "Truth" is the deranged rambling of an inbred rabbi
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>>24687415
>Christians often would just break pagan taboos and nothing bad would happen to them and then people would convert because they realize their culture had serious errors or lies in it.
subverting taboos is why the current world is in the mess thats in it, so actually those taboos turned out to be in place for a reason. you dont allow the flag of your nation to touch the ground; this is a very pagan idea tied to national cults and old totems. but the christian minds thinks nothing of such a disgrace since the kingdom of god supercedes all the nations. hence why we have niggers wiping their asses with our national flags and nobody does shit. taboos exist for a reason, and breaking them DOES inflict a generational curse that takes centuries to fully manifest
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>>24687434
Pagan taboos were literally women couldn't be in boats or they'd die. Christian society taboos are don't rape kids or don't watch porn, which aren't taboos but sins.
>>24687425
>And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does what is true comes to the light, that it may be clearly seen that his deeds have been wrought in God.
Did you know people who hate Christ have made the most hospitals, schools, and created numerous shelters for the poor, abused, and neglected? Oh wait, lol, they don't at all. Romans used to throw their babies out when they didn't feel like having them and Christians were thought wretched for taking care of them. Cute, right? Maybe you should go read a science book on how to lie and that will help. Or perhaps another TED talk. Have you tried meditating? Maybe a therapist? What about going for walks or lifting weighrs? Maybe you could look up old myths on your iPhone? Or, you could embrace the true Faith and eat God.

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>“Everything is perverted by this civilization, the gentlemen in suits have fouled and besmirched everything. Lithographs and etchings by old dotards like Picasso, Miro, Dali, and others, which are sold in all the stores, have turned art into a huge unclean bazaar. The money they have is not enough, they want more and more. Paintings in oil, in tempera, are not enough; drawings, watercolors, and gouaches are not enough; to make even more money they do their hackwork on stone and put it on sale in hundreds and thousands of copies. They've devalued everything, the bastards. Many of them are burdened with wives and several families, with relatives and friends; they need lots of money. Money, money and the greed for money, guides these wretched old men. Once rebels, they have turned into dirty operators. The same fate awaits the young men of today. This is why I have ceased to love art.”
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>>24687683
Was it Chris or Johnny? I hope it was Johnny
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>>24686638
I'm russian marxist. Limonov was a narcissistic pseud petite bourgeoisie that pretended, in Debord's "Spectacle" meaning, to be revolutionary; it was nothing but a spectacle, a farce. He didn't had proletariat class position to understand proletariat, nor to be revolutionary. Nobody outside of Saint Petersburg and Moscow knew him. His current day party is preoccupied with literal skinheads that get raided by OMOH on a regular basis. Notice how he does not say anything of value in your green text: it's just "le capitalism...turns everything into commodity!" presented as some sort of revelation, and idiotic hate towards art.
His books are also pretentious wankery of petite bourgeoisie getting high on his own farts. Don't bother. If you want marxism and capitalism critique, just read Fromm, Althusser, Gramsci, Debord, Fisher, etc.
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>>24686638
>you can buy things in stores
>the west has fallen
>art has fallen
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>>24687772
no you're not. You sound like an average nonce. If you were Russian you would know that his party consisted of liberal romantics with a knack for épatage.
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>>24687772
>I'm russian marxist. Limonov was a narcissistic pseud petite bourgeoisie that pretended, in Debord's "Spectacle" meaning, to be revolutionary; it was nothing but a spectacle, a farce.
I agree but man he was a talented and interesting performer.

>>24687973
>If you were Russian you would know that his party consisted of liberal romantics with a knack for épatage.
The teenager mass was partial that. They get filtered hard by the reality of the NBP (which is poverty and getting punched in the stomach by cops), so only skinheads who get off to that shit remain.

