Bonaventure’s metaphysics is superior to that of Aquinas insofar as it preserves the intrinsic intelligibility of being by refusing to sever ontology from its epistemic and exemplar causes. Against Thomistic abstractionism, Bonaventure argues that ens creatum cannot ground its own intelligibility through the mere actus essendi abstracted from sensibles, since abstraction yields at best a conceptual universal lacking the necessity required for certitude. In the Collationes in Hexaëmeron and the Itinerarium mentis in Deum, he insists that intelligibility presupposes participation in the rationes aeternae, such that every act of genuine intellection implicitly refers to an exemplar order in the divine intellect. This move avoids the latent nominalism implicit in Aquinas’ account, wherein being is treated as epistemically neutral and self-disclosing prior to illumination. By contrast, Bonaventure’s metaphysics secures the conditions of possibility for knowledge by grounding ontology, logic, and epistemology in a single explanatory principle: participated likeness to the first Truth. The result is a system in which necessity, universality, and intelligibility are not postulated but metaphysically explained.Moreover, Bonaventure’s rejection of the primacy of esse in favor of the transcendentals of goodness, light, and exemplarity yields a more coherent account of participation and causality. Aquinas’ analogy of being, while formally elegant, risks rendering the analogate opaque, since ipsum esse subsistens is posited as metaphysically primary without a corresponding account of how finite intellects can apprehend being as such without already presupposing illumination. Bonaventure avoids this circularity by articulating an analogy of light, in which being is intelligible only insofar as it is irradiated by divine exemplarity, thus preserving the hierarchical structure of reality without collapsing epistemic access into angelic intuition. His metaphysics therefore maintains a strict asymmetry between Creator and creature while still accounting for real participation, something Aquinas’ autonomous natural metaphysics struggles to secure without supplementary theological premises. In this sense, Bonaventure’s system is not merely more theologically integrated but more logically coherent, since it explicitly thematizes the conditions under which being can be known at all rather than tacitly assuming them.
>>25004858So why did the Thomists become dominant
Too bad you couldn't preserve any of that intrinsic intelligibility yourself, OP
>>25004858Word salad.
>>25004876>>25004953>>25004986Most intellectually minded /lit/ posters
>>25004950>So why did the Thomists become dominant"you should remember that he who writes for fools always finds a large public." - Arthur Schopenhauer
Hello! This a a group focused on music appreciation which means reading great texts on musical theory and history. I already have several in mindhttps://youtu.be/xp6jLTz446cThe materials I have chosen for this group focus on the western, classical tradition, including ballet and opera, but other materials are also welcome.This is what I suggest to start with: The Great Courses Lectures and textbook Music Appreciation which will give you a good grounding in basic musical literacy. You can download the textbook for free from Anna'a Archive, and you can watch the lectures for free on Kanopy, a streaming service for those with library cards. If for some reason you can't access Kanopy, lmk in the discord so I can set you up with an alternative free link to lectures https://discord.gg/XhFGx57VKmDown the road we will also enjoy operas and ballets. Input is always welcomehttps://youtu.be/0kgUMlvRUh0Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25004357This is a meme. Wagner wrote God tier leitmotifs but apart from those leitmotifs he sounds like a 1950's melodrama soundtrack
>>25004841You think that because you're not intelligent enough to distinguish between Wagner and Hollywood composers that were badly imitating Wagner.
>>25004857Yes they were imitating bad music. Both Schopenhauer and Nietzsche ended up rebuffing Wagner's friendship because they found his music corny. Which it is. No one in /classical/ or /lit/ will ever or can ever post a genuinely great piece of his except leitmotifs. What was a great poet and dramatist but people who love him for these qualities mistakenly ascribe the same quality to his music
>>25004879Neither Nietzsche or Schopenhauer identified 'corniness' in his music and this goes to the heart of the problem, you're projecting the associations of modern music onto Wagner that didn't exist in the 19th century. Schopenhauer disliked Wagner's music because he had an old fashioned musical taste, meaning that he would dislike most Late Romantic music. Nietzsche was obsessed with Wagner's music and critiqued it despite himself, but his critique had everything to do with formal qualities and nothing to do with 'corniness'. Nietzsche's statement that Wagner was only a great miniaturist, which I presume is the source for your criticism, is facile and refuted by the successful large scale structures in Wagner's music that Nietzsche himself appreciated. The Meistersinger overture or Siegfried's Funeral March are larger than the sum of their parts.Your musical taste has been irrevocably corrupted by modern music. I presume you also find Agathe's aria in Der Freischutz to be 'corny', maybe Liszt's Liebestraum, because Wagner just further developed qualities that were already present in classical music.
