Post your charts and guides with recommendations and reading order, all cores welcome.
Any French lit charts?
>>24698896There's the 4chan archives, if you're able to use the archives at all. The popups are fucking maddening. Go to archived.moe, select only /lit/, search "chart thread" and have it show you only opening posts
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>>24698896The wiki was restored to a new site, which is linked in the sticky:https://lit.trainroll.xyz/wiki/Recommended_Reading/sub
>>24700956>ask for french literature chart>get chart>books are all in french with no recommended translationI mean I guess, sure
GIVE ME OTHER GOOD BOOKS ABOUT SCHIZOPHRENIC CONSPIRACY THEORIES PLS! ^_^
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>>24699954I did for awhile but everyone got a little hare brained after awhile
Cyclonopedia: Complicity with Anonymous MaterialsReza NegarestaniI can practically feel this rewiring my brain. What is the zone of neuronal interconnection but a vast Nemat-Space (the increasingly fractal cavities the writing often explores)? A bit like Chris Kraus and Borges collabing on Deleuze/Lovecraft slash fic. Borderline parody of academic theoritical writing as paranoid conspiracy, except that many of the conclusions Negarestani draws as he constructs his wild, strange connections (MENA archeological history, oil economics (petro-polytics), radical Islamic splinter groups, the war on terror in the just-pre-ISIS days) actually ring awfully true, metaphorically and actually. It's a strange sort of reading experience -- often I read through stretches without feeling like I'm taking in the dense prose, only to find my thoughts reshaped by things I didn't realize I'd understood in the coming days. Oddly subversive and highly unique.
Someone redpill me on this bitch. Is she just bad, or do her books have any literary merit whatsoever?
>>24700842>Also why is it always the nerdy ones like Kuang?It's because they're extremely repressed. Think about it: that psychotic striverism comes from a place of deep insecurity and maybe even self-hatred: a constant need to prove themselves, a perpetual need to be the best so people can't say (reveal the awful truth that) you're worthless. For a person like that, absolute debasement is a cathartic release, and the idea of simply being liberated from the entire stressful burnout rat race in favor of blind obedience, pleasure and ecstatic sensory experience is like an image of paradise.Or if you prefer to think of it another way these people are control freaks, but that kind of excessive self-control is a prison and so total loss of control is again cathartic, since it's the sum of your fears coming true. And sho on and sho on, as the greasy Slovenian would say.
>>24700860>since it's the sum of your fears coming trueSorry, didn't finish this sentence. Since it's the sum of your fears coming true *while also freeing you* is what it should say.
>>24700860This makes sense, but I really think the uninterrupted constant porn use has something to do with it. Imagine being a kid and reading "Second Fiddle In Boy Band Castrated And Turned Into Sex Pet By Cruel Fan" fanfiction before bed instead of Junie B. Jones
>>24700886Well, do you think the future cheerleaders, sorority girls and random bimbos don't? All that does to them is because they end up with decent self-esteem for various reasons so they just get laid and maybe ask the guy to spank them a little, or they get into black guys (rare, in spite of common fetishposting on parts of 4chan), or they enjoy deep throating a bit more than you'd expect someone without a clit in her pipe to do, or something else like that that's basically just a bit edgy. The ones with the fantasies about getting gangbanged raw by fifteen guys or absolutely shredded with a whip or having their limbs amputated so they aren't good for anything but getting fucked are all either nerdy overachievers or former fat girls.
>>24700901The future cheerleaders were just masturbating to the guys in One Direction, it was the nerdy girls writing fanfic about being their sex slaves where they’re also vampires.
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I‘ve been sitting in the car for half an hour instead of going to my next place because all I really want to do is jack off
Hoping someone will answer my post /x/ meets psychology books in the other thread
>>24700792Race is irrelevant, the real battle is in reversing offshoring or otherwise going from a service based to a manufacturing based economy. If that can be done we are saved, otherwise the West will rot.
>>24700206I oppose it because it gives my tax dollars to non-citizens
>>24700949You think it is inconsequential that the wife of the president is a Russian, and that the wife of the Vice-President is an Indian? While these heads of state themselves are still fully white and of European origin, the same will not account for the generation that comes after them. These mutts will want to change the law according to the taste of mulattoes and Chongs.