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>allegory fucking sucks
>read a real book, better a historical one
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>>24687920
Tolkien doesn't understand what allegory means
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“History is a set of lies agreed upon.” — Napoleon
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>>24687923
What does it mean?
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>>24687942
allegories were used by commentators to reinterpret homer to defend him from the critics. it has nothing to do with the author
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>>24687946
Are you saying allegories aren't intentional? Because they definitely are

Is it true these books are basically exclusively read by fat, ugly women with low self esteem that long to be desired by men? There is no way anyone actually takes this slop seriously, right?
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>NOOOOOOOO PLEASE STOP
>TELL YOUR ARYAN WIFE TO GET OFF ME
>NOOOOOOOOO DONT STICK IN PLEASE
>AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
*hops off the edge of the pillow*
fucking nazis like literally
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>>24686263
It made the rounds in English schools too although it wasn't assigned.
>>24686701
Yeah, Atwood was telling a parable about Iran.
>>24687053
The sex scene was supposed to be boring. Sex was Offred's job.
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I like it when the wife of Erdogan wears red.

That said, gals, what do you hold of the series and of the second book: testaments?
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>>24687118
>The sex scene was supposed to be boring. Sex was Offred's job.
I didn't find it boring. There's some rivetting internal monologue: are we making love? Nope, no love here. Am I getting raped? Nope, I have a choice. I could go to the gulag instead. Are we fucking? Nope, I'm not fucking, I am just getting fucked. Yeah, that's it: i am just getting fucked.

It's not there in the series. They went with show don't tell
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>The further you get out of line with your intentions, the more distrustful she will be of your actions and words. And the more distrustful she is, the more insecure she will feel and the creepier you become. For instance, if you approach a woman and stand there and talk about the weather, but you’re staring at her rack the whole time while licking your lips, then you will come cross as creepy. Your actions and words are completely out of line with your intentions and she can see that.
>Even if you tell her honestly, “You have great tits,” you will be creepy. Not for lack of intention, but because she doesn’t know you and most women are not comfortable being sexual around men they don’t know. Trust takes time. She has to see that your actions line up with your intentions before she can feel comfortable exposing herself to you and making herself vulnerable.
>Women have a lot more to lose from expressing their sexuality than men do. They make babies. We don’t. They get raped and/or sexually assaulted at a startlingly high rate. We don’t. They have five thousands years of sexist cultural history making them feel like a slut. We don’t.
>The second you make them feel uncomfortable sexually is the second you become a creep and the second she’s finding an excuse to get away from you as fast as she can.
>This is why vulnerability is so huge. When you’re vulnerable around someone you don’t know, it elicits trust in them and they will become more vulnerable toward you in return. The more vulnerable a woman is willing to be around you, the less likely you will be to creep her out.
Is he right?
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>>24682838
Mystery Method is not a good book because it’s for pursuing 9-10s. Most guys haven’t even seen one
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>>24682825
Even though this guy is white and has statusmaxxed and moneymaxxed with his coping manuals, he still had to go to Brazil to get an ugly wife. This is because he is a 4-5 in terms of looks. Sexual/romantic attraction is not about attitude, confidence, intention or showing vulnerability, it is only about highly inherited, mostly immutable characteristics. He mentions that females have a high investment in reproduction, but does not realise that this causes them to seek the males of high genetic quality. Being a "creep" = being ugly.
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>>24687954
There is nothing wrong with this btw. Women are doing God's work. There is no bigger tragedy than another generation of ugly men.
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>>24687962
You fail to understand that the current state of things will produce just as many ugly men, for it allows ugly/low iq women to reproduce more than men who are better looking/more intelligent. Natural selection does not lead to an objectively "better result", if the environment is such that low iq or ugly people reproduce more, then they will be selected for.
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>>24687811
creepiness is how unattractive one is.
vulnerability is unattractive unless it is expressed in a particular way, i.e. one is vulnerable due to x, but one doesn't need their partner's help to resolve it and has a solution/path to resolve the vulnerability.

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In what languages have you already read a book (including petit prince )?
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English
French
Old Icelandic
Japanese
I want to learn Classical Chinese next
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>>24685773
Based post
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>>24685398
what is worth reading in dutch?
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>>24686627
>I read faster when I'm reading in English.
same here. English has next to no grammar. It reads as easily as children's literature does in other languages.
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German.
Waj wudd juh wont tu ried bucks in lenwitsches sätt Untermenschen ßpiek -- like Polish or French or sätt bastärd of ä lengwitsch sätt is Inglisch?