>>25005009Rather, Wagner's taste was corrupted by romanticism. I think a good example of this is that in the first opera of the ring cycle he has Wotan talking about his his he gave his eye to win Fricka because he loved her. Since he mentions the real reason Wotan gave his eye from mythology in a later opera, and he wrote then in reverse, be evidently replaced the idea with something that sounded more romantic to him but rather ridiculous in the context of barbarian gods. Wagner selects music very well to reflect his sentiments but his sentiments are enervating which is why Nietzsche correctly preferred Bizet. Now mind you, Bizet 's opera is just as melodramatic but it isn't sentimental romanticism and it isn't sentimental romanticism being grafted onto barbarian warrior deities. "Corny" is a later term derived from film but Wagner's conception of love is absolutely corny, even the love between Sigmund and Sieglinde is defended by Wotan in him saying she was trapped in a loveless marriage because she was a war captive and love is more important than marriage, even if it is between blood siblings, because love is above all laws. Thus within Wagner's work, the seed of corniness is carefully cultivated by him and indeed "da stieg ein Baum". Wagner is a genius and writes music perfectly for this but such sentiments are not impressive to me and saying his music is not corny is to suggest either these sentiments aren't, or that his music doesn't fit his sentimentsI have watched the entire ring cycle multiple times because it is a profound work, especially in its exploration of Wotan willing against his will, but nothing in it is musically memorable at all except the Leitmotifs. They are the only operas that don't leave me singing, that I have watched multiple times. Any other opera that doesn't etch music in my mind and make my tongue crave it as much as my ears, I won't bother with again. The only time Wagner sort of does this for me is at the beginning of Das Rheingold
Renaissance edition>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·>>24914151>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw>Mέγα τὸ ANE·https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg>Work in progress FAQhttps://rentry dot co/n8nrkoAll Classical languages are welcome.
>>25003291FAQ anon here, it's work in progress, we haven't had many if anyone at all ITT knowledgeable about classical Japanese to contribute, if you have some good textbooks to suggest in general I could add them
>>25003326I'm not very knowledgeable about Classical Japanese myself, but Haruo Shirane's textbooks seem to have a good reputation. There are three textbooks, used in tandem:>Classical Japanese: A Grammar>Classical Japanese: A Grammar (Exercise Answers and Tables)>Classical Japanese Reader and Essential Dictionary
>>25003540they do seem like a highly rated textbook and author, added
>>24994899I think it's about the same ballpark of difficulty, like when you take those terms as a whole "Late Latin" and "Koine", there's enough individual variation in the authors to say that although there is a somewhat recognizeable "innovation" so to speak where a good trained eye might say "yup this is Koine" because X, Y and Z, overall I'd say one could even write Attic : Koine ≈ Classical : Late (Latin)
>>25004831In my experience it has way more to do with sentence structure for the Classical : Late differences.But yeah, I could look at English written today vs 80 years ago and pretty confidently say which is which, and I wouldn’t really differentiate the two.
Animal New Year Edition>Old:>>24990171>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>>25004794I think all the stories and characters are beautiful
>>25004814That's like, your opinion mate.
>>25004704Would be pure kino. I have Volume 1, 2 and 4 right now since it was on a decent discount.
What are your favourite hard science fiction books?
>>25004975Either provide a working definition or face disappointment.
Is it worth a read?
*pshhh*get on my level...
>>25003050Deciding to fight a lost cause is romantic. Maybe the book could have been, too, if Vonnegut had had a soul.
>>25002851It's a one-sitting read. Vonnegut is like Goosebumps for adults.
>that part where a german lady is running with her baby during the fire bombing, trips and throws the baby into a burning building and never stands up again out of grief>that bit where he cries over a horse having a hangnailthose are the most memorable parts, there you go.t. read once 8 years ago.