Have you ever seen a cute girl reading an actually good book in public?
Never. I'm 54
>>24698911I don't look at women; the power they have to destroy my life scares me.
>>24698911Yes, I let my wife borrow mine once.
>>24698911>Gravity's Rainbow>A good bookHa, lol. Anyone reading in public is doing it for performance. If you're homeless, it's acceptable.
>>24700871>he's never read under the shade of a tree in the park or in a hammock by the riverDenying yourself life's simplest pleasures due to insecurity and then acting conceited about your cowardly heart
So this is THE philosopher for our age?
>>24699700Philosophers don’t know shit about love. Also don’t mess with Muslim women unless you’re a Muslim, there’s no point really. If you need lady tips check out corey wayne. Philosophy and dating women are not the same.
>>24699718>Also don’t mess with Muslim women unless you’re a Muslim, there’s no point really.That's why I did it, I thought that, as it was impossible for me to achieve her love, confessing was an act of true selfless love, similar to how Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac. Then I knew true pain and regretted my decision. I was very young at the moment, now I'm way more down to earth, thanks partly to those troubling events.
>>24699700>I thought that confessing to a muslim girl was a "leap of faith" after having read Fear and Trembling.oof
>>24699718>ita pomo at da holidae inn>got no beliefs n shit baby wat you be doin>u u uh I be at a party at the holidae inn>I be sayin I'ma Muslim and rockin da kierk>what da kierk say?>nothin bitch he got punked by Descartes and Hegel>whew where dat party at?>not at the holidae inn>I got Carl Schmitt do>you do be a goytuber
>>24699700>I thought that confessing to a muslim girl was a "leap of faith" after having read Fear and Trembling.
The guys who wanted to make the Houellebecq porn just dropped one of the most interesting discussions on art that I've listened to in the last years.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTndTJEZer4&t=7657sPart of the video goes on to talk about their manifesto, which you can find here:>https://www.keepingitrealartcritics.com/wordpress/ennobling-portraiture/Overall, many debatable ideas, but many things relevant also for this board insofar as we talk about literature as art. These seem to me to be more or less like the only people trying to go beyond the woke/nazi duality of 2016, which, as you may have noticed, has grown very stale in the last years.What lies beyond empty culture wars? What form does power have today and how does it interact with art? And what purpuse does art serve in a world where institutions are crumbling and people with means are not interested in it?
>>24699508>What lies beyond empty culture wars?More emptiness, of course
>>24699556>I am a 19th century artist.You're objectively not, meaning whatever you create is necessarily affected, meaning it's automatically bad.
>>24699538KIRAC is /lit/.
>>24699574>19th century artist>speaks like an 11yo in a CoD lobby
>>24699574>I'm a 19th century artist>spergs out on an imageboardif you're going to larp as an aristocrat you need to act like an aristocrat
If every event has a sufficient reason, does that rule out free will?
>>24700280Can you explain the difference between having and not having free will?I don't understand how someone does not have free will.
>>24700911not having free will means you are not in control of your destiny, maybe your father wished for you to be a doctor but nah you want to be a dentist
>>24700936The latter sentence doesn't actually disprove free will
who do you think he's way too much credit from people? for me it's Dostoyevsky. he has a strange cohort of 18-22 year old zoomers who obsess over his work and treat him like the next coming of literary Christ. meanwhile, i rarely see older, well-read people discuss him beyond a favorable mention or comment.
>>24699509just dive into a Faulkner book without overthinking it. you can always consult reviews or lit guides or essays on a reread. no need for self-inflicted pressure.
>>24699509Try as I lay dying. I understood it and I'm a complete midwit compared to most of you guys. I am catching up, though. Slowly.
Trying to wrap my head around you guys complaining about booktok and reddit. Just don't go to those places? I don't respect their opinions at all, it has nothing to do with actual reading, it doesn't affect me. If you are mad at somebody doing something performative it's because you think it reflects on you as a reader, are you also reading performatively?
>>24700228I don't think their reading preferences or the way they read lit affects me. They're just annoying as shit and I'd like to beat them to death with a brick
>>24700228> Unironically defending r*dditorsYou need to go back.