I'm sick of determinism. What books can convince me free will exists?
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Freedom is not about having one's actions be underdetermined. Action that is determined by nothing would necessarily be random and arbitrary, the opposite of freedom. Freedom is the self-determining capacity to actualize and communicate the good. The biggest limits on freedom are ignorance and weakness of will.

Man doesn't create himself from the aether; he is not self-moving. Neither is he wholly powerless over his own acts. One can be relatively more or less self-determining and self-governing, to the extent that one has unified oneself and is no longer ruled over by ignorance, passion, and the lower appetites.

As Saint Augustine says: "...the wicked man, though a king, is a slave. And not only the slave of a single man, but what is worse, a slave of as many masters as he has vices."
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>>24686848
:-)
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>>24686559
>crass physicalist reductionism
Brains are not consciousness i.e. your unconditioned awareness of the World. "Your ego" is just the body, not the true self.
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>>24686533
Literally just choose to believe in it. You have free will, you can do that.
>y-you're just deterministically forced to think it's real! That doesn't count!1!
Ok and? That means no one can ever convince me it isn't real. Checkmate atheists.
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>>24686533
Don't start with the soulless analytics on this question, that's for sure. They seem to think that freedom is either uncaused action (which is incoherent) or else it doesn't exist (which is a false dichotomy).

>they're called oliphaunts
Tolkien really halfarsed this
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>>24687665
Correct, everyone is a simpering idiot except me.
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>>24687405
po tard do. boil em mash em stick em in a stew
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>>24687427
techniques died off and remerged at a latter date.
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>>24687427
Middle earth is third age Brazil
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>You are the lord of the rings, Frodo
Title in the first page. Bravo

Hegel thread.

I know a few of you niggers are reading the Phenomenology, where are you in the book and what do you think?
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>>24686602
Yes, Hegel is very overrated. Fichte is very underrated. But in general idealism is a dead end because man is not first, or, the essence of man is to know that he is not first.
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This passage slays dogmatists. Hegel was such a rascal.

Brain-fibres and the like, looked at as forms of the being of mind, are already an imagined, a merely hypothetical actuality of mind — not its presented reality, not its felt, seen, in short not its true reality. If they are present to us, if they are seen, they are lifeless objects, and then no longer pass for the being of mind. But its objectivity proper must take an immediate, a sensuous form, so that in this objectivity qua lifeless — for the bone is lifeless so far as the lifeless is found in the living being itself — mind is established as actual.

The principle involved in this idea is that reason claims to be all thinghood, even thinghood of a purely objective kind. It is this, however, in conceptu: or, only this notion is the truth of reason; and the purer the notion itself is, the more silly an idea does it become, if its content does not take the shape of a notion (Begriff) but of a mere presentation or idea (Vorstellung)-if the self-superseding judgment is not taken with the consciousness of this its infinity, but is taken as a stable and permanent proposition, the subject and predicate of which hold good each on its own account, self fixed as self, thing as thing, while one has to be the other all the same.

Reason, essentially the notion, is immediately parted asunder into itself and its opposite, an opposition which just for that reason is immediately again superseded. But if it presents itself in this way as both itself and its opposite, and if it is held fast in the entirely isolated moment of this disintegration, reason is apprehended in an irrational form; and the purer the moments of this opposition are, the more glaring is the appearance of this content, which is either alone for consciousness, or alone expressed ingenuously by consciousness.
The “depth” which mind brings out from within, but carries no further than to make it a presentation (Vorstellung), and let it remain at this level — and the “ignorance” on the part of this consciousness as to what it really says, are the same kind of connexion of higher and lower which, in the case of the living being, nature naïvely expresses when it combines the organ of its highest fulfilment, the organ of generation, with the organ of urination. The infinite judgment qua infinite would be the fulfilment of life that comprehends itself, while the consciousness of the infinite judgment that remains at the level of presentation corresponds to urination.
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>>24686667
He is saying that materialist philosophy is like pissing and idealism is the other one.
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Hopefully it’ll be slow at work and I can finish my second reading of PoS. Then I’ll be an absolute knower, in layman’s terms, a mage. I swear he wrote the last section dense af to discourage people from skipping to the end.


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