>>25002851Reddithouse Five
>Henry Darger was a janitor in Chicago, and he pretty much kept to himself. He never mentioned that he was writing a book. But just after Darger's death, his landlord discovered his magnum opus, "The Story of the Vivian Girls, in What is Known as the Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion." The book is several volumes and 15,000 pages (single space!) of strange, fantastical adventure stories, accompanied by over 300 illustrations of children and semi-human creatures. Some of the illustrations take the form of collage, and the largest clocks in at 10 feet wide.Are you writing a secret masterwork, /lit/?
>>25004562Probably because society sees autistics as a burden.
>>25004562It's very very long iirc>>25004567I wonder if something similar like Sonichu will be treated as some hidden gem 50 years down the line
>>25004614sell it as a multi-volume set, ez-pz. they could set the price high and an army of the affluent would pony up to display it prominently in their condos
>>25004652just imagine how expensive it would be. probably the most expensive book every printed.
“I figure that it’s better to be a sucker who makes something than a wise guy who is too cautious to make anything at all.”Henry Darger
We have:>Mein Kampf (1925) Adolf Hitler>Insdustrial Society and its Future (1995) Theodore John KaczynskiWhat completes the trilogy?Is there something since ISaiF that could possibly be as notorious? Somehow I don't think anyone has made a more extreme statement, even with all the deranged murderers' manifestos.Was there something between WWII and the Internet age that could equally stand out?
>>25001071It's been considered too edgy and censored off of the /lit/ list so I say it still counts
>>25001017??
>>25000792based and REDpilled
>>25000405Turner Diaries?
>>25000405this guy has a good list of em.https://www.anarchonomicon.com/p/the-anarchonomicon-real-banned-bookif you don't feel like reading a blog then here's the image itself.
It really sucks and I'm tired of pretending it's good. It was astroturfed and shilled in the 1920s for some reason probably by some pack of elite pedophiles and no one has dared re-examine its status as a classic. There are a few masterful chapters among so much, well, blubber. This might be the masterpiece people claim it is if a solid two-thirds of it was completely excised. As it stands, it's not even close to being the best American novel ever written. Don't pretend to like something (if you don't) because everyone says you should.
>>25004860Huh? Waxing poetically about something better fit for an essay or journal is form without substance
>>25004860Look at the proliferation of genre fiction threads here. Of course plotfags are going to get upset about it. Look for codewords like “it doesn’t say/do anything” which means: “there’s no action like in my Game of Thrones books”. Then they seethe when you call them out. Just watch the replies to my post.
The book looks like 50% terms about whales and ships, looks like a very idiosyncratic read that people pretend to like. I would only start reading it when I run out of books that I'm actually interested in and not a book that is just interesting because "it's top 5 in a lot of lists"
>>25004862Lobotomized zoomer retard.
>>25004601It's funny how nothing in that post implicates Christians or atheists in any way, you just knew pedophile was somehow a dog-whistle that related to your LGBTpedo cult in some manner.
Holy shit this chud was right about everything
Marxoid moralism makes it the actual counter-reactionary luddite force, which even Lenin ultimately succumbed to despite token paroxysms of arbitrary violence-- contemporary left-accelerationists are one and all cowards cleaving to the same higher order Infantile Leftism for surreptitious spooked filled priors, and the dialectical gymnastic lengths these theorycels go to to shrink away from the ugly truths of the matter and bare necessity at play will only grow more comical with time.
>>25004775Get back to sucking liberalism dick. You have nothing more to bitch about.
>>25002658its not even dense and im a fucking moron
>>25004775based knower
he tries way too hard to be quotable
The dregs of society pool together like the dirty puddles they tromp. Dublin is their city. Dubh Linn. Black Pool. The name evokes images of heroin rolling on foil. Crack rocks are nestled in the bowls of hash pipes like the pearls of an oyster. And black depths have been plunged for them. As the Liffey runs through the city - it too black in the night - the words of Heraclitus run through my mind. Never the same river. Never the same man.