>[T]he relation of the Elohist to the truth of his story still remains a far more passionate and definite one than is Homer’s relation. The Biblical narrator was obliged to write exactly what his belief in the truth of the tradition (or, from the rationalistic standpoint, his interest in the truth of it) demanded of him—in either case, his freedom in creative or representative imagination was severely limited; his activity was perforce reduced to composing an effective version of the pious tradition. What he produced, then, was not primarily oriented toward “realism” (if he succeeded in being realistic, it was merely a means, not an end); it was oriented toward truth. Woe to the man who did not believe it! One can perfectly well entertain historical doubts on the subject of the Trojan War or of Odysseus’ wanderings, and still, when reading Homer, feel precisely the effects he sought to produce; but without believing in Abraham’s sacrifice, it is impossible to put the narrative of it to the use for which it was written. Indeed, we must go even further. The Bible’s claim to truth is not only far more urgent than Homer’s, it is tyrannical—it excludes all other claims. The world of the Scripture stories is not satisfied with claiming to be a historically true reality—it insists that it is the only real world, is destined for autocracy. All other scenes, issues, and ordinances have no right to appear independently of it, and it is promised that all of them, the history of all mankind, will be given their due place within its frame, will be subordinated to it. The Scripture stories do not, like Homer’s, court our favor, they do not flatter us that they may please us and enchant us—they seek to subject us, and if we refuse to be subjected we are rebels.
>The Biblical narrator was obliged to write exactly what his belief in the truth of the traditionAbsolutely no reason to believe this. At all. The Torah has an authorship ascribed to Moses but the scribes who collated it surely knew better. Homer also believed he was divinely inspired, and unlike the authors of the Gospels didn’t have to use someone else’s name for the sake of credibility The reason the Greeks could question their religion is because when dealing with clear contradictions they just applied Occam’s razor (not the same as saying all accounts are false) instead of presuming satan was whispering doubts in their brainsPutting this all aside, both Homer and the Bible are outstanding literature and a must for anyone who loves great books. However the nonsense in the OP is still nonsense
>>24700831Homer focuses almost exclusively with external struggle and conflict. The Bible focuses mostly on internal struggle, mainly conscience, moral dilemma and faith. This is consistent with the cultures that produced each. The Greeks were imperialist, sportsmen, colonialist, explorers. The Jews at the time of writing the Bible were slaves or at least highly subjugated and denied any autonomy. The Iliad is meant to be an origin story for the Greek ethnicity, so to speak: it is defined as the people who fought Troy, that’s the significance of the catalog of ships. The same with the Bible: for Jews, so were not seafaring pirates and colonists, their homeland is much greater importance to their ethnic identity, and their origin deals with the origin of their captivity. Hence while Greeks tend to reflect on victory, Jews more do on defeat, and their great historical victory remains God saving them from captivity to a foreign nation. Because they are helpless in an external sense, they are concerned about what they can do or become internally that would relieve their external helplessness As modern man we are in circumstances really much closer to the Jews than the Greeks which is why the Bible seems to us less fantastic and more human, despite having miracles and fantasy. Because they are humans in it remind us of us; Ajax and Diomedes do not remind us of us but they reminded the Greeks of themselves
>>24700857>Absolutely no reason to believe this.The following parenthesis addressees that.
>>24700904There is no reason to believe that whatsoever. If the truth was any concern to him, as it was to, say, Livy, he would have added his own commentary that, “I cannot verify this, but it’s all we have so I include it without comment,” etc. That the scholars added no commentary on way or the other shows they were cleanly disinterested in truth, it was not a value that was relevant to them. They were concerned mainly with Jewishness and collating writings about Jewishness. They might have asked themselves “is this true, you reckon?” Or they might have thought, “so…this is the truth” or “this can’t be true”, but probably they didn’t think that much. They thought “is this Jewish, do you reckon?” “so…this is the Jewish” “this can’t be Jewish”They put mutually contrary accounts side-by-side with comment and were probably more concerned with keeping the right chronological order than truth
>>24700857You're conflating the tradition, which attributes mosaic authorship to the Torah, with the redactor of the Torah itself, which does not (at least, not for Genesis). But your perspective is what he terms "rationalistic" in that passage, i.e., that the authors of the biblical stories were serving their own interests rather than transmitting their own beliefs. But his point is basically that, whatever you think of the author, the effectiveness of the story upon the reader is entirely dependent on whether the reader accepts the story as true. This bears out in the story's foundational relationship with religious and legal precepts, its time scale (from creation to the eschaton), its intolerance, its omission of details that the reader must use his imagination to infer, its relative lack of harmonization of its sources.