>>250041564u12 https://youtu.be/rBjtDg2RmaQ?si=EHRI7_jYQSbqkObc
>>25004159that’s half of what makes it cool
>>25004156I listen to "New Year's Day" every January 1st, it's a ritual of mine.
>>25004057The 1916 Rising, though admittedly this was produced by mostly non-Dubs who were merely acting on Dublin soil.
black tar is so good when you don't have some faggot in your ear telling you you're an addict and you're gonna die
Does literary fiction have any actual criteria beyond "not genre fiction"? And if it can be defined positively, does that not make it a genre itself?
>>25004874Literary fiction is a figment of the publishing industry, that's all.
>>25004874Literary fiction vs genre, art film vs movies, art music vs popular music, these will always be broad and imperfect but the point is art is sold on the artistry and genre/low-art works are sold on some non artistic appeal (a genre the viewer likes, titillation, utility, ect.)
post and rate
>>25001675I got recommended that Steve Coll last year. He's a good writer and it's an interesting subject but I really struggle to differentiate the Arabic and Russian names. I made it about a third of the way in and set it aside because I can't keep track of who's who.
>>25000786It's actual shit. I read the whole thing hoping it would get better but it never does. Most chapters are all the same: some guy goes to some other person's house. One or more of them go into hysterics like a woman, complaining and crying and generally throwing a fit. Rinse and repeat for 800 pages. But muh Grand Inquisitor! That was good but the way the book is hyped up I was expecting it all to be like that. Nope.
>>25000807Tell me how this is>>25001803Have you read Norman Cohn "Pursuit Of The Millennium", Hillaire Belloc "The Great Heresies", Alister McGrath "Heresy", Christopher Hill "The World Turned Upside Down" or Eamon Duffy "The Stripping Of The Altars"? If so, what did you think?
After this I'm diving head first into the Campaigns of Napoleon
>>25000719I'm starting the year with this
Did Strauss actually inspire neoconservatism, or is that just a baseless accusation?
>>25004894For Estonians it isn't anything. You're an ideal dick sucker. Most of you are already non-religious and orthodox dick sucking is the runner up. Nato and all. No revolts against the modern world, no traditions either.
>>25004910For someone who talks big, you sure are fixated on having men suck you off, like a fag.
>>25004938I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate something. We both know you can't. Of course I enjoy this. I can tell you're used to this by now.
>>25004957You haven't put forward anything to demonstrate. Like what, how you're misunderstanding the Epilogue passage, or the Marx lectures? I already told you. You fixated on a sentence in each and ignored the entire surrounding context. Everything else is just something you feverdreamed.
>>25004979I agree you are a waste.
start doing this
>>25003780Nah he's right, that "closer" is such gay bitch behavior. You wouldn't know what "T" is if it hit you in the ass
>>25003174what use is your dilator at a book reading club?
>>25002864I find it funny many people think these guys are low T just because they are smiling like basedjaks. Fun fact: Basedjaks are based on real people, and real people usually smile when they meet strangers and have fun.The real onions is being like that where there isn't a reason. Like a guy smiling that he is getting cucked, that he is being opened a literal can of onions with a robotic arm, that star wars movie dropped, etc.
>>25004908You must be a thrill to be around
>>25004908it’s an AI pic. but kanye was right when he said ‘when you see paintings in an old castle, people are not smiling cause it just wouldn't look as cool.’
Books by Philosophers or theologians who frame sex as a sacred act that contributes to the growth of life?
>>25002646We just recognize our perversions and wrestle with them. I think I agree with Schopenhauer on this that the sex drive is the kernel of the will to love. Or it plays some central role. Catholics spend a lot of time watching their thoughts, you need to when you do an examination of conscious.But I'd also admit, what I think is pretty obvious, that unrealistic purity culture exists and that will obviously lead to perversions and repression.I'd be curious what you think is perverted about me ? Or is it just strange ?
>>25004909*will to liveBut the typo reminds me of a thought, that love is essentially erotic, no matter the kind. I'm not sure if it's true but it's related.
>>25004909No its just some correlation i keep making with Catholics
>>24994940Diogenes>Didn't wrote anything>Didn't even existed, probablyCum
>>24995114Bottom, I want love not headbutt my way into having a hapa or semite kid. I have enough jewish ancestry for both of us.