/wng/Anon Ascends Alone EditionStubbed >>24695473>What is Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24700835rude
Its amazing how much my own Cultivation progression system has in common with "He Who Fights With Monsters" more videogame-like systemEven his plot point of High-gods wanting to expanding their influence isn't that different from what i had cookedThe thing is, i completely forgot the story existed before yesterday's thread. Its strange that i was influenced so much by the story when i fucking hate the MC.
>no one answered my question last thread>>24698053So is there really no shonen-esque webnovels? Huh, that's genuinely surprising.
>>24700926read literally any japanese light novel my guy
>>24700929>read literally any japanese light novel my guyWhich ones though? I'm new to japanese light novels.Also, I want to know if there's any of them on RoyalRoad.
Are there any books about dynasties and succession to thrones? Books heavily focused on plot, with involvement of other dynasties as well.I'm not sure what the exact term is.
Are you looking for history or fiction?
>>24697774Julian, by Gore Vidal. And Res Gestae, by Ammian, if you want the primary source
>>24698612Either would be fine
>>24699480Try the accursed kings series
>>24697781>>24699377>>24699691I'll check those out.
This is more like Dark Souls than The Book of the New Sun isSo why do people shill The Book of the New Sun when people are asking for "soulslike" books and books like "Elden Ring" instead of this?
>>24700939Most people have not read the Faerie Queene,
i'm reading it right now and can't believe how entertaining it is. every canto is plot twist upon plot twist, fights, monsters, sexy evil ladies, nefarious sorcerers etc etc. and yeah i get the dark souls thing, even down to people talking in self consciously retarded olde-tyme speech that isn't even how people spoketh backeth then
The first part of this book is a masterpiece. The rest: not so much.
>>24699946>he didn't enjoy Humbert going back to her hometown and in a fit of nostalgia>he didn't feel anything at Humbert meeting with pregnant Lolita and having to pretend he is her parental figure (the ULTIMATE and FINAL cuck)>he doesn't consider the Humbert-Quilty confrontation as one of the most iconic duels in all of literature, equal to Pechorin facing off Grushnitsky in the Caucasus and Kirilov facing off himself.It is so fucking over for ya>>24700082Nabokov's side characters just die off for no reason like Chinese factory workers. When he said he considered them galley slaves he meant he could throw them overboard whenever necessary for the smooth sailing of the plot.
>>24699946Is lit/ contractually required to always have at least one thread about this book going at all times?
>>24700665>galley slaves he meant he could throw them overboard whenever necessary for the smooth sailing of the plot.more so that he wrote non-chronologically so that events stay the same and characters cant "get out of control" and do something outside of his initial or larger plan for the plot, which is what he was responding to with that, and which i think was his intention with the galley proof pun. the surviving characters tend more to be minor once the book ends.>>24700692its a controversial book with two movie adaptations that also happens to be incredibly well written (by an author with controversial opinions known also for hiding things that only later generations find) and either shorter or the second shortest book in the top 10s of those top 100 lists. its only natural.
>>24700933Do you think these threads are used before the coomers jump on over to b to search for the cartoons, and then elsewhere?
>>24699946Why did they make her jewish in this edition?
Can you write better poetry than this? Give it a try.
My modest Balkan honest friendHas never wanted better lifeI wonder why the case with him wasThat his preference really was to die
>>24698804wise words
Cunt, cunt, cuntYou're mother was a cunt onceAnd probably still is
>>24698679>my fertile, brown field>fertilized by white seed>i hate the bulb that grows inside of me>writhing>twisting>from formlessness springs being>fermenting>and parasitic>i've already made>an appointment>at the>abortion clinic> -rupi kaur
>>24698810Unironically good